2018-09-01T00:01:08Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-01T00:24:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:25:30Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T00:28:03Z outtabwz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:28:16Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-01T00:35:32Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-01T00:36:48Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T00:37:25Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:40:42Z yawkat15 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:45:29Z yawkat15 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T00:48:15Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T00:53:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:53:32Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-01T00:54:48Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T00:54:54Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T00:58:07Z klovett quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T00:58:16Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:03:36Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T01:04:15Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:05:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T01:07:10Z ozzloy quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-01T01:07:59Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:07:59Z ozzloy quit (Changing host)
2018-09-01T01:07:59Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:08:34Z Zipheir quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-01T01:08:49Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:14:44Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T01:15:01Z keep_learning quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T01:17:41Z outtabwz left #scheme
2018-09-01T01:42:30Z logicmoo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T01:44:17Z phax joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:49:28Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-01T01:57:08Z joast quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-01T01:57:41Z joast joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:01:14Z klovett_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T02:01:20Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:01:42Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:20:59Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:23:04Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T02:24:48Z phax quit (Quit: phax)
2018-09-01T02:31:12Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T02:32:48Z klovett quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T02:33:29Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:45:31Z keep_learning joined #scheme
2018-09-01T02:48:49Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-01T02:52:22Z keep_learning quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T02:59:21Z keep_learning joined #scheme
2018-09-01T03:09:26Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-01T03:43:50Z kashike19 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T03:44:50Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T03:46:39Z kashike19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T03:48:01Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-01T04:04:23Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T04:17:44Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-01T04:36:37Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T04:55:21Z zmt00 quit (Quit: Gone.)
2018-09-01T05:08:24Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T05:10:18Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-01T05:20:52Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T05:21:37Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T06:29:09Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-01T06:34:35Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T06:34:52Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T06:35:24Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T06:36:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T06:36:11Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T06:51:23Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-01T07:12:05Z pj2 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T07:16:50Z pj2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T08:20:47Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T08:26:17Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T08:26:23Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T08:35:41Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T08:35:44Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T08:37:52Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-01T08:52:07Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T08:52:14Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T08:53:26Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:01:16Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T09:03:56Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:04:22Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T09:07:21Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:09:36Z apollo138 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:10:46Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:10:49Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T09:14:20Z apollo138 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T09:50:19Z rubdos0 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:53:12Z annieslmaos joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:55:16Z r0kc4t joined #scheme
2018-09-01T09:56:07Z annieslmaos quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T09:58:54Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-01T09:59:27Z rubdos0 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T10:02:27Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T10:04:14Z proksi[m] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T10:04:15Z ManDay[m] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T10:04:18Z DeeEff quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:04:20Z willghatch[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:04:20Z remix2000[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:04:21Z mbakke quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T10:04:24Z spectrumgomas[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:04:24Z ArthurAGleckler[ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T10:04:25Z Gnuxie[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:04:25Z plll[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:06:27Z Kkiro quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T10:06:31Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-01T10:06:57Z dpk quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T10:09:14Z dpk joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:09:26Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:09:26Z ManDay[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:09:26Z Kkiro quit (Changing host)
2018-09-01T10:09:26Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:16:01Z cats18 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:17:27Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:19:54Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:20:45Z cats18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T10:21:44Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:21:47Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T10:23:48Z saki quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T10:25:55Z spectrumgomas[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:00Z mbakke joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:00Z Gnuxie[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:00Z proksi[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:01Z remix2000[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:01Z plll[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:01Z willghatch[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:02Z DeeEff joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:26:07Z ArthurAGleckler[ joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:33:26Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:38:30Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:41:28Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T10:41:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-01T10:47:10Z wasamasa: https://github.com/nickdrozd/reazon
2018-09-01T11:17:58Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:28:38Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:28:45Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T11:29:38Z Atlas15 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:30:02Z Atlas15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T11:34:03Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T11:37:43Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:37:47Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T11:47:56Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:50:36Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:52:23Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T11:52:27Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-01T11:55:33Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:02:40Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-01T12:03:24Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:03:33Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:05:35Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:14:51Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-01T12:15:22Z outtabwz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:21:35Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:25:09Z outtabwz left #scheme
2018-09-01T12:29:11Z ngz` joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:29:30Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T12:30:16Z simpleauthority2 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:33:12Z simpleauthority2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T12:35:10Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:37:00Z ngz` quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-01T12:37:29Z amz3: friendly reminder that we are trying to have room at fosdem 2019
2018-09-01T12:37:36Z amz3: please add idea to that page http://community.schemewiki.org/?FOSDEM2019
2018-09-01T12:37:39Z amz3: not registration required
2018-09-01T12:37:51Z Guest65718 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:42:40Z Sveta27 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:43:25Z Sveta27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T12:48:12Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T12:51:40Z Chew24 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T12:52:00Z Chew24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T12:52:58Z Guest65718 quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-01T12:53:47Z ngz` joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:02:16Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:08:34Z hpt joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:09:17Z hpt quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T13:12:14Z Madkiss2 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:12:54Z Madkiss2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T13:14:13Z saki quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T13:20:06Z ngz` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T13:25:11Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:30:22Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T13:32:12Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:34:46Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:35:05Z shlemas joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:35:43Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:37:58Z lyf-phone quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T13:37:59Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:38:24Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:40:36Z lyf-phone quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T13:40:55Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:44:49Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T13:49:21Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-01T13:56:13Z lyf-phone quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T13:56:34Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:00:41Z shlemas quit (Quit: shlemas)
2018-09-01T14:00:56Z lyf-phone quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-01T14:02:25Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:15:10Z lyf-phone quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T14:16:53Z Satou joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:17:22Z Satou quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T14:19:12Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T14:19:35Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:21:20Z lyf-phone quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T14:27:16Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:30:32Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-01T14:32:40Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-01T15:07:50Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-01T15:08:11Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-01T15:19:24Z light2yellow quit (Quit: gtg)
2018-09-01T15:30:19Z saki quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-01T15:31:46Z aykut26 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T15:34:33Z aykut26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T15:34:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T15:58:31Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-01T16:02:27Z sethalves quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T16:05:52Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-01T16:41:43Z saki quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T16:44:41Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:07:45Z asafniv joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:08:28Z asafniv quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T17:16:36Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T17:16:47Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T17:18:07Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:32:25Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T17:32:41Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:33:12Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T17:40:06Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:41:03Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T17:41:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:41:49Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T17:42:33Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T17:48:11Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:48:14Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:54:04Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T17:54:06Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-01T17:54:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:54:52Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-01T17:56:23Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:56:31Z ecraven quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:31Z ft quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:31Z duncanm quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:32Z weltung quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:32Z exit70 quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:32Z emma quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-01T17:56:48Z emma joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:57:00Z duncanm joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:57:01Z rudybot: la la la
2018-09-01T17:57:07Z weltung joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:57:08Z ft joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:57:22Z exit70 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:57:36Z emma quit (Changing host)
2018-09-01T17:57:36Z emma joined #scheme
2018-09-01T17:59:27Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T18:00:10Z exit70 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-01T18:00:11Z exit70 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:00:11Z exit70 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-01T18:00:11Z exit70 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:01:14Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:01:56Z ecraven joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:04:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:20:08Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T18:24:35Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-01T18:26:16Z amz3: rudybot: brave new scheme
2018-09-01T18:26:22Z rudybot: amz3: there is PAIP, which is Common Lisp, but I think it's not hard to adopt it for Scheme if you're brave
2018-09-01T18:30:26Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:36:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:37:54Z Zipheir: amz3: I found you on Mastodon :)
2018-09-01T18:40:30Z Zipheir: amz3: The platform seems to have a nice community, but damn, I realize how much IRC spoils you for social media.
2018-09-01T18:46:58Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:48:50Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-01T18:50:37Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T19:00:12Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:02:51Z amz3: Zipheir: the show must go on nonetheless
2018-09-01T19:05:30Z groovy2shoes quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T19:07:38Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T19:07:53Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:10:27Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:11:14Z emma is now known as em
2018-09-01T19:17:22Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:17:55Z DeeEff quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:17:55Z Gnuxie[m] quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T19:17:59Z remix2000[m] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T19:18:01Z mbakke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:18:04Z plll[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:18:04Z spectrumgomas[m] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T19:18:07Z ArthurAGleckler[ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:18:09Z willghatch[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:18:09Z ManDay[m] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T19:18:11Z proksi[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:18:28Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:24:24Z ManDay[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:25:00Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:25:03Z wasamasa: so tell me, which of the two is it
2018-09-01T19:25:17Z wasamasa: why are there even two amz3
2018-09-01T19:25:19Z elly: foof: I have written a macro which is apparently erroneous in such a way that chibi emits this: ERROR in caar on line 5 of file /usr/local/share/chibi/init-7.scm: car: not a pair: #f
2018-09-01T19:25:24Z elly: is there a good way to debug this?
2018-09-01T19:25:30Z ft quit (Quit: Reconnecting)
2018-09-01T19:25:38Z ft joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:25:39Z ManDay[m] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T19:27:08Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T19:30:17Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T19:30:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:33:44Z ManDay[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:36:18Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T19:55:36Z willghatch[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:37Z Gnuxie[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:37Z remix2000[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:37Z mbakke joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:38Z proksi[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:40Z spectrumgomas[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:44Z ArthurAGleckler[ joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:44Z plll[m] joined #scheme
2018-09-01T19:55:47Z DeeEff joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:01:20Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:02:34Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:07:25Z wigust- quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-01T20:07:49Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T20:08:50Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:18:16Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T20:24:05Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-01T20:29:32Z Shibe28 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:30:03Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T20:30:55Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:34:19Z Shibe28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T20:40:43Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T20:41:14Z ngz` joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:42:53Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-01T20:45:12Z doaks joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:48:02Z doaks quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T20:49:13Z ngz` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-01T20:50:28Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:50:40Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T20:51:44Z ngz` joined #scheme
2018-09-01T20:52:27Z ngz` is now known as ngz
2018-09-01T20:55:34Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-01T20:58:16Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-01T21:16:05Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-01T21:17:12Z ngz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T21:17:44Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-01T21:19:02Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-01T21:22:27Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T21:25:38Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-01T21:28:44Z ngz quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-01T21:32:33Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T21:50:28Z shlemas joined #scheme
2018-09-01T22:07:58Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T22:11:39Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-01T22:28:42Z gr33n7007h joined #scheme
2018-09-01T22:29:02Z gr33n7007h quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T22:46:46Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:00:01Z klovett quit
2018-09-01T23:02:00Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T23:02:18Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-01T23:03:34Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:07:36Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-01T23:09:26Z MetaNova7 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:10:02Z MetaNova7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-01T23:13:14Z shlemas quit (Quit: shlemas)
2018-09-01T23:14:58Z _sfiguser joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:15:19Z _sfiguser: hello all, i want to start scheme, which implementation should i use  ?
2018-09-01T23:15:22Z _sfiguser: which compiler ?
2018-09-01T23:15:35Z _sfiguser: i mean what is a common implementation used? racket ?
2018-09-01T23:21:25Z aeth: In order of popularity it's probably Racket then Guile then Chicken with the rest significantly smaller in community size.
2018-09-01T23:22:47Z aeth: Their channels are #racket #guile #chicken
2018-09-01T23:23:19Z aeth: They're about the same size. Actually, at the moment the channel #guile is slightly larger than #racket (but the Racket community in general is probably still larger)
2018-09-01T23:24:45Z _sfiguser: thanks aeth
2018-09-01T23:29:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:37:12Z WSPR11 joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:40:03Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-01T23:40:46Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-01T23:41:15Z WSPR11 quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-01T23:45:17Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-01T23:49:47Z Menche joined #scheme
2018-09-01T23:56:11Z Menche: the link to the r7rs spec on www.scheme-reports.org 404s now
2018-09-01T23:56:22Z Menche: had to poke around that bitbucket repo to find the pdf
2018-09-02T00:13:10Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:14:56Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:15:24Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T00:22:52Z outtabwz joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:27:33Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:28:27Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T00:30:54Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:37:16Z this joined #scheme
2018-09-02T00:40:19Z this quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T00:53:10Z siraben: Hey Zipheir
2018-09-02T00:55:16Z Zipheir: What's up siraben?
2018-09-02T00:55:28Z siraben: Worked a bit more on my monadic parser
2018-09-02T00:55:34Z siraben: https://github.com/siraben/monadic-parsing
2018-09-02T00:55:37Z siraben: Now parses BNF
2018-09-02T00:55:49Z Zipheir: Cool stuff!
2018-09-02T00:56:02Z siraben: Yeah, the code is very conscise
2018-09-02T00:56:07Z siraben: concise*
2018-09-02T00:56:23Z Zipheir: Monadic parsing is pretty fantastic.
2018-09-02T00:56:37Z siraben: I think it was Sussman that said in SICP that the reader and printer are usually the most complex parts of a Scheme system
2018-09-02T00:56:54Z siraben: But now it doesn't seem the case :)
2018-09-02T00:57:05Z Zipheir: I think he meant the whole I/O stack.
2018-09-02T00:57:12Z siraben: Oh yeah
2018-09-02T00:57:45Z Zipheir: Because given the I/O primitives of whatever language you're implementing Scheme in, read and write are fairly easy.
2018-09-02T00:58:41Z Zipheir: I wonder if there are any Schemes making use of monads.
2018-09-02T00:58:42Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T00:59:23Z siraben: Hmm how would I implement monad transformers
2018-09-02T00:59:45Z siraben: Zipheir: git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/guix/monads.scm
2018-09-02T00:59:50Z Zipheir: That would be a fun project.
2018-09-02T00:59:57Z siraben: Guix is using monads.
2018-09-02T01:00:02Z Zipheir: Ah, cool.
2018-09-02T01:00:41Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T01:00:43Z hive-mind quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-02T01:00:45Z siraben: (mapm %state-monad (lift1 1+ %state-monad) '(0 1 2)) => (1 2 3)
2018-09-02T01:00:55Z siraben: Pretty cool
2018-09-02T01:01:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:01:08Z siraben: I should learn how to use modules
2018-09-02T01:01:09Z Zipheir: I believe jcowan suggested that there might be a monad and monoid SRFI in the works.
2018-09-02T01:01:30Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T01:02:21Z siraben: Oh yeah, I just remembered a fun project I did recently was a mandelbrot set plotter
2018-09-02T01:02:37Z Zipheir: Applicative is another one I'd like to have access to in Scheme.
2018-09-02T01:02:45Z siraben: What are applicatives?
2018-09-02T01:03:03Z _sfiguser: siraben, if  iwant to learn about developing languages... should i learn compilers ?
2018-09-02T01:03:05Z Zipheir: Applicative functors as in haskell.
2018-09-02T01:03:07Z _sfiguser: like compilers book ?
2018-09-02T01:04:13Z siraben: _sfiguser: maybe start by writing a Scheme?
2018-09-02T01:04:27Z siraben: Zipheir: Ah, I'm not familiar with those yet.
2018-09-02T01:04:29Z _sfiguser: siraben, are the two things bounded ?
2018-09-02T01:04:35Z siraben: Zipheir: mandelbrot set plotter: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/23881bc1/
2018-09-02T01:04:56Z siraben: I was rolling my own complex numbers then I found out Guile had them, which made it much faster
2018-09-02T01:05:04Z siraben: _sfiguser: What do you mean, bounded?
2018-09-02T01:05:38Z Zipheir: siraben: Nice work!
2018-09-02T01:05:44Z _sfiguser: siraben, i mean learning scheme i also learn things about compiler theory
2018-09-02T01:05:44Z _sfiguser: ?
2018-09-02T01:05:52Z siraben: Depends on the resource
2018-09-02T01:05:59Z siraben: SICP had some stuff on compilers.
2018-09-02T01:06:29Z siraben: I wonder if there's a book on just writing compilers with functional languages.
2018-09-02T01:06:35Z Zipheir: _sfiguser: Many books on compiler design are quite dense.
2018-09-02T01:07:01Z siraben: Zipheir: How would I generate a .png file or some graphical output?
2018-09-02T01:07:11Z ski: applicative functors (sometimes aka "idioms") is a weaker concept than monads : you can do less, only knowing you have an applicative, than with a monad. however, the less powerful interface means that there's (potentially= more opportunity for improved efficiency
2018-09-02T01:07:14Z _sfiguser: siraben, do you use racket ?
2018-09-02T01:07:25Z siraben: _sfiguser: Not currently.
2018-09-02T01:07:31Z Zipheir: _sfiguser: If you already know Scheme and a bit of C, check out http://matt.might.net/articles/compiling-scheme-to-c/ for sure.
2018-09-02T01:07:34Z gwatt: https://prog21.dadgum.com/30.html
2018-09-02T01:07:44Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:07:49Z ski: (i could say a little bit more, in case you're curious)
2018-09-02T01:08:02Z Zipheir: ski: Well put :)
2018-09-02T01:08:39Z Zipheir: siraben: You could probably hack up a bitmap and output it with a PNG library pretty easily.
2018-09-02T01:09:35Z siraben: Zipheir: Hmm.  I'll try and see.
2018-09-02T01:09:37Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:10:28Z Zipheir: siraben: Where is make-rectangular defined?
2018-09-02T01:10:37Z siraben: Built in
2018-09-02T01:10:41Z siraben: Guile
2018-09-02T01:10:46Z Zipheir: Yeah, I thought so.
2018-09-02T01:11:11Z Zipheir: It's vanilla Scheme, modulo that procedure.
2018-09-02T01:11:39Z siraben: Curiously enough, there were some occasions where the rational numbers weren't diverging
2018-09-02T01:11:54Z siraben: And the values of the numerator and denominator were getting really big
2018-09-02T01:12:09Z siraben: So that's why I hack it with floats coercions.
2018-09-02T01:13:41Z siraben: Zipheir: Example output: https://paste.debian.net/1040368/
2018-09-02T01:13:45Z siraben: So pretty.
2018-09-02T01:15:11Z Zipheir: siraben: Just ran it in guile with the squircle. Very nice output.
2018-09-02T01:16:33Z siraben: Yeah, pretty happy with the plot-grid procedure.
2018-09-02T01:16:51Z siraben: I want to learn how to do raytracing, but haven't found a good resource yet.
2018-09-02T01:17:20Z siraben: Toy raytracers seem hard to come by.
2018-09-02T01:17:23Z qu1j0t3: you could try the Whitted and Kajiya classic papers.
2018-09-02T01:17:35Z qu1j0t3: siraben: I don't think they're hard to come by... erryone writes one at some point. :)
2018-09-02T01:17:43Z siraben: Well, except for some IOCCC programs from what I've seen
2018-09-02T01:17:48Z siraben: I should do more digging
2018-09-02T01:17:52Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Which papers?
2018-09-02T01:17:53Z qu1j0t3: no, there's lots of toy ones out there.
2018-09-02T01:18:05Z siraben: For instance?
2018-09-02T01:18:09Z qu1j0t3: siraben: Whitted and Kajiya wrote some of the first papers on it. If i recall, they're pretty clear.
2018-09-02T01:18:43Z qu1j0t3: you can also check out Alvy Ray Smith
2018-09-02T01:19:06Z hive-mind joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:19:36Z siraben: What about raytracers in a functional language?
2018-09-02T01:19:38Z siraben: Perhaps Scheme?
2018-09-02T01:19:48Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:20:25Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:20:27Z Zipheir: Sounds like another fun project.
2018-09-02T01:20:58Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Do you have a direct link to the paper?  I can't seem to find it.
2018-09-02T01:21:15Z siraben: Zipheir: :)
2018-09-02T01:21:40Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: How much optics background is necessary to write something like that?
2018-09-02T01:22:42Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: very little to get started. it's just basic vector math, dot products, cross products, not much more
2018-09-02T01:23:10Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: every feature you add, increases the math level slightly, so you can take it as far as you want
2018-09-02T01:23:50Z qu1j0t3: like, the very first objective might be a plane with checkerboard. then a sphere. then Lambertian lighting, then specular lighting, then shadows, and on and on
2018-09-02T01:23:55Z anataex joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:24:55Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Very interesting.
2018-09-02T01:24:57Z qu1j0t3: ray/sphere intersection means solving a quadratic, iirc. you can add more primitives, matrix transformations, etc
2018-09-02T01:25:05Z siraben: Hmm, I can't find the paper.
2018-09-02T01:25:12Z qu1j0t3: siraben: odd. i'll see what i can dig up
2018-09-02T01:25:34Z qu1j0t3: siraben: i started with those papers, back in the 80s when i worked on ray tracing. i had only high school math so i am sure you'll be fine for a good while.
2018-09-02T01:25:35Z siraben: Is it https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/presentation/e581/0a54fd8adefa5e9f18b2b988a5faa5b07f62.pdf ?
2018-09-02T01:25:53Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Yeah I learned basic vector math last year
2018-09-02T01:25:57Z siraben: dot product, cross product etc.
2018-09-02T01:26:14Z qu1j0t3: yeah you'll exercise all that very hard.
2018-09-02T01:26:25Z siraben: Oops that's not the paper
2018-09-02T01:26:42Z siraben: Yeah it's strangely hard to find.
2018-09-02T01:26:52Z anataex quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T01:27:28Z siraben: It looks cool as well, would be a very satisfying thing to see.
2018-09-02T01:27:42Z siraben: ^rendering a 3D scene, that is.
2018-09-02T01:27:58Z Zipheir: Some of the results from even the toy raytracers are pretty impressive.
2018-09-02T01:28:07Z qu1j0t3: it takes a lot of effort to get as far as photorealism, though. ray tracing has about 50 years of research behind it by now.
2018-09-02T01:28:21Z qu1j0t3: yeah POV Ray was a classic implementation
2018-09-02T01:28:23Z qu1j0t3: was/is
2018-09-02T01:28:25Z siraben: Zipheir: Could you give an example of a toy raytracer?
2018-09-02T01:29:11Z qu1j0t3: i basically stopped short of global illumination, because math was just way out of my reach. but that was the status of rendering around 1990
2018-09-02T01:29:32Z puff joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:29:38Z qu1j0t3: siraben: https://www.google.ca/search?q=simple+ray+tracer
2018-09-02T01:30:12Z puff quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T01:30:13Z qu1j0t3: https://mzucker.github.io/2016/08/03/miniray.html ; https://github.com/cem/simple-raytracer ; there are examples in many languages
2018-09-02T01:30:20Z qu1j0t3: oh, mzucker. that guy is great.
2018-09-02T01:31:03Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Yeah I came across mzucker's one, but unfortunately it's deliberately obfuscated.
2018-09-02T01:31:21Z qu1j0t3: what language would you prefer?
2018-09-02T01:31:46Z siraben: Scheme, Haskell, C
2018-09-02T01:31:59Z Zipheir: siraben: Yeah, the Zucker one was what I was looking at.
2018-09-02T01:32:48Z qu1j0t3: here's a tutorial siraben https://mitchellkember.com/blog/post/ray-tracer/
2018-09-02T01:33:19Z qu1j0t3: which leads to this Haskell impl https://github.com/mk12/luminosity
2018-09-02T01:33:22Z qu1j0t3: looks promising
2018-09-02T01:33:48Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Thanks for that.  I'll check it out.
2018-09-02T01:33:53Z siraben: Seems like most of the work is in the mathematics.
2018-09-02T01:34:25Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Nice tutorial, thanks.
2018-09-02T01:34:52Z qu1j0t3: siraben: yeah the math starts off easy and can get arbitrarily tough.
2018-09-02T01:35:05Z qu1j0t3: were you by any chance inspired by the release of Nvidia RTX this year?
2018-09-02T01:35:31Z siraben: I have not heard of it.
2018-09-02T01:35:45Z siraben: I was just thinking about raytracing because I was writing a mandelblot plotter.
2018-09-02T01:35:48Z qu1j0t3: ah, basically the first ready-for-prime-time hardware ray tracing solution.
2018-09-02T01:35:50Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:36:01Z siraben: And thought about .png output, and naturally raytracing.
2018-09-02T01:36:32Z siraben: Also I saw this book called "Chaos and Fractals"
2018-09-02T01:36:41Z siraben: Which from a quick skim looks very interesting.
2018-09-02T01:37:32Z siraben: The code examples are in BASIC, funnily enough.
2018-09-02T01:39:10Z Zipheir: I just finished a history of computers in aerospace (Beyond The Limits by Paul Ceruzzi) and virtually all the guidance and simulation systems mentioned were in FORTRAN or BASIC. It was a bit terrifying.
2018-09-02T01:39:20Z qu1j0t3: it's funy, Kajiya papers on much more advanced techniques are out there easy to find
2018-09-02T01:40:11Z siraben: Zipheir: Because who needs structured programming anyway? :P
2018-09-02T01:40:25Z siraben: There were a lot of GOTOs and FUNCALLs and what-have-you
2018-09-02T01:40:43Z siraben: https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Fractals-New-Frontiers-Science/dp/1468493965
2018-09-02T01:41:21Z Zipheir: Ouch, pricey.
2018-09-02T01:41:53Z qu1j0t3: siraben: there's a book you might like, that combines both fractals and ray tracing. it blew my mind in the 80s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beauty_of_Fractals
2018-09-02T01:42:00Z qu1j0t3: siraben: and ofc you've read Mandelbrot's book?
2018-09-02T01:42:06Z siraben: I have not.
2018-09-02T01:42:09Z qu1j0t3: it's a real classic.
2018-09-02T01:42:13Z qu1j0t3: i highly recommend it.
2018-09-02T01:42:45Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: The Fractal Geometry of Nature?
2018-09-02T01:43:07Z qu1j0t3: yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beauty_of_Fractals
2018-09-02T01:43:24Z qu1j0t3: there are just so many fascinating math constructs in it.
2018-09-02T01:43:31Z qu1j0t3: oops
2018-09-02T01:43:46Z qu1j0t3: wrong link. i mean https://www.amazon.ca/Fractal-Geometry-Nature-Benoit-Mandelbrot/dp/0716711869
2018-09-02T01:43:49Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T01:44:50Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Interesting.  I'll check it out.
2018-09-02T01:45:02Z qu1j0t3: siraben: the thing about ray tracing is that you can take it in so many exciting directions. e.g. this is a _1984_ paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309796528_Ray_tracing_volume_densities
2018-09-02T01:45:03Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Yeah, I'll try to pick up a copy.
2018-09-02T01:45:07Z siraben: Zipheir: I saw it because my math teacher was using it to prop up her laptop
2018-09-02T01:45:15Z siraben: The Chaos and Fractals book
2018-09-02T01:45:20Z Zipheir: Hah.
2018-09-02T01:46:59Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: I wonder if those techniques are used for cloud effects in any game engines?
2018-09-02T01:47:14Z qu1j0t3: yes and no
2018-09-02T01:47:39Z qu1j0t3: game engines are extremely compute constrained, but there's a certain amount of exchange of ideas between ray tracing andd real time communities afaik.
2018-09-02T01:48:05Z qu1j0t3: the RTX might change this, ah, game, a bit from now on, now that hardware is able to use more physically based methods in the box
2018-09-02T01:48:36Z qu1j0t3: i think a lot of it is developing a good model, then working out extremely optimised ways of evaluating the model.
2018-09-02T01:48:49Z qu1j0t3: i find game rendering presentations pretty interesting. those guys work hard.
2018-09-02T01:48:52Z qu1j0t3: and girls.
2018-09-02T01:49:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:49:08Z qu1j0t3: approximating the model*
2018-09-02T01:49:19Z qu1j0t3: but ray tracing teaches a lot of these lessons as well
2018-09-02T01:49:36Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Interesting, thanks.
2018-09-02T01:50:10Z qu1j0t3: because it's too expensive to do TOO meticulous a simulation. so you develop approximations. the most primitive ray tracers have brutal approximations to reality, like point light sources, fake transparency, and so on
2018-09-02T01:50:26Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-09-02T01:51:08Z qu1j0t3: hair rendering alone is a huge subject and there are lots of great presentations on it.
2018-09-02T01:51:21Z qu1j0t3: or, skybox rendering (like time of day/ season of year)
2018-09-02T01:51:35Z qu1j0t3: subsurface scattering
2018-09-02T01:51:45Z qu1j0t3: (e.g. skin, marble, ...)
2018-09-02T01:51:57Z qu1j0t3: and then you get into physics simulation....... lol
2018-09-02T01:52:22Z qu1j0t3: rigid body, deformations, fluids, flame, ...
2018-09-02T01:52:57Z jcowan: Zipheir: yes, that is my evil plan
2018-09-02T01:53:14Z Zipheir: jcowan: I'm looking forward to its realization. :)
2018-09-02T01:55:38Z jcowan: actually the semigroup objects will have optional fields to make them into monoids, cancellative/reductive semigroups (left and right) and factorial semigroups
2018-09-02T01:55:44Z jcowan: these are independent options
2018-09-02T01:55:59Z jcowan: so it basically operator-with-additional-stuff
2018-09-02T01:56:44Z jcowan: likewise for functors, applicatives, and monads, all one object type
2018-09-02T01:57:22Z nlsun18 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:57:26Z jcowan: what I need to work out now are what the general methods of a semigroup/monoid are (non-class-defining)
2018-09-02T01:57:53Z See joined #scheme
2018-09-02T01:57:56Z nlsun18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T01:58:42Z See quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T01:59:54Z jcowan: *however*:  there will be *no* explicit support for endofunctions
2018-09-02T02:00:07Z jcowan: i.e., I do not care than a monad is a monoid
2018-09-02T02:02:35Z siraben: A monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors.
2018-09-02T02:04:20Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-02T02:06:56Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Let me know if you do find the paper.
2018-09-02T02:07:55Z qu1j0t3: siraben: well i might be getting confused wrt Kajiya. He has lots of good papers but they're slightly above entry level. I might be remembering his thesis actually.
2018-09-02T02:08:06Z qu1j0t3: siraben: Whitted is the real inventor of ray tracing
2018-09-02T02:08:09Z Zipheir: I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the monad/monoid isomorphism.
2018-09-02T02:09:02Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Is there a book on raytracing?
2018-09-02T02:09:11Z qu1j0t3: siraben: many :)
2018-09-02T02:09:35Z siraben: Zipheir: I believe it only holds for additive monads.
2018-09-02T02:09:47Z siraben: Zipheir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming)#Additive_monads
2018-09-02T02:09:49Z qu1j0t3: this google is fairly fruitful https://www.google.ca/search?q=whitted+ray+tracing ; e.g. this overview https://eclass.aueb.gr/modules/document/file.php/INF142/%CE%A0%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%B4%CF%8C%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82/ComputerGraphics-RayTracing.pdf
2018-09-02T02:09:54Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/MJWAL2u1BY
2018-09-02T02:10:45Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Oh that's a nice presentation, thanks!
2018-09-02T02:10:52Z siraben: I love how raytracing is so visual.
2018-09-02T02:13:48Z qu1j0t3: siraben: this is a whirlwind tour of progress towards physically based models (and hard math) http://www.cs.uu.nl/docs/vakken/gr/2015/slides/lecture10%20-%20ground%20truth.pdf
2018-09-02T02:15:35Z qu1j0t3: siraben: This seems useful to you http://www.raytracegroundup.com/
2018-09-02T02:16:37Z ski: Zipheir : not really an isomorphism
2018-09-02T02:16:49Z ski: siraben : all monads
2018-09-02T02:19:09Z Zipheir: Yeah, not just additive.
2018-09-02T02:25:03Z ski: to understand that quit, you need to understand a few basic facts about categories, functors, and natural transformations. and having some examples under your belt will also help
2018-09-02T02:25:20Z ski: s/quit/quip/
2018-09-02T02:25:38Z jcowan: signed Iggy P. Ignotius
2018-09-02T02:26:02Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-02T02:26:08Z Zipheir: ski: which quiq?
2018-09-02T02:26:16Z Zipheir: s/quiq/quip/
2018-09-02T02:26:36Z Zipheir: rudybot: Why is quip so hard to type?
2018-09-02T02:26:46Z ski: "monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors"
2018-09-02T02:27:01Z Zipheir: Ah, yes.
2018-09-02T02:27:09Z Zipheir: rudybot: Are you alive
2018-09-02T02:27:19Z siraben: ski: Ah I see.
2018-09-02T02:27:25Z Zipheir: RIP rudybot.
2018-09-02T02:27:26Z siraben: I have to go now, bye everyone.
2018-09-02T02:27:31Z Zipheir: Cya siraben.
2018-09-02T02:27:44Z ski: (akso, if you're not interested in math in a more general sense, it's probably not worth the bother to understand it)
2018-09-02T02:27:48Z rudybot: Zipheir: What's that famous quip about C++?
2018-09-02T02:28:09Z rudybot: Zipheir: it's -20 outside. why are you alive, flies.
2018-09-02T02:28:23Z siraben: ,quit
2018-09-02T02:28:25Z siraben quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-02T02:29:10Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-02T02:29:50Z Zipheir: ski: I've really enjoyed what little category theory I've done. Although it is a bit of a fad with people wanting to understand 'monad magic'.
2018-09-02T02:31:50Z jcowan: just make sure to keep the switch on the "more magic" position'
2018-09-02T02:32:35Z ski: (by examples i mean like having a rough idea of what a topology is, so that you can get some grip of what a topological group (or a Lie group) is, before realizing that that's just a group objects in the category `Top' (or the category of smooth manifolds))
2018-09-02T02:33:27Z jcowan: http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
2018-09-02T02:33:44Z Zipheir: jcowan: Classic.
2018-09-02T02:33:48Z ski smiles
2018-09-02T02:34:03Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-02T02:34:26Z ski: (because a monoid object in a category (like the one of endofunctors over some base category) is just like a group object, except without the inverse operation)
2018-09-02T02:35:07Z ski: Zipheir : *nod*
2018-09-02T02:37:47Z Zipheir: On the whole, you can understand why explaining monads has become a cottage industry in the Haskell world.
2018-09-02T02:38:02Z ski: (sometimes when i type a word i less frequently use, my brain helpfully spell-corrects it into one i have more active in my vocabulary)
2018-09-02T02:38:18Z Zipheir: ski: Indeed :)
2018-09-02T02:38:30Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: kind of unfortunate given Wadler's original exposition was so clear and adequate.
2018-09-02T02:38:35Z ski: yea, unfortunately there's a lot of bad monad "tutorials" out there
2018-09-02T02:39:09Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-02T02:40:22Z ski: (i guess <http://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/> is relevant, in case you haven't seen it)
2018-09-02T02:41:28Z Zipheir: ski: Yes, that was a good summary of the problem.
2018-09-02T02:42:17Z Zipheir: ski: "x is easy! It's just like y" articles are usually no help at all.
2018-09-02T02:43:16Z ski . o O ( XY problem )
2018-09-02T02:46:18Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-02T02:46:27Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T02:51:26Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-02T02:52:05Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T02:52:23Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T02:52:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-02T02:52:52Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T03:00:38Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T03:36:56Z drewc quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-02T04:34:33Z Menche left #scheme
2018-09-02T04:35:34Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T04:40:05Z Menche joined #scheme
2018-09-02T04:49:46Z Riastradh: Don't forget that a monad is
2018-09-02T04:50:01Z Riastradh: just a burrito in the category of endopedantry.
2018-09-02T04:50:09Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-02T05:02:43Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T05:03:03Z Zipheir: (call-with-current-burrito-filling (lambda (deliciousness) ...))
2018-09-02T05:05:33Z saki quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T05:05:47Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T05:05:52Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T05:10:34Z saki quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T05:12:22Z amz3: wasamasa: what is the other amz3?
2018-09-02T05:12:31Z amz3: wasamasa: give me a link please
2018-09-02T05:20:19Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T05:27:11Z saki quit (Quit: saki)
2018-09-02T05:29:13Z deuill quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
2018-09-02T05:38:40Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T05:52:01Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T05:52:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T05:52:49Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T05:54:42Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-02T06:04:47Z amz3: wasamasa: I created an account on another instance, but I don't remember which instance it is
2018-09-02T06:26:35Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-02T06:29:28Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-02T06:33:59Z mrush joined #scheme
2018-09-02T06:41:09Z nisstyre: Riastradh: I prefer my monads as quesadillas
2018-09-02T06:44:22Z Riastradh: nisstyre: Well, sometimes people respond to different analogies -- burritos, quesadillas, tacos, empanadas, what have you.
2018-09-02T06:44:59Z nisstyre: Riastradh: yeah we should accomodate all learning styles, I agree
2018-09-02T06:45:13Z nisstyre: some people like their monads really spicy, for example
2018-09-02T07:00:28Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-02T07:06:05Z wasamasa: amz3: @amz3@fosstodon.org
2018-09-02T07:07:29Z wasamasa: amz3: https://fosstodon.org/@amz3/
2018-09-02T07:08:12Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T07:09:07Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T07:35:30Z aeth: no emparedados?
2018-09-02T07:35:34Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-02T07:39:48Z aeth: especially if it's with cacahuete y jalea, very fancy.
2018-09-02T08:15:01Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-02T08:20:04Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-02T08:28:59Z amz3: tx wasamasa I redirected that account to the new account @ https://framapiaf.org/@amz3
2018-09-02T08:32:12Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T08:48:12Z josecso joined #scheme
2018-09-02T09:01:15Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-02T09:03:56Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-02T09:05:49Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-02T09:15:54Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T09:22:33Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-02T09:41:40Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-02T10:20:01Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-02T10:22:27Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T10:22:28Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-02T11:19:25Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:20:39Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:23:51Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-02T11:25:17Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:26:45Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T11:28:13Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:28:24Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-02T11:31:34Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:42:25Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:47:03Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:47:10Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-02T11:47:35Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-02T11:48:44Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-02T11:48:55Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:50:24Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T11:55:42Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-02T12:01:57Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-02T12:02:15Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T12:19:37Z deuill joined #scheme
2018-09-02T12:45:38Z light2yellow quit (Quit: brb)
2018-09-02T12:53:17Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-02T12:54:24Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-02T12:57:16Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-02T13:05:20Z pppingme3 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T13:08:04Z pppingme3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T13:44:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T13:45:53Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:03:17Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:12:11Z ski quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-02T14:20:50Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:45:31Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-02T14:46:21Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T14:47:43Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:52:05Z ddstreet3 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:53:20Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T14:56:37Z ddstreet3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T15:02:35Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-02T15:15:41Z lyf-phone quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-02T15:27:06Z lyf-phone joined #scheme
2018-09-02T15:31:07Z lyf-phone quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T15:39:11Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T15:39:24Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T15:39:57Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T15:40:38Z light2yellow quit (Quit: brb)
2018-09-02T16:23:12Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-02T16:27:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T16:28:21Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T16:44:39Z light2yellow quit (Quit: brb)
2018-09-02T17:03:18Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T17:21:51Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-02T17:22:19Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T17:22:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:23:06Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T17:23:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:24:36Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:26:32Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T17:26:53Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:29:00Z sz0 quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-02T17:30:30Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:37:34Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:40:32Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:41:38Z light2yellow quit (Quit: light2yellow)
2018-09-02T17:43:58Z tubuliferous joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:49:13Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-02T17:51:18Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-02T17:52:04Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-02T17:57:08Z tubuliferous quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2018-09-02T18:03:25Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-02T18:25:37Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T18:35:38Z amz3: fwiw scheme is not found on this page https://langserver.org/
2018-09-02T18:36:03Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T18:38:59Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-02T18:47:09Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-02T18:50:34Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T18:51:37Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-02T18:56:26Z Zipheir` joined #scheme
2018-09-02T19:02:02Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-02T19:14:57Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-02T19:17:25Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-02T19:19:49Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-02T19:36:02Z wasamasa: someone on #chicken asked about LSP
2018-09-02T19:36:18Z wasamasa: I replied that it doesn't make much sense if their protocol omits REPLs
2018-09-02T19:48:18Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T19:57:13Z light2yellow joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:00:29Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:08:10Z light2yellow quit (Quit: light2yellow)
2018-09-02T20:09:26Z armyriad1 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:11:08Z Zipheir`: wasamasa: Have you messed around with phricken, the CHICKEN gopher server?
2018-09-02T20:11:46Z wasamasa: nope
2018-09-02T20:12:13Z armyriad1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T20:15:06Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:16:28Z Zipheir`: It's pretty cool and far more extensible than geomyi-whatever.
2018-09-02T20:25:16Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-02T20:25:34Z wasamasa: I just set up geomyi-whatever
2018-09-02T20:29:06Z thumbs26 joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:29:50Z thumbs26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T20:39:56Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-02T20:57:46Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:01:04Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-02T21:03:31Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-02T21:08:13Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:17:51Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:22:02Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:22:38Z wigust- quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-02T21:25:31Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:25:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T21:26:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:26:32Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T21:27:06Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:31:06Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-02T21:33:02Z daviid quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T21:41:02Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:41:27Z daviid is now known as Guest75565
2018-09-02T21:42:37Z Guest75565 is now known as daviid
2018-09-02T21:47:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T21:55:16Z wasamasa: didn't soemone here talk about zizek
2018-09-02T21:55:21Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T21:56:24Z wasamasa: indeed, but quipa isn't here
2018-09-02T21:58:16Z wasamasa: anyway: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/206
2018-09-02T22:08:52Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T22:09:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:09:42Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-02T22:13:48Z iskander quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-02T22:14:29Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:17:58Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-02T22:22:05Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-02T22:23:04Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:24:27Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-02T22:24:29Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:29:11Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:32:46Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-02T22:34:38Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-02T22:39:15Z amz3: well that resonates quick well with all i have done this week end.
2018-09-02T22:39:58Z amz3: ie. obeying the wealthy
2018-09-02T22:40:42Z amz3: my plan ie build something useful in Python and them port it to Scheme and say "ah! ha! See by yourself! This is much better"
2018-09-02T22:42:39Z Blukunfando quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-02T22:55:18Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T22:58:10Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T22:58:47Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T23:01:28Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-02T23:02:12Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-02T23:06:03Z Zipheir`: That comic is pretty much Zizek in a nutshell.
2018-09-02T23:06:27Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-02T23:10:54Z Zipheir`: Hah, the previous comic (Kierkegaard’s Taco Bell commercial) is a hoot. http://existentialcomics.com/comic/204
2018-09-02T23:12:27Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T23:13:10Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T23:20:26Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-02T23:21:36Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-02T23:31:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-02T23:53:37Z dlcastc joined #scheme
2018-09-02T23:54:02Z dlcastc is now known as Guest12161
2018-09-02T23:58:21Z Guest12161 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T00:18:05Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:18:13Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:22:42Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T00:23:11Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:45:24Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:55:42Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:56:53Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:56:53Z j3kyl_` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T00:57:31Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-03T00:58:45Z j3kyl_` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T00:58:50Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-03T00:59:23Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:02:58Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:12:08Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T01:13:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:16:24Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-03T01:26:47Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T01:27:21Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T01:28:40Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:31:47Z Ober_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T01:31:53Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-03T01:31:55Z Ober_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:32:11Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T01:39:53Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T01:45:18Z saki quit (Quit: saki)
2018-09-03T01:45:54Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T02:11:26Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T02:12:04Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T02:13:52Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-03T02:19:01Z qassim7 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T02:19:13Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T02:22:49Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-03T02:23:46Z qassim7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T02:35:35Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-03T02:50:33Z angelds joined #scheme
2018-09-03T02:59:27Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T03:10:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T03:51:34Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-03T04:12:10Z _sfiguser quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T04:28:15Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T04:35:43Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T04:38:31Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T05:07:24Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-03T05:22:22Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T05:39:25Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-03T05:47:18Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-03T05:50:47Z eddof13 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T05:52:35Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-03T06:01:41Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T06:02:16Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:03:10Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T06:03:37Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:06:06Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:08:42Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:09:01Z thevishy: does define give back its value?
2018-09-03T06:09:26Z thevishy: (define a 1), does it return a back?
2018-09-03T06:09:29Z wasamasa: that's not defined
2018-09-03T06:09:42Z thevishy: how about let?
2018-09-03T06:10:06Z wasamasa: please read the standard
2018-09-03T06:10:15Z thevishy: (let ([x (call/cc (lambda (k) k))]) (x (lambda (ignore) "hi"))
2018-09-03T06:10:20Z wasamasa: who knows, maybe r6rs changed it to something insane, then r7rs changed it back
2018-09-03T06:10:38Z thevishy: ah okies, i was just thinking about this example of call/cc
2018-09-03T06:11:34Z Remco20 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:12:16Z thevishy: i can understand that the call/cc captured inside let is to "take whatever value and bind it to x", and now if it also returns its value back then I can understand this example
2018-09-03T06:12:35Z wasamasa: > _Semantics:_ The <init>s are evaluated in the current environment (in some unspecified order), the <variable>s are bound to fresh locations holding the results, the <body> is evaluated in the extended environment, and the value(s) of the last expression of <body> is(are) returned.
2018-09-03T06:12:38Z wasamasa: that's r5rs on let
2018-09-03T06:13:02Z thevishy: oh
2018-09-03T06:13:28Z thevishy: i hope this example if some standard one because it is from chez's
2018-09-03T06:16:15Z Remco20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T06:24:48Z thevishy: what is the difference between (let ((x 2)) ... ) and (let ([x 2]) ... )
2018-09-03T06:25:28Z Zipheir`: Square brackets are just parens. Not standard, though.
2018-09-03T06:25:34Z thevishy: Ah
2018-09-03T06:25:44Z thevishy: thanks Zipheir`
2018-09-03T06:26:06Z Zipheir`: Some people hate the square brackets, but some good Schemers use them too.
2018-09-03T06:26:59Z thevishy: probably easier for the eyes
2018-09-03T06:30:30Z Zipheir`: It's easier for matching up open/close brackets in big procedures. Personally, I think it's confusing to have two different bracket symbols mean the same thing.
2018-09-03T06:31:00Z Zipheir`: But I guess the mathematicians should be blamed for that convention.
2018-09-03T06:31:38Z thevishy: True
2018-09-03T06:33:52Z SlashLife22 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T06:36:42Z SlashLife22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T06:46:45Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-03T06:53:03Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-03T07:07:43Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T07:08:38Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:11:55Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T07:19:19Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:30:15Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T07:32:14Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:33:10Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T07:33:39Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:33:57Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-03T07:39:53Z greatscottttt joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:46:49Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T07:46:57Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:48:30Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-03T07:48:39Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:50:24Z thevishy: what does (let f (()) ...) mean? what does f stand for
2018-09-03T07:52:23Z thevishy: i have seen examples where things are inside the bracket, but it can be outside too?
2018-09-03T07:53:16Z ecraven: that's named let
2018-09-03T07:53:28Z ecraven: f is bound to a function
2018-09-03T07:53:59Z ecraven: (let fact ((n 15)) (if (= n 0) 1 (* n (fact (- n 1)))))
2018-09-03T07:55:04Z thevishy: thanks that is interesting, it almost seems like anonymous procedure
2018-09-03T07:55:22Z ecraven: not anonymous, but it is very useful ;)
2018-09-03T07:55:44Z thevishy: yes :)
2018-09-03T07:59:26Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T07:59:31Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T08:02:34Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-03T08:05:22Z thevishy: what are some good scheme books out there?
2018-09-03T08:05:41Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T08:05:51Z thevishy: lisp in small pieces and the little schemer is what I have in my to read list
2018-09-03T08:06:02Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:06:04Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:06:08Z thevishy: apart from sicp btw, sicp is not a scheme book I think
2018-09-03T08:06:32Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:06:41Z thevishy: just wondering if there are some other classics that i haven't discovered yet :-)
2018-09-03T08:07:10Z ecraven: there's a few, I have to go now but I'll tell you some later
2018-09-03T08:07:27Z ecraven: Programming in Scheme came up some time ago, it's for PC Scheme (which doesn't exist any longer), but it's a good introduction to *Scheme*
2018-09-03T08:07:40Z ecraven: you might find it online, but it's not available freely, like some others
2018-09-03T08:07:48Z thevishy: okie thanks ecraven
2018-09-03T08:07:52Z thevishy: i will check out
2018-09-03T08:07:59Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:08:03Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T08:09:06Z thevishy: the problem with scheme is that google doesn't understand it well
2018-09-03T08:09:20Z thevishy: (problem with google rather)
2018-09-03T08:18:52Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-03T08:18:57Z aeth: Google these days is more like Ask Jeeves 2.0 than Google
2018-09-03T08:19:18Z aeth: It wants to answer natural language questions. Search for "foo" and get "foobar" in the results.
2018-09-03T08:19:59Z aeth: Programmers don't have a search engine anymore, not just Schemers.
2018-09-03T08:30:06Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:34:38Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T08:51:29Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:56:01Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T08:56:05Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T09:01:04Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T09:05:12Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-03T09:09:59Z sz0 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T09:50:17Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-03T09:55:00Z ssake joined #scheme
2018-09-03T09:55:28Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T10:01:26Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T10:01:30Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T10:02:10Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-03T10:09:52Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T10:10:23Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T10:20:39Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-03T10:22:33Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T10:22:34Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-03T10:32:51Z saki quit (Quit: saki)
2018-09-03T10:41:35Z Stummi22 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T10:44:26Z Stummi22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T11:04:25Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T11:07:43Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T11:25:35Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-03T11:28:30Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-03T11:32:11Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-03T11:35:18Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T11:37:53Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-03T11:41:12Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T11:42:05Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-03T11:46:13Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-03T11:56:42Z Guest98127 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T11:57:24Z Guest98127 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T12:05:35Z greatscottttt quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)
2018-09-03T12:24:40Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T12:24:47Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T12:26:45Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T12:26:50Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T12:32:42Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-03T12:33:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T12:43:37Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T12:43:42Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-03T12:50:29Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:03:55Z Zipheir` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-03T13:08:21Z furiousDingo25 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:08:56Z furiousDingo25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T13:23:49Z SKYWARN joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:24:15Z SKYWARN quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T13:25:06Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:26:44Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:29:47Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-03T13:38:03Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-03T13:43:23Z angelds quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T14:06:25Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:06:26Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T14:06:37Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:06:38Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T14:07:55Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:07:56Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T14:19:00Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-03T14:23:12Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:48:47Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:59:14Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-03T14:59:54Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:07:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T15:09:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:12:06Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-03T15:13:50Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:17:31Z asumu quit (Changing host)
2018-09-03T15:17:31Z asumu joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:27:28Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:28:45Z Zipheir` joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:28:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:28:54Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T15:30:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T15:35:07Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:35:32Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-03T15:36:24Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-03T15:37:57Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:53:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T15:57:39Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:57:40Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T15:58:18Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:58:19Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T15:58:30Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T15:58:31Z LeoNerd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T15:58:42Z LeoNerd joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:00:26Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-03T16:03:37Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:06:57Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:07:47Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T16:10:44Z eddof13 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:20:50Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:25:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:46:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T16:49:28Z fedelibre quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-03T16:50:26Z Namarrgon5 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:50:57Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:54:03Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-03T16:55:12Z Namarrgon5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T17:04:51Z saki quit (Quit: saki)
2018-09-03T17:14:40Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T17:24:09Z ng01 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:24:55Z ng0 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-03T17:29:00Z ng01 is now known as ng0
2018-09-03T17:32:11Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-03T17:32:16Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:32:28Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:42:49Z daviid` joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:42:57Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T17:44:13Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:44:33Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-03T17:53:34Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-03T17:53:52Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T17:54:38Z amz3: Zipheir`: that comic is neat!
2018-09-03T17:56:00Z dbmikus quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-03T17:56:28Z amz3: aeth: what you want is keyword match use double quotes, sometime google agrees to submit that as a exact keyword match and won't pollute the results
2018-09-03T17:56:49Z amz3: try 'sudopython', google will never give up and give 'sudo python' in the results
2018-09-03T18:00:18Z amz3: but "sudpython" just works as expected
2018-09-03T18:27:37Z iskander joined #scheme
2018-09-03T18:29:33Z daviid`` joined #scheme
2018-09-03T18:30:47Z daviid` quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T18:35:27Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:05:16Z amz3: well google search is full of wonders
2018-09-03T19:05:41Z amz3: last time I tried unsual search queries, and they prompted to solve a riddle
2018-09-03T19:05:57Z amz3: another time I was goofing in the paginatin they locked me out of the search results
2018-09-03T19:06:16Z brettgilio quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-03T19:07:16Z amz3: yet another time, I hit the very last page of a given search query, at the last line I could read 'I have hidden similar results' but without a link to show them
2018-09-03T19:07:28Z amz3: it was around the 20th page
2018-09-03T19:10:08Z amz3: which means only 200 or so result out of thousands are reacheable
2018-09-03T19:10:24Z samth quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:25Z rjungemann quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:25Z greghendershott quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:25Z physpi quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:25Z kwmiebach quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:26Z mats quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:26Z pyro- quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:33Z pyro- joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:10:35Z zooey quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-03T19:10:54Z kwmiebach joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:10:54Z greghendershott joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:11:04Z rjungemann joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:11:35Z physpi joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:11:35Z samth joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:11:44Z mats joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:13:19Z samth quit (Changing host)
2018-09-03T19:13:19Z samth joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:14:55Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:16:35Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:17:27Z ng0: amz3: google is surprisingly shallow and ineffective, sometimes it's more effective to write and use your own crawler
2018-09-03T19:17:53Z wasamasa: I considered doing that for github and emacs things
2018-09-03T19:17:58Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:18:15Z wasamasa: because there's this ghtorrent thing
2018-09-03T19:22:01Z cobax joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:24:32Z cobax: Hi. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic. I like how scheme allows for elegant implementations of other paradigms, e.g. minikanren. But I'm confused: is this ( https://pastebin.com/s0Uef6Gb ) the same paradigm as prolog? if not, is there a name for that paradigm, and a scheme implementation of it?
2018-09-03T19:25:08Z cobax: That is an Age of Empires 2 A.I. script for scripting bots
2018-09-03T19:26:30Z cobax: Is that what ICON is? I've looked at it but don't see how it's the same paradigm as that script
2018-09-03T19:31:39Z wasamasa: looks quite procedural to me
2018-09-03T19:31:55Z wasamasa: a list of conditions and a list of actions to execute if they've been met
2018-09-03T19:35:29Z cobax: ...that then is done in a loop every x seconds and which allows rules to be disabled via "disable-self"...
2018-09-03T19:35:50Z wasamasa: I see nothing declarative about this
2018-09-03T19:35:54Z cobax: I'm trying to find out if Microsoft came up with that one their own or if there is a proper name for it... "rules-based systems" is such a scant search online
2018-09-03T19:35:55Z wasamasa: or any kind of backtracking
2018-09-03T19:37:44Z wasamasa: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6e6zwn/i_had_no_idea_common_lisp_had_actually_been_used/dialnc1/
2018-09-03T19:37:55Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/pj6g1ogQit
2018-09-03T19:38:17Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:38:31Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-03T19:39:54Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:40:32Z cobax: I was just wondering if that was a totally original idea by Microsoft to come up with this little engine where you can disable rules and everything is a rule, or if that had a name
2018-09-03T19:40:58Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-03T19:41:21Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:41:24Z cobax: where else have you seen that pattern? in other words, more or less is what I'm asking
2018-09-03T19:41:48Z wasamasa: all I see is something anyone could have come up with
2018-09-03T19:42:01Z wasamasa: I mean, I've seen it in a kids game about programming robots
2018-09-03T19:42:17Z wasamasa: and even that game was more sophisticated than that
2018-09-03T19:42:41Z cobax: wikipedia says of "rule-based systems" that: "Normally, the term 'rule-based system' is applied to systems involving human-crafted or curated rule sets."
2018-09-03T19:42:45Z cobax: so maybe that's what it is?
2018-09-03T19:43:08Z cobax: hence why it's applied to these small domains like scripting bots?
2018-09-03T19:47:06Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-03T19:51:36Z Zipheir`: Pattern/action systems like AWK come to mind.
2018-09-03T19:52:11Z Zipheir`: I’m sure there’s a pretentious design pattern name for it. :)
2018-09-03T19:53:02Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T19:53:19Z Zipheir`: cobax: maybe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data-driven_programming
2018-09-03T19:56:44Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T19:58:34Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T20:03:27Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:08:28Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:18:15Z zooey_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:18:24Z cobax: Zipheir`: if that's not it, it's pretty close.
2018-09-03T20:18:52Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T20:19:48Z cobax: Zipheir`: in the article for Sed they explicitly mention a "cycle" which is an integral part of the script I linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed
2018-09-03T20:20:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T20:20:59Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:21:14Z Zipheir`: cobax: Yeah, awk has an implicit cycle as well.
2018-09-03T20:22:43Z Zipheir`: cobax: Event-handling procedures are a similar, but more functional-flavored pattern.
2018-09-03T20:23:06Z Zipheir`: Err, just 'handling'. No events needed.
2018-09-03T20:23:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:28:02Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-03T20:29:16Z Zipheir`: cobax: Did Age Of Empires 2 use Lisp for AI programming?
2018-09-03T20:30:43Z cobax: Zipheir`: it looked like this ( https://pastebin.com/s0Uef6Gb ) but I can't find out anything about the language, not even its name
2018-09-03T20:31:21Z aeth: oh wow
2018-09-03T20:32:39Z Zipheir`: cobax: Indeed. Lots of people seem to be wondering 'what all those S-expressions in are AoE 2'
2018-09-03T20:32:47Z Zipheir`: s/in are/are in/
2018-09-03T20:33:38Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:33:48Z aeth: Are they still in AoE II HD?
2018-09-03T20:33:56Z cobax: Zipheir`: all I know is the programmer is bound to forms only of the shape (conditions to trigger actions) => (actions) and a cycle keeps checking the rules
2018-09-03T20:33:58Z aeth: Because if they are "Microsoft officially supports Lisp for AI programming"
2018-09-03T20:34:00Z cobax: aeth: no idea!
2018-09-03T20:34:06Z cobax: hahah
2018-09-03T20:34:10Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T20:34:11Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:34:25Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-03T20:34:42Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:34:58Z InverseRhombus quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
2018-09-03T20:35:31Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:36:42Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:37:24Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-03T20:42:55Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-03T20:53:27Z manumanumanu quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-03T21:01:53Z p3pp3rb0x joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:05:07Z n_blownapart joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:05:22Z n_blownapart is now known as crestfallen
2018-09-03T21:06:01Z p3pp3rb0x quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-03T21:06:25Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T21:06:51Z bigfondue quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-03T21:10:53Z Affliction7 joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:13:41Z Affliction7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T21:24:19Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:24:20Z brettgilio quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-03T21:26:13Z nckx quit (Quit: Updating my GNU GuixSD server — gnu.org/s/guix)
2018-09-03T21:27:52Z bigfondue joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:33:15Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-03T21:33:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:36:30Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:44:19Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-03T21:47:00Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:49:07Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T21:49:59Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-03T21:50:16Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-03T21:50:55Z crestfallen quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-03T21:55:53Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-03T22:14:49Z daviid`` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-03T22:17:23Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:22:04Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:22:17Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:22:19Z longshi quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-03T22:23:42Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:24:56Z wigust quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-03T22:37:29Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:46:42Z ArneBab quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-03T22:47:57Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-03T22:47:58Z ArneBab quit (Changing host)
2018-09-03T22:47:58Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-03T23:08:12Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T23:18:01Z cmaloney quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-03T23:18:20Z cmaloney joined #scheme
2018-09-03T23:27:41Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-03T23:40:53Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-03T23:43:19Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-03T23:44:01Z InverseRhombus quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-03T23:50:22Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-03T23:59:07Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-03T23:59:54Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-04T00:03:46Z lockywolf__ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-04T00:08:26Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-04T00:20:31Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T00:25:59Z cobax quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-04T00:30:13Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-04T00:37:49Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T00:58:16Z klovett quit
2018-09-04T01:13:38Z cobax joined #scheme
2018-09-04T01:32:55Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-04T01:35:37Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T01:35:56Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T01:48:35Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T01:52:22Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T01:52:24Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-04T01:52:37Z Zipheir` quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-04T02:42:34Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-04T02:49:06Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T02:53:48Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-04T02:58:21Z lrwz joined #scheme
2018-09-04T02:59:08Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:04:43Z lritter quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-04T03:07:31Z TGO joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:08:59Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-04T03:09:18Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:10:18Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:10:24Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T03:10:27Z cmatei quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T03:11:30Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T03:14:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:15:15Z cmatei joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:15:52Z lockywolf: Hello, everyone. Could someone point me to a more newbie-friendly description of what is a 'Datum label' in r7rs?
2018-09-04T03:16:12Z lockywolf: It's section 2.4, page 9 of the R7RS.
2018-09-04T03:18:29Z Riastradh: It's for representing circular data structures.
2018-09-04T03:18:50Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (list-ref '#0=(1 . (2 . (3 . #0#))) 273478)
2018-09-04T03:18:58Z Riastradh: Maybe rudybot isn't working any more.
2018-09-04T03:18:58Z lockywolf: Is there a case when I'm writing it myself?
2018-09-04T03:19:03Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: with-limit: out of time
2018-09-04T03:19:14Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (list-ref '#0=(1 . (2 . (3 . #0#))) 2734)
2018-09-04T03:19:18Z rudybot: Riastradh: your sandbox is ready
2018-09-04T03:19:18Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: eval:1:11: read: #..= expressions not allowed in read-syntax mode
2018-09-04T03:19:25Z Riastradh: Heh.
2018-09-04T03:19:39Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (let ((x (cons 0 0))) (set-cdr! x x) x)
2018-09-04T03:19:39Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: set-cdr!: undefined; <NEWLINE>  cannot reference an identifier before its definition <NEWLINE>   in module: 'program
2018-09-04T03:19:49Z Riastradh: rudybot: init r7rs
2018-09-04T03:19:50Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found <NEWLINE>   for module path: r7rs <NEWLINE>   collection: "r7rs" <NEWLINE>   in collection directories: <NEWLINE>    /mnt2/racket-6.9/collects <NEWLINE>    ... [159 additional linked and package directories]
2018-09-04T03:19:53Z Riastradh: rudybot: init r5rs
2018-09-04T03:19:54Z rudybot: Riastradh: your r5rs sandbox is ready
2018-09-04T03:19:56Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (let ((x (cons 0 0))) (set-cdr! x x) x)
2018-09-04T03:19:56Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #0=(mcons 0 #0#)
2018-09-04T03:20:00Z Riastradh: Heh.
2018-09-04T03:20:02Z Riastradh: `mcons', OK.
2018-09-04T03:20:05Z Riastradh: (Racketism)
2018-09-04T03:20:24Z lockywolf: What's the (a . b) construction?
2018-09-04T03:20:27Z Riastradh: cons
2018-09-04T03:20:33Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (cons 1 2)
2018-09-04T03:20:33Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: (mcons 1 2)
2018-09-04T03:20:38Z Riastradh: OK...
2018-09-04T03:20:39Z lockywolf: Indeed I see it in the example there
2018-09-04T03:20:41Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval '(1 . 2)
2018-09-04T03:20:41Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: (mcons 1 2)
2018-09-04T03:20:49Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (car '(1 . 2))
2018-09-04T03:20:49Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: 1
2018-09-04T03:20:51Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (cdr '(1 . 2))
2018-09-04T03:20:51Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: 2
2018-09-04T03:21:28Z lockywolf: But in r7rs it is used before is defined.
2018-09-04T03:21:36Z lockywolf: I mean, in the report.
2018-09-04T03:21:41Z Riastradh: ?
2018-09-04T03:22:20Z lockywolf: I mean, the dot-expression.
2018-09-04T03:22:25Z lockywolf: It's page 9
2018-09-04T03:23:12Z Riastradh: Sec. 2.3 `Other notations' gives the forward reference for the meaning of `.' here.
2018-09-04T03:23:38Z Riastradh: `A delimited period (not occurring within a number or identifier) is used in the notation for pairs (section 6.4), and to indicate a rest-parameter in a formal parameter list (section 4.1.4).'
2018-09-04T03:25:03Z lockywolf: What 'delimited' mean?
2018-09-04T03:25:31Z lockywolf: *does
2018-09-04T03:26:34Z Riastradh: Surrounded by symbol/number delimiters, namely spaces.
2018-09-04T03:36:15Z lockywolf: Is it used for display only, or used in code too?
2018-09-04T03:36:36Z lockywolf: I can make a pair by (cons "a" "b")
2018-09-04T03:36:55Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (equal? '(1 . 2) (cons 1 2))
2018-09-04T03:36:56Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #t
2018-09-04T03:42:02Z lockywolf: So, in Scheme I eval quoted expressions, not strings, right?
2018-09-04T03:46:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-04T03:46:50Z lockywolf: Say, I have (define b (lambda () (cons 1 2)))
2018-09-04T03:47:14Z lockywolf: (eval 'b (interaction-environment))
2018-09-04T03:47:36Z lockywolf: Doesn't return the pair, it returns the procedure object.
2018-09-04T03:47:47Z lockywolf: How to evaluate b?
2018-09-04T03:49:45Z lockywolf: I can, obviously, just call b.
2018-09-04T03:50:22Z Riastradh: So...call it?
2018-09-04T03:51:55Z lockywolf: How do I 'package' it for evaluation with 'eval'?
2018-09-04T03:52:42Z Riastradh: (eval '(b) (interaction-environment))
2018-09-04T03:52:48Z Riastradh: ((eval 'b (interaction-environment)))
2018-09-04T03:52:50Z lockywolf: ahhh
2018-09-04T03:53:00Z lockywolf: got it
2018-09-04T03:56:07Z lockywolf: Thank you so much!
2018-09-04T03:56:17Z lockywolf: For answering my lame questions.
2018-09-04T03:56:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T03:58:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T04:00:12Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T04:00:27Z brettgilio quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T04:06:47Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-04T04:15:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T04:16:57Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T04:18:30Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T04:18:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T04:19:17Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T05:09:56Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T05:27:55Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T05:33:02Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-04T05:48:51Z nullcone quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:48:51Z alphor quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:48:51Z kilimanjaro quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:48:51Z Duns_Scrotus quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:49:28Z m1dnight_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:49:34Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:04Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:50:04Z carc quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:50:04Z f32ff quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-04T05:50:39Z kilimanjaro joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:39Z f32ff joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:43Z kilimanjaro quit (Changing host)
2018-09-04T05:50:43Z kilimanjaro joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:43Z kilimanjaro quit (Changing host)
2018-09-04T05:50:43Z kilimanjaro joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:43Z Duns_Scrotus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:50:44Z m1dnight_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:51:08Z alphor joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:51:19Z carc joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:51:26Z carc quit (Changing host)
2018-09-04T05:51:26Z carc joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:52:14Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:56:20Z TGO quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-04T05:56:47Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-04T05:59:04Z TheGreekOwl quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T06:00:21Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-04T06:09:05Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-04T06:30:42Z pchrist quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-04T06:31:26Z pchrist joined #scheme
2018-09-04T06:38:05Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-04T06:42:58Z lrwz left #scheme
2018-09-04T06:53:00Z ecraven: ;)
2018-09-04T07:00:38Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-04T07:45:03Z m1dnight_ is now known as m1dnight
2018-09-04T07:57:03Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T08:21:05Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-04T08:32:22Z ssake quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-04T08:36:15Z angelds joined #scheme
2018-09-04T08:51:18Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-04T09:54:12Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T09:56:55Z f32ff quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-04T10:23:20Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-04T10:23:30Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-04T10:23:57Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-04T10:41:05Z outtabwz left #scheme
2018-09-04T10:48:27Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-04T10:51:15Z araujo joined #scheme
2018-09-04T10:51:16Z araujo quit (Changing host)
2018-09-04T10:51:16Z araujo joined #scheme
2018-09-04T10:53:21Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T10:59:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:04:39Z AimHere22 joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:10:03Z AimHere22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T11:12:45Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:39:53Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:49:11Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:50:24Z sophiya joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:53:41Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-04T11:54:31Z sophiya quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-04T11:58:28Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-04T11:58:35Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-04T12:04:21Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T12:07:10Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:07:19Z saki quit (Excess Flood)
2018-09-04T12:14:57Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:21:06Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:36:44Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:37:59Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:46:38Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T12:46:41Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:48:58Z saki joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:49:26Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T12:49:59Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-04T12:54:27Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T13:19:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T13:27:49Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-04T13:32:23Z saki quit (Quit: saki)
2018-09-04T13:39:47Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-04T13:40:06Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-04T13:40:20Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-04T13:55:34Z angelds quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T14:05:37Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:05:37Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-04T14:12:51Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:14:08Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-04T14:14:10Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T14:14:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:14:37Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:15:11Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:18:29Z mrush quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T14:18:47Z m_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:25:21Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:29:46Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T14:39:07Z j3kyl_`` joined #scheme
2018-09-04T14:40:28Z j3kyl_` quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-04T15:01:35Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:03:36Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:14:56Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:24:15Z nly: Hi, what's the difference between the various dialects of lisp? Are they compatible with each other at a basic level?
2018-09-04T15:24:15Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:30:02Z gwatt: depends on which lisps you're comparing. No, they're generally not compatible with each other on a basic level.
2018-09-04T15:32:15Z nly: Racket scheme48 and guile
2018-09-04T15:32:53Z nly: And emacs lisp.
2018-09-04T15:33:35Z nly: OK :)
2018-09-04T15:37:01Z gwatt: I'm not familiar with emacs lisp, but racket, scheme48, and guile are all schemes so there is a basic level of compatiblity between those 3
2018-09-04T15:39:27Z wasamasa: nly: what's the difference between the various C-like languages? Are they compatible with each other at a basic level?
2018-09-04T15:39:59Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-04T15:40:26Z nly: I don't know wasamasa
2018-09-04T15:40:43Z nly: I meant common libraries and syntax
2018-09-04T15:41:31Z wasamasa: generally speaking, compatibility between languages is rare
2018-09-04T15:41:37Z nly: Nice gwatt
2018-09-04T15:41:51Z nly: I see wasamasa
2018-09-04T15:41:52Z wasamasa: reusable libraries across them even more so
2018-09-04T15:42:03Z wasamasa: so, what is your actual question?
2018-09-04T15:42:19Z wasamasa: do you plan on writing a library in elisp that should be reusable with any scheme implementation?
2018-09-04T15:42:24Z wasamasa: if yes, I have bad news for you
2018-09-04T15:42:35Z nly: Ah
2018-09-04T15:43:19Z nly: I want to know the differences between the lisps, to basically pick one wasamasa
2018-09-04T15:43:33Z wasamasa: they're different languages that look vaguely similar
2018-09-04T15:44:12Z wasamasa: what are your requirements?
2018-09-04T15:44:50Z nly: I am learning about programming languages concepts
2018-09-04T15:45:06Z nly: I use emacs
2018-09-04T15:45:23Z nly: So emacs lisp might come handy
2018-09-04T15:45:35Z wasamasa: emacs lisp is designed for customizing emacs
2018-09-04T15:45:43Z wasamasa: anything beyond that turns into a challenge
2018-09-04T15:45:59Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-04T15:47:05Z nly: Oh
2018-09-04T15:47:19Z wasamasa: SICP is a book exploring programming concepts in scheme
2018-09-04T15:48:04Z bigfondue quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-04T15:48:38Z nly: Nice book. Thanks wasamasa
2018-09-04T15:48:40Z nly: :)
2018-09-04T15:48:51Z Zipheir` joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:48:53Z wasamasa: it doesn't really matter what implementation of scheme you pick for that one
2018-09-04T15:49:04Z nly: Alright
2018-09-04T15:49:19Z wasamasa: racket just happens to have support for the picture language chapter
2018-09-04T15:49:57Z kori quit (Changing host)
2018-09-04T15:49:57Z kori joined #scheme
2018-09-04T15:53:20Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-04T15:56:36Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-04T15:56:47Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T15:58:26Z hugo: The book uses MIT-scheme. But as wasamasa said, any scheme implementation works
2018-09-04T15:58:40Z wasamasa: I'm not so sure about that
2018-09-04T15:58:50Z wasamasa: they use t and nil as constants for #t and '()
2018-09-04T15:59:13Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T16:00:47Z hugo: wasamasa: Both MIT-scheme and SICP uses #t and #f for true and false
2018-09-04T16:01:03Z hugo: SICP does use nil for the empty list
2018-09-04T16:01:45Z hugo: But that's just (define nil '())
2018-09-04T16:02:19Z wasamasa: #t and #f are mentioned in a single footnote
2018-09-04T16:02:34Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:04:13Z wasamasa: other than that they use true and false
2018-09-04T16:05:04Z hugo: wasamasa: Ok.
