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Please replace your old quit message with this one and help me take over the IRC world.) 2021-06-11T09:55:24Z amerigo joined #scheme 2021-06-11T10:05:40Z midow joined #scheme 2021-06-11T10:43:47Z TCZ joined #scheme 2021-06-11T10:47:07Z euandreh quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2021-06-11T10:49:18Z euandreh joined #scheme 2021-06-11T11:32:33Z sunarch_ joined #scheme 2021-06-11T11:32:43Z sunarch_ quit (Client Quit) 2021-06-11T11:34:48Z sunarch quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2021-06-11T11:58:51Z Duns_Scrotus joined #scheme 2021-06-11T12:01:41Z proteusguy-out is now known as proteus-guy 2021-06-11T12:21:50Z TCZ quit (Quit: CovidVaccine is people) 2021-06-11T13:00:29Z iv4nshm4k0v: DGASAU: You mean, that a lot of people has moved off Freenode to the new irc://irc.libera.chat/ network? 2021-06-11T13:16:35Z DGASAU: I mean a number of hot political talks on the same topic. 2021-06-11T13:16:59Z DGASAU: That was before I was told above moving. 2021-06-11T13:40:46Z iv4nshm4k0v: DGASAU: Re. "pressing problems in poor country", IME one of such problems is often enough "how do I move to a rich country?" Learning computer programming tends to be conductive to that. (Though so is studying theoretical physics.) 2021-06-11T13:48:31Z bchar_ joined #scheme 2021-06-11T13:48:35Z bchar_ is now known as bchar 2021-06-11T13:52:20Z DGASAU: iv4nshm4k0v: you need to survive before and while you move, most frequently it takes all your time. 2021-06-11T14:02:48Z lritter joined #scheme 2021-06-11T14:25:09Z amerigo quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2021-06-11T15:19:47Z amerigo joined #scheme 2021-06-11T15:43:15Z Zipheir: DGASAU: The Freenode drama is summarised in a number of places on the Web. As for #scheme, we registered an alternate channel on libera. 2021-06-11T15:44:10Z Zipheir: That became the main channel after this channel was seized by staff during the Great Channel Grab of May 26. 2021-06-11T15:45:01Z DGASAU: Zipheir: there was an old Soviet joke that it is very dangerous to go to the Sea for vacations. 2021-06-11T15:46:07Z DGASAU: Zipheir: you can dive in the sea while being secretary-general and go out as honourable pensioner :) 2021-06-11T15:46:21Z Zipheir: Hahah. 2021-06-11T15:47:08Z DGASAU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Removal 2021-06-11T15:51:18Z DGASAU: That gives only tiny part of the story, focusing on mostly irrelevant things, but well... That's Wikipedia. 2021-06-11T15:54:02Z DGASAU: (Other parts of the article are full of total bullshit, which is also typical for Wikipedia.) 2021-06-11T15:55:51Z iv4nshm4k0v: DGASAU: As long as you have the sources to back you up, you can expand the Wikipedia indefinitely. Though given that, arguably, about the only country in the world to have what can be called as recorded history is the US, I'm not sure that'd be of much help with this specific article. 2021-06-11T15:58:06Z DGASAU: iv4nshm4k0v: ever tried that? I did. 2021-06-11T15:58:18Z DGASAU: No, thanks, I'm not going to try that again. 2021-06-11T15:59:10Z DGASAU: Also, I know at least one case when some half-educated student of physics wanted to edit article on criminal law. 2021-06-11T16:00:31Z DGASAU: He had absolutely no idea that some words are terms and have very long story behind them, yet didn't hesitate to change or even remove them. 2021-06-11T16:04:27Z iv4nshm4k0v: DGASAU: Writing encyclopedic articles is a specific skillset that I've never had. As such, my edits were mainly of the technical kind (and I think I've translated a couple of stubs as well.) 2021-06-11T16:05:42Z DGASAU: iv4nshm4k0v: writing any articles requires some knowledge at the very least, which a lot of editors lack. 2021-06-11T16:06:29Z DGASAU: In addition, writing articles on history requires some coolness of mind, which is absent among wikipedia editors at all. 2021-06-11T16:08:23Z DGASAU: E.g. my friend who was banned for mentioning a number of terrorist acts of Dashnaktsutyun that demonstrated that said organization wasn't a lot better than its opponents. 2021-06-11T16:10:23Z iv4nshm4k0v: "Works for me." I haven't tried to quantify, but I read a lot of Wikipedia, and while it has its share of issues (care to suggest an encyclopedia that hasn't?), I'm not generally disappointed. 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(And before that, Freenode effectively "changed hands," prompting a number of chanops, as well as substantial fraction of regular users, to move to other networks.) 2021-06-17T20:16:44Z aquijoule__ joined #scheme 2021-06-17T20:20:39Z iv4nshm4k-v joined #scheme 2021-06-17T20:21:02Z iv4nshm4k0v has set mode +o iv4nshm4k-v 2021-06-17T20:23:49Z francogrex quit (Connection closed) 2021-06-17T20:46:19Z kaiwulf joined #scheme 2021-06-17T20:58:55Z izh_ joined #scheme 2021-06-17T21:32:33Z izh_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2021-06-17T21:33:24Z ahungry quit (Connection closed) 2021-06-17T22:09:49Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-17T22:41:47Z aquijoule__ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2021-06-17T23:05:43Z c7d9 joined #scheme 2021-06-17T23:08:39Z c7d9_ quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T00:10:14Z midow joined #scheme 2021-06-18T00:10:17Z m1dow quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T00:14:00Z m1dow joined #scheme 2021-06-18T00:15:02Z m1dow quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 2021-06-18T00:17:29Z midow quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T00:21:04Z sunarch_ quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T04:48:33Z kaiwulf quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T07:26:15Z iv4nshm4k-v quit (*.net *.split) 2021-06-18T07:32:03Z iv4nshm4k-v joined #scheme 2021-06-18T07:32:03Z *.freenode.net has set mode +o iv4nshm4k-v 2021-06-18T07:32:49Z clog quit (Quit: ^C) 2021-06-18T07:32:59Z clog joined #scheme 2021-06-18T09:51:05Z clog quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T10:10:31Z TCZ joined #scheme 2021-06-18T10:38:31Z pranavats joined #scheme 2021-06-18T10:49:10Z midow joined #scheme 2021-06-18T11:52:22Z sunarch joined #scheme 2021-06-18T11:55:03Z hive-mind joined #scheme 2021-06-18T12:31:56Z TCZ quit (Quit: ...) 2021-06-18T13:00:53Z sunarch quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-18T13:06:22Z francogrex joined #scheme 2021-06-18T13:06:29Z francogrex: hi 2021-06-18T13:07:30Z francogrex: hi is this still the official channel for scheme? 2021-06-18T13:08:01Z iv4nshm4k0v: So far as I know, there's /no/ official channels for the programming language Scheme. 2021-06-18T13:08:31Z francogrex: yes but there seems to have been a problem on freenode and all channels were sort of reset and lost many usuals 2021-06-18T13:08:34Z francogrex: recerntly 2021-06-18T13:12:49Z iv4nshm4k0v: francogrex: Yes. 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Not sure I like the idea. 2021-06-27T06:14:47Z lockywolf: I don't think you have to run non-free Javascript to use Github. 2021-06-27T06:15:12Z lockywolf: js makes using the website easier, but is generally optional 2021-06-27T06:15:55Z lockywolf: you'd have to tolerate page reloads, of course 2021-06-27T06:17:54Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: I was pretty certain that anything other than basic viewing was relying on .js. Though thankfully at least $ git clone (and $ git push) can work without. 2021-06-27T06:18:19Z lockywolf: I have js blocked with noscript, and it works 2021-06-27T06:18:46Z lockywolf: even in the modern web it is certainly possible to create good websites 2021-06-27T06:20:19Z iv4nshm4k0v: Nevertheless, the day I've found that, apparently, "Microsoft is FOSS", I've removed my (only ever) Microsoft (as in, Github) account. I certainly do not mind my software / patches appearing there (or anywhere else FTM), but I'm not going to be registered there. 2021-06-27T06:20:49Z iv4nshm4k0v is all in favor of responsible Web design 2021-06-27T06:21:55Z lockywolf: I love Microsoft 2021-06-27T06:24:31Z lockywolf: All their copyright-enriched gibberish from the 90s would sound naive to a degree of imbecility today, in the age of evil way more subtle and far harder to oppose. 2021-06-27T06:25:23Z lockywolf: otoh, would you prefer gitlab, iv4nshm4k0v ? 2021-06-27T06:27:00Z lockywolf: using gitlab was considered, and if a significant minority of people prefer it, I would stand in for opening a gitlab branch 2021-06-27T06:27:44Z iv4nshm4k0v: In general, yes. But I certainly not a fan of the Gitlab software relying on .js much more heavily, as Lynx, my primary browser, doesn't run it; and even when I use Chromium, I tend to uMatrix it off as well. 2021-06-27T06:28:25Z lockywolf: well, it's hard to be uncompromising these days 2021-06-27T06:30:44Z iv4nshm4k0v: I'm reminded of one guy on #coders on EFnet who claims to use HTTP(S) only rarely, sticking more to Gopher. 2021-06-27T06:33:54Z iv4nshm4k0v: Seriously, though, for entertainment, there's just so many Web resources that can be read / viewed without Javascript to last me several lifetimes. Project Gutenberg, Wikisource, RKO, Magnatune, as well as, to a degree, Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia. 2021-06-27T06:35:02Z lockywolf: well, live doesn't only consist of reading 2021-06-27T06:35:39Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: Life consists of, basically, what you choose it to consist of. 2021-06-27T06:37:12Z iv4nshm4k0v: For work, I more often have to use a soldering iron than the Web. This leaves my ISP, my hosting and DNS providers (though the former has a surprisingly Lynx-friendly site, and the latter offers an API for most of the tasks), as well as several charities, such as FSF, TNF and a few Patreon subscriptions. 