2018-09-04T16:05:18Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-04T16:05:19Z hugo: I looked closer and you are right
2018-09-04T16:07:05Z hugo: https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/scheme/index.html
2018-09-04T16:07:31Z hugo: Official information about recommended scheme. Unless there are multiple schemes called MIT scheme then that is the recommended one
2018-09-04T16:07:41Z hugo: Not that it actually matters. They are all really similar
2018-09-04T16:07:53Z bigfondue joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:12:14Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:14:17Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:15:29Z Fare quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T16:22:02Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-04T16:27:21Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T16:38:29Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:38:41Z m_ left #scheme
2018-09-04T16:41:19Z mrush joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:44:27Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T16:59:43Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-04T17:11:08Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T17:14:27Z gwatt: I believe racket also has a SICP mode
2018-09-04T17:18:36Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T17:19:21Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-04T17:22:56Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-04T17:49:31Z klovett_ quit
2018-09-04T17:57:49Z Stryyker18 joined #scheme
2018-09-04T18:02:32Z Stryyker18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T18:13:37Z nly: Gotcha
2018-09-04T18:25:39Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-04T18:30:24Z Zipheir`: rudybot: engage SICP mode!
2018-09-04T18:30:25Z rudybot: Zipheir`: M-x engage-seatbelt
2018-09-04T18:33:24Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T18:36:18Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-04T18:36:31Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T18:44:09Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T18:45:17Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T18:46:19Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T18:48:23Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T18:50:27Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:04:26Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:07:25Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:13:04Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:29:58Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-04T19:42:59Z j3kyl_`` quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-04T19:44:03Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:44:24Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-04T19:44:43Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:48:05Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:52:50Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-04T19:54:45Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:55:43Z ZombieChicken joined #scheme
2018-09-04T19:56:26Z ZombieChicken: Do any Scheme implementations support docstrings?
2018-09-04T19:56:47Z wasamasa: get one with customizable read syntax and make your own
2018-09-04T19:56:53Z wasamasa: there's at least one egg for that in CHICKEN
2018-09-04T19:57:21Z ZombieChicken: thought that was what it would require. Thanks
2018-09-04T19:57:53Z wasamasa: but then, nothing keeping you from doing it with a special macro or something
2018-09-04T20:00:06Z wasamasa: despite this, the CHICKEN people just use docs separate from the code
2018-09-04T20:00:16Z wasamasa: it's only one or two who actually use that docstring egg
2018-09-04T20:01:15Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-04T20:07:25Z cortisol quit
2018-09-04T20:12:32Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-04T20:16:36Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-04T20:24:06Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-04T20:25:10Z eddof13 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-04T20:27:40Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T20:30:03Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-04T20:31:07Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-04T20:32:40Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T20:33:05Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-04T20:56:18Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T21:02:21Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T21:08:09Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:15:37Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-04T21:18:48Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-04T21:25:52Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-04T21:30:56Z Guest28218 joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:33:47Z Guest28218 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T21:35:36Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T21:37:07Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:42:48Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T21:44:07Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-04T21:44:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:47:57Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:49:57Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T21:50:34Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-04T21:51:06Z cowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:54:12Z cowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T21:54:22Z iskander quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T21:58:21Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-04T21:59:09Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-04T22:00:38Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-04T22:43:14Z dbmikus quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-04T22:44:01Z ZombieChicken quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-04T22:56:13Z wigust quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-04T22:56:34Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-04T22:58:43Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:10:12Z klovett quit
2018-09-04T23:12:17Z cowan joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:14:41Z cowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-04T23:15:22Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-04T23:19:29Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-04T23:19:43Z equalsra1 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-04T23:22:32Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:28:51Z shlemas joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:31:38Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:37:31Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-04T23:47:25Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:52:18Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-04T23:54:48Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-04T23:57:59Z cowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:04:30Z Zipheir` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T00:06:25Z Zipheir` joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:10:58Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T00:11:03Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:17:45Z cowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T00:21:20Z cowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:23:09Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:23:09Z cowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T00:31:36Z cowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T00:33:17Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:41:00Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T00:45:56Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:48:52Z jao quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T00:49:03Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T00:56:44Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T00:58:39Z cowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T00:59:31Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:03:54Z cowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-05T01:04:34Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T01:05:06Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:07:13Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:16:41Z zooey_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-05T01:17:03Z niklasl2 joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:17:07Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-05T01:22:18Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:24:05Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-05T01:25:41Z shlemas quit (Quit: shlemas)
2018-09-05T01:27:49Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:37:51Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:42:38Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T01:42:45Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:48:13Z sbadger joined #scheme
2018-09-05T01:53:03Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:03:30Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:09:19Z Zipheir` quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-05T02:09:50Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:10:14Z daviid is now known as Guest30187
2018-09-05T02:11:26Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:12:26Z Guest30187 is now known as daviid
2018-09-05T02:13:12Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:18:36Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:23:28Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:25:02Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:25:19Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:25:34Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:26:48Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:29:04Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-05T02:30:53Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T02:42:01Z TGO joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:42:07Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-05T02:42:23Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:44:46Z nullcone quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:44:46Z exit70 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:44:46Z weltung quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:44:46Z terrorjack quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:44:46Z bheesham quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:45:10Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:45:21Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:45:21Z gko quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:45:21Z greaser|q quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:45:36Z weltung joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:45:53Z greaser|q joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:47:56Z terrorjack joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:49:11Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:49:18Z exit70 joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:50:06Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T02:53:12Z gko joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:57:35Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-05T02:58:51Z bheesham joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:03:47Z sbadger quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T03:08:26Z Blkt_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T03:13:28Z Blkt joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:19:04Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:23:24Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-05T03:26:18Z r0kc4t quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T03:32:47Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-05T03:34:05Z r0kc4t joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:38:06Z TGO quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-05T03:39:47Z cowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T03:40:09Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:42:08Z cowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-05T03:45:04Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T03:46:37Z cowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-05T04:08:47Z fgudin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T04:16:21Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T04:16:21Z fgudin joined #scheme
2018-09-05T04:28:22Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-05T04:29:24Z foof` joined #scheme
2018-09-05T04:30:12Z foof quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T04:31:22Z snits quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-05T04:31:35Z snits joined #scheme
2018-09-05T04:39:53Z eagleflo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T04:40:00Z eagleflo joined #scheme
2018-09-05T04:43:07Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T04:46:57Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-05T05:11:28Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-05T05:25:19Z Zipheir` joined #scheme
2018-09-05T05:28:39Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T05:34:03Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-05T05:42:56Z ecraven: fwiw, I use doc-strings in mit-scheme fine, just inspect the procedure's code object and check whether the first expression is a string
2018-09-05T05:52:10Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T05:54:52Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-05T06:20:13Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T06:28:14Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-05T06:40:09Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T06:41:31Z m1dnight quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T06:43:20Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-05T06:52:01Z aeth: The difficulty is adding documentation to everything else
2018-09-05T06:52:09Z aeth: Procedures are the easiest thing
2018-09-05T06:52:57Z ecraven: indeed, but also the most useful, imho
2018-09-05T06:52:58Z aeth: I guess for global variables you can just use the next element, e.g. (define foo 42 "Forty two")
2018-09-05T06:53:13Z ecraven: that'd mean redefining define at least
2018-09-05T06:53:21Z aeth: yeah
2018-09-05T06:53:23Z ecraven: for procedures, if you have introspection, there's no need to change anything
2018-09-05T06:53:36Z ecraven: but yes, I often wish Scheme did provide built-in support for documentation :-/
2018-09-05T06:54:14Z aeth: It's not like anyone uses it in the CL world.
2018-09-05T06:54:34Z Zipheir`: Have any schemes started mining comments for docstrings, a la haddock?
2018-09-05T06:55:18Z aeth: That sounds like a bad idea. You can't read comments. You can read everything else. Or are comments first class in Scheme now?
2018-09-05T06:57:56Z Zipheir`: Go, Python and Haskell have been doing it for a while, and it seems to work reasonably well. The downside is the over-commenting, I guess.
2018-09-05T06:58:39Z ecraven: well, I'd *much* prefer my documentation to be part of the actual code, not some random semi-standardized comment format :-/
2018-09-05T06:58:49Z ecraven: it's not like this has never been done successfully before :-/
2018-09-05T06:59:10Z aeth: If you put metadata in the comments you have to do two passes over the source file or you have to modify your reader to read meaningful information from the comments rather than discarding it, and you have to associate that with objects
2018-09-05T06:59:41Z Zipheir`: That's not the idea.
2018-09-05T06:59:57Z aeth: If your solution is syntactic you use the built-in way to handle things in a Lisp
2018-09-05T07:00:09Z Zipheir`: It's not a compiler feature, rather a separate tool for generating HTML/whatever docs.
2018-09-05T07:00:45Z ecraven: Zipheir`: why would the compiler *not* be interested in documentation?
2018-09-05T07:00:56Z ecraven: think about a world-like system, where you actually keep the documentation with the code
2018-09-05T07:00:56Z aeth: everyone has HTML generating for their docs
2018-09-05T07:01:26Z ecraven: I haven't seen any good reason why docstrings are a bad idea, but I can think of plenty why comments or special non-lisp syntax inside comments are...
2018-09-05T07:01:37Z aeth: The question imo is if the language should be able to access it. e.g. the function documentation in CL
2018-09-05T07:01:44Z ecraven: of course the syntax *inside* the docstring can be whatever, but it should just be a string for the compiler
2018-09-05T07:01:53Z ecraven: aeth: exactly, and the answer is *of course*!
2018-09-05T07:02:10Z aeth: I bet you could do it in Smalltalk
2018-09-05T07:02:16Z aeth: We're all really just catching up with Smalltalk
2018-09-05T07:02:26Z aeth: (In development environment, I mean)
2018-09-05T07:02:42Z ecraven: well, all the old lisps had docstrings, so the problem is that Scheme *dropped* them
2018-09-05T07:03:13Z Zipheir`: My argument against docstrings is that they pollute definitions with strings that don't actually affect the execution of the program.
2018-09-05T07:03:21Z aeth: ecraven: Scheme didn't drop them. Scheme just made them unspecified.
2018-09-05T07:03:58Z aeth: Zipheir`: That's a tool issue. Tools like cloc and editors like emacs etc. should be able to mark docstrings specially, perhaps as comments
2018-09-05T07:04:06Z ecraven: Zipheir`: well, function parameter names don't affect the execution, and still they are relevant *as documentation*!
2018-09-05T07:04:36Z ecraven: aeth: for functions, yes, but for variables, there is just no way to specify them
2018-09-05T07:05:12Z Zipheir`: aeth: You could make the same argument in defence of some really terrible design decisions.
2018-09-05T07:16:00Z Zipheir`: The main advantage that I can see in the comment-doc approach is that comments are already used as documentation, so it seems reasonable to parse some readable comment format into usable docs.
2018-09-05T07:16:43Z Zipheir`: In many cases, it just means writing better comments. No additional parameters for compilers and linters to worry about.
2018-09-05T07:16:54Z aeth: on the other hand, if docs are part of the language you can just generate them via the language itself
2018-09-05T07:17:01Z Zipheir`: But maybe this is really serving a different purpose from docstrings.
2018-09-05T07:17:18Z Zipheir`: True.
2018-09-05T07:18:34Z Zipheir`: But that does mean adding more complexity to a language spec.
2018-09-05T07:18:51Z Zipheir`: Scheme has probably done the smart thing here.
2018-09-05T07:19:08Z Zipheir`: i.e. do what you want, we don't specify it.
2018-09-05T07:23:38Z ecraven: how is that smart? if I use (define x 3 "foo"), that will just *not* work at all on most schemes
2018-09-05T07:23:45Z ecraven: so in effect, Scheme *forbids* this
2018-09-05T07:24:03Z ecraven: it would be different if rnrs said: "all arguments to define after the first two are ignored" or something to that effect
2018-09-05T07:25:34Z Zipheir`: It's still possible for FooScheme to implement docstrings without breaking compatibility.
2018-09-05T07:25:34Z aeth: yes, it's only unspecified for procedures
2018-09-05T07:25:55Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-05T07:26:16Z ecraven: Zipheir`: how?
2018-09-05T07:27:39Z Zipheir`: There is nothing in the spec that forbids such an extension.
2018-09-05T07:28:14Z ecraven: the point is, how do you write portable code that way?
2018-09-05T07:28:24Z ecraven: I don't want to create yet another dialect of scheme
2018-09-05T07:28:49Z Zipheir`: You don't, obviously.
2018-09-05T07:29:02Z ecraven: well, that's the point I was trying to make
2018-09-05T07:29:19Z ecraven: Scheme (RnRS) in effect *forbids* you from using that syntax for docstrings
2018-09-05T07:29:26Z Zipheir`: Leaving something unspecified is not the same thing as requiring all possible choices to be supported :-p
2018-09-05T07:29:33Z ecraven: (except for procedures, which are syntactically the same anyway)
2018-09-05T07:29:57Z ecraven: yes, but it doesn't help at all if you want to have *portable* code
2018-09-05T07:30:03Z Zipheir`: No kidding. :-)
2018-09-05T07:30:58Z ecraven: I've written enough implementation-specific code for my lifetime, I'd prefer to write portable code
2018-09-05T07:31:40Z ecraven: when writing r7rs-swank, I was surprised that *mostly*, this isn't even that hard
2018-09-05T07:31:48Z ecraven: support for the common srfis isn't so bad
2018-09-05T07:32:01Z ecraven: but there are some rough edges :-/
2018-09-05T07:47:20Z araujo quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-05T07:49:18Z aeth quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T07:49:38Z aeth joined #scheme
2018-09-05T07:52:46Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T07:58:21Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-05T08:14:21Z mange quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-05T08:23:39Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-05T08:35:45Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-05T08:37:22Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-05T08:43:35Z tessier quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-05T08:43:42Z tessier joined #scheme
2018-09-05T08:43:42Z tessier quit (Changing host)
2018-09-05T08:43:42Z tessier joined #scheme
2018-09-05T09:01:31Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T09:01:42Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T09:03:33Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-05T09:07:15Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-05T09:07:15Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-05T09:07:15Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-05T09:13:24Z quipa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T09:50:20Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-05T10:02:45Z daviid quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T10:03:07Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-05T10:15:54Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-05T10:24:13Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-05T10:25:10Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T10:25:10Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-05T10:58:38Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-05T10:59:23Z cowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:08:32Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:09:28Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-05T11:09:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:26:18Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T11:52:10Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:53:36Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T11:53:48Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:54:04Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T11:56:38Z eMBee quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T11:57:14Z eMBee joined #scheme
2018-09-05T12:02:04Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T12:04:29Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T12:06:33Z eMBee quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T12:11:36Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T12:12:23Z lockywolf_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T12:14:10Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T12:14:27Z eMBee joined #scheme
2018-09-05T12:16:33Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T13:06:02Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T13:08:50Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T13:12:43Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-05T13:15:47Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T13:21:56Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-05T13:22:36Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-05T13:22:55Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-05T13:52:47Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:02:39Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:07:27Z civodul quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T14:09:12Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:17:46Z ecraven: ;)
2018-09-05T14:21:44Z cowan_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-05T14:21:56Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:24:03Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T14:25:04Z ecraven: jcowan: do you perchance have any plans about docstrings for r7rs-large?
2018-09-05T14:25:24Z ecraven: (which might only mean mentioning that DEFINE has to at least ignore extra arguments)?
2018-09-05T14:26:12Z jcowan: I think it's too big a change.  You can already incorporate docstrings into lambda or (define (foo ...) ...) definitions.
2018-09-05T14:26:23Z ecraven: jcowan: yes, but not for values, just for procedures
2018-09-05T14:26:39Z ecraven: for example parameters might benefit from documentation
2018-09-05T14:26:41Z jcowan: But (define x "bad value of pi" 3.14) looks bogus to me
2018-09-05T14:26:52Z ecraven: I'd switch it, (define x 3.14 "foo")
2018-09-05T14:27:05Z ecraven: so everything after the 2nd argument should be ignored by non-supporting Schemes
2018-09-05T14:27:06Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T14:27:14Z jcowan: That would be inconsistent with the behavior of lambda/let/et
2018-09-05T14:27:38Z ecraven: how is define consistent with let?
2018-09-05T14:28:02Z jcowan: Let and lambda have implicit begin
2018-09-05T14:28:20Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:28:24Z jcowan: You could have a macro doc-define that expands into (define x (begin "doctoring" value))
2018-09-05T14:28:25Z ecraven: are you touching the module system? maybe there could be a way to add documentation at the module export boundary
2018-09-05T14:29:06Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T14:29:15Z jcowan: https://bitbucket.org/cowan/r7rs-wg1-infra/src/default/LibraryDeclarationsCowan.md
2018-09-05T14:29:24Z ecraven: I'd just love *some* way to keep documentation with the runtime, and not as just comments
2018-09-05T14:29:34Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:30:10Z ecraven: so something like (export (documentation foo "doc for foo") (documentation bar "doc for bar")) might be added to that
2018-09-05T14:30:11Z ecraven: ?
2018-09-05T14:30:33Z ecraven: though that would separate the definition and the documentation, not something I'd actually like to have :-/
2018-09-05T14:39:58Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:40:59Z jcowan: The trouble with all these hacks is that while they look good in the source, they aren't going to be preserved at run time, particularly when dealing with compilers
2018-09-05T14:41:04Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T14:41:15Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:41:35Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:42:06Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-05T14:42:08Z jcowan: I think a better approach would be to have a doc module that understands a .ctags file
2018-09-05T14:42:25Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:42:42Z jcowan: which it uses to find the source of a particular identifier, and then look for ;;; comments before its definition and return them.
2018-09-05T14:43:58Z jcowan: Since the death of Interlisp, LIsp has been committed to the source-file representation of code, but we have almost no tools except Emacs to exploit it.
2018-09-05T14:46:30Z ecraven: jcowan: I am firmly of the opinion that keeping documentation in comments is not the right thing to do
2018-09-05T14:46:51Z ecraven: that's one of the few things I really envy CL for
2018-09-05T14:46:55Z jcowan: In that case I think you need a separate macro (doc foo "explains foo")
2018-09-05T14:47:24Z jcowan: which stashes the relationship in some runtime-accessible object
2018-09-05T14:47:32Z jcowan: however, it's not clear how that interacts with the module system
2018-09-05T14:47:42Z ecraven: indeed, but that's not what I'd *like* ;) but if all the other Schemers thing that (define name value documentation) is a bad idea, then I'll just have to live with that
2018-09-05T14:48:13Z jcowan: I think implementors would push back hard on tampering with define
2018-09-05T14:48:26Z ecraven: yea, I understand that too :-/
2018-09-05T14:48:48Z jcowan: empathy is one of the big requirements for a standardizer
2018-09-05T14:49:21Z ecraven: in a way, it's even ok that *values* cannot be documented, but at least *parameters* would be useful
2018-09-05T14:49:33Z ecraven: and if they are ever standardized, "classes" :D
2018-09-05T14:51:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T14:52:04Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T14:52:55Z jcowan: ecraven: Please explain to me why you think doc comments are such a bad idea.  Many languages use them, and Lisp has had a standard way of writing them for a long time.
2018-09-05T14:53:47Z ecraven: you cannot use the "normal" tools any longer to work with source code that includes relevant comments, as they are not read by READ
2018-09-05T14:54:03Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T14:55:17Z ecraven: to me, documentation is no different than for example parameter names of functions. they are *also* irrelevant to the execution, but they are very much relevant to the programmer.
2018-09-05T14:57:25Z ecraven: one of the things where I believe CL does much better than Scheme is in standardising introspection. making tools like SLIME or decent debuggers possible. for me, getting a function's documentation and getting its lambda list are not that different
2018-09-05T15:03:13Z gwatt: ecraven: http://termbin.com/eim5u
2018-09-05T15:03:18Z ecraven: I'd rather be inspired by Smalltalk in this than by Haskell or C++
2018-09-05T15:03:53Z ecraven: gwatt: hehe, is that something you wrote now or something you already had?
2018-09-05T15:03:59Z gwatt: just noe
2018-09-05T15:04:02Z ecraven: thanks ;)
2018-09-05T15:07:35Z gwatt: ecraven: and if you want to go off the deep end, you can check out ChezWEB: https://github.com/arcfide/ChezWEB
2018-09-05T15:13:15Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T15:16:41Z ecraven: gwatt: the main problem remaining is that any code using this will be inherently non-portable
2018-09-05T15:16:49Z gwatt: oh for sure.
2018-09-05T15:17:10Z gwatt: That'w why I don't like WEB systems
2018-09-05T15:17:19Z ecraven: I "just" want other Schemes to ignore the third parameter to DEFINE :-/
2018-09-05T15:18:16Z gwatt: well, you can distribute the library and use it. It should work with r6rs schemes
2018-09-05T15:24:04Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T15:25:35Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T15:27:07Z lockywolf__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T15:28:40Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T15:30:47Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T15:32:29Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-05T15:32:52Z ecraven: shouldn't be hard to implement it for others with cond-expand
2018-09-05T15:36:28Z ecraven: I'm really grateful for cond-expand and case-lambda in r7rs!
2018-09-05T15:37:18Z ecraven: even though I haven't figured out yet how to properly deal with case-lambda in my SLIME :-/ emacs doesn't send the actual expression, I only get the function name, so I cannot show the "correct" matching parameter list
2018-09-05T15:42:27Z gwatt: I think it will be difficult to implement for r7rs. You need procedural macros, or syntax-rules knows about guards
2018-09-05T15:48:11Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T15:55:24Z ecraven: even if you can't implement it generically, you can implement it via cond-expand for each specific Scheme
2018-09-05T15:56:04Z IstiCusi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T16:14:42Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:29:07Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:30:46Z ecraven: new run up: https://ecraven.github.io/r7rs-benchmarks/index.html
2018-09-05T16:30:59Z ecraven: need to fix gerbil, my current setup doesn't compile it (some problem with the underlying gambit)
2018-09-05T16:33:14Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:34:13Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T16:36:32Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:38:47Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T16:42:57Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T16:43:54Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:48:41Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:50:52Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T16:54:47Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:55:08Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T16:56:02Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T16:56:26Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:01:41Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:03:02Z ngz quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-05T17:03:29Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:03:53Z Guest80911 joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:08:33Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:12:08Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T17:12:25Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T17:14:13Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:16:27Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T17:26:51Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:28:56Z Guest80911 quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-05T17:40:26Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:49:56Z Zipheir`: ecraven: I still don't think I understand the advantage of "keeping the documentation with the runtime". What is the runtime going to do with it, spit out the docstring di when function fi blows up?
2018-09-05T17:52:11Z gwatt: potentially
2018-09-05T17:53:39Z gwatt: or if you're working in the repl and are unfamiliar with the function, you can ask the runtime about the function instead of having to rtfm
2018-09-05T17:53:39Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T17:53:56Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:54:05Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-05T17:54:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-05T17:55:24Z Zipheir`: gwatt: Good point, I hadn't thought about interactive debugging.
2018-09-05T17:59:34Z Zipheir`: And obviously, this is the major reason for which Emacs is self-documenting.
2018-09-05T18:01:02Z ecraven: Zipheir`: help me in writing code, by showing the documentation automatically
2018-09-05T18:01:18Z ecraven: Zipheir`: exactly, I want my Scheme development to be like elisp or CL development
2018-09-05T18:01:38Z ecraven: of course, a pure compiling Scheme won't ever need this, but why should we prevent other Schemes from doing this :-/
2018-09-05T18:03:56Z Zipheir`: Hmm. It does seem that the same results could and have been achieved with a comment-doc system.
2018-09-05T18:07:20Z ecraven: indeed, but it is harder to achieve, as you need to not only parse code but also comments
2018-09-05T18:07:36Z ecraven: think of your editor allowing you to edit the function definition. it needs to also show you the relevant comments
2018-09-05T18:07:57Z wasamasa: the CHICKEN version of read syntax for docstrings is iffy because it requires loading up the extension at compilation time
2018-09-05T18:14:37Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:15:31Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T18:16:38Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T18:17:06Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:18:51Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T18:19:37Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:20:01Z jcowan: gwatt, ecraven: the problem is that whereas in CL, identifiers are a subset of symbols, this is not true in modern Schemes
2018-09-05T18:20:06Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T18:20:19Z jcowan: there simply is no runtime analogue of identifiers
2018-09-05T18:20:54Z jcowan:  except in psyntax systems, where I suppose #`foo is the equivalent
2018-09-05T18:21:04Z jcowan: not that I really understand syntax-case
2018-09-05T18:21:05Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:21:43Z gwatt: you can't portable operate on syntax objects outside of the handful of standard functions
2018-09-05T18:23:40Z gwatt: but in the quick 'n dirty library I linked earlier I just stored the identifier as a symbol in a hash table.
2018-09-05T18:25:38Z jcowan: right, which means if the same symbol appears in source form in another module, it will collide
2018-09-05T18:26:19Z jcowan: so to make it work you have to give the module name and the symbol, because rename-on-import will not affect the behavior of your library
2018-09-05T18:26:56Z gwatt: well, if I gave up the hashtable and used an assocation list I could probably use syntax objects
2018-09-05T18:27:30Z jcowan: it's a pity that module expansion doesn't have a way to expose the current module name
2018-09-05T18:27:53Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:27:59Z jcowan: you can't even hard-code it, because (as I commonly do) the actual source file might be included in more than one module
2018-09-05T18:32:57Z jcowan quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-05T18:39:03Z gwatt: Ok, if I use an association list I can compare using free-identifier=? instead of symbol=? allowing this to track identifiers across renames, and means that if you ask about an ambiguous identifier, you'll get the documentation for the correct thing.
2018-09-05T18:46:07Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-05T18:46:17Z klovett quit
2018-09-05T19:00:40Z Guest3902 joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:10:47Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T19:11:27Z rotty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T19:15:30Z Guest3902 left #scheme
2018-09-05T19:18:05Z rotty joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:19:20Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T19:21:21Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T19:21:51Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:27:50Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:29:45Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T19:30:39Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:31:07Z jlongster joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:32:45Z jlongster quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-05T19:41:40Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:41:47Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T19:44:15Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:49:19Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:51:44Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-05T19:53:33Z terpri quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T19:54:00Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-05T19:59:51Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T19:59:57Z cortisol quit
2018-09-05T20:09:26Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:10:18Z niklasl2 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
2018-09-05T20:10:39Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:11:02Z niklasl left #scheme
2018-09-05T20:12:06Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:19:36Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:36:39Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:39:51Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-05T20:43:48Z pjb: Zipheir`: have a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ
2018-09-05T20:44:30Z pjb: Zipheir`: here, it was the orginal programmers who debugged it (they still had a test system locally). But imagine you have to debug the same thing in 200 years…
2018-09-05T20:44:52Z pjb: Zipheir`: imagine you have to maintain any system even 30 years old!  Banks are running COBOL programs they don't have the sources anymore!
2018-09-05T20:45:01Z pjb: (let alone the documentation!)
2018-09-05T20:45:19Z pjb: http://ibmmainframes.com/about23657.html
2018-09-05T20:45:54Z pjb: http://www.longpelaexpertise.com.au/ezine/LostSource.php
2018-09-05T20:45:59Z pjb: There's a whole cottage industry…
2018-09-05T20:46:18Z pjb: (this is why lisp is not used, those cottage industry can't develop in this ecosystem).
2018-09-05T20:54:34Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-05T20:59:13Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:06:12Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:08:28Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:11:26Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:13:41Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:16:31Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-05T21:21:18Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:21:44Z Kkiro quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:23:54Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:26:07Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:29:31Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:29:31Z Kkiro quit (Changing host)
2018-09-05T21:29:31Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:30:21Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-05T21:30:23Z erkin quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T21:36:10Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T21:37:59Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:42:28Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T21:44:24Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T21:45:56Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-05T21:48:09Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T21:48:37Z Zipheir`: pjb: Watching that talk now. Thanks, it's really interesting thus far.
2018-09-05T21:54:41Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-05T21:56:20Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-05T21:56:32Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-05T22:02:17Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-05T22:04:20Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-05T22:07:28Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-05T22:19:27Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T22:48:35Z klovett quit
2018-09-05T22:48:47Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-05T22:55:06Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T22:56:40Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-05T23:05:43Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-05T23:09:27Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-05T23:11:40Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-05T23:11:46Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-05T23:18:57Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-05T23:24:00Z mthl joined #scheme
2018-09-05T23:37:57Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:03:49Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T00:04:28Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:10:02Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:10:46Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:13:23Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T00:14:04Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-06T00:15:05Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:23:35Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:27:47Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:36:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:37:31Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:38:18Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:39:49Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-06T00:59:31Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T01:02:08Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:08:55Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:18:28Z jonaslund_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:19:25Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-06T01:20:18Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T01:26:20Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T01:27:04Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T01:27:23Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:39:15Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:42:42Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-06T01:54:26Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T01:58:28Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:08:16Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T02:08:53Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T02:09:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:10:23Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:16:53Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T02:20:28Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:27:52Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T02:30:22Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-06T02:31:06Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-06T02:33:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:40:45Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-06T02:41:21Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T02:44:04Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:47:12Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T02:56:52Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T02:59:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T02:59:52Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:00:05Z lockywolf quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-06T03:01:42Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:05:24Z PyroLagus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:06:02Z abbe quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:08:18Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:10:02Z abbe joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:12:10Z PyroLagus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:14:49Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-06T03:15:07Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:15:56Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:24:06Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:24:50Z dpk quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:25:13Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:30:09Z dpk joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:30:10Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:37:49Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:38:20Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T03:39:13Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:54:49Z mthl quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T03:57:33Z PyroLagus_ quit (Quit: ZNC / WeeChat)
2018-09-06T03:57:49Z PyroLagus joined #scheme
2018-09-06T03:59:12Z PyroLagus is now known as PyroLagus_
2018-09-06T03:59:19Z PyroLagus_ is now known as PyroLagus
2018-09-06T04:03:17Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-06T04:06:36Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-06T04:17:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T04:21:38Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-06T04:25:51Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T04:40:15Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-06T04:42:39Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-06T05:01:24Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T05:02:01Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-06T05:12:00Z jonaslund_ is now known as jonaslund
2018-09-06T05:17:33Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T05:19:20Z lloda quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T05:21:58Z atateno joined #scheme
2018-09-06T05:22:30Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T05:28:04Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-06T05:31:06Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-06T05:35:37Z lloda joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:05:32Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:06:47Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:18:30Z iskander joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:20:39Z terpri quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T06:28:33Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:33:04Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-06T06:33:34Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-06T06:39:23Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-06T07:49:47Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-06T08:02:12Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T08:14:56Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-06T08:15:55Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T08:19:14Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T08:22:27Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-06T08:52:14Z kjak quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-06T08:53:59Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-06T08:58:19Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-06T09:01:36Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T09:05:27Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-06T09:05:56Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-06T09:16:42Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T09:19:33Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T09:41:06Z atateno quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-06T09:53:00Z m1dnight_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T09:54:18Z Guest53105__ quit
2018-09-06T09:54:42Z hook54321 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T10:59:22Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T11:33:37Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-06T11:47:05Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:05:16Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T12:05:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:11:43Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T12:14:40Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:26:27Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:32:01Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:37:43Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T12:38:20Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T12:40:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T12:45:04Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:09:36Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-06T13:24:48Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T13:25:29Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:25:29Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-06T13:36:12Z iskander quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T13:40:12Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:43:06Z iskander joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:46:26Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:50:11Z IstiCusi quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-06T13:51:06Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:51:48Z nordstrom quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T13:51:50Z yumh quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-06T13:52:16Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T13:52:33Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:54:18Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:55:41Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:58:09Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T13:59:55Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-06T14:00:59Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T14:01:30Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-06T14:13:17Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-06T14:13:37Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-06T14:21:07Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-06T14:33:28Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-06T14:33:46Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-06T14:45:37Z mhd2018 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:11:19Z emar quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-06T15:11:30Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:11:43Z mhd2018 quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-06T15:13:23Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:21:41Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:26:00Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:26:58Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:31:18Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-06T15:36:10Z klovett quit
2018-09-06T15:39:04Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-06T15:48:37Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T16:00:31Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-06T16:00:51Z Zipheir` quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-06T16:17:21Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T16:29:22Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-06T16:37:57Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-06T16:48:25Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-06T16:56:38Z nlyy joined #scheme
2018-09-06T16:57:33Z nlyy: I am following along with this scheme talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyfBQmvr2Hc
2018-09-06T16:58:13Z nlyy: But the author imported some "pmatch.scm" at 29:00 mark, with no link in the description for the file
2018-09-06T16:59:02Z nlyy: Does somebody know what the "pmatch" (pattern match?) procedure might be?
2018-09-06T16:59:29Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-06T17:04:46Z wasamasa: or portable match
2018-09-06T17:05:06Z wasamasa: there are some pattern matching thingies for scheme, like the one CHICKEN's matchable is derived from
2018-09-06T17:05:24Z wasamasa: https://www.cs.indiana.edu/cgi-pub/lkuper/b521/resources
2018-09-06T17:05:44Z wasamasa: so, who's holding the talk, mr. dybvig?
2018-09-06T17:06:16Z nlyy: It's William Byrd on "The Most Beautiful Program Ever Written" [PWL NYC]
2018-09-06T17:06:18Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T17:06:43Z nlyy: He's gonna show how to write an interpreter
2018-09-06T17:07:31Z nlyy: I'm gonna go with this https://www.cs.indiana.edu/cgi-pub/lkuper/b521/_media/pmatch.scm, see if it works
2018-09-06T17:08:02Z nlyy: what would be the quickest way to import it into emacs repl?
2018-09-06T17:09:03Z wasamasa: your scheme probably supports the load procedure, so use that with a path to the file
2018-09-06T17:10:58Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-06T17:12:33Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T17:12:48Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-06T17:13:10Z nly: Thanks wasamasa :)
2018-09-06T17:13:32Z wasamasa: I wouldn't be surprised if the scheme repl mode supports a keybind to send such a form
2018-09-06T17:14:09Z wasamasa: ah indeed, try C-c C-l
2018-09-06T17:14:15Z nlyy quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-06T17:14:27Z wasamasa: this works in both the repl and every scheme buffer after it's been enabled
2018-09-06T17:20:07Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-06T17:33:16Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-06T17:41:12Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-06T18:05:08Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-06T18:17:21Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-06T18:28:31Z duncanm: la la la
2018-09-06T18:34:00Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-06T18:45:30Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-06T18:58:36Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T18:58:44Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:05:31Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-06T19:26:25Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:38:05Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-06T19:40:46Z bsund joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:48:33Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T19:51:06Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:51:43Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:52:55Z badkins__ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T19:53:04Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-06T19:53:06Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-06T19:55:55Z badkins_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T19:57:16Z mhd2018 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:03:31Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:08:23Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-06T20:11:31Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:13:25Z pjb quit (Quit: good night)
2018-09-06T20:13:41Z klovett quit
2018-09-06T20:19:32Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:22:27Z ArneBab_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:22:27Z ArneBab_ quit (Changing host)
2018-09-06T20:22:27Z ArneBab_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:26:15Z ArneBab quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-06T20:28:25Z epony quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T20:40:58Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:45:58Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T20:46:19Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T20:47:48Z InverseRhombus quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T20:50:26Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T20:50:55Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-06T20:59:52Z erkin quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T21:01:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T21:02:10Z kwmiebach quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T21:02:32Z erratic quit (Quit: this server has gone to sleep)
2018-09-06T21:02:43Z physpi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T21:02:43Z sz0 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T21:03:29Z sz0 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:03:43Z physpi joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:03:46Z kwmiebach joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:04:43Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:10:20Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:10:28Z mhd2018 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-06T21:14:36Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:39:16Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-06T21:41:51Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T22:01:24Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-06T22:02:46Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T22:11:12Z ngz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T22:21:08Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T22:21:52Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-06T22:22:21Z atateno joined #scheme
2018-09-06T22:33:33Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T22:35:37Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-06T22:38:54Z bsund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-06T22:45:29Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T22:49:09Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-06T22:57:17Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-06T23:07:26Z terpri quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-06T23:08:42Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-06T23:10:29Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T23:10:32Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-06T23:19:47Z Guest53 joined #scheme
2018-09-06T23:20:37Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-06T23:21:36Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-06T23:24:00Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-06T23:33:24Z hugo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-06T23:38:20Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-06T23:45:54Z Guest53 left #scheme
2018-09-06T23:48:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-06T23:48:12Z hugo joined #scheme
2018-09-06T23:55:33Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T00:07:02Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T00:26:30Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T00:45:35Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-07T00:45:58Z daviid is now known as Guest70811
2018-09-07T00:46:03Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T00:46:26Z Guest70811 is now known as daviid
2018-09-07T00:51:48Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T00:52:42Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T00:58:03Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:01:29Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:06:08Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-07T01:06:16Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:09:06Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:09:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T01:14:09Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T01:21:04Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:22:13Z robotoad quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
2018-09-07T01:22:23Z daviid quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T01:24:42Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:24:51Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:37:33Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-07T01:40:28Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T02:00:46Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:02:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:03:20Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-07T02:04:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:13:34Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T02:13:34Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T02:16:18Z badkins__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T02:26:56Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-07T02:32:31Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:37:18Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:41:20Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:48:26Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T02:49:26Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:54:31Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T02:57:30Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-07T02:58:53Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T02:59:20Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-07T02:59:21Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-07T03:02:52Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:08:33Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T03:09:01Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:16:51Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T03:32:09Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:33:57Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:33:57Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-07T03:33:57Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:40:01Z mrush quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T03:40:04Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:41:58Z m_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T03:48:54Z mario-goulart quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T03:57:31Z m_ quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-07T04:02:47Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T04:38:10Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T04:57:03Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-07T04:57:59Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T05:15:20Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T05:21:28Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-07T05:21:53Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-07T05:30:50Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-07T05:42:07Z mario-goulart joined #scheme
2018-09-07T05:48:19Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T05:49:52Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T05:51:43Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T05:53:38Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T05:59:34Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:00:09Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T06:04:05Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:09:10Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-07T06:15:12Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:17:06Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T06:20:26Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T06:21:04Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:25:14Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T06:26:08Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:36:49Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:38:48Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T06:43:01Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T06:58:25Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T07:16:26Z nly: wasamasa: hello :)
2018-09-07T07:17:21Z nly: I couldn't try (load "pmatch.scm") yesterday
2018-09-07T07:18:28Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-07T07:18:37Z nlyy joined #scheme
2018-09-07T07:24:36Z nlyy: This is the error that pops up: https://paste.cczu.org/p/xEc9ttgR and here is the comment at line 42: ; _ can't be listed in literals list in R6RS Scheme
2018-09-07T07:36:20Z ecraven: yes, chez won't allow you to use _
2018-09-07T07:36:22Z ecraven: use __ instead
2018-09-07T07:36:25Z ecraven: or something else
2018-09-07T07:46:42Z wasamasa: that's quite silly
2018-09-07T07:55:25Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-07T08:25:08Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T08:38:30Z nly: Ooh, thanks a bunch!
2018-09-07T08:41:02Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T08:41:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T08:46:11Z nlyy quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-07T09:01:28Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T09:06:09Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-07T09:18:11Z yumh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T09:22:16Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-07T09:41:22Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-07T09:55:55Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-07T09:56:06Z amz3`: https://julesh.com/2017/04/22/on-compositionality/
2018-09-07T10:01:31Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-07T10:14:06Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T10:35:41Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T10:55:28Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T11:00:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:22:35Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T11:22:55Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:29:23Z reverse_light quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T11:30:51Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-07T11:37:45Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:41:48Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:45:24Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T11:45:44Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T11:46:01Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:53:12Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T11:53:39Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:55:34Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:57:29Z pie___ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T11:59:24Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:00:52Z pie__ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T12:16:21Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T12:20:35Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:21:17Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:30:44Z averell quit (Quit: .)
2018-09-07T12:33:56Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T12:34:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:42:12Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T12:43:31Z Inline_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:44:20Z Inline_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T12:44:49Z Inline_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:45:07Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T12:45:34Z Chream joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:45:43Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:56:51Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-07T12:58:21Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T13:00:16Z reverse_light joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:05:26Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-07T13:08:34Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T13:16:43Z Chream quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T13:16:58Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T13:20:20Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:22:07Z jao quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T13:29:56Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:38:26Z averell joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:44:28Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T13:49:20Z TCZ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:55:53Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T13:56:47Z TCZ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-07T14:06:59Z jonaslund_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:09:27Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:09:51Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:09:53Z jonaslund_ is now known as jonaslund
2018-09-07T14:12:38Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:17:58Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:27:13Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:40:27Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:41:23Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:42:27Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:43:16Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:46:08Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:46:51Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:47:04Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:47:23Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:48:21Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T14:54:13Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T14:54:33Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:55:23Z blackwolf joined #scheme
2018-09-07T14:59:04Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:03:43Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:10:29Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:15:33Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T15:16:24Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T15:16:32Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:18:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:21:38Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T15:22:12Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:35:42Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T15:51:27Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:53:33Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-07T15:58:31Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T15:59:43Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-07T16:13:48Z amz3` quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T16:21:37Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T16:22:43Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T16:23:50Z Inline_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-07T16:24:36Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:24:57Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:25:57Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T16:26:15Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:26:57Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:27:50Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T16:28:19Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:28:51Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-07T16:29:55Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:40:42Z yumh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-07T16:51:26Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:55:44Z thetemplar quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-07T16:57:34Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-07T16:59:46Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-07T17:25:42Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T17:27:31Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T17:30:50Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-07T17:31:29Z ijp-znc quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-07T17:33:27Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T17:33:43Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T17:41:39Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-07T17:43:23Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-07T17:45:27Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T17:57:58Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T18:00:00Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T18:03:45Z klovett quit
2018-09-07T18:07:36Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:09:54Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:10:17Z massma quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-07T18:10:45Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:10:45Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-07T18:10:45Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:23:08Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T18:23:27Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:23:51Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:33:16Z justinethier joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:33:49Z justinethier: ecraven: Thanks for doing a new run of the benchmarks!
2018-09-07T18:34:01Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:34:46Z justinethier: ecraven: I was wondering if something is different in your environment now, though? I noticed Cyclone failed chudnovsky but that one is running fine on my systems. Am curious what is going on there...
2018-09-07T18:36:26Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:46:31Z leppie joined #scheme
2018-09-07T18:51:37Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:08:47Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-07T19:16:42Z justinethier quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T19:17:07Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-07T19:26:27Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T19:30:06Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:32:11Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T19:32:28Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:33:01Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:39:26Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T19:39:48Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:41:11Z cortisol quit
2018-09-07T19:42:01Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:42:44Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:45:47Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-07T19:47:08Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T19:51:01Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:00:13Z justinethier joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:04:48Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T20:08:09Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:17:17Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T20:24:13Z pie___ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T20:26:03Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:42:05Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:45:11Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T20:47:07Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-07T20:47:32Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-07T20:54:03Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:02:07Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T21:12:43Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:18:00Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-07T21:32:29Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-07T21:36:18Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T21:39:24Z justinethier quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-07T21:40:21Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:40:51Z widp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T21:45:03Z yumh quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T21:50:25Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:53:25Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T21:53:59Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:57:09Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-07T21:57:34Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T22:00:27Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T22:01:33Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T22:03:24Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:08:58Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-07T22:11:17Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:13:16Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:13:22Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-07T22:17:06Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-07T22:17:29Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:17:58Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-07T22:20:21Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:22:42Z blackwolf quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.3.1))
2018-09-07T22:26:58Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:48:15Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-07T22:56:03Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-07T23:00:51Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-07T23:07:12Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T23:07:16Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-07T23:09:26Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-07T23:10:17Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T23:12:06Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:12:11Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-07T23:25:19Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-07T23:25:27Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T23:26:24Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:31:06Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:32:24Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:33:13Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:37:34Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-07T23:43:32Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:43:37Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-07T23:54:05Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-08T00:13:29Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T00:14:57Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T00:23:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T00:25:05Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T00:25:51Z robotoad quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
2018-09-08T00:31:42Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-08T00:35:40Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-08T00:38:55Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T00:45:55Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T00:48:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T01:07:03Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-08T01:25:01Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T01:30:03Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T01:38:02Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T01:48:59Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-08T01:52:21Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T01:54:11Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-08T02:10:45Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-08T02:20:10Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T02:32:12Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T02:32:33Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-08T02:38:13Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T02:38:31Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-08T02:42:24Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T02:42:32Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-08T02:59:39Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T03:10:42Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T03:20:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T03:59:12Z mrush joined #scheme
2018-09-08T04:24:24Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T04:32:08Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T04:32:56Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T04:41:48Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-08T04:48:42Z sbadger joined #scheme
2018-09-08T04:57:13Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-08T04:57:34Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T05:00:28Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T05:22:17Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T05:22:24Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-08T05:24:44Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T05:31:21Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-08T05:40:34Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-08T05:42:23Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-08T06:06:43Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T06:07:45Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T06:08:38Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-08T06:08:38Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-08T06:08:38Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-08T06:12:58Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T06:33:08Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-08T06:43:20Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-08T06:55:32Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T07:02:39Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T07:14:02Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-08T07:14:48Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T07:20:24Z Maamre joined #scheme
2018-09-08T07:32:05Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-08T07:37:36Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-08T07:55:15Z widp joined #scheme
2018-09-08T07:56:16Z lritter quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-08T08:04:05Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T08:05:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T08:09:53Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T08:15:58Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T08:34:35Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-08T08:35:20Z TheGreekOwl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T08:48:53Z Maamre left #scheme
2018-09-08T09:02:26Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T09:04:50Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-08T09:15:54Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-08T10:22:13Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-08T10:30:13Z pjb` quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1))
2018-09-08T10:30:38Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-08T10:44:13Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T10:53:19Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T10:54:33Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T10:55:04Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T11:03:40Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-08T11:03:41Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-08T11:08:15Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T11:21:27Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T11:31:03Z kori quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T11:37:54Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T11:42:42Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T11:52:00Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T11:54:31Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:00:41Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:03:57Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T12:05:59Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-08T12:07:03Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:07:27Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T12:08:41Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:23:57Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T12:26:16Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T12:36:32Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:38:48Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:41:34Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T12:43:53Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:48:51Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-08T12:49:56Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-08T13:00:14Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:07:10Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T13:10:53Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:12:05Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T13:16:56Z keutoi joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:17:20Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-08T13:17:47Z keutoi quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T13:17:59Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:27:03Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:33:09Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T13:36:12Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:37:33Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T13:40:51Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T13:50:32Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:51:12Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T13:52:31Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T13:55:42Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T14:06:12Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:10:33Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T14:14:40Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T14:17:14Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:20:26Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T14:21:11Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:30:39Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:30:49Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-08T14:36:02Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:45:03Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:53:35Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:53:35Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-08T14:53:35Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-08T14:59:59Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T15:17:17Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T15:17:29Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T15:22:26Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T15:28:07Z nordstrom quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.6+deb1ubuntu0.1 - http://znc.in)
2018-09-08T15:33:23Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-08T15:46:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T15:59:25Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:05:41Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:10:37Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:11:12Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:16:09Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:18:04Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T16:22:29Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T16:25:59Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T16:26:37Z ecraven: I'll investigate
2018-09-08T16:27:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:36:05Z groovy2shoes quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-08T16:38:50Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:40:48Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:48:23Z averell quit (Quit: .)
2018-09-08T16:54:26Z averell joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:55:01Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-08T16:55:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-08T16:57:58Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T17:00:30Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:03:54Z nly left #scheme
2018-09-08T17:06:16Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:10:42Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T17:19:45Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T17:20:11Z Ziv quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-08T17:36:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:40:57Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T17:43:39Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:48:16Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-08T17:48:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:51:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T17:55:48Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:03:35Z jim quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-08T18:04:24Z fgudin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:04:26Z jim joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:04:57Z jim quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-08T18:06:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:10:28Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:14:16Z jim joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:17:17Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:21:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:25:27Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:25:42Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T18:27:10Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:29:12Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T18:30:52Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:36:04Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:40:42Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:41:38Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:46:49Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:51:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T18:55:31Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:56:38Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T18:59:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T19:05:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:06:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:10:35Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:11:04Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:20:36Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:21:07Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:25:28Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:26:36Z kjak quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:27:27Z emar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:36:07Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:40:27Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:43:10Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T19:44:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:47:57Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:51:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T19:55:42Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T19:56:43Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:06:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T20:11:14Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:21:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T20:25:34Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:25:39Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:36:09Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T20:39:13Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:40:30Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:42:28Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-08T20:49:52Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:51:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T20:51:10Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T20:54:56Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:55:54Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T20:57:38Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:06:07Z Mayoi joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:06:09Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:09:31Z widp quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-08T21:10:45Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T21:16:33Z Mayoi quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying...)
2018-09-08T21:16:51Z Mayoi joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:21:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:25:36Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T21:25:59Z fgudin joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:30:57Z marusich joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:31:20Z Mayoi is now known as erkin
2018-09-08T21:36:08Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:40:27Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T21:51:09Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:52:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T21:56:57Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-08T21:58:00Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-08T22:01:36Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-08T22:30:26Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-08T22:46:26Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-08T22:48:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-08T23:03:25Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-08T23:14:47Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-08T23:22:17Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-08T23:29:23Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-08T23:29:24Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-08T23:53:30Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-08T23:54:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T00:05:34Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T00:06:18Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T00:15:39Z jcowan quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T00:16:41Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T00:19:19Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-09T00:31:37Z marusich quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T00:48:56Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T00:52:06Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T01:10:57Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T01:17:36Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-09T01:23:38Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-09T01:33:08Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-09T01:37:54Z justinethier joined #scheme
2018-09-09T01:49:59Z justinethier: ecraven: sounds good, thank you
2018-09-09T02:00:55Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-09T02:04:59Z pie_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T02:11:44Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T02:11:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-09T02:12:40Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-09T02:18:37Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-09T02:25:37Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T02:26:57Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-09T03:04:30Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T03:04:56Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-09T03:31:07Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T03:36:50Z justinethier quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-09T03:44:23Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T03:49:46Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T03:50:21Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T03:51:07Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-09T03:56:11Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:03:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T04:04:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:17:30Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:27:38Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:28:13Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:28:24Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T04:30:36Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:30:52Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-09T04:31:10Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:31:24Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T04:33:06Z daviid quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T04:47:29Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:47:53Z daviid is now known as Guest31072
2018-09-09T04:48:10Z Guest31072 is now known as daviid
2018-09-09T04:51:47Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-09T04:52:06Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:55:07Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T04:57:48Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T05:03:51Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T05:07:36Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T05:11:43Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T05:13:36Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T05:17:09Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T05:21:39Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T06:15:48Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T06:17:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T06:26:13Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-09T06:26:32Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-09T06:27:27Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T06:30:50Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T06:31:52Z ski joined #scheme
2018-09-09T06:34:59Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-09T06:35:10Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T06:50:40Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-09T06:59:39Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:09:37Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:10:15Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T07:16:19Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-09T07:16:23Z lockywolf_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T07:16:43Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:20:57Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:22:06Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T07:24:13Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:43:17Z Maamre joined #scheme
2018-09-09T07:46:05Z Maamre left #scheme
2018-09-09T08:02:21Z webshinra quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T08:07:32Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-09T08:10:06Z bds joined #scheme
2018-09-09T08:11:47Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T08:23:27Z bds quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T08:24:12Z rnacl joined #scheme
2018-09-09T08:56:09Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T09:01:34Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T09:02:00Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-09T09:09:39Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T09:19:34Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-09T09:21:44Z webshinra joined #scheme
2018-09-09T09:27:58Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T09:29:07Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-09T09:41:16Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T10:00:24Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-09T10:03:32Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:05:08Z lockywolf quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T10:05:35Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:16:53Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T10:31:51Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T10:34:07Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:35:30Z davl joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:43:04Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:43:07Z lockywolf quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T10:45:35Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T10:58:22Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T11:04:06Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:08:29Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T11:11:22Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:14:16Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:17:57Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:18:11Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:20:48Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T11:24:59Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:36:02Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-09T11:40:01Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T11:58:13Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-09T12:07:00Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T12:15:42Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-09T12:20:28Z Ziv quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-09T12:27:50Z reverse_light quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T12:32:19Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-09T12:40:27Z amz3 recommended scheme with biwascheme to get started programming on the fediverse
2018-09-09T12:40:30Z amz3: my job is done.
2018-09-09T12:41:16Z groovy2shoes quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T13:08:21Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-09T13:26:50Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T13:35:21Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T13:43:44Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T13:53:22Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T14:03:28Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T14:23:58Z lockywolf quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T14:24:21Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T14:24:24Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-09T14:31:52Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T14:34:13Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T14:37:30Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T14:47:24Z X-Scale quit (Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!)
2018-09-09T14:48:03Z IstiCusi_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T14:54:15Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T15:10:58Z IstiCusi_ quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-09T15:11:11Z IstiCusi_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T15:25:15Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T15:53:18Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-09T16:05:50Z epony quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T16:07:07Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-09T16:22:33Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T16:26:36Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T16:33:00Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T16:36:31Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T16:37:29Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T16:52:48Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T16:57:13Z mrush quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-09T17:02:07Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:03:46Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T17:05:23Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-09T17:05:42Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:08:33Z daidoji joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:11:17Z daidoji: hello, I'm new to scheme and I'm running through the SICP problems
2018-09-09T17:11:39Z daidoji: and one exercise calls for code from the old exercises so I thought I'd try and figure out how load works
2018-09-09T17:11:55Z daidoji: and I got the code from the old exercises to load into the new ones fine, but it also prints out all the results from the old file
2018-09-09T17:12:26Z daidoji: and I can't quite figure out how to define load-noisily? so that all those results aren't printed out when I load the old exercises
2018-09-09T17:12:32Z daidoji: can anyone help me with that?
2018-09-09T17:12:43Z daidoji: it
2018-09-09T17:14:46Z qu1j0t3: daidoji: i usually just comment out the old  print statements. Also I recommend using version control for all exercises
2018-09-09T17:16:35Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T17:19:03Z amz3: +1
2018-09-09T17:19:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:19:59Z daidoji: qu1j0t3: yeah I could do that and I am using git to store my exercises
2018-09-09T17:20:25Z daidoji: I just saw this and thought it might help me, even though its for gnu-scheme I think https://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Loading-Files.html
2018-09-09T17:20:33Z daidoji: oh wait, that's mit-scheme just hosted at gnu.org
2018-09-09T17:23:30Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T17:24:32Z daidoji: it seems like if I just set that variable then it should load without printing everything out
2018-09-09T17:30:39Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T17:30:45Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:31:31Z daidoji: oh I use (set!... I didn't know about that
2018-09-09T17:31:55Z daidoji: oh that didn't work either
2018-09-09T17:33:03Z daidoji: I guess that doesn't work if I'm calling (display?? is that right?
2018-09-09T17:34:48Z m1dnight_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T17:35:16Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:38:19Z bars0 joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:43:44Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T17:44:39Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-09T17:48:44Z amz3: you can use a environment variable
2018-09-09T17:48:53Z amz3: to know which part to execute
2018-09-09T17:49:23Z amz3: like: DEBUG=foo scheme foo.scm
2018-09-09T17:49:34Z amz3: then in 'foo.scm' and other modules
2018-09-09T17:50:21Z amz3: you can use something like : (when (equal? "module-name" (getenv "DEBUG")) (display ...) ...)
2018-09-09T17:50:27Z amz3: daidoji:
2018-09-09T17:58:30Z daidoji: amz3: ahhh, I see.  Thanks.
2018-09-09T18:09:34Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T18:10:46Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-09T18:20:24Z daidoji: \q
2018-09-09T18:20:26Z daidoji quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)
2018-09-09T18:32:27Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-09T18:35:39Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T18:35:41Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T18:46:14Z Zipheir: Pfft. According to _The Land Of Lisp_, Schemers are sheep.
2018-09-09T18:47:04Z wasamasa: and clojure users are wolfs in sheep clothing
2018-09-09T18:48:19Z Zipheir: Yeah. What a weird choice of metaphor.
2018-09-09T18:48:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T18:50:24Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T19:04:19Z pjb: Land of Lisp is just a funny book, don't take it seriously.
2018-09-09T19:04:43Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-09T19:05:03Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:06:05Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:10:05Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:10:50Z Zipheir: pjb: I don't. :-)
2018-09-09T19:11:43Z bars0 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T19:12:37Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:16:00Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T19:38:15Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:39:55Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:41:49Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:42:47Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-09T19:43:51Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-09T19:50:41Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-09T19:58:37Z sbadger quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T20:15:35Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-09T20:15:49Z IstiCusi_ quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-09T20:17:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-09T20:23:50Z webshinra quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T20:37:45Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-09T20:43:38Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-09T20:48:48Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T20:55:07Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T20:58:16Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T21:00:04Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-09T21:01:13Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T21:07:53Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-09T21:10:38Z ski joined #scheme
2018-09-09T21:12:59Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-09T21:13:21Z rnacl quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T21:16:09Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T21:17:50Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-09T21:34:33Z CrazyLazyDazy joined #scheme
2018-09-09T21:34:46Z CrazyLazyDazy quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T21:35:14Z CrazyLazyDazy joined #scheme
2018-09-09T21:42:00Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T21:50:58Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-09T21:59:26Z kjak quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-09T22:01:19Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:04:03Z burzos joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:06:54Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:07:28Z burzos: I want to write a kernel module in scheme for Linux.  My plan right now is to transpile scheme to C then integrate the C source file with the kernel build system.  Which scheme compiler should I use?
2018-09-09T22:08:06Z InverseRhombus quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T22:13:07Z pjb: burzos: there's already a scheme implementation in a linux module.  Perhaps bitrotten. Update it.
2018-09-09T22:13:20Z pjb: Then you can write your module directly in the kernel.
2018-09-09T22:13:57Z burzos: You mean this? http://www.abstractnonsense.com/schemix/
2018-09-09T22:14:34Z pjb: yep.
2018-09-09T22:16:00Z burzos: Maybe.  I also want to duplicate my efforts on NetBSD.    Porting schemix to NetBSD to another platform sounds hard.
2018-09-09T22:16:21Z burzos: s/to NetBSD to another/to NetBSD/
2018-09-09T22:16:43Z Menche: a lot of scheme implementations compile to C
2018-09-09T22:16:56Z Menche: gambit, chicken, cyclone
2018-09-09T22:17:15Z burzos: I'm concerned about stuff like concurrent GC threads.
2018-09-09T22:17:44Z burzos: And whatever else would make running the code hard in the kernel
2018-09-09T22:22:33Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T22:31:09Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:39:01Z lemonpepper24 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T22:39:57Z bsund joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:40:03Z terpri quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-09T22:57:25Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:58:08Z niklasl2 joined #scheme
2018-09-09T22:58:24Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:00:59Z CrazyLazyDazy quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-09T23:01:27Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:02:26Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:06:43Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:12:11Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-09T23:14:17Z kjeldahl quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:15:56Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:21:01Z kjeldahl joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:31:55Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:39:58Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:42:01Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:42:58Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:47:19Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:52:36Z burzos quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-09T23:56:20Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-09T23:58:15Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:06:24Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T00:08:08Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-10T00:25:40Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-10T00:26:59Z mrm quit (Changing host)
2018-09-10T00:26:59Z mrm joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:29:20Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:29:26Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:30:21Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:38:48Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T00:49:18Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:53:12Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:57:50Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-10T00:58:21Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T01:05:29Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-10T01:08:29Z kjak quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-10T01:10:20Z bsund quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T01:12:12Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-10T01:20:33Z Ziv joined #scheme
2018-09-10T01:21:56Z Ziv quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T01:25:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-10T01:32:45Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-10T01:41:48Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-10T01:42:30Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-10T01:44:17Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T01:52:33Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T01:58:35Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:05:13Z daviid quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T02:09:28Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:14:52Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:17:17Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:17:24Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:18:19Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:19:38Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T02:27:46Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T02:30:18Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T02:34:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-10T02:41:34Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:41:51Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-10T02:43:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T02:47:28Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-10T02:49:35Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-10T02:51:12Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T03:30:54Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T04:07:25Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-10T04:29:38Z reverse_light joined #scheme
2018-09-10T04:37:29Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-10T04:39:54Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-10T04:40:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T04:40:43Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-10T04:51:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T04:51:45Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T04:52:26Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T04:52:29Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-10T05:07:42Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-10T05:10:24Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-10T05:13:32Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T05:13:57Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T05:14:15Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T05:14:53Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T05:15:39Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T05:17:34Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-10T05:25:15Z ssake joined #scheme
2018-09-10T05:38:54Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-10T06:19:36Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-10T06:35:21Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T06:40:03Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T06:54:03Z webshinra joined #scheme
2018-09-10T06:58:48Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-10T06:58:54Z pjb` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T07:04:02Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-10T07:05:14Z pjb` left #scheme
2018-09-10T07:05:48Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-10T07:54:06Z lloda quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T07:54:34Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-10T07:54:53Z lloda joined #scheme
2018-09-10T07:59:41Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-10T08:06:41Z TheGreekOwl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T08:08:02Z cobax: is there an image-based scheme? (a la Smalltalk?)
2018-09-10T08:08:48Z ecraven: cobax: mit scheme supports worlds, some others might too
2018-09-10T08:09:04Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:09:32Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:09:50Z cobax: ecraven: I've never heard of worlds, are you implying that is the accepted terminology for images in the scheme world?
2018-09-10T08:09:57Z cobax: (no pun intended)
2018-09-10T08:10:13Z ecraven: cobax: I think so
2018-09-10T08:10:52Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:11:16Z cobax: ecraven: thank you. one more question, in the usual scheme fashion of terrific explainability and denotational semantics, where can I find a precise definition of what "image based" means and how say mit scheme achieves it?
2018-09-10T08:11:33Z ecraven: cobax: look in the mit-scheme user manual, under 3.3 World Images
2018-09-10T08:11:43Z cobax: in particular how is the state kept serialized as the user is using the image live
2018-09-10T08:11:46Z cobax: I will!
2018-09-10T08:11:57Z cobax: https://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/World-Images.html
2018-09-10T08:11:59Z ecraven: in mit-scheme, you have to manually save the image. disk-save is the function to use
2018-09-10T08:12:07Z ecraven: the state at that moment is saved
2018-09-10T08:13:09Z cobax: hmm ok. so we can surmise that what makes Smalltalk "save the image automatically" is just that it "files out every x seconds"?
2018-09-10T08:14:04Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-10T08:14:45Z cobax: I'm wondering if I'm missing any components as to what makes image-based languages "live"
2018-09-10T08:15:18Z ecraven: maybe ask in #smalltalk?
2018-09-10T08:15:44Z bars0 joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:15:51Z ecraven: I know that the "old" lisp machines also had a way to save your image, it wasn't a live image, afaik
2018-09-10T08:16:29Z cobax: I will, sorry, and thank you for all the information!
2018-09-10T08:17:04Z ecraven: no problem, this is an interesting topic, if you find out, feel free to share the information here  ;)
2018-09-10T08:19:38Z cobax: sure thing!
2018-09-10T08:25:42Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:28:03Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T08:29:21Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-10T08:57:58Z bars0 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T09:02:52Z civodul quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T09:03:34Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-10T09:08:40Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-10T09:36:13Z amz3` quit (Changing host)
2018-09-10T09:36:13Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-10T09:36:22Z amz3`: hello #scheme
2018-09-10T09:42:57Z bars0 joined #scheme
2018-09-10T09:44:41Z bars0 quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-10T10:01:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-10T10:01:41Z pjb: cobax: well, what makes an environment live, is that the program is running while you are modifying it.  The programming environment is INSIDE the program itself.  Things like emacs, lisp machine (where you had direct access to the system sources and could modify even kernel functions with immediate effect (without rebooting)).
2018-09-10T10:03:05Z pjb: cobax: so indeed, this is found in general in Smalltalk environments (but there are also batch Smalltalk implementations, such as gst), and also in a lot of "modern" languages such as ruby, python, perl, etc. Even if the development tools with those later languages are very deficient compared to lisp or smalltalk…
2018-09-10T10:05:03Z pjb: cobax: there's more livelyness, when your code gets executed immediately while editing it.  With scheme or lisp, in edwin, emacs, etc, you can type C-x C-e as soon as you typed an expression in the source buffer. But this is "manual", and you have to write your expressions with arguments so they can be evaluated.  There are live programming systems, where things are more automatic.  Type of parameters are infered, and UI to set 
2018-09-10T10:05:03Z pjb: values are presented, with default values, so the code you type is displayed along with all the variables and their value on some prototypal parameter values.
2018-09-10T10:05:23Z pjb: This is something that could easily enough be implemented in emacs (or edwin) for lisp or scheme.
2018-09-10T10:06:38Z pjb: For example, you type (define (foo x) (list (car x)))  so the system infers that x should be a pair, and it tries to evaluate (foo (cons 1 2)), displaying the values for (car x), (list (car x)), and finally (foo (cons 1 2)) as you type the source, without further command on you part.
2018-09-10T10:14:33Z amz3` quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-10T10:30:46Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T10:34:07Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-10T10:35:57Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T10:55:20Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-10T10:58:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T10:59:59Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-10T11:37:54Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T11:42:11Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-10T11:42:32Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-10T13:20:26Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:26:12Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T13:27:27Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:33:52Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:35:21Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T13:37:36Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:39:58Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-10T13:40:36Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:41:37Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T13:42:07Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-10T13:46:15Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T13:46:30Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:16:29Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-10T14:21:35Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:26:14Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:27:37Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:29:23Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T14:29:40Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:32:18Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-10T14:35:20Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T14:37:25Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T14:37:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:38:31Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:40:11Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:51:14Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:53:21Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-10T14:57:09Z InverseRhombus quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T15:03:28Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-10T15:06:52Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-10T15:11:07Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T15:12:08Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T15:51:21Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-10T15:56:49Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T16:02:13Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T16:04:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T16:08:54Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T16:27:18Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T16:28:12Z ZombieChicken joined #scheme
2018-09-10T16:29:58Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-10T16:33:48Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T16:38:32Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-10T16:41:41Z fedelibre quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-10T16:43:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T16:45:17Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-10T16:52:42Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-10T17:00:30Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:07:16Z rain1 joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:07:34Z klovett quit
2018-09-10T17:11:35Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T17:11:50Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:12:58Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:20:11Z badkins quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T17:22:14Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:39:24Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T17:39:43Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:50:33Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:52:13Z pie__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T17:52:30Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T17:59:53Z Zipheir: I'm attempting to prove the associative law for the list monad and seem to be stuck. Any hints? (This is personal homework) https://lpaste.net/1158761487603335168
2018-09-10T18:00:46Z Zipheir: Oops, wrong channel :)
2018-09-10T18:01:12Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-10T18:02:03Z jcowan: Zipheir: Do you mean the list monoid?
2018-09-10T18:02:19Z jcowan: (monads and monoids, coming soon to a Scheme near you!)
2018-09-10T18:03:18Z Zipheir: Sort of... but it is the laws for >>= I'm trying to prove, so monad. (I'm a bit weak on the theory here.)
2018-09-10T18:04:27Z jcowan: Okay, so what you want is to show that the list definition of >>= is associative?
2018-09-10T18:04:33Z Zipheir: Indeed.
2018-09-10T18:05:41Z Zipheir: In the weird sense of (>>= (>>= p q) r) = (>>= p (lambda (x) (>>= (q x) r))
2018-09-10T18:07:26Z jcowan: So exactly what does List's definition of >>= actually do on concrete examples?
2018-09-10T18:07:57Z Zipheir: The usual haskell definition is p >>= q = concat (map q p)
2018-09-10T18:11:07Z rain1: ((p >>= q) >>= r) = concat (map q (concat (map r p)))
2018-09-10T18:11:09Z rain1: p >>= (q >>= r) = concat (map (concat (map r q)) p)
2018-09-10T18:11:31Z Zipheir: rain1: p >>= (q >>= r) is a type error.
2018-09-10T18:11:44Z rain1: oh
2018-09-10T18:12:19Z Zipheir: That's the rub. q and r are both functions from things to lists of things.
2018-09-10T18:12:54Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T18:14:20Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T18:14:29Z Zipheir: Eh, sorry to inject static typing into the channel. :)
2018-09-10T18:20:59Z jcowan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T18:22:11Z vyzo joined #scheme
2018-09-10T18:51:18Z ZombieChicken quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T18:51:50Z ZombieChicken joined #scheme
2018-09-10T18:52:18Z manumanumanu joined #scheme
2018-09-10T18:55:27Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:00:14Z lavaflow_ is now known as lavaflow
2018-09-10T19:10:35Z ZombieChicken quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-10T19:11:22Z ZombieChicken joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:12:04Z lavaflow quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-10T19:12:52Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:13:32Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:13:43Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:15:52Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:20:03Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:33:28Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-10T19:39:38Z ssake quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T19:41:12Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:47:03Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:48:48Z klovett quit
2018-09-10T19:51:13Z Zipheir: jcowan: Do you intend to include Oleg Kiselyov's letM/letM* forms in your mon(a|oi)d SRFI?
2018-09-10T19:51:31Z jcowan: No idea yet
2018-09-10T19:52:30Z jcowan: monoid will actually be semigroup with an optional zero plus various flags that show if it is {left,right}cancellable and/or factorial
2018-09-10T19:52:52Z Zipheir: OK, cool.
2018-09-10T19:54:12Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:54:12Z fmnt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-10T19:54:12Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:54:37Z jcowan: monad will likewise be functor with optional stuff to make it applicative or applicative + monad
2018-09-10T19:55:05Z jcowan: All these objects are basically Haskell's typeclass dictionaries, except reified as user-level objects
2018-09-10T19:56:33Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-10T19:58:34Z fmnt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-10T19:59:17Z Zipheir: Will there be something similar to comparators for implementing those classes?
2018-09-10T20:00:25Z jcowan: yes, exactly
2018-09-10T20:00:29Z Zipheir: Blech, I mean implementing monad operators polymorphically.
2018-09-10T20:00:38Z Zipheir: Very nice.
2018-09-10T20:01:06Z jcowan: so you call make-monoid and pass an associative binary procedure plus a p-list for the various flags
2018-09-10T20:01:12Z jcowan: similarly for make-monad
2018-09-10T20:01:26Z jcowan: pass map, ap, and return
2018-09-10T20:01:34Z jcowan: or #f if they don't exist
2018-09-10T20:01:50Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-09-10T20:01:55Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-10T20:02:03Z jcowan: then there will be monad-* and monoid-* procedures which accept a monad/monoid object and appropriate args
2018-09-10T20:02:11Z jcowan: and do whatever
2018-09-10T20:02:12Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-10T20:02:15Z gwatt: There was a person who wrote a monad library for r6rs: https://github.com/jhidding/r6rs-monads
2018-09-10T20:02:18Z jcowan: s/return/mind
2018-09-10T20:02:21Z jcowan: s/mind/bind
2018-09-10T20:02:56Z Zipheir: Yeah, that does sound a lot like comparators.
2018-09-10T20:02:59Z Zipheir: Nice!
2018-09-10T20:03:43Z jcowan: gwatt: I'll look at that
2018-09-10T20:04:13Z jcowan: There could be monadic-do syntax, but it would have to be passed the explicit monad object
2018-09-10T20:05:13Z gwatt: It looks like that library creates a `with-m' syntax when you define a monad `m'
2018-09-10T20:05:25Z jcowan nods
2018-09-10T20:05:38Z gwatt: as well as `seq-m' which appears to be `do'
2018-09-10T20:06:01Z jcowan: So Zipheir, the underlying operation in the list monad is list append
2018-09-10T20:06:08Z jcowan: which is obviously associative
2018-09-10T20:08:07Z Zipheir: Yes. I did manage to complete that proof that I (erroneously) posted here.
2018-09-10T20:08:09Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T20:09:06Z Zipheir: gwatt: That library has some hairy macros.
2018-09-10T20:09:37Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-10T20:10:16Z gwatt: I'll admit to not having looked through it that much.