2021-06-27T06:37:13Z lockywolf: well, you can choose a lower bound 2021-06-27T06:37:43Z iv4nshm4k0v: (Ah, also Bandcamp.) 2021-06-27T06:38:16Z lockywolf: Tamil Nadu Foundation ? 2021-06-27T06:38:58Z lockywolf: I have ~100 tabs for processing open in Firefox for the past ~3 years 2021-06-27T06:39:13Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: "The NetBSD". 2021-06-27T06:39:14Z lockywolf: I hardly can imagine having that in Links 2021-06-27T06:39:22Z lockywolf: ahh... 2021-06-27T06:40:54Z lockywolf: I didn't know it was still alive 2021-06-27T06:41:31Z lockywolf: but going back to the topic -- I am a very social being, and it's hard to avoid unfriendly technologies, as other people use them 2021-06-27T06:42:55Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: TNF started a fundraiser last year. 2021-06-27T06:43:36Z lockywolf: nice to know, but I wouldn't pay them anyway :( 2021-06-27T06:48:50Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: That can explain the difference: I'm rather asocial myself. I do not mind putting /some/ effort in socializing, but I tend to choose the venues according to my specific understanding of "better," and rarely because a specific person uses something or another. 2021-06-27T06:48:50Z iv4nshm4k0v: Say, I'd use Usenet and talk to whomever is there, but if the whole newsgroup decides to move to Discord, I'd say "well, it's been nice to talk with you, farewell." And move to another newsgroup. 2021-06-27T06:48:50Z iv4nshm4k0v: (Also I was somewhat surprised to find Riastradh as a major NetBSD contributor.) 2021-06-27T06:51:26Z lockywolf: That sounds contradictory :) 2021-06-27T06:53:00Z lockywolf: (⋀ "rarely because ... uses something" "move to Discord") 2021-06-27T06:53:35Z lockywolf: I am missing the scope of NetBSD nowadays. 2021-06-27T06:53:56Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: Also, there's http://indieweb.org/POSSE . Basically: a. make your own site; b. make it friendly to all kind of users (non-JS, federated, etc., etc.); c. post there first, /but also/ re-post on unfriendly sites. 2021-06-27T06:54:27Z lockywolf: I have seen them. I actually am trying to do that. 2021-06-27T06:54:37Z lockywolf: But alas, that is not always possible. 2021-06-27T06:54:49Z lockywolf: and PESOS is hard to do 2021-06-27T06:55:38Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: Like I've said, I tend to choose the venues according to my specific understanding of "better." Discord is not better, so if a community I'm part of decides to move there, that doesn't mean I start using Discord, or thinking of it better. It means that I stop being part of that community. 2021-06-27T06:59:13Z iv4nshm4k0v: It can be said that to me, the communities I'm part of are defined not by their respective membership, but by the technologies they use. So I'm part of the IRC community, as well as Usenet and mailing list ones; and I've used to be part of XMPP community as well. But I'm not part of Discord, Slack, Twitter or Github communities, and have no plans to be. 2021-06-27T06:59:54Z lockywolf: (1) gets POSSE, (2) is ignored, (3) is indexed for search, (4) gets PESOS, (5) is deleted 2021-06-27T07:00:42Z lockywolf: I understand your point, but I don't support it. For me, knowledge is more important that technology, and knowledge lies largely within people. 2021-06-27T07:01:17Z lockywolf: I tend to see Slack and Twitter as hostile alien worlds. 2021-06-27T07:01:39Z lockywolf: Which means that those are hiding treasures, but may hurt you when exploring. 2021-06-27T07:07:10Z iv4nshm4k0v: I'd say there's too much knowledge in the world to have it all. I've used to dabble in geosciences / remote sensing of environment. When I've found that I'm not comfortable with the tech the people in there use, I've switched to electronic engineering. (Think of, say, news:sci.electronics.design ; I'm not aware of a geosciences newsgroup with comparable activity.) 2021-06-27T07:10:30Z lockywolf: it's too big of a luxury 2021-06-27T07:13:10Z lockywolf: for evil to prevail, good people just need to abstain 2021-06-27T07:15:45Z iv4nshm4k0v: lockywolf: Also, I'm not sure I understand the issues you've run with POSSE; could you please clarify? 2021-06-27T07:17:10Z lockywolf: well, writing exporters is always easier than writing importers 2021-06-27T07:17:42Z lockywolf: especially if mutation is desired 2021-06-27T07:18:03Z lockywolf: posse is fibe 2021-06-27T07:18:07Z lockywolf: fine 2021-06-27T07:18:21Z lockywolf: pesos is harder 2021-06-27T07:18:21Z skapata quit (Connection closed) 2021-06-27T11:47:39Z skapata joined #scheme 2021-06-27T14:04:25Z SirDayBat quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-27T14:53:51Z lritter joined #scheme 2021-06-27T15:27:25Z GIANTWORLDKEEPER quit (Quit: EXIT) 2021-06-27T16:49:28Z supercoven joined #scheme 2021-06-27T17:02:47Z pranavats quit (Z-lined) 2021-06-27T19:58:26Z xsperry quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-27T21:34:10Z cds74 quit (Quit: Connection closed) 2021-06-27T22:10:22Z skapata quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-27T22:12:37Z skapata joined #scheme 2021-06-27T22:47:16Z lockywolf quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) 2021-06-27T22:49:04Z lockywolf joined #scheme 2021-06-27T23:03:02Z MarredHen quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-27T23:42:31Z skapata quit (Connection closed) 2021-06-27T23:43:42Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-27T23:53:11Z c7d9 joined #scheme 2021-06-27T23:56:07Z c7d9_ quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-28T02:12:27Z ahungry joined #scheme 2021-06-28T05:18:29Z MarredHen joined #scheme 2021-06-28T05:21:05Z ahungry quit (Connection closed) 2021-06-28T05:53:26Z xsperry joined #scheme 2021-06-28T07:11:39Z xsperry quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-28T07:32:26Z xsperry joined #scheme 2021-06-28T08:37:54Z supercoven quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-28T10:33:48Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 2021-06-28T10:35:44Z skapata joined #scheme 2021-06-28T12:20:55Z lritter joined #scheme 2021-06-28T12:36:33Z ahungry joined #scheme 2021-06-28T12:45:38Z toorevitimirp joined #scheme 2021-06-28T12:46:55Z toorevitimirp quit (Quit: Page closed) 2021-06-28T12:47:24Z toorevitimirp joined #scheme 2021-06-28T13:17:09Z toorevitimirp: Hi, everyone, I am implementing a r5rs parser for study. 2021-06-28T13:17:32Z toorevitimirp: Inferring from the definition on r5rs 7.1.1, something like +whatever, @whatever can't be identifiers. However, I tried some r5rs implementations, like plt-r5rs of racket, it seems those tokens above can be variable names. 2021-06-28T13:18:02Z toorevitimirp: Can hose tokens above be identifiers? Why most r5rs implementations are not compatible with r5rs standard? Can anyone explain this to me? thanks a lot. 2021-06-28T13:27:12Z iv4nshm4k0v: toorevitimirp: I'm somewhat rusty on that specific point, but note that, in a way, one of the questions that a programming language standard is ought to answer is: "what can I, as a programmer, use?" Or, conversely: "what I, as an implementor, must implement?" 2021-06-28T13:27:12Z iv4nshm4k0v: If the standard says that you, as a programmer, cannot rely on +whatever being an acceptable identifier, it only means that implementors are under no obligation to make such identifiers available to you. It doesn't necessarily means that implementors are /forbidden/ from supporting those identifiers. 2021-06-28T13:33:39Z iv4nshm4k0v: More generally, standards are ought to tell a. what's permitted; b. what's NOT permitted. A standard could also point to things that are up to implementors to decide (such as the exact behavior for the cases labelled "it is an error" in R5RS), but such a list cannot in practice be exhaustive. 2021-06-28T13:59:51Z toorevitimirp: thanks for your explanation. Here is the identifier definition of r5rs: https://ibb.co/zf4F6gT. From these BNF rules, I think tokens like @whatever are not acceptable identifiers. Am I right? 2021-06-28T14:08:00Z iv4nshm4k0v: I'd call them "non-standard." I believe that in this case, the idea was to allow for a way for implementations to quickly discern numbers from non-numbers (such as +foo vs. +1) while conforming to the standard. 2021-06-28T14:13:11Z toorevitimirp: I think I almost understand your point. Sincerely thank you. 2021-06-28T14:13:49Z iv4nshm4k0v: ... Curiously enough, this consideration seem to be there in R3RS already. So far as I can tell, however, other Lisp-family languages tend to be more lax on this point. 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"Scheme scripts"; overall, my interest in Scheme is rather limited at this point. I'd like to make some use of the SLIB color spaces module, I'm somewhat interested in Meep, as well as Jacal (I've used Maxima to some success so far, but it certainly feels that Jacal has smaller, perhaps easier to understand codebase.) 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