2018-09-10T20:10:19Z jcowan doesn't really like macro programming
2018-09-10T20:10:29Z gwatt: I just remembered that someone had posted that to the chez scheme mailing list
2018-09-10T20:10:33Z jcowan: not in the sense of writing macros, but in the sense of doing complex things entirely in the compiler
2018-09-10T20:11:33Z jcowan: I was thinking of having a function monoid-parallel, which *might* spawn parallel operations to apply the monoid operator to arguments
2018-09-10T20:11:59Z Zipheir: I'm a fan of letM*, which is quite simple: (letM* ((x foo) (y bar)) body ...) ≡ (>>= foo (λ (x) (>>= bar (λ (y) body ...))), or something close to that.
2018-09-10T20:12:29Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-10T20:14:28Z ssake joined #scheme
2018-09-10T20:15:48Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-10T20:19:18Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-10T20:22:35Z ski: hm, in e.g. a `let' body, one can intermingle `define' forms, and expressions evaluated for side-effects (aka commands). i suppose that's what a `do'-syntax-inpired form would give us, for monadic actions (so explicit effects rather than implicit side-effects)
2018-09-10T20:23:33Z ski: (inventing dummy names, or using say `_', for the result of actions whose value you don't care about, can be a bit tiring ior look ugly ..)
2018-09-10T20:25:32Z Zipheir: ski: Yes, that is a bit awkward.
2018-09-10T20:26:25Z ski: (i mostly wanted to note the parallel precedent with `let' (&c.) bodies)
2018-09-10T20:27:00Z Zipheir: ski: Although there's no IO in Scheme, so I imagine you'll generally want the result of a monadic computation.
2018-09-10T20:27:08Z jcowan: ski: Actually you can't: the defines have to come first
2018-09-10T20:27:19Z jcowan: some Schemes may support intermingling but not RnRS AFAIK
2018-09-10T20:27:29Z ski: oh, i misremembered then, sorry
2018-09-10T20:27:39Z ski: (i stand corrected. ty)
2018-09-10T20:28:53Z jcowan: Actually making an IO monad is easy: it accepts a thunk and throws away its result
2018-09-10T20:29:03Z jcowan: you have to explicitly call io-run though to perform the thunk
2018-09-10T20:29:10Z ski: (i had seen it in an implementation, and apparently thought/misremembered that that was standard. mea culpa)
2018-09-10T20:29:20Z Zipheir: Hmm. I can see cases where that would be useful.
2018-09-10T20:29:50Z ski: you could encapsulate the thunk in some kind of opaque container, if you wanted to
2018-09-10T20:30:15Z jcowan: just so, and the simplest kind of opaque container in Scheme is a procedure
2018-09-10T20:31:04Z ski: (one could even have a language without static typing where that container could only be opened by the RTS (and library ops which makes new containers, of course). i remember reading in a blag about that being done in a toy language, controlling a robot)
2018-09-10T20:32:18Z ski: jcowan : i suppose i was thinking of an opaque container with an unforgable key
2018-09-10T20:32:29Z jcowan: just so
2018-09-10T20:32:40Z jcowan: that is easy in Scheme, I like (copy-string "my unforgeable key") best
2018-09-10T20:32:49Z ski: (ah, but of course you could do that with a procedure, i see)
2018-09-10T20:33:07Z jcowan: it doesn't matter what the string is, because string-copy produces a unique object
2018-09-10T20:33:56Z jcowan: many people like (list 'unforgeable), but that messes up write/display if it is stored in a list or pair
2018-09-10T20:33:57Z ski:   (lambda (key) (if (key-equals key *secret-key*) (...) (...)))
2018-09-10T20:34:02Z jcowan: just so
2018-09-10T20:34:11Z ZombieChicken quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-10T20:35:14Z jcowan: key-equals is just eq?
2018-09-10T20:35:21Z ski: probably
2018-09-10T20:35:45Z jcowan: s/copy-string/string-copy/
2018-09-10T20:36:32Z ski: (in another language, without object identity (comparision), it would have to be something else)
2018-09-10T20:46:37Z jcowan: yes, that's where you need to get into really large hard-to-guess strings
2018-09-10T20:51:43Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T20:51:44Z ski: or a new unforgable data-type
2018-09-10T20:52:06Z jcowan: that just pushes off the problem of object identity into dynamic type identity
2018-09-10T20:53:05Z ski: hm, not sure what you mean by the latter
2018-09-10T20:54:38Z Zipheir: i.e. the semantics of equality for a given type?
2018-09-10T20:55:08Z ski: perhaps re (a) distinguishing different types dynamically; or (b) distinguishing different values of some particular type, dynamically. one could probably argue that these are in essence the same thing, looked at from enough distance, though ?
2018-09-10T20:58:31Z Zipheir: call-with-one-time-pad
2018-09-10T21:03:52Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-10T21:05:27Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-10T21:07:27Z jcowan: creating a new type object means you can spawn new instance objects from it and do things with them, but the new type object requires an internal or external source of novelty.
2018-09-10T21:08:34Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-10T21:13:44Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-10T21:14:12Z nckx quit (Quit: Updating my GNU GuixSD server — gnu.org/s/guix)
2018-09-10T21:14:30Z ski: *nod*, i was thinking of a type object supplied by a library (e.g. a standard one)
2018-09-10T21:15:02Z ski: (so, possibly ultimately provided by the implementation)
2018-09-10T21:17:15Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T21:19:44Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-10T21:21:59Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-10T21:26:21Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-10T22:06:38Z jcowan: What is really open is which monads to provide as a standard part of the monad SRFI, and should they include the transformer versions.
2018-09-10T22:08:18Z jcowan: also I need a good list of standard monad operations
2018-09-10T22:16:06Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-10T22:18:31Z qu1j0t3: Wadler 1991
2018-09-10T22:19:13Z qu1j0t3: aren't there only two fundamental ones? or what do you mean
2018-09-10T22:25:35Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-10T22:30:44Z Zipheir: liftM, sequence, the Kleisli composition ops, etc.?
2018-09-10T22:34:46Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-10T22:39:38Z qu1j0t3: oh, i see. Well, you can certainly crib any number of these from Haskell or Scalaz etc
2018-09-10T22:39:44Z qu1j0t3: typeclassopedia
2018-09-10T22:40:08Z qu1j0t3: it goes on forever, there are hundreds
2018-09-10T22:50:50Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-10T22:54:15Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-10T23:08:06Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-10T23:20:41Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-10T23:23:31Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-10T23:26:43Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T23:27:47Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-10T23:30:18Z jcowan: qu1j0t3: Precisely why there is a problem: which ones to include in a reasonable monad library
2018-09-10T23:32:33Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-10T23:34:34Z askatasuna quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)
2018-09-10T23:34:58Z qu1j0t3: i don't think there is any single answer to that.
2018-09-10T23:35:19Z qu1j0t3: i mean there are probably like six that are indispensable, but do you want two, six, or sixty?
2018-09-10T23:35:38Z qu1j0t3: eventually you'll need something that isn't there.
2018-09-10T23:36:05Z qu1j0t3: and generally you won't want to derive it on deadline. so it's nice to have in the library.
2018-09-10T23:37:00Z qu1j0t3: i have no problem with haskell/scalaz's approach of putting hundreds in ... but maybe that only works when you have a supporting typesystem.
2018-09-10T23:38:59Z jcowan: it also only works when you have hundreds of implementers
2018-09-10T23:39:49Z qu1j0t3: i also mean as a philosophy.
2018-09-10T23:39:58Z qu1j0t3: ideally you will have hundreds of users, who will scratch an itch.
2018-09-10T23:40:05Z sz0 quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-10T23:40:08Z qu1j0t3: those don't all get written by anticipation. most get written as needed.
2018-09-10T23:40:30Z qu1j0t3: turns out 80/20 applies
2018-09-10T23:40:39Z qu1j0t3: you are likely to need what other people needed.
2018-09-10T23:41:23Z qu1j0t3: jcowan: so i suppose you could do an empirical survey of haskell code.
2018-09-10T23:41:45Z qu1j0t3: to bootstrap that.
2018-09-10T23:41:58Z jcowan: the question is, which ones should be standardized
2018-09-10T23:42:23Z jcowan: users can write their own libraries, but not (in general) their own SRFIs
2018-09-10T23:42:30Z jcowan: well, you can, but it's a lot more work
2018-09-10T23:42:41Z jcowan: anyway, going home
2018-09-10T23:42:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-10T23:42:45Z qu1j0t3: how many do you have in mind?
2018-09-10T23:42:47Z qu1j0t3: ugh
2018-09-10T23:55:30Z CrazyLazyDazy joined #scheme
2018-09-11T00:09:15Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-11T00:13:41Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-11T00:18:25Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-11T00:20:33Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: It doesn't go on forever, really. There are something like 25 functions in Haskell’s Control.Monad, for example. I’m guessing half of those see a lot of use.
2018-09-11T00:27:29Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Also, in some higher-order cases Scheme only needs one procedure where Haskell has a whole family. A single liftM function, e.g.
2018-09-11T00:27:48Z Zipheir: (No need for liftM2, liftM3, ..., liftMn)
2018-09-11T00:31:08Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-11T00:32:27Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T00:33:24Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: i'm accustomed to larger libraries than that, then. e.g. scalaz
2018-09-11T00:33:52Z qu1j0t3: or typeclassopedia....
2018-09-11T00:33:59Z cobax quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-11T00:34:06Z qu1j0t3: Control.Monad is just a small part of it
2018-09-11T00:34:48Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Sure, but that’s the core. And SRFIs usually try to provide a core for people to build more roccoco stuff on, no?
2018-09-11T00:35:13Z qu1j0t3: anyway a good empirical start is to look at real programs
2018-09-11T00:35:52Z Zipheir: Probably.
2018-09-11T00:35:56Z qu1j0t3: i can imagine a core of a dozen essential functions, yes. but i cant imagine you'd drive far without needing to implement more fundamentals
2018-09-11T00:36:24Z qu1j0t3: the srfi model may not be a good one
2018-09-11T00:37:10Z Zipheir: The problem is that there isn't a surfeit of monadic lisp programs.
2018-09-11T00:37:25Z qu1j0t3: is that a problem?
2018-09-11T00:38:21Z Zipheir: I mean, you've got to adapt from Haskell, Scala, whatever, when monadic programming might need some very different idioms in a Scheme context.
2018-09-11T00:38:25Z Zipheir: Maybe, idk.
2018-09-11T00:45:33Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-11T00:45:36Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T00:50:59Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-11T00:55:17Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T00:56:49Z jcowan: qu1j0t3: so what are the six indispensable monad methods?
2018-09-11T00:56:58Z jcowan: or even 16>
2018-09-11T00:57:34Z qu1j0t3: yeah, six or sixteen.
2018-09-11T00:57:44Z qu1j0t3: well you coud easily crib six from "Functional Programming in Scala".
2018-09-11T00:57:55Z qu1j0t3: but for sixteen you'd probably do a survey of Haskell code.
2018-09-11T00:58:12Z qu1j0t3: i can't think of any other way to decide.
2018-09-11T00:58:31Z qu1j0t3: unless you just copy Control.Monad verbatim, which is unsatisfying
2018-09-11T01:07:09Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T01:07:14Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T01:08:31Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-11T01:12:57Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T01:37:13Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T01:56:59Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-11T01:58:27Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-11T02:00:22Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T02:00:38Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-11T02:11:47Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-11T02:15:32Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T02:17:12Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T02:24:31Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T02:35:06Z pie___ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T02:37:34Z pie__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T02:43:58Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-11T02:49:55Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:00:28Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-11T03:01:19Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:02:45Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T03:11:08Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T03:14:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:15:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T03:17:07Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T03:19:09Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T03:22:42Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:23:29Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-11T03:23:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:23:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:35:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T03:36:50Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:36:56Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T03:42:47Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:47:20Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T03:51:23Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T03:52:36Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T03:59:12Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T04:01:50Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T04:06:45Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T04:14:57Z j3kyl_ left #scheme
2018-09-11T04:40:46Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-11T05:18:32Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T05:19:06Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-11T05:24:27Z Inline quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T05:58:01Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T05:58:19Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:09:34Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T06:12:04Z ecraven quit (Quit: bye)
2018-09-11T06:12:22Z ecraven joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:31:51Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T06:32:24Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:36:18Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-11T06:36:46Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:40:50Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:43:24Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T06:45:36Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:50:24Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:56:06Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T06:58:14Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:00:15Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T07:12:08Z atateno quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-11T07:16:02Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T07:16:39Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:17:03Z wigust- quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-11T07:17:51Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:18:24Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T07:20:54Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:25:47Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T07:36:45Z hugo quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T07:41:37Z greatscottttt joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:43:14Z f32ff joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:46:06Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-11T07:56:47Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T07:57:24Z nckx quit (Quit: Updating my GNU GuixSD server — gnu.org/s/guix)
2018-09-11T07:59:52Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-11T08:01:07Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T08:27:29Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-11T08:29:15Z pie___ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-11T08:33:13Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-11T08:36:09Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T08:37:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T08:38:10Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-11T08:58:00Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T08:58:15Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-11T08:58:15Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-11T09:01:18Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T09:02:06Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-11T09:12:09Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T09:15:04Z dpk quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T09:20:20Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-11T09:22:40Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-11T09:32:32Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T09:32:54Z dpk joined #scheme
2018-09-11T09:48:04Z rotty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T09:50:18Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T10:01:58Z rotty joined #scheme
2018-09-11T10:09:50Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-11T10:34:57Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T10:51:18Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-11T10:57:29Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-11T10:57:31Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T11:02:24Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T11:02:48Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T11:22:56Z f32ff quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-11T11:46:18Z mario-goulart quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T11:46:41Z mario-goulart joined #scheme
2018-09-11T11:59:31Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T12:04:04Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T12:17:50Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-11T12:38:46Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T12:42:05Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T12:55:46Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-11T12:57:12Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T13:00:53Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-11T13:04:47Z hugo joined #scheme
2018-09-11T13:11:02Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T13:15:16Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T13:21:24Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T13:49:03Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-11T13:49:58Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T13:50:07Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T13:50:25Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-11T14:09:00Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T14:10:18Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-11T14:11:22Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-11T14:25:24Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T14:31:25Z j3kyl_ left #scheme
2018-09-11T14:42:35Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T14:55:35Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:02:45Z Chream joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:06:37Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:07:05Z Chream quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-11T15:09:29Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:16:33Z askatasuna joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:18:32Z askatasuna left #scheme
2018-09-11T15:33:58Z fedelibre quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-11T15:47:29Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:47:42Z pie_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T15:47:58Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:51:20Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T15:58:24Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-11T15:58:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T16:06:05Z greatscottttt quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)
2018-09-11T16:13:26Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-11T16:14:38Z thetemplar quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-11T16:34:16Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-11T16:40:21Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T16:43:47Z pie__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T16:44:53Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-11T17:03:55Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:06:48Z klovett quit
2018-09-11T17:08:12Z arst joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:08:58Z arst quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-11T17:09:16Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:11:58Z cortisol quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T17:26:12Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-11T17:34:46Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:36:10Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:47:20Z lavaflow quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T17:48:31Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T17:52:25Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-11T18:01:52Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-11T18:03:30Z sz0 joined #scheme
2018-09-11T18:22:18Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-11T18:22:36Z niklasl2 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
2018-09-11T18:22:56Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-11T18:36:33Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T18:36:44Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-11T18:48:00Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T18:52:27Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:06:41Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:19:26Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:21:00Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:26:18Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-11T19:33:37Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:38:16Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-11T19:39:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-11T19:49:02Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-11T20:00:10Z terpri quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T20:00:36Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-11T20:15:14Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-11T20:30:04Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-11T20:38:01Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-11T20:38:26Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-11T20:53:26Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-11T20:57:16Z cobax joined #scheme
2018-09-11T21:07:27Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T21:31:00Z ArneBab_ quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
2018-09-11T21:33:36Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-11T21:33:36Z ArneBab quit (Changing host)
2018-09-11T21:33:36Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-11T21:41:13Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-11T21:42:12Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-11T21:55:40Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T22:05:07Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-11T22:05:35Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-11T22:10:20Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-11T22:16:10Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-11T22:22:03Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T22:53:49Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T22:58:56Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T23:20:33Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T23:27:30Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-11T23:40:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-11T23:53:14Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-11T23:57:01Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-11T23:57:11Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-12T00:25:53Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T00:28:27Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T00:31:10Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-12T00:51:10Z justinethier joined #scheme
2018-09-12T00:54:05Z justinethier: ecraven: just wanted to let you know, I installed a fresh Arch and was able to repro the chudnovsky issue... turned out to be undefined behavior in C regarding multiplication overflow :(. Anyway, will be fixed in next release. Thanks again for the benchmark run!
2018-09-12T01:03:22Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T01:12:28Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T01:27:22Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T01:30:18Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T01:33:18Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T01:33:18Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-12T01:34:00Z logicmoo joined #scheme
2018-09-12T01:46:06Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T01:53:38Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-12T01:58:28Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T02:02:13Z justinethier quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-12T02:07:23Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:08:31Z keep_learning quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:10:18Z brettgilio quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:15:59Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-12T02:27:51Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T02:28:54Z keep_learning joined #scheme
2018-09-12T02:35:37Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-12T02:35:48Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:39:07Z brettgilio quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:48:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T02:57:30Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T02:58:54Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T02:59:24Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-12T03:03:29Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-12T03:07:04Z cobax quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T03:29:13Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T03:51:06Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-12T03:51:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-12T03:55:56Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-12T03:58:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T03:58:25Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T03:58:56Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-12T04:29:38Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T04:49:12Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-12T05:03:37Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-12T05:07:16Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T05:07:52Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-12T05:32:13Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T06:10:43Z lloda quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T06:20:08Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-12T06:21:41Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T06:21:45Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T06:28:44Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-12T06:28:45Z erratic quit (Quit: this server has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T06:34:49Z m1dnight_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T06:43:38Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T06:59:18Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-12T07:21:59Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-12T07:33:59Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-12T07:48:33Z joast quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T07:58:01Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T08:25:57Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-12T08:33:16Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-12T08:48:16Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T09:06:20Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-12T09:19:22Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T10:27:43Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:31:06Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-12T10:47:57Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:54:59Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:56:26Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:58:07Z logicmoo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T10:58:24Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:59:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T10:59:24Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:05:51Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:08:38Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:16:34Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:23:31Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:31:10Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:31:22Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:33:57Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:34:30Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:41:06Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-12T11:43:49Z CrazyLazyDazy0 joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:47:16Z CrazyLazyDazy quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:53:12Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T11:56:43Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T11:58:57Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-12T12:02:52Z longshi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T12:03:01Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T12:04:52Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-12T12:07:46Z jonaslund quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T12:40:22Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-12T12:52:44Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:02:15Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T13:03:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:10:22Z Guest62383 joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:13:42Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T13:17:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:23:38Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T13:38:04Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:45:34Z lloda joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:56:07Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T13:58:34Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:06:13Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:08:09Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:08:48Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:10:28Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:19:15Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:19:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:21:35Z joast joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:25:27Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:26:55Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:27:49Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T14:28:19Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:29:23Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-12T14:34:13Z Guest62383 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:34:41Z lockywolf__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T14:35:07Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:36:27Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T14:37:29Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:49:51Z jcowan quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-12T14:50:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T14:54:13Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:08:27Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:09:39Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:11:14Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:12:03Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:13:47Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:19:26Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:21:30Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:21:57Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:30:58Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:32:01Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:36:27Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:42:50Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T15:50:34Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:58:07Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T15:59:58Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-12T16:40:46Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T16:43:40Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T16:44:39Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T16:45:22Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-12T16:47:33Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T16:50:18Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T17:14:11Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-12T17:16:06Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-12T17:18:57Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-12T17:20:09Z klovett quit
2018-09-12T17:40:18Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T17:52:04Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T18:24:07Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:28:34Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:29:34Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T18:31:36Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-12T18:32:35Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:33:24Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T18:37:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:47:27Z TCZ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:51:47Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T18:54:24Z turbofail quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T18:56:12Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:56:20Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-12T18:56:44Z turbofail joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:00:35Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:04:38Z Khisanth joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:05:36Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T19:12:17Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:13:52Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:26:59Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:28:28Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-12T19:33:40Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:49:08Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T19:55:27Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-12T19:56:12Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:00:21Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:05:52Z TCZ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-12T20:06:33Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:07:37Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:22:10Z badkins_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:30:43Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:32:07Z smazga quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-12T20:44:50Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:52:01Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:54:07Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:54:49Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:55:07Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:55:25Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-12T20:57:08Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-12T20:59:36Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:01:06Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T21:09:29Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:20:59Z jcowan: my second grandson, Luca Avgust(ovich) LeChevalier, will arrive on the 20th, 8 days from now, at 1:30 PM.
2018-09-12T21:21:01Z jcowan: my second grandson, Luca Avgust(ovich) LeChevalier, will arrive on the 20th, 8 days from now, at 1:30 PM.
2018-09-12T21:21:10Z jcowan: (sorry for stutter)
2018-09-12T21:23:50Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:24:09Z Riastradh: Cool!  ...How do you know about the precise time of day of the arrival?
2018-09-12T21:24:32Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:24:58Z pjb: He flies by plane.
2018-09-12T21:25:12Z pjb: or by stork.
2018-09-12T21:26:35Z Zipheir: jcowan: Congrats!
2018-09-12T21:45:29Z tubuliferous joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:46:40Z brettgilio quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2018-09-12T21:50:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T21:51:47Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-12T21:56:51Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T21:58:47Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T22:00:25Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T22:02:52Z longshi: i'm amazed by the quality of pdf `essays` on programmingpraxis--which is a site with programming exercises. I wish I saw textfiledatabases.pdf earlier, it does a great job of explaining IO in scheme
2018-09-12T22:03:37Z longshi recommends it strongly
2018-09-12T22:04:21Z longshi: https://programmingpraxis.com/essays/
2018-09-12T22:04:27Z longshi: here's the link
2018-09-12T22:04:47Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-12T22:17:12Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T22:23:01Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-12T22:32:26Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-12T22:33:35Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-12T22:38:08Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-12T22:38:53Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-12T22:52:46Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-12T22:59:14Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-12T22:59:21Z fadein quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-12T23:01:59Z fadein joined #scheme
2018-09-12T23:21:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-12T23:22:47Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-12T23:26:22Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-12T23:31:05Z josecso quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-12T23:34:09Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-12T23:36:48Z josecso joined #scheme
2018-09-12T23:43:43Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-13T00:11:36Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T00:12:22Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T00:18:23Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T00:23:09Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-13T00:25:52Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T00:31:44Z jcowan: Riastradh, Zipheir: He'll be delivered by C-section, not by stork.
2018-09-13T00:35:21Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T00:50:29Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T00:52:59Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-13T00:57:58Z blt quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T00:59:05Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-13T00:59:05Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-13T00:59:05Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:02:32Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:06:54Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T01:11:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:13:07Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T01:30:48Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T01:31:42Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:32:21Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T01:42:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:45:37Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-13T01:46:13Z badkins_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T01:46:34Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T02:05:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T02:12:19Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T02:14:42Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-13T02:24:25Z j3kyl_`` joined #scheme
2018-09-13T02:25:53Z j3kyl_` quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T02:35:01Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-13T02:37:10Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T02:38:39Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-13T02:46:00Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T02:54:52Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T02:56:01Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T02:56:59Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-13T03:05:35Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T03:05:43Z j3kyl_`` quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T03:50:06Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T03:50:34Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T03:59:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T04:04:03Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T04:04:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T04:05:09Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-13T04:14:13Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T04:22:15Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T04:38:08Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-13T04:49:46Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-13T05:26:52Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-13T05:29:04Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T05:31:22Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T05:33:31Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T05:43:34Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-13T05:43:34Z tubuliferous quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2018-09-13T05:57:56Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-13T06:07:49Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T06:09:19Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T06:11:39Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T06:17:08Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T06:30:05Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T06:34:46Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T06:43:00Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-13T06:45:04Z cobax joined #scheme
2018-09-13T06:46:52Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-13T06:47:44Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-13T07:37:44Z erratic quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-13T07:46:48Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T08:00:04Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-13T08:16:57Z f32ff joined #scheme
2018-09-13T08:52:12Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-13T09:01:18Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T09:05:24Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-13T09:08:56Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-13T09:43:02Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T09:43:24Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-13T09:43:39Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-13T10:04:23Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-13T10:33:40Z webshinra_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T10:36:30Z webshinra quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-13T10:37:17Z webshinra joined #scheme
2018-09-13T10:37:47Z webshinra_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T10:59:41Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:01:29Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:02:41Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-13T11:06:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:16:20Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:20:47Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T11:23:46Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:25:11Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:25:46Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T11:29:14Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:31:18Z quipa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T11:31:25Z lockywolf quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T11:31:43Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:32:25Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:36:38Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-13T11:39:16Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T12:00:24Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:01:51Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-13T12:15:52Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:19:03Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T12:24:54Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:27:59Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-13T12:28:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:29:41Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T12:35:05Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:38:53Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-13T12:52:54Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-13T13:00:04Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T13:22:12Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T13:36:18Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T13:42:05Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-13T13:43:03Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T13:43:33Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-13T13:45:23Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T13:48:13Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-13T13:57:58Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:11:51Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T14:17:38Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:20:55Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:28:13Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-13T14:36:26Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:36:57Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T14:37:50Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T14:40:41Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:41:26Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-13T14:45:18Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T14:54:52Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-13T15:09:21Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:09:44Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:09:51Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T15:09:56Z groovy2shoes quit (Quit: moritura te salutat)
2018-09-13T15:11:22Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T15:12:34Z Chream joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:12:43Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:17:25Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:19:03Z klovett__ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:20:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T15:22:12Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T15:22:27Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T15:26:09Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:30:46Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T15:32:14Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:34:38Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T15:36:35Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-13T15:37:08Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:40:52Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T15:48:55Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-13T15:49:03Z Chream quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T15:51:49Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:04:53Z hugh_marera quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
2018-09-13T16:05:12Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:11:12Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:11:48Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:14:07Z klovett__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T16:14:38Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:17:54Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T16:18:06Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T16:22:09Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-13T16:36:10Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:38:39Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T16:40:17Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:44:12Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:44:38Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T16:46:47Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:59:34Z cortisol_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T16:59:34Z cortisol_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-13T17:05:26Z terpri quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-13T17:06:24Z quipa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T17:06:51Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-13T17:08:54Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-13T17:17:35Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-13T17:26:04Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-13T17:33:43Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-13T17:34:01Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-13T17:54:27Z CrazyLazyDazy0 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-13T17:54:51Z CrazyLazyDazy joined #scheme
2018-09-13T17:56:01Z CrazyLazyDazy quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T18:04:06Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-13T18:14:54Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T18:27:06Z quipa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T18:35:04Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-13T18:39:37Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-13T18:48:49Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T18:51:35Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T18:53:36Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:00:12Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:04:55Z dan64 joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:05:53Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:08:04Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T19:08:16Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:08:26Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:08:27Z dan64- quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:19:55Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:21:27Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:21:47Z dan64- joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:22:13Z dan64 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:23:35Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-13T19:25:16Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:27:34Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:29:10Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-13T19:32:24Z jcowan_ is now known as jcowan
2018-09-13T19:52:22Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-13T19:56:51Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T20:01:31Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T20:03:22Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-13T20:03:33Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T20:19:24Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T20:36:37Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T20:36:44Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-13T20:41:26Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-13T21:09:54Z ineiros_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-13T21:10:12Z XTL quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-13T21:11:27Z tolja quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T21:17:14Z ineiros joined #scheme
2018-09-13T21:26:27Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-13T21:48:54Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-13T21:56:07Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T22:08:44Z XTL joined #scheme
2018-09-13T22:14:12Z tolja joined #scheme
2018-09-13T22:18:01Z hugh_marera_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T22:19:07Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T22:25:09Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-13T22:33:44Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-13T22:35:03Z hugh_marera_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-13T22:47:42Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-13T23:00:53Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:03:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-13T23:03:59Z marvin2 quit
2018-09-13T23:04:40Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-13T23:10:03Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-13T23:14:47Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:32:13Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-13T23:35:59Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:38:40Z DGASAU: "Luca Avgust(ovich)"?
2018-09-13T23:39:48Z DGASAU wonders, what is the language where the name is spelled this way...
2018-09-13T23:43:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:46:49Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-13T23:50:52Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:51:38Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-13T23:59:07Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T00:06:00Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-14T00:09:20Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-14T00:09:40Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-14T00:16:03Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-14T00:20:46Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-14T00:22:16Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T00:25:26Z energizer quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.0+deb0+xenial1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-14T00:25:49Z energizer joined #scheme
2018-09-14T00:58:47Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z 
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z names: ccl-logbot GGMethos cross `micro amz3 dbmikus_ Guest94546 energizer dmiles jcowan jao mange epony DGASAU klovett_ hugh_marera tolja XTL ineiros niklasl InverseRhombus pierpa dan64- zooey pjb erkin groovy2shoes TheGreekOwl badkins Inline lritter wigust- jonaslund webshinra X-Scale nordstrom f32ff erratic cobax khisanth_ blt acarrico josecso fadein lemonpepper24 turbofail ByronJohnson joast lloda sethalves m1dnight_ keep_learning ArneBab sz0 cortisol pie_
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z names: hugo emar mario-goulart rotty dpk nckx ecraven Zipheir ssake manumanumanu vyzo rain1 reverse_light kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh leppie kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 szgyg Riastradh PyroLagus abbe Kkiro dsp eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo snits foof` r0kc4t Blkt bheesham gko exit70 terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue pchrist carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei cmaloney mats samth rjungemann greghendershott pyro- ng0 LeoNerd
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z names: Ober_ deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm em ozzloy nisstyre evhan Kryo davexunit Labu elly gabot snw stephe ec stux16777216Away asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cky cibs kbtr clog DerGuteMoritz pflanze dieggsy wasamasa ohama dkrm qu1j0t3 tautologico Combinatorialist sbp Kooda emacsomancer remix2000 drot SirDayBat z0d payphone
2018-09-14T01:02:34Z names: lpsmith amoe f8l vxe wingo copec defanor rudybot ravndal yosafbridge sudden james29 weinholt gwatt mrm stux|work Guest40074 balkamos fizzie ghostyy
2018-09-14T01:05:19Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:15:04Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:18:57Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:20:07Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T01:21:12Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T01:21:36Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:27:39Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T01:28:37Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T01:33:21Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T01:39:05Z niklasl quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
2018-09-14T01:42:32Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-14T02:07:02Z leppie quit
2018-09-14T02:30:58Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-14T02:35:01Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-14T02:45:18Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-14T02:45:36Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-14T02:48:05Z badkins_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T02:54:39Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T02:55:07Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:02:09Z SirDayBat quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-14T03:02:09Z z0d quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-14T03:02:09Z lpsmith quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-14T03:02:09Z vxe quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-14T03:02:17Z SirDayBa1 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:02:23Z vxe joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:05:23Z lpsmith joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:05:26Z dan64- quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2018-09-14T03:07:33Z z0d joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:09:21Z dan64 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:11:25Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T03:16:21Z dan64- joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:17:58Z dan64 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T03:20:17Z n_blownapart joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:20:37Z n_blownapart is now known as crestfallen
2018-09-14T03:33:40Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-14T03:33:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:45:58Z dan64- quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2018-09-14T03:46:49Z dan64 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T03:51:12Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-14T04:06:36Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T04:10:54Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-14T04:11:06Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T04:12:45Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T04:17:42Z crestfallen quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-14T04:26:25Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T04:26:46Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-14T04:27:25Z Duns_Scrotus: DGASAU: Rvssian
2018-09-14T04:30:38Z DGASAU: Duns_Scrotus: no dialect of Russian would use "c" instead of "k" in this position.
2018-09-14T04:30:48Z Duns_Scrotus: it was a joke
2018-09-14T04:32:03Z DGASAU: It is worse even: no Slavic language that was affected by Christianity would use "k" instead of "c" in this position.
2018-09-14T04:35:56Z DGASAU: (It could be some Western Slavic language, so that they fall to Latin herecy and acquire the name via Latin instead of Greek, but they either lack patronimic name or derive it differently.)
2018-09-14T04:38:17Z DGASAU: (Not surprisingly to me, Wikipedia gives usage of "c" only in Romance languages.)
2018-09-14T04:38:55Z Riastradh: (it's spelled `hereky', not `herecy')
2018-09-14T04:52:07Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T04:56:40Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T05:33:11Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-14T05:34:41Z dan64 quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2018-09-14T05:35:58Z dan64 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T05:37:51Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-14T05:43:24Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-14T05:48:35Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-14T05:52:47Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T05:53:12Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T05:56:17Z quipa quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-14T05:58:06Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-14T06:02:53Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-14T06:06:26Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-14T06:19:24Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T06:28:07Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-14T07:12:16Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-14T07:53:39Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T07:55:24Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-14T08:10:39Z SirDayBa1 is now known as SirDayBat
2018-09-14T08:29:01Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-14T08:50:12Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-14T08:58:49Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-14T08:59:18Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T09:02:10Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-14T09:05:52Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-14T09:15:46Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-14T09:19:04Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T09:29:33Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T10:14:28Z quipa quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-14T10:25:42Z bor0 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T10:41:35Z vadik joined #scheme
2018-09-14T10:59:07Z p_l18 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T11:02:01Z p_l18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T11:02:09Z mchang_22 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T11:04:52Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-14T11:04:58Z mchang_22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T11:24:18Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T11:28:54Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-14T11:36:03Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-14T11:36:19Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-14T11:37:28Z bor0 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-14T12:02:07Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T12:06:45Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-14T12:17:41Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-14T12:18:28Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-14T12:29:31Z Delf7 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T12:30:16Z Delf7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T12:32:43Z EspadaV8 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T12:37:35Z EspadaV8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T12:45:47Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-14T12:48:23Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-14T12:56:07Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T13:07:42Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-14T13:18:40Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-14T13:53:42Z wasamasa quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-14T13:53:52Z wasa joined #scheme
2018-09-14T13:53:53Z wasa quit (Changing host)
2018-09-14T13:53:53Z wasa joined #scheme
2018-09-14T13:54:58Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-14T13:55:26Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-14T13:55:37Z emacsomancer quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-14T13:56:23Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-14T13:59:14Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:05:31Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:12:32Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:16:30Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-14T14:32:03Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T14:35:33Z wasa is now known as wasamasa
2018-09-14T14:36:25Z yaowu18 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:40:44Z yaowu18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T14:43:01Z nahamu10 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:43:42Z nahamu10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T14:55:51Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-14T14:57:06Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-14T15:00:28Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T15:03:23Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-14T15:17:02Z mac_mario29 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T15:17:42Z mac_mario29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T15:52:41Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-14T15:53:59Z vadik quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T16:09:56Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-14T16:14:17Z feivel16 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:14:54Z feivel16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T16:22:21Z ravndal19 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:29:27Z ravndal19 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T16:34:29Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:35:25Z ivanshmakov joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:45:48Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:46:46Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-14T16:47:14Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:58:16Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-14T16:59:22Z Wuher14 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:02:14Z Wuher14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T17:10:11Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:24:34Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:26:51Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T17:27:14Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:29:09Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T17:34:38Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:35:57Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-14T17:48:29Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-14T18:27:05Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-14T18:37:42Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-14T18:40:35Z ravndal quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-14T18:42:59Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-14T18:44:22Z ravndal joined #scheme
2018-09-14T18:58:08Z zooey quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-14T18:59:25Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-14T19:13:37Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-14T19:26:28Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-14T19:29:05Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T19:33:13Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T19:42:47Z muelleme quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)
2018-09-14T19:43:29Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T19:58:40Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:04:05Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:05:34Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-14T20:06:53Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:09:34Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T20:14:13Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-14T20:16:21Z nilg quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T20:22:39Z Chream joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:27:08Z pie_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T20:27:17Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:29:34Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:32:57Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:34:13Z Guest72064 joined #scheme
2018-09-14T20:34:58Z Guest72064 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T20:43:40Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T21:16:16Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-14T21:25:04Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T21:28:45Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-14T21:37:11Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-14T21:37:42Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-14T21:38:57Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-14T21:43:37Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-14T21:44:00Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T21:57:00Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:07:27Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:18:58Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:20:19Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:24:09Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:28:16Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:29:07Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:31:15Z pierpa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:33:51Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:37:21Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:38:04Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:41:42Z cortisol quit
2018-09-14T22:43:14Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-14T22:44:42Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T22:50:33Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-14T22:50:43Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:53:58Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-14T22:58:14Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-14T22:58:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-14T23:02:10Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-14T23:07:42Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-14T23:08:24Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-14T23:14:34Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T23:18:03Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-14T23:19:47Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-14T23:24:16Z johnjay joined #scheme
2018-09-14T23:33:07Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-14T23:48:32Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-14T23:48:48Z pie_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T23:57:52Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-14T23:58:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:02:15Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:06:42Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:08:01Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T00:11:17Z GregHouse joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:12:57Z GregHouse left #scheme
2018-09-15T00:14:51Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T00:18:04Z Flyoc22 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:19:29Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:23:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:27:09Z Flyoc22 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T00:27:42Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T00:33:21Z johnjay quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T00:51:33Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T00:53:50Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T00:57:27Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-15T01:10:10Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T01:11:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:17:22Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:22:43Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T01:28:04Z ironChicken13 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:30:51Z eyeoh23 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:31:29Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:32:49Z ironChicken13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T01:35:54Z eyeoh23 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T01:39:45Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T01:45:10Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T01:52:28Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T01:54:43Z snits quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T01:59:40Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-15T02:02:59Z snits joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:03:26Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T02:05:25Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:06:40Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:08:29Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T02:10:08Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:23:15Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:23:33Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:25:07Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:27:46Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:38:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:41:23Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:45:01Z epony quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T02:45:18Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:52:42Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:52:42Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:52:59Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-15T02:53:43Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T02:57:17Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:02:07Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T03:05:37Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:05:47Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:06:48Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:20:58Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:23:49Z leppie joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:24:06Z ivanshmakov quit (Changing host)
2018-09-15T03:24:06Z ivanshmakov joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:48:32Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-15T03:48:40Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T03:58:54Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T04:06:30Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T04:09:59Z lemonpepper24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T04:23:38Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T04:35:27Z lavaflow quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-15T04:36:12Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T04:57:17Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T05:00:46Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T05:09:33Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-15T05:26:30Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-15T05:28:57Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T05:34:50Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T05:44:07Z Chream quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-15T05:58:03Z nly quit
2018-09-15T06:00:10Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T06:09:05Z DrWaluigi9 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T06:13:08Z DrWaluigi9 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-15T06:15:28Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-15T06:22:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T06:30:55Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T06:35:54Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T06:47:06Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T06:55:54Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T07:02:07Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-15T07:23:29Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-15T07:25:35Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T07:46:01Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T08:05:51Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T08:22:08Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-15T08:31:02Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-15T08:33:46Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-15T08:39:08Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T08:41:29Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-15T08:41:32Z hugh_marera quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T08:41:50Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-15T08:42:36Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-15T09:11:02Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T09:14:50Z cef16 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T09:19:34Z cef16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T09:28:25Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T09:35:08Z Labu quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)
2018-09-15T09:39:30Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-15T09:39:30Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-15T09:39:30Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-15T10:01:00Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T10:02:19Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-15T10:04:49Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-15T10:24:47Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T10:58:20Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:02:58Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:03:09Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T11:03:23Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-15T11:09:46Z amz3 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-15T11:09:46Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:14:11Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-15T11:14:34Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:14:47Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:21:02Z armands19 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:22:33Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-15T11:23:51Z armands19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T11:24:40Z acarrico quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-15T11:45:18Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:50:17Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T11:53:44Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-15T11:54:02Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:05:39Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:09:22Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:11:54Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T12:11:55Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:14:27Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T12:18:27Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T12:22:04Z emar quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T12:30:22Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:47:35Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T12:47:35Z pie__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T12:57:26Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T13:19:02Z xPsycho27 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T13:19:44Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-15T13:21:53Z xPsycho27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T13:25:05Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T13:58:28Z thallada18 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T13:59:42Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:01:13Z Inv1s1ble joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:02:57Z Inv1s1ble quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T14:03:21Z thallada18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T14:03:48Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-15T14:10:56Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:15:27Z pchrist quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-15T14:16:11Z pchrist joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:25:02Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T14:27:15Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:28:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T14:46:23Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-15T15:18:32Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-15T15:21:21Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-15T15:21:38Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T15:22:04Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T15:27:02Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T15:33:31Z micah5 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T15:36:22Z micah5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T16:07:36Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:19:12Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T16:28:58Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:29:37Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:44:15Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-15T16:49:58Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-15T16:52:50Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-15T16:53:08Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:54:50Z jammi9 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:57:43Z jammi9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T16:58:23Z Siorai joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:59:03Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-15T16:59:30Z Siorai: So. Question.  Anyone ever encounted Makefile:950: recipe for target 'install-auxdir-top' failed when installing ?
2018-09-15T17:06:54Z ecraven: which
2018-09-15T17:06:55Z ecraven: Schem
2018-09-15T17:06:56Z ecraven: e
2018-09-15T17:06:57Z ecraven: ;)
2018-09-15T17:07:57Z Siorai: mit-scheme, 9.2
2018-09-15T17:08:27Z Siorai: specific error is make: *** [install-auxdir-top] Error 1
2018-09-15T17:08:44Z ecraven: what did you invoke to get that?
2018-09-15T17:09:09Z ecraven: I think you should be running ./Setup.sh && ./configure && make
2018-09-15T17:10:11Z Siorai: According to https://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Unix-Installation.html
2018-09-15T17:10:48Z ecraven: hm.. not sure, I've never run into this. maybe Riastradh knows?
2018-09-15T17:11:38Z Siorai: I have a super sneaky suspicion it's probably due to the fact that I'm running this under the Windows Subsystem for Linux, lol.
2018-09-15T17:11:52Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T17:13:18Z ecraven: ah, that
2018-09-15T17:13:27Z ecraven: I think I read on the mailing list that that might not work well
2018-09-15T17:14:34Z Siorai: I mean it's certainly possible, but to be honest, the WSL actually works a lot better than most people would think, heh.  I've yet to have any real issues.
2018-09-15T17:15:19Z Siorai: Other than some test cases for Python3.7 when I compiled that, but other than that, it did alright.
2018-09-15T17:18:13Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T17:18:23Z Riastradh: Siorai: Can you share a transcript of your complete interaction, with script(1)?
2018-09-15T17:18:43Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-15T17:24:27Z Siorai: Riastradh: in progress.  Also, how am I just -now- learning about 'script' >.>
2018-09-15T17:26:11Z Siorai: ( it'll likely be a moment or two, the biggest complaint of WSL currently is the abysmal over all disk I/O when compared to either native Windows or native Linux.
2018-09-15T17:31:47Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T17:37:38Z Siorai: Riastradh: http://ix.io/1mLF
2018-09-15T17:40:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T17:49:12Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T17:49:28Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T17:52:44Z ohama quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T17:54:07Z ohama joined #scheme
2018-09-15T18:02:40Z Siorai: Odd eh?
2018-09-15T18:10:20Z cbreak18 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T18:15:55Z cbreak18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T18:17:05Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T18:19:29Z amz3: Siorai: /usr/bin/install: cannot stat 'lib/*.com': No such file or directory
2018-09-15T18:19:40Z amz3: Siorai: that looks not good
2018-09-15T18:25:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T18:32:01Z Zipheir: All that autohell configuration and you still get mysterious build errors.
2018-09-15T18:34:20Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T18:35:16Z Zipheir: Siorai: My only suggestion (and I haven’t built MIT) would be to clean everything and try a fresh build, since it looks like the lib/*.com stuff just isn’t getting built.
2018-09-15T18:42:34Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-15T18:42:55Z aeth: #scheme got mentioned on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17994841
2018-09-15T18:54:15Z havain0 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T18:56:45Z havain0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T19:01:09Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T19:04:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T19:07:16Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T19:07:23Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-15T19:09:43Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-15T19:10:59Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-15T19:23:21Z Siorai: Zipheir I've done a few cleans, even tried a few other options, still nothing. *shrugs*
2018-09-15T19:27:08Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-15T19:42:49Z Siorai: I mean I was able a version on the debian 9 repo that I can use, so it's not that big of a deal.  That being said, it is curious.
2018-09-15T19:47:00Z wasamasa: aeth: it's funny because it's true
2018-09-15T19:47:17Z wasamasa: aeth: newlisp sucks, but #scheme isn't much relevant either
2018-09-15T19:47:28Z Zipheir: aeth: lol, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17995136
2018-09-15T19:50:28Z Zipheir: #scheme: Where even the best languages are met with silence. Er, and everything else.
2018-09-15T19:57:24Z Siorai: Well, I won't lie, the reason why I came in here is because some really good friends of mine suggested the SICP when I asked about a good resource for learning Data Structures and Algorithms.
2018-09-15T19:58:05Z Zipheir: Siorai: Your friends have advised you well.
2018-09-15T19:59:25Z Siorai: *nods*  I started with Python, have a good solid grasp of quite a few thigns, enough to feel comfortable, but since I'm ntirely 100% self taught... the resources for Data Structures and Algorithms have uh... just been too difficult to really understand.
2018-09-15T20:00:40Z Zipheir: They can be pretty dry.
2018-09-15T20:01:08Z Siorai: Dry I can handle, it's the jumping headfirst into crazy math that I didn't really understand.
2018-09-15T20:01:31Z Zipheir: SICP is a probably too general if you’re _just_ interested in structures and algorithms, but it’s an amazing journey, as probably everyone else in here can attest to.
2018-09-15T20:01:34Z Siorai: I have doubt the math in SICP gets real, -real- fast,  but at least it starts off in english.
2018-09-15T20:02:42Z Siorai: Zipheir: I mean to be fair, I'm basically attempting to gain enough understanding in the topics in order to not like a deer in headlines when I have to whiteboard some algorithms for a technical interview, lol
2018-09-15T20:03:19Z Zipheir: Siorai: In that case, SICP might be a lot more than you want.
2018-09-15T20:04:00Z Siorai: But yeah, I'll probably stick around until I hear back from Riastradh to see if they have an idea.
2018-09-15T20:04:39Z ecraven: Siorai: I'd just go as far as the journey takes you, it is indeed a very interesting book, and you can always stop if you don't like it
2018-09-15T20:04:48Z Zipheir: If all else fails with MIT Scheme, you can do SICP with pretty much any Scheme.
2018-09-15T20:05:06Z ecraven: in the interest of fairness I will point out that racket has a dedicated SICP mode, which even shows you the graphics language in the repl (I've heard)
2018-09-15T20:05:12Z ecraven: though I really love MIT/GNU Scheme!
2018-09-15T20:05:32Z Zipheir: CHICKEN has an SICP egg, though not as fancy as the Racket mode.
2018-09-15T20:05:34Z Siorai: The WSL is fairly interesting in that it's actually -breaking- some testcases  for certain things.
2018-09-15T20:06:04Z Siorai: So anytime I encounter an issue with it, I try to see if I at least help narrow down where the problem is.
2018-09-15T20:06:12Z electrical_2 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:06:19Z Zipheir: WSL?
2018-09-15T20:06:33Z Siorai: Windows Subsystem for Linux.
2018-09-15T20:06:36Z Zipheir: Ah.
2018-09-15T20:06:50Z Zipheir: Whiteboard-Specific Language is what I guessed.
2018-09-15T20:06:52Z Siorai: It's a linux compatible kernel that contains no linux code, and written by Microsoft.
2018-09-15T20:06:56Z electrical_2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T20:07:16Z Zipheir: How well does that run?
2018-09-15T20:07:49Z Siorai: It allows you to run most linux code, natively, as a campatibility layer, instead of having to virtualize a complete set of hardware like you do with a VM.
2018-09-15T20:08:09Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:08:15Z ecraven: isn't it missing some important things like filesystem locks or whatever?
2018-09-15T20:08:31Z Zipheir: Right. Heh, I want to run Wine on it.
2018-09-15T20:08:56Z Siorai: Zipheir I -think- it might be CLI only? Though, honestly, I have no idea, I only use it for CLI. lol
2018-09-15T20:10:44Z Zipheir: WP says it run X11...
2018-09-15T20:10:56Z Siorai: ecraven: the WSL? Unsure.  I do know that you can access the windows filesystem in the terminal, it's just mounted to /mnt/c/
2018-09-15T20:11:11Z Siorai: Zipheir huh, interesting.
2018-09-15T20:12:45Z Zipheir: Although I imagine the performance of graphical stuff will be terrible without hardware acceleration.
2018-09-15T20:13:19Z ecraven: I don't think it supports anything but the console
2018-09-15T20:14:36Z Siorai: Just have to install an X11 server within WIndows.
2018-09-15T20:14:39Z Zipheir: ecraven: Apparently it's possible, if hairy, c.f. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux#Limitations
2018-09-15T20:15:13Z Siorai: Heh, those screen shots work though.
2018-09-15T20:15:16Z Zipheir: I’m still amazed MS wrote this thing...
2018-09-15T20:16:09Z Siorai: Zipheir me too to be honest.  The I/O performance can be.... well flat out terrible.
2018-09-15T20:17:05Z Siorai: There's even native OpenSSH on it as of some recent build.
2018-09-15T20:17:53Z Zipheir: Weird.
2018-09-15T20:19:56Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-15T20:20:00Z Siorai: So the book claims that students just sort of... pick up how to use Lisp naturally... I guess I can kind of see that.... though knowing how to exit would be nice ( flashbacks to the first 30 or so times he used vim )
2018-09-15T20:20:34Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:21:22Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-15T20:22:47Z Zipheir: Picking up Lisp naturally, sure. Picking up Lisp implementations... might take some time.
2018-09-15T20:23:33Z aeth: wasamasa: It's not so much that NewLisp sucks but that it competes with... 95% of nonstandard (i.e. non-CL, non-Scheme) Lisps so it isn't particularly interesting, at least imo
2018-09-15T20:24:34Z aeth: If someone's going to have a Lisp fill a niche, it needs to be semantically very different, e.g. Clojure
2018-09-15T20:24:54Z wasamasa: there's at least two competitors that do way better than newlisp
2018-09-15T20:24:59Z wasamasa: picolisp and txr-lisp
2018-09-15T20:25:17Z wasamasa: I can go through their manuals without wondering whether the author is an idiot
2018-09-15T20:25:41Z wasamasa: or worse, considers their users to be
2018-09-15T20:25:51Z aeth: What there isn't enough of is "typed-oriented" Lisps. There's http://shenlanguage.org/ and https://docs.racket-lang.org/ts-guide/index.html and even, to some extent, SBCL's non-standard CL behavior.
2018-09-15T20:26:00Z Zipheir: Did Arc ever develop a community? I was reading a bit about it recently and realized I’d never seen anyone mention it.
2018-09-15T20:26:23Z wasamasa: no idea about arc
2018-09-15T20:26:31Z aeth: Zipheir: Last time this came up on IRC, I got banned from http://arclanguage.org/forum for going to too many pages too quickly (and I'm still blocked)
2018-09-15T20:26:33Z wasamasa: the only thing of interest for it is hackernews
2018-09-15T20:26:34Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:26:36Z aeth: Zipheir: Very dead website
2018-09-15T20:26:44Z Zipheir: aeth: Heh.
2018-09-15T20:26:57Z Zipheir: aeth: Not everything Paul Graham touches turns to gold, I guess.
2018-09-15T20:27:17Z aeth: Arc came 10 years too late to be interesting
2018-09-15T20:27:18Z rain1: what was the point of arc
2018-09-15T20:27:26Z rain1: save seconds typing def instead of define ?
2018-09-15T20:27:27Z Siorai: So if Scheme is a dialect of Lisp, what's that make 'mit-scheme' a sub dialect?
2018-09-15T20:27:40Z Zipheir: Siorai: Yes.
2018-09-15T20:28:24Z aeth: Arc was basically CL mixed with Scheme mixed with Perl, but only the parts PG liked of each. And it did everything through HTML tables (which were dated at the time) and had no unicode support (unusual at the time) and it was written in PLT Scheme in a way that made it hard to port to Racket (the comunity fork that no one uses did get ported, HN did not)
2018-09-15T20:28:55Z mon8 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:29:12Z Siorai thinks
2018-09-15T20:29:20Z aeth: The only active projects on Github are either implementations of Arc (including HN iirc... i.e. the standard implementation is part of Hackernews) or miscategorized projects.
2018-09-15T20:30:02Z wasamasa: Siorai: mit-scheme is an implementation of scheme
2018-09-15T20:30:04Z Zipheir: Oh, HN uses it, that’s hardly surprising.
2018-09-15T20:30:18Z Zipheir: aeth: Thanks, that was quite informative.
2018-09-15T20:30:21Z Siorai: So I know in the Python world, Python is the language itself, but the -implimentation- of 'Standard' python, is Cython...
2018-09-15T20:30:23Z wasamasa: Siorai: much like nodejs is an implementation of JS
2018-09-15T20:30:39Z aeth: literally the only use of Arc going back years is HN. There are multiple implementations of it, though. JS, Java, Racket, etc.
2018-09-15T20:30:44Z aeth: (iirc)
2018-09-15T20:30:56Z wasamasa: scheme is interesting because there's way more implementations of the language standards than usual
2018-09-15T20:31:46Z Zipheir: Siorai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)#Implementations
2018-09-15T20:31:53Z aeth: Arc is what Scheme would be if people only wrote Schemes and didn't write anything in Scheme. Except still less interest.
2018-09-15T20:33:03Z Zipheir: aeth: Funny, because I was skimming Land of Lisp recently and the author seems to think Arc might be the next big thing in Lisp.
2018-09-15T20:33:07Z groovy2shoes quit (Quit: moritura te salutat)
2018-09-15T20:33:33Z aeth: LoL was, unfortunately, published at peak Arc hype. The author tried to find something good about it and decided it was "brevity"
2018-09-15T20:33:47Z mon8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-15T20:33:59Z aeth: Arc was, unfortunately, published at peak Clojure hype. So it never even got the most attention at the time as a brand new Lisp implementation.
2018-09-15T20:34:07Z rain1: what do you all think scheme should do differentl?
2018-09-15T20:34:21Z wasamasa: not include call/cc
2018-09-15T20:34:26Z aeth: rain1: I just mentioned it in another channel that was talking about http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/5/Module%20srfi-4
2018-09-15T20:34:50Z aeth: < aeth> I don't like how Scheme handles sequence types, having a separate function for each one < aeth> It's the only way to get good type inference without type declarations like you'd have to do in efficient CL, but you turn one type declaration into potentially dozens of "declarations" right in the procedure call's name.
2018-09-15T20:36:36Z wasamasa: Zipheir: your link reminds me of https://zephir-lang.com/
2018-09-15T20:36:54Z Zipheir: I'd like to see more support for pure functional programming in Scheme, but that’s already becoming a reality through recent SRFIs.
2018-09-15T20:36:55Z aeth: (You could also just analyze the program globally, of course. So it's not quite "the only way")
2018-09-15T20:38:54Z Zipheir: aeth: I’m not clear on what you’re arguing for. Generic accessors for list/vector/...?
2018-09-15T20:38:58Z Siorai: Zipheir: Yeah, the only thing I knew about Lisp coming into this was infinite parenthesis, and that, if you can master it, chances are pretty good that you can land a job working for some big company that works with it.
2018-09-15T20:39:13Z aeth: Zipheir: At the very least for vectors.
2018-09-15T20:39:53Z aeth: Zipheir: just having aref and (setf aref) leads to a much cleaner API, at the expense of performance if the type is unknown (which is why I said that in CL you put a type declaration when you need to with arrays)
2018-09-15T20:40:04Z wasamasa: Siorai: well, it's not that simple
2018-09-15T20:40:13Z Zipheir: wasamasa: Zephir redirects to PHP on Wikipedia :-(
2018-09-15T20:40:27Z wasamasa: Siorai: there's plenty of CL users in here that wouldn't take on a clojure job
2018-09-15T20:41:18Z Siorai: CL = an implimentation of Lisp?
2018-09-15T20:41:44Z Siorai: OH sorry, Common Lisp, >.>
2018-09-15T20:41:54Z aeth: lol, even Clojure had to give into the gradually typed hype. https://github.com/clojure/core.typed/wiki/User-Guide
2018-09-15T20:43:28Z aeth: Clojure hype slowly died when all of the hype moved to type systems (e.g. TypeScript)
2018-09-15T20:44:21Z Siorai: Huh. So Clojure compiles to ECMAScript3...
2018-09-15T20:44:48Z aeth: Apparently ClojureScript is one of the more mature Lisps-on-JS
2018-09-15T20:45:09Z Siorai: I'm going to take a guess and say there's a large amount of various implimentations for Lisp
2018-09-15T20:45:17Z aeth: wasm is probably where our hopes will be if we want to run Lisps in the browser, though
2018-09-15T20:45:26Z Siorai: I guess i did turn.. what... 60 years old this year?
2018-09-15T20:46:01Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:46:03Z aeth: And only Fortran is older (by a year)
2018-09-15T20:46:14Z aeth: (Well, of languages still in use)
2018-09-15T20:46:50Z aeth: iirc pjb can run old LISP programs in Common Lisp
2018-09-15T20:47:14Z aeth: So there is continuity there
2018-09-15T20:47:29Z Siorai: Someone I was talking to about this mentioned to me, ( or maybe I read it in the book? ) That one of the interesting things about Lisp is that the code can just sort of flow, naturally, like a human thought process always moving forward.
2018-09-15T20:47:58Z Zipheir: Maybe if you think in prefix notation. :)
2018-09-15T20:48:34Z aeth: Arithmetic is the only thing that it makes more awkward (assuming you were only trained to do infix arithmetic)
2018-09-15T20:48:49Z aeth: Except I would qualify this more and say arithmetic excluding division
2018-09-15T20:49:23Z aeth: It's natural to do (/ numerator \n denominator)
2018-09-15T20:49:41Z aeth: Math is a 2D language, after all. Languages like Fortran that claim to express the math notation are all 1D.
2018-09-15T20:50:14Z ecraven: APL!
2018-09-15T20:51:09Z aeth: Someone needs to make executable LaTeX as a programming language.
2018-09-15T20:51:20Z aeth: Well, just the LaTeX math parts.
2018-09-15T20:51:38Z ecraven: LaTeX notation is still 1D
2018-09-15T20:52:00Z aeth: But you can type in LaTeX and have your editor render it in real time.
2018-09-15T20:52:19Z Zipheir: Is LaTeX Turing Complete? I can’t remember.
2018-09-15T20:52:22Z qu1j0t3: yes.
2018-09-15T20:52:24Z qu1j0t3: TeX is.
2018-09-15T20:52:31Z Zipheir: Ah, thanks qu1j0t3.
2018-09-15T20:52:38Z aeth: Typing LaTeX math can be the *input mechanism* of a modern, even more advanced APL
2018-09-15T20:52:54Z qu1j0t3: aeth: ...it's not terribly well adapted to that
2018-09-15T20:54:20Z ecraven: aeth: I'd rather base a more advanced APL on actual APL than on LaTeX ;)
2018-09-15T20:54:38Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-15T20:54:51Z ecraven: I've found APL to be the most interesting programming language I've seen in a long time (maybe ever).. it seems much more different from all other languages than any other language I've seen
2018-09-15T20:59:01Z josecso quit (Quit: Free ZNC from ZNC.BG - Account expired)
2018-09-15T20:59:40Z Siorai: Huh, someone wrote a Lisp that runs Python.
2018-09-15T21:12:14Z aeth: Hy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy
2018-09-15T21:12:38Z aeth: I'd be careful trying to use languages like that in a real project.
2018-09-15T21:13:27Z aeth: Lots of people on IRC try to use Lisp but in $language and then wind up with issues when it turns out that the Lispish language's author knows $language much more than Lisp.
2018-09-15T21:14:30Z aeth: Afaik, Common Lisp, some mature dialects of Scheme, and Clojure are the only Lisps usable in production. (I guess you could use Emacs Lisp, too, but please don't. It's meant for scripting Emacs.)
2018-09-15T21:16:08Z mrm: Emacs Lisp is probably one of the most commonly used lisps.
2018-09-15T21:16:14Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-15T21:16:51Z wasamasa: I answered a question where someone asked how to create AWS lambda, but with elisp
2018-09-15T21:17:45Z mrm: Are you happy, you monster?
2018-09-15T21:18:17Z wasamasa: well, I still asked them why they feel the need for that
2018-09-15T21:18:22Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-15T21:18:30Z wasamasa: I'm not terribly convinced of this "serverless" thing anyway
2018-09-15T21:18:50Z wasamasa: https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/9ftwas/rpc_elisp_interpreter/
2018-09-15T21:19:27Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-15T21:19:28Z mrm: I prefer 'computerless' computing.
2018-09-15T21:19:48Z aeth: mrm: I am capable of doing that
2018-09-15T21:19:50Z mrm: computation that actually happens is so constrained and limited.
2018-09-15T21:20:25Z aeth: mrm: I can do long division, various forms of multiplication, various forms of addition and subtraction, etc.
2018-09-15T21:20:31Z aeth: mrm: I even know the algorithms to convert between bases
2018-09-15T21:20:46Z aeth: If you need computerless computing and can wait a few days for your results, I'm the person you want
2018-09-15T21:21:02Z aeth: The full work will be shown, of course, so you know I didn't just use a computer to solve your problem
2018-09-15T21:21:05Z mrm: aeth: You're just a meat computer. Even more limited than the silicon kind.
2018-09-15T21:21:25Z aeth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_computer
2018-09-15T21:21:57Z mrm: It's all just meat.
2018-09-15T21:22:18Z mrm: The thinking meat doesn't even taste that good.
2018-09-15T21:22:34Z aeth: eh, for us no
2018-09-15T21:23:06Z aeth: but just go to [[Cannibalism]] on Wikipedia and you'd find descriptions of people who disagree.
2018-09-15T21:24:15Z amz3: serverless is meh at best
2018-09-15T21:29:18Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-15T21:32:25Z aeth: amz3: Why is it even 'meh'?
2018-09-15T21:32:54Z aeth: Looks to me like it's just a way to get people to spend more money on cloud services. It's not like running a Linux server VM is hard.
2018-09-15T21:33:16Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-15T21:34:40Z amz3: aeth: you spend more money that is correct, but the problem is that it's a vendor lock-in as of right now
2018-09-15T21:34:58Z aeth: Isn't the largest problem the limited language support?
2018-09-15T21:34:59Z amz3: you can not run aws serverless on another cloud even private cloud afaik
2018-09-15T21:35:14Z amz3: no
2018-09-15T21:35:21Z amz3: I mean yes it's a problem
2018-09-15T21:36:06Z amz3: maybe I am getting to old, I have no problem running vm in aws
2018-09-15T21:36:15Z amz3: s/to/too/
2018-09-15T21:36:35Z amz3: but serverless is impossible to test locally
2018-09-15T21:37:24Z qu1j0t3: aeth: it's not that running a linux vm is hard. it's apples and oranges.
2018-09-15T21:38:07Z qu1j0t3: problem #1, EC2 instances are ephemeral. And have extremely many moving parts. For example, you have to keep them updated...
2018-09-15T21:38:30Z amz3: what's the problem with keeping them updated?
2018-09-15T21:38:39Z qu1j0t3: there's no orchestration. and so on. we don't have to pretend we're in 1997 running a colo machine forever
2018-09-15T21:38:49Z qu1j0t3: amz3: Do you run any production services in the cloud?
2018-09-15T21:38:55Z amz3: yes you are right
2018-09-15T21:39:00Z amz3: my company does
2018-09-15T21:39:16Z qu1j0t3: there are things about running an EC2 you _really don't want_ to deal with.
2018-09-15T21:39:29Z qu1j0t3: a really important one, and often forgotten, is that those instances can go away at any time.
2018-09-15T21:39:38Z amz3: orchestration is not a solved problem, but that said, orchestration is only a problem because of microservices
2018-09-15T21:39:50Z qu1j0t3: you you want orchestation layers on top of that. which implies a lot of things, possibly including containerisation.
2018-09-15T21:40:19Z amz3: again containerisation is required because of 'microservice' approach
2018-09-15T21:40:24Z qu1j0t3: yes and no.
2018-09-15T21:40:34Z qu1j0t3: it's a possible way to deal with the ephemerality of EC2.
2018-09-15T21:41:03Z qu1j0t3: (it has many other advantages. I don't see any particular connection between containers and microservices tbh. containerisation has benefits for a single service)
2018-09-15T21:42:30Z amz3: why is that?
2018-09-15T21:43:00Z amz3: I am interested in this topic, because avoiding complex orchestration and serverless is the point of my work
2018-09-15T21:43:37Z amz3: (my free-time work)
2018-09-15T21:43:59Z qu1j0t3: so i guess you've already looked at kubernetes on GCP or EKS, and ECS
2018-09-15T21:44:44Z qu1j0t3: i'm only interested in avoiding _non-automated_ orchestration, which bare EC2 would mandate
2018-09-15T21:45:03Z qu1j0t3: Kubernetes is pretty close to what I want, usually. although mostly we run stuff on ECS.
2018-09-15T21:45:15Z amz3: yes looked at k8s
2018-09-15T21:45:21Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T21:45:42Z amz3: but I have another intrepretation of the borg paper
2018-09-15T21:45:50Z qu1j0t3: as for serverless we don't have a heap running there, only CI/CD hooks mostly, but i think there is value in it per se
2018-09-15T21:46:10Z qu1j0t3: some of that value overlaps what k8s/ECS would offer
2018-09-15T21:46:22Z amz3: oh
2018-09-15T21:46:24Z qu1j0t3: but even more abstracted, obviously
2018-09-15T21:46:44Z qu1j0t3: we've recently been trying out ECS Fargate, which abstracts away the cluster concept
2018-09-15T21:47:26Z amz3: tx for the pointers
2018-09-15T21:47:41Z amz3: how do you handle background tasks? do you use the aws queue?
2018-09-15T21:47:44Z qu1j0t3: (i generally think of Lambda when people say serverless, but maybe people mean ECS and k8s as well?)
2018-09-15T21:47:55Z qu1j0t3: amz3: Yeah we use SQS
2018-09-15T21:48:08Z qu1j0t3: amz3: but honestly most of what i deploy are just http APIs
2018-09-15T21:48:14Z qu1j0t3: amz3: And some front-ends
2018-09-15T21:48:52Z amz3: you use SQS to distribute tasks to background workers?
2018-09-15T21:49:01Z amz3: like everyone else :D
2018-09-15T21:49:13Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-15T21:49:18Z amz3: everything is an HTTP API and frontend AFAICT
2018-09-15T21:50:16Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-15T21:50:27Z amz3: I also think of lambda when people say serverless
2018-09-15T21:50:47Z amz3: that is aws lambda
2018-09-15T21:51:47Z fmnt left #scheme
2018-09-15T22:02:09Z Siorai: forgot my first '(' and I got yelled at.
2018-09-15T22:05:15Z qu1j0t3: amz3: yeah distribute work
2018-09-15T22:05:16Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T22:06:00Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:10:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:15:04Z Siorai notices the '3 error>' instead of the '1 ]=>'.... heads over to the docs to read about it..... gets even more confused
2018-09-15T22:16:11Z Riastradh: Siorai: When an error happens, Scheme remembers the state of the program at the time of the error so that you can diagnose it, indicated by the `error' prompt, e.g. by typing (debug).
2018-09-15T22:16:46Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T22:17:10Z Riastradh: Siorai: You can discard that state by typing C-g, or C-c C-u to just go up one level (if an error happens while you're diagnosing, it recursively remembers that state, and so on, hence the `3 error>' which will go to `2 error>' after one C-c C-u and then `1 ]=>' after another).
2018-09-15T22:21:03Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:21:33Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T22:23:32Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-15T22:24:16Z Riastradh: Siorai: As for the error: does mit-scheme-9.2/src/lib have files named all.com and runtime.com in it?
2018-09-15T22:26:07Z Siorai: Riastradh it does not.
2018-09-15T22:26:55Z Siorai: Riastradh oh, so C-g is  Control+g, okay.
2018-09-15T22:27:16Z Riastradh: Siorai: Can you unpack mit-scheme-9.2-i386.tar.gz afresh and see if the files are there?
2018-09-15T22:27:39Z Riastradh: Did you make clean at some point to restart?  That would do it.
2018-09-15T22:29:01Z Siorai: Sure, expaning now
2018-09-15T22:29:25Z Siorai: also, I am using mit-scheme-9.2-x86-64.tar.gz instead of the i386
2018-09-15T22:29:30Z Siorai: that have any bearing?
2018-09-15T22:30:27Z Riastradh: No, files by the same name should be in both of them.
2018-09-15T22:30:40Z Siorai: yep, it's in there.
2018-09-15T22:31:33Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T22:31:42Z Siorai: so just as normal, ./configure && make compile-microcode -j && sudo make install
2018-09-15T22:32:17Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:33:09Z Riastradh: OK.  Can you try again?
2018-09-15T22:33:18Z Siorai: Doing that now.
2018-09-15T22:37:34Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-15T22:43:29Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:49:49Z applejack18 joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:50:13Z Siorai: ^5 Riastradh
2018-09-15T22:50:45Z applejack18 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-15T22:53:52Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-15T22:54:55Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-15T22:55:59Z Siorai: And there we go, release 9.2.
2018-09-15T22:56:47Z Siorai: ... release 9.1.1 is Copyright 2011 MIT, but image saved on 12/03/2016, but 9.2 is copyright 2014 MIT, Image Saved on May 17, 2014.... ?
2018-09-15T22:57:41Z Riastradh: I think Chris might have back-ported some changes to the 9.1 branch so it could build 9.2, and then released the result as 9.1.1.
2018-09-15T22:58:24Z Siorai: Appreciate the assist btw Riastradh.
2018-09-15T22:58:37Z Siorai: That being said, I am curious to know why make clean took out needed files for the build.
2018-09-15T23:09:57Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-15T23:10:33Z Siorai: because each time I ran 'make clean' I'd start fresh, './configure && make compile-microcode sudo make install'
2018-09-15T23:25:54Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T00:07:31Z l joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:07:52Z l is now known as Guest72930
2018-09-16T00:14:01Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:15:30Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T00:17:49Z Guest72930 left #scheme
2018-09-16T00:18:03Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:19:50Z llllllllllll left #scheme
2018-09-16T00:21:18Z Siorai: So I'm going slow through SICP, ( because I can't stop playing with the interpreter)  But I did already find a real usecase for it on one of my current projects.  A D&D CharacterGenerator of all things.
2018-09-16T00:23:05Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:23:08Z llllllllllll: hi
2018-09-16T00:23:20Z Siorai: Hey there
2018-09-16T00:23:34Z llllllllllll: im trying to write a simple compiler for scheme
2018-09-16T00:23:43Z llllllllllll: and got stuck
2018-09-16T00:25:08Z llllllllllll: with flattening nested expressions
2018-09-16T00:25:44Z rain1: i can help you with that
2018-09-16T00:25:48Z aeth: Like this? (+ 1 2 (+ 3 4))
2018-09-16T00:26:21Z lavaflow quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-16T00:26:26Z llllllllllll: more like this '(program (let ([x (+ (- 10) 11)]) (+ x 41))))
2018-09-16T00:27:19Z llllllllllll: https://pastebin.com/3EZN18hg here's my function
2018-09-16T00:28:41Z llllllllllll: one problem i can't get rid off is with the list constructing when recuring with (,op . ,es) pattern
2018-09-16T00:29:43Z llllllllllll: maybe there is other way to do it altogether
2018-09-16T00:31:11Z rain1: oh right i get what you mean
2018-09-16T00:31:25Z rain1: it's not producing a flat list like it should
2018-09-16T00:32:37Z rain1: can you give map3 ?
2018-09-16T00:32:44Z rain1: i'm trying to run your code
2018-09-16T00:33:21Z llllllllllll: (define (map3 f ls)
2018-09-16T00:33:21Z llllllllllll:   (cond [(null? ls)
2018-09-16T00:33:21Z llllllllllll:          (values '() '() '())]
2018-09-16T00:33:21Z llllllllllll:         [else
2018-09-16T00:33:21Z llllllllllll:          (let-values ([(x1 x2 x3) (f (car ls))]
2018-09-16T00:33:22Z llllllllllll:                       [(ls1 ls2 ls3) (map3 f (cdr ls))])
2018-09-16T00:33:22Z llllllllllll:            (values (cons x1 ls1) (cons x2 ls2) (cons x3 ls3)))]))
2018-09-16T00:33:26Z rain1: thank you
2018-09-16T00:33:52Z llllllllllll: thanks
2018-09-16T00:34:52Z rain1: > (flatten'(program (+ 2 3)))
2018-09-16T00:34:54Z rain1: '(program (() () g3726) () () (assign g3726 (+ 2 3)) (return g3726))
2018-09-16T00:35:06Z rain1: so this seems like a minimized example of the problem
2018-09-16T00:38:34Z rain1: hmm so n a v are all lists and then you use ,@ with them all
2018-09-16T00:38:43Z rain1: so that seems like the right thing to be doing
2018-09-16T00:39:04Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:39:29Z rain1: I wonder if it's the way program makes used of the result of the (,op . ,es) case
2018-09-16T00:40:01Z llllllllllll: when it recurs on 2 and 3
2018-09-16T00:40:08Z rain1: both v and a have extra ()'s in them that aren't wanted
2018-09-16T00:40:24Z llllllllllll: it uses ,n (integer? n) pattern
2018-09-16T00:40:52Z llllllllllll: so it returns with (2 '() '()) and (3 '() '())
2018-09-16T00:41:43Z rain1: i see, so i think the problem is that a and v are lists of lists
2018-09-16T00:42:08Z rain1:                              `((assign ,new-name (,op ,@n)) ,@ass ,@(concatenate a))
2018-09-16T00:42:10Z rain1:                              `(,new-name ,@vars ,@(concatenate v)))))]))))
2018-09-16T00:42:15Z rain1: so you need to do this
2018-09-16T00:42:19Z rain1: (define (concatenate lists) (apply append lists))
2018-09-16T00:45:19Z llllllllllll: works, thank you
2018-09-16T00:47:03Z rain1: great
2018-09-16T00:47:40Z rain1: appending lots of lists together like this is good because it gives the correct result but it's also creating an O(n^2) inefficiency
2018-09-16T00:48:02Z rain1: https://rain-1.github.io/scheme-1 you can use this technique to get efficient code again
2018-09-16T00:48:21Z llllllllllll: thanks, very cool
2018-09-16T00:48:31Z klovett quit
2018-09-16T00:53:09Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-16T00:57:26Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-16T01:03:15Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T01:03:33Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:16:33Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T01:19:39Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T01:21:40Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:22:05Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:24:06Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T01:25:15Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T01:27:07Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:35:37Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T01:40:10Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-16T01:42:44Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:43:39Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:46:47Z emar quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T01:47:32Z mejja quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-16T01:48:31Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-16T01:52:38Z mejja: rudybot: cornflakes
2018-09-16T01:52:39Z rudybot: mejja: cornflakes suck anyways
2018-09-16T01:52:42Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-16T01:52:50Z qu1j0t3: tru
2018-09-16T01:59:52Z mejja quit
2018-09-16T02:08:38Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:11:50Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:14:18Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T02:14:37Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:16:09Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:17:03Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T02:19:00Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T02:33:16Z mishanti13 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:36:05Z mishanti13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T02:36:35Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:41:48Z dbmikus__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T02:44:46Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:48:00Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:50:22Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T02:51:01Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-16T02:58:12Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-16T03:05:16Z yosafbridge quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-16T03:10:05Z yosafbridge joined #scheme
2018-09-16T03:14:13Z kamog joined #scheme
2018-09-16T03:16:43Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T03:23:01Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-16T03:35:21Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T03:55:57Z pjb` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T04:13:01Z lockywolf: Hi, guys. Could anyone tell me how to get the current directory in r7rs?
2018-09-16T04:14:33Z Menche: I don't think r7rs has that
2018-09-16T04:15:03Z lockywolf: I don't seem able to find any of the (pwd), (working-directory), (working-directory-pathname)in Chibi.
2018-09-16T04:18:44Z lockywolf: What's the most 'canonical' way of doing that in modern scheme?
2018-09-16T04:18:57Z lockywolf: Srfi? Slib?
2018-09-16T04:22:12Z Riastradh: Siorai: `make clean' is for a build from source, to delete the binaries that were built; this is a binary distribution.
2018-09-16T04:23:07Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-16T04:23:43Z Menche: gambit has (current-directory), chicken's manual says it should but it doesn't work
2018-09-16T04:23:46Z Menche: hrm
2018-09-16T04:38:33Z Zipheir: (current-working-directory), maybe.
2018-09-16T04:39:38Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-16T04:41:07Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-16T04:52:08Z lockywolf: any srfi dealing with this?
2018-09-16T04:55:03Z Zipheir: There's a POSIX SRFI forthcoming, iirc. But OS stuff is implementation-specific for the most part.
2018-09-16T04:55:11Z Zipheir: Welcome to Scheme. :)
2018-09-16T04:55:54Z pjb` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T04:57:35Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T04:58:29Z Zipheir: lockywolf: According to http://synthcode.com/scheme/chibi/lib/chibi/filesystem.html, chibi uses (current-directory).
2018-09-16T05:02:34Z lemonpepper24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T05:04:47Z jcowan_: That is, I hope there is a Posix SRFI forthcoming.  It's going to be teh nasty.
2018-09-16T05:04:49Z Menche: ok chicken does have (current-directory), just have to import a lib
2018-09-16T05:05:44Z lockywolf: Well, I solved it by (slib directory)
2018-09-16T05:06:12Z lockywolf: Slib is ported to snow, so this seems to be quite a portable solution.
2018-09-16T05:07:09Z Zipheir: lockywolf: What's wrong with (chibi filesystem)?
2018-09-16T05:07:52Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:09:38Z lockywolf: Zipheir, implementation-specific, posix-only
2018-09-16T05:10:02Z Menche: how does one use snow?
2018-09-16T05:11:18Z Zipheir: lockywolf, ah, so it is.
2018-09-16T05:11:18Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:11:35Z lockywolf: I know, that's not a very schemish answer
2018-09-16T05:11:53Z lockywolf: 'love thine implementation'
2018-09-16T05:12:13Z lockywolf: But if I can solve it in an implemntation-free way, why not
2018-09-16T05:12:14Z Zipheir: No, they’re both legitimate complaints.
2018-09-16T05:12:21Z slicksam joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:14:59Z Zipheir: Is snow maintained? Their website says Snow APIs are R4RS-compatibile.
2018-09-16T05:15:22Z Menche: does not seem to work with CHICKEN
2018-09-16T05:15:46Z jcowan_: There are two Snows
2018-09-16T05:16:02Z cross quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:17:07Z slicksam quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:17:17Z Zipheir: The packages on snow.iro.umontreal.ca haven’t been updated literally in decades, so I’m guessing that’s not it.
2018-09-16T05:17:34Z cross joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:18:05Z Menche: schemespheres.org?
2018-09-16T05:18:15Z Zipheir: snow-fort.org seems active.
2018-09-16T05:18:29Z Menche: schemespheres seems to be mostly aimed at gambit-c
2018-09-16T05:20:19Z lockywolf: http://snow-fort.org/pkg
2018-09-16T05:20:40Z Menche: huh actually spheres also uses R7RS modules
2018-09-16T05:20:41Z lockywolf: Seems there are some updates in 2018
2018-09-16T05:21:12Z lockywolf: Shall I even ignore the filesystem completely?
2018-09-16T05:21:19Z lockywolf: And use the 'vicinities' thing?
2018-09-16T05:21:22Z Menche: http://www.schemespheres.org/
2018-09-16T05:21:29Z Zipheir: They’ve got what seems to be a portable TLS package...
2018-09-16T05:24:16Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:24:35Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:25:20Z lockywolf: > (program-vicinity)
2018-09-16T05:25:20Z lockywolf: ""
2018-09-16T05:25:20Z lockywolf: > (library-vicinity)
2018-09-16T05:25:21Z lockywolf: ""
2018-09-16T05:25:21Z lockywolf: > (home-vicinity)
2018-09-16T05:25:22Z lockywolf: "/root"
2018-09-16T05:25:24Z lockywolf: > (implementation-vicinity)
2018-09-16T05:25:26Z lockywolf: ""
2018-09-16T05:25:28Z lockywolf: > (library-vicinity)
2018-09-16T05:25:30Z lockywolf: ""
2018-09-16T05:25:34Z lockywolf: >
2018-09-16T05:25:36Z lockywolf: yeah, Chibi, nice job
2018-09-16T05:26:37Z yakaar joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:29:04Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:29:06Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:31:27Z yakaar quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T05:34:16Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-16T05:34:44Z lockywolf: What's the best IDE for scheme? Emacs?
2018-09-16T05:36:44Z Menche is on team vim
2018-09-16T05:37:13Z Menche: …editorwise I just need the jump to matching paren feature
2018-09-16T05:37:37Z Menche: gambit has a very nice REPL with tab completion
2018-09-16T05:37:45Z Menche: idk about chibi
2018-09-16T05:38:37Z Zipheir would like something like ghcid for Scheme.
2018-09-16T05:38:49Z lockywolf: Racket is quite cool.
2018-09-16T05:39:17Z lockywolf: I like the unicode chars, arrows to the definitions and the code outline.
2018-09-16T05:39:44Z lockywolf: But it doesn't support r7rs.
2018-09-16T05:39:58Z lockywolf: And frankly speaking, isn't even Scheme.
2018-09-16T05:40:06Z Menche: it has a r7rs, uh, mode? package? definition?
2018-09-16T05:40:13Z lockywolf: #lang
2018-09-16T05:40:21Z lockywolf: Yeah, it doesn.
2018-09-16T05:40:22Z Menche: yeah that
2018-09-16T05:40:25Z lockywolf: *does
2018-09-16T05:40:44Z lockywolf: But it's just the small language and nothing else.
2018-09-16T05:41:14Z Zipheir: ATM r7rs is just the small language and nothing else.
2018-09-16T05:41:44Z Menche: I think one book of the large language has been finalized
2018-09-16T05:41:46Z lockywolf: Well, Chibi supports, say '(scheme ephemeron)'
2018-09-16T05:42:06Z lockywolf: there is an alpha of the large language
2018-09-16T05:42:29Z Zipheir: Ephemerons are SRFI 124, iirc.
2018-09-16T05:42:57Z lockywolf: Yeah, but afair, in racket you can't just (import (srfi 124))
2018-09-16T05:43:29Z lockywolf: well, r7rs-large IS just a bunch of srfi under different names
2018-09-16T05:43:50Z prince_jammys joined #scheme
2018-09-16T05:44:42Z lockywolf: essentially, without the #lang r7rs directive, racket's parser goes nuts
2018-09-16T05:44:53Z lockywolf: and with one you can't use anywhere but in racket
2018-09-16T05:45:09Z Zipheir: Yeah, Racket is too far afield from Scheme for my taste.
2018-09-16T05:45:39Z Zipheir: I’m skeptical of the whole “many different language modes” design concept.
2018-09-16T05:46:36Z Menche: the scheme working group files seem to be all messed up
2018-09-16T05:46:39Z prince_jammys quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T05:46:59Z Menche: the wiki redirects to bitbucket and bitbucket must have changed stuff
2018-09-16T05:47:07Z Menche: broken links abound
2018-09-16T05:49:01Z mrm: Zipheir: What are you skeptical about?
2018-09-16T05:51:09Z Zipheir: mrm: It seems like an unfocused design philosophy. Write one language and write it well!
2018-09-16T05:55:54Z Zipheir: I don’t understand Racket’s obsession with more and more features. The justification seems to be because the developers want it to be a good learning tool, I guess.
2018-09-16T05:59:04Z Zipheir: It’s sort of a uber-playground of programming paradigms.
2018-09-16T05:59:52Z Siorai: How does the feature set of Racket compare to say, mit-scheme ?
2018-09-16T06:01:06Z Zipheir: Racket does much, much more.
2018-09-16T06:01:45Z Siorai nods
2018-09-16T06:02:27Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T06:02:28Z Siorai: I mean I come from Python, so... going to any dialect of Lisp has been.... can't think of the word.
2018-09-16T06:02:37Z Siorai: "refreshing" but... more.
2018-09-16T06:02:56Z Zipheir: batteries not included?
2018-09-16T06:03:59Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:04:03Z Siorai: Theraputic. That's a better descriptor.
2018-09-16T06:04:05Z lockywolf_: Well, it's not a bad idea to have everything.
2018-09-16T06:04:17Z lockywolf_: As long as it is consistent.
2018-09-16T06:04:24Z Zipheir: Siorai: That’s nice to hear. :)
2018-09-16T06:04:38Z lockywolf_: Has anyone seen a "Fortran namelist" parser for lisp?
2018-09-16T06:04:49Z Zipheir: It is indeed a bad idea to try to have everything. c.f. many terrible languages.
2018-09-16T06:05:25Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:06:24Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T06:07:50Z Zipheir: It’s directly analogous to trying to write a program that “does everything”, except trying to cram every possible feature into a language is far worse—people now have to try to use the enormous tool you’ve created.
2018-09-16T06:09:07Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T06:10:16Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T06:10:54Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:15:37Z Zipheir: And, to paraphrase EWD, how can you understand your program if you can’t understand the language due to its sheer baroqueness?
2018-09-16T06:31:00Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:35:51Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T06:37:23Z gwatt quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2018-09-16T06:37:40Z gwatt joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:39:44Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:45:47Z mrm: I don't think that's quite fair. The core 'extra' features racket has compared to regular scheme are its macro/module/lang system, a configurable reader a la CL, contracts, ffi, 'structure type properties' which form the basis of the oop layer and generics, and delimited continuations.
2018-09-16T06:46:31Z lockywolf_: r7rs has modules, hasn't it?
2018-09-16T06:47:24Z mrm: (replying to Zipheir)
2018-09-16T06:51:27Z Zipheir: mrm: That’s quite a bit. It’s not Java-level featuritis, though.
2018-09-16T06:52:55Z mrm: Well, maybe. But they're not just a collection of whims catering to a desire to chase more and more features.
2018-09-16T06:53:04Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:55:11Z Zipheir: I agree, they aren’t random features. But again, AFAICT the focus seems to be on creating a flexible learning tool, not necessarily a streamlined design.
2018-09-16T06:55:31Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-16T06:56:35Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T06:58:07Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-16T07:01:39Z Zipheir: And Racket’s history shows a pretty strong pedagogical focus.
2018-09-16T07:04:50Z mrm: It does, but there are multiple parties at work. There's also a very strong focus on exploring the state of the art in terms of macro systems, gradual typing, and formal pl semantics stuff like with redex.
2018-09-16T07:05:50Z Zipheir: Well, maybe I need to investigate it further.
2018-09-16T07:08:08Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T07:10:22Z Zipheir: Perhaps in that sense it’s a bit like GHC, where there’s a whole outer-limits section of experimental extensions. Which do not, however, interfere with the usability of the core implementation.
2018-09-16T07:20:33Z strcat19743 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T07:21:13Z strcat19743 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T07:25:30Z pjb` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T08:15:37Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-16T08:17:36Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-16T08:17:52Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T08:18:22Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-16T08:28:37Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-16T09:00:58Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-16T09:01:35Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T09:02:27Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-16T09:03:06Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T09:19:18Z pjb` left #scheme
2018-09-16T09:58:01Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T09:58:18Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-16T10:10:06Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-16T10:26:34Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-16T10:33:00Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T10:36:39Z cobax quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T10:38:44Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-16T10:53:24Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:13:22Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T11:25:20Z d9k10 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:28:05Z d9k10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T11:32:40Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:33:14Z hugh_marera quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T11:33:31Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:34:20Z |aaron19 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:37:13Z |aaron19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T11:53:25Z silver0 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T11:53:36Z silver0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T11:59:37Z silver0 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T12:11:27Z silver0 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2018-09-16T12:18:49Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-16T12:22:13Z silver0 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T12:46:09Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T12:48:12Z mindfulStoic_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T12:52:58Z mindfulStoic_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T12:53:17Z silver0 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2018-09-16T13:18:04Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T13:28:24Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T13:31:56Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T13:51:27Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-16T13:54:26Z lockywolf: Friends, is it true that newer imports can't overwrite the older ones?
2018-09-16T13:55:04Z lockywolf: Basically, I have a file, where I (import (mylib mypackage))
2018-09-16T13:55:31Z lockywolf: And the functions defined in mypackage are only loaded once.
2018-09-16T13:56:08Z lockywolf: That is, when I'm importing them again in the repl, the names still correspond to the older definitions.
2018-09-16T13:56:51Z wasamasa: I bet this is unspecified behavior
2018-09-16T13:56:57Z wasamasa: is this r7rs import?
2018-09-16T14:05:46Z lockywolf: Yes
2018-09-16T14:05:56Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-16T14:06:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T14:06:58Z wasamasa: > Import declarations and definitions cause bindings to be created in the global environment or modify the value of existing global bindings. The initial environment of a pro- gram is empty, so at least one import declaration is needed to introduce initial bindings.
2018-09-16T14:06:59Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-16T14:07:37Z wasamasa: > In a program or library declaration, it is an error to import the same identifier more than once with different bindings, or to redefine or mutate an imported binding with a defi- nition or with set!, or to refer to an identifier before it is imported. However, a REPL should permit these actions.
2018-09-16T14:07:37Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T14:07:52Z wasamasa: hmm
2018-09-16T14:08:24Z wasamasa: so, if you did such a thing outside a repl, it would be considered an error, but in the repl it's merely no error (what exactly happens instead isn't specified)
2018-09-16T14:20:23Z lockywolf: hm... I it would be a convenient thing...
2018-09-16T14:23:05Z lockywolf: Chibi's repl ignores it...
2018-09-16T14:23:18Z lockywolf: I wonder why not just redefine things?
2018-09-16T14:23:45Z lockywolf: How would I debug libraries like this?
2018-09-16T14:24:09Z lockywolf: I can't just (load "library.sld").
2018-09-16T14:30:54Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T14:33:21Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-16T14:35:41Z wasamasa: what load does isn't specified either
2018-09-16T14:35:50Z wasamasa: but feel free to ask foof on this
2018-09-16T14:35:57Z wasamasa: or rather, foof`
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: An implementation-dependent operation is used to trans-
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: form filename into the name of an existing file con-
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: taining Scheme source code. The load procedure reads
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: expressions and definitions from the file and evalu-
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: ates them sequentially in the environment specified by
2018-09-16T14:44:48Z lockywolf: environment-specifier . If environment-specifier is omitted,
2018-09-16T14:44:50Z lockywolf: (interaction-environment) is assumed.
2018-09-16T14:45:27Z hugo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T14:45:34Z lockywolf: "Reads expressions and definitions from file and evaluates them sequentially."
2018-09-16T14:45:40Z lockywolf: Seems fair enough.
2018-09-16T14:46:40Z cross quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T14:46:46Z lockywolf: Looks like (import )
2018-09-16T14:47:48Z lockywolf: But without 'only', 'prefix' and file-only.
2018-09-16T14:52:25Z lockywolf: But I am completely ignorant on how this works with macros.
2018-09-16T15:06:17Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:09:43Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:10:06Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T15:19:48Z hugo joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:31:31Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:40:33Z dbmikus__ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:46:39Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-16T15:47:06Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T15:49:03Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T15:49:12Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-16T16:02:09Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-16T16:02:56Z adam-652049325 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T16:03:41Z adam-652049325 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T16:12:17Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-16T16:24:25Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-16T16:52:43Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:19:11Z InverseRhombus quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T17:20:51Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:21:27Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T17:21:48Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T17:26:00Z dbmikus__ quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-16T17:26:50Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:30:48Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T17:32:33Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:34:09Z thevishy: Is this an OK way to create factorial with continuation https://paste.pound-python.org/show/6yZlBImr80FdUKh78BEs/
2018-09-16T17:35:32Z thevishy: anyways main question is if we do (* 5 factorial (- n 1)), does a scheme implementation maintain a stack?
2018-09-16T17:35:44Z thevishy: or does it sort of convert it to continuation passing style?
2018-09-16T17:37:58Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-16T17:43:46Z Zipheir: That's implementation-dependent.
2018-09-16T17:46:31Z Zipheir: thevishy: There's a slightly simpler version from Lambda: The Ultimate Imperative.
2018-09-16T17:47:21Z Zipheir: (define (fact n c) (if (= n 0) (c 1) (fact (- n 1) (λ (a) (c (* n a))))))
2018-09-16T17:47:34Z Zipheir: ^^ from Steele & Sussman 1976
2018-09-16T17:48:33Z Zipheir: thevishy: NB that here the recursive step is a tail call.
2018-09-16T17:50:35Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:50:53Z wasamasa: I suspect simplicity isn't the point, but rather understanding call/cc
2018-09-16T17:52:38Z Zipheir: Still, a simpler example is easier to understand, hence easier to learn from.
2018-09-16T17:55:03Z sente12 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:55:42Z sente12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T17:57:01Z mati756 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T17:58:53Z thevishy: Thanks Zipheir, is that a book?
2018-09-16T17:59:06Z mati756 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T18:02:03Z thevishy: nevermind, first time hearing that book
2018-09-16T18:02:09Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-16T18:03:34Z thevishy: idk, I read about continuations and this is what i could come up with ... the example Zipheir is ofcourse more nicer
2018-09-16T18:03:47Z thevishy: and I think much simpler thank doing a call/cc
2018-09-16T18:03:56Z thevishy: so the question is call/cc really neeeded?
2018-09-16T18:04:50Z thevishy: interesting
2018-09-16T18:06:04Z thevishy: let us say there is a scheme implementation that maintains stack, then me giving call/cc is not helping
2018-09-16T18:06:41Z thevishy: and if there is a tail recursive scheme then probably it might be smart enough to convert it without my intervention?
2018-09-16T18:07:28Z Zipheir: thevishy: It's one of the foundational Scheme papers: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a030751.pdf
2018-09-16T18:08:38Z Zipheir: thevishy: IIRC converting to tail calls is the subject of a lot of research.
2018-09-16T18:11:04Z Zipheir: thevishy: Obviously you don’t need call/cc in the factorial example, but it’s a very powerful operator. You can use it to create literally any control structure.
2018-09-16T18:11:06Z thevishy: thanks Zipheir, I will surely look into that
2018-09-16T18:11:55Z Zipheir: thevishy: Check out the second half of The Seasoned Schemer for some of the wackier possibilities of call/cc.
2018-09-16T18:11:56Z thevishy: yeah that is quite right, since i was reading about call/cc i went that route
2018-09-16T18:12:02Z thevishy: okies
2018-09-16T18:12:36Z thevishy: the pdf quality is bad
2018-09-16T18:13:08Z thevishy: :)
2018-09-16T18:13:41Z thevishy: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/5790/AIM-353.pdf?sequence=2 is a better one
2018-09-16T18:13:44Z Zipheir: Welcome to 1976.
2018-09-16T18:13:53Z Zipheir: Oh, yeah, that's a nicer copy.
2018-09-16T18:14:10Z void921 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T18:14:53Z void921 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T18:15:03Z thevishy: yeah that one is a nicer one, the first seems to be a fax :-))
2018-09-16T18:16:27Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T18:16:58Z thevishy: anyways thanks Zipheir, I will look into that one
2018-09-16T18:17:06Z Zipheir: Hey, at least the paper’s not locked behind some stupid paywall.
2018-09-16T18:17:20Z Zipheir: thevishy: yw :)
2018-09-16T18:18:30Z thevishy: true xD
2018-09-16T18:29:17Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T18:33:51Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-16T18:41:42Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-16T18:44:38Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-16T18:46:57Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-16T18:49:03Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:02:39Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T19:07:08Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-16T19:11:30Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:19:44Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:20:53Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:21:43Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-16T19:22:43Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:26:26Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:26:44Z amz3: o/
2018-09-16T19:44:48Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T19:49:34Z tubuliferous joined #scheme
2018-09-16T19:58:08Z nisstyre quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-16T19:58:48Z nisstyre joined #scheme
2018-09-16T20:19:01Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-16T20:32:18Z bars0 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T20:53:41Z jcowan_: indeed, what GHC and Racket have in common is that they are both the results of generations of grad students hacking.
2018-09-16T21:02:34Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:02:45Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-16T21:02:49Z jcob quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-16T21:04:37Z jcowan_: I definitely want to get delimited continuations into R7RS-large, and possibly a #!lang system as well, simpler than Racket's.
2018-09-16T21:10:15Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:12:32Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:16:10Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T21:18:26Z longshi: hello there
2018-09-16T21:19:58Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-16T21:21:35Z bars0 quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-16T21:21:36Z longshi: so i've been lurking for a good while, coding in scheme for a good while longer
2018-09-16T21:22:08Z longshi: and now i come for a life advice from programmers with more experience about getting a degree
2018-09-16T21:22:31Z longshi: https://dpaste.de/Jfmx
2018-09-16T21:22:55Z longshi: here's a paste, because it's a whole rant really--
2018-09-16T21:23:01Z systemfault2 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:23:11Z longshi: tl;dr: tl;dr: should I pursue a weekend CS degree at a suboptimal university or get a
2018-09-16T21:23:14Z longshi: philosophy degree (which i will do anyway) and write code and study in my free
2018-09-16T21:23:16Z longshi: time?
2018-09-16T21:24:23Z longshi: All input greatly appreciated.
2018-09-16T21:27:13Z chainsawbike17 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:27:52Z systemfault2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T21:29:57Z chainsawbike17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T21:41:22Z Majora320 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:42:25Z Majora320: Perhaps a little OT, but: I was writing a simple scheme interpreter, and am wondering whether to put the distinction between "plain function application" and define+let+cond in the parser or evaluator
2018-09-16T21:42:29Z Majora320: What's the usual practice here?
2018-09-16T21:44:02Z wasamasa: I don't see what the parser got to do with it
2018-09-16T21:44:42Z wasamasa: the parser is the thing that turns `(x ,y
2018-09-16T21:44:53Z wasamasa: ) into (quasiquote (x (unquote y)))
2018-09-16T21:45:10Z wasamasa: with the latter no longer being a string, but a bunch of conses
2018-09-16T21:47:17Z Majora320: well, not writing it in scheme
2018-09-16T21:47:24Z wasamasa: that's irrelevant
2018-09-16T21:48:00Z wasamasa: the parser turns user input (a string) into an AST (something looking like plain old scheme objects)
2018-09-16T21:48:30Z wasamasa: it doesn't do function application or handle syntax specially
2018-09-16T21:48:36Z wasamasa: that's the evaluator's job
2018-09-16T21:48:38Z Majora320: alright
2018-09-16T21:48:50Z Majora320: thanks
2018-09-16T21:49:17Z wasamasa: I'm not sure how you got that idea, perhaps you haven't separated the phases clearly yet
2018-09-16T21:50:00Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-16T21:53:24Z Majora320: what do I call a... list of _something_ within parenthesis (function application, or define, or let, cond, whatever)
2018-09-16T21:53:34Z nisstyre: Majora320: s-expression?
2018-09-16T21:53:52Z Majora320: oh, yeah
2018-09-16T21:56:48Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T22:01:12Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-16T22:02:00Z Majora320: wasamasa, I think I did have my phases somewhat muddled
2018-09-16T22:02:12Z Majora320: refactoring the whole parser bit
2018-09-16T22:03:40Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-16T22:03:52Z kamog quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-16T22:15:30Z kalipso joined #scheme
2018-09-16T22:16:19Z kalipso quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T22:25:57Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-16T22:27:36Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T22:45:21Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-16T22:56:54Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-16T23:01:44Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-16T23:05:22Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-16T23:08:12Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-16T23:14:54Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-16T23:19:37Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-16T23:22:34Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-16T23:48:56Z spacefrogg14 joined #scheme
2018-09-16T23:51:00Z extra joined #scheme
2018-09-16T23:51:23Z extra is now known as Guest50844
2018-09-16T23:52:16Z Majora320 quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-16T23:53:49Z spacefrogg14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T23:55:44Z Guest50844 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-16T23:58:49Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T00:30:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T00:44:27Z mange quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T00:46:09Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:00:45Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:04:06Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-17T01:12:54Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T01:20:23Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:22:46Z Guest76772 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:23:32Z Guest76772 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T01:25:13Z em is now known as emma
2018-09-17T01:29:45Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-17T01:43:40Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-17T01:43:58Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:46:14Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:47:13Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:49:08Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T01:50:07Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T01:51:33Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-17T01:51:38Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T02:00:27Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T02:00:36Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-17T02:01:44Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-17T02:07:17Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T02:10:02Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T02:16:29Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T02:20:28Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-17T02:21:34Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T02:51:45Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T02:52:29Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T03:05:00Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T03:20:15Z dweaver joined #scheme
2018-09-17T03:29:13Z dweaver quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-17T04:20:04Z sha-210 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T04:24:10Z sha-210 quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-17T04:39:12Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T04:39:30Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T04:39:58Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T05:05:39Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-17T05:22:47Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T05:23:24Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-17T05:27:59Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-17T05:32:45Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T05:49:02Z axk4545[m]7 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T05:53:46Z axk4545[m]7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T05:56:57Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T06:00:23Z biswasab joined #scheme
2018-09-17T06:05:09Z biswasab quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T06:12:29Z w7b joined #scheme
2018-09-17T06:23:59Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T06:28:03Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T06:28:32Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T06:54:41Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-17T06:59:18Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:03:01Z w7b left #scheme
2018-09-17T07:10:04Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T07:10:42Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:11:45Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T07:17:11Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:17:41Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T07:18:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:18:57Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T07:21:18Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T07:22:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T07:22:10Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:22:38Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:39:24Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:41:06Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:47:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T07:48:05Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:53:13Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:57:09Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T07:57:36Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T07:57:40Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-17T08:02:34Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T08:27:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T08:28:06Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:32:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T08:32:35Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:37:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T08:38:06Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:42:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T08:42:36Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:51:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:56:19Z samgd12 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T08:58:04Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T08:58:10Z samgd12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T09:00:06Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T09:12:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T09:13:02Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-17T09:13:05Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T09:17:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T09:17:37Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T09:32:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T09:33:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T09:41:52Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-17T09:42:09Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T09:42:37Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T09:43:00Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T09:52:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T09:53:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T10:02:09Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T10:02:35Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T10:10:50Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-17T10:22:08Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-17T10:50:20Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-17T10:57:39Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T10:58:05Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T10:59:32Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:02:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T11:02:18Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:02:35Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:07:06Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T11:07:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T11:08:08Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:11:56Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:12:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T11:12:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:12:37Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:12:40Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T11:12:52Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:13:10Z tubuliferous quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2018-09-17T11:17:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T11:18:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:18:21Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T11:27:09Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T11:27:35Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:37:56Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:43:35Z redeemed` joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:44:01Z redeemed` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T11:44:13Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-17T11:44:52Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-17T11:47:45Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:49:32Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T11:52:15Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:55:08Z f8l quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-17T11:55:22Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-17T11:57:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T11:57:40Z amz3`: hello, my name is amz3 and I am programming with scheme in my free time since 5 years now. I can not think otherwise. I think I am a scheme fanantic. I don't use classes anymore. I find OOP irrelevant and irrational.
2018-09-17T11:57:56Z amz3`: Please help! Does a cure exist?
2018-09-17T11:58:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T12:00:34Z ecraven: amz3`: continue learning!
2018-09-17T12:02:02Z qu1j0t3: amz3`: do you use SET! tho
2018-09-17T12:02:34Z amz3`: qu1j0t3: yes, sometime I use SET!
2018-09-17T12:04:24Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-17T12:07:09Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T12:07:35Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T12:08:47Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-17T12:35:32Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-17T12:49:44Z w7b joined #scheme
2018-09-17T12:55:29Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T12:55:46Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-17T12:57:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T12:58:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:02:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T13:02:23Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:02:37Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:17:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T13:18:07Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:21:04Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:22:09Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T13:22:37Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:27:59Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T13:29:17Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:47:38Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-17T13:48:05Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:52:08Z fedelibre quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T13:52:38Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-17T13:52:45Z fedelibre quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T13:54:15Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:06:39Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:07:00Z Ober_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T14:07:31Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T14:07:59Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:13:32Z hugo: What do people here think of "The little Schemer"?
2018-09-17T14:13:49Z hugo: I have heard good things about it, but it's a bit weird with a full book of only examples
2018-09-17T14:14:12Z hugo quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-17T14:14:32Z hugo joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:15:13Z hugo is embarred for accidentily closing my client
2018-09-17T14:25:17Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T14:30:44Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:32:45Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-17T14:33:51Z ecraven: hugo: some like it a lot, some don't ;)
2018-09-17T14:34:15Z ecraven: but the same can be said of SICP, or any other book really
2018-09-17T14:39:47Z hugo: ecraven: Who could have guessed? /s
2018-09-17T14:39:55Z hugo: But what do *you* think about it?
2018-09-17T14:39:55Z ecraven: well, you asked :P
2018-09-17T14:40:01Z ecraven: me, personally, I prefer other books
2018-09-17T14:40:11Z amz3`: hugo: I don't little schemer, I read both version of reasoned schemer by the same authors. I like the style, and the second edition is much better
2018-09-17T14:40:13Z ecraven: but I've only ever leaved through it, I never "studied" it the way I did SICP
2018-09-17T14:41:13Z ecraven: leafed?
2018-09-17T14:42:03Z hugo: ecraven: SICP is much more of a book you study
2018-09-17T14:42:31Z hugo: amz3`: I will check out that also
2018-09-17T14:42:54Z hugo: There's also "The Seasoned Schemer". Anything about that one?
2018-09-17T14:45:27Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:46:21Z ecraven: hugo: what's your goal? which other languages do you know?
2018-09-17T14:46:33Z ecraven: I've found "Programming in Scheme" to be a very nice book for Scheme specifically
2018-09-17T14:47:04Z hugo: ecraven: A bunch of different. Currently I'm looking for a better insight to scheme
2018-09-17T14:47:04Z f8l joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:47:15Z ecraven: SICP is about much more than "just" Scheme
2018-09-17T14:47:50Z hugo: I have read most of SICP. And now it's about more
2018-09-17T14:47:54Z hugo: And I like that
2018-09-17T14:48:12Z hugo: I'm also fairly good with scheme already. But hoping to learn something new
2018-09-17T14:48:31Z ecraven: maybe how to design programs (which has been compared to SICP by some)
2018-09-17T14:49:07Z ecraven: or just *use* Scheme as much as you can ;)
2018-09-17T14:49:30Z ecraven: web stuff, games, scripts, there are fine implementations for every use case I've tried so far
2018-09-17T14:50:32Z hugo: ecraven: I took a look through HTDP, and I directly see similarities to SICP
2018-09-17T14:50:50Z jcowan_: ecraven: "leafed", definitely.
2018-09-17T14:50:51Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:50:59Z hugo: I currently use scheme for most things. But it's easy to get stuck in just what I know
2018-09-17T14:51:13Z ecraven: jcowan_: thanks ;)
2018-09-17T14:52:19Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T14:52:31Z ecraven: hugo: personally, I find other Lisp books interesting.. on lisp, let over lambda, especially the macro-heavy ones, because Scheme does not share that with CL
2018-09-17T14:52:36Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:53:09Z hugo: ecraven: I'm have actually been meaning to read Let over Lambda (and to a lesser extend on Lisp)
2018-09-17T14:53:38Z ecraven: I find them very interesting, even if some of it is not directly applicable (and some of it I just wouldn't want to use in Scheme :P)
2018-09-17T14:54:51Z hugo: It's less about directly applicable, but rather understanding more
2018-09-17T14:58:08Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-17T14:59:01Z ecraven: one thing I would love to have, but have no idea how to do well is keyword arguments for functions :-/
2018-09-17T15:00:23Z hugo: ecraven: Implementing or using?
2018-09-17T15:00:42Z ecraven: not sure what they should look like, so both ;)
2018-09-17T15:01:04Z hugo: Guile have them on the form (f #:x 1 #:y 2)
2018-09-17T15:01:07Z ecraven: and about their interaction with rest parameters and optional arguments / case lambda
2018-09-17T15:01:38Z ecraven: I know of the various ways the different Schemes use them, I just haven't been able to decide on which of them (if any) *I* actually prefer
2018-09-17T15:01:48Z hugo: Defined with (define* (f #:key (x 0) (y 0) (+ x y))
2018-09-17T15:02:00Z hugo: Oh
2018-09-17T15:02:15Z hugo: I agree that they often feel "clumsy".
2018-09-17T15:04:46Z ecraven: also, one good way to learn about Scheme is to implement an interpreter or compiler ;)
2018-09-17T15:05:19Z hugo: A scheme interpreter, or one in general?
2018-09-17T15:05:20Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T15:05:40Z hugo: I wrote an assembler in scheme recently
2018-09-17T15:05:48Z ecraven: one for Scheme
2018-09-17T15:05:58Z ecraven: thus you learn what is necessary to *implement* the things you use
2018-09-17T15:06:15Z hugo: That really sounds like a good thing to do
2018-09-17T15:06:23Z hugo: (which probably is why it's in SICP)
2018-09-17T15:06:29Z ecraven: indeed ;)
2018-09-17T15:06:51Z ecraven: there's also Lisp in Small Pieces (english or the original french) which is an entire book about scheme interpreters and compilers
2018-09-17T15:07:33Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:09:02Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T15:09:20Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:12:50Z emar quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T15:13:39Z w7b left #scheme
2018-09-17T15:16:59Z hugo: Lisp in small pieces looks really interesting. Thanks!
2018-09-17T15:22:41Z mrush joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:23:38Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:25:33Z johnjay joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:28:49Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:29:07Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-17T15:29:11Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:29:50Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:32:54Z rann joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:33:15Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T15:35:53Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T15:43:57Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-17T15:53:09Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T15:58:26Z dibblego5 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T15:59:13Z dibblego5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T16:12:01Z kick joined #scheme
2018-09-17T16:12:11Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-17T16:12:44Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-17T16:16:47Z kick quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T16:16:48Z amz3` quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T16:17:08Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-17T16:27:53Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-17T16:35:08Z tubuliferous joined #scheme
2018-09-17T16:43:47Z tubuliferous quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2018-09-17T16:46:43Z DetectiveTaco20 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T16:47:26Z DetectiveTaco20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T16:50:43Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:12:12Z m0ngk2 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:12:40Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-17T17:15:03Z m0ngk2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T17:18:10Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:23:34Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:26:01Z klovett quit
2018-09-17T17:35:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:43:28Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-17T17:51:10Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T18:03:11Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T18:12:39Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:16:53Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:20:27Z JohnTalent joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:21:53Z JohnTalent: Hi I'm getting this is s7 and I don't know why.
2018-09-17T18:21:53Z JohnTalent: <4> (make-class-instance 'dispatch 'method-c)
2018-09-17T18:21:54Z JohnTalent: error: make-class-instance: too many arguments: (lambda args (if (or (null? args) (and (unspecified? (car args)) (null? (cdr args)))) #<unspecified> (if (pair? (cdr args)) (cons 'values args) (car args))))
2018-09-17T18:21:58Z JohnTalent: opps
2018-09-17T18:22:00Z JohnTalent:  sorry
2018-09-17T18:22:04Z JohnTalent: https://pastebin.com/ZX5XD6Fk
2018-09-17T18:24:35Z JohnTalent: any ideas?
2018-09-17T18:26:50Z ecraven: JohnTalent: you define make-class-instance to be a function of no parameters, yet you pass it two later
2018-09-17T18:30:27Z JohnTalent: oh right. ha!
2018-09-17T18:30:34Z JohnTalent: I saw that but forgot.
2018-09-17T18:30:40Z ecraven: you probably want ((make-class-instance) 'dispatch ...)
2018-09-17T18:30:45Z JohnTalent: I'm using this code that somewhat else made.
2018-09-17T18:33:59Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-17T18:34:15Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:34:15Z JohnTalent: what is the ... for ecraven ?
2018-09-17T18:34:19Z JohnTalent: i'm a newb!
2018-09-17T18:35:18Z ecraven: whatever you want to insert
2018-09-17T18:35:22Z ecraven: I don't quite remember what you had there ;)
2018-09-17T18:35:29Z ecraven: it's a placeholder, not actual Scheme
2018-09-17T18:35:29Z wasamasa: sometimes people don't want to spell it out
2018-09-17T18:36:26Z JohnTalent: <2> (make-class-instance) 'dispatch 'method-c)
2018-09-17T18:36:26Z JohnTalent: error: make-class-instance: unbound variable
2018-09-17T18:41:33Z JohnTalent: opps
2018-09-17T18:41:35Z JohnTalent: i mean: 4> ((make-clas-instance) 'dispatch 'method-c)
2018-09-17T18:41:36Z JohnTalent: error: make-clas-instance: unbound variable
2018-09-17T18:41:53Z ecraven: missing an s
2018-09-17T18:41:55Z ecraven: class
2018-09-17T18:44:02Z nuxdie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:45:02Z JohnTalent: right, same error
2018-09-17T18:45:21Z ecraven: then it seems you didn't actually define the function
2018-09-17T18:46:48Z nuxdie_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T18:46:50Z Zipheir: If your function doesn’t work, part of the problem might be that it doesn’t exist?
2018-09-17T18:46:56Z Zipheir: The snark _was_ a boojum, you see.
2018-09-17T18:47:37Z badkins_ is now known as badkins
2018-09-17T18:47:55Z JohnTalent: does it have to be quoted?
2018-09-17T18:48:25Z JohnTalent: Alice in wonderland? :)
2018-09-17T18:48:32Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:49:51Z Zipheir: JohnTalent: Close! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_of_the_Snark
2018-09-17T18:50:12Z JohnTalent: Yeah, I knew it was Carol in some way or another.
2018-09-17T18:50:15Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T18:50:15Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-17T18:50:28Z JohnTalent: Ha, now that Monty Python movie is in my head.
2018-09-17T18:51:11Z Zipheir: JohnTalent: So why do you have two definitions of make-class-instance?
2018-09-17T18:51:19Z JohnTalent: Zipheir: it's not my code!
2018-09-17T18:51:27Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:51:33Z JohnTalent: but, oh.
2018-09-17T18:51:35Z JohnTalent: i see.
2018-09-17T18:51:36Z Zipheir: JohnTalent: Well, the second one’s wrong.
2018-09-17T18:51:37Z JohnTalent: i didn't see that.
2018-09-17T18:53:20Z JohnTalent: I suppose this is how Linux was developed.
2018-09-17T18:54:21Z Zipheir: Writing two kernels and throwing away the worse one?
2018-09-17T18:55:37Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-17T18:56:06Z JohnTalent: the first one is wrong too. But I suppose you didn't look hard enough.
2018-09-17T18:57:00Z Zipheir: What’s wrong with it?
2018-09-17T18:57:54Z JohnTalent: it calls super.
2018-09-17T18:57:55Z JohnTalent: wow ok.
2018-09-17T18:58:32Z JohnTalent: this is what I get from using someone elses code!
2018-09-17T18:58:33Z JohnTalent: hjaaha
2018-09-17T18:58:34Z Zipheir: Assuming super is a procedure returning a procedure...
2018-09-17T18:59:11Z ecraven: if you want an object system, but don't understand this one, use one that is already debugged
2018-09-17T19:00:09Z JohnTalent: Yes, I saw the episode of SouthPark where they had a super hero called "Mr. Super Hindsight".
2018-09-17T19:00:27Z Zipheir: No, assuming super is the dispatch of another class, this is fine. Nevermind.
2018-09-17T19:03:09Z JohnTalent: You know what happens once we assume.
2018-09-17T19:03:30Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:03:43Z ecraven: that is a very reasonable assumption, though
2018-09-17T19:05:44Z JohnTalent: it appears s7 also has bugs, getting seg fault now.
2018-09-17T19:05:59Z ecraven: it does ;)
2018-09-17T19:06:05Z ecraven: is there a reason why you use s7 specifically?
2018-09-17T19:06:08Z JohnTalent: ecraven: oh, that means there is a (make-superclass-superclass-instance) ?
2018-09-17T19:06:22Z JohnTalent: ecraven: it's a joy.
2018-09-17T19:06:34Z ecraven: no, you define the superclass with the class definition, not where you instantiate the class
2018-09-17T19:06:35Z JohnTalent: but no really.
2018-09-17T19:06:44Z JohnTalent: it's because I can embed the source in c++.
2018-09-17T19:06:47Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:07:05Z ecraven: not to dissuade you, but it's not a very common choice. for embedding, chibi, guile, and chicken are more often named, I think?
2018-09-17T19:07:27Z ecraven: personally I've only used chibi in a C++ project, worked well enough
2018-09-17T19:09:35Z JohnTalent: ok. thank you.
2018-09-17T19:09:45Z JohnTalent: i was looking at chibi.
2018-09-17T19:10:11Z JohnTalent: s7 seems nice and clean, but segfaulting after a 20 minute first time session! :/
2018-09-17T19:10:16Z wasamasa: is s7 the one used for audio?
2018-09-17T19:10:48Z JohnTalent: wasamasa: hm. idk.
2018-09-17T19:10:52Z wasamasa: coming from CCRMA?
2018-09-17T19:11:00Z wasamasa: because that would explain it, university code :D
2018-09-17T19:11:10Z JohnTalent: ?!
2018-09-17T19:11:16Z wasamasa: see also: larceny
2018-09-17T19:11:31Z ecraven: hm.. I should add s7 to https://ecraven.github.io/r7rs-benchmarks/index.html
2018-09-17T19:11:39Z ecraven: wasamasa: you had problems with larceny crashing often?
2018-09-17T19:11:53Z ecraven: or you want to embed it in C++ code
2018-09-17T19:12:03Z wasamasa: nah, I ran into a stupid bug with its r7rs support
2018-09-17T19:12:07Z wasamasa: and the tooling is terrible
2018-09-17T19:12:15Z ecraven: ;)
2018-09-17T19:12:19Z wasamasa: and the docs are spread all over the place
2018-09-17T19:12:23Z wasamasa: and the hoster blocks curl
2018-09-17T19:12:35Z wasamasa: all this screams amateur at me
2018-09-17T19:13:06Z wasamasa: I've heard before that being fast isn't everything, but didn't expect immediately running into so many issues
2018-09-17T19:13:07Z ecraven: I haven't used it extensively, but it is one of the faster Schemes, and claims good r5rs, r6rs and r7rs support
2018-09-17T19:13:29Z wasamasa: that's great, but it doesn't matter if it's less than obvious how to actually use r7rs modules
2018-09-17T19:13:49Z wasamasa: seemingly all coding done in it just uses a single file
2018-09-17T19:14:00Z ecraven: yea, that's one point where most Scheme implementations could use a bit of love ;)
2018-09-17T19:14:29Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:15:24Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:18:06Z JohnTalent: nice.
2018-09-17T19:18:12Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:18:14Z JohnTalent: now we know why it segfaulted!
2018-09-17T19:18:16Z JohnTalent: chibi reports:
2018-09-17T19:18:17Z JohnTalent: https://pastebin.com/BhZiUyMa
2018-09-17T19:18:56Z TGO joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:20:21Z JohnTalent: i believe it's the super definition.
2018-09-17T19:20:27Z JohnTalent: it's a recursive thingie.
2018-09-17T19:20:52Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:21:10Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:21:46Z ecraven: it is, you probably want (define (make-class-instance) ...) not make-superclass-instance
2018-09-17T19:21:53Z ecraven: maybe you copied this incorrectly?
2018-09-17T19:22:33Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:25:09Z JohnTalent: ok i got it working!
2018-09-17T19:25:24Z JohnTalent: ((make-superclass-instance) 'c)
2018-09-17T19:25:42Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:25:45Z JohnTalent: ecraven: thanks for chibi! :)
2018-09-17T19:26:42Z JohnTalent: ecraven: There is quite a few things I did wrong.
2018-09-17T19:26:46Z ecraven: not saying it's the best, just one of a few options ;)
2018-09-17T19:27:03Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:28:22Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:29:41Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:30:24Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T19:30:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:31:12Z JohnTalent: ecraven: Does it have hygenic macros?
2018-09-17T19:31:25Z ecraven: yes, syntax-rules
2018-09-17T19:31:31Z JohnTalent: nice!
2018-09-17T19:31:36Z JohnTalent: s7 didn't have that.
2018-09-17T19:31:47Z ecraven: I'm not sure whether it has *unhygienic* macros
2018-09-17T19:31:56Z JohnTalent: ecraven: likely, no?
2018-09-17T19:32:15Z ecraven: well, most Schemes have something to deal with macros that should capture names
2018-09-17T19:32:18Z JohnTalent: if it has the quoting parafera it should I would imagine.
2018-09-17T19:32:20Z ecraven: but some don't indeed
2018-09-17T19:32:58Z ecraven: parafera?
2018-09-17T19:33:18Z JohnTalent: hm, that word just popped into my head.
2018-09-17T19:33:31Z JohnTalent: parafanalia i suppose it was a wanted (sp).
2018-09-17T19:33:53Z JohnTalent: Paraphernalia. that's it.
2018-09-17T19:34:04Z Zipheir: s7 doesn’t have syntax-rules? What is it, R4RS?
2018-09-17T19:34:55Z JohnTalent: I have just checked chibi has both types of macros.
2018-09-17T19:35:08Z JohnTalent: Zipheir: yes, something like that iirc.
2018-09-17T19:35:32Z JohnTalent: the source code was very nicely done. but segfault because of stack space?! pffft.
2018-09-17T19:35:38Z JohnTalent: (regarding s7)
2018-09-17T19:35:40Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T19:36:08Z ecraven: well, the simplest thing to do
2018-09-17T19:38:22Z Zipheir: Simple, but totally unacceptable for any reliable software.
2018-09-17T19:38:50Z ecraven: well, is that what s7 is meant to be?
2018-09-17T19:38:56Z ecraven: many Scheme implementations don't even aim to be industrial grade
2018-09-17T19:39:38Z wasamasa: if it's for audio as I remembered, it wouldn't be that bad
2018-09-17T19:39:44Z wasamasa: you aim for deterministic code anyways
2018-09-17T19:40:01Z Zipheir: That makes sense.
2018-09-17T19:40:07Z wasamasa: and yes, it is
2018-09-17T19:40:26Z wasamasa: CCRMA also made chuck which makes for the most painful language I implemented a lisp with
2018-09-17T19:40:34Z cmaloney: Wonder if the OS caught the stack overflow and caused the segfault
2018-09-17T19:41:59Z JohnTalent: I also want to take advantage of dynamic-unwind.
2018-09-17T19:43:11Z JohnTalent: cc: RMA #. (Lot's of functions returning packages) (Major puns intended). :)
2018-09-17T19:44:36Z wasamasa: chuck is quite good at its intended problem domain though, modeling sound with automatically scheduled threads
2018-09-17T19:49:06Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:52:44Z dtornabene joined #scheme
2018-09-17T19:53:12Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:03:01Z WARBIRD19915 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:03:45Z WARBIRD19915 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T20:12:20Z rann: Newb here, just starting out with scheme, I'm doing the Little Schemer book for fun and insights, having a blast. What's peoples' opinion here of Chez? (seems to work reliably for me so far but curious what the experts think)
2018-09-17T20:13:58Z ar1s23 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:14:06Z jcowan: It's one of the fastest of Schemes, but doesn't have much of a library or debugging system.
2018-09-17T20:14:16Z ecraven: personally, I like it, but would prefer if they added more r7rs support ;)
2018-09-17T20:14:24Z ecraven: jcowan: what did you find lacking about the debugger?
2018-09-17T20:14:26Z ar1s23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T20:14:44Z ecraven: it seems to be about on par with others, just not as good as mit's (which is the best I've seen, outside of CL which is still so far ahead :-/)
2018-09-17T20:15:03Z jcowan: I haven't actually used it extensively; Schemes in general (modulo Racket) have fairly poor debugging.
2018-09-17T20:15:23Z ecraven: good point, I never looked into Racket's debugger, and what it can do
2018-09-17T20:17:42Z badkins_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T20:18:58Z coxn19 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:18:59Z jcowan: rann: I recommend reading https://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations including the comments.
2018-09-17T20:19:23Z rann: What is the big thing that r7rs adds? What would you name as the big must-haves in r7rs as opposed to r6rs?
2018-09-17T20:19:44Z coxn19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T20:19:45Z rann: Oh cool, will read for sure!
2018-09-17T20:25:37Z jcowan: R6RS and R7RS are both good from the user point of view; the main reason for developing R7RS is that many Scheme implementers made it clear that they would never implement R6RS, as it required breaking too much backward compatibility with their existing extensions to R5RS.
2018-09-17T20:25:59Z jcowan: When R7RS-large is complete, it'll be much larger than R6RS, very much "batteries included".
2018-09-17T20:27:48Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-17T20:28:17Z jcowan: New R7RS implementations are still appearing, whereas my guess is that there will never be another R6RS implementation to add to the existing 7.
2018-09-17T20:28:53Z jcowan: (Chez, Guile, Larceny, Vicare, Ypsilon, Mosh, IronScheme)
2018-09-17T20:29:18Z jcowan: Also Sagittarius, which is R6/R7RS (as is Larceny now)
2018-09-17T20:29:24Z aeth: on the subject of new r7rs-small implementations
2018-09-17T20:29:41Z aeth: I think I know what I need to know to finish cl-scheme (working name)
2018-09-17T20:30:06Z rann: I imagine "-large" here means including the implementation of some sort of standard library?
2018-09-17T20:30:25Z jcowan: Yes, although not all features of it are portable to the small language
2018-09-17T20:32:04Z jcowan: For example it will have I/O features (or at least I expect it will) that can't be written portably.
2018-09-17T20:32:08Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:32:26Z jcowan: aeth: Cool.  Are you relying on sbcl's TCO?
2018-09-17T20:34:09Z aeth: jcowan: At the moment I have a trampoline
2018-09-17T20:34:22Z jcowan: Fair enough
2018-09-17T20:34:27Z aeth: i.e. (defun trampoline (thunk) (do ((x thunk (funcall (cdr x)))) ((not (and (typep x 'cons) (equal (car x) :thunk))) x))) and (defmacro thunk (function-call) `(cons :thunk (lambda () ,function-call)))
2018-09-17T20:35:09Z jcowan: So what was the blocker that you figured out, I'm curious?
2018-09-17T20:35:43Z aeth: jcowan: I needed something roughly equivalent to syntax-case, but in Common Lisp because the CPS is done in CL, before the Scheme part
2018-09-17T20:35:50Z aeth: (at least initially)
2018-09-17T20:36:00Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-17T20:36:00Z aeth: jcowan: I think a bunch of destructuring-binds will do it
2018-09-17T20:36:19Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-17T20:36:27Z amz3: fosdem
2018-09-17T20:36:32Z amz3: soon
2018-09-17T20:36:38Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-17T20:36:41Z amz3: be ready
2018-09-17T20:36:55Z longshi: weinholt wrote a pretty good blog on the r7rs-vs-r6rs topiv
2018-09-17T20:36:57Z longshi: c
2018-09-17T20:36:59Z longshi: https://weinholt.se/articles/r7rs-vs-r6rs/
2018-09-17T20:37:17Z aeth: jcowan: Something like this: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1754739
2018-09-17T20:38:15Z amz3: hugo: I did not finish, about reasoned schemer, the first edition was confusing, but now I am biased because I somewhat already know what is in the book
2018-09-17T20:38:22Z aeth: Scheme lambdas are just CL lambdas with a continuation parameter inserted in front (most CPS examples have the continuation at the end, but this won't work because of procedures with arbitrary arguments like +)
2018-09-17T20:39:37Z amz3: hugo: honestly the price is reasonable compared to some java (dubbed craftman) book I have
2018-09-17T20:39:56Z rann: longshi: thanks, reading :-)
2018-09-17T20:40:06Z amz3: longshi: tx
2018-09-17T20:42:03Z amz3: hugo: all in all, i recommend that reasoned schemer if you are interested in logic programming like me, but be prepared to be a little dispointed if you are not very creative yourself to use it in your own project
2018-09-17T20:42:10Z aeth: jcowan: I'm guessing at this point that everything would actually define three versions. One that's easy to interface with CL, one that runs in the trampoline in the minimal Scheme runtime (which is just the trampoline, really) that I think would just be the first with a thunk wrapped around the body, and one that is the (CL) source (without the thunk) for inlining things like + (so the CL compiler can optimize things like (+ 1 2 (* 3 4))
2018-09-17T20:42:44Z jcowan: woof
2018-09-17T20:42:57Z amz3: hugo: I mean, actually using microkanren or minikanren requires a lot of thinking, btw it's called core.logic in clojure land
2018-09-17T20:42:59Z aeth: The CL interface would also translate :false (which would have to be renamed if I add keyword support) to nil
2018-09-17T20:44:09Z jcowan: the hard part is translating in the opposite direction: does Scheme see cl:nil as () or #f?
2018-09-17T20:45:52Z aeth: jcowan: You couldn't do that automatically afaik. So you have to define bindings, like I define the standard library. If it's a predicate, you use define-scheme-predicate which is, at the moment, `(define-scheme-procedure (,name ,@arguments) (nil-to-false (progn ,@body)))
2018-09-17T20:45:55Z hugo: amz3: I should check it out.
2018-09-17T20:46:13Z hugo: Logic programming is a paradigm I haven't worked with much. But I do like it
2018-09-17T20:46:26Z jcowan: How about the Guile approach of three objects, #t, #f, and #nil?
2018-09-17T20:46:45Z jcowan: both #f and #nil are falsy, and both #nil and () answer #t to null?.
2018-09-17T20:47:02Z amz3: #nil is an elisp compatibility artefact, it should not be in guile afaik
2018-09-17T20:47:17Z jcowan nos
2018-09-17T20:47:19Z jcowan: nods, even
2018-09-17T20:47:30Z aeth: There is no performance issues with using :false instead of NIL for false values because it's just comparing EQ to a different symbol pointer.
2018-09-17T20:47:34Z jcowan: Sure.  But any system that interfaces a non-Scheme Lisp to Scheme has to solve the same problem
2018-09-17T20:48:25Z jcowan: I assume you are equating Scheme () to cl:nil?
2018-09-17T20:48:30Z amz3: why would you want to interface with a non-scheme lisp?
2018-09-17T20:48:32Z aeth: Since this is Scheme-on-CL instead of CL-on-Scheme (well, EL-on-Scheme), I think I basically have to accept NIL as ()
2018-09-17T20:49:13Z amz3: they want maximum compatibility with existing elisp code
2018-09-17T20:49:16Z aeth: s/NIL/CL:NIL/
2018-09-17T20:50:33Z jcowan: It's a violation of R5RS and later, but how bad would it be really if () were falsy?
2018-09-17T20:50:44Z jcowan: I doubt anyone depends on it being truthy.
2018-09-17T20:51:02Z aeth: but then this is pseudo-scheme
2018-09-17T20:52:10Z aeth: amz3: This is an r7rs-small written in Common Lisp
2018-09-17T20:52:23Z aeth: Ideally, there would be interoperability with everything but macros, which obviously cannot work.
2018-09-17T20:53:06Z aeth: (Macros that do not code walk could be wrapped, though. Not sure if the common symbol-macrolet sort of thing could be wrapped, e.g. with-accessors)
2018-09-17T20:53:30Z amz3: aeth: how to you work around lisp-1 vs lisp-2 semantic?
2018-09-17T20:53:39Z aeth: amz3: That's not even an issue
2018-09-17T20:54:04Z amz3: it's a meta interpreter?
2018-09-17T20:54:15Z aeth: amz3: It would be an issue for CL-on-Scheme, but for Scheme-on-CL just put everything in the variable namespace.
2018-09-17T20:55:10Z amz3: ok
2018-09-17T20:55:10Z aeth: (and also define a function, with an inverted case or upper case name, for interoperability with CL)
2018-09-17T20:55:13Z jcowan: so you have to use cl:funcall to call Scheme procedures?  ISTR someone doing something like this in the past, and placing anything that is a function redundantly in the symbol-function property
2018-09-17T20:56:14Z amz3: aeth: It's fun! I did python to javascript back in the days, I learned much about a lot of things, even if the project is dead now.
2018-09-17T20:56:26Z aeth: jcowan: I haven't gotten there, but I would afaik just use cl:funcall
2018-09-17T20:56:39Z aeth: (It would have to be part of the same thing that does the CPS transform)
2018-09-17T20:57:19Z jcowan: well, that's it, since you are CPS transforming, the "easy to interface with CL" version you mention would be on the symbol-function property
2018-09-17T20:57:41Z aeth: amz3: The difference here is that an r7rs-small running on top of SBCL would (probably) be the fastest r7rs-small implementation.
2018-09-17T20:57:46Z aeth: So it actually has a use.
2018-09-17T20:58:44Z amz3: aeth: mine too had use for non-javascripter, and willing to sacrifice some semantic for speed... but anyway, I discovered scheme, I won't go back.
2018-09-17T20:58:53Z jcowan: so (symbol-value 'r7rs:whatsis) would get the CPS-converted definition of whatsis, whereas (symbol-function 'r7rs:whatsis) would get the CL-callable version
2018-09-17T21:01:56Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-17T21:02:57Z aeth: jcowan: What I was thinking of doing (assuming this doesn't lead to name conflicts) is have a defun on (intern (string-upcase (symbol-name '|foo|)) '#:r7rs) that does not return the thunk and a let with (let ((|foo| (lambda (continuation-gensym ...) (thunk (progn ...))) ...) actual-scheme-code)
2018-09-17T21:03:46Z aeth: Well, at least for the things defined within Scheme.
2018-09-17T21:04:27Z aeth: For the things defined as foreign (CL) bindings (e.g. define-scheme-procedure), it might be best just to downcase everything in the scheme-lambda-list (e.g. '(number? obj))
2018-09-17T21:05:02Z aeth: The latter would be a safer assumption to make. I can definitely assume that the CL user will write case-insensitvely that gets upcased.
2018-09-17T21:05:08Z jcowan: I worked in Lyric for a while, which was combined CL and Interlisp.  There was no nil issue, but there was an issue around CL packages: let me see.
2018-09-17T21:05:43Z aeth: At the moment I'm working on the standard so just putting everything in r7rs (on the CL side... on the Scheme side it would look like R7RS) works.
2018-09-17T21:05:50Z aeth: I'm not sure how to map between libraries and packages.
2018-09-17T21:06:23Z aeth: the only really important thing is that it's a package that doesn't (:use :cl)
2018-09-17T21:07:23Z aeth: It seems to work fine if I (intern (symbol-name symbol) '#:r7rs) from outside of the package R7RS so I can use whatever CL packages I want in the body of the bindings.
2018-09-17T21:08:53Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T21:09:08Z aeth: (the part intended to be used from Scheme would be (intern (string-downcase (symbol-name symbol)) '#:r7rs)
2018-09-17T21:10:02Z aeth: At the moment I have things like (r7rs::+ #'identity 2 3 4) => 9
2018-09-17T21:10:53Z aeth: When I have the clear separation of external and internal I'll probably get rid of the need to do #'identity from the CL side
2018-09-17T21:12:18Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-17T21:13:10Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T21:15:05Z Henry15118 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T21:19:51Z Henry15118 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T21:21:59Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-17T21:30:12Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-17T21:37:46Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-17T21:43:24Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T22:09:34Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T22:13:01Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-17T22:15:52Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-17T22:17:46Z klovett quit
2018-09-17T22:25:30Z ArneBab quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T22:26:16Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-17T22:26:16Z ArneBab quit (Changing host)
2018-09-17T22:26:16Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-17T22:47:15Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-17T22:50:44Z llllllllllll: do you know about bigger programs written in scheme (preferably chez) that are not compilers?
2018-09-17T22:51:20Z jcowan: Ah, I read that as "blogger programs" and was like "WHA?"
2018-09-17T22:53:33Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-17T22:53:43Z llllllllllll: I think blogging plaform would count:)
2018-09-17T22:53:50Z llllllllllll: for something bigger
2018-09-17T23:02:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-17T23:02:57Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:06:36Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-17T23:07:33Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:08:04Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:09:56Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:15:40Z dtornabene quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-17T23:16:16Z dtornabene joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:20:15Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:26:12Z jcob quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:32:10Z dtornabene quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:32:46Z psyolus17 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:33:22Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:35:28Z psyolus17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-17T23:36:20Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:36:58Z akdsalskdjalkdj1 joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:37:20Z jim is now known as jimmm_
2018-09-17T23:38:05Z jimmm_ is now known as jim
2018-09-17T23:39:30Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-17T23:41:47Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-17T23:46:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T00:01:28Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-18T00:06:43Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T00:12:40Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-18T00:14:39Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T00:18:12Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T00:20:30Z JohnTalent quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-18T00:24:38Z akdsalskdjalkdj1 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T00:31:14Z TGO quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-18T00:31:36Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-18T00:55:39Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T01:04:26Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T01:12:21Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T01:12:27Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-18T01:16:08Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T01:17:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T01:33:00Z epony quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T01:48:25Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-18T01:50:56Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T01:51:52Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T02:05:45Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T02:11:04Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T02:11:49Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T02:12:00Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T02:20:26Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-18T02:26:10Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-18T02:27:04Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T02:44:54Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T02:45:53Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-18T02:50:44Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:09:02Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:11:59Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:18:11Z wigust quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-18T03:29:13Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:38:16Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T03:44:51Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T03:48:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-18T03:48:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:48:58Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-18T03:51:22Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:51:27Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T03:55:13Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-18T03:55:30Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T03:58:24Z nekopan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:00:26Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T04:01:59Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:04:43Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-18T04:04:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:05:32Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-18T04:09:42Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T04:09:55Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:21:17Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T04:21:22Z nekopan left #scheme
2018-09-18T04:27:25Z neopantsu joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:34:49Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T04:39:18Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T04:48:14Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T05:02:45Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-18T05:08:21Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T05:09:16Z neopantsu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T05:11:50Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T05:18:59Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-18T05:23:17Z reverse_light quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T05:40:15Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T06:23:25Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:30:30Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-18T06:31:18Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T06:31:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:42:46Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T06:44:51Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:44:56Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:45:12Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:48:33Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T06:50:29Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-18T06:55:52Z mange quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T07:05:35Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-18T07:07:31Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-18T07:19:15Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T07:34:18Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-18T07:44:34Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-18T08:11:50Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-18T08:41:26Z dbmikus joined #scheme
2018-09-18T08:46:28Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T08:48:37Z dbmikus quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T08:53:16Z marvin3 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T08:53:31Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T08:55:15Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-18T08:57:08Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T09:01:44Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T09:06:42Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-18T09:15:57Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T09:44:08Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T09:49:06Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-18T09:51:18Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T09:53:54Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T09:53:55Z pie__ is now known as pie_
2018-09-18T10:02:12Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-18T10:13:14Z ssake quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T10:30:46Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T10:34:05Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-18T10:35:53Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T10:40:00Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T10:45:58Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-18T10:59:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:19:35Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:21:01Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:28:12Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T11:34:16Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:37:56Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:41:52Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:46:14Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:52:47Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:55:06Z queso14 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T11:55:46Z queso14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T12:06:34Z benlyn26 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:07:19Z benlyn26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T12:10:18Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:13:29Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:15:16Z stux16777216Away quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:15:28Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:17:27Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:17:47Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:19:00Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:22:40Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:26:32Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:31:06Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:31:36Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:31:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:34:09Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:40:07Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:41:10Z stux16777216Away joined #scheme
2018-09-18T12:43:30Z vyzo quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T12:44:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T13:00:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-18T13:02:12Z vyzo joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:05:10Z lockywolf__: Hey, friends. Does anyone know a Fortran namelist parser for Lisp (Scheme)?
2018-09-18T13:16:51Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:25:35Z lockywolf__: Or, maybe there is a smarter way to do write a ... macro expander to translate the namefile into scheme itself?
2018-09-18T13:37:15Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:39:27Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T13:43:35Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:47:58Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:50:18Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T13:52:22Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-18T13:57:00Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T14:10:05Z domenkozar16 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:12:57Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T14:14:49Z domenkozar16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:16:19Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:34:22Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:34:35Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-18T14:34:51Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:36:19Z nekopan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:36:52Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:37:46Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T14:38:13Z nekopan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:38:13Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:38:43Z neopantsu joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:42:39Z neopantsu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:43:01Z neopantsu joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:44:19Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:45:02Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-18T14:46:24Z ralsina0 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:47:00Z ralsina0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:47:42Z neopantsu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:47:59Z neopantsu joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:49:42Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T14:50:19Z neopantsu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T14:50:39Z neopantsu joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:52:01Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-18T14:56:04Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T15:06:53Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T15:10:07Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T15:14:45Z amz3` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T15:22:28Z neopantsu quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T15:32:36Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-18T15:33:52Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T15:35:58Z rmbeer18 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T15:38:44Z rmbeer18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T15:40:43Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:00:27Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T16:02:36Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:08:47Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T16:10:32Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:14:19Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:20:33Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T16:31:10Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:37:07Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:38:04Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T16:38:55Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-18T16:40:27Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:52:01Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:52:11Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:53:55Z Azrael_-29 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:54:17Z JohnTalent joined #scheme
2018-09-18T16:54:44Z JohnTalent: ecraven: did you distribute cygwin (for windows) using chibi?
2018-09-18T16:56:13Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-18T16:56:54Z Azrael_-29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T16:57:01Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-18T17:06:34Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-18T17:13:22Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-18T17:14:04Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-18T17:21:14Z JohnTalent: scheme doesn't like windows.
2018-09-18T17:26:26Z cross joined #scheme
2018-09-18T17:31:35Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-18T17:41:37Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T17:43:07Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T17:44:11Z klovett_ quit
2018-09-18T17:45:28Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-18T17:45:47Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:03:47Z prince_jammys joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:07:45Z prince_jammys quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T18:11:39Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T18:13:53Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:16:43Z cedwardsmedia11 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:19:32Z cedwardsmedia11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T18:21:18Z niklasl: JohnTalent: Chez works very well on Windows
2018-09-18T18:23:54Z JohnTalent: niklasl: ok, thanks!
2018-09-18T18:25:11Z JohnTalent: niklasl: is it embeddable into c++ projects?
2018-09-18T18:28:18Z niklasl: JohnTalent: I haven't tried myself, but it has support for it https://cisco.github.io/ChezScheme/csug9.5/foreign.html#g34
2018-09-18T18:28:26Z niklasl: "Still others permit the development of custom executable images and use of the Scheme system as a subordinate program within another program, e.g., for use as an extension language."
2018-09-18T18:29:02Z JohnTalent: cisco, that is 'interesting'!
2018-09-18T18:32:31Z gwatt: CCCCCCCCCCCC
2018-09-18T18:32:34Z gwatt: BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
2018-09-18T18:33:07Z JohnTalent: symolic worshippers FTW!
2018-09-18T18:33:40Z JohnTalent: niklasl- looks like you can link in c++ functions very nicely in chez.
2018-09-18T18:34:08Z gwatt: sorry about that. I was carrying my laptop still open
2018-09-18T18:34:48Z JohnTalent: tell it to the marines!
2018-09-18T18:34:53Z gwatt: JohnTalent: Does Chez actually do the symbol mangling properly?
2018-09-18T18:35:25Z JohnTalent: gwatt: I fear your confusing scheme with c++.
2018-09-18T18:36:18Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T18:36:40Z gwatt: I might be mistaken with what you want to do.
2018-09-18T18:36:58Z gwatt: I thought you wanted to reference C++ functions from Chez's FFI
2018-09-18T18:38:32Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:41:57Z JohnTalent: That all (C++ mangeling) gets handled by the C++ compiler.
2018-09-18T18:44:01Z JohnTalent: anyway, i won't likely export member functions. just graphics api functions and ones that I create.
2018-09-18T18:44:48Z JohnTalent: taking a break, those other windows-hateing schemse took the wind right out of me! 3 hours!
2018-09-18T18:50:20Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:57:19Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-18T18:57:53Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-18T18:57:54Z sippusoisalon joined #scheme
2018-09-18T19:00:51Z sippusoisalon left #scheme
2018-09-18T19:01:11Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-18T19:33:08Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-18T19:35:28Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-18T19:38:42Z Shandy6 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T19:44:16Z Shandy6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T20:05:57Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T20:11:22Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T20:13:14Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T20:16:55Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T20:24:41Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-18T20:25:01Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-18T20:41:34Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T20:48:35Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-18T21:03:04Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:13:46Z klovett quit
2018-09-18T21:24:34Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-18T21:25:22Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:29:34Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:36:23Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T21:38:08Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T21:39:43Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:43:07Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:50:45Z badkins_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T21:56:24Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:03:25Z marvin3 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T22:07:06Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:08:26Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-18T22:16:31Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-18T22:19:18Z WebDawgII joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:21:15Z civodul quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-18T22:22:15Z WebDawgII quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-18T22:31:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:34:28Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-18T22:34:36Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:36:07Z pyro- quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T22:42:37Z pyro- joined #scheme
2018-09-18T22:59:18Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:06:59Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-18T23:09:20Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:16:59Z pierpa joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:34:28Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:35:00Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-18T23:35:06Z robotoad_ joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:39:27Z robotoad_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-18T23:40:11Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-18T23:44:49Z robotoad quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-18T23:57:15Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:00:12Z Gilly5 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:03:04Z Gilly5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T00:04:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T00:05:27Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:08:15Z jao quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T00:21:30Z JohnTalent quit
2018-09-19T00:22:09Z nrz joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:24:11Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T00:24:33Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T00:24:56Z nrz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T00:25:39Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:29:41Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:29:45Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:33:21Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T00:38:50Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T00:50:37Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T00:51:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T01:00:34Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T01:04:26Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:10:11Z tautologico quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-19T01:12:57Z jusss joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:16:48Z stux|work quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T01:19:20Z stux|work joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:19:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:22:56Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T01:24:43Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:26:17Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:29:16Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T01:30:04Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T01:32:06Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:44:31Z patientplatypus7 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:45:16Z patientplatypus7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T01:46:33Z shnee joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:48:42Z shnee quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-19T01:48:58Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T01:50:21Z webshinra quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T01:50:35Z webshinra joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:50:35Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:50:40Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T01:54:19Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-19T01:58:46Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T02:07:41Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-19T02:07:58Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-19T02:10:17Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-19T02:18:30Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-19T02:34:47Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T02:42:16Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-19T02:44:20Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T02:55:49Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:00:06Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:00:07Z clog quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:01:23Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:02:17Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:04:03Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:12:25Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:14:02Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T03:14:25Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:14:38Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:14:58Z bheesham quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:15:30Z cky quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:15:36Z bheesham joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:15:47Z cky joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:17:55Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T03:28:50Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T03:30:21Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:30:52Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:46:48Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T03:50:53Z manumanumanu quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:51:54Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T03:57:21Z lavaflow quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-19T04:04:42Z manumanumanu joined #scheme
2018-09-19T04:37:02Z Zipheir: rudybot: ping
2018-09-19T04:37:03Z rudybot: Zipheir: pong
2018-09-19T04:41:16Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T04:45:07Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T04:45:34Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T04:46:48Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T04:49:08Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-19T04:53:20Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T04:57:13Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:09:27Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:11:34Z clog joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:13:22Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:17:33Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:17:57Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:19:42Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-19T05:20:03Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:20:28Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-19T05:20:40Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:25:54Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:26:13Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T05:27:49Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:28:23Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:29:40Z vstehle0 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:32:23Z vstehle0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T05:32:34Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:33:15Z johnjay quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:33:15Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:37:24Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:48:24Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:50:39Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T05:51:28Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:54:58Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T05:58:03Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T06:03:57Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T06:08:34Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T06:15:44Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T06:19:05Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T06:20:41Z xwct4 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T06:25:29Z xwct4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T06:29:44Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-19T07:43:33Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-19T08:12:33Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-19T08:29:25Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-19T08:55:43Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T09:01:42Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T09:04:21Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-19T09:23:00Z jusss quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))
2018-09-19T09:50:41Z hhwatson joined #scheme
2018-09-19T09:55:29Z hhwatson quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T10:01:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:05:21Z ozzloy quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T10:06:10Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:06:10Z ozzloy quit (Changing host)
2018-09-19T10:06:10Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:07:01Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T10:12:30Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T10:13:34Z fmnt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T10:15:48Z dbmikus_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:22:22Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:45:01Z araujo joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:45:01Z araujo quit (Changing host)
2018-09-19T10:45:01Z araujo joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:59:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T10:59:20Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-19T11:02:57Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:04:09Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T11:05:01Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:05:51Z dbmikus_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T11:05:54Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:11:29Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T11:11:53Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:12:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:43:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T11:43:57Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:44:12Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-19T11:46:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:56:13Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-19T11:56:31Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T11:59:48Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T12:06:57Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-19T12:09:12Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-19T12:19:02Z ecraven: wow, the code layout of gimp's script-fu Scheme plugins is astonishingly bad
2018-09-19T12:19:05Z ecraven: so many lonely parens
2018-09-19T12:35:44Z amz3` quit (Changing host)
2018-09-19T12:35:44Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-19T12:35:45Z amz3`: https://www.deconstructconf.com/2018/julia-evans-build-impossible-programs
2018-09-19T12:54:18Z lockywolf_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T12:56:48Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T13:00:05Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T13:02:10Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T13:03:00Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T13:05:45Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T13:27:34Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T13:28:01Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T13:28:51Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T13:52:39Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T13:57:23Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-19T13:59:57Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:00:48Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T14:01:15Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:03:08Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:05:56Z skace14 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:08:35Z skace14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T14:09:40Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:15:31Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-19T14:15:49Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:17:24Z jcowan: I'm trying to get a portable implementation of (rnrs bytevectors) going in aid of SRFI 160
2018-09-19T14:17:26Z jcowan: it's agonizing
2018-09-19T14:18:06Z jcowan: I'm using Larceny's mostly-portable code, plus a little bit of the R6RS sample code for *-native-ieee-* procedures
2018-09-19T14:18:29Z jcowan: and the tests (Guile + Larceny) fail with *different errors* on all of Chicken, Chibi, Guile
2018-09-19T14:18:46Z jcowan: we hates it, yes we does
2018-09-19T14:19:14Z jcowan: all the tests pass against Guile's native lib
2018-09-19T14:31:26Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:32:35Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:34:43Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T14:43:50Z gwatt: What's your starting point? I assume this requires some implementation support.
2018-09-19T14:44:45Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T14:45:37Z lockywolf__ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:49:23Z Halfdead12 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:49:32Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:50:28Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T14:52:15Z Halfdead12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T14:56:19Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:57:59Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T14:58:27Z lockywolf__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T15:05:08Z jcowan: gwatt: Very minimal: it needs implementations of bv?, make-bv, bv-length, bv-u8-ref, bv-u8-set! only.
2018-09-19T15:06:23Z jcowan: In principle these can be done with a record type wrapped around vectors.
2018-09-19T15:07:43Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:11:17Z gwatt: Of course, but then you lose out on contiguous memory
2018-09-19T15:12:20Z jcowan: I think that part of the problem is that I'm schizo about using or not using the built-in bytevector ops, especially in Chibi
2018-09-19T15:12:28Z jcowan: I want to use them in prod, but not in test running
2018-09-19T15:12:50Z gwatt: Why is that?
2018-09-19T15:13:43Z jcowan: Things like bytevector-copy and bytevector-copy! are in C in Chibi, and for performance they should be used when the lib is in prod, but for test purposes we want the code to be the same (modulo the magic five procs) on all Schemes.
2018-09-19T15:15:05Z gwatt: That sounds to me like you're not then testing the code you're using in prod.
2018-09-19T15:15:11Z jcowan: I think the Right Thing is to exclude them from the lib, put the portable versions into the test, overriding the exports from the lib.
2018-09-19T15:15:34Z jcowan: That's true.  I'm assuming they are correctly implemented in the implementation, based on its passing its own tests.
2018-09-19T15:15:43Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:15:48Z jcowan: For Chicken at least I have to provide them.
2018-09-19T15:15:53Z gwatt: I guess that's a fair assumption
2018-09-19T15:16:23Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-19T15:16:36Z jcowan: So I should change the Magic 5 to Magic 9 (bv-copy, bv-copy!, utf8->string, string->utf8)
2018-09-19T15:16:47Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:16:59Z jcowan: they will be shimmed in Chicken only, and I treat that as part of the Chicken implementation
2018-09-19T15:17:38Z jcowan: actually Magic 10, because I also need r6rs:bv-copy! (different contract from the R7RS version)
2018-09-19T15:18:19Z jcowan: shimmed in Chicken and Chibi
2018-09-19T15:19:23Z jcowan: I learned that you are allowed in R6RS (but not R7RS) to put negative ints up to -127 into bytevectors, so I had to patch around that since the tests rely on it.
2018-09-19T15:19:32Z jcowan: Bizarre.
2018-09-19T15:20:57Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:21:52Z gwatt: r7rs bytevectors are unsigned only then?
2018-09-19T15:21:59Z jcowan: indeed
2018-09-19T15:25:58Z wasamasa: it seems jcowan's name is everywhere: http://www.nsl.com/papers/interview.htm
2018-09-19T15:26:34Z jcowan: Yes, although I'm not the bluegrass singer and guitarist
2018-09-19T15:27:46Z jcowan: I also wrote the Scheme implementation of Joy, though I never finished the primitives and the parser didn't get written at all (you have to use S-expressions, which are pretty close to Joy syntax anyhow)
2018-09-19T15:29:46Z jcowan: I think the R6RS distinction between bytes (signed) and octets (unsigned) is very artificial.  Historically, bytes could be of any size though 8 bits has been most common since the death of the PDP-10 (except in CL), and octets have always been exactly 8 bits, but signed/unsigned was not an implication.
2018-09-19T15:30:39Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:43:24Z jcowan: I guess what I should do is write some tests specifically for the shim code, so that I have faith it is correct (though it should be, it comes from Chibi and Larceny) and then I can freely run either the shim or the internal code
2018-09-19T15:44:05Z jcowan: Faith, after all, is the evidence of things unseen.
2018-09-19T15:53:19Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:55:36Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T15:57:24Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-19T15:58:54Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T15:59:24Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-19T16:03:33Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:12:01Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:15:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T16:18:18Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:19:32Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:21:37Z j3kyl_`` joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:23:06Z j3kyl_` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T16:26:18Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:35:45Z amz3` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T16:40:01Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T16:41:25Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-19T16:48:04Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T16:48:19Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:48:45Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T16:58:48Z nilg quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-19T17:15:06Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-19T17:25:37Z fmnt quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-19T17:41:30Z Te3-BloodyIron27 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T17:41:31Z Te3-BloodyIron27 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-19T17:44:44Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T17:49:02Z emacsomancer quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T17:49:40Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T17:54:43Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-19T17:59:40Z satanist14 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:01:00Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T18:04:32Z satanist14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T18:09:10Z arxanic joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:09:41Z arxanic left #scheme
2018-09-19T18:17:09Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:28:13Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:32:19Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T18:40:55Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:41:08Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:46:46Z badkins_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:47:07Z hugh_marera quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T18:47:27Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:47:55Z j3kyl_`` left #scheme
2018-09-19T18:49:50Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T18:50:04Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T18:51:07Z badkins_ is now known as badkins
2018-09-19T18:54:16Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-19T18:55:45Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T19:08:17Z cemerick_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:11:47Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-19T19:16:50Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:19:18Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:19:46Z eas26 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:23:55Z eas26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T19:30:22Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T19:41:33Z cemerick_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T19:45:22Z pr3d4t0r21 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:51:54Z pr3d4t0r21 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T19:55:31Z sim6422 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:55:39Z sim6422 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T19:55:45Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:56:55Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-19T19:57:03Z fmnt joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:02:18Z fmnt left #scheme
2018-09-19T20:13:10Z oft_gegong joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:13:25Z oft_gegong: is scheme an interpreted or compiled language?
2018-09-19T20:14:28Z rain1: it can be implemented either way
2018-09-19T20:15:34Z aeth: Schemes usually use JITs, but the language specification doesn't require that.
2018-09-19T20:17:18Z SpiceMan4 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:17:47Z ecraven: aeth: how do you arrive at the "usually"? I think I know of more non-JIT-ing systems than otherwise
2018-09-19T20:17:48Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:18:07Z aeth: ecraven: Popular Schemes
2018-09-19T20:18:52Z ecraven: guile and racket have jits, but chicken, gambit and chez have compilers
2018-09-19T20:18:54Z ecraven: mit too
2018-09-19T20:20:38Z pjb: There are even scheme implementation that frobnicate scheme.
2018-09-19T20:20:52Z aeth: I wouldn't count MIT, Gambit, Chibi, etc., as popular.
2018-09-19T20:21:03Z aeth: Does anyone use MIT/GNU Scheme outside of doing SICP exercises?
2018-09-19T20:21:32Z ecraven: quite a few people join and ask about MIT in here at least
2018-09-19T20:21:42Z ecraven: but it probably is not as popular as the other large ones
2018-09-19T20:22:00Z aeth: The thing about Scheme is that you don't usually write portable Scheme, you write to an implementation.
2018-09-19T20:22:10Z SpiceMan4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T20:22:16Z aeth: Guile, Racket, and Chicken have enough users to have libraries for common problems.
2018-09-19T20:23:00Z aeth: Scheme has a ridiculous long tail of niche implementations. GNU alone has at least 3 (Guile, Kawa, MIT/GNU)
2018-09-19T20:23:11Z aeth: (Kawa, btw, I guess would count as JIT)
2018-09-19T20:23:36Z ecraven: to me, kawa is definitely a compiler
2018-09-19T20:24:15Z oft_gegong quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T20:24:46Z aeth: But it compiles to the JVM, which is a JIT platform. I'm sure a lot of JIT Schemes don't write their own JIT platform.
2018-09-19T20:24:51Z Xeago17 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:25:10Z aeth: but, yeah, this does highlight that it's hard to categorize things sometimes
2018-09-19T20:25:19Z Xeago17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T20:25:51Z rain1: my implementation compiles scheme code into bytecode which is the interpreted by a VM
2018-09-19T20:25:53Z aeth: Lisps are just platypus languages. Even when compiled, they behave like you would expect an interpreted language to behave because of their REPL-oriented nature.
2018-09-19T20:26:03Z rain1: so technically it's both compiler AND interpreter
2018-09-19T20:26:16Z ecraven: aeth: every Scheme is less repl-oriented than CL
2018-09-19T20:26:21Z pjb: Technically, implementation strategies are orthogonal to language designs.
2018-09-19T20:26:32Z ecraven: you cannot do the sort of repl-oriented development you do in CL in *any* Scheme, unfortunately :-/
2018-09-19T20:26:41Z aeth: ecraven: That's an implementation detail
2018-09-19T20:26:51Z pjb: This is the proof interpreters or compilers have nothing to do with it!
2018-09-19T20:27:04Z rain1: no
2018-09-19T20:28:00Z pjb: There are also C repl!
2018-09-19T20:28:34Z aeth: To be fair, REPLs for a compiled language tend to be (1) an interpreter that probably won't behave as you expect most implemnetations to and (2) awkward to use because the language wasn't built for that
2018-09-19T20:29:54Z aeth: The SBCL REPL uses the compiler so it should be identical except, of course, for less optimizations because it's not in the same compilation unit or file as anything else.
2018-09-19T20:32:03Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:32:10Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:34:12Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T20:44:07Z jp quit (Quit: https://ptpb.pw/~docrivers.gif)
2018-09-19T20:53:14Z jcowan: see https://bitbucket.org/cowan/r7rs-wg1-infra/src/default/CompilerAvailable.md for my take on it
2018-09-19T20:54:36Z wasamasa: lol, "private bytecode"
2018-09-19T20:54:53Z jcowan: meaning "not standardized, like the JVM and CLR bytecode is"
2018-09-19T20:55:48Z wasamasa: hm, gauche isn't listed there, but sagittarius is
2018-09-19T20:55:52Z jcowan: note that some systems appear in more than one category
2018-09-19T20:55:52Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T20:56:22Z jcowan: Gauche isn't listed because I don't know the answer
2018-09-19T20:56:39Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-19T20:56:50Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-19T20:57:34Z wasamasa: hm, I thought sagittarius is related to it
2018-09-19T20:58:39Z wasamasa: simply because gauche is mentioned here and there in its sources
2018-09-19T20:58:44Z jcowan nods
2018-09-19T20:58:46Z jcowan: I have no idea
2018-09-19T20:59:03Z jcowan: My guess would be that Gauche is private bytecode without JIT, but that's only a guess
2018-09-19T20:59:23Z wasamasa: same here
2018-09-19T21:02:50Z der-onkel joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:03:59Z jcowan: added Gauche, marked "conjectural"
2018-09-19T21:04:31Z der-onkel quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-19T21:04:52Z jcowan: "Thus the unfacts, did we possess them, are too imprecisely	16
2018-09-19T21:04:52Z jcowan: few to warrant our certitude, the evidencegivers by legpoll too	17
2018-09-19T21:04:52Z jcowan: untrustworthily irreperible where his adjugers are semmingly	18
2018-09-19T21:04:52Z jcowan: freak threes but his judicandees plainly minus twos."
2018-09-19T21:04:52Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T21:05:10Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:05:19Z jcowan: (Joyce, _Finnegans Wake_ p. 57)
2018-09-19T21:05:19Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T21:06:44Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:07:36Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:10:10Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:13:04Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-19T21:17:24Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T21:28:41Z Zipheir: :)
2018-09-19T21:29:25Z Zipheir: I wonder what programming language James Joyce would have liked best...
2018-09-19T21:33:18Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T21:34:08Z Zipheir: I’m fairly sure he would be opposed to structured programming.
2018-09-19T21:34:10Z Zipheir: Sorry, OT.
2018-09-19T21:38:41Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:51:59Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:53:46Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:56:46Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-19T21:56:55Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-19T21:57:07Z terpri quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-19T21:57:18Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-19T22:00:06Z rscho joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:00:54Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T22:01:34Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T22:02:31Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:02:41Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:03:50Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:18:37Z shbot20 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:19:23Z shbot20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T22:45:21Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-19T22:52:29Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:53:36Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:56:59Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-19T22:57:11Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T22:58:32Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-19T22:58:44Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-19T23:05:47Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-19T23:18:14Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T23:18:46Z w0land131 joined #scheme
2018-09-19T23:19:36Z w0land131 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-19T23:25:52Z rscho quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-19T23:28:20Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-19T23:30:34Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-19T23:35:36Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T23:37:02Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-19T23:39:44Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-19T23:46:18Z brettgilio quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.0.50))
2018-09-19T23:56:21Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-20T00:03:27Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-20T00:05:39Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-20T00:06:45Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T00:07:23Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-20T00:42:15Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-20T00:43:52Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-20T00:47:59Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T00:54:49Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:00:40Z Combinatorialist quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-20T01:00:40Z payphone quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-20T01:00:40Z amoe quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-20T01:00:55Z amoe_ joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:01:14Z Combinatorialist joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:01:22Z payphone joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:03:31Z xall joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:05:28Z xall quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T01:24:19Z Abbott joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:25:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:25:40Z Abbott: I am new to functional languages and scheme so this will hopefully be trivial for you guys. I want to make a function that counts the number of elements in a list. This is what I got:
2018-09-20T01:25:43Z Abbott: (define (totalCount x) (if (null? car(x)) 0 (add totalCount(cdr(x)))))
2018-09-20T01:26:03Z Abbott: but when I run it on repl.it, it says: "Error: nil is not a function [totalCount, (anon)]"
2018-09-20T01:26:41Z Abbott: What did I do wrong?
2018-09-20T01:27:33Z Duns_Scrotus: ok first off
2018-09-20T01:27:40Z Duns_Scrotus: car(x)
2018-09-20T01:27:41Z Duns_Scrotus: ??
2018-09-20T01:28:52Z Duns_Scrotus: that is not the syntax of scheme
2018-09-20T01:29:15Z Abbott: argh
2018-09-20T01:29:19Z Abbott: that should be (car x)
2018-09-20T01:29:21Z Abbott: right?
2018-09-20T01:29:24Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:29:24Z Duns_Scrotus: yes
2018-09-20T01:30:11Z Duns_Scrotus: and the cdr(x) at the back
2018-09-20T01:31:17Z Abbott: ok let me tweak a bit more
2018-09-20T01:32:42Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T01:33:05Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:34:45Z Abbott: ok I'm more confident with this one: (define (totalCount x) (if (null? x) 0 (+ 1 (totalCount (cdr x))))
2018-09-20T01:34:58Z Abbott: but repl.it hangs when I try to use it
2018-09-20T01:35:15Z Abbott: like (totalCount '()) freezes the page
2018-09-20T01:43:27Z Linus23 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:46:13Z Linus23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T01:51:08Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:53:20Z jusss joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:56:02Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-20T01:56:29Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T01:57:08Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T01:59:04Z gwatt: Abbott: your definition works for me.
2018-09-20T02:06:06Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T02:08:28Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T02:08:34Z Abbott: I had forgotten a trailing parens on repl.it, my bad
2018-09-20T02:14:00Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-20T02:18:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T02:23:19Z Zipheir: What is repl.it?
2018-09-20T02:24:14Z Zipheir: Looks like BiwaScheme...
2018-09-20T02:26:22Z Zipheir: Wow, buggy. "[BUG] unknown opecode type: h"
2018-09-20T02:27:06Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-20T02:44:32Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T02:50:37Z Abbott: it's an online interpreter. I used it with python before
2018-09-20T03:03:00Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-20T03:05:54Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-20T03:09:10Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T03:09:24Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T03:25:18Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-20T03:34:45Z f8l quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T03:47:21Z f8l joined #scheme
2018-09-20T03:49:29Z brettgilio quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T03:52:00Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T03:58:48Z Abbott: Okay, I'm trying to make an infix calculator: https://pastebin.com/raw/3nahjsL7
2018-09-20T03:59:16Z Abbott: This should turn something like (1 + 2 + 3 - 4) into (1 0 2 0 3 -4)
2018-09-20T03:59:21Z Abbott: and then I'll sum them later
2018-09-20T03:59:29Z f8l quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T04:00:24Z Abbott: but the lambda (z) function isn't working somehow. In repl.it, it returns (1 0 2 0 3 #<Closure> 4) so something isn't right
2018-09-20T04:08:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T04:22:15Z Zipheir: Abbott: That’s a confusing way to write that.
2018-09-20T04:22:59Z Abbott: this whole language is confusing lol
2018-09-20T04:23:02Z Abbott: how should I do it instead?
2018-09-20T04:23:10Z Abbott: I also don't know how I should be indenting and newlining
2018-09-20T04:23:43Z Zipheir: Abbott: The function you’re mapping returns (lambda (z) ...), hence the #<Closure> in the output.
2018-09-20T04:24:21Z Zipheir: Abbott: Yeah, the weird indentation doesn’t help. Have you gone through any books on lisp yet?
2018-09-20T04:24:35Z Abbott: no, scheme is my first exposure to functional programming
2018-09-20T04:24:49Z Abbott: other than emacs config files i guess lol
2018-09-20T04:25:26Z f8l joined #scheme
2018-09-20T04:28:33Z Zipheir: Abbott: So what are you trying to do with (lambda (z) ...) in the last line of that if form?
2018-09-20T04:29:50Z Abbott: so for a list (1 + 3 - 4), I want to return (1 0 3 -4), so when lambda(y) is mapped to '-, it should replace it with lambda(z) which will multiply 4 by -1
2018-09-20T04:30:27Z Abbott: so it will return (1 0 3 -4), then I can just sum them and then that will be infix style math
2018-09-20T04:30:47Z Abbott: I can return the correct list now with https://pastebin.com/raw/5SYykUK0
2018-09-20T04:31:19Z Abbott: but (cons + (1 0 ...)) returns (#<Function +> 1 0 2 -3) and no the sum like I would want
2018-09-20T04:31:47Z Zipheir: Yeah, that’s still wrong.
2018-09-20T04:32:14Z Zipheir: You don’t actually need the second lambda.
2018-09-20T04:33:12Z Zipheir: You’re essentially trying to access the next element to be processed by map, which you can't really do.
2018-09-20T04:34:56Z Zipheir: Abbott: Can you define map? It may not do what you think it does.
2018-09-20T04:37:28Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-20T04:38:05Z mrm: Abbot: This specifically might be beyond you right now. You seem to be confused about what exactly you're operating on, and the difference between symbols and variables.
2018-09-20T04:38:48Z Abbott: map (function) '(list of items) applies function to every item in '(list of items), right?
2018-09-20T04:39:38Z mrm: '(list of items) is a literal list consisting of the symbols 'list 'of and 'items.
2018-09-20T04:40:09Z Abbott: right
2018-09-20T04:40:19Z mrm: (map f (list x y z)) is (list (f x) (f y) (f z))
2018-09-20T04:40:27Z Abbott: so map would return ((function list) (function of) (function items))
2018-09-20T04:40:33Z Abbott: yeah
2018-09-20T04:41:08Z Zipheir: Specifically, there's no way for function to return some new function to apply to the next item.
2018-09-20T04:41:22Z Zipheir: Well, maybe with some continuation magic...
2018-09-20T04:41:53Z mrm: so, stop using notations unless you know what they mean. Unless you have a good reason to believe you are working with symbols, don't use the quote symbol '
2018-09-20T04:42:33Z mrm: You also seem a bit confused about parentheses.
2018-09-20T04:43:00Z mrm: (function) is the result of applying function with no arguments, not the function itself.
2018-09-20T04:43:31Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-20T04:44:47Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-20T04:44:49Z mrm: I'd really suggest starting off by just writing some basic functions that do simple arithmetic things in your current state.
2018-09-20T04:44:59Z comatekeke left #scheme
2018-09-20T04:45:34Z Abbott: but you can return a lambda function: https://repl.it/@DrewAbbott/SpecializedHonorableInternet
2018-09-20T04:45:43Z Abbott: ((addN 10) 20) will return 30
2018-09-20T04:46:39Z Zipheir: Yes, that’s + as Haskell Curry would write it.
2018-09-20T04:47:10Z mrm: What's the 'but' there? What are you arguing against?
2018-09-20T04:47:10Z Abbott: so that's what I'm trying to do above, returning a lambda function wherever there is a '- to operate on the next item in a list
2018-09-20T04:47:23Z Zipheir: You can't do that with map.
2018-09-20T04:48:30Z Zipheir: This is map: (define (map f l) (if (null? l) '() (cons (f (car l)) (map f (cdr l)))))
2018-09-20T04:48:49Z Zipheir: If that doesn’t make sense, you should probably stop using map until it does.
2018-09-20T04:51:44Z Abbott: that says if the argument is null, return '(), otherwise create a list ((f "head of argument") ("recursive call on tail of argument"))
2018-09-20T04:51:46Z Abbott: right?
2018-09-20T04:52:20Z Zipheir: Yes.
2018-09-20T04:56:53Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-20T04:58:17Z comatekeke quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-20T04:58:18Z Abbott: so wouldn't I be able to use '(1 + 2 - 4) and return (1 (0 (2 ((lambda (z) (* -1 z)) 4)))) which is the same as (1 0 2 ((lambda (z) (* -1 z)) 4))
2018-09-20T04:58:46Z Abbott: and then lambda (z) applied to 4 would be -4
2018-09-20T05:01:24Z marvin2: 0 for +?
2018-09-20T05:01:46Z Zipheir: The list (1 0 2 (lambda (z) ...) 4) isn't the list (1 0 2 ((lambda (z) ...) 4))
2018-09-20T05:01:47Z mange: You can't do that, because map operates on each element individually, and returns a new list with each element replaced. So (map f '(1 + 2 - 4)) will have five elements, no matter which f you use.
2018-09-20T05:03:34Z Abbott: 0 for +, yes
2018-09-20T05:03:47Z Zipheir: Worse, the list (1 0 2 (lambda (z) ...) 4) is absolutely _not_ the list `(1 0 2 ,((lambda (z) ...) 4)) (which is what you want), and the fact that I’m pulling out quasiquotation shows how fscked this approach is. :-/
2018-09-20T05:03:56Z Abbott: Zipheir but aren't lists just (1 (2 (3 4)))
2018-09-20T05:04:26Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-20T05:04:36Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T05:04:36Z mange: No, lists are (1 . (2 . (3 . (4 . ())))).
2018-09-20T05:04:39Z Zipheir: No, that's (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 (cons 4 '()))))
2018-09-20T05:05:00Z Fare quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-20T05:05:18Z Zipheir: Heh. mange's version is the representation.
2018-09-20T05:06:41Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-20T05:11:02Z Abbott: ok so when map runs, ir returns a lambda function not operating on anything as the fourth element which is the #<Closure> I've been getting
2018-09-20T05:12:53Z Abbott: as in (lambda (z) (z)) evaluates to 'apply this function to nothing and exit scope' which gives me #<Closure>
2018-09-20T05:13:59Z Abbott: Is my understanding correct?
2018-09-20T05:14:40Z mange: Not quite. (lambda (z) (z)) evaluates to a function. That function isn't applied at all.
2018-09-20T05:16:19Z Zipheir: rudybot: (map (lambda (n) (lambda (m) (+ m n)) '(1 2 3 4))
2018-09-20T05:16:23Z rudybot: Zipheir: just do (map (lambda (n) (f n extra-argument)) '(1 2 3 4 5)).
2018-09-20T05:16:38Z Zipheir: rudybot: Smart ass.
2018-09-20T05:16:38Z rudybot: Zipheir: I had to ask him, repeatedly, to stop trolling in the past. He always goes for a smart-ass response first until he figures he can't push it any further, then shuts up. So, "do you need a special inviation to stop being a dick" and stuff.
2018-09-20T05:17:33Z Abbott: lol
2018-09-20T05:17:42Z Zipheir: rudybot: eval (map (lambda (n) (lambda (m) (+ m n)) '(1 2 3 4))
2018-09-20T05:17:52Z rudybot: Zipheir: error: with-limit: out of time
2018-09-20T05:17:58Z Zipheir: Weird.
2018-09-20T05:18:25Z Zipheir: Anyway, the result of mapping a procedure that returns of procedure is a list of procedures, simple.
2018-09-20T05:18:43Z Abbott: I think you're missing a parens in that last one
2018-09-20T05:18:49Z Abbott: okay that makes sense
2018-09-20T05:18:52Z Abbott: i am convinced
2018-09-20T05:19:11Z Zipheir: Ah, oops.
2018-09-20T05:19:17Z Abbott: but now i am without an infixCalculation function
2018-09-20T05:21:25Z Zipheir: As mrm said, you should probably try something easier. I'd also recommend investigating some of the resources mentioned in the channel topic.
2018-09-20T05:22:35Z aeth: If you're OK with only supporting binary infix there's a fairly elegant way to handle it in s-expressions by going two at a time after the first element, tail recursively
2018-09-20T05:23:28Z mrm: Otherwise, lookup the shunting-yard algorithm.
2018-09-20T05:23:52Z aeth: e.g. '(1 + 2 + 3 + 4) can be iterated over as 1 followed by + 2 followed by + 3 followed by + 4
2018-09-20T05:24:09Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-20T05:24:31Z Zipheir: mrm: Good ol' shunting yard :)
2018-09-20T05:24:37Z aeth: Don't mix in evaluation. What you want to do is return '(+ 1 2 3 4) and get it into the form Scheme knows how to work with
2018-09-20T05:25:06Z aeth: (Evaluation or lambdas)
2018-09-20T05:25:59Z mrm: Zipheir: Shunting-yard is one of my favorite algorithms. Nice thing is, if you turn shunting-yard upsidedown, you get pratt parsers which have so many nice properties.
2018-09-20T05:27:03Z aeth: You're going to want to transform infix s-expressions (i-expressions?) into evaluatable s-expressions, which can then be placed in a macro or eval'd.
2018-09-20T05:28:30Z Zipheir: Ugh.
2018-09-20T05:28:58Z Zipheir: mrm: TIL, is there a source that covers that? Wikipedia doesn’t mention that goodie.
2018-09-20T05:30:30Z mrm: Zipheir: pratt's original paper mentions it.
2018-09-20T05:31:25Z mrm: both pratt parsers and shunting-yard are operator-precedence parsers. Shunting Yard is bottom up, while a pratt parser is top down.
2018-09-20T05:31:50Z Zipheir: Right, I knew shunting yard was used in op-prec parsers.
2018-09-20T05:32:49Z Zipheir: aeth: Outside the world of macro-insanity, I'd recommend something called a parser :-p
2018-09-20T05:33:09Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T05:33:33Z mrm: Except, in practice, 'top-down' just means the function call stack keeps track of the stuff that needs to be done, and if you look at it, a pratt parser is just shunting yard using the function call stack to substitute for the op stack.
2018-09-20T05:33:44Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T05:34:04Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T05:34:58Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-20T05:35:13Z aeth: Zipheir: What would you parse into, though? I would parse into valid (quoted) Scheme s-expressions if there's a semantic match
2018-09-20T05:35:15Z Zipheir: mrm: Pratt’s paper is “Top Down Operator Precedence” (1973), right?
2018-09-20T05:35:19Z mrm: Anyhow, the following is sort of the pure functional essence of a pratt parser applied to syntax:
2018-09-20T05:35:26Z mrm: https://github.com/mromyers/infix-syntax/blob/master/infix-syntax/private/core/parse.rkt
2018-09-20T05:35:35Z aeth: Zipheir: Whenever the problem is linguistic you want to be going to or from s-expressions (or both)
2018-09-20T05:35:35Z mrm: Specifically the do-parse function
2018-09-20T05:36:12Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T05:37:13Z aeth: Zipheir: (+ 1 2) producing "1 + 2" or ("1 + 2" or (1 + 2)) producing (+ 1 2) is very common
2018-09-20T05:37:14Z hugh_marera quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T05:37:18Z Zipheir: aeth: Yeah, of course. There’s just something dirty about it... Or this is the Haskell-brain-damage talking.
2018-09-20T05:37:25Z mrm: Like, when you think about it functionally, it's like a weird fold operator that decides dynamically on each element whether to fold left or right.
2018-09-20T05:37:48Z Zipheir: Interesting.
2018-09-20T05:38:01Z aeth: Zipheir: Feel free to add as many layers of fanciness to it as you want, but in the end it's just going to produce (+ 1 2)
2018-09-20T05:39:57Z aeth: My own infix had no precedence and thus mandated parens (and thus in the same level of parens only one symbol was permitted) which made it quite elegant and minimal e.g. (1 + 2 + (3 - 4)) would require the inner parens
2018-09-20T05:40:26Z mrm: Eh, precedence and associativity are easy enough.
2018-09-20T05:40:51Z aeth: But you have to give up elegance :-p
2018-09-20T05:40:59Z mrm: No, you don't.
2018-09-20T05:41:52Z Zipheir: aeth: That’s an interesting approach.
2018-09-20T05:42:21Z Zipheir: aeth: Precedence gets pretty ugly in Haskell, and it’s probably done a better job with it than most languages.
2018-09-20T05:42:30Z mrm: aeth: Take a look at the above. The entirety of the parsing algorithm is expressed in 7 lines of code.
2018-09-20T05:42:50Z aeth: Zipheir, mrm: You basically create binary infix s-expressions instead of a real language grammar like CL's LOOP if you require parens
2018-09-20T05:42:55Z mrm: The extra stuff is just boring stuff for interacting with racket syntax objects.
2018-09-20T05:44:09Z mrm: With a pratt parser, you can have more or less whatever syntax you'd like, with user defined operators.
2018-09-20T05:45:19Z mrm: Here's an example of it in use: https://github.com/mromyers/infix-syntax/blob/master/infix-syntax/test/core/arith.rkt
2018-09-20T05:51:09Z Zipheir: mrm: I’m going to bookmark this for after I’ve read the Pratt paper. ty, by the way.
2018-09-20T05:55:21Z mrm: Zipheir: np. For the record, there are two major differences between the version in the paper and my version.
2018-09-20T05:58:23Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-20T06:00:17Z mrm: 1. I modified the algorithm to be functional instead of imperative  2. I replaced the precedence variable with a 'stop?' function, which generalizes away the awkwardness in the original around left/right associativity.
2018-09-20T06:00:24Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-20T06:06:24Z Zipheir: mrm: Codewise, it’s very nice indeed.
2018-09-20T06:07:26Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T06:07:43Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T06:08:21Z reverse_light joined #scheme
2018-09-20T06:09:13Z mrm: I keep meaning to write up some sort of blog post or something about all of this, because there's so much about it that's not very widely known, and the resources that exist are kind of fragmented and ecclectic.
2018-09-20T06:10:00Z mrm: But first I'd need to make a blog or something, and then I'd need to write it up, and oh will you look at the time :-/
2018-09-20T06:12:08Z chronic joined #scheme
2018-09-20T06:12:59Z chronic quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T06:31:00Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-20T06:44:26Z cmaloney quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-20T06:47:42Z cmaloney joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:01:17Z aeth: mrm: That is very minimal, but I was talking about this (CL version): https://gitlab.com/snippets/1747132
2018-09-20T07:03:46Z aeth: The only difference in (mostly) portable, minimal, no-library Scheme is you'd have to rename things and you can't use destructuring-bind... but the destructuring-bind is trival and it just turns 2-3 lines of let bindings into one destructuring-bind
2018-09-20T07:07:29Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:10:01Z aeth: It's something that you might see in The Little Schemer (once translated to Scheme) and you could more or less expect it to run in any Lisp language (obviously renaming things or adjusting small details as necessary).
2018-09-20T07:16:09Z aeth: (I think with immutable conses you have to build it in reverse and then reverse it)
2018-09-20T07:21:12Z jjaomni29 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:26:11Z jjaomni29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T07:48:01Z kolter10 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:48:29Z amz3` joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:51:39Z amz3` quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-20T07:53:47Z cmaloney quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T07:54:34Z kolter10 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T07:55:45Z cmaloney joined #scheme
2018-09-20T07:58:47Z araujo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T08:01:31Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T08:09:50Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-20T08:11:37Z mrush: is there a name for the concept when a language allows you to convert a string to a the name of a function and then call it
2018-09-20T08:14:15Z ecraven: reflection?
2018-09-20T08:16:03Z mrush: ecraven: yeah i think that's it!
2018-09-20T08:16:45Z wasamasa: TIL that intern is reflection
2018-09-20T08:17:16Z ecraven: wasamasa: isn't interning about making strings into symbols? which is not related to actually *calling* anything in any way?
2018-09-20T08:17:55Z wasamasa: a symbol is the name of a function, in a lisp-2 even the way to refer to one
2018-09-20T08:18:13Z ecraven: which doesn't help you at all in a compiler (unless you use `eval')
2018-09-20T08:18:26Z mrush: that was my exact use case, converting to symbol then call
2018-09-20T08:18:31Z mrush: ty both
2018-09-20T08:22:09Z mrush: your nicks together seem to read 'wes craven'
2018-09-20T08:22:12Z mrush: lol
2018-09-20T08:26:34Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-20T08:29:02Z jusss quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T08:29:09Z jusss joined #scheme
2018-09-20T08:44:38Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-20T08:55:13Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-20T08:56:18Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-20T08:58:01Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T08:58:15Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:00:14Z jusss quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T09:00:54Z jusss joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:01:16Z nordstrom quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T09:01:36Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:01:40Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-20T09:06:31Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T09:07:08Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:08:15Z xa03 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:10:27Z xa03 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T09:39:15Z sa-ghosts15 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T09:46:49Z sa-ghosts15 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-20T09:49:00Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T09:49:18Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:07:14Z mugsie9 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:08:07Z mugsie9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T10:09:28Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:11:40Z orionstein5 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:13:38Z jusss quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))
2018-09-20T10:16:20Z orionstein5 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T10:25:00Z Dragofix18 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:25:01Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T10:25:17Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:27:39Z Dragofix18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T10:49:55Z geheimnis`7 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T10:54:46Z geheimnis`7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T11:02:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T11:23:04Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T11:28:54Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-20T11:35:02Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:00:54Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:10:26Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T12:10:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:12:46Z foobar20 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:13:17Z odanoburu joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:16:51Z foobar20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T12:17:23Z odanoburu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T12:21:55Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T12:41:13Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-20T12:43:34Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-20T12:46:34Z nckx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T12:57:43Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-20T13:02:00Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T13:04:29Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T13:26:49Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-20T13:46:50Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-20T13:46:51Z dsp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T13:47:05Z dsp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:12:07Z timeless18 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:20:59Z timeless18 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T14:33:12Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T14:33:55Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:35:52Z wooster13 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:36:59Z wooster13 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T14:55:17Z fourq15 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:55:39Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-20T14:57:38Z fourq15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T15:04:39Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-20T15:08:13Z Wheeze_NL14 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T15:10:00Z leppie quit
2018-09-20T15:10:05Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-20T15:10:57Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T15:11:29Z Wheeze_NL14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T15:25:03Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-20T15:40:06Z Kooda quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-20T15:43:05Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-20T15:52:48Z Kooda joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:00:55Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:01:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:04:54Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:05:51Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T16:06:22Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:08:40Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-20T16:14:17Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T16:14:48Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-20T16:32:30Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:34:27Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:41:14Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T16:42:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T16:55:07Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T16:56:35Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:14:17Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:24:04Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-20T17:25:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:33:30Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-20T17:34:01Z MagSoft_ joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:36:35Z MagSoft_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T17:42:46Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z 
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z names: ccl-logbot jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l robotoad Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer terpri Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar mrush hugo
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z names: dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t Blkt gko exit70
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z names: terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot snw stephe ec asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cibs kbtr wingo copec defanor rudybot sudden james29 weinholt mrm Guest40074
2018-09-20T17:52:55Z names: balkamos fizzie ghostyy drot remix2000 sbp qu1j0t3 dkrm dieggsy pflanze DerGuteMoritz
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z 
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z names: ccl-logbot jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l robotoad Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer terpri Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar mrush hugo
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z names: dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t Blkt gko exit70
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z names: terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot snw stephe ec asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cibs kbtr wingo copec defanor rudybot sudden james29 weinholt mrm Guest40074
2018-09-20T17:54:12Z names: balkamos fizzie ghostyy drot remix2000 sbp qu1j0t3 dkrm dieggsy pflanze DerGuteMoritz
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z 
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z names: ccl-logbot jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l robotoad Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer terpri Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar mrush
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z names: hugo dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t Blkt gko
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z names: exit70 terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot wingo copec defanor rudybot sudden james29 weinholt mrm Guest40074 balkamos fizzie ghostyy drot remix2000 sbp qu1j0t3 dkrm dieggsy
2018-09-20T17:56:30Z names: pflanze DerGuteMoritz kbtr cibs jyc fowlduck profan_ ventonegro gnomon asumu ec stephe snw
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z 
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z names: ccl-logbot jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l robotoad Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer terpri Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar mrush
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z names: hugo dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t Blkt gko
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z names: exit70 terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot snw stephe ec asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cibs wingo copec defanor rudybot sudden james29 weinholt mrm Guest40074
2018-09-20T18:01:56Z names: balkamos fizzie ghostyy drot remix2000 sbp qu1j0t3 dkrm dieggsy pflanze DerGuteMoritz kbtr
2018-09-20T18:06:09Z robotoad_ joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:07:51Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z 
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z names: ccl-logbot cemerick_ robotoad_ jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z names: mrush hugo dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z names: Blkt gko exit70 terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot snw stephe ec asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cibs kbtr DerGuteMoritz pflanze dieggsy dkrm qu1j0t3 sbp
2018-09-20T18:22:44Z names: remix2000 drot ghostyy fizzie balkamos Guest40074 mrm weinholt james29 sudden rudybot defanor wingo copec
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z ccl-logbot joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z 
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z names: ccl-logbot cemerick_ robotoad_ jcowan TheGreekOwl massma jp pjb Inline Kooda jao smazga klovett dsp badkins marvin2 nckx daviid jonaslund nordstrom wigust cmaloney reverse_light f8l Abbott payphone Combinatorialist amoe_ khisanth_ emacsomancer Zenton epony amz3 sethalves zooey ozzloy clog manumanumanu cky bheesham szgyg webshinra stux|work erratic pyro- cross cortisol ByronJohnson vyzo stux16777216Away pie_ ArneBab X-Scale groovy2shoes rann emar
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z names: mrush hugo dmiles nisstyre gwatt yosafbridge ohama Siorai pchrist snits ravndal ivanshmakov wasamasa dan64 z0d lpsmith vxe SirDayBat niklasl GGMethos `micro Guest94546 energizer DGASAU tolja XTL ineiros f32ff blt fadein turbofail joast lloda m1dnight_ keep_learning sz0 mario-goulart rotty dpk ecraven rain1 kjak kjeldahl ski davl fgudin jim averell yumh kwmiebach physpi iskander hook54321 PyroLagus abbe Kkiro eMBee tessier aeth eagleflo foof` r0kc4t
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z names: Blkt gko exit70 terrorjack greaser|q weltung bigfondue carc alphor Duns_Scrotus kilimanjaro cmatei mats samth rjungemann greghendershott ng0 LeoNerd deuill Menche hive-mind DeeEff plll[m] ArthurAGleckler[ spectrumgomas[m] proksi[m] mbakke remix2000[m] Gnuxie[m] willghatch[m] ManDay[m] ft duncanm emma evhan Kryo davexunit elly gabot snw stephe ec asumu gnomon ventonegro profan_ fowlduck jyc cibs kbtr DerGuteMoritz pflanze dieggsy dkrm qu1j0t3 sbp
2018-09-20T18:23:32Z names: remix2000 drot ghostyy fizzie balkamos Guest40074 mrm weinholt james29 sudden rudybot defanor wingo copec
2018-09-20T18:26:53Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:29:10Z cemerick_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-20T18:41:23Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:48:51Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-20T18:50:47Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T19:10:39Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:18:02Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:20:10Z gwatt: asdfasdf
2018-09-20T19:26:58Z pjb: qwerqwer
2018-09-20T19:38:17Z jcowan: rotflrotfl
2018-09-20T19:38:38Z Duns_Scrotus: Gucci gang Gucci gang
2018-09-20T19:42:08Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:43:02Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:44:06Z j0bk joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:44:40Z wigust quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-20T19:45:13Z j0bk quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-20T19:45:26Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-20T19:50:21Z gwatt: sorry, my irc session was lagging and I hit <Enter> instead of ^W
2018-09-20T20:13:17Z zz_ming2k17 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T20:16:39Z zz_ming2k17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T20:18:04Z emar quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-20T20:26:24Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-20T20:29:11Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-20T20:37:57Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T20:40:50Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-20T20:55:15Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T20:57:38Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:00:54Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:07:33Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-20T21:11:37Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-20T21:26:14Z abyss7 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:26:14Z abyss7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T21:28:15Z emar joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:40:01Z ngz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T21:41:02Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:42:39Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:45:50Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T21:55:28Z epony quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-20T22:01:01Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-20T22:05:16Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-20T22:07:10Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-20T22:15:20Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-20T22:29:48Z Abbott: how would I implement an n-fold type thing, like "apply func to '(this stuff) arg2 times"
2018-09-20T22:30:13Z Abbott: I have no idea where i would start with that
2018-09-20T22:31:08Z Abbott: I know i can do (lambda (func stuff arg2) (func stuff)) which would apply func to stuff, but how would I do it arg2 times?
2018-09-20T22:32:08Z Duns_Scrotus: you need to loop, and in scheme looping means you need to recurse
2018-09-20T22:32:33Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-20T22:33:54Z Zipheir: Abbott: If you're calling func for side effects, you could use for-each.
2018-09-20T22:36:02Z Zipheir: Abbott: Hmm. Do you want to pass a list to func or the elements of the list?
2018-09-20T22:36:33Z Abbott: I want to pass a list
2018-09-20T22:41:33Z Zipheir: Abbott: Then you just need a tail-call loop that passes along the result of applying func and increments a counter.
2018-09-20T22:42:50Z Zipheir: Abbott: But that’s a little bit awkward. There might be a better way to do whatever you’re trying to do.
2018-09-20T22:43:05Z Abbott: I think i've got something
2018-09-20T22:43:08Z Abbott: recursion hurts my brain
2018-09-20T22:45:31Z Zipheir: It gets easier.
2018-09-20T22:45:48Z aeth: Scheme has do
2018-09-20T22:45:57Z Zipheir: rudybot: swat aeth
2018-09-20T22:45:58Z rudybot waves his Palm of Slapping® threateningly at aeth
2018-09-20T22:46:00Z aeth: Completely unnecessarily, and implemented via tail recursion
2018-09-20T22:46:20Z aeth: but it's there
2018-09-20T22:46:29Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-20T22:46:41Z Zipheir: Should have been called 'dont'.
2018-09-20T22:47:31Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-20T22:48:11Z aeth: I don't get why no one understands do, it's just let with an iteration
2018-09-20T22:48:28Z Abbott: ok so I've started with this: https://pastebin.com/raw/KCWxR6Ju
2018-09-20T22:48:34Z aeth: (let ((foo 42)) ...) vs. (do ((foo 42 (+ foo 2))) ...)
2018-09-20T22:48:46Z Abbott: but I'm running into more problems returning a closure
2018-09-20T22:48:47Z aeth: (Okay, do also has a terminator, but you generally want your loops to end)
2018-09-20T22:49:06Z Zipheir: aeth: Actually, do is fine. loop is a mess.
2018-09-20T22:49:30Z aeth: Zipheir: And yet it's the only way to concisely do things like collect when mapcar (map in Scheme) doesn't work
2018-09-20T22:49:40Z aeth: e.g. when (evenp i) collect i
2018-09-20T22:49:52Z aeth: (The lack of parentheses there should scare everyone, though)
2018-09-20T22:50:02Z Zipheir: aeth: Indeed.
2018-09-20T22:50:02Z aeth: (That's a subpart of a loop)
2018-09-20T22:50:43Z Zipheir: Abbott: That's a weird way to write it, but it looks correct.
2018-09-20T22:50:51Z Zipheir: Abbott: Use = on numbers, not eqv?
2018-09-20T22:51:03Z aeth: Abbott: Virtually every modern Lisp program uses kebab-case and has all of the trailing )s in one place. Parentheses are usually managed with something like paredit in Emacs.
2018-09-20T22:51:31Z aeth: Abbott: If you don't use the consensus Lisp+Scheme style, people won't really be able to help you as easily.
2018-09-20T22:52:23Z Zipheir: As wasamasa says, don't spill the Pringles.
2018-09-20T22:52:28Z wasamasa: :D
2018-09-20T22:52:35Z aeth: Zipheir: It's not correct, you just don't see it because the style is wrong. (if eqv? 1 x) is saying if the procedure eqv? is truthy (and it is) then return 1 otherwise return x
2018-09-20T22:52:59Z aeth: Abbott: You want (if (= 1 x) ...) and to include the next part within if's parens
2018-09-20T22:53:01Z Zipheir: aeth: You’re right, good catch.
2018-09-20T22:53:03Z wasamasa: you sometimes do run into alternative cases though, like when doing FFI or using picolisp with its fun guidelines
2018-09-20T22:53:29Z Abbott: Oh! that's where it's all going wrong, good catch
2018-09-20T22:53:36Z aeth: Zipheir: Oh, and the return does nothing because it's not in a tail position.
2018-09-20T22:53:41Z Abbott: and yeah, I am having a hard time figuring out how to format scheme
2018-09-20T22:53:47Z aeth: You implicitly return at the end.
2018-09-20T22:53:48Z Abbott: format scheme code*
2018-09-20T22:54:05Z aeth: Abbott: Scheme, Common Lisp, and Emacs Lisp more or less have uniform style guidelines between them.
2018-09-20T22:54:30Z aeth: Racket sometimes adds useless []s, which I believe are equivalent to () but people believe it helps with readability. Clojure is in its own universe there syntactically.
2018-09-20T22:54:56Z Duns_Scrotus: i really like the []s
2018-09-20T22:55:07Z aeth: So, for the most part, "Lisp style" (as long as it's not Clojure or some niche Lisp style) will apply to Scheme
2018-09-20T22:56:35Z aeth: This makes sense because it's on the same level of e.g. common shared style between C++ and Java.
2018-09-20T22:56:45Z gwatt: I like brackets. I believe r6rs standardized them to mean parentheses.
2018-09-20T22:57:22Z aeth: gwatt: on the other hand, standardizing them to mean parentheses means they're not available for cool new literal features.
2018-09-20T22:57:42Z aeth: You could e.g. make [...] infix the ... if your Scheme heavily uses infix for some reason
2018-09-20T22:58:01Z wasamasa: like, mathematics?
2018-09-20T22:58:04Z aeth: (it probably would be better to #I(...) or something, though)
2018-09-20T22:58:05Z Zipheir: It’s impressive how much harder it is to catch errors in mis-formatted code.
2018-09-20T22:58:22Z aeth: Zipheir: because we ignore the parentheses and largely use indentation and newlines for cues
2018-09-20T22:58:23Z gwatt: aeth: can always use braces for that
2018-09-20T22:58:30Z gwatt: which I think racket does
2018-09-20T22:58:31Z aeth: Zipheir: When you see misformatted code you have to then read the parentheses
2018-09-20T22:58:37Z evhan quit (Quit: de irc non curat lector)
2018-09-20T22:58:38Z aeth: gwatt: true
2018-09-20T22:58:46Z evhan joined #scheme
2018-09-20T22:58:50Z aeth: gwatt: but I'm sure you soon run out of delimiters
2018-09-20T22:58:59Z aeth: so having two as equivalent could be a bad idea
2018-09-20T22:59:01Z gwatt shrugs
2018-09-20T22:59:23Z aeth: I mean it's probably too late now
2018-09-20T22:59:29Z aeth: Racket does it so people expect Schemes to do it
2018-09-20T23:00:03Z gwatt: I don't like the argument that "if we use <this one thing> for <cool feature> we can't use it for <other cool feature>"
2018-09-20T23:01:11Z robotoad_ quit (Quit: robotoad_)
2018-09-20T23:01:42Z aeth: gwatt: It's more like "how specified do you want the core of a minimalist language to be"?
2018-09-20T23:02:24Z gwatt: Accepting brackets as parens doesn't change the minimalism in either direction.
2018-09-20T23:02:48Z Zipheir: I believe R7RS un-specified them.
2018-09-20T23:03:06Z aeth: It reserves [] and {} for future extensions, maybe for r7rs-large
2018-09-20T23:03:09Z gwatt: par for the course right there
2018-09-20T23:04:36Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T23:05:09Z Zipheir: schemewiki.org is down, hmm.
2018-09-20T23:06:43Z wasamasa: library.readscheme.org is still lost
2018-09-20T23:06:54Z Abbott: so does this follow lisp style? https://pastebin.com/raw/tikfr7af
2018-09-20T23:08:12Z aeth: Abbott: almost, you still want a newline after the conditional in the if
2018-09-20T23:08:21Z aeth: That lack of newline is what made the bug hard to spot
2018-09-20T23:09:23Z Abbott: so should the two conditional returns be on the same line or do they each get their own line?
2018-09-20T23:09:25Z aeth: You either want (if test consequent alternate) or (if test\nconsequent\nalternate)
2018-09-20T23:09:34Z aeth: If you newline for one, you newline for both
2018-09-20T23:10:02Z aeth: (Obviously also use correct indentation after the \n)
2018-09-20T23:10:26Z aeth: The correct indentation for if is everything lining up, as if it's a function call. Ideally your editor should handle the indentation, though.
2018-09-20T23:10:50Z Abbott: so like this: https://pastebin.com/raw/R0daKYSX
2018-09-20T23:11:03Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-20T23:11:48Z aeth: Yes, but with everything lining up as if it's a function call. If you only slightly indent the consequent and alternate, it looks like they're part of the same result, with the first one always being used for side-effects and the second always evaluated and returned.
2018-09-20T23:11:54Z Zipheir: Abbott: The most common style is to align test, consequent and alternative.
2018-09-20T23:12:29Z aeth: When you indent it slightly, it looks like it's part of an implicit begin, like a lambda, and that it's all part of one body. e.g. when is formatted that way
2018-09-20T23:12:42Z Zipheir: if, like most special forms, is an exception to the usual formatting guidelines...
2018-09-20T23:12:59Z aeth: (if test foo bar) vs. (when test foo bar)
2018-09-20T23:13:45Z aeth: When only runs when the test is true, and runs all of the forms. You can tell, when multi-line, that when behaves differently than if because when will indent foo and bar less, and if will indent foo and bar to line up with test
2018-09-20T23:14:05Z aeth: You're indenting your if like when in the latest link you gave
2018-09-20T23:14:56Z aeth: Zipheir: Actually, if uses standard formatting, as if it was a function. It's lambda, define, when, etc., that behave unusually, by using less indentation to imply that there's a body there rather than each form passed in being independent.
2018-09-20T23:15:20Z Abbott: ok so if, consequence, and alternative should be aligned the same if using 3 lines
2018-09-20T23:15:31Z aeth: yes
2018-09-20T23:15:39Z aeth: r7rs.pdf has both styles of formatting for if in its definition of if
2018-09-20T23:15:42Z Abbott: sorry if I'm frustrating you guys lol this is just less intuitive for me than with other languages
2018-09-20T23:15:47Z aeth: unfortunately, the original site, where I got my version of the standard, is down
2018-09-20T23:16:38Z Zipheir: aeth: What I mean is that if is AFAIR the only special form indented as though it were a function. But, anyway.
2018-09-20T23:16:48Z Abbott: so nested ifs should just all be in a line then?
2018-09-20T23:16:50Z Zipheir: aeth: Oh, cond.
2018-09-20T23:17:18Z Abbott: if\nconsequence\nalternative_that_is_if\nconsequence\nalternative
2018-09-20T23:17:43Z aeth: Abbott: Generally when you combine multiple ifs, you use cond
2018-09-20T23:18:08Z aeth: Zipheir: Well, any macro without a body (or whatever the term in Scheme is, Scheme renames literally everything in Lisp) behaves that way
2018-09-20T23:18:20Z Zipheir: Or case, if you find yourself writing a lot of eqv? tests on one symbol.
2018-09-20T23:18:21Z aeth: Zipheir: It's just that most macros generally have a body
2018-09-20T23:18:33Z aeth: It's only the body part that's indented slightly
2018-09-20T23:18:47Z Zipheir: Yeah, makes sense.
2018-09-20T23:19:36Z Zipheir: The first time I wrote Lisp I tried to use C style. Holy hell, that looked awful.
2018-09-20T23:19:46Z aeth: The way Emacs handles it via its macro-aware SLIME indenting is that body gets indented less, macros with no body are indented like functions, and macros with a body but various forms before the body indent those forms a bit more than the body (4 instead of 2 spaces) but not lining up with the first form
2018-09-20T23:20:35Z aeth: Since basically everyone uses GNU Emacs for Emacs Lisp, Common Lisp, and Scheme (except for Racket programmers who prefer DrRacket) that sort of thing is essentially standard
2018-09-20T23:21:42Z Zipheir: Meh, GNU.
2018-09-20T23:22:07Z aeth: do is an exception to this, though. It has a form before the body, but it's only indented 3 spaces (to line up with the previous form) rather than 4 (to match the pattern of indenting a bit more than the body's 2)
2018-09-20T23:22:28Z aeth: Probably because do is such a short name that it would look ugly to have it actually *add* a space instead of have less spacing than the first form
2018-09-20T23:22:42Z comatekeke quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-20T23:22:51Z aeth: (loop is also an exception but it's irrelevant for #scheme)
2018-09-20T23:22:51Z Zipheir: Yeah, I’m finally digging into CL and I noted that oddness with do’s indentation.
2018-09-20T23:23:40Z aeth: oh no, wait, I counted wrong, it is 4
2018-09-20T23:24:07Z aeth: But that's still a coincidence because the second form in do* lines up with the first form, so it doesn't fit the broader macro-indenting pattern
2018-09-20T23:24:28Z llllllllllll: asked this some time ago but nobody answered, do you know of any bigger projects (open source) that are written in scheme? But not compilers etc
2018-09-20T23:25:10Z aeth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guix
2018-09-20T23:25:41Z aeth: Additionally, some big projects use Scheme for scripting.
2018-09-20T23:28:02Z Zipheir: Gimp, for one.
2018-09-20T23:28:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-20T23:28:23Z llllllllllll: thx
2018-09-20T23:28:32Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-20T23:28:47Z llllllllllll: will look into guix
2018-09-20T23:29:57Z aeth: Zipheir: Lots of GNU stuff
2018-09-20T23:30:22Z aeth: llllllllllll: Additionally, the Lisp games community uses the broader Lisp-family definition of Lisp. Its channel is #lispgames
2018-09-20T23:30:46Z aeth: Common Lisp, Clojure, Guile, Racket, and Chicken have all been used for Lisp games, as well as obscure Lisps.
2018-09-20T23:31:13Z aeth: Whether or not those count as "big" depends on your definition. They're small games, but small games are fairly big.
2018-09-20T23:33:57Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-20T23:38:44Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-20T23:39:06Z llllllllllll: cool
2018-09-20T23:40:11Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-20T23:40:26Z llllllllllll: what do you mean by obscure lisps?
2018-09-20T23:46:23Z Zipheir: aeth listed a bunch of implementations, so probably more obscure implementations.
2018-09-20T23:53:49Z Zipheir: I await a Half-Life clone implemented in s9fes Scheme. :-)
2018-09-20T23:55:19Z Andr3as19 joined #scheme
2018-09-20T23:56:10Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-20T23:56:11Z Andr3as19 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-20T23:59:51Z kjak: Or maybe aeth meant obscure dialects like Hy or LFE or something.  I have no idea if these have been used for games or if they talk about these on #lispgames though.
2018-09-21T00:09:04Z aeth: kjak: There are several that compile to Lua, and people have at the very least tried to use them because Lua is popular in gamedev.
2018-09-21T00:10:37Z aeth: There are also like 20 that compile to JS, if not 30
2018-09-21T00:21:17Z Abbott: is there a way to get the arguments or body of a lambda function? Like (myfunc (lambda (x) (foo x))) could return x or foo
2018-09-21T00:25:53Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-21T00:28:57Z Zipheir: Abbott: That would be a macro.
2018-09-21T00:29:21Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T00:31:07Z kjak: aeth: Neat. I played around with lua a bit about 10 years ago and I thought it was an interesting language.  It's crossed my mind to compile a lisp to lua just for fun. I may play around with some of the existing ones that do that when I get a chance.
2018-09-21T00:35:03Z Zipheir: Abbott: Remember, the value of (lambda ...) is an (opaque) procedure object. It might look like (myfunc (lambda (x) (foo x))) has access to the internals of the lambda expression, but that’s just representation.
2018-09-21T00:36:00Z jonaslund quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T00:40:08Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-21T00:40:50Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T00:54:45Z cobax joined #scheme
2018-09-21T00:55:51Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:01:12Z janLo26 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:05:19Z janLo26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T01:13:06Z reverse_light quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T01:22:47Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T01:26:56Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:40:13Z percY-4 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:46:56Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:47:52Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:48:04Z percY-4 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T01:48:14Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:48:50Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T01:49:11Z siraben: Hey Zipheir
2018-09-21T01:51:23Z Zipheir: siraben: o/
2018-09-21T01:51:48Z Zipheir: siraben: Haven’t seen you in here in a while. How’s it going?
2018-09-21T01:52:26Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-21T01:52:34Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T01:52:48Z qu1j0t3: siraben: ola!
2018-09-21T01:52:48Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T01:53:18Z qu1j0t3: siraben: if you're still interested in ray tracing i found an even better resource , linked in a memo to you
2018-09-21T01:55:10Z siraben: qu1j0t3: A memo? Where
2018-09-21T01:55:20Z siraben: Zipheir: Hah, yeah, it's definitely been a while.
2018-09-21T01:55:44Z siraben: Zipheir: Been working on https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth !
2018-09-21T01:55:55Z siraben: Oh it's so fun to write Z80 asm
2018-09-21T01:56:32Z Zipheir: siraben: Hey, cool.
2018-09-21T01:56:34Z qu1j0t3: -- Thu, 06 Sep 2018 --
2018-09-21T01:56:36Z qu1j0t3: 16:27:21    freenode  -- | MSG(memoserv): send siraben re ray tracing, this guy seems great, and has lots of material (and links to other people's
2018-09-21T01:56:38Z qu1j0t3:                          | ray tracers) https://twitter.com/Peter_shirley
2018-09-21T01:57:04Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T01:57:10Z qu1j0t3: a memo via memoserv on freenode
2018-09-21T01:57:24Z siraben: Oh cool, never heard of memoserv before.
2018-09-21T01:57:54Z siraben: It says sent by FurnaceBoy, what does that mean?
2018-09-21T01:57:54Z qu1j0t3: can be useful
2018-09-21T01:58:03Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-21T01:58:08Z siraben: list
2018-09-21T01:58:08Z qu1j0t3: that's my Freenode login (vs nick)
2018-09-21T01:58:35Z siraben: Oh I see.  Why did you choose qu1j0t3 instead of FurnaceBoy?
2018-09-21T01:59:13Z siraben: Zipheir: Only string input left, then it's Forth bootstrapped in itself from there on
2018-09-21T01:59:44Z qu1j0t3: siraben: i used qu1j0t3 years before i was on freenode. no real reason :)
2018-09-21T02:00:18Z qu1j0t3: siraben: anyway that guy seems to have what you were looking for re- ray tracing.
2018-09-21T02:01:35Z siraben: qu1j0t3: I see, thanks for that!
2018-09-21T02:02:00Z Zipheir: siraben: TI-EightyForth :)
2018-09-21T02:02:20Z siraben: I'll need to wait until a holiday break to learn ray tracing, looks like a lot of pre-requisite material to understand it well
2018-09-21T02:02:29Z siraben: Zipheir: Hey, that's a good name.
2018-09-21T02:02:59Z siraben: Zipheir: The hardest part was getting the `defword' and `defcode' macros to work
2018-09-21T02:03:16Z siraben: The assembler directives aren't documented at all, so I had to read the C++ source :(
2018-09-21T02:03:35Z Zipheir: Ew.
2018-09-21T02:03:59Z siraben: It's actually pretty buggy, monadic parsing should be able to help.
2018-09-21T02:04:16Z siraben: ^the assembler is buggy
2018-09-21T02:05:23Z mange quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-21T02:05:24Z Zipheir: Is that an assembler by TI? I can’t remember if they actually provide one.
2018-09-21T02:07:15Z siraben: Zipheir: https://github.com/alberthdev/spasm-ng
2018-09-21T02:07:36Z siraben: I opened a couple of issues, but it seems like a desolate place
2018-09-21T02:07:56Z Zipheir: Ah, ok.
2018-09-21T02:08:04Z siraben: I'd imagine writing an assembler wouldn't be too hard, because it's just a matter of converting "ld de, 0" instructions into opcodes
2018-09-21T02:08:19Z siraben: Scheme would be a good language to write it in.
2018-09-21T02:08:46Z siraben: Zipheir: Curiously, the pre-processor is probably Turing complete, I messed around with it a bit: https://pastebin.com/505Yze8L
2018-09-21T02:09:37Z siraben: Zipheir: The macros can get very ugly: https://github.com/alberthdev/spasm-ng/blob/master/inc/arrays.inc
2018-09-21T02:10:14Z siraben: First time I've ever seen \\\\\
2018-09-21T02:12:42Z Zipheir: Man, and I’ve been thinking some of the CL macros I’ve been looking at were ugly.
2018-09-21T02:12:55Z siraben: How have you been?
2018-09-21T02:12:55Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-21T02:13:02Z Zipheir: C/C++ macros are seriously awful.
2018-09-21T02:13:19Z Zipheir: Doing OK. Learning CL, finally.
2018-09-21T02:13:20Z siraben: Yeah.  These macros are somewhat more powerful, if only because they can have "side-effects"
2018-09-21T02:13:37Z siraben: Ah, learning CL.  Are you reading Practical Common Lisp?
2018-09-21T02:13:42Z siraben: What made you put it off initially?
2018-09-21T02:13:47Z Zipheir: Yes, how did you guess :)
2018-09-21T02:14:06Z siraben: Because it's the go-to book for CL.  I have a copy as well.
2018-09-21T02:14:10Z Zipheir: Heh.
2018-09-21T02:14:49Z Zipheir: I picked up one of Paul Graham’s books on it a long time ago before I knew any lisp, but it just seemed ugly compared to Scheme. So I put it off.
2018-09-21T02:16:05Z Zipheir: And it _is_ a “mudball of strength”, but it’s sometimes nice to work in a language that comes with ... everything, as opposed to Scheme.
2018-09-21T02:16:44Z siraben: Yeah, I might consider it to write the assembler in because it probably has all the support for reading/writing files and writing bytes, bit masking etc.
2018-09-21T02:16:59Z siraben: Although Scheme has that too
2018-09-21T02:17:13Z siraben: What makes CL stand out from Scheme is probably the CLOS
2018-09-21T02:17:22Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-21T02:17:24Z siraben: It's like `define-record' on steroids
2018-09-21T02:19:51Z Zipheir: And the multi-threading.
2018-09-21T02:20:01Z Zipheir: And macros. Very much macros.
2018-09-21T02:20:29Z Zipheir: Although I really think solving the world’s problems with defmacro is a terrible idea.
2018-09-21T02:20:43Z siraben: Oh yeah, I modified my mandelbrot plotter to use threads in Scheme
2018-09-21T02:20:45Z Zipheir: siraben: BTW, have you read Land of Lisp?
2018-09-21T02:20:51Z Zipheir: Oh, cool.
2018-09-21T02:21:18Z siraben: Although benchmarking revealed it to be 3x slower, I think it was the overhead and ultimately the sequential writing to file
2018-09-21T02:21:23Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah I have.
2018-09-21T02:21:53Z siraben: But the folks at #lisp recommended PCL over LoL
2018-09-21T02:22:06Z siraben: I do have a PDF copy of LoL but haven't read it.
2018-09-21T02:22:18Z Zipheir: Yeah, I definitely think PCL is a better book, but LoL is funny.
2018-09-21T02:22:34Z Zipheir: Have you seen the music video for LoL?
2018-09-21T02:22:45Z siraben: Yep.
2018-09-21T02:22:57Z siraben: Yeah the author's funny.
2018-09-21T02:23:07Z siraben: An M.D.\, too.
2018-09-21T02:24:06Z Zipheir: Right, the cover is hilarious “by Conrad Barski, MD”.
2018-09-21T02:24:32Z siraben: http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html
2018-09-21T02:24:41Z siraben: Scheme doesn't have a mascot, AFAIK
2018-09-21T02:25:09Z Zipheir: Scheme has a flashy new logo on Wikipedia, though. No idea where it came from.
2018-09-21T02:25:43Z siraben: Where is the logo?
2018-09-21T02:25:45Z Zipheir: Wait, no, it’s Lisp that has the yin-yang lambdas.
2018-09-21T02:26:00Z Zipheir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)
2018-09-21T02:26:19Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T02:26:21Z siraben: That's Common Lisp, I think.
2018-09-21T02:26:27Z siraben: https://common-lisp.net
2018-09-21T02:26:44Z siraben: Zipheir: What implementation of CL are you using?
2018-09-21T02:27:16Z Zipheir: SBCL, it seems like the best maintained at the moment.
2018-09-21T02:27:23Z siraben: Same here.
2018-09-21T02:27:40Z siraben: Zipheir: This has proved extremely helpful: https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/
2018-09-21T02:28:26Z Zipheir: Yup, I discovered quicklisp recently. Pretty nice.
2018-09-21T02:28:26Z siraben: Quicklisp was very easy to set up and load extra packages
2018-09-21T02:28:31Z siraben: It's somewhat sad that Scheme doesn't have a good package management solution yet.
2018-09-21T02:28:51Z aeth: The Common Lisp logo (one of many, that's one of the more obscure ones) somehow popped up on [[Lisp (programming language)]] a few months ago, and not at [[Common Lisp]]
2018-09-21T02:29:00Z Menche: snow?
2018-09-21T02:29:03Z Zipheir: Specific implementations have them obviously.
2018-09-21T02:29:07Z Menche: the new snow, based on r7rs modules
2018-09-21T02:29:08Z Zipheir: Oh yeah, and snow.
2018-09-21T02:29:17Z siraben: Snow?
2018-09-21T02:30:27Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T02:31:19Z Zipheir: snow-fort.org is the new snow, right?
2018-09-21T02:31:22Z Menche: well, this is based on snow2 http://www.schemespheres.org/
2018-09-21T02:31:35Z Menche: yeah and that
2018-09-21T02:32:01Z siraben: Has anyone here done mobile programming with Scheme?  Is it feasible?
2018-09-21T02:32:07Z Zipheir: Confusing.
2018-09-21T02:32:10Z Menche: not this one, it's ancient r4rs stuff http://snow.iro.umontreal.ca/
2018-09-21T02:32:43Z siraben: "Scheme is like a ball of snow. You can add any amount of snow to it and it still looks like a ball of snow. Moreover, snow is cleaner than mud. - Marc Feeley" O.O
2018-09-21T02:33:27Z Menche: creator of the venerable Gambit scheme compiler
2018-09-21T02:33:29Z siraben: Hmm maybe I should switch from Guile to something else
2018-09-21T02:33:40Z Menche: also professor in montreal
2018-09-21T02:34:06Z Menche: where the first dead snow is hosted
2018-09-21T02:36:08Z Zipheir: Isn’t Dead Snow a nazi-themed game or something?
2018-09-21T02:36:52Z Zipheir: Film, nvm.
2018-09-21T02:37:47Z siraben: So how would I go about using Snow?
2018-09-21T02:38:03Z siraben: Or maybe Guile already has it solved but I haven't checked it out yet.
2018-09-21T02:38:56Z siraben: Are there ways to make Scheme makefiles, like "cabal build" or "cargo build", if I use libraries?
2018-09-21T02:39:50Z Menche: very implementation dependent
2018-09-21T02:40:15Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T02:40:50Z siraben: Menche: Which implementation do you use?
2018-09-21T02:41:14Z Menche: I have chicken and gambit installed atm
2018-09-21T02:41:27Z Zipheir: +1 for CHICKEN :)
2018-09-21T02:41:38Z siraben: Zipheir: One benefit of programming in TI Z80 asm is that asking for input and producing output are very easy, they're just ROM calls
2018-09-21T02:41:46Z Menche: both are R5RS, but chicken has an egg (that's their package format) for R7RS
2018-09-21T02:41:55Z siraben: I should check out chicken.
2018-09-21T02:42:02Z siraben: So far I've only ever tried Chez and Guile
2018-09-21T02:42:14Z Menche: their packaging system is fairly complete
2018-09-21T02:42:19Z siraben: Which one?
2018-09-21T02:42:22Z Menche: chicken
2018-09-21T02:43:16Z Menche: there's a major version upgrade in release candidates now, believe it includes a revamp of the packaging
2018-09-21T02:43:26Z Zipheir: I know Guile has guild, but what’s Chez’s packaging like?
2018-09-21T02:43:57Z Menche: gambit has a great REPL
2018-09-21T02:44:05Z Menche: line editing, full tab completion, paren matching
2018-09-21T02:44:31Z aeth: I would assume most people would use something like Geiser, though.
2018-09-21T02:44:39Z Abbott: (define (app x) (apply car x)) tells me car can only take one argument, but if i replace car with + it says "expected number but got (1 2)" when I apply app to '((1 2) (3 4)) for example
2018-09-21T02:44:40Z Menche: geiser?
2018-09-21T02:44:51Z aeth: geiser is like SLIME for Scheme. Apparently one Scheme can even run in SLIME, though
2018-09-21T02:44:57Z Abbott: so I know that apply is getting (1 2) as an argument, so why can't I call car on it?
2018-09-21T02:45:02Z aeth: Basically a REPL++ integrated into Emacs
2018-09-21T02:45:23Z aeth: Apparently there's a Racket mode that has better racket integration, though? I haven't tried that.
2018-09-21T02:45:44Z Menche: Abbott, maybe (define (app x) (apply car 'x))
2018-09-21T02:45:58Z Menche: lemme try that
2018-09-21T02:46:10Z Menche: er
2018-09-21T02:46:11Z siraben: aeth: +1 for Guile
2018-09-21T02:46:13Z Menche: nvm?
2018-09-21T02:46:14Z siraben: I mean Geiser
2018-09-21T02:46:36Z aeth: geiser to me seems way more impressive than SLIME because of how different Scheme implementations are compared to CL implementations. You type "M-x geiser" and enter one of many implementations and it works, even though those implementations can differ significantly. I use it with Guile and Racket, mostly.
2018-09-21T02:46:37Z siraben: Gesier has been enormously helpful; see documentation, autocomplete, macroexpand etc.
2018-09-21T02:46:52Z Menche: huh
2018-09-21T02:47:05Z siraben: Yeah, I find that it really doesn't matter what implementation I use because of Geiser.
2018-09-21T02:47:30Z siraben: aeth: Although, I do have a nit-picky thing with it.  I can't get it to indent macros properly.
2018-09-21T02:47:59Z siraben: In Emacs Lisp you can declare the indentation of macros so it doesn't stick out ugly from the rest of the code.  Not sure how to do that in Scheme, though.
2018-09-21T02:48:17Z Zipheir: Abbott: You get an error because (apply + '((1 2) (3 4))) tries to evaluate (+ '(1 2) '(3 4)), which is a type error.
2018-09-21T02:48:54Z Abbott: Zipheir: right, I get that. I mostly just did the + to see what it was applying the function to
2018-09-21T02:49:09Z Abbott: what I don't get is why car wasn't working
2018-09-21T02:49:48Z Menche: (define (app x) (apply car '(x)))   ?
2018-09-21T02:49:50Z aeth: siraben: in SLIME (for CL) it has this special thing for macros. I was talking about it earlier here when I was talking about indentation
2018-09-21T02:49:52Z siraben: Abbott: Because you're passing multiple arguments to car
2018-09-21T02:50:00Z Menche: no
2018-09-21T02:50:04Z Menche: hrm
2018-09-21T02:50:21Z siraben: Zipheir: What editor are you using for CL?
2018-09-21T02:50:46Z aeth: siraben: SLIME essentially, when running, looks up the definition of a macro and parses its lambda list. If it has no body, it indents it like a function. If it has a body, it indents the body 2 spaces and anything before the body but on its own line (since the body comes last) 4 spaces. Obviously excluding built in forms like do
2018-09-21T02:50:50Z Zipheir: Abbott: (apply car '((1 2) (3 4))) -> (car '(1 2) '(3 4)), i.e. too many arguments.
2018-09-21T02:50:58Z siraben: Oh yeah, Emacs' package management solution is pretty much solved, expect for the forth that everything is in the same namespace.
2018-09-21T02:51:07Z siraben: oops I mean fact* (been writing forth too much)
2018-09-21T02:51:30Z aeth: siraben: I wonder if there's something similar that's possible for Scheme. Maybe that's only possible in a Scheme that can run SLIME, though.
2018-09-21T02:51:35Z Zipheir: siraben: I’m using my usual editor, plus the vanilla SBCL REPL because linedit doesn’t compile against musl libc :-/
2018-09-21T02:51:51Z Zipheir: siraben: I’m being dragged kicking and screaming to emacs...
2018-09-21T02:51:58Z aeth: Zipheir: have you tried rlwrap
2018-09-21T02:52:05Z siraben: aeth: SLIME has proved less intuitive than Geiser, however.
2018-09-21T02:52:23Z siraben: I'll figure it out eventually when I actually write CL code on my own instead of from Practical Common Lisp
2018-09-21T02:52:32Z Zipheir: aeth: Good idea.
2018-09-21T02:54:07Z Zipheir: WRT Common Lisp, so far, I have to say that (1) Scheme got macros right with syntax-rules, and (2) Haskell got macros even more right by not having them, imho.
2018-09-21T02:54:16Z aeth: eh
2018-09-21T02:54:17Z Abbott: aah that makes sense. thank you
2018-09-21T02:54:52Z aeth: Different macros have different use cases.
2018-09-21T02:55:11Z siraben: Zipheir: Ah, remind me which editor?
2018-09-21T02:55:38Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah, macros are nice and all that, but boy can they make code unreadable to other sometimes.
2018-09-21T02:55:39Z Zipheir: siraben: https://github.com/martanne/vis
2018-09-21T02:55:50Z siraben: Zipheir: I die inside when I see minikanren's macros
2018-09-21T02:55:56Z siraben: Or macros written by Oleg
2018-09-21T02:56:08Z siraben: It becomes a sort of weird code golf, I think.
2018-09-21T02:56:14Z Zipheir: siraben: Oh you need to see the new minikanren. Those scary macros are totally gone!
2018-09-21T02:56:26Z siraben: Zipheir: Is it online?
2018-09-21T02:57:02Z Zipheir: siraben: Probably. I don’t have a link on hand at the moment, sorry.
2018-09-21T02:57:18Z siraben: Zipheir: How did you encounter this editor?
2018-09-21T02:58:06Z Zipheir: siraben: OK, the longest macro in the new minikanren is 7 lines, not counting define-syntax and syntax-rules.
2018-09-21T02:58:15Z Zipheir: siraben: I ordered the new edition.
2018-09-21T02:58:24Z Zipheir: siraben: Oh, woops.
2018-09-21T02:58:53Z Zipheir: siraben: I heard about vis back when I used to hack with suckless, which is where that project started.
2018-09-21T02:59:04Z siraben: Glad to hear that they cleaned up minikanren's warts
2018-09-21T02:59:16Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T02:59:51Z siraben: Zipheir: At some point when this Forth is mature enough, I'll need to write an editor for the TI.
2018-09-21T02:59:57Z siraben: Probably going to be something like ed
2018-09-21T03:00:23Z Zipheir: siraben: suckless is pretty dead these days, but they still have some interesting ideas https://suckless.org/
2018-09-21T03:00:35Z siraben: Why did they die?
2018-09-21T03:01:01Z aeth: I think I'm very close to having a(n unoptimized) core subset of r7rs-small running on top of CL because there really isn't much to transform. Most forms are "derived" and so would need the hygienic macro system added. The fun part is I don't have a reader yet and don't need one yet. I'm just writing it in the r7rs package, while manually being aware of some syntactic differences like CL:T instead of #t and :FALSE instead of #f
2018-09-21T03:01:17Z aeth: Zipheir: That's a shame if they're dead. https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ was fun to play around with
2018-09-21T03:01:36Z aeth: siraben: If there software was so minimal maybe there just isn't anything to add
2018-09-21T03:02:03Z siraben: Zipheir: re: Emacs, just use whatever makes you happy :).  Maybe it's a feeling of sunk cost (having customized Emacs so much), it's my weapon of choice.
2018-09-21T03:02:07Z Zipheir: siraben: Basically they were super unwelcoming to all the new users, kicked some of their old users, and had no active maintainers on some major projects. It's still limping along.
2018-09-21T03:02:27Z Menche uses dwm and st
2018-09-21T03:02:45Z Zipheir: I think a lot of us probably use st.
2018-09-21T03:02:54Z aeth: siraben: Emacs is basically mandatory for Lisp/Scheme unless the particular language/dialect has its own editor (but even then, if you write in multiple Lisps, Emacs remains mandatory)
2018-09-21T03:03:18Z Menche uses nvi
2018-09-21T03:03:21Z siraben: Although I'm beginning to not feel good about using Org mode (an Emacs thing) for managing appointments and tasks, and will probably switch to paper-based/phone calendar system this weekend
2018-09-21T03:03:28Z Zipheir: aeth: Yeah, I contributed a number of patches to ii. It’s a fun program.
2018-09-21T03:03:35Z siraben: Software complexity is a big problem these days
2018-09-21T03:03:54Z aeth: siraben: That's why you need as many macros as possible
2018-09-21T03:04:04Z Zipheir: aeth: lol
2018-09-21T03:04:12Z siraben: lol
2018-09-21T03:04:38Z aeth: Well, I mean, a lot of complexity is when there's a slight mismatch between your language and what you need in your application. With macro (ab)use, you get a perfect match, and move the complexity to the macro layer. So it's both the solution and a whole new problem.
2018-09-21T03:04:39Z siraben: Oh yeah, macros make perfect sense in text editors.
2018-09-21T03:05:05Z Zipheir: aeth: Right.
2018-09-21T03:05:06Z siraben: aeth: Right.  I used a lot of macros in my Forth system written in assembly.
2018-09-21T03:05:20Z siraben: Just to save keystrokes
2018-09-21T03:05:41Z siraben: Zipheir: Forth is like Lisp in the sense that it has macros EVERYWHERE
2018-09-21T03:05:52Z Menche: somewhat annoying how changing the configuration for dwm involves recompiling and restarting (brb)
2018-09-21T03:06:03Z siraben: IF, WHILE, UNTIL, VARIABLE, CONSTANT, string declarations etc. will be written in Forth itself
2018-09-21T03:07:14Z Zipheir: Menche: Depends on how often you need to tweak your wm. If that’s “a lot”, the answer is → https://stumpwm.github.io/
2018-09-21T03:07:43Z siraben: Zipheir: It feels really weird to program in a language such as assembly, without types, and with scary errors happening at run-time
2018-09-21T03:08:06Z Zipheir: siraben: Forth?
2018-09-21T03:08:11Z siraben: No, assembly.
2018-09-21T03:08:15Z Abbott: so (map car '(1 2) '(3 4)) => ((1 3) (2 4)), but (apply (map cons) '((1 2) (3 4))) does not work because it tries to do (map cons) before appending it to the beginning of the list. Is there some other way I should be turning ((1 2) (3 4)) into multiple arguments like (1 2) (3 4) ?
2018-09-21T03:08:24Z siraben: Forth is more sane, once I get stack underflow checks implemented.
2018-09-21T03:08:52Z siraben: An "error" in Forth is just when the interpreter/compiler is unable to find the word that was input, and clears the return and parameter stacks to the initial state.
2018-09-21T03:09:25Z siraben: But yeah, writing asm makes you appreciate the effort we put into compilers and higher level languages.
2018-09-21T03:10:06Z Zipheir: siraben: Reminds me, did you see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ It came up on here a few weeks back.
2018-09-21T03:10:27Z wigust- quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-21T03:10:39Z siraben: aeth: Any guides on writing a Major mode for Emacs?  The default asm-mode is not very nice
2018-09-21T03:10:43Z aeth: siraben: What do you mean? Spending all day writing a 5 line function in dozens of lines is fun!
2018-09-21T03:10:51Z aeth: siraben: oh please write a better asm mode
2018-09-21T03:10:59Z siraben: Zipheir: Ah, haven't seen it before.
2018-09-21T03:11:06Z aeth: siraben: I don't know what it was designed for, but it wasn't designed for nasm and I had to fight it a bit
2018-09-21T03:11:35Z Zipheir: siraben: Stories from back when NASA used Lisp :)
2018-09-21T03:12:20Z siraben: aeth: Oh cool, are you an embedded dev?
2018-09-21T03:12:29Z Zipheir: Abbott: Generally you want to avoid apply unless there’s no other option. Most implementations impose a limit on the number of arguments to a procedure.
2018-09-21T03:12:36Z siraben: Zipheir: NASA used Forth for the Philae lander :)
2018-09-21T03:12:43Z Abbott: oh, good to know
2018-09-21T03:12:47Z Zipheir: siraben: Yeah, I heard about that.
2018-09-21T03:13:05Z siraben: They have amazing engineers.  Imagine designing a chip to withstand conditions in space.
2018-09-21T03:13:14Z siraben: Or enter the radiation belt around Jupiter
2018-09-21T03:13:35Z siraben: I believe for Juno they have three on-board radiation-hardened CPUs
2018-09-21T03:13:41Z Zipheir: Abbott: So this is why SRFI-1 provides concatenate, because (apply append list-of-lists) might blow up.
2018-09-21T03:14:03Z siraben: aeth: Yeah, but I'm just unsure of how to go about writing it.
2018-09-21T03:14:27Z siraben: My ad-hoc solution is to go into text-mode and give up that syntax highlighting (which doesn't help much in asm anyway)
2018-09-21T03:14:54Z aeth: siraben: I mostly read asm, not write it. I don't write embedded, but I do try to keep a decent knowledge of asm because I like reading the generated asm
2018-09-21T03:15:10Z siraben: Zipheir: Once you learn CL, you're just one step closer to learning...Emacs Lisp! /s
2018-09-21T03:15:21Z aeth: I mean, every developer reads the asm that their function generates to see if they made a terrible mistake when they make a change, right?
2018-09-21T03:15:30Z siraben: aeth: https://godbolt.org/ is cool
2018-09-21T03:15:43Z Zipheir: siraben: Heh, you just need to step into your time machine and go back 30 years. :)
2018-09-21T03:15:55Z siraben: aeth: Can you dissassemble Scheme into asm?
2018-09-21T03:15:58Z Zipheir: siraben: setq everywhere!
2018-09-21T03:16:21Z siraben: Zipheir: Fun fact: `defun' is a macro in Emacs, so is... `defmacro'
2018-09-21T03:16:38Z Zipheir: siraben: O_O
2018-09-21T03:17:05Z siraben: I wonder what the folks at TI use to write the TI-84 OS.
2018-09-21T03:17:09Z siraben: Surely they must have a compiler or something.
2018-09-21T03:17:18Z aeth: siraben: depends on the Scheme
2018-09-21T03:17:52Z aeth: Not every Scheme works in a way that disassembling is a meaningful concept
2018-09-21T03:18:39Z siraben: Zipheir: Pull requests accepted!  If you're into that sort of thing lol
2018-09-21T03:18:54Z siraben: Maybe there's a bunch of Z80 devs around freenode
2018-09-21T03:22:08Z siraben: Anyone else here a TI-84 and a cable lying around?
2018-09-21T03:22:13Z siraben: have a*
2018-09-21T03:22:31Z Menche has a TI-nSpire which can emulate a TI-84
2018-09-21T03:22:35Z Zipheir: siraben: I’ll take a look. I don’t think I’ll be able to contribute anything without finding out how to run the stupid transfer program.
2018-09-21T03:22:47Z siraben: What OS?
2018-09-21T03:23:11Z siraben: Menche: calculator-ception
2018-09-21T03:23:11Z Zipheir: Linux or OpenBSD.
2018-09-21T03:23:29Z Menche: ♥ OpenBSD
2018-09-21T03:23:30Z siraben: Hmm.  Do you have access to a Mac?
2018-09-21T03:23:47Z siraben: I'm only using it because of this TI-Connect
2018-09-21T03:23:53Z Zipheir: Apple products aren’t allowed in our house ^_^
2018-09-21T03:24:02Z Menche: well, it can emulate a TI-84 Plus Silver, idk if that's the same thing or not
2018-09-21T03:24:32Z Zipheir: Plus Silver?
2018-09-21T03:24:37Z siraben: Menche: That should work.
2018-09-21T03:25:03Z siraben: I'm jealous.  You have 1.5 MB of user-accessible ROM to work with.
2018-09-21T03:25:23Z siraben: Oh that's the ROM, nevermind.
2018-09-21T03:25:44Z siraben: Both models have 24 KB of RAM, which should be enough for a Forth.
2018-09-21T03:26:12Z Menche: idk how much it can do in nSpire mode
2018-09-21T03:26:18Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T03:26:25Z Menche: the BASIC dialect is neutered
2018-09-21T03:27:01Z Menche: believe they stripped out most of the drawing functions so people would stop making games with it
2018-09-21T03:27:31Z siraben: Sorry, I'm wrong again.  AFAIK I can only write from AppBackUpScreen to AppBackUpScreen+767 inclusive
2018-09-21T03:28:11Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-21T03:28:21Z siraben: So I have 768 bytes, plus another 768 bytes from SaveSScreen to SaveSScreen+767, 1536 bytes in total
2018-09-21T03:28:27Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T03:28:42Z siraben: Menche: People would rather make games in asm for the calculator
2018-09-21T03:29:27Z Zipheir: Menche: TI was shocked, shocked that people were having _fun_ with their products.
2018-09-21T03:29:39Z siraben: Menche: Or, more recently as of the early 2010s, the AXE language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-Z1DcjBSg
2018-09-21T03:29:43Z Menche: don't you need a paid version of the PC software to upload programs in other languages?
2018-09-21T03:29:53Z siraben: Hm?
2018-09-21T03:29:56Z siraben: What do you mean?
2018-09-21T03:30:04Z Menche: think the nSpire supports Lua, for extra $$$
2018-09-21T03:30:09Z Menche: idk
2018-09-21T03:30:10Z siraben: Eww
2018-09-21T03:30:14Z Menche: I've never poked at it too much
2018-09-21T03:30:25Z aeth: So they support Lua but they don't want games
2018-09-21T03:30:28Z siraben: Zipheir: If you browse through the forums, you clearly see a hacker culture around TI calculators.
2018-09-21T03:30:36Z siraben: It's great, however it seems to be on the decline.
2018-09-21T03:31:33Z Zipheir: aeth: Yeah, that’s pretty funny, given that almost every game hacker is fluent in Lua these days.
2018-09-21T03:31:41Z siraben: After all, the TI-84+ is a microcomputer with full hardware
2018-09-21T03:32:03Z Zipheir: Indeed.
2018-09-21T03:32:26Z siraben: Zipheir: Z80 chips are really cutting it in terms of minimalism
2018-09-21T03:32:27Z Menche searches, https://inspired-lua.org/
2018-09-21T03:32:45Z Zipheir: siraben: How so?
2018-09-21T03:32:58Z siraben: Folks on x86 chips have so much more to work with.
2018-09-21T03:33:38Z siraben: Well, there's really only three 16-bit registers I use often; DE, HL, BC.  Load instructions aren't always possible between the three
2018-09-21T03:33:54Z siraben: There's no multiplication routine, I have to write that...same for div, mod, etc.
2018-09-21T03:34:58Z siraben: I'm writing my own strlen and strcmp right now :)
2018-09-21T03:34:59Z Zipheir: That’s refreshing after the ‘more is more’ design of x86.
2018-09-21T03:35:08Z siraben: I suppose so.
2018-09-21T03:35:30Z siraben: Zipheir: Have you heard of KnightOS? https://github.com/KnightOS/KnightOS
2018-09-21T03:35:45Z jcob quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T03:36:05Z siraben: The kernel is pretty well documented as well https://github.com/KnightOS/kernel
2018-09-21T03:37:21Z Zipheir: Wow, this is pretty cool.
2018-09-21T03:38:23Z Zipheir: This must have required some reverse-engineering...
2018-09-21T03:39:31Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T03:39:44Z siraben: The built-in support for math symbols reminds me of APL
2018-09-21T03:42:11Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T03:45:35Z siraben: Zipheir: Does Forth still look like arabic to you? :P
2018-09-21T03:46:24Z Zipheir: siraben: Did I say that?
2018-09-21T03:46:30Z siraben: Zipheir: Yes.
2018-09-21T03:46:45Z Zipheir: siraben: It’s a cool language, I’m just focusing on Lisp and Haskell at the moment.
2018-09-21T03:46:57Z siraben: Ah haha I see.
2018-09-21T03:47:03Z siraben: Yeah, FP all the way.
2018-09-21T03:47:33Z Zipheir: I’m curious about Smalltalk, which is another one of those 'classic languages'.
2018-09-21T03:47:34Z siraben: Someone made on OOP "module" for Forth, surely closures wouldn't be hard to do.
2018-09-21T03:47:39Z siraben: Yeah, I am as well.
2018-09-21T03:47:47Z siraben: I have Squeak installed.
2018-09-21T03:48:38Z siraben: There's a book on using Squeak and Smalltalk, but the entire thing on message passing and OOP needs some time
2018-09-21T03:49:43Z Zipheir: Eh, we’ve done SICP, messages are old news :)
2018-09-21T03:50:11Z siraben: Truth be told I haven't really dug into the digital logic simulator portion of it yet.
2018-09-21T03:50:56Z siraben: And apparently it can model differential equations as well, which is a little mind-boggling.
2018-09-21T03:52:01Z siraben: And apparently it can model differential equations as well, which is a little mind-boggling.
2018-09-21T03:52:03Z siraben: Oops
2018-09-21T03:52:18Z Zipheir: From what I’ve read of the history of OOP, circuit simulators was all anyone used it for for a long time.
2018-09-21T03:53:08Z siraben: What are the problems with OOP?
2018-09-21T03:53:11Z Zipheir: And, based on the simple simulator in SICP, big networks of interacting objects are very hard to debug.
2018-09-21T03:53:23Z siraben: ^yes, debugging would be extremely hard.
2018-09-21T03:53:46Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T03:54:01Z Zipheir: But that’s a simulation—the point is you’re modeling something complicated, which is the interaction of lots of objects.
2018-09-21T03:54:22Z siraben: Hal Abelson mentioned on the philosophical debate on streams vs. mutable objects.  Maybe time doesn't exist ("like in special relativity", he said) and we can just consider streams instead of state.
2018-09-21T03:54:33Z siraben: as the basis for reality.
2018-09-21T03:54:48Z Zipheir: Right, that’s a really great point.
2018-09-21T03:55:14Z siraben: Well, Haskellers can say "monads model mutable state!"
2018-09-21T03:55:27Z Zipheir: Monads do that and a lot more.
2018-09-21T03:55:37Z siraben: M a -> (a -> M b) -> M b
2018-09-21T03:55:43Z siraben: How can they do continuations?
2018-09-21T03:56:05Z Zipheir: Oh, the Cont monad. That’s something I haven’t wrapped my head around yet.
2018-09-21T03:56:14Z siraben: So far the most impressive seems to be the monadic parsing, I absolutely love that abstraction.
2018-09-21T03:56:22Z siraben: Oh, and non-determinism.
2018-09-21T03:56:45Z Zipheir: siraben: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/12/mother-of-all-monads.html If you can figure this out, please explain it to me.
2018-09-21T03:56:47Z siraben: The paper called "Purely Functional Lazy Non-Deterministic Programming" made a language that feels like minikanren in many ways
2018-09-21T03:57:08Z siraben: Zipheir: Haha, I'll take a stab.
2018-09-21T03:57:11Z energizer quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T03:57:59Z siraben: Zipheir: Have you asked in #haskell ?  What was their explanation?
2018-09-21T03:58:54Z Zipheir: siraben: I’m kidding, I really haven’t worked through that post very carefully yet. I’ll ask the #haskellers if I _really_ can’t get anything out of it.
2018-09-21T03:59:13Z energizer joined #scheme
2018-09-21T03:59:15Z Zipheir: siraben: That blog is always excellent. That’s just a tough post, imo.
2018-09-21T03:59:34Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T03:59:36Z Zipheir: “Holes” in do notation... wat.
2018-09-21T03:59:41Z siraben: Continuations are a tricky concept, I still have yet to fully get call/cc
2018-09-21T03:59:53Z siraben: I mean in terms of application, not mechanism.
2018-09-21T04:04:10Z Zipheir: siraben: The Seasoned Schemer’s got you covered there.
2018-09-21T04:04:48Z Zipheir: siraben: Well, insofar as any of the Little books has got you covered. They’re like Zen koans. You have to do most of the work yourself.
2018-09-21T04:05:16Z siraben: Yeah, they really are like Zen koans.
2018-09-21T04:05:34Z siraben: Stare at 10 lines for an hour.
2018-09-21T04:06:02Z Zipheir: Speaking of which, The Little Typer is coming out real soon. :)
2018-09-21T04:06:33Z siraben: Ooh, I can't wait for that one.
2018-09-21T04:06:40Z siraben: Scheme needs a strong type system, and fast!
2018-09-21T04:07:17Z Zipheir: That would be interesting.
2018-09-21T04:07:27Z Zipheir: Wait, Scheme has a strong type system.
2018-09-21T04:07:33Z Zipheir: You mean static.
2018-09-21T04:07:37Z siraben: Right.
2018-09-21T04:07:43Z Zipheir: I always mix those up.
2018-09-21T04:07:43Z siraben: Technically yes it catches all type errors.
2018-09-21T04:07:50Z siraben: Static would be better.
2018-09-21T04:08:07Z siraben: Typeclasses in Scheme, anyone?
2018-09-21T04:08:33Z Zipheir: We’ve got Eq and Ord now.
2018-09-21T04:08:50Z Zipheir: Monad and Monoid are Coming Soon®
2018-09-21T04:08:54Z siraben: Well once you have a better type system, people will be waiting for the whole thing, up to dependent types!
2018-09-21T04:09:31Z siraben: (newtype (Stream a) (disj '() (Cons a (Stream a))))
2018-09-21T04:09:41Z Zipheir: Yeah, take a look at Haskell. Simon Peyton-Jones really doesn’t want dependent types...
2018-09-21T04:09:52Z siraben: Hmm.  Why not?
2018-09-21T04:10:00Z siraben: I don't really understand them myself.
2018-09-21T04:10:36Z Zipheir: Too much complexity.
2018-09-21T04:10:42Z siraben: "Dependent types add complexity to a type system...If arbitrary values are allowed in dependent types, then deciding type equality may involve deciding whether two arbitrary programs produce the same result; hence type checking may become undecidable. "
2018-09-21T04:10:46Z Zipheir: I can’t remember where he was arguing about that...
2018-09-21T04:10:51Z Zipheir: Ah, there we go.
2018-09-21T04:10:54Z siraben: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_type
2018-09-21T04:11:14Z siraben: Looks like the only languages supporting dependent types are the theorem proving ones.
2018-09-21T04:11:21Z Zipheir: And Idris.
2018-09-21T04:11:48Z siraben: Idris looks like Haskell
2018-09-21T04:11:59Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T04:12:02Z siraben: Hmm interesting.
2018-09-21T04:12:49Z Zipheir: siraben: You might find this interesting. It is very condescending, but the point is important https://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/dynamic-languages-are-static-languages/
2018-09-21T04:13:15Z siraben: Well I'd like to see how it plays out in the long run.  Programming languages are always a hot area of much discussion.
2018-09-21T04:13:21Z Zipheir: (also, I noticed jcowan in the comments on that post)
2018-09-21T04:13:27Z siraben: Zipheir: I'll check it out.
2018-09-21T04:14:30Z Zipheir: Despite what Sussman says, I do think that type theory can save humanity from the abyss of endless bug-hunting. :)
2018-09-21T04:14:38Z siraben: Sussman said that?
2018-09-21T04:15:11Z Zipheir: Sussman says stuff like "type theory is a waste of time", etc. etc.
2018-09-21T04:16:16Z aeth: Zipheir: now you debug the types
2018-09-21T04:16:52Z Zipheir: aeth: Welcome to dependent types :)
2018-09-21T04:17:11Z siraben: There are no types in asm, which is both a relief and a pain.  I think it also depends on the programmer.  An inexperienced one will write bad programs, no matter the type system
2018-09-21T04:17:18Z Zipheir: _But_ that is all compile-time debugging.
2018-09-21T04:17:50Z siraben: What about programs of beauty (or hideousness) like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root ?
2018-09-21T04:17:51Z aeth: Zipheir: You can do compile-time debugging with macros
2018-09-21T04:18:18Z aeth: siraben: All you need is a sufficiently permissive CFFI and you can break the type system like that in any language
2018-09-21T04:19:09Z siraben: aeth: "I really think solving the world’s problems with defmacro is a terrible idea." - Zipheir
2018-09-21T04:19:15Z siraben: aeth: How do you do it, though?
2018-09-21T04:20:09Z Zipheir: siraben: Why thank you xD
2018-09-21T04:20:45Z siraben: Zipheir: Land of Lisp makes the claim in their web comic that Lisp has the power to eradicate bugs.
2018-09-21T04:21:08Z aeth: siraben: allocate a C variable as a float, read it as an int, write it as an int, read it as a float
2018-09-21T04:21:33Z Zipheir: siraben: Yes, and the book suggests Scheme is for sheep who like “mathematical purity”.
2018-09-21T04:21:43Z Zipheir: siraben: You can’t take it seriously, imo.
2018-09-21T04:21:48Z aeth: e.g. in CL: (defun fast-inverse-square-root (number) (declare (single-float number) (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (let ((x2 (* 0.5f0 number))) (cffi:with-foreign-object (i :float) (cffi-sys:%mem-set number i :float) (cffi-sys:%mem-set (- #x5f3759df (ash (cffi-sys:%mem-ref i :int) -1)) i :int) (let ((y (cffi-sys:%mem-ref i :float))) (* y (- 1.5f0 (* x2 y y)))))))
2018-09-21T04:22:00Z aeth: I used the names from the wikipedia article instead of idiomatic names
2018-09-21T04:22:00Z siraben *gasps*
2018-09-21T04:22:27Z siraben: How do I activate the cffi in SBCL?
2018-09-21T04:22:34Z aeth: (ql:quickload :cffi)
2018-09-21T04:22:34Z Zipheir: aeth: Wwo.
2018-09-21T04:22:37Z Zipheir: *wow
2018-09-21T04:22:41Z aeth: It's a portability library over something that's built in
2018-09-21T04:22:46Z aeth: btw, you don't need (safety 0)
2018-09-21T04:22:55Z aeth: That's just for speed since it's already a very unsafe thing
2018-09-21T04:22:59Z siraben: Does Haskell have a CFFI?
2018-09-21T04:23:39Z Zipheir: siraben: Believe it or not, https://wiki.haskell.org/GHC/Using_the_FFI
2018-09-21T04:24:14Z siraben: aeth: Hey, that code surprisingly worked.
2018-09-21T04:24:24Z Zipheir: siraben: Also if you like embedding C in your Lisp, you really need to check out CHICKEN.
2018-09-21T04:24:40Z siraben: Quick, someone port the fast inverse square root hack to Haskell!
2018-09-21T04:24:47Z aeth: I know one of them has literal inline C
2018-09-21T04:24:51Z aeth: that'd be cheating to do this there
2018-09-21T04:25:03Z Zipheir: Yup, that's chicken.
2018-09-21T04:26:16Z siraben: Zipheir: By the way, I saw that my friend's CS homework was to calculate pi with the expansion (4 - 4/3 + 4/5 - 4/7 ...), streams would have helped enormously.
2018-09-21T04:26:50Z Zipheir: Yes.
2018-09-21T04:31:05Z siraben: Zipheir: Hmm, why doesn't this work in Haskell? pi_stream = [(4*x)/y | x <- cycle [1, -1], y <- [1,3..]]
2018-09-21T04:31:14Z siraben: It's not alternating between positive and negative
2018-09-21T04:33:34Z davexunit quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T04:36:57Z Zipheir: One sec, let me get ghci up.
2018-09-21T04:37:35Z siraben: Ok.
2018-09-21T04:37:35Z siraben:  
2018-09-21T04:39:07Z Zipheir: Yeah, that doesn’t work. Weird...
2018-09-21T04:40:30Z Zipheir: Oh, duh, it never gets to the first -1.
2018-09-21T04:40:43Z siraben: Oh.
2018-09-21T04:40:48Z siraben: I need to zipWith (*) then
2018-09-21T04:41:05Z Zipheir: So you get the list [(4 * 1) / 3, (4 * 1) / 5, ..., ⊥]
2018-09-21T04:42:08Z siraben: Now I need to do partial sums
2018-09-21T04:42:12Z Zipheir: zipWith (*) should indeed do it.
2018-09-21T04:42:51Z siraben: Ah, scanl
2018-09-21T04:43:20Z siraben: pi_stream = zipWith (\x y -> (4*x)/y) (cycle [1,-1]) [1,3..]
2018-09-21T04:43:28Z siraben: take 10 (scanl (+) 0 pi_stream)
2018-09-21T04:43:43Z siraben: A two-liner, no less.
2018-09-21T04:43:53Z Zipheir: That’s Haskell.
2018-09-21T04:43:54Z siraben: Well, it can be made one line if you inline pi_stream
2018-09-21T04:44:10Z siraben: How pleasant.
2018-09-21T04:44:26Z Zipheir: (Only 10,000 lines of C++)
2018-09-21T04:45:08Z siraben: I believe their Java solution was around 6 lines, well, 20-ish if you count the entire program starting from public static ...
2018-09-21T04:45:26Z siraben: It is demotivating to not have an interactive mode in a language.
2018-09-21T04:47:46Z aeth: what's the interactive mode in asm?
2018-09-21T04:47:56Z siraben: None!
2018-09-21T04:48:05Z siraben: That's why it's extremely demotivating.
2018-09-21T04:48:38Z siraben: I don't have an emulator, so unforunately all my debugging is "if it prints right, it's correct"
2018-09-21T04:49:47Z aeth: https://web.archive.org/web/20160624112654/https://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2014/03/15/sbcl-the-ultimate-assembly-code-breadboard/
2018-09-21T04:49:48Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/eFDGPJzEXN
2018-09-21T04:50:43Z aeth: I need to try that one day
2018-09-21T04:51:00Z siraben: Whoa, Lisp + Forth
2018-09-21T04:51:12Z siraben: Yeah, I'm using register BC to store my top-of-stack
2018-09-21T04:54:46Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T04:55:16Z erratic quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-21T04:56:29Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-21T05:09:07Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-21T05:13:51Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T05:14:12Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-21T05:18:01Z Zipheir: Goodnight, all. Err, <time of day>. Nice talking, siraben, don’t be a stranger. :)
2018-09-21T05:18:30Z siraben quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T05:21:50Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T05:22:05Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T05:23:26Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-21T05:38:08Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-21T05:50:34Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T05:53:46Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T05:58:10Z Guest9091 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T05:58:38Z MarkSX27 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T06:00:58Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-21T06:01:36Z Guest9091 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T06:02:01Z MarkSX27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T06:11:14Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T06:11:50Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-21T06:12:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T06:12:43Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T06:16:26Z rad3 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T06:17:21Z rad3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T06:36:54Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-21T07:00:33Z dtroyer27 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T07:00:36Z dtroyer27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T07:01:17Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-21T07:12:04Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T07:38:55Z kjak quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T07:39:13Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-21T07:45:54Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T07:57:07Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-21T08:08:21Z zphinx24 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T08:09:52Z zphinx24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T08:57:26Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T08:59:17Z eponym joined #scheme
2018-09-21T08:59:47Z eponym quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T09:03:24Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:05:02Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T09:06:30Z MerlinTHP3 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:13:59Z MerlinTHP3 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T09:18:27Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-21T09:26:10Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:31:00Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:34:47Z keep_learning quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T09:40:29Z keep_learning joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:40:34Z aeth quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T09:41:37Z aeth joined #scheme
2018-09-21T09:43:36Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:03:46Z Mr-Protocol2 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:07:57Z Mr-Protocol2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T10:16:05Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:16:36Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T10:37:43Z eean4 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:45:49Z redeemed joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:46:31Z eean4 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T10:46:39Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-21T10:49:50Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-21T10:50:17Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-21T10:59:58Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:04:07Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-21T11:05:19Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:11:32Z kjak joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:14:42Z kjak_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:21:32Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:36:07Z sylvanaar4 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:37:55Z sylvanaar4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T11:43:59Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T11:51:51Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T12:13:36Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:15:51Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T12:29:38Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-21T12:44:17Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:46:28Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T12:46:30Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T12:46:42Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:46:44Z mulander23 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:46:47Z mulander23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T12:48:40Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:50:59Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-21T12:51:18Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:56:43Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:57:50Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T12:58:19Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:59:08Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T12:59:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T12:59:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T13:08:02Z jcowan: Dependent types are like low-level macros and blind inlining: an excellent way to execute infinite loops in the compiler.
2018-09-21T13:08:47Z cemerick_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T13:12:40Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T13:13:46Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-21T13:14:13Z cemerick_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-21T13:26:47Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T13:26:56Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T13:36:15Z rain1: kind of but they usually restrict them to stop infinite loops
2018-09-21T13:46:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T13:47:59Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-21T13:56:03Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-21T14:10:48Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-21T14:14:46Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T14:21:49Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-21T14:28:31Z jcob quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T14:28:44Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-21T14:43:42Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T14:45:53Z jcob quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-21T15:03:56Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-21T15:06:57Z redeemed quit (Quit: q)
2018-09-21T15:07:40Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-21T15:16:47Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-21T15:19:40Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-21T15:20:23Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-21T15:25:43Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-21T15:25:56Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T15:38:41Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-21T15:40:50Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:04:05Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-21T16:14:14Z HFman joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:14:22Z HFman quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T16:19:07Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T16:19:26Z ozzloy quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-21T16:22:16Z hasufell_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:26:45Z hasufell_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T16:27:05Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:32:15Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T16:33:01Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T16:45:47Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T16:47:50Z opm25 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:48:09Z opm25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T16:49:17Z sftp13 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:49:18Z klovett quit
2018-09-21T16:53:30Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:54:02Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-21T16:54:10Z sftp13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T17:08:29Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:12:52Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T17:14:08Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T17:14:42Z DGASAU joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:17:33Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:24:36Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T17:25:22Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T17:44:20Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:47:47Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:52:02Z mrdjc21 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T17:53:43Z mrdjc21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T18:02:47Z mhb_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:10:31Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:13:48Z cortisol quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-21T18:15:36Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:19:11Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T18:22:06Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:23:20Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:29:41Z cortisol quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T18:30:01Z cortisol joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:35:51Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:37:12Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T18:38:34Z enderby joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:54:35Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-21T18:55:29Z enderby quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T19:01:14Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-21T19:05:47Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T19:24:53Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T19:27:46Z krasnus27 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T19:34:34Z krasnus27 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T19:46:41Z mjlee15 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T19:47:28Z mjlee15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T19:49:26Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T20:00:43Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-21T20:02:05Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-21T20:04:07Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T20:06:52Z joast quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T20:09:49Z nckx quit (Quit: Updating my GNU GuixSD server — gnu.org/s/guix)
2018-09-21T20:11:11Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-21T20:31:07Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-21T20:39:43Z erratic quit (Quit: this server has gone to sleep)
2018-09-21T20:48:06Z joast joined #scheme
2018-09-21T21:06:39Z couchsofa13 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T21:06:50Z couchsofa13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T21:27:39Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-21T21:29:12Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T21:34:54Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T21:37:33Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-21T21:38:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-21T21:43:28Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-21T21:43:39Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T21:48:02Z jcowan_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T21:54:11Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-21T22:05:01Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T22:10:24Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-21T22:11:07Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-21T22:16:10Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-21T22:19:32Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-21T22:29:14Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-21T22:30:00Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-21T22:30:49Z mhb_ left #scheme
2018-09-21T22:37:02Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-21T22:43:03Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T22:48:16Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-21T22:58:29Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-21T23:32:30Z f8l quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-21T23:33:40Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-21T23:34:07Z f8l joined #scheme
2018-09-21T23:34:15Z apexio15 joined #scheme
2018-09-21T23:34:45Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T23:35:18Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-21T23:37:46Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-21T23:42:34Z apexio15 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-21T23:44:18Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-21T23:53:06Z klovett quit
2018-09-21T23:58:06Z Enigmagic17 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:03:07Z Enigmagic17 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-22T00:05:33Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:14:48Z nordstrom quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T00:17:42Z nordstrom joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:19:33Z elxa joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:23:04Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:23:32Z elxa quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-22T00:29:33Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:42:08Z nordstrom left #scheme
2018-09-22T00:46:31Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:52:05Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:54:30Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-22T00:55:18Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-22T00:59:55Z klovett quit
2018-09-22T01:01:49Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T01:04:18Z daviid` joined #scheme
2018-09-22T01:05:27Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T01:10:26Z reashlin18 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T01:10:28Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-22T01:11:09Z reashlin18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T01:23:56Z terpri quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T01:28:16Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-22T01:39:05Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T01:59:21Z keep_learning quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T01:59:52Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T02:24:34Z irrenhaus3 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T02:28:35Z irrenhaus3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T02:32:07Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T02:36:15Z daviid` quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T02:45:11Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T02:49:06Z tcoppi15 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T02:51:18Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T02:51:36Z tcoppi15 quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-22T03:07:48Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-22T03:08:04Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-22T03:15:03Z Tomasu3 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T03:17:06Z jao quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-22T03:19:07Z Tomasu3 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T03:19:17Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-22T03:21:48Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T03:33:05Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T03:40:28Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T04:01:30Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T04:03:34Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-22T04:08:00Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T04:10:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T04:10:51Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T04:21:51Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-22T04:36:09Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T04:49:56Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T04:53:44Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T04:56:28Z lxpz29 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T05:02:01Z lxpz29 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T05:47:13Z mojo_x14 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T05:53:47Z mojo_x14 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T05:55:37Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T06:14:44Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:31:04Z j3kyl_` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-22T06:37:02Z Ikoru1 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:38:49Z Ikoru1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T06:49:57Z Mayoi joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:51:30Z Mayoi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T06:51:43Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-22T06:51:51Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:52:54Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T06:53:14Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:53:24Z segy8 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T06:58:34Z segy8 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-22T07:01:57Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-22T07:15:10Z thevishy joined #scheme
2018-09-22T07:26:05Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-22T07:49:12Z erkin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T07:52:39Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-22T07:53:07Z jp quit (Quit: https://ptpb.pw/~docrivers.gif)
2018-09-22T08:05:41Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:08:33Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T08:09:10Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:21:51Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:22:35Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:25:38Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:32:41Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-22T08:40:00Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-22T08:40:26Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:44:36Z ggole quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-22T08:44:57Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:46:42Z ggole quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-22T08:46:53Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:49:41Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-22T08:57:57Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T09:02:15Z dddh_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T09:03:38Z thevishy quit (Quit: thevishy)
2018-09-22T09:05:37Z dddh_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T09:06:34Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-22T09:10:03Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-22T09:22:55Z mejja quit
2018-09-22T09:54:51Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-22T10:04:51Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-22T10:18:12Z bkhl14 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T10:19:08Z bkhl14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T11:09:33Z x-warrior1 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T11:11:41Z x-warrior1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T12:10:34Z tom2973915 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T12:11:47Z Tmanyo-m joined #scheme
2018-09-22T12:14:30Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-22T12:15:09Z Tmanyo-m quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T12:20:06Z tom2973915 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T12:26:38Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-22T12:29:45Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T13:01:06Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T13:15:16Z pie_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T13:15:30Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T13:16:07Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-22T13:41:56Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-22T13:55:27Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-22T14:13:15Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T14:14:05Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T14:15:45Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T14:48:51Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T15:08:33Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T15:08:54Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T15:09:04Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-22T15:09:11Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T15:10:34Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-22T15:21:02Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-22T15:33:56Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T15:37:55Z svuorela15 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T15:41:13Z svuorela15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T15:55:05Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-22T15:58:48Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:14:01Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T16:24:01Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:27:41Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:38:32Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:48:43Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:54:58Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T16:55:16Z kjak_ left #scheme
2018-09-22T16:56:43Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T16:57:04Z mwelt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T16:57:50Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:03:48Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T17:04:27Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-22T17:05:34Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:10:09Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:10:22Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-22T17:13:58Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:15:49Z TheGreekOwl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-22T17:18:07Z lavaflow quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T17:20:31Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:22:50Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:23:25Z manjaro-mate joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:26:50Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-22T17:29:16Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:34:50Z manjaro-mate quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-22T17:35:34Z amz3 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-22T17:41:49Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:42:35Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:45:05Z Zipheir left #scheme
2018-09-22T17:45:16Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:52:49Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T17:53:08Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T17:53:36Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-22T18:04:02Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-22T18:06:58Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T18:08:21Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T18:12:52Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T18:16:45Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T18:26:16Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T18:31:38Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T18:35:05Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-22T18:35:16Z nilg quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-22T18:52:33Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-22T18:57:30Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:22:30Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T19:25:52Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:29:18Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:32:06Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-22T19:42:29Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:49:03Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T19:50:25Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:50:29Z bertschneider joined #scheme
2018-09-22T19:52:10Z bertschneider quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-22T19:59:08Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-22T20:09:04Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:09:10Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-22T20:10:14Z Techknight joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:13:27Z vabo joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:14:27Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:15:09Z Techknight quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T20:17:10Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-22T20:17:12Z ecraven: has anyone read The Little Typer yet?
2018-09-22T20:17:48Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:18:51Z vabo quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T20:24:10Z P1RATEZ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:26:41Z Zipheir: ecraven: Not yet, is it out of preorder yet?
2018-09-22T20:28:39Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:33:20Z thetemplar quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-22T20:35:55Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:38:45Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-22T20:43:02Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:49:55Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:50:23Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:51:10Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-22T20:51:36Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-22T20:54:46Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-22T20:57:41Z IstiCusi joined #scheme
2018-09-22T21:03:26Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-22T21:04:06Z IstiCusi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-22T21:10:36Z qu1j0t3: and Animals
2018-09-22T21:10:44Z qu1j0t3: oops
2018-09-22T21:10:49Z qu1j0t3: was scrolled WAY back
2018-09-22T21:23:12Z azl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T21:24:53Z azl_ quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-22T21:34:24Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T21:45:24Z yumh quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2018-09-22T21:45:56Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T21:48:11Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-22T21:48:41Z yumh quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-22T21:52:10Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-22T21:55:16Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-22T22:12:42Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T22:17:06Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T22:36:10Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-22T22:42:28Z nanthil_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T22:43:03Z jeroncic joined #scheme
2018-09-22T22:47:28Z nanthil_: o7 all
2018-09-22T22:47:38Z nanthil_: I'm having a problem with a problem in scheme
2018-09-22T22:48:23Z mwelt: hi, is there some more docu / example code on the thread system in chez scheme? I am looking for a kind of parallel for-each implementation, maybe someone knows some rtfm location for me?
2018-09-22T22:48:54Z nanthil_: working on paren balancing algorithm, and I couldn't figure out how to pass a symbol-list of ()()()()(())()( type lists, so I used string, but then strings aren't lists, so I convert them to lists, but then the list isn't a list of chars, so i try to convert them to chars, but there doesn't seem to be a direct method of simply converting to char...
2018-09-22T22:48:59Z nanthil_: and I'm getting exasperated
2018-09-22T22:49:09Z nanthil_: https://github.com/carkat/lisp-scheme-algos/blob/master/balanced_parens.ss
2018-09-22T22:49:20Z nanthil_: if anyone can give me a point in the right direction that'd be great
2018-09-22T22:51:04Z nanthil_: also i'm not sure if member is the right tool for what I'm trying to do
2018-09-22T22:51:52Z mwelt: > (string->list "(())")
2018-09-22T22:51:53Z mwelt: (#\( #\( #\) #\))
2018-09-22T22:51:55Z mwelt: ?
2018-09-22T22:52:08Z jeroncic quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-22T22:53:54Z nanthil_: that wasn't working on complex examples
2018-09-22T22:54:05Z nanthil_: i did "()()()(())((()))"
2018-09-22T22:54:15Z nanthil_: and ((())) was a single car of the list
2018-09-22T22:54:40Z nanthil_: i was getting ((())) is not an integer
2018-09-22T22:54:50Z nanthil_: which doesn't make a whole lot of sense
2018-09-22T22:55:34Z nanthil_: when I print (string->list ...) of that string I got: ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ( ) ) (((()))
2018-09-22T22:55:47Z nanthil_: which is pretty wierd
2018-09-22T22:55:59Z mwelt: chez 9.5:
2018-09-22T22:56:02Z mwelt: > (string->list "()()()(())((()))")
2018-09-22T22:56:02Z mwelt: (#\( #\) #\( #\) #\( #\) #\( #\( #\) #\) #\( #\( #\( #\) #\) #\))
2018-09-22T23:00:27Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-22T23:01:08Z nanthil_: what is the correct way to do default args in scheme?
2018-09-22T23:01:22Z nanthil_: (define (name a (b 0)) (+ a b)) doesn't work
2018-09-22T23:02:20Z mwelt: afaik there is no such thing as default args in scheme
2018-09-22T23:02:32Z nanthil_: tf
2018-09-22T23:03:17Z mwelt: but maybe you can take a look at case-lambda
2018-09-22T23:04:06Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Your implementation might have something better, but case-lambda would be the standard way to do it.
2018-09-22T23:04:14Z mwelt: https://www.scheme.com/tspl4/binding.html#./binding:h3
2018-09-22T23:05:11Z nanthil_: can nothing be simple...
2018-09-22T23:05:31Z mwelt: well actually it is simple, thats the whole philosophy behind scheme
2018-09-22T23:05:57Z mwelt: but if you'd like something easy maybe lisp isn't the way to start :)
2018-09-22T23:06:10Z nanthil_: who's "starting"
2018-09-22T23:08:34Z mwelt: well, maybe "start" was the wrong term, but I figured that you'd like something easy, if default args is something of your concern...
2018-09-22T23:08:37Z Zipheir: simple ≠ easy
2018-09-22T23:09:08Z mwelt: Zipheir: word!
2018-09-22T23:09:22Z mwelt: hickey if i am right...
2018-09-22T23:09:34Z Zipheir: A default args form is somewhat tricky to define on top of existing Scheme forms, actually.
2018-09-22T23:10:06Z nanthil_: (define (fn x (y 0)))
2018-09-22T23:10:10Z nanthil_: looks pretty simple and easy
2018-09-22T23:10:17Z nanthil_: at the _same time_
2018-09-22T23:10:19Z Zipheir: But it can be done using case-lambda.
2018-09-22T23:10:22Z nanthil_: sure
2018-09-22T23:10:23Z nanthil_: which
2018-09-22T23:10:24Z nanthil_: isn't simple
2018-09-22T23:10:35Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Yeah, now show me the macro that implements it.
2018-09-22T23:11:10Z nanthil_: well, I would if there was any sensible way to find information about scheme on the internet, but from where I'm sitting, I'm reading nothing but racket answers and incomplete documentation
2018-09-22T23:11:11Z nanthil_: so
2018-09-22T23:11:15Z nanthil_: if you know where I should be looking
2018-09-22T23:11:17Z nanthil_: please tell me
2018-09-22T23:11:33Z mwelt: https://www.scheme.com/tspl4/
2018-09-22T23:11:41Z mwelt: this is the whole language
2018-09-22T23:11:50Z mwelt: shouldn't be to hard to read
2018-09-22T23:11:54Z Zipheir: nanthil_: http://www.larcenists.org/Documentation/Documentation0.98/r7rs.pdf
2018-09-22T23:13:33Z Zipheir: mwelt: Actually, tspl is Chez-specific, and it doesn’t clearly indicate what parts are standard, IIRC.
2018-09-22T23:13:49Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/5cQ2TzGe
2018-09-22T23:13:51Z mwelt: Zipheir: do you know any code / documentation on the thread system in chez, which goes beyond the official cisco docu?
2018-09-22T23:13:55Z nanthil_: so this is both neat and cool
2018-09-22T23:14:08Z nanthil_: call test-balanced with nothing, displays
2018-09-22T23:14:10Z nanthil_: something
2018-09-22T23:14:14Z nanthil_: but when you call it with an argument?
2018-09-22T23:14:20Z nanthil_: (argument i passed)
2018-09-22T23:14:22Z Zipheir: mwelt: Nope, I don’t know much about Chez, sorry.
2018-09-22T23:14:24Z nanthil_: ...............?
2018-09-22T23:14:55Z nanthil_: what's the deuce is going on here?
2018-09-22T23:15:25Z mwelt: Zipheir: I was under the impression tspl4 is more or less r6rs, and anything chez specific is the cisco docu
2018-09-22T23:15:50Z nanthil_: any ideas?
2018-09-22T23:15:55Z Zipheir: mwelt: OK, maybe I got those mixed up.
2018-09-22T23:16:17Z mwelt: and there's srfi18, but i don't know a scheme which implemented these
2018-09-22T23:16:52Z Zipheir: nanthil_: (test-balanced "foo") should display ("foo").
2018-09-22T23:16:59Z mwelt: nanthil_: which scheme do you use?
2018-09-22T23:17:04Z mwelt: is this racket?
2018-09-22T23:17:06Z nanthil_: using petite
2018-09-22T23:17:30Z nanthil_: i'm confused by the difference between [ and( in racket
2018-09-22T23:17:44Z nanthil_: there doesn't seem to be rules
2018-09-22T23:17:58Z Zipheir: Sorry, display, so just (foo).
2018-09-22T23:18:05Z mwelt: there's no difference. the official scheme standard says, ( and [ can be used interchangeably
2018-09-22T23:18:29Z nanthil_: yes it does display (foo)
2018-09-22T23:18:39Z nanthil_: but if you call just (test-balanced)
2018-09-22T23:18:41Z nanthil_: it prints
2018-09-22T23:18:42Z nanthil_: something
2018-09-22T23:18:44Z Zipheir: mwelt: R7 un-specifies [ and ], but they're still reserved. So that's not standard scheme anymore.
2018-09-22T23:18:45Z nanthil_: not (something(
2018-09-22T23:19:05Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Do you know how dotted-tail syntax works?
2018-09-22T23:19:21Z nanthil_: i was under the impression they were optional
2018-09-22T23:19:24Z nanthil_: to the right
2018-09-22T23:20:27Z Zipheir: nanthil_: All the arguments to test-balanced are collected in a list.
2018-09-22T23:20:57Z Zipheir: nanthil_: If you don't want that, just write (define (test-balanced test-val) ...)
2018-09-22T23:21:07Z nanthil_: but then it isn't optional
2018-09-22T23:21:56Z Zipheir: nanthil_: So either let val = ("something") or use case-lambda.
2018-09-22T23:22:05Z nanthil_: oh good
2018-09-22T23:23:12Z nanthil_: ok
2018-09-22T23:23:14Z nanthil_: full stop
2018-09-22T23:23:21Z nanthil_: how would you recommend learning scheme
2018-09-22T23:23:53Z X-Scale: nanthil_: sicp
2018-09-22T23:23:56Z Zipheir: nanthil_: I started with TSPL, but I think the Little Schemer’s a lot of fun and gets to the core of things.
2018-09-22T23:24:12Z nanthil_: i've been through several lisp books
2018-09-22T23:24:16Z nanthil_: and I've tried going through sicp
2018-09-22T23:24:27Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Check the topic, there’s a bunch of resources.
2018-09-22T23:24:27Z nanthil_: I don't follow a lot of sicp because I don't have a mathematical background
2018-09-22T23:24:39Z nanthil_: what topic?
2018-09-22T23:24:46Z Zipheir: channel topic
2018-09-22T23:25:07Z mwelt: Zipheir: some links in the topic are dead afaik
2018-09-22T23:25:43Z nanthil_: all are down for me
2018-09-22T23:25:47Z nanthil_: all links
2018-09-22T23:26:25Z Zipheir: Wow, yeah.
2018-09-22T23:26:49Z Zipheir: I knew the SICP link was old, but... wow.
2018-09-22T23:27:20Z Zipheir: I’ll complain to Riastradh next time they’re around.
2018-09-22T23:28:16Z nanthil_: I've been at CL/scheme now for a few months
2018-09-22T23:28:39Z nanthil_: and I'm starting to dread using them. i get extremely exasperated by things that seem like they should work not working
2018-09-22T23:28:46Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T23:28:49Z nanthil_: for some reason that I'm unable to either intuit or find
2018-09-22T23:29:17Z nanthil_: and then I'm forced onto the irc where the answer is even more convoluted than I care to address when I'm already in the middle of trying to solve a different problem
2018-09-22T23:29:18Z Zipheir: nanthil_: What kind of things? I ask because that hasn’t been my experience with lisp in general.
2018-09-22T23:29:33Z Giomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-22T23:29:56Z nanthil_: like right now how the string->list isn't working for my input
2018-09-22T23:30:07Z nanthil_: ((())) isn't an integer
2018-09-22T23:30:09Z mwelt: I wonder which scheme you both are using.
2018-09-22T23:30:11Z nanthil_: the holy what?
2018-09-22T23:30:15Z nanthil_: petite
2018-09-22T23:30:18Z nanthil_: sudo apt install petite
2018-09-22T23:30:27Z mwelt: petite chez is quite old
2018-09-22T23:30:36Z mwelt: if it's petite chez
2018-09-22T23:30:57Z nanthil_: oh then there's that
2018-09-22T23:31:14Z nanthil_: it took me a month to figure out that clisp != common lisp
2018-09-22T23:31:31Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Doesn't string->list do what you wanted in that case?
2018-09-22T23:31:34Z nanthil_: and that there are several common lisp and that common lisp wasn't a language but a standard
2018-09-22T23:31:36Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-22T23:31:42Z Zipheir: nanthil_: ^^ the paren-balancing thing.
2018-09-22T23:31:45Z nanthil_: it does in the terminal
2018-09-22T23:31:52Z nanthil_: in the repl
2018-09-22T23:31:55Z nanthil_: but it doesn't from code
2018-09-22T23:32:27Z mwelt: nanthil_: as well as CL scheme is also a language standard, with one million implementations :)
2018-09-22T23:32:34Z nanthil_: eah
2018-09-22T23:32:35Z nanthil_: yeah
2018-09-22T23:32:56Z nanthil_: i mean, that took me a month of floundering on the internet because it isn't clear what I'm supposed to be looking at for information about anything
2018-09-22T23:33:04Z Zipheir: rudybot: eval (string->list "()()()(())((()))")
2018-09-22T23:33:17Z rudybot: Zipheir: error: with-limit: out of time
2018-09-22T23:33:22Z mwelt: ^^
2018-09-22T23:33:22Z nanthil_: :(
2018-09-22T23:33:40Z Zipheir: rudybot: Incompetence!
2018-09-22T23:33:40Z rudybot: Zipheir: I'm not sure that the document is trustworthy, but it has the right sheen of incompetence.
2018-09-22T23:33:41Z mwelt: nanthil_: did you take a look at clojure?
2018-09-22T23:33:47Z nanthil_: yes
2018-09-22T23:33:52Z nanthil_: again with the [
2018-09-22T23:33:59Z nanthil_: and the jvm
2018-09-22T23:35:53Z mwelt: yeah clojure is somewhat "special" in syntax, but very well documented, big comunity (not in IRC sadly only in slack) and with a f*ck ton of libraries
2018-09-22T23:35:55Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Chez is really well-documented, that’s surprising.
2018-09-22T23:36:21Z nanthil_: yeah
2018-09-22T23:36:30Z mwelt: Zipheir: not when it comes to threading...try to implement some kind of parallel map
2018-09-22T23:36:37Z nanthil_: and like ^3 more projects than scheme or lisp
2018-09-22T23:36:42Z mwelt: but my first try is hundret times slower
2018-09-22T23:37:01Z mwelt: hundred
2018-09-22T23:37:40Z Zipheir: There’s always Haskell :)
2018-09-22T23:38:13Z mwelt: CL as well as Chez was to long proprietary, so there's no real open comunity, because every library was costing a lot of money
2018-09-22T23:38:40Z mwelt: haskell is for the ivory tower people only ^^
2018-09-22T23:38:45Z Zipheir: mwelt: There’s a pretty big CL community here of freenode.
2018-09-22T23:38:50Z Zipheir: s/of/on/
2018-09-22T23:39:27Z mwelt: Zipheir: shure but nothing in comparison to other -from the first day on- foss projects
2018-09-22T23:39:45Z aeth: The CL community is normally more popular than the Scheme community on Freenode. It seems a bit even right now, but that's probably because it's September.
2018-09-22T23:41:03Z mwelt: well, the overall rate of IRC users is declining for years...sadly everyone uses a full blown browser these days to "chat"...I don't like slack
2018-09-22T23:41:29Z Zipheir: Yeah, screw slack.
2018-09-22T23:42:04Z aeth: Freenode is mostly immune to the decline. Most FOSS games moved to Discord, though, and their channels are mostly a Discord bridge bot. That's unfortunate.
2018-09-22T23:42:22Z mwelt: never heard of discord
2018-09-22T23:42:33Z aeth: It's Slack, but for the gaming niche
2018-09-22T23:42:41Z mwelt: ah i c
2018-09-22T23:42:56Z aeth: It also competes with e.g. Teamspeak/Mumble/etc. that were more relevant back when games didn't have integrated voice chat.
2018-09-22T23:42:57Z Zipheir: Slack with a horrible horrible privacy policy.
2018-09-22T23:43:38Z mwelt: I read until "is a proprietary freeware voice-over-Internet protocol"
2018-09-22T23:44:20Z Zipheir: mwelt: Any sane person should stop reading there :-)
2018-09-22T23:44:21Z X-Scale: Also add Matrix to that web nightmare. It has a giant spec for starters.
2018-09-22T23:44:45Z Zipheir: X-Scale: Matrix is not evil, but yeah, that spec O_O
2018-09-22T23:46:41Z mwelt: is there anyone here working / studying at a university / college, which uses / allows lisp?
2018-09-22T23:49:10Z nanthil_: well, its working now
2018-09-22T23:49:58Z mwelt: grats ^^
2018-09-22T23:50:06Z nanthil_: discord is like a chatroom integrated into vent or ts
2018-09-22T23:50:16Z nanthil_: with skype but no video
2018-09-22T23:53:36Z nanthil_: i lied
2018-09-22T23:55:12Z Giomancer: It's hard to find places to ask SICP/Scheme questions. IRC is my best choice.
2018-09-22T23:56:18Z nanthil_: tru that
2018-09-22T23:57:48Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-22T23:58:30Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-22T23:59:09Z mwelt: whats the difference between: (define (foo x) (+ x x)) and (define foo (lambda (x) (+ x x))) ?
2018-09-22T23:59:48Z Zipheir: Nothing.
2018-09-23T00:00:22Z Zipheir: The (define (<name> <arg1> .. <argn>) ...) is just syntactic sugar.
2018-09-23T00:00:34Z Zipheir: That form, I mean.
2018-09-23T00:01:03Z mwelt: ok :)
2018-09-23T00:01:15Z Zipheir: Some schemers refuse to use the "defun syntax", since Scheme, after all, took all defun out of lisp.
2018-09-23T00:01:40Z mwelt: defun is the first one?
2018-09-23T00:02:08Z Zipheir: Yeah.
2018-09-23T00:02:32Z Zipheir: As far as I can tell, everyone uses defun syntax except Dybvig and his disciples.
2018-09-23T00:04:22Z mwelt: and me ^^ never heard of it until now
2018-09-23T00:10:14Z Zipheir: mwelt: c.f. https://www.scheme.com/tspl4/start.html#./start:h6 and scroll down a bit, Dybvig talks about defun syntax.
2018-09-23T00:10:27Z Zipheir: "Although it is shorter, it tends to mask the reality that procedures are not intimately tied to variables, or names, as they are in many other languages."
2018-09-23T00:11:22Z Zipheir: Good point, but, sorry Kent, no-one else cares.
2018-09-23T00:12:06Z mwelt: ^^
2018-09-23T00:12:22Z LazyGnoll10 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T00:12:36Z mwelt: I actually missed that part and so I accidentally became one of his disciples ^^
2018-09-23T00:14:15Z Giomancer: I'm working my way through SICP so lambda hasn't actually shown up yet. =P
2018-09-23T00:15:37Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-23T00:16:18Z Zipheir: Giomancer: Good for you, SICP is a great journey.
2018-09-23T00:16:28Z LazyGnoll10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T00:18:02Z mwelt: didn't read sicp yet
2018-09-23T00:21:41Z Giomancer: mwelt: I'm starting programming from the ground up; you seem a lot more experienced than me. xD
2018-09-23T00:29:52Z solexious14 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T00:30:21Z nanthil_: docstrings
2018-09-23T00:30:28Z nanthil_: what is the right way in scheme?
2018-09-23T00:31:34Z Zipheir: According to Scheme the right way is no docstrings. :)
2018-09-23T00:31:40Z nanthil_: :(
2018-09-23T00:31:59Z Zipheir: There was a long discussion on here about this recently.
2018-09-23T00:32:02Z mwelt: Giomancer: tough language to begin with :)
2018-09-23T00:32:26Z solexious14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T00:32:26Z Zipheir: mwelt: What, Scheme? Scheme is an easy first language.
2018-09-23T00:32:45Z mwelt: Zipheir: I mean lisp in general
2018-09-23T00:36:25Z Zipheir: mwelt: Lisp is pretty damn simple.
2018-09-23T00:37:43Z nanthil_: https://github.com/carkat/lisp-scheme-algos/blob/master/balanced_parens.ss
2018-09-23T00:37:47Z nanthil_: can I get a code review of that?
2018-09-23T00:38:38Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-23T00:38:55Z Zipheir: mwelt: At least in scheme, the basics are really just function definition and application. Quotation has some very weird implications, but IMO most new programmers wouldn’t need to worry about them.
2018-09-23T00:39:56Z nanthil_: anything and everything
2018-09-23T00:40:06Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-23T00:40:07Z nanthil_: organization, structure, what-have-you
2018-09-23T00:40:30Z nanthil_: are there keyword args in scheme?
2018-09-23T00:42:24Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Looks good, although I just skimmed it. You could get rid of the let in types-match?, since correct-match is only used once.
2018-09-23T00:42:40Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Some implementations provide them.
2018-09-23T00:43:17Z Giomancer: As far as languages go, I've tried C, Java, and Scheme; I loved C but I can only do simple things because I never really studied. I hated Java because it wants things done its way (layers of directories, for example). I spent much of my time circumventing the compiler so I could lay out my source the way I wanted to.
2018-09-23T00:43:27Z nanthil_: separating that out was mainly because I found the nested if as the else of the previous if was particularly difficult to look at
2018-09-23T00:43:47Z nanthil_: same with balance-check
2018-09-23T00:44:15Z nanthil_: you should hate java for many other reasons
2018-09-23T00:44:26Z nanthil_: learn APL and you won't be able to stomach the sight of it
2018-09-23T00:44:36Z Zipheir: nanthil_: What's with the (let ((open #t)) ...) in balanced? ?
2018-09-23T00:44:42Z nanthil_: i need a doggie bag reading most java style code, c# included
2018-09-23T00:45:05Z nanthil_: that's from an old edit
2018-09-23T00:45:08Z nanthil_: need to edit it out :P
2018-09-23T00:46:26Z Zipheir: In the US, at least, Java seems to be the favored way to torture^H^H^H^H teach new programmers.
2018-09-23T00:46:35Z mwelt: Giomancer: the directory structure in java is intended by maven / gradle and their convention-over-configuration mantra...but it's not java :)
2018-09-23T00:47:45Z mwelt: Zipheir: same here, and every where else in western world. it's pretty much industry standard and there's a high chance, that java will be your bread and butter language if you are going to make a good living as a software dev
2018-09-23T00:48:16Z Giomancer: mwelt: true, it just felt so.. ingrained.
2018-09-23T00:49:13Z mwelt: I would give kotlin a try
2018-09-23T00:49:24Z mwelt: it's "a better java"
2018-09-23T00:50:07Z mwelt: I would love to code lisp for a living, but actually there are no jobs what so ever
2018-09-23T00:50:38Z dstzz joined #scheme
2018-09-23T00:51:31Z dstzz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T00:51:33Z Zipheir: mwelt: I personally know at least one person with a job writing Clojure.
2018-09-23T00:52:10Z mwelt: I was offered a clojure job once in London UK
2018-09-23T00:52:26Z mwelt: but I wasn't keen on moving to the most expensive city in europe
2018-09-23T00:54:11Z Zipheir: Yeah, that sounds like a trade-off.
2018-09-23T00:54:25Z nanthil_: I would learn java and C# equally to a moderate level
2018-09-23T00:54:35Z nanthil_: depending on the region of the country you'll get good opportunities for both
2018-09-23T00:54:45Z Zipheir: Ahem, "the most expensive city formerly in Europe".
2018-09-23T00:54:48Z nanthil_: but while you're making your money learn what you want and then target jobs doing that
2018-09-23T00:55:27Z nanthil_: the only thing that sucks about C# is you'll have less an opportunity to get cross-domain knowledge because of the stifling windows environment
2018-09-23T00:55:46Z nanthil_: they tend to pay more at the entry than java jobs, at least the ones I've spoken with
2018-09-23T00:55:52Z mwelt: Zipheir: patience :)
2018-09-23T00:56:04Z nanthil_: but c# you won't get any linux experince
2018-09-23T00:56:11Z nanthil_: because most windows devs are intimidated by cli
2018-09-23T00:56:44Z nanthil_: and you run the risk of being put on classic asp tasks which won't get you anywhere in your career
2018-09-23T00:56:56Z mwelt: and you stuck with this pain in the arse ide VS
2018-09-23T00:57:17Z nanthil_: i'll take 2017 pro over any java ide
2018-09-23T00:57:24Z nanthil_: it's changed a lot from what it was
2018-09-23T00:57:37Z nanthil_: I use vscode anyway
2018-09-23T00:57:49Z mwelt: no vim mode no play
2018-09-23T00:57:55Z nanthil_: yes
2018-09-23T00:57:57Z nanthil_: for both
2018-09-23T00:58:05Z nanthil_: vim mode for VS and vscode
2018-09-23T00:58:20Z nanthil_: but I've become a staunch emacs advocate after picking up lisp
2018-09-23T00:58:31Z nanthil_: evil mode ftw
2018-09-23T00:59:03Z mwelt: don't like the stiff pinky on the thousands of double keystrokes :)
2018-09-23T00:59:20Z nanthil_: remap those
2018-09-23T00:59:22Z Giomancer: I use nano?
2018-09-23T00:59:30Z nanthil_: the only one I use is M-x really
2018-09-23T00:59:44Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-23T00:59:49Z nanthil_: nano is not even part of the discussion
2018-09-23T00:59:53Z Giomancer: lol
2018-09-23T01:00:18Z mwelt: i am so used to vanilla vim keybindings, that anything else would make me look like a three year old trying to drive a car through rushhour ...
2018-09-23T01:00:18Z nanthil_: you haven't lived until you have auto-indentation, formatting, and even text replacement customized to your hearts content
2018-09-23T01:00:33Z nanthil_: evil-mode in emacs is vanilla vim keybindings
2018-09-23T01:00:43Z nanthil_: its just that there are additional ones on top
2018-09-23T01:00:59Z mwelt: ok maybe i'll give it a try :)
2018-09-23T01:01:14Z nanthil_: its worth it
2018-09-23T01:01:20Z nanthil_: especially with slime and run-python
2018-09-23T01:01:32Z mwelt: nano actually has syntaxhighlighting afaik
2018-09-23T01:01:40Z nanthil_: having a repl that you can pass your code directly to is the mugger farthing bomb
2018-09-23T01:02:01Z mwelt: i use something like tmux
2018-09-23T01:02:11Z Giomancer: It's pretty minimal, though.
2018-09-23T01:02:13Z mwelt: but it's actually kitty term
2018-09-23T01:02:32Z Zipheir: nanthil_: mugger farthing bomb?
2018-09-23T01:02:33Z nanthil_: scheme slime isn't working for me
2018-09-23T01:02:35Z nanthil_: which is sad
2018-09-23T01:02:48Z nanthil_:  Exception in compile: compile package is not loaded   Type (debug) to enter the debugger.
2018-09-23T01:02:52Z nanthil_: whatever that means
2018-09-23T01:03:10Z mwelt: that means your repl is working ^^
2018-09-23T01:03:20Z nanthil_: Zipheir: you got a mother fathering problem? Shut the fun.
2018-09-23T01:03:23Z mwelt: chez has got a really good debugger
2018-09-23T01:03:29Z Zipheir: nanthil_: Noted.
2018-09-23T01:03:32Z nanthil_: my decls aren't there
2018-09-23T01:03:59Z Giomancer: Zepheir: yeah, that took me a second too
2018-09-23T01:04:10Z Giomancer: Zip, even.
2018-09-23T01:04:33Z nanthil_: I got my code working, but I don't have the motivation to continue writing today
2018-09-23T01:04:42Z nanthil_: tests working is a good time to stop I think
2018-09-23T01:04:49Z Zipheir: I thought it was some really obscure piece of British Isles slang or something...
2018-09-23T01:05:28Z daviid: nanthil_: geiser is your friend, if you use racket, guile (and possibly other scheme by now)
2018-09-23T01:05:30Z nanthil_: is there a way to make scheme a script?
2018-09-23T01:05:42Z nanthil_: i don't us racket
2018-09-23T01:06:03Z nanthil_: I probably should the documentation looks inspired
2018-09-23T01:06:20Z daviid: nanthil_: guile has optional and optional keyword rgs as well (refering to erlier chat entries ...
2018-09-23T01:06:25Z nanthil_: but I'm rather tired of relearning the beginning of lisp stuff
2018-09-23T01:06:49Z nanthil_: if I could work myself around some of the nonsense anachronisms in CL i'd stick with CL
2018-09-23T01:07:02Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T01:07:04Z nanthil_: I very prefer having the format macro
2018-09-23T01:07:10Z nanthil_: it's glorious
2018-09-23T01:07:12Z nanthil_: and brilliant
2018-09-23T01:07:27Z nanthil_: possibly the best text formatter every devised for any language of all time
2018-09-23T01:07:57Z nanthil_: but unfortunately I keep running into so much unexpected behavior it's drying my motivation
2018-09-23T01:08:10Z nanthil_: which is why I switched to trying some problems in scheme
2018-09-23T01:08:23Z daviid: nanthil_: also, kawa is a ton better then clojure, but 'marketing' did make it sound the opoite, as usual ...
2018-09-23T01:08:24Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T01:08:58Z nanthil_: what is kawa?
2018-09-23T01:09:14Z nanthil_: kawa wookie?
2018-09-23T01:09:28Z daviid: https://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/pt01.html
2018-09-23T01:09:33Z nanthil_: OOO-HOO-HOOO...
2018-09-23T01:09:50Z Giomancer: +1 for obscure... before the laugh
2018-09-23T01:09:55Z Giomancer: :D
2018-09-23T01:09:59Z nanthil_: :P
2018-09-23T01:10:40Z nanthil_: here's the thing. I need a sme on this
2018-09-23T01:10:44Z nanthil_: racket vs normal scheme
2018-09-23T01:11:07Z nanthil_: what is the conceptual difference? as in, for the author, when writing, what is the root difference
2018-09-23T01:11:31Z nanthil_: it looks like there is some [][][][] syntax all up in there that I don't really get
2018-09-23T01:11:44Z Zipheir: Standard Scheme is one of several languages implemented by Racket.
2018-09-23T01:11:55Z nanthil_: and I'm tired of learning new langauges. i just wanted to learn one, why do we need 90000000000
2018-09-23T01:11:59Z nanthil_: which is > 9000
2018-09-23T01:12:21Z nanthil_: so racket is a fusion of languages?
2018-09-23T01:12:30Z nanthil_: which means what
2018-09-23T01:12:49Z nanthil_: why should I learn racket > some other scheme
2018-09-23T01:12:53Z mwelt: is kawa still in development?
2018-09-23T01:12:55Z nanthil_: chez is supposed to be fast I guess?
2018-09-23T01:12:59Z mwelt: if so it looks great ^^
2018-09-23T01:13:12Z daviid: mwelt: mre then ever
2018-09-23T01:13:13Z nanthil_: but then its licensed?
2018-09-23T01:13:31Z Zipheir: nanthil_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket_(programming_language)#Features
2018-09-23T01:13:42Z Zipheir: nanthil_: ^^ explains the situation better than I would.
2018-09-23T01:14:03Z mwelt: afaik racket is an environment for developing different languages, scheme is one of them
2018-09-23T01:14:17Z mwelt: and i heard the want to migrate the racket core to chez
2018-09-23T01:14:31Z mwelt: s/the/they
2018-09-23T01:14:59Z Zipheir: mwelt: Indeed, the upcoming version 7 is "built on top of Chez", per Wikipedia.
2018-09-23T01:23:17Z nanthil_: :O
2018-09-23T01:23:21Z nanthil_: >:O
2018-09-23T01:23:26Z nanthil_: > >:o
2018-09-23T01:26:12Z mwelt: why is there all clojure no kawa
2018-09-23T01:27:30Z bsmt27 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T01:27:36Z Zipheir: Odd, especially since Clojure is a NIH project that is neither Scheme-like nor CL-like.
2018-09-23T01:28:07Z bsmt27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T01:34:32Z daviid: mwelt: marketing and ignorance
2018-09-23T01:35:28Z P1RATEZ quit
2018-09-23T01:37:48Z aeth: on the other hand, if you base your language on hype, your language is going to peak and then decline. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=clojure
2018-09-23T01:38:25Z aeth: before 2014, when Clojure was still growing on Google Trends, you would never hear the end of Clojure
2018-09-23T01:38:37Z aeth: People would come into #lisp and ask about Clojure etc.
2018-09-23T01:38:41Z mwelt: this hype brought me to lisp, but the search for a clean language lead me here eventually
2018-09-23T01:39:35Z aeth: clojure tied itself too heavily to dynamic typing so it lost all of the hype once advanced static type systems became the new thing
2018-09-23T01:40:05Z aeth: Now even Python and Clojure have some degree of gradual typing.
2018-09-23T01:41:21Z aeth: on the topic of type hype... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=clojure,typescript
2018-09-23T01:41:54Z aeth: It looks like Finland hates static typing, though
2018-09-23T01:44:07Z mwelt: angular version 1000
2018-09-23T01:44:58Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-23T01:45:38Z nanthil_: so hey
2018-09-23T01:46:13Z nanthil_: I'm failing to see how scheme is so expressive when I can write code like this
2018-09-23T01:46:13Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/hibq6JzS
2018-09-23T01:47:18Z aeth: what happened to JavaScript
2018-09-23T01:47:28Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/QYMewj5f
2018-09-23T01:48:15Z aeth: I recognize that as JavaScript, and I'm sure it's probably the new idiomatic but... wow. (most of my JS experience was 6 years ago)
2018-09-23T01:49:13Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/7VMeVBcs
2018-09-23T01:49:18Z nanthil_: damn that had a few bugs
2018-09-23T01:49:45Z daviid: unreadable, probably full of bugs, :) and surely replaced by a few nice and clean lines of scheme code
2018-09-23T01:50:24Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/zEcqZLL6
2018-09-23T01:50:31Z nanthil_: i really should have edited that before sending it first
2018-09-23T01:50:48Z nanthil_: daviid: https://github.com/carkat/lisp-scheme-algos/blob/master/balanced_parens.ss
2018-09-23T01:50:50Z nanthil_: same code
2018-09-23T01:51:02Z nanthil_: also look at the last paste
2018-09-23T01:51:04Z nanthil_: less ugly
2018-09-23T01:52:25Z nanthil_: i'd be interested to see if someone could make my scheme more idiomatic
2018-09-23T01:53:49Z nanthil_: https://pastebin.com/AxyzNBYB
2018-09-23T01:53:52Z nanthil_: fuck there was one last editing bug
2018-09-23T01:54:00Z nanthil_: there were no bugs before I paste binned it
2018-09-23T01:54:07Z nanthil_: now it works, copy pasta into your browser
2018-09-23T01:56:56Z nanthil_: try it with strings of open close brackets
2018-09-23T01:57:00Z nanthil_: ({)})())}(}
2018-09-23T01:57:01Z nanthil_: like so
2018-09-23T02:04:05Z nanthil_: ?
2018-09-23T02:05:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:08:47Z nanthil_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-23T02:15:42Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:21:52Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:27:29Z Guest45402 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:29:02Z Guest45402 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T02:33:54Z vigilant26 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:37:40Z Zipheir: Seems like that whole mess could be replaced by a couple of +/- counters and a recursion...
2018-09-23T02:37:48Z Zipheir: Oh, nanthil_'s gone.
2018-09-23T02:40:15Z siraben: Oh hi
2018-09-23T02:40:47Z Zipheir: o/
2018-09-23T02:41:33Z siraben: Zipheir: Got a basic REPL working :)
2018-09-23T02:41:49Z Zipheir: siraben: In... forth?
2018-09-23T02:41:57Z siraben: It's nice to begin to use the calculator as a computer
2018-09-23T02:42:05Z siraben: Zipheir: Defined in ASM, reads Forth, yes.
2018-09-23T02:42:15Z Zipheir: Very nice.
2018-09-23T02:42:26Z siraben: Zipheir: added screenshots to https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth , but still some work to be done on reading input
2018-09-23T02:42:29Z vigilant26 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-23T02:43:39Z Zipheir: siraben: Cool, how do you get screenshots from a TI?
2018-09-23T02:43:48Z siraben: Zipheir: From the TI-connect app
2018-09-23T02:44:03Z Zipheir: siraben: Ah.
2018-09-23T02:44:21Z siraben: Zipheir: As a very ad-hoc solution I can't read numbers yet but manually added 0-10 inclusive
2018-09-23T02:46:47Z Zipheir: siraben: It’s a promising project for practical reasons, i.e. a Forth would be a really useful thing to have on a calculator.
2018-09-23T02:47:19Z Zipheir: siraben: Although, of course, probably disallowed in most academic contexts.
2018-09-23T02:47:22Z siraben: Zipheir: My thoughts exactly.
2018-09-23T02:47:29Z siraben: Well the first statement^
2018-09-23T02:47:31Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T02:47:45Z siraben: And yes, probably disallowed in academic contexts but AFAIK there are no rules on programs on calculators
2018-09-23T02:49:37Z siraben: Zipheir: Ah a lot of work has been going into the newer models
2018-09-23T02:49:38Z siraben: https://www.ticalc.org/
2018-09-23T02:49:56Z siraben: Faster devices, has color, etc. makes sense
2018-09-23T02:52:31Z Zipheir: Fun site.
2018-09-23T02:53:36Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:53:48Z siraben: Zipheir: Can't get flashing to work?
2018-09-23T02:55:10Z Zipheir: siraben: Flashing?
2018-09-23T02:55:30Z siraben: From your computer to your calculator
2018-09-23T02:55:59Z Zipheir: Nah, not yet. As stated, there aren’t any MS or OS X boxes around here.
2018-09-23T02:56:06Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-23T02:56:13Z Zipheir: At some point I may give it a shot with wine o_O
2018-09-23T02:56:29Z siraben: Maybe VirtualBox would do it?
2018-09-23T02:56:33Z siraben: It can interface with USB
2018-09-23T02:58:47Z Zipheir: Here’s an interesting question. If you’ve got a prover that only accepts one-way laws (i.e. it's not relational), what’s more useful:
2018-09-23T02:59:22Z Zipheir: (map f (map g xs)) → (map (o f g) xs) or the reverse?
2018-09-23T02:59:34Z Zipheir: (where o is composition, ∘)
2018-09-23T03:00:02Z Zipheir: Similarly, id → map id, or map id → id?
2018-09-23T03:01:01Z siraben: Hmm
2018-09-23T03:01:25Z siraben: Proving (map (o f g) xs) -> (map f (map g xs)) would be like proving you can "factor" out composition with respect to map, probably harder.
2018-09-23T03:03:19Z Zipheir: I’m thinking map id → id and (map f (map g ...)) → (map (o f g) ...), since they reduce the size of the tree representing the expression.
2018-09-23T03:03:47Z siraben: I've always wanted to learn Coq and prove some theorems
2018-09-23T03:03:59Z siraben: ^about functional programs
2018-09-23T03:04:34Z Zipheir is reminded to add The Little Prover to the book queue.
2018-09-23T03:05:05Z siraben: Hey I saw it on the front page of Hacker News today.
2018-09-23T03:05:38Z qu1j0t3: what does that prove
2018-09-23T03:06:10Z siraben: I mean the little typer
2018-09-23T03:06:26Z siraben: Nothing, just reminded of it.
2018-09-23T03:06:30Z Zipheir: Right, I think that was released today?
2018-09-23T03:07:05Z Zipheir: Nope, last week.
2018-09-23T03:07:15Z Zipheir: Ouch, $30+.
2018-09-23T03:08:31Z siraben: Yeah.  More expensive than GEB.
2018-09-23T03:08:39Z siraben: (not that the two are comparable)
2018-09-23T03:15:54Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T03:16:34Z qu1j0t3: siraben: Was trying to make a joke. Also hi
2018-09-23T03:16:44Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Hi
2018-09-23T03:19:53Z Zipheir: siraben: BTW, you know that those were the functor laws I was talking about above, right?
2018-09-23T03:20:38Z siraben: Zipheir: Yes of course, looks familiar.
2018-09-23T03:20:45Z siraben: fmap
2018-09-23T03:21:39Z Zipheir: Sure. It’s weird to express them in Lisp, since there’s no standard compose function.
2018-09-23T03:21:45Z Zipheir: (CHICKEN uses o)
2018-09-23T03:23:50Z siraben: Hey there's always (define (compose f g) (lambda (x) (g (f x))))
2018-09-23T03:24:04Z siraben: Or should it be (f (g x))
2018-09-23T03:25:21Z init_621 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:26:07Z Zipheir: I don’t think it’s possible to write a generalized compose in Scheme, though.
2018-09-23T03:26:11Z Zipheir: (without apply)
2018-09-23T03:26:21Z Zipheir: (which might blow up)
2018-09-23T03:27:22Z nanthil joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:27:41Z nanthil: o7
2018-09-23T03:28:06Z init_621 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T03:29:11Z siraben: Generalized compose?
2018-09-23T03:29:13Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-23T03:29:28Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:29:38Z Zipheir: siraben: Like in Haskell.
2018-09-23T03:29:45Z siraben: Oh by the way, how would I write "mzero" in Scheme whose behavior changes based on the monad currently being used?
2018-09-23T03:30:11Z siraben: e.g. mzero for lists = (), mzero for streams = empty stream
2018-09-23T03:30:53Z Zipheir: siraben: Right. You need Scheme’s version of typeclasses.
2018-09-23T03:30:56Z siraben: Right.
2018-09-23T03:31:53Z Zipheir: siraben: Check out SRFI-128. It basically implements the Eq and Ord typeclasses https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-128/srfi-128.html
2018-09-23T03:32:38Z Zipheir: siraben: The same pattern works nicely for monads and monoids, i.e. you pass a 'bundle' which determines what function to call.
2018-09-23T03:33:31Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T03:33:37Z Zipheir: siraben: This is a quick summary https://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/srfi-128
2018-09-23T03:34:00Z siraben: Zipheir: Confusingly named like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparator
2018-09-23T03:34:27Z Zipheir: Hah, yeah.
2018-09-23T03:34:40Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-23T03:36:27Z Zipheir: siraben: So you could define a magic-monoid-mushroom bundle and have something like (mzero <mushroom> object1) and get the appropriate mzero.
2018-09-23T03:37:19Z Zipheir: siraben: ditto: (mappend <mushroom> list1 list2) ≡ (append list1 list2)
2018-09-23T03:37:32Z siraben: But you need to provide the <mushroom> parameter?
2018-09-23T03:37:34Z siraben: It can't infer?
2018-09-23T03:39:01Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:39:47Z Zipheir: I suppose you could hide it with a macro.
2018-09-23T03:41:37Z siraben: Solving the world's problems with macros is a bad idea!
2018-09-23T03:41:42Z Zipheir: :-)
2018-09-23T03:41:49Z siraben: How do you pronounce <$> ?
2018-09-23T03:41:59Z siraben: Haskell should come with a pronunciation guide
2018-09-23T03:42:11Z Zipheir: Yeah, including the bundle in the call is not too ugly.
2018-09-23T03:42:29Z Zipheir: I think I just say 'fmap'
2018-09-23T03:42:33Z siraben: >>= >=> <> <$> . <*> etc.
2018-09-23T03:42:46Z Zipheir: Because '<*>' is 'ap' and $ is apply...
2018-09-23T03:42:49Z siraben: So, bind, fish, ?, fmap, compose, ?
2018-09-23T03:44:15Z Zipheir: Land of Lisp has --<<+>>-- as a symbol, to show what weird symbols you can have, and I immediately thought "what operator is that???" and then realized I wasn’t reading Haskell.
2018-09-23T03:44:33Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:44:43Z Zipheir: And of course --<<+>>-- isn’t an operator, it’s a comment.
2018-09-23T03:45:11Z siraben: Apparently in CL you can modify the syntax of the language?
2018-09-23T03:45:18Z gwatt: yup. reader macros
2018-09-23T03:45:23Z siraben: add *gasp* infix if you wanted
2018-09-23T03:45:30Z Zipheir: Yeah.
2018-09-23T03:47:55Z siraben: Zipheir: Do you write in other imperative languages as well?
2018-09-23T03:47:59Z siraben: Other than Haskell, Scheme et al.
2018-09-23T03:49:40Z nanthil: wait does that mean you can't in scheme?
2018-09-23T03:49:51Z siraben: Technically yes, also in CL
2018-09-23T03:50:03Z siraben: But *imperative* imperative, like C
2018-09-23T03:50:32Z nanthil: why technically yes
2018-09-23T03:50:39Z aeth: Is C really imperative? The compiler can seemingly do whatever it wants with the code in the name of optimizations.
2018-09-23T03:50:54Z aeth: I guess it's semi-disobedient imperative.
2018-09-23T03:50:56Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T03:51:10Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-23T03:51:59Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-23T03:52:16Z siraben: A good compiler is a good compiler.
2018-09-23T03:52:27Z Zipheir: siraben: I’m a reformed C programmer. I still use it at times. I’ve had to learn some Lua recently.
2018-09-23T03:53:38Z Zipheir: aeth: Damn, there’s a hilarious post about how the CPP is a functional language and I can’t find it...
2018-09-23T03:54:06Z siraben: The CPP preprocessor is a pure functional language, apparently.
2018-09-23T03:54:14Z siraben: With template metaprogramming
2018-09-23T03:54:57Z siraben: Zipheir: that book, "Category Theory for Programmers" is probably the only book to explain category theory with examples in Haskell AND C++
2018-09-23T03:55:22Z Zipheir: nanthil: You can totally do imperative programming in Scheme. It’s not very commonly seen, because it’s fairly inexpressive.
2018-09-23T03:55:34Z Zipheir: siraben: C++???
2018-09-23T03:55:39Z siraben: Yes!
2018-09-23T03:55:41Z nanthil: no no
2018-09-23T03:55:49Z nanthil: he said in CL you can modify the syntax of the language
2018-09-23T03:55:53Z nanthil: that's what I'm asking about
2018-09-23T03:55:54Z Zipheir: siraben: Wow.
2018-09-23T03:56:25Z Zipheir: nanthil: Oh. Nope, no reader macros in Scheme.
2018-09-23T03:56:30Z siraben: Zipheir: https://bartoszmilewski.com/2014/12/23/kleisli-categories/
2018-09-23T03:56:36Z nanthil: :O
2018-09-23T03:56:40Z nanthil: X(
2018-09-23T03:56:46Z nanthil: y
2018-09-23T03:56:55Z siraben: You can write a compose "function" in C++ with auto const compose = [](auto m1, auto m2) ...
2018-09-23T03:56:57Z Zipheir: Reader macros are bonkers. You’ll thank the language later.
2018-09-23T03:57:05Z nanthil: no
2018-09-23T03:57:07Z siraben: So reader macros change how the reader works?
2018-09-23T03:57:18Z nanthil: i won't. monk.
2018-09-23T03:57:34Z Zipheir: siraben: Yes.
2018-09-23T03:57:59Z Zipheir: siraben: And as jcowan pointed out, this is a problem because the scope of reader macros is very unclear.
2018-09-23T03:58:06Z nanthil: why would I want to have less things
2018-09-23T03:58:14Z Zipheir: Because less is more?
2018-09-23T03:58:38Z nanthil: but more is also more
2018-09-23T03:58:39Z nanthil: at the same time
2018-09-23T03:58:42Z siraben: Zipheir: Forth allows the user to change the language's syntax heavily
2018-09-23T03:59:13Z siraben: There's no formal grammar, but you would add comments ( starting with open paren and closing like this ) in Forth if you wanted
2018-09-23T03:59:25Z Zipheir: https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentially-more.html <-- Good post for a world-class jackass :)
2018-09-23T04:00:06Z aeth: You mostly see imperative programming in a Lisp when working with the CFFI
2018-09-23T04:00:35Z aeth: The best way to interface with C APIs isn't to wrap them directly with a lot of Lispy abstractions. You kill performance and it still doesn't make the code clear.
2018-09-23T04:00:46Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-23T04:00:54Z aeth: The clearest way to interface with C APIs is to write procedures that use them as if you would use them in C. Then, obviously, those procedures should be self-contained.
2018-09-23T04:02:06Z aeth: (at least imo)
2018-09-23T04:02:11Z Zipheir: nanthil: If more was always more, modern languages would let you ignore type and treat everything as a bucket of bits whenever convenient. That’s generally hard to do these days. Because it fscks programs.
2018-09-23T04:03:24Z siraben: Zipheir: assembly
2018-09-23T04:03:51Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-23T04:03:55Z Zipheir: nanthil: There would be a One True Language that included all features of all other languages and everyone would agree that it was the best, but only lacking more features.
2018-09-23T04:05:09Z siraben: Zipheir: I'm reminded of this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ahvzDzKdB0
2018-09-23T04:05:29Z siraben: A good language is that can grow
2018-09-23T04:05:48Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T04:05:51Z siraben: Or as Sussman said, "means of abstraction, means of combination"
2018-09-23T04:07:08Z Zipheir: Or, as Djikstra said, "I fail to see how we can keep our expanding programs within our intellectual grasp ... if the programming language--our basic tool--escapes our comprehension."
2018-09-23T04:07:13Z Zipheir: (something like that)
2018-09-23T04:07:34Z siraben: Which is exactly why I'm using Forth, because I can fully understand the language.
2018-09-23T04:07:42Z Zipheir: Oh, The Great Quux. :)
2018-09-23T04:07:57Z siraben: It's not for everyone though, some people just want a logarithm function and not worry about IEEE 754-compliance
2018-09-23T04:08:13Z siraben: Mathematica is my go-to language for numerical computation/data crunching
2018-09-23T04:08:55Z Zipheir: I haven’t checked out Mathematica yet, but it sounds interesting.
2018-09-23T04:09:35Z siraben: It's absolutely amazing.  Best built-in documentation I've ever seen, syntax is pretty sane and so on
2018-09-23T04:09:43Z siraben: But unfortunately it's not free software
2018-09-23T04:09:51Z Zipheir: That sucks.
2018-09-23T04:10:43Z Zipheir: siraben: This is a very fun talk.
2018-09-23T04:10:45Z siraben: Zipheir: Consider this 1989 demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuCAT5HDh0
2018-09-23T04:10:52Z siraben: Yeah it's a good talk.
2018-09-23T04:11:28Z qu1j0t3: Mathematica is so non-free it's basically the mother ship for proprietary thinking
2018-09-23T04:11:47Z qu1j0t3: the non-free goes all the way down, including litigiousness
2018-09-23T04:11:49Z Zipheir: Oh man, such retro 80s style.
2018-09-23T04:12:34Z qu1j0t3: siraben: i used to use Mathematica to help me out with ray tracing math in the 1980s
2018-09-23T04:12:35Z siraben: Zipheir: There's another impressive demo he gave at strange loop
2018-09-23T04:13:09Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Oh cool!  Do you still use it?
2018-09-23T04:13:12Z qu1j0t3: no
2018-09-23T04:13:35Z siraben: I actually don't mind such a large language, if the documentation is good as well
2018-09-23T04:14:21Z siraben: qu1j0t3: What do you use instead?
2018-09-23T04:14:29Z qu1j0t3: i did like it a bit back then for rapid prototyping and such
2018-09-23T04:14:44Z siraben: It's evolved a lot since
2018-09-23T04:14:46Z Zipheir: Someone asked Sussman about Mathematica and he said something like "oh, I roll my own".
2018-09-23T04:14:57Z siraben: Lol
2018-09-23T04:15:01Z siraben: Probably not feasible anymore
2018-09-23T04:15:23Z Zipheir: Well, Sussman's a madman.
2018-09-23T04:15:54Z siraben: I have heard good things about Python Jupyter, and it has the benefit of being free, but I don't have time right now to re-learn all this
2018-09-23T04:16:16Z qu1j0t3: siraben: i wouldn't buy it. and if i worked at an institution with a license, i'd be very concerned that such a closed tool is compatible with reproducibility of results.
2018-09-23T04:16:29Z qu1j0t3: whether*
2018-09-23T04:16:35Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Good point indeed.
2018-09-23T04:16:38Z siraben: qu1j0t3: I have a friend who goes to Caltech, he says Mathematica is provided free-of-charge to students.
2018-09-23T04:16:45Z qu1j0t3: you have a lot more time than most of us, siraben :)
2018-09-23T04:16:53Z siraben: Yeah, reproducibility is a problem.
2018-09-23T04:17:01Z qu1j0t3: siraben: No doubt, but that doens't allay my main concern.
2018-09-23T04:17:11Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Haha, I will even more this summer
2018-09-23T04:17:48Z qu1j0t3: yes, reproducibility today (1), and reproducibility in 10, 20, 50 years. that's a lot of license upgrades, and assumes that all their DRM infra is still in place, and that there is forward compatibility, etc.
2018-09-23T04:18:15Z siraben: Stephen Wolfram worked with Steve Jobs (who came up with the name), so I suppose people making proprietary products clump together
2018-09-23T04:18:40Z qu1j0t3: Wolfram is kind of megalomaniacal. I met him once during his Mathematica 1.0 tour.
2018-09-23T04:18:48Z siraben: qu1j0t3: To make matters worse Wolfram Research is telling people to query their "knowledge engine", whose data is not available publicly.
2018-09-23T04:18:57Z siraben: Apparently he's not very nice in real life
2018-09-23T04:19:06Z qu1j0t3: siraben: Yeah. It's a mindset that permeates the whole organisation.
2018-09-23T04:19:13Z siraben: Oof
2018-09-23T04:19:22Z qu1j0t3: (proprietariness)
2018-09-23T04:19:38Z Zipheir: siraben: Sorry, way off the current topic, you might actually enjoy this incredibly obscure comic https://ro-che.info/ccc/29
2018-09-23T04:20:12Z qu1j0t3: also i've noticed it's really hard to google the early history of Mathematica and the fate of the previous product he produced. I seem to get dozens of copies of the same account of it, but no real info
2018-09-23T04:20:27Z siraben: Let's make a word: proprietarifluenza - "the plague of the proprietary software mindset"
2018-09-23T04:20:32Z qu1j0t3: hahahah
2018-09-23T04:20:42Z qu1j0t3: yeah. Well, Mathematica 1.0 was a showcase product for the Mac II
2018-09-23T04:20:44Z siraben: Zipheir: I laughed.
2018-09-23T04:20:51Z qu1j0t3: it had a sophisticated Mac front-end.
2018-09-23T04:20:55Z qu1j0t3: i even got some code into it, lol.
2018-09-23T04:21:03Z siraben: Haskell web comics?  Wow
2018-09-23T04:21:05Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: His first project caused the Gulf War, maybe?
2018-09-23T04:21:09Z qu1j0t3: (thining of the Jobs connection)
2018-09-23T04:21:24Z siraben: qu1j0t3: Mathematica was also ported to Intel Macs and demo'd
2018-09-23T04:21:29Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: heh... it was just odd, that's all. usually there's a good narrative for tech products but not in this case.
2018-09-23T04:21:30Z siraben: Apparently the port took 2 hours.
2018-09-23T04:21:44Z qu1j0t3: siraben: It was one of the most widely ported products ever
2018-09-23T04:21:54Z qu1j0t3: siraben: circa 1990 it probably ran on about 40-50 architectures.
2018-09-23T04:21:59Z siraben: Wow
2018-09-23T04:22:05Z qu1j0t3: siraben: this is back in the days of actual heterogeneity.
2018-09-23T04:22:12Z qu1j0t3: siraben: Also, the kernel was intended to run on the big iron
2018-09-23T04:22:15Z siraben: It helps that they had a lot of support
2018-09-23T04:22:21Z siraben: From various companies.
2018-09-23T04:22:30Z qu1j0t3: siraben: so if your Uni had a Cray -- you could run the Mma kernel on it. then access via the network from your workstation.
2018-09-23T04:22:56Z qu1j0t3: yes. it was a very glossy, popular product. everyone wanted it on their platform.
2018-09-23T04:23:08Z qu1j0t3: the only Mma license I actually own is for the NeXT workstation
2018-09-23T04:23:30Z qu1j0t3: having it on the Mac II polished the Mac II's marketing image as an inexpensive "workstation"
2018-09-23T04:23:32Z siraben: Steve Jobs wanted it on every NeXT computer in universities, high schools etc.
2018-09-23T04:23:39Z qu1j0t3: yes
2018-09-23T04:23:39Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T04:23:51Z qu1j0t3: it fit NeXT's education narrative perfectly too
2018-09-23T04:24:11Z siraben: It is a good piece of software, but the proprietary nature of it is a huge bummer.
2018-09-23T04:24:16Z qu1j0t3: agreed
2018-09-23T04:24:57Z siraben: Who knows, maybe Stephen Wolfram will suddenly change his mind and make it free, but there doesn't seem to be any indication of that.
2018-09-23T04:25:11Z Zipheir: What are the free alternatives these days?
2018-09-23T04:25:21Z siraben: Jupyter, Octave ?
2018-09-23T04:25:40Z siraben: R, Python + numpy etc. as far as I know
2018-09-23T04:26:03Z siraben: But none of them really can replace Mathematica as we know it.
2018-09-23T04:26:40Z Zipheir: Right. At least there are options.
2018-09-23T04:28:26Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T04:28:44Z qu1j0t3: stylewarning is a bit of a CAS expert if you want to discuss this further in #symbo1ics
2018-09-23T04:31:04Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-23T04:35:49Z siraben: Zipheir: I'm thinking about how to implement closures in Forth
2018-09-23T04:36:20Z siraben: So I could make a word called COMPOSE which takes two elements from the stack (pointers to closures) and pushes a new pointer on the stack to a closure that composes them
2018-09-23T04:39:10Z Zipheir: Would that be implemented in Forth or asm?
2018-09-23T04:39:36Z Zipheir: I don’t know enough about Forth to know if it’s plausible to do something like that in the language itself.
2018-09-23T04:39:56Z siraben: Zipheir: Anything is possible, just a matter of programming it :)
2018-09-23T04:40:02Z siraben: In Forth, probably
2018-09-23T04:40:08Z siraben: Or asm if I felt like it
2018-09-23T04:40:23Z siraben: But that would come much later, maybe I won't get to writing it because closures do add a lot of overheard
2018-09-23T04:40:26Z siraben: overhead
2018-09-23T04:49:37Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-23T04:51:44Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T04:52:15Z pierpal quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T04:54:54Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-23T05:07:00Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T05:07:38Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-23T05:13:14Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-23T05:23:54Z Giomancer quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-23T05:36:36Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-23T05:37:19Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-23T05:39:07Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-23T05:39:35Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T05:54:49Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-23T06:06:39Z keep_learning joined #scheme
2018-09-23T06:30:39Z Siorai quit
2018-09-23T06:45:18Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T06:49:51Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-23T06:50:42Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-23T06:54:52Z jwh21 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T06:57:27Z jwh21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T07:06:09Z neonfuz17 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:10:58Z neonfuz17 quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-23T07:15:55Z nanthil quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-23T07:29:02Z pie__ joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:31:36Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T07:32:15Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-23T07:33:59Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:45:04Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:53:41Z comatekeke2 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:53:41Z rodrigods9 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T07:57:16Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T07:57:45Z rodrigods9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T08:02:14Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-23T08:05:16Z comatekeke2 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-23T08:11:22Z greaser|q quit (Changing host)
2018-09-23T08:11:23Z greaser|q joined #scheme
2018-09-23T08:11:25Z greaser|q is now known as GreaseMonkey
2018-09-23T08:11:28Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-23T08:13:00Z avelldiroll9 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T08:14:57Z avelldiroll9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T08:17:41Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T08:32:28Z orionp11 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T08:33:24Z orionp11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T08:41:20Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-23T08:44:09Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-23T08:58:23Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T09:11:27Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-23T09:11:49Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-23T09:24:47Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-23T09:35:40Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T09:58:38Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-23T10:06:50Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T10:09:28Z amko joined #scheme
2018-09-23T10:12:05Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T10:33:38Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T10:36:38Z amko quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-23T10:37:19Z moy6 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T10:39:02Z moy6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T10:39:03Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T10:40:39Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-23T11:56:27Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:03:56Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T12:04:12Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:06:02Z tys101010 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:06:55Z tys101010 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T12:07:35Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T12:13:57Z epony quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T12:14:19Z killtheliterate1 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:15:17Z killtheliterate1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T12:19:57Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:34:39Z amirouche joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:35:07Z amirouche is now known as amz3
2018-09-23T12:46:05Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:46:48Z keep_learning__M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:47:18Z keep_learning__M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T12:47:37Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:48:32Z mwelt quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-23T12:49:04Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:51:33Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T12:51:53Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:55:46Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T12:56:13Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:58:23Z keep_learning_M quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-23T12:58:44Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T12:59:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-23T13:00:10Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T13:00:29Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:02:00Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T13:02:19Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:03:53Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T13:04:34Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:04:45Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:06:35Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T13:06:54Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:07:02Z keep_learning_M quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T13:07:19Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:08:19Z keep_learning_M quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T13:10:30Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:23:36Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-23T13:30:17Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:06:51Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:08:29Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:11:46Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:18:03Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T14:18:14Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:20:08Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:31:41Z basic`13 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T14:36:27Z basic`13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T14:47:04Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-23T15:02:08Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-23T15:08:29Z keep_learning_M quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-23T15:28:37Z mwelt quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-23T15:30:07Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-23T15:31:17Z mwelt quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-23T15:31:23Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-23T15:35:29Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T15:43:24Z jcowan: I've been thinking about a general-purpose memoization library for Scheme
2018-09-23T15:43:58Z wasamasa: like https://github.com/clojure/core.memoize ?
2018-09-23T15:45:09Z jcowan: I've been thinking about a general-purpose memoization library for Scheme mapping lists to lists, which is likely to be slow and ugly
2018-09-23T15:45:25Z jcowan: sorry, line got garbled there, but "slow and ugly" is the point
2018-09-23T15:50:32Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T15:51:20Z jcowan: one-input one-output functional languages are much neater here, they can use eqv?-based instead of equal?-based caches
2018-09-23T15:54:19Z jcowan: so I have a couple of ideas for reducing that messiness: one is to use a comparator on lists which tests them component-wise using eqv?
2018-09-23T15:54:57Z jcowan: another, more radical, is to use a trie rather than a hash table (or possibly a hash trie)
2018-09-23T15:55:22Z wasamasa: that's about the implementation though, isn't it
2018-09-23T15:55:34Z wasamasa: I'm more curious about the interface and memoization strategies
2018-09-23T15:55:46Z jcowan: I think fare-memoization has a good interface
2018-09-23T15:56:01Z civodul: i use this: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/guix/memoization.scm
2018-09-23T15:56:11Z civodul: the main interface is 'mlambda' and 'mlambdaq'
2018-09-23T15:56:13Z jcowan: https://github.com/fare/fare-memoization
2018-09-23T15:57:31Z jcowan: civodul: It doesn't seem to handle multiple values, though, unless I am missing something
2018-09-23T15:58:49Z jcowan: oh, actually part of it does
2018-09-23T16:00:52Z jcowan: I particularly like the fare-memo feature of memoizing at the call site if you want to
2018-09-23T16:09:00Z jcowan: In particular I think that the lists that hold arguments and results should be an implementation detail, and the user should provide the equivalence relation
2018-09-23T16:09:38Z jcowan: the other interesting thing about clojure's memoize is the bounded cache and different strategies for expiring it
2018-09-23T16:11:14Z jcowan: this should probably be pulled out of any discussion of memoization
2018-09-23T16:13:30Z jcowan: an interesting feature of the guix system is various fast paths for special cases (one argument, one return, or both), but the interface is annoyingly irregular
2018-09-23T16:14:15Z civodul: yeah
2018-09-23T16:15:29Z nckx quit (Quit: Updating my GNU GuixSD server — gnu.org/s/guix)
2018-09-23T16:21:02Z nckx joined #scheme
2018-09-23T16:27:30Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T16:32:07Z gwatt: jcowan: Is this the interface you want? http://termbin.com/62as
2018-09-23T16:32:58Z jcowan: that's pretty simpleminded: no eviction, no control of cache type
2018-09-23T16:33:09Z jcowan: I think I should think about caches first and memoization afterwards
2018-09-23T16:33:22Z gwatt: I'm assuming pure functions here.
2018-09-23T16:37:13Z jcowan: Sure, memoization makes no sense on impure functions
2018-09-23T16:39:28Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-23T16:45:50Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-23T16:53:36Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T17:01:21Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-23T17:07:58Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-23T17:14:06Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-23T17:58:04Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-23T18:11:31Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T18:12:16Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-23T18:16:52Z ecraven: is there any srfi that has bytevector-u16le-ref and friends?
2018-09-23T18:25:24Z gwatt: ecraven: r6sr bytevectors accept the endianness as an argument to ref/set!
2018-09-23T18:25:49Z ecraven: gwatt: I know, but afaik there's no srfi for r7rs yet
2018-09-23T18:26:24Z ecraven: I also think it might be best to have all versions, bytevector-u16-ref (which takes mandatory endianness), bytevector-u16le-ref and bytevector-u16be-ref
2018-09-23T18:26:28Z ecraven: (and all the others)
2018-09-23T18:27:01Z redfish17 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T18:27:15Z gwatt: fair enough
2018-09-23T18:27:44Z ecraven: but I'd imagine the srfi would mostly just take the r6rs library and maybe add a few functions
2018-09-23T18:28:16Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-23T18:28:45Z redfish17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T18:34:33Z gwatt: That would certainly be the easiest way to do it.
2018-09-23T18:35:54Z ecraven: my main point is I'd like to have the *interface* (i.e. function names) standardised, the implementation I don't care about so much :P
2018-09-23T18:38:16Z ecraven: given how common RGB is in graphics, -u24- functions might be useful too
2018-09-23T18:38:50Z ecraven: though srfi-160 doesn't include these :-/
2018-09-23T18:46:18Z gwatt: Do the graphics protocols actually fully pack 24-bit colors?
2018-09-23T18:46:35Z nanthil joined #scheme
2018-09-23T18:46:36Z nanthil: o7
2018-09-23T18:48:27Z gwatt: ecraven: Wouldn't they just eat the 8 bit/pixel loss to avoid spanning word boundaries?
2018-09-23T18:48:34Z gwatt: And that's ignoring the alpha channel
2018-09-23T19:13:05Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T19:15:41Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T19:16:23Z nanthil: do you guys know if I can load scheme files in rackeet?
2018-09-23T19:18:08Z wasamasa: imagine a world where that was impossible
2018-09-23T19:18:33Z wasamasa: a world where even something as sophisticated as racket were utterly useless for anything other than academical work
2018-09-23T19:18:48Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-23T19:19:02Z wasamasa: do you think we live in such a world or that racket hid the command for that in one of its menus?
2018-09-23T19:24:32Z nanthil: what are you talking about
2018-09-23T19:24:50Z nanthil: i don't need sarcasm. i'm really fucking new. so, a straight answer would be nice
2018-09-23T19:25:01Z wasamasa: the straight answer is "yes"
2018-09-23T19:25:27Z wasamasa: because we aren't living in a desolate world as described above
2018-09-23T19:27:01Z wasamasa: a better question would be "how can I load scheme files in racket?"
2018-09-23T19:28:37Z nanthil: yes, that would be a great question once I know that it is possible
2018-09-23T19:28:47Z wasamasa: you can be very certain that it is possible
2018-09-23T19:28:58Z nanthil: otherwise I'd be getting snarky sarcasm by asking "if" when it isn't possible
2018-09-23T19:29:03Z rain1: just ignore wasamasa
2018-09-23T19:29:13Z rain1: he's always rude and unhelpful
2018-09-23T19:29:41Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T19:30:10Z wasamasa: just ignore rain1, he's always whining about harsh people on freenode
2018-09-23T19:31:36Z nanthil: it isn't a matter of harshness, but of whether the question is being answered
2018-09-23T19:32:40Z nanthil: I was looking for a quick answer. I was here last night, and was getting stuck on something scheme, and racket kept coming up. so I was interested if standard scheme is a subset of racket. if so, then I should be able to import my file from yesterday and run it using racket.
2018-09-23T19:32:45Z nanthil: hence the question.
2018-09-23T19:33:02Z wasamasa: well, that's far more context
2018-09-23T19:33:20Z wasamasa: yes, racket can run scheme code, if you tell it that you want scheme of a certain standard
2018-09-23T19:34:40Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-23T19:35:50Z wasamasa: this can be done with their #lang facility
2018-09-23T19:37:59Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-23T19:38:45Z Zipheir: Racket supports both kinds of Scheme, standard and sub-standard. :-)
2018-09-23T19:39:09Z nanthil: so I was having problems importing. in the racket channel they're telling me to use the provide and require functions to import to the repl
2018-09-23T19:39:13Z nanthil: (load "file.ss") wasn't working
2018-09-23T19:39:20Z nanthil: with #lang racket at the top of the file
2018-09-23T19:39:50Z wasamasa: one more tip: if you're having scheme issues, using something even more complicated isn't the best idea
2018-09-23T19:41:29Z nanthil: well, it was issues that I can't even recreate
2018-09-23T19:41:32Z Zipheir: nanthil: Use #lang r5rs. Unless you need racket?
2018-09-23T19:41:58Z nanthil: I don't, but racket has a lot of documentation, and the documentation for scheme is pretty much just the spec
2018-09-23T19:42:09Z wasamasa: that's just the standard
2018-09-23T19:42:15Z wasamasa: your implementation has documentation, too
2018-09-23T19:42:20Z nanthil: and also there are lots of answers to questions in racket, easy to find, but not for scheme
2018-09-23T19:42:36Z nanthil: becasue every time the answer is "depending on your implementation" which isn't helpful for someone who needs the basic answer
2018-09-23T19:43:07Z wasamasa: then ask people using your implementation
2018-09-23T19:43:20Z Zipheir: But sometimes the basic answer is implementation-dependent, in which case, look ye to thine implementation's docs.
2018-09-23T19:43:46Z wasamasa: unless for some reason you really want to write code working across all the scheme implementations out there (but why would you as a beginner?)
2018-09-23T19:43:56Z nanthil: but then rackets docs are more complete, with examples, and a larger community and library set and everything else
2018-09-23T19:43:57Z nanthil: i mean really
2018-09-23T19:43:59Z nanthil: i don't care what
2018-09-23T19:44:11Z wasamasa: yes, scheme isn't what I'd recommend to beginners
2018-09-23T19:44:12Z nanthil: but I'm having problems finding quick answers for language questions
2018-09-23T19:44:17Z nanthil: who's a beginner
2018-09-23T19:44:19Z wasamasa: you?
2018-09-23T19:44:25Z nanthil: I'm a beginner in scheme
2018-09-23T19:44:25Z nanthil: yes
2018-09-23T19:44:31Z nanthil: so scheme is bad for people who don't know scheme?
2018-09-23T19:44:31Z nanthil: great
2018-09-23T19:44:38Z nanthil: that's a great language you got here
2018-09-23T19:45:22Z nanthil: i'm attempting to crack lisp/scheme because I've attempted several times in the past, and failed, namely to difficulty in finding information. when peopl were talking about racket yesterday, I saw the documentation and its glorious
2018-09-23T19:45:32Z nanthil: and I'm already finding nothing but racket answers to scheme questions
2018-09-23T19:46:33Z nanthil: so... since information is more readily available and pervasive, it seems taht it might be a better approach to learning lisp/scheme because I might be able to more quickly write non-trivial progams in it
2018-09-23T19:46:39Z wasamasa: it's more like, scheme is great for people who're experienced with figuring out things on their own
2018-09-23T19:47:02Z nanthil: suggesting that I'm not that
2018-09-23T19:47:18Z nanthil: when (string->list "()()()(())((()))") was treating ((())) as a single char
2018-09-23T19:47:22Z nanthil: i mean
2018-09-23T19:47:26Z Zipheir: nanthil: Chill out, dude.
2018-09-23T19:47:45Z nanthil: I'm chill. maybe my word choice is making me seem not chill, but I'm really just trying to decide the best way to learn
2018-09-23T19:48:08Z nanthil: and I don't know the differences
2018-09-23T19:48:27Z nanthil: so I'm trying to figure that out with my limited domain specific knowledge of terminology
2018-09-23T19:48:29Z Zipheir: nanthil: I tried that in a few schemes after you left yesterday, and I’m still wondering in what implementation that bug appears.
2018-09-23T19:48:43Z nanthil: petite
2018-09-23T19:48:46Z wasamasa: (string->list "()()()(())((()))") returns a list of parenthetical characters, not sure what else it should
2018-09-23T19:48:50Z nanthil: and I can't recreate it
2018-09-23T19:49:17Z nanthil: i had a basic recursive algorithm on a (string->list "()()()(())((()))") where I was trying to get the charcode
2018-09-23T19:49:19Z Zipheir: wasamasa: According to nanthil, ((())) was parsed as a single character?
2018-09-23T19:49:24Z nanthil: but then ((())) isn't a char
2018-09-23T19:49:36Z nanthil: i kept getting that error before I hopped on here yesterday
2018-09-23T19:50:16Z nanthil: i changed the string to something more simple and couldn't recreate the issue afterwards
2018-09-23T19:50:29Z nanthil: but my question now isn't about that
2018-09-23T19:50:50Z Zipheir: nanthil: I’m convinced there was something else going on that caused that error. An implementor would have to have colossally fscked up string->list for that to happen.
2018-09-23T19:51:00Z nanthil: my question now is that if racket is a superset of scheme, then there seems to be more information for racket more easily available
2018-09-23T19:51:12Z wasamasa: racket goes far and beyond scheme
2018-09-23T19:51:29Z wasamasa: #lang racket does break with several scheme things, such as mutable conses
2018-09-23T19:51:43Z Zipheir: nanthil: That's not a question.
2018-09-23T19:52:08Z nanthil: sorry, i didn't think that through
2018-09-23T19:52:08Z wasamasa: racket's goal is to be the ultimate platform for creating new programming languages
2018-09-23T19:52:33Z nanthil: my question now is that if racket is a superset of scheme, and there seems to be more information for racket more easily available, then maybe its a better learning tool
2018-09-23T19:52:52Z wasamasa: it isn't
2018-09-23T19:53:15Z wasamasa: it includes an implementation of scheme and is based off scheme, but deliberately broke some of the unwritten rules
2018-09-23T19:53:15Z nanthil: and maybe it'd be more practical to learn anyway, since it can be scripted, and has libraries for just about anything
2018-09-23T19:53:32Z wasamasa: if you want racket help, #scheme isn't the best place for that
2018-09-23T19:53:32Z nanthil: what rules in particular?
2018-09-23T19:53:38Z nanthil: i'm not
2018-09-23T19:53:43Z nanthil: i'm looking for information
2018-09-23T19:53:47Z Zipheir: nanthil: For context, SICP teaches an enormous range of topics with less than R5RS Scheme. You don’t need bells, whistles and gongs to learn.
2018-09-23T19:53:48Z nanthil: about scheme in relation to racket
2018-09-23T19:54:08Z amz3: fwiw there is #racket channel and racket google group
2018-09-23T19:54:13Z nanthil: no, but I need ready information
2018-09-23T19:54:19Z nanthil: I'm not here to ask for help with racket
2018-09-23T19:54:25Z nanthil: i'm here to ask about scheme in relation to racket
2018-09-23T19:54:29Z amz3: hmm
2018-09-23T19:54:32Z wasamasa: rules such as that scheme is a small and consistent language
2018-09-23T19:54:37Z amz3: well racket doesn its own thing
2018-09-23T19:54:42Z amz3: +1 wasamasa
2018-09-23T19:54:43Z wasamasa: that mutability is good in doses
2018-09-23T19:54:58Z nanthil: racket completely got rid of mutability?
2018-09-23T19:54:59Z wasamasa: that you don't really need macros
2018-09-23T19:55:16Z nanthil: racket doens't use macros, or scheme doesn't?
2018-09-23T19:55:26Z wasamasa: that when in doubt, you just write your own implementation of it
2018-09-23T19:55:33Z amz3: nanthil: racket has the most advanced macro facility
2018-09-23T19:55:42Z nanthil: greater than CL?
2018-09-23T19:56:06Z amz3: CL has hygenic macros?
2018-09-23T19:56:14Z nanthil: who said hygenic
2018-09-23T19:56:17Z wasamasa: to give an example how obsessed racketeers are with macros, there's a gmp macro turning bignum math into human readable code, inside a fucking benchmark
2018-09-23T19:56:23Z wasamasa: just for fun
2018-09-23T19:56:38Z wasamasa: in scheme, it's more common to just not use macros and work with a thunk
2018-09-23T19:56:47Z nanthil: what's a thunk/
2018-09-23T19:56:54Z wasamasa: a zero argument lambda
2018-09-23T19:56:56Z amz3: interesting as always
2018-09-23T19:57:14Z wasamasa: racket didn't get rid of mutability, they got rid of mutable conses as the default
2018-09-23T19:57:41Z wasamasa: if you want to build arc from the original sources, you'll find a note telling you to use an obsolete version of racket where they didn't do the switch yet
2018-09-23T19:57:41Z amz3: what is the point of that?
2018-09-23T19:57:51Z wasamasa: asserting how evil mutation is?
2018-09-23T19:57:52Z wasamasa: idk
2018-09-23T19:57:56Z amz3: hmm
2018-09-23T19:57:57Z Zipheir: amz3: Structure sharing, I imagine.
2018-09-23T19:58:41Z wasamasa: nanthil: the differences are ultimately philosophical, do you want to buy into an opinionated platform or rather stick with a smaller, unique tool
2018-09-23T19:59:10Z amz3: nanthil: I don't use racket because it doesn't expose POSIX threads if that helps if your choice
2018-09-23T19:59:27Z wasamasa: nanthil: see also https://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations
2018-09-23T19:59:28Z amz3: s/if/in/
2018-09-23T19:59:54Z wasamasa: the great thing about scheme is that it comes in many flavors instead of converging to the one trying to solve everyone's problems
2018-09-23T19:59:59Z Zipheir: The big point about racket philosophy is that it’s always been intended as an educational tool. It’s not a streamlined design, because it's supposed to expose people to a million different options.
2018-09-23T20:00:26Z Duns_Scrotus: https://blog.racket-lang.org/2007/11/getting-rid-of-set-car-and-set-cdr.html here is their justification, agree with it or don't
2018-09-23T20:00:30Z nanthil: I think what I'm intersted in is learning the most objectively powerful family of languages to expand my own understanding of computing and language theory, while hopefully resulting in practical knowledge that can be used to solve real problems at some point in my career
2018-09-23T20:00:38Z wasamasa: haha, objectively
2018-09-23T20:00:58Z wasamasa: objectively, all of these are turing complete and can be modified thanks to being free software
2018-09-23T20:01:13Z nanthil: family wasamasa:
2018-09-23T20:01:27Z nanthil: lisp/scheme dialects are what I was referring to
2018-09-23T20:02:12Z wasamasa: and no, I wouldn't be so sure about that
2018-09-23T20:02:27Z wasamasa: there is far more than lisp worth learning
2018-09-23T20:02:40Z nanthil: meaning what?
2018-09-23T20:03:04Z amz3: Duns_Scrotus: tx
2018-09-23T20:03:04Z wasamasa: the ML family, smalltalk, forth, etc.
2018-09-23T20:03:11Z nanthil: no I get it
2018-09-23T20:03:26Z nanthil: i have learned around 20 languages at this point
2018-09-23T20:03:36Z nanthil: and smalltalk and ada were on my list
2018-09-23T20:03:36Z amz3: ?!
2018-09-23T20:03:50Z nanthil: but apl and lisp/scheme have me getting stuck because they turn my understanding so far on its ear
2018-09-23T20:04:17Z Duns_Scrotus: scheme is really just like any other programming language, these days
2018-09-23T20:04:18Z Zipheir: nanthil: What’s so weird?
2018-09-23T20:04:32Z nanthil: both apl and lisp families of languages provide solutions to all sorts of problems that I encounter using less expressive languages every day
2018-09-23T20:04:53Z Duns_Scrotus: programming languages are just, do this, do that, do this, now do this
2018-09-23T20:05:10Z Duns_Scrotus: first class funtions and closures used to be unique but are now common in programming languages
2018-09-23T20:05:14Z nanthil: the structure of any program in comparison to most mainstream languages I've encountered? how do you write a non-trivial application in these languages?
2018-09-23T20:05:30Z jyap19 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T20:05:31Z Duns_Scrotus: depends on the implementation
2018-09-23T20:05:34Z nanthil: javascript has first class functions and closures but it doesn't have macros
2018-09-23T20:05:34Z Duns_Scrotus: sadly
2018-09-23T20:05:39Z nanthil: no language has lisp macros
2018-09-23T20:05:48Z nanthil: except lisp family languages
2018-09-23T20:05:49Z wasamasa: wrong
2018-09-23T20:05:53Z Zipheir: Scheme doesn't have (Common) Lisp macrose.
2018-09-23T20:05:58Z wasamasa: rust and julia are getting there
2018-09-23T20:05:59Z nanthil: yes i know that
2018-09-23T20:06:02Z Zipheir: s/macrose/macros/.
2018-09-23T20:06:04Z nanthil: i'm following julia
2018-09-23T20:06:06Z wasamasa: smalltalk proves you don't need them
2018-09-23T20:06:10Z wasamasa: so does forth
2018-09-23T20:06:22Z nanthil: but it hasn't been stable enough for me to adopt for a project yet
2018-09-23T20:06:23Z Zipheir: So does Haskell.
2018-09-23T20:06:29Z nanthil: haskell has lisp macros?
2018-09-23T20:06:33Z wasamasa: how you structure programs is ultimately up to your own taste
2018-09-23T20:06:36Z nanthil: code as data?
2018-09-23T20:06:45Z Zipheir: ^^ wasamasa: smalltalk proves you don't need them
2018-09-23T20:07:03Z wasamasa: what works out for large projects is up to luck and perseverance
2018-09-23T20:07:29Z amz3: +1 luck and perseverance
2018-09-23T20:07:32Z Duns_Scrotus: i think the most important feature of scheme is named let :)
2018-09-23T20:07:36Z Duns_Scrotus: ML should steal that
2018-09-23T20:07:38Z wasamasa: the biggest production-ready scheme codebase I've seen so far is quite the ugly beast
2018-09-23T20:07:38Z amz3: nanthil: If you know 20 languages, I guess you don't need to learn yet another language, i guess
2018-09-23T20:07:50Z nanthil: but then how to structure large projects in more commonly used languages is well discussed and easy to find information about, and you're likely to experience it on the job
2018-09-23T20:07:51Z Zipheir: The nice thing about projects in Lisp is that, due to the expressiveness of the language, you end up with for more modularity and less code.
2018-09-23T20:07:55Z amz3: wasamasa: what is it?
2018-09-23T20:08:11Z Zipheir: Duns_Scrotus: ?? It's just syntactic sugar for letrec.
2018-09-23T20:08:20Z wasamasa: amz3: work stuff, a shelved IM
2018-09-23T20:08:43Z amz3: nanthil: what you are lookind for doesn't exist for other languages
2018-09-23T20:08:55Z nanthil: what is that?
2018-09-23T20:09:05Z Duns_Scrotus: Zipheir: i should have said "standard ml"
2018-09-23T20:09:09Z amz3: nanthil: a solution to _your_ problem
2018-09-23T20:09:23Z nanthil: what problem is that?
2018-09-23T20:09:28Z amz3: nanthil: idk
2018-09-23T20:09:38Z nanthil: me either
2018-09-23T20:09:40Z Duns_Scrotus: Zipheir: but i guess standard ml will never change or get new features
2018-09-23T20:09:41Z Zipheir: nanthil: If you’re trying to learn how to write a non-trivial program, Scheme isn’t your problem.
2018-09-23T20:09:48Z nanthil: no
2018-09-23T20:10:09Z nanthil: i'm trying to learn how to use lisp family and apl family languages to write non trivial programs in those langagues
2018-09-23T20:10:17Z amz3: nanthil: you seem to be looking for guidance to how structure your program to solve a particula problem
2018-09-23T20:10:25Z nanthil: I've written non-trivial programs in most c based langauges because the syntax and forms are so similar
2018-09-23T20:10:30Z nanthil: so
2018-09-23T20:10:37Z nanthil: no I'm trying to do the same in these other langauges
2018-09-23T20:10:38Z Zipheir: nanthil: And what I’m saying and I think wasamasa is saying is that it’s no different.
2018-09-23T20:10:40Z amz3: nanthil: pick a existing program and try to understand it
2018-09-23T20:10:58Z wasamasa: write code, pile code on top, rewrite it until you like it better, repeat
2018-09-23T20:11:04Z amz3: yes
2018-09-23T20:11:05Z nanthil: but i am not succeeding in writing non trivial programs, how can I be expected to undersatnd a large project
2018-09-23T20:11:09Z wasamasa: that's what you do in literally every programming language
2018-09-23T20:11:15Z Zipheir: nanthil: Adapting algorithms and structures between languages is basic programming knowledge.
2018-09-23T20:11:15Z amz3: nanthil: what did you try to program?
2018-09-23T20:11:16Z wasamasa: the big difference is how big your code tends to get
2018-09-23T20:11:16Z Duns_Scrotus: nanthil: which nontrivial program are you failing to write
2018-09-23T20:11:19Z Duns_Scrotus: nanthil: and where are you failing
2018-09-23T20:11:28Z wasamasa: in some you tend to write very little because everything else is overkill
2018-09-23T20:11:52Z nanthil: well I was failing in common lisp because there was some unexpeted behavior, and I couldn't ever find the predicate that I was needing to accomplish this or that
2018-09-23T20:11:55Z wasamasa: in others you write very little because they glue other systems together
2018-09-23T20:11:59Z nanthil: then all the various data structures and mthods on those structures
2018-09-23T20:12:04Z amz3: wasamasa: I don't get it, what is overkill?
2018-09-23T20:12:07Z nanthil: so then I switched to scheme because its supposed to be simpler
2018-09-23T20:12:14Z wasamasa: amz3: writing a large forth program for example
2018-09-23T20:12:17Z nanthil: but then last night I had some really random behavior with string -> list
2018-09-23T20:12:22Z nanthil: so I came here asking questions
2018-09-23T20:12:23Z nanthil: where in
2018-09-23T20:12:24Z wasamasa: amz3: or for some people, a large perl program
2018-09-23T20:12:28Z nanthil: people mentioned racket
2018-09-23T20:12:36Z jyap19 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T20:12:40Z nanthil: so now I am asking questions about racket, I read about it yesterday and interested in scheme compared to racket
2018-09-23T20:12:41Z nanthil: hence
2018-09-23T20:12:44Z nanthil: my line of questioning
2018-09-23T20:12:44Z wasamasa: amz3: for me, writing scheme files bigger than a thousand lines
2018-09-23T20:13:03Z wasamasa: there is no line, more of a constant sense of confusion
2018-09-23T20:13:04Z nanthil: data structures in scheme and lisp are particularly different
2018-09-23T20:13:28Z wasamasa: not really
2018-09-23T20:13:51Z nanthil: the notation and how you interact with them is certainly different
2018-09-23T20:13:52Z wasamasa: you have singly linked lists, fixed-size vectors, hash tables, everything else is up to the implementation
2018-09-23T20:14:07Z wasamasa: this isn't that different from, say, C
2018-09-23T20:14:22Z amz3: except in scheme you have 'cons'
2018-09-23T20:14:52Z nanthil: like, I get cons cells and how those beecome a list
2018-09-23T20:14:59Z Zipheir: Also, the SRFI system is highly useful.
2018-09-23T20:15:15Z rain1: except that there's no standard way to import an srfi
2018-09-23T20:15:16Z nanthil: but I'm not really understanding how you write large solutions using nothing but recursion, and primarily lisp lists
2018-09-23T20:15:19Z amz3: nanthil: that's a datastructure
2018-09-23T20:15:46Z amz3: nanthil: you don't use primarly lisp lists, it's like saying python programs are made only of 'dict'
2018-09-23T20:15:48Z Duns_Scrotus: nanthil: can you write a loop with recursion
2018-09-23T20:15:49Z nanthil: here's a good example, I'm accustomed to having index's as well as values when using map
2018-09-23T20:16:00Z Zipheir: rain1: Modules are standard with R7, so it should be consistent going forward.
2018-09-23T20:16:04Z nanthil: so how do I solve certain issues without having access to an index whlie iterating
2018-09-23T20:16:13Z wasamasa: you write your own mapping function with an index
2018-09-23T20:16:28Z nanthil: yes, using a let closure over a define
2018-09-23T20:16:29Z nanthil: that's neat
2018-09-23T20:16:32Z wasamasa: no?
2018-09-23T20:16:42Z wasamasa: you do it the hard way with a named let
2018-09-23T20:17:02Z nanthil: example?
2018-09-23T20:17:13Z wasamasa: you never wrote a named let loop?
2018-09-23T20:17:23Z Zipheir: nanthil: You can always zip a list with a list of indices, which is a somewhat common trick in ML languages.
2018-09-23T20:18:00Z amz3: nanthil: example named let https://github.com/amirouche/zehefyu93/blob/414de36f95aa59aa212ed870fa7f1ca61355e05c/guile/neon/engine.scm#L54-L59
2018-09-23T20:18:01Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/JBwgN9hb7c
2018-09-23T20:18:17Z wasamasa: nanthil: the named let keeps track of the index and the remaining conses, if there are none, stop recursion, otherwise process the index and car and recur with the incremented index and cdr
2018-09-23T20:18:33Z wasamasa: nanthil: in plain scheme you do this kind of thing a lot, so get used to it
2018-09-23T20:18:41Z nanthil: amz3: where?
2018-09-23T20:18:46Z wasamasa: nanthil: in racket, you use one of their specialized looping facilities
2018-09-23T20:19:14Z amz3: nanthil: the url
2018-09-23T20:19:19Z nanthil: in js, you'd do soemthing like arr.map((val, index) => //use val and index)
2018-09-23T20:19:24Z nanthil: yes but where in the code
2018-09-23T20:19:27Z wasamasa: this isn't js
2018-09-23T20:19:31Z nanthil: i get it
2018-09-23T20:19:37Z wasamasa: get used to some things not being there by default
2018-09-23T20:19:40Z nanthil: but this was my complaint about scheme not actually being simple
2018-09-23T20:19:42Z nanthil: but rather small
2018-09-23T20:19:44Z amz3: nanthil: it's highlighted in yellow/orange
2018-09-23T20:19:46Z wasamasa: simple != easy
2018-09-23T20:19:57Z wasamasa: scheme isn't easy indeed, nobody claimed it is
2018-09-23T20:20:09Z wasamasa: neither is racket if that's what you hoped for
2018-09-23T20:20:15Z amz3: nanthil: I can give a more elaborate example of named let if you want
2018-09-23T20:20:20Z nanthil: wow I've never seen taht before
2018-09-23T20:20:26Z nanthil: no I need an explanation of it
2018-09-23T20:20:29Z Duns_Scrotus: racket is a pretty inconvenient language for how big it is tbh
2018-09-23T20:20:29Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-23T20:20:31Z wasamasa: if you're looking for something easy, go for python
2018-09-23T20:20:36Z amz3: +1
2018-09-23T20:20:51Z wasamasa: personally, I prefer ruby for something less braindead and more expressive
2018-09-23T20:21:03Z nanthil: i already use python, java, c#, C++... ok, I'm not in school, I'm a professional... just one who doesn't get scheme
2018-09-23T20:21:12Z amz3: nanthil: https://github.com/amirouche/zehefyu93/blob/414de36f95aa59aa212ed870fa7f1ca61355e05c/guile/neon/engine.scm#L1032-L1048
2018-09-23T20:21:13Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/6cwFvZjCrA
2018-09-23T20:21:35Z nanthil: i'm not getting that form, I've never seen it before
2018-09-23T20:21:39Z nanthil: (let loop ((...
2018-09-23T20:21:54Z Zipheir: nanthil: I highly recommend you read The Little Schemer, among lots of other lisp books.
2018-09-23T20:21:55Z nanthil: how does it work? I've only seen the form (let ((var1...
2018-09-23T20:22:19Z nanthil: yes, I've read a lot of lisp books. practical common lisp, land of lisp, PAIP, OOP in CL
2018-09-23T20:22:24Z amz3: nanthil: that form, is pervasive in scheme
2018-09-23T20:22:43Z Zipheir: (although you don’t need it, you can use letrec to do the same thing.)
2018-09-23T20:22:43Z nanthil: but me being a novice, I've never seen it. how does it work?
2018-09-23T20:23:00Z amz3: s/pervasive/widespread/
2018-09-23T20:23:19Z wasamasa: it desugars to (letrec ((loop (lambda (...) ...))) ...)
2018-09-23T20:23:19Z amz3: nanthil: simply said, it's a loop
2018-09-23T20:23:40Z amz3: nanthil: but more powerful that the regular while loop
2018-09-23T20:23:42Z Duns_Scrotus: nanthil: its the same thing as defining a function called "loop" and calling it with some initial parameters
2018-09-23T20:24:18Z amz3: nanthil: you don't need to understand how it's implemented to use, I don't how it's implemented myself..
2018-09-23T20:24:27Z nanthil: so
2018-09-23T20:24:29Z nanthil: how do you use it?
2018-09-23T20:24:45Z Duns_Scrotus: what do you mean
2018-09-23T20:24:58Z nanthil: i mean, what is the form, and what do the parts mean?
2018-09-23T20:25:05Z Duns_Scrotus: read the docs
2018-09-23T20:25:07Z amz3: nanthil: infinite loop is written like that: (let loopX () (loopX))
2018-09-23T20:25:14Z nanthil: where are the docs
2018-09-23T20:25:21Z wasamasa: it's in the standard
2018-09-23T20:25:28Z nanthil: and where do I find that?
2018-09-23T20:25:41Z wasamasa: first, pick your preferred standard
2018-09-23T20:25:48Z Zipheir: nanthil: It's just a procedure. You can iterate over a list, say, by passing its tail to the recursive call.
2018-09-23T20:25:53Z amz3: r5rs or r6rs or r7rs in a search engine
2018-09-23T20:25:55Z nanthil: how do I have a preference when I don't know whtat they are?
2018-09-23T20:26:13Z wasamasa: your preference is racket, so go with that
2018-09-23T20:26:21Z nanthil: i never said taht
2018-09-23T20:26:37Z amz3: nanthil: you have to read at some point the documentation to be able to do a wise guess of which one will help you best
2018-09-23T20:26:39Z nanthil: i'm trying to figure out how to learn going forward. so I was asking for some comparisons
2018-09-23T20:26:40Z wasamasa: nanthil: the discussion so far heavily suggests that
2018-09-23T20:26:47Z Zipheir: nanthil: The standard is only going to explain the syntax and semantics, which isn’t going to help if you don’t know how to use a named let.
2018-09-23T20:27:23Z wasamasa: nanthil: I have no evidence so far suggesting that you actually wish to go with vanilla scheme
2018-09-23T20:27:24Z Zipheir: nanthil: Do you know how to write a loop with recursion alone?
2018-09-23T20:27:32Z amz3: nanthil: there is no vendor lockin of some sort, if you start with racket you can move more or less easily to a regular scheme
2018-09-23T20:28:09Z nanthil: wasamasa: i have no idea what I'm doing. that's the only indication you should be left with. scheme and lisp are kicking my balls because I've been in beginner mode for the better part of a year
2018-09-23T20:28:24Z wasamasa: wow, a year
2018-09-23T20:28:34Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-23T20:28:37Z nanthil: and in the last few months I've been burning through books, until I was exasperated with CL for is sheer size and was looking for something simpler, so I picked up scheme instead
2018-09-23T20:28:58Z wasamasa: except you misunderstood the meaning of simplicity and mistook it for easiness
2018-09-23T20:29:10Z nanthil: no, I didn't mistake anything
2018-09-23T20:29:19Z nanthil: i never said I expected it to be easier, but smaller than CL
2018-09-23T20:29:22Z nanthil: that is what I said
2018-09-23T20:29:29Z amz3: it's smaller but not simpler
2018-09-23T20:29:44Z nanthil: thus far it has been simpler
2018-09-23T20:30:01Z amz3: nanthil: except you don't understand named-let IIUC
2018-09-23T20:30:11Z nanthil: because I've never seen it until right now
2018-09-23T20:30:16Z ecraven: gwatt: opengl for example does take actual 24 bit arrays
2018-09-23T20:30:20Z amz3: what book did you read about scheme?
2018-09-23T20:30:24Z nanthil: people typically don't understand things they're only presently introduced to
2018-09-23T20:30:35Z nanthil: most of sicp
2018-09-23T20:30:51Z wasamasa: sicp isn't about learning scheme, so it doesn't use named let or whatever else you'd actually use
2018-09-23T20:31:04Z nanthil: clearly
2018-09-23T20:31:08Z wasamasa: if you actually went through sicp's exercises, you should be pretty good at this recursion thing though
2018-09-23T20:31:10Z nanthil: that's why I'm here asking questions
2018-09-23T20:31:13Z Zipheir: If you’ve grasped SICP, you’ll grasp named let immediately.
2018-09-23T20:31:18Z wasamasa: so I suspect you just read it as if it were a normal book
2018-09-23T20:31:19Z nanthil: i'm totally comfortable with recursion
2018-09-23T20:31:21Z nanthil: jesus
2018-09-23T20:31:24Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T20:31:42Z nanthil: its really hard to have a sensible conversation with 20 people at the same time all saying and asking different things and peacemeal choosing what they address
2018-09-23T20:31:42Z wasamasa: yet you can't figure out how to write an indexed mapping function without a closure?
2018-09-23T20:31:52Z nanthil: because it isn't provided out of the box
2018-09-23T20:32:08Z wasamasa: yeah, that's what you use python for
2018-09-23T20:32:10Z nanthil: like in every mainstream language that I'm accustomed to
2018-09-23T20:32:17Z nanthil: yes, that's why I'm here asking
2018-09-23T20:32:19Z wasamasa: or any other mainstream language
2018-09-23T20:32:24Z nanthil: that's why I'm here
2018-09-23T20:32:32Z ecraven: nanthil: r7rs-large will change what is available in libraries. racket has just about everything you want, but it is not "standard" scheme
2018-09-23T20:32:32Z wasamasa: hint: scheme isn't one and won't be
2018-09-23T20:32:36Z nanthil: i'm not conflating anything, I'm simply speaking in terms that I understand
2018-09-23T20:32:58Z nanthil: in order to obtain information
2018-09-23T20:33:08Z wasamasa: empty your cup and go at it with a healthier mindset, like not solving things you'd do in a mainstream language
2018-09-23T20:33:15Z wasamasa: that will be less frustrating
2018-09-23T20:33:22Z ecraven: if you think Scheme doesn't have enough libraries, that's ok, feel free to choose any implementation you like (they all have a lot of libraries, just not portably) or none
2018-09-23T20:33:38Z amz3: nanthil: regular newbies come with a piece of code that doesn't work, and people respond with a piece of code that works.. but you come with nothing and a vague impression that you only skimmed over SICP
2018-09-23T20:33:51Z ecraven: wasamasa: I've done a lot of solving-things-other-people-would-use-mainstream-languages for, works well enough, and you get to learn a lot about interesting things
2018-09-23T20:34:11Z wasamasa: ecraven: sure, that's why I consider you an expert at this, unlike our questioner
2018-09-23T20:34:42Z ecraven: ;)
2018-09-23T20:34:53Z wasamasa: nanthil: why not start out with small problems, show code and get feedback on that code?
2018-09-23T20:35:02Z nanthil: that's because I'm not pretending to be an expert. I'm claiming to be a novice. a novice who is confused and tyring to ask questions based on my expereience thus far, and in terms that I understand
2018-09-23T20:35:18Z wasamasa: it's hard to discuss vague things with people who don't understand them
2018-09-23T20:35:35Z wasamasa: give us something tangible, that works better
2018-09-23T20:35:45Z amz3: like code
2018-09-23T20:35:53Z nanthil: asking people who have more experience than me the relationship of racket to scheme and wha tthe differences are generally isn't vague
2018-09-23T20:36:02Z wasamasa: you got the answers already
2018-09-23T20:36:07Z nanthil: sure, but then wer
2018-09-23T20:36:21Z nanthil: we're still travelling down this rabbit hole of what I'm REALLY asking
2018-09-23T20:36:24Z amz3: nanthil: it's big question, I have been using scheme for five years, I am not sure of the answer yet
2018-09-23T20:36:33Z wasamasa: nanthil: or rather, opinions
2018-09-23T20:36:41Z wasamasa: nanthil: because no, the differences aren't objective
2018-09-23T20:36:44Z Zipheir: amz3: live the question!
2018-09-23T20:36:51Z amz3: Zipheir: ?
2018-09-23T20:37:12Z amz3: Zipheir: I don't understand you last sentence.
2018-09-23T20:37:13Z Zipheir: amz3: Thoreau quote.
2018-09-23T20:37:54Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-23T20:38:24Z Zipheir: amz3: Oops, no, Rilke.
2018-09-23T20:38:45Z jcowan: gwatt: However, the memoization cache is not pure, and you may not want it filling up all of memory, hence bounded caches (FIFO, LRU, LCU, TTL, etc.)
2018-09-23T20:38:55Z Zipheir: amz3: "Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer."
2018-09-23T20:39:38Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T20:40:23Z amz3: Zipheir: neat!
2018-09-23T20:40:24Z Zipheir: Also, the answer is not three pounds of flax. The answer is FIVE TONS OF FLAX.
2018-09-23T20:41:30Z amz3: nanthil: like I have said to others before you, pick a project, look for the required feature in the different scheme implementation there is (racket included) and go with it
2018-09-23T20:52:51Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T20:55:20Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-23T20:57:41Z nly: hi guys :), why is there an eq? and equal?
2018-09-23T20:57:54Z amz3: different rules for equivalence
2018-09-23T20:58:33Z wasamasa: nly: sometimes you need to tell whether things are the same, sometimes whether they're equivalent
2018-09-23T20:58:37Z Zipheir: nly: Don't forget eqv?
2018-09-23T20:59:11Z amz3: I don't know the exact phrasing for defining the behavior of eq? and equal? ... FWIW, I use mostly equal?
2018-09-23T20:59:21Z nly: Oh
2018-09-23T21:00:11Z wasamasa: eq? is about identity (same object), eqv? for comparing simple values, equal? for comparing composite values, = for numbers, etc.
2018-09-23T21:00:40Z Zipheir: nly: https://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/The%20R5RS%20standard#equivalence-predicates
2018-09-23T21:01:15Z amz3: my understanding is that using eq? inplace of equal? is performance trick
2018-09-23T21:02:31Z nly: Reading that
2018-09-23T21:02:55Z Zipheir: IIRC jcowan is of the opinion that eq? should be dropped.
2018-09-23T21:04:06Z wasamasa: it comes in handy sometimes
2018-09-23T21:05:10Z wasamasa: just think of all the implementations of data structures relying on some sentinel value and checking for it
2018-09-23T21:09:06Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-23T21:09:54Z nly: amz3: how does that increase perf?
2018-09-23T21:10:49Z Zipheir: nly: eq? traditionally expresses pointer equality, so it can be a shortcut.
2018-09-23T21:12:36Z Zipheir: nly: R5RS: "Rationale: It will usually be possible to implement eq? much more efficiently than eqv?, for example, as a simple pointer comparison instead of as some more complicated operation."
2018-09-23T21:19:26Z amz3: that ^
2018-09-23T21:20:45Z aeth: In Lisp you think in pointers, but never work with pointers :-p
2018-09-23T21:21:15Z wasamasa: this goes for pretty much all higher-level languages
2018-09-23T21:21:29Z wasamasa: they adopted the lisp-style memory model were everything is pointers
2018-09-23T21:21:47Z aeth: other high level languages, especially the single-implementation ones, have lots of quirks and magic
2018-09-23T21:22:05Z aeth: it's very easy to get a consistent model of how things work with a Lisp, even a large one.
2018-09-23T21:22:11Z wasamasa: sure, but they still have the pointer chasing
2018-09-23T21:22:21Z wasamasa: http://canonical.org/~kragen/memory-models/
2018-09-23T21:22:32Z wongster80 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T21:23:00Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T21:23:19Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-23T21:23:25Z wasamasa: cobol is one of those I've yet to try, if only for its bizarre implementation of hierarchical memory
2018-09-23T21:28:06Z wongster80 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T21:29:21Z kjak: wasamasa: thanks for that link.  it looks like it will be an interesting read.
2018-09-23T21:29:43Z wasamasa: agreed, memory models is something I rarely thought about before
2018-09-23T21:32:01Z aeth: wasamasa: the problem with COBOL is that syntactically it's so... dated. like using words for arithmetic, which most of us agree is a bad idea and just makes it harder to understand
2018-09-23T21:32:18Z aeth: we need more languages that compile to COBOL!
2018-09-23T21:32:25Z aeth: call one ROBOscript or something. fun names.
2018-09-23T21:33:30Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-23T21:35:33Z wasamasa: I've yet to find a cobol tutorial that you can actually make sense of
2018-09-23T21:35:36Z Zipheir: Compile Haskell to COBOL and call it COMONAD.
2018-09-23T21:35:41Z wasamasa: lol
2018-09-23T21:36:04Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-23T21:40:44Z aeth: "ROBOscript" would replace "C" (Common?) with "R" for "Reinvented" and "L" (language) with "script"
2018-09-23T21:41:19Z aeth: oh no. The "CO" is common.
2018-09-23T21:47:42Z mwelt quit (Quit: Quit)
2018-09-23T21:52:49Z ecraven: jcowan: any plans for an srfi that contains bytevector-u16le-ref and friends?
2018-09-23T21:53:42Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-23T21:54:26Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T21:57:16Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-23T22:17:21Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-23T22:21:55Z manumanumanu quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-23T22:22:16Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-23T22:24:57Z mwelt joined #scheme
2018-09-23T22:26:40Z nanthil: I have a list of cons pairs
2018-09-23T22:26:52Z nanthil: ((a . b) (c . d) ...)
2018-09-23T22:27:06Z nanthil: how can I merge 2 of these lists into a single list
2018-09-23T22:27:16Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-23T22:27:20Z nanthil: a = ((a . b)) ((c . d))
2018-09-23T22:27:29Z nanthil: er... a = ((a . b))
2018-09-23T22:27:33Z nanthil: b = ((c . d))
2018-09-23T22:27:36Z nanthil: (join a b)
2018-09-23T22:27:44Z nanthil: ((a . b) (c . d))
2018-09-23T22:28:37Z rain1: append
2018-09-23T22:31:15Z aeth: nanthil: If you're looking for conciseness comparable to another language, then you probably shouldn't be using portable Scheme. Most of the convenient things are, at the very least, in a SRFI. The standard Scheme is a very tiny language.
2018-09-23T22:31:22Z aeth: nanthil: but, yes, that happens to be trivially just append
2018-09-23T22:31:50Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T22:32:15Z aeth: (once you even start loading SRFIs you start to enter the territory of non-portability... by the time you start loading other things you basically leave portability entirely)
2018-09-23T22:33:13Z manumanumanu joined #scheme
2018-09-23T22:37:13Z nanthil: assq is returning 1 value
2018-09-23T22:37:22Z nanthil: how do I get all associations in an association list
2018-09-23T22:37:22Z pjb: of course.
2018-09-23T22:37:28Z pjb: you don't.
2018-09-23T22:37:31Z wasamasa: provide an example
2018-09-23T22:37:33Z pjb: This is not how a-list works.
2018-09-23T22:37:42Z nanthil: I'm attempting to make a graph
2018-09-23T22:37:47Z wasamasa: the answer is probably: write your own function
2018-09-23T22:37:52Z pjb: Then implement a graph, not an a-list.
2018-09-23T22:38:11Z nanthil: I have a list of (a . b) pairs
2018-09-23T22:38:24Z nanthil: trying to find all (a . ?) in the list
2018-09-23T22:38:33Z nanthil: what data structure would you recommend pjb:
2018-09-23T22:38:50Z pjb: adjacency lists are good to implement graphs.
2018-09-23T22:38:57Z pjb: Sometimes matrices are better.
2018-09-23T22:39:07Z pjb: Depends on your graphs and the algorithms you have.
2018-09-23T22:39:53Z pjb: You could start with (make-graph) -> g  and (add-edge g from to) -> g'
2018-09-23T22:40:05Z nanthil: not a digraph
2018-09-23T22:40:07Z mwelt: isn't a "list of (a . b) pairs)" an adjacency list?
2018-09-23T22:40:09Z pjb: (edges g) --> list-of-edges
2018-09-23T22:40:34Z pjb: No, and adjacency list is a list of to nodes from the same from node.
2018-09-23T22:40:58Z pjb: more like: ((a (b c d)) (b (a d e)) (c (d)))
2018-09-23T22:41:07Z mwelt: ah i c
2018-09-23T22:42:08Z pjb: Now, you could keep a list of edges (from to) (or (from . to) if you want to spare one cell, but sometimes you want to label the edges, so using lists from the start is good: you can have (from to cost color) etc.
2018-09-23T22:42:38Z pjb: And then you can select edges on criteria, such as from, or to, or (from to), etc.
2018-09-23T22:43:49Z mwelt: and then you can go full rogue on TSP
2018-09-23T22:44:05Z pjb: But you would have abstractions such as node, edge, graph, set of nodes, set of edges, etc, and not work with a-lists or other low-level stuff.
2018-09-23T22:44:47Z pjb: sets or multi-sets too.
2018-09-23T22:53:42Z Zipheir: pjb: Nice use of rose trees.
2018-09-23T22:57:42Z Zipheir: Aside from Riastradh, can anyone in here fix the topic? 90% of the links are dead, and any topic would be more useful than a list of linkrot.
2018-09-23T23:01:08Z PyroLagus quit (Quit: ZNC / WeeChat)
2018-09-23T23:02:09Z wasamasa: I'm still saddened about library.readscheme.org passing away
2018-09-23T23:02:14Z nanthil: is there an equivalent to labels in CL for scheme?
2018-09-23T23:02:19Z wasamasa: letrec
2018-09-23T23:02:27Z PyroLagus joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:03:55Z wasamasa: you can use inner defines, too
2018-09-23T23:04:10Z wasamasa: I just doubt that will cover the recursive aspect
2018-09-23T23:04:47Z rain1: you can just use a set of mutually recursive functions, or letrec
2018-09-23T23:04:49Z Zipheir: wasamasa: Is it gone for good?
2018-09-23T23:04:58Z rain1: because in scheme you have proper tail calls
2018-09-23T23:05:12Z wasamasa: Zipheir: I've sent an email to the contact, but no reply so far
2018-09-23T23:05:30Z wasamasa: Zipheir: couldn't retrieve the contents from the last servers the dns records pointed to either
2018-09-23T23:05:55Z Zipheir: That sucks.
2018-09-23T23:06:43Z Zipheir: SchemeWiki’s still down as well. Possibly related?
2018-09-23T23:07:06Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:08:07Z siraben: Hey Zipheir, repl's done
2018-09-23T23:08:51Z Zipheir: siraben: Hey.
2018-09-23T23:08:55Z Zipheir: siraben: Good news!
2018-09-23T23:09:10Z siraben: Indeed
2018-09-23T23:09:37Z siraben: Managed to define "IF" and "THEN" statements, as usual.  It was a fun project.
2018-09-23T23:10:14Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T23:10:43Z Zipheir: siraben: You know what would be another fun TI project? Scheme.
2018-09-23T23:10:59Z siraben: O.O
2018-09-23T23:11:13Z siraben: Seems like it would be a little harder.
2018-09-23T23:11:14Z Duns_Scrotus: z80? more like zzzzzzzzzzzz80
2018-09-23T23:11:25Z Zipheir: Get dat GC.
2018-09-23T23:12:48Z siraben: Zipheir: I was reminded of https://github.com/marcpaq/arpilisp
2018-09-23T23:14:26Z siraben: Hmm.  Yeah.  GC would really be needed because I only have 760-ish bytes of RAM available, or I could statically allocate 10 KB in my program
2018-09-23T23:14:57Z Zipheir: Cool, ARM asm.
2018-09-23T23:15:43Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:15:48Z siraben: How would I do parsing?
2018-09-23T23:16:02Z siraben: That always is the hard part.
2018-09-23T23:16:26Z Zipheir: Not usually with lisp, but then I haven’t written a reader in asm.
2018-09-23T23:17:58Z Zipheir: It might have to be a minimal scheme, maybe not even as big as TinyScheme.
2018-09-23T23:22:34Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-23T23:24:47Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:27:20Z mwelt: I built a system for symbolic regression and curve extrapolation in scheme. sadly it's awefully slow on chez, and my cpu is 70% idle. is there a way to utilize multicore / parallelize some computations?
2018-09-23T23:27:58Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-23T23:30:41Z siraben: mwelt: Guile has parallel thread support, but people here might know of faster implementations
2018-09-23T23:30:50Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:35:41Z mwelt: siraben: I'll take a look ... thx
2018-09-23T23:36:12Z siraben` joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:36:15Z siraben` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T23:36:45Z mwelt: gdb is written in guile? nice
2018-09-23T23:37:12Z nanthil: does the body after a condition in cond behave as a progn?
2018-09-23T23:37:14Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-23T23:37:24Z nanthil: does progn exist in scheme?
2018-09-23T23:38:17Z wasamasa: it's called begin
2018-09-23T23:38:19Z siraben` joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:38:21Z siraben` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T23:38:22Z qu1j0t3: nanthil: I think the equivalent is (BEGIN ...)
2018-09-23T23:38:39Z wasamasa: and this kind of thing is answered by the standard
2018-09-23T23:38:49Z nanthil: in a cond, does it behave as (cond (<condition> <body>))
2018-09-23T23:38:52Z nanthil: or do I need to use begin
2018-09-23T23:39:01Z qu1j0t3: or a scheme text, I like "Programming in Scheme", Abelson & Eisenberg
2018-09-23T23:39:07Z qu1j0t3: & Sussman
2018-09-23T23:39:30Z siraben quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T23:39:35Z wasamasa: nanthil: have you decided on a standard yet?
2018-09-23T23:39:57Z nanthil: no because I can't differentiate between them because I don't understand the language enough yet
2018-09-23T23:40:31Z nanthil: am I not going to get an answer?
2018-09-23T23:41:21Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:41:43Z Duns_Scrotus: just google "scheme cond" and you will find documentation
2018-09-23T23:41:48Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-23T23:41:55Z Duns_Scrotus: and the top hit will be the racket website but their cond works just like the normal scheme cond
2018-09-23T23:42:05Z wasamasa: alright, then it's r5rs for you
2018-09-23T23:42:05Z Duns_Scrotus: i think
2018-09-23T23:42:08Z wasamasa: because r6rs is roughly 4x larger and r7rs-small 2x larger
2018-09-23T23:45:40Z siraben: Sorry I missed that, has something changed with cond?
2018-09-23T23:45:56Z rain1: no
2018-09-23T23:46:04Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-23T23:46:24Z siraben: Ok.
2018-09-23T23:50:05Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:50:22Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:54:10Z X-Scale: nanthil: http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/r5rs.pdf
2018-09-23T23:55:22Z X-Scale: nanthil: 50 pages only
2018-09-23T23:56:22Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-23T23:57:51Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-23T23:58:53Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:01:22Z Menche: huh r7rs is 88 pages
2018-09-24T00:02:48Z mange joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:03:53Z siraben: Scheme language specs are a pleasant read.
2018-09-24T00:04:01Z Menche: yes
2018-09-24T00:04:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:04:12Z Menche: very useful as a reference
2018-09-24T00:04:16Z siraben: I think another fun thing to read are the SRFIs
2018-09-24T00:05:33Z jcowan: siraben: Why, thank you
2018-09-24T00:05:43Z siraben: jcowan: :)
2018-09-24T00:05:50Z jcowan: nanthil: Yes
2018-09-24T00:07:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-24T00:10:41Z siraben quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-24T00:12:14Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T00:14:47Z nanthil quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-24T00:16:43Z rihannsu joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:19:12Z rihannsu quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T00:20:08Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T00:24:55Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:29:38Z zmt00 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:36:45Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:41:11Z szgyg quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T00:43:41Z szgyg joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:48:29Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-24T00:51:47Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T01:09:36Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T01:13:44Z nisstyre is now known as `nisstyre
2018-09-24T01:17:55Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T01:23:31Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-24T01:25:00Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-24T01:25:21Z llllllllllll: any chez users?
2018-09-24T01:33:18Z fadein quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-24T01:39:57Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T01:40:36Z zmt00 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-24T01:42:00Z gsl0 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T01:42:08Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T01:42:12Z `nisstyre is now known as nisstyre
2018-09-24T01:47:05Z gsl0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T01:48:48Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T01:53:34Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T01:56:46Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-24T01:59:22Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:02:12Z graingert15 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:04:04Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:06:09Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:06:42Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:10:27Z graingert15 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T02:12:02Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:12:12Z lavaflow quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-24T02:14:37Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:17:57Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T02:44:17Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:56:05Z robotoad_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:57:03Z fadein joined #scheme
2018-09-24T02:57:29Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T03:07:04Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T03:08:35Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T03:09:56Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T03:13:10Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-24T03:26:39Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-24T03:26:39Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T03:26:39Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-24T03:31:31Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T03:39:45Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T03:46:26Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T03:52:49Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T03:53:07Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T03:53:35Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-24T03:59:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:00:09Z jcowan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T04:06:43Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:28:52Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T04:29:29Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:39:42Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T04:44:16Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:44:45Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:45:17Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T04:55:24Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-24T04:55:39Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-24T05:03:34Z cemerick_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T05:06:47Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T05:13:00Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T05:18:51Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T05:30:03Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-24T05:40:03Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T05:41:26Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-24T05:51:09Z kasper^ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T05:55:23Z kasper^ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T06:00:47Z keep_learning_M quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T06:02:37Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:05:21Z jp quit (Quit: https://ptpb.pw/~docrivers.gif)
2018-09-24T06:07:57Z benwilson51222 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:09:11Z dada786410 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:10:27Z benwilson51222 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T06:11:28Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:11:35Z keep_learning_M quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T06:14:10Z dada786410 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-24T06:28:51Z Church-27 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:29:01Z Church-27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T06:51:29Z tmz4 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T06:54:54Z tmz4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T07:06:50Z akilsdonk18 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T07:08:34Z akilsdonk18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T07:23:18Z Guest19120 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T07:25:48Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T07:26:42Z Guest19120 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T07:27:34Z alphor quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T07:27:54Z dieggsy quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-24T07:28:43Z dieggsy joined #scheme
2018-09-24T07:29:37Z alphor joined #scheme
2018-09-24T07:30:06Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-24T07:34:05Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-24T07:54:43Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-24T07:59:27Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T08:04:58Z mange quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T08:05:13Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:05:47Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:07:08Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T08:14:32Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:21:18Z si1413 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:23:47Z si1413 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T08:37:22Z dieggsy quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-24T08:37:32Z alphor quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-24T08:37:41Z dieggsy joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:39:15Z alphor joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:42:12Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:42:57Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:46:26Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:48:51Z alphor quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T08:50:48Z alphor joined #scheme
2018-09-24T08:52:42Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-24T09:04:35Z Guest99097 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:04:44Z Guest99097 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T09:27:20Z keep_learning_M joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:28:34Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-24T09:28:50Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:30:39Z Abbott` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:32:11Z Abbott quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-24T09:32:11Z Abbott` is now known as Abbott
2018-09-24T09:39:28Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:40:29Z pips7 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:41:23Z pips7 quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
2018-09-24T09:57:10Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T09:59:48Z hiroki28 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T10:06:29Z hiroki28 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T10:30:03Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T10:34:01Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-24T10:44:37Z keep_learning_M quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-24T10:48:17Z llllllllllll quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T10:52:36Z InverseRhombus quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T10:57:05Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-24T11:03:03Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T11:12:11Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-24T11:17:22Z cemerick_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-24T11:34:42Z Guest36318 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T11:41:26Z Guest36318 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-24T11:55:52Z eddyb23 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T12:04:12Z eddyb23 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T12:18:36Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T12:27:00Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T12:38:47Z fgudin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T12:48:00Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T12:54:58Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-24T12:59:39Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T13:00:24Z fgudin joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:03:19Z llllllllllll joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:13:02Z ssake joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:15:44Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T13:16:01Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:37:20Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-24T13:40:48Z davexunit joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:46:00Z hallyn7 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:50:45Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-24T13:51:05Z hallyn7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T13:51:14Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-24T14:00:15Z srhb10 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T14:01:56Z srhb10 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-24T14:22:47Z xx4h17 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T14:31:42Z xx4h17 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-24T14:39:26Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T14:57:34Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T14:58:04Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:01:36Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T15:06:04Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:12:15Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:15:01Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T15:29:17Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T15:31:26Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:44:37Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T15:46:28Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:47:23Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-24T15:47:37Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:47:58Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-24T15:50:29Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:57:30Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:59:21Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T15:59:46Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-24T15:59:46Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T15:59:46Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-24T16:00:19Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-24T16:00:49Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-24T16:30:32Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T16:31:13Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T16:40:50Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T16:46:01Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T16:49:25Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-24T16:53:14Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-24T16:58:10Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T17:11:06Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T17:11:46Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-24T17:16:27Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T17:20:00Z klovett quit
2018-09-24T17:24:26Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-24T17:29:15Z ByronJohnson quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T17:29:24Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-24T17:30:55Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-24T17:37:56Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-24T17:58:40Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T18:05:30Z Abbott57 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:06:11Z Abbott57 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T18:06:11Z Abbott57 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:06:11Z Abbott57 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T18:06:11Z Abbott57 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:06:25Z Abbott57 left #scheme
2018-09-24T18:21:18Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:40:20Z vigilant25 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:41:09Z vigilant25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T18:44:30Z Abbott left #scheme
2018-09-24T18:53:01Z lays14712 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:56:45Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-24T18:57:42Z lays14712 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T18:59:18Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:02:43Z Roconda joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:06:41Z Roconda quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T19:11:33Z alezost` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:11:56Z alezost quit (Disconnected by services)
2018-09-24T19:12:00Z alezost` quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T19:12:00Z alezost` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:14:17Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T19:14:52Z Teeed24 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:18:10Z Teeed24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T19:23:47Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:29:58Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T19:35:28Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-24T19:49:25Z llllllllllll quit
2018-09-24T19:50:49Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-24T20:05:19Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T20:07:05Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T20:22:54Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-24T20:28:59Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-24T20:35:52Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-24T20:41:03Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-24T20:45:55Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-24T20:51:31Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-24T20:57:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-24T20:58:15Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T20:58:18Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-24T21:06:35Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:09:15Z weinholt quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:09:32Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:10:15Z Duns_Scrotus quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:10:49Z fowlduck quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:11:38Z Duns_Scrotus joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:11:55Z fowlduck joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:13:50Z weinholt joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:23:04Z cobax quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:27:54Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:28:07Z zakwilson15 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T21:33:16Z zakwilson15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T21:33:59Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:37:50Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T21:45:20Z robotoad_ quit (Quit: robotoad_)
2018-09-24T22:02:48Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-24T22:04:04Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-24T22:09:55Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:10:53Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-24T22:11:24Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T22:14:34Z ArneBab quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-24T22:15:57Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:15:57Z ArneBab quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T22:15:57Z ArneBab joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:27:04Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:39:56Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:43:12Z alezost` quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-24T22:47:08Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-24T22:48:11Z klovett_ quit
2018-09-24T22:49:12Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T22:52:42Z mario-go` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:52:43Z lloda` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:53:09Z vxe_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:53:28Z energizer_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:54:01Z yosafbridge` joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:55:36Z r0kc4t_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:55:39Z ineiros_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:55:41Z SirDayBa1 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:55:46Z mrush_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:56:12Z fgudin_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:56:17Z Zipheir_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:56:29Z rain2 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T22:59:11Z ventonegro_ joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z fgudin quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z Zipheir quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z energizer quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z yosafbridge quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z mrush quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z vxe quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z SirDayBat quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z ineiros quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z lloda quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z mario-goulart quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z rain1 quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z Kkiro quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z r0kc4t quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:00:51Z ventonegro quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-24T23:08:16Z energizer_ is now known as energizer
2018-09-24T23:18:32Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:18:32Z Kkiro quit (Changing host)
2018-09-24T23:18:32Z Kkiro joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:21:36Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-24T23:31:21Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T23:31:58Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:36:32Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:39:04Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-24T23:40:15Z qubenix15 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:42:55Z bjonnh22 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:43:32Z qubenix15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-24T23:49:01Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-24T23:50:23Z bjonnh22 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-24T23:50:23Z epony quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T00:11:55Z zmt00 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:13:10Z linka25 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:16:23Z linka25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T00:19:08Z terpri quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T00:25:36Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:35:00Z zmt00 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T00:36:54Z zmt00 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:42:31Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-25T00:43:27Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T00:44:35Z nanthil joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:48:40Z nanthil quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T00:49:01Z nanthil joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:49:21Z nanthil: are there web libraries for scheme? html js ui? are there desktop ui libraries?
2018-09-25T00:54:24Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T00:55:13Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:55:37Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-25T00:59:31Z daviid: nanthil: sure, most scheme offer web client/server modules ... for guile, look for guile core manual web related modules (doc available online), then gnu  artanis (web app framework) and haunt (static web pages generator)
2018-09-25T00:59:44Z daviid: nanthil: same for ui, in guile you may use guile-gnome
2018-09-25T01:01:46Z daviid: I'm sure racket has all this too, but I don't use racket
2018-09-25T01:14:11Z nanthil quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-25T01:15:31Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:20:48Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T01:20:49Z zmt01 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:22:15Z swinokur14 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:22:18Z zmt00 quit (Disconnected by services)
2018-09-25T01:22:51Z zmt01 quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T01:23:14Z Kkiro_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:24:12Z Kkiro quit (*.net *.split)
2018-09-25T01:27:05Z swinokur14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T01:28:41Z JohnML25 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:29:30Z JohnML25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T01:32:44Z jigp joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:36:58Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:38:48Z jigp quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T01:41:25Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:44:18Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-25T01:50:31Z atomizer23 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T01:51:40Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T01:53:05Z atomizer23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T01:55:19Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-25T02:01:50Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T02:19:30Z glamas joined #scheme
2018-09-25T02:27:27Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T02:28:19Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-25T02:30:48Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-25T02:30:50Z glamas quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-25T02:32:07Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T02:50:05Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T02:53:27Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T03:04:33Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:07:54Z juul25 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:12:22Z juul25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T03:24:02Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T03:24:32Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:24:33Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T03:24:34Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:32:37Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:38:07Z Fare joined #scheme
2018-09-25T03:56:03Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T04:07:24Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-25T04:53:59Z Fare quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-25T05:15:29Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-25T05:23:43Z holtmann29 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T05:24:43Z holtmann29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T05:49:17Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-25T05:49:24Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T05:51:48Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-25T05:55:23Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T06:02:59Z brettgilio joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:15:51Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:15:51Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T06:15:51Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:20:58Z brettgilio quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T06:37:14Z ventonegro_ left #scheme
2018-09-25T06:38:48Z ventonegro joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:41:30Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:45:35Z lloda` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T06:45:37Z zooey quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-25T06:45:43Z lloda` joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:46:06Z CoconutCrab joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:46:22Z lloda` left #scheme
2018-09-25T06:51:43Z zooey joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:55:17Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:55:17Z ozzloy quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T06:55:17Z ozzloy joined #scheme
2018-09-25T06:56:49Z amz3 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-25T07:12:18Z SirDayBa1 is now known as SirDayBat
2018-09-25T07:13:24Z damncourier joined #scheme
2018-09-25T07:15:07Z damncourier quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T07:22:46Z mario-go` quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1))
2018-09-25T07:23:19Z mario-goulart joined #scheme
2018-09-25T07:43:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T07:48:38Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-25T07:49:04Z bigfondue quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T07:53:22Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T07:57:34Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T07:59:45Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-25T08:04:58Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-25T08:10:19Z bigfondue joined #scheme
2018-09-25T08:20:25Z epony quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T08:37:53Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-25T08:42:14Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-25T08:53:36Z pie___ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T08:57:16Z pie__ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-25T08:57:33Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T08:58:20Z pie___ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T08:59:11Z pie___ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T09:06:03Z Kralian28 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T09:06:16Z skeezix-hf27 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T09:08:19Z skeezix-hf27 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-25T09:10:54Z Kralian28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T09:43:16Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-25T09:58:10Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:00:41Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:00:46Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:00:53Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T10:01:18Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T10:02:33Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T10:05:40Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:11:45Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:13:14Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:22:41Z tecneeq joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:26:47Z tecneeq quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T10:35:35Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:36:43Z DeepDiver21 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:38:18Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-25T10:40:57Z DeepDiver21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T10:50:45Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:51:02Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:51:08Z j3kyl_` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T10:52:14Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-25T10:52:46Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-25T11:00:06Z Guest10763 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T11:04:21Z Guest10763 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T11:07:56Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-25T11:08:32Z ozzloy quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T11:19:42Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T11:21:09Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T11:38:53Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T11:39:19Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T11:40:18Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-25T11:56:40Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-25T11:57:06Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T12:02:51Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:10:51Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T12:16:44Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T12:26:38Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:27:54Z j3kyl_` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T12:27:56Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:34:15Z fgudin_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T12:37:08Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:43:41Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T12:47:33Z fgudin joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:55:35Z djhworld29 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T12:55:49Z CoconutCrab quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-25T12:58:10Z djhworld29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T13:13:39Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:13:39Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T13:13:39Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:20:47Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:22:48Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:25:33Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:35:30Z CoconutCrab joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:39:09Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T13:40:50Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:43:41Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-25T13:47:27Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:53:48Z Guest77855 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T13:55:17Z Guest77855 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T13:56:35Z lockywolf_: Hi, guys. Is there any 'estableshed' way to call python from Scheme?
2018-09-25T13:59:15Z lockywolf_: Apart from wrapping it all in stdin/stdout and manual packing/unpacking of objects?
2018-09-25T14:04:42Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-25T14:13:41Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:15:33Z pjb: lockywolf could have had a look at CLAUDE, not scheme, but CL, but same principles could apply. https://www.nicklevine.org/claude/paper.pdf
2018-09-25T14:16:27Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T14:16:54Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:17:34Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T14:18:23Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:18:24Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T14:18:24Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:22:54Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T14:23:45Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:24:08Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:24:58Z amoe_ quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-25T14:25:23Z amoe joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:41:36Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T14:42:14Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:43:02Z bytesighs28 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:44:03Z esainane2 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:47:47Z bytesighs28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T14:51:45Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:51:50Z esainane2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T14:53:34Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T14:54:33Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T14:54:44Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T14:56:21Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T14:57:02Z hugo quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-25T15:00:00Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:02:08Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:09:42Z edgar-rft quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T15:14:44Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:16:09Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-25T15:23:07Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:27:16Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:30:33Z pie___ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T15:37:50Z pie_ quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
2018-09-25T15:38:09Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:42:56Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-25T15:43:23Z yan6 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:45:01Z yan6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T15:47:13Z thinkpad` joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:47:44Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:48:30Z thinkpad` quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T15:50:21Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:51:18Z amerigo quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T15:52:30Z amz3 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-25T15:53:10Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:56:04Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-25T15:56:42Z amerigo: is cons not a call-by-value function?
2018-09-25T16:00:29Z amerigo: if not
2018-09-25T16:00:32Z amerigo: how are
2018-09-25T16:00:33Z amerigo: (define x (list 'a 'b))
2018-09-25T16:00:33Z amerigo: (define z1 (cons x x))
2018-09-25T16:00:34Z amerigo: (define z2 (cons (list 'a 'b) (list 'a 'b)))
2018-09-25T16:00:39Z amerigo: z1 and z2 different?
2018-09-25T16:01:02Z amerigo: I mean I see that they are different, but I don't understand how, and why
2018-09-25T16:07:24Z pjb: amerigo: passing arguments to functions in lisp/scheme is always pass by value.
2018-09-25T16:08:25Z pjb: amerigo: how do you see them different?
2018-09-25T16:08:51Z pjb: Well, try: (eq? (car z1) (cdr z2)) and (eq? (car z2) (cdr z2))
2018-09-25T16:09:24Z pjb: and then:  (equal? (car z1) (cdr z2)) and (equal? (car z2) (cdr z2))
2018-09-25T16:09:32Z pjb: This is how they're different.
2018-09-25T16:09:45Z pjb: (eq? z1 z2?) ; trivially, and:
2018-09-25T16:09:48Z pjb: (equal? z1 z2)
2018-09-25T16:10:13Z amerigo: (define (set-to-wow! x) (set-car! (car x) 'wow) x)
2018-09-25T16:10:31Z amerigo: produces ((wow b) wow b)
2018-09-25T16:10:43Z amerigo: and ((wow b) a b)
2018-09-25T16:10:46Z ggole: amerigo: conses are mutable structures with identity in Scheme, so whether two conses are the same 'location' matters
2018-09-25T16:10:49Z amerigo: on z1 and z2
2018-09-25T16:11:11Z amerigo: (this is from SICP)
2018-09-25T16:11:20Z pjb: (define (give1)  '(a b))  (define (give2) (list 'a 'b))   (list (eq? (give1) (give1)) (eq? (give2) (give2)) (equal? (give1) (give1)) (equal? (give2) (give2)))
2018-09-25T16:11:45Z pjb: amerigo: what is the difference between give1 and give2 ?
2018-09-25T16:14:03Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T16:14:08Z amerigo: adress in memory?
2018-09-25T16:14:16Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T16:14:36Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-25T16:14:55Z pjb: amerigo: give1 always returns the same list (a b).  give2 creates a new list each time.
2018-09-25T16:15:10Z pjb: (eq? (give1) (give1)) -> #t because it is the same list.
2018-09-25T16:15:20Z amerigo: ok, got it
2018-09-25T16:15:24Z pjb: (eq? (give2) (give2)) -> #f because it returns two different lists.
2018-09-25T16:15:35Z pjb: In both case, equal? compares the elements of the list, so it finds them equal.
2018-09-25T16:17:10Z pjb: Arguments are passed by value.  But most values are references.  The only values that are not references, are actually immutable, such as numbers and characters (so it doesn't matter if they're copied or not).
2018-09-25T16:18:12Z pjb: But the pass by value means that a function cannot mutate the variables it doesn't have lexical access to.  Only the mutable values can be mutated, thru their reference.
2018-09-25T16:20:04Z amerigo: thank you, very clear explanation
2018-09-25T16:24:44Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-25T16:25:01Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T16:25:15Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-25T16:30:01Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-25T16:41:17Z siraben quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T16:47:10Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-25T17:03:28Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T17:04:40Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:18:33Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T17:21:12Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:28:49Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:33:12Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:33:28Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:40:08Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T17:41:49Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:44:20Z Zipheir_: pjb: Is '(a b) guaranteed to refer to a different list than (list a b)?
2018-09-25T17:44:41Z taylan: Zipheir_: yes, because 'list' always allocates fresh pairs
2018-09-25T17:45:08Z Zipheir_: taylan: Right.
2018-09-25T17:47:01Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-25T17:48:31Z Zipheir_: For some reason I expected that to be true because of some special quality of literal expressions, when it's of course because of list's semantics.
2018-09-25T17:50:07Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-25T17:53:44Z terpri joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:56:32Z Zipheir_ is now known as Zipheir
2018-09-25T17:57:27Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T17:58:39Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T17:58:59Z pjb: Zipheir: however, '(a b) and '(a b) can be the same list: different occurences of equal literals may be coalesed into a single object, (even parts of those literats), because they should be immutable.
2018-09-25T17:59:54Z pjb: so (eq? '(a b)  '(a b)) or even, (define (one) '(a b)) (define (two) '(a b)) (eq? (one) (two)) may return #t (probably only when compiled).
2018-09-25T18:00:42Z Zipheir: pjb: Right.
2018-09-25T18:01:13Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-25T18:02:23Z mindlesstux22 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T18:02:27Z Zipheir: pjb: I can't see a case wherein comparing two list literals wouldn't be a mistake, anyway.
2018-09-25T18:02:41Z mindlesstux22 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T18:04:18Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-25T18:05:41Z Zipheir: Since the rabbit hole yawns, what about (eq? '(a b c) `(a ,@(list 'b 'c)))
2018-09-25T18:23:41Z pjb: Zipheir: why not?
2018-09-25T18:24:04Z pjb: The thing is that list literals can be used as tail or in other non-literal lists.
2018-09-25T18:24:21Z pjb: So when you're processing a list, you can without knowing it have literal lists.
2018-09-25T18:26:24Z pjb: Zipheir: (define suffix '(the end)) (define prefix '(a beginning is a delicate thing)) (define list (append prefix '(foo bar baz) suffix))
2018-09-25T18:27:10Z pjb: list will have fresh conses, but only until baz. The cdr of the cons cell having baz as car, will refer the suffix literal!
2018-09-25T18:28:02Z pjb: So if you compare (eq? (cdr current) '(the end)) it may or may not return #t, depending on whether the compiler performs this coalescing optimization or not.
2018-09-25T18:28:51Z pjb: (eq? (cdr current) suffix) would be semantically correct as long as your lists are built so that suffix is a tail of them.
2018-09-25T18:29:11Z Zipheir: pjb: Interesting...
2018-09-25T18:29:16Z pjb: (equal? (cdr current) suffix) would work always, even if a mutable copy of the lists are obtained.
2018-09-25T18:30:08Z pjb: The case with ` is similar to append, since ` , ,@ may actually use the usual list construction operators such as append, list, cons, etc.
2018-09-25T18:30:52Z Zipheir: It would seem like the location of the conses in (append ...) depends on the implementation of append?
2018-09-25T18:31:52Z pjb: Scheme or lisp doesn't define notions such as location. AFAIK, lisp implementations could use wool threads to link its cons cells.
2018-09-25T18:31:55Z [KaY316] joined #scheme
2018-09-25T18:32:27Z pjb: Otherwise, r5rs append specifies clearly (as does CLHS), what cons cells are fresh cells, and what are reused.
2018-09-25T18:32:38Z pjb: Specifically: the last list is not copied, but directly used as a tail.
2018-09-25T18:32:57Z pjb: So (append (list foo) tail) is actually strictly equivalent to (cons foo tail).
2018-09-25T18:33:15Z Zipheir: Sorry, whether the conses in (append ...) are equal in the sense of eq? to the conses of the component lists.
2018-09-25T18:33:20Z pjb: (well, the result; in (append (list foo) tail) we allocate a temporary cons for (list foo).)
2018-09-25T18:33:43Z pjb: Zipheir: yes. append copies all the lists but the last one.
2018-09-25T18:34:43Z Zipheir: Right. R7 append: "... the resulting list is always newly allocated, except that it shares structure with the last argument."
2018-09-25T18:34:44Z pjb: So if you want an entirely fresh list, you must add '() to the arguments of append: (append a b c '()) will make an entirely fresh list.
2018-09-25T18:35:07Z pjb: It also allows you to build dotted-lists: (append '(1 2 3) 'd) #| --> (1 2 3 . d) |#
2018-09-25T18:35:07Z Zipheir: Fun trick.
2018-09-25T18:36:47Z [KaY316] quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T18:36:51Z Zipheir: Oh man, the algebraic functional programmer in me screams at the thought of (append lst '()) being meaningful.
2018-09-25T18:37:10Z Zipheir: (although in a functional world it of course isn't)
2018-09-25T18:39:53Z Zipheir: (meaningful as something other than the identity function on list, that is)
2018-09-25T18:40:12Z pjb: why not? you can add  as many '() as you want in the arguments to append, since () is the neutral element for concatenation.
2018-09-25T18:40:27Z pjb: (+ 1 0 2 0 3 0) (append a '() b '() c '()
2018-09-25T18:40:28Z pjb: )
2018-09-25T18:40:32Z pjb: same thing.
2018-09-25T18:41:04Z Zipheir: Of course. But the point is that (append lst '()) has the side effect of allocating a copy of lst.
2018-09-25T18:41:59Z gwatt: It doesn't have to
2018-09-25T18:43:45Z Zipheir: gwatt: The spec does say the value is a newly allocated list that shares structure with the last arg. Unless I'm misreading it.
2018-09-25T18:43:45Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-25T18:46:07Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-25T18:46:07Z Zipheir: rudybot: eval (let ((l '(a b c))) (eq? l (append l '())))
2018-09-25T18:46:08Z rudybot: Zipheir: ; Value: #f
2018-09-25T18:46:32Z gwatt: Oh, I guess that is what the standard says
2018-09-25T18:49:30Z thinkpad` joined #scheme
2018-09-25T18:49:38Z thinkpad` quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T18:51:03Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-25T18:58:19Z jcowan_: pjb: In fact, Scheme does talk about locations: a vector of length N contains N locations (updatable points), but a literal (immutable) vector has no locations.
2018-09-25T19:03:31Z jcowan_: Zipheir: As a functional programmer, you probably never want to look at any equivalence relation finer than `equal?`.
2018-09-25T19:04:23Z jcowan_: In DS*L, which is a dialect of Scheme without mutability, `eq?` and `eqv?` don't even exist, although things like them may be used as an optimization in the implementation of `equal?`.
2018-09-25T19:05:34Z jcowan_: (details on DS*L at https://bitbucket.org/cowan/r7rs-wg1-infra/src/default/DSSSLVsScheme.md)
2018-09-25T19:05:48Z Zipheir: jcowan_: Just so.
2018-09-25T19:05:54Z Zipheir: jcowan_: Thanks, looks interesting.
2018-09-25T19:06:35Z jcowan_: unfortunately, the exact behavior of equal? is not standardized on record types.
2018-09-25T19:08:27Z Zipheir: Is there any performance gain to using symbol=? rather than eq?/eqv? as a general practice?
2018-09-25T19:09:07Z jcowan_: Well, symbol=? does pretty much what eq? does, I would assume.
2018-09-25T19:09:23Z jcowan_: Eqv? is different: it is Schemes equivalence predicate.
2018-09-25T19:09:39Z jcowan_: A 3 is a 3 is a 3, but eq? can distinguish between them if that makes it faster.
2018-09-25T19:10:23Z jcowan_: In addition, if you have both unboxing and unsafe mode, symbol=? has undefined behavior on non-symbols, whereas eq? has to be universal.
2018-09-25T19:12:14Z OceanDrinker joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:12:30Z Zipheir: Ugh. So there's not really any good strictness reason to use symbol=?, since it can't be relied upon to error out on non-symbols.
2018-09-25T19:14:37Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:16:18Z OceanDrinker quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T19:17:02Z amerigo: anybody has this R. Kent Dybvig. A Scheme for native threads. In Symposium in Honor of Mitchell Wand, August 2009
2018-09-25T19:17:03Z amerigo: ?
2018-09-25T19:17:53Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:19:16Z wasamasa: is it a paper?
2018-09-25T19:20:00Z gwatt: amerigo: I've found the slides from the talk, but I don't know if there's a formal paper
2018-09-25T19:20:21Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:20:39Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:21:34Z amerigo: are there any code examples?
2018-09-25T19:22:04Z gwatt: I think the most notable example is already in the CSUG
2018-09-25T19:22:16Z gwatt: http://cisco.github.io/ChezScheme/csug9.5/threads.html#./threads:h7
2018-09-25T19:23:32Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T19:23:57Z amerigo: ok, thanks
2018-09-25T19:46:42Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T19:51:26Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T19:52:32Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:05:19Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:09:47Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:21:08Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:24:50Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T20:24:59Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:27:51Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:28:06Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T20:32:09Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:36:10Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:38:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:39:00Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-25T20:40:32Z jcowan_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T20:50:18Z delhage14 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T20:53:13Z delhage14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T20:58:00Z blt quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.0 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-25T20:59:27Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T20:59:41Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:09:55Z mejja quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:20:05Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T21:20:47Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:24:12Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T21:28:39Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T21:30:35Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T21:33:09Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:35:24Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:38:07Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:41:58Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T21:42:08Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:42:08Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T21:42:08Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:44:47Z danshtr|work2 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:44:53Z hugo1 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:45:41Z rhorama14 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:46:01Z hugo1 left #scheme
2018-09-25T21:46:16Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:46:38Z hugo joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:48:19Z danshtr|work2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:48:45Z rhorama14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:49:13Z teto1 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:52:14Z blt quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-25T21:52:34Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T21:53:59Z teto1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:54:09Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:54:10Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T21:54:10Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:55:34Z Tuba_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:55:47Z smazga quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T21:56:35Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-25T21:59:11Z Tuba_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T21:59:17Z blt quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-25T22:04:03Z auctus16 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:05:16Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:05:16Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T22:05:16Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:08:07Z auctus16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T22:08:50Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:16:46Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T22:17:15Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:18:41Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:18:53Z longshi quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-25T22:21:43Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:26:07Z blt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:27:42Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:28:20Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:28:29Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:28:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-25T22:29:10Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:29:10Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T22:29:10Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:31:16Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:34:38Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:36:39Z ober joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:41:42Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T22:45:00Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:48:23Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-25T22:48:23Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:49:04Z blt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T22:55:45Z derchris14 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T22:58:08Z derchris14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:00:03Z ashkitten12 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:00:07Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-25T23:01:19Z ashkitten12 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T23:09:52Z jp quit (Quit: https://ptpb.pw/~docrivers.gif)
2018-09-25T23:10:48Z avarage0 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:14:35Z avarage0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:18:37Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:18:41Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:18:41Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-25T23:18:41Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:25:04Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:26:48Z xo17 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:28:22Z xo17 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-25T23:30:25Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:31:08Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:31:28Z rnoriega10 joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:32:04Z DacoTaco joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:32:54Z mejja quit
2018-09-25T23:34:04Z rnoriega10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:35:12Z DacoTaco quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:35:47Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-25T23:37:51Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:38:20Z OY1R\MM joined #scheme
2018-09-25T23:38:40Z OY1R\MM quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:41:52Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-25T23:47:13Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-25T23:56:20Z quipa quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-25T23:57:28Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-26T00:02:10Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:07:04Z blt quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-26T00:07:59Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:08:00Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-26T00:08:00Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:09:36Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T00:11:35Z blt- joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:12:50Z blt quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T00:17:26Z aggi22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:18:07Z aggi22 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T00:24:42Z farcaller28 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:28:32Z farcaller28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T00:45:02Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:52:59Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-26T00:54:37Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T00:57:59Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:08:21Z Relicka4 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:09:19Z Relicka4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:11:34Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:12:18Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T01:12:33Z StockAntenna1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:13:03Z pilcrow joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:14:24Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:15:26Z smazga quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-26T01:16:33Z StockAntenna1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:17:04Z schinckel4 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:18:03Z Abbott joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:18:09Z Abbott left #scheme
2018-09-26T01:20:56Z schinckel4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:24:53Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:36:26Z wopr3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:38:51Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T01:41:06Z wopr3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:43:24Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T01:45:58Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:46:20Z jp quit (Quit: https://ptpb.pw/~docrivers.gif)
2018-09-26T01:46:38Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T01:48:27Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T01:48:31Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:49:12Z blt- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T01:49:26Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:49:27Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-26T01:49:27Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:49:39Z Steverman20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:49:47Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T01:50:30Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:50:33Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:53:00Z Steverman20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T01:57:54Z wash[m]20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T01:59:21Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:00:32Z Emil27 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:00:36Z wash[m]20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T02:02:47Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:04:28Z Emil27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T02:09:40Z blt quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T02:10:09Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:10:09Z blt quit (Changing host)
2018-09-26T02:10:10Z blt joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:13:00Z tcsc28 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:13:53Z tcsc28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T02:19:57Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:24:30Z jcob quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-26T02:32:21Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T02:32:34Z venb21 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:32:37Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:34:07Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:37:23Z venb21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T02:41:56Z preaction9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:44:20Z preaction9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T02:45:15Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:54:00Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T02:54:05Z tsaavik3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:54:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T02:54:52Z tsaavik3 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T03:05:10Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:06:18Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-26T03:07:12Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:08:17Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T03:10:26Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T03:13:42Z ksa26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:14:22Z Zergnomen15 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:15:58Z ksa26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T03:17:40Z Zergnomen15 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T03:22:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T03:44:58Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T03:45:13Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:45:47Z marusich joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:45:51Z Nebraskka24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:46:18Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-26T03:47:10Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T03:47:27Z pierpal quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-26T03:47:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:47:52Z Nebraskka24 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T03:49:47Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T03:53:28Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T03:53:43Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:53:43Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T03:54:16Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-26T04:06:05Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T04:06:42Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T04:29:41Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T04:38:53Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-26T04:40:07Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T04:40:07Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-26T05:11:07Z a1berto17 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T05:11:53Z a1berto17 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T05:13:12Z Guest13624 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T05:21:43Z Guest13624 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-26T05:25:15Z drablyechos joined #scheme
2018-09-26T05:28:43Z drablyechos quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T05:44:59Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-26T05:47:55Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-26T05:49:34Z veeti0 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T05:52:44Z veeti0 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T06:06:36Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-26T06:14:56Z skunkworks20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:15:24Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:19:04Z skunkworks20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T06:21:27Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T06:22:00Z oelewapperke1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:25:51Z oelewapperke1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T06:26:17Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:27:48Z dhollin3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:29:02Z dhollin3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T06:39:39Z Guest16422 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:43:23Z Guest16422 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T06:44:35Z pinnen20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:48:50Z ventures14 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T06:48:53Z pinnen20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T06:51:09Z ventures14 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T07:01:27Z bylzz20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:01:47Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T07:04:30Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:05:20Z bylzz20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:08:20Z luigi11115 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:08:31Z luigi11115 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:08:58Z gehidore26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:11:25Z gehidore26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:14:32Z simfir3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:17:39Z saq16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:21:12Z saq16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:22:48Z simfir3 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-26T07:23:45Z foo4 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:29:32Z foo4 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T07:38:57Z twan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:42:33Z twan_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:46:24Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-26T07:52:46Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:55:29Z magz joined #scheme
2018-09-26T07:56:14Z magz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T07:56:18Z McDonaldsWiFi24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:00:00Z McDonaldsWiFi24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:03:36Z av64 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:07:10Z av64 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:10:07Z agonzalez joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:10:55Z marusich quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-26T08:13:23Z agonzalez quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:23:06Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T08:23:32Z Guest44354 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:23:51Z Ericthebeast13 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:24:23Z Ericthebeast13 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T08:24:45Z Myrth16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:27:04Z Guest44354 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:28:46Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:29:27Z Myrth16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:32:32Z iownall5559 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:32:52Z iownall5559 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T08:35:40Z mikeplus6420 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:36:23Z bor0 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:37:17Z mikeplus6420 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:37:38Z jim quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:37:48Z Phischi20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:40:10Z Phischi20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T08:40:38Z lu_zero19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:43:45Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:44:36Z exos3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:44:39Z lu_zero19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:45:59Z exos3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:49:21Z b3n4kh11 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:49:39Z Meatballs9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:50:13Z Naama20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:50:51Z b3n4kh11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:51:24Z Naama20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:51:37Z noeatnosleep10 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:52:56Z Meatballs9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:54:36Z grummund9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:54:56Z noeatnosleep10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T08:55:04Z EDinNY joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:56:09Z EDinNY quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T08:56:44Z grummund9 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T08:57:59Z soulz15 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:58:48Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:59:17Z MrGeneral5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T08:59:53Z MrGeneral5 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T09:01:06Z dkg15 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:01:33Z soulz15 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T09:01:56Z dkg15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:02:20Z SoCo_cpp_25 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:04:51Z SoCo_cpp_25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:06:38Z qsx28 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:09:23Z qsx28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:10:36Z Ogma-14 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:13:27Z line1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:14:17Z Ranhir27 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:15:30Z Ogma-14 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T09:17:30Z Ranhir27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:18:19Z line1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:26:53Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T09:31:56Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T09:32:35Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:35:53Z RoBz25 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:36:17Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:36:32Z RoBz25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:38:09Z slyfox23 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:42:13Z slyfox23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:46:37Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:47:44Z mthl joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:47:57Z hunterco1l joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:48:43Z wHiTeHand18 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:49:08Z wHiTeHand18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:49:24Z hunterco1l quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:50:51Z ASucAL joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:52:44Z ASucAL quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T09:53:50Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-26T09:59:06Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:00:24Z bor0 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-26T10:05:08Z setient16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:08:45Z setient16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:08:54Z Tazy19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:09:50Z obiwahn7 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:11:13Z Tazy19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:13:08Z nahamu24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:14:31Z obiwahn7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:17:41Z nahamu24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:21:24Z devx18 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:22:41Z Nnavd13 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:23:51Z devx18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:24:22Z Nnavd13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:25:16Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T10:25:59Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-26T10:27:21Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T10:27:50Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:28:25Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:33:10Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-26T10:37:14Z mbecroft4 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:41:57Z mbecroft4 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T10:54:08Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T10:54:52Z eleet20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:55:39Z vegardx2 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:56:38Z eleet20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T10:59:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T10:59:55Z vegardx2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:02:36Z srid9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:03:23Z srid9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:06:40Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-26T11:13:12Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:14:17Z danemacmillan8 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:15:27Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:18:48Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:18:48Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-26T11:18:48Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:19:00Z danemacmillan8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:20:18Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-26T11:28:24Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:31:32Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T11:36:27Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:41:06Z ejsf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:41:39Z Adoray_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:42:59Z ejsf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:43:17Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:44:59Z wigust- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T11:45:53Z Adoray_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T11:45:55Z Urvelniel24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:46:18Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:46:38Z Urvelniel24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:51:34Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T11:51:52Z mthl quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:53:26Z MattMan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:53:52Z ohama quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-26T11:54:56Z ohama joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:55:03Z r0kc4t joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:55:16Z r0kc4t quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T11:57:09Z kpuc4 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:58:04Z lagothrix1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T11:58:54Z lagothrix1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:00:17Z kpuc4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:00:42Z MattMan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T12:07:20Z kubaxvx joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:09:49Z kubaxvx quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:10:24Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:11:24Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-26T12:16:42Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:26:48Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:28:05Z Tonnes29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:28:08Z Tonnes29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:29:07Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:29:25Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:39:07Z OutBackDingo29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:39:46Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T12:40:12Z v01t13 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:41:58Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:43:34Z v01t13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:46:44Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-26T12:47:04Z OutBackDingo29 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-26T12:48:08Z gh0sts13 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:48:23Z kiko joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:48:53Z Loshki5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:49:53Z gh0sts13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:50:07Z Loshki5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T12:57:25Z hop26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T12:57:53Z kiko quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T12:57:59Z hop26 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T13:00:44Z stefen joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:01:43Z stefen quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:02:46Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:05:34Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T13:06:08Z IvailoStoianov5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:06:57Z tyil9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:07:34Z IvailoStoianov5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:08:05Z tyil9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:11:57Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:12:25Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:13:34Z ioria24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:15:04Z ioria24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:15:30Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-26T13:18:36Z Abitbol22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:18:43Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:20:24Z klovett__ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:21:25Z Abitbol22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:22:16Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-26T13:23:47Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T13:25:11Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:27:50Z htols6 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:28:42Z kPa9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:30:08Z drsn0w28 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:30:23Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:30:36Z egon10245 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:30:53Z egon10245 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:31:28Z ledeni14 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:31:29Z htols6 quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
2018-09-26T13:32:44Z drsn0w28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:33:36Z ledeni14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:33:39Z kPa9 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T13:36:51Z ffx__ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:38:31Z sigmundv_29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:38:56Z sigmundv_29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:39:34Z ffx__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T13:40:21Z pgiarrusso19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:41:42Z mvantellingen11 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:43:47Z pgiarrusso19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:45:26Z MJD22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:46:22Z mvantellingen11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:46:52Z gkra29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:48:26Z MJD22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:50:29Z gkra29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:51:30Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:53:22Z totalmongobaer joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:53:26Z jwacalex22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T13:54:17Z jwacalex22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T13:58:09Z totalmongobaer quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T14:01:20Z byte512_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:02:30Z byte512_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T14:03:42Z engblom20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:03:43Z engblom20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T14:05:34Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T14:09:51Z fersingb22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:11:19Z fersingb22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T14:16:15Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:34:10Z SimonVT29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:35:03Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof)
2018-09-26T14:35:20Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:36:58Z SimonVT29 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T14:51:16Z Hail_Spacecake8 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:53:57Z Hail_Spacecake8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T14:54:11Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:55:33Z fringe joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:55:42Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-26T14:56:35Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:56:57Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-26T14:57:30Z fringe quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:09:16Z lexileo19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:09:31Z lexileo19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:12:35Z z01d joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:14:20Z z01d quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:16:32Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:19:05Z DJClean7 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:20:28Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:23:45Z am0nrahx1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:23:54Z DJClean7 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T15:24:49Z am0nrahx1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:27:11Z jeekl joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:29:02Z catmando29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:29:24Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:29:47Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T15:29:56Z jeekl quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:32:24Z oPossum51500 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:32:44Z catmando29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:35:33Z Adobeman19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:37:06Z oPossum51500 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:38:22Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T15:40:03Z Adobeman19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:41:07Z cdal20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:42:28Z jidar16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:42:33Z cdal20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:45:27Z LeoTh3o23 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:45:30Z LeoTh3o23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:46:08Z jidar16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:49:08Z g3kk3r16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:50:58Z g3kk3r16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T15:52:52Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:54:50Z sethalves joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:55:08Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-26T15:55:26Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T15:55:56Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-26T15:58:50Z Vornucopia joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:00:04Z haircode joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:00:23Z haircode quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:01:24Z Vornucopia quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:01:35Z alexandre909918 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:02:05Z alexandre909918 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:15:01Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:15:46Z reem_10 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:16:05Z gwatt: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/little-typer
2018-09-26T16:16:26Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T16:16:45Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:17:19Z zap25 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:18:16Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:18:27Z reem_10 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T16:20:48Z zap25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:21:37Z liuyb1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:22:39Z r4ph20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:23:04Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T16:23:30Z r4ph20 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T16:23:34Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T16:24:31Z liuyb1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:27:06Z uZer0 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:27:59Z jimmm joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:29:03Z joeytwiddle11 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:30:27Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T16:32:23Z uZer0 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T16:33:12Z joeytwiddle11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:40:23Z cmaloney: I find MIT press frustratingly analog when it comes to these books
2018-09-26T16:41:11Z Mrdoor joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:41:32Z Mrdoor quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:45:04Z gihel joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:45:12Z majorshake joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:46:04Z majorshake quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:46:44Z jimmm quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-26T16:47:51Z Zipheir: Analog as in there’s no digital edition?
2018-09-26T16:48:28Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:48:54Z gihel quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T16:53:34Z PunkiD29 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T16:54:11Z klovett__ quit
2018-09-26T16:54:57Z PunkiD29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T16:58:33Z cmaloney: None that they sell directly
2018-09-26T16:59:22Z cmaloney: and also DRM protected
2018-09-26T16:59:32Z gwatt: They do have "Open Access" books, which appear to just be web pages
2018-09-26T17:07:22Z jim joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:08:17Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:11:02Z sage_24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:12:58Z sage_24 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T17:15:44Z zombah19 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:18:01Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T17:18:11Z martin--t joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:19:11Z zombah19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:20:42Z martin--t quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:26:48Z Zipheir: cmaloney: Yeah, that sucks.
2018-09-26T17:29:15Z Zipheir: MIT is just inconsistent: they've done a great job with Open CourseWare and their various Creative Commons books, but then they do stuff like that.
2018-09-26T17:31:07Z escape joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:31:24Z escape quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:31:33Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:31:38Z tomocha___21 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:31:49Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:33:55Z Duns_Scrotus: MIT is a university and MIT Press is a publisher
2018-09-26T17:34:26Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:35:55Z joehh joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:36:07Z tomocha___21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:36:14Z eherget10 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:36:36Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-26T17:37:52Z joehh quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:38:59Z eherget10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:39:01Z Zipheir: I meant MIT Press.
2018-09-26T17:39:26Z Zipheir: But yeah, OCW is a university project IIRC.
2018-09-26T17:40:43Z Zipheir: And considering the volume and quality of material released by OCW, it begs the question of 'why does MIT Press exist, anyway?'
2018-09-26T17:41:52Z CoolWhip joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:44:45Z CoolWhip quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:45:07Z Zenton quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T17:47:07Z dandan8623 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:47:20Z circ-user-fP1zU joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:48:16Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-26T17:50:11Z circ-user-fP1zU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T17:50:58Z guelfey joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:51:25Z guelfey quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T17:52:39Z grug12 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T17:53:44Z dandan8623 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T17:57:05Z grug12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:04:26Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:04:32Z Bathmat22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:05:01Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-26T18:06:04Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:06:22Z knocte7 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:06:40Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:07:09Z Bathmat22 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T18:07:48Z drewc joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:09:12Z knocte7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:11:32Z Steejo13 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:13:08Z Steejo13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:13:15Z shtouff20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:15:11Z shtouff20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:18:08Z mys_721tx3 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:18:23Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:21:07Z lme9 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:22:56Z lme9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:23:21Z mys_721tx3 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T18:34:29Z f91w26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:38:34Z samtunez_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:38:53Z samtunez_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:39:21Z f91w26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:39:52Z antoszka15 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:40:51Z siiiilky8 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:41:13Z iamdevnul0 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:41:30Z siiiilky8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:42:03Z iamdevnul0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:43:17Z antoszka15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:44:37Z mrush_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-26T18:45:43Z barcraw16 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:45:55Z barcraw16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:50:05Z ski quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T18:50:23Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:50:39Z anthk_7 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:51:47Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T18:53:53Z furntree22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T18:54:06Z anthk_7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:54:07Z furntree22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T18:58:46Z kslen joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:01:29Z hoho`2 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:01:38Z kslen quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:05:32Z hoho`2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:08:06Z Yotson14 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:08:19Z cesardv_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:08:51Z ski joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:10:30Z Yotson14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:10:32Z cesardv_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T19:10:35Z thecoffemaker11 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:10:39Z thecoffemaker11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:11:40Z Comnenus1 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:13:26Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:13:44Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:15:11Z Comnenus1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:15:12Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T19:15:23Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-26T19:16:42Z kirkland6 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:17:00Z TheJH joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:17:16Z TheJH is now known as Guest26516
2018-09-26T19:20:35Z kirkland6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:20:35Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:21:53Z Guest26516 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T19:26:20Z mrush joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:26:43Z mrush is now known as Guest71026
2018-09-26T19:29:38Z milesrout15 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:29:57Z milesrout15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:34:32Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T19:38:49Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:42:29Z J-BBBB joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:46:23Z TheresaJayne21 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:47:30Z krill21 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:50:20Z TheresaJayne21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:50:29Z J-BBBB quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-26T19:51:56Z krill21 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T19:52:25Z DHE26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:53:34Z anonzadas5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:54:47Z PricklyPear20 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:55:20Z don_quixote joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:56:20Z don_quixote quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:56:20Z sjoerd27 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:56:53Z DHE26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:57:27Z anonzadas5 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T19:58:29Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-26T19:58:33Z sjoerd27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T19:58:34Z PricklyPear20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T20:01:41Z Guest28013 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:02:52Z Guest28013 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:10:22Z viq26 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:10:44Z pixelheresy joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:14:03Z pixelheresy quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T20:15:28Z viq26 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T20:18:32Z longshi quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-26T20:21:06Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T20:24:36Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:25:07Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:28:05Z piro_5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:32:46Z piro_5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:37:07Z boris7 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:40:58Z boris7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:45:18Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:46:43Z kurgan27 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:49:14Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T20:50:09Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:51:06Z kurgan27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:52:47Z micurtis21 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:53:56Z lambda-11235 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-26T20:54:49Z Soni_24 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:55:09Z micurtis21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T20:57:19Z Nomads joined #scheme
2018-09-26T20:57:20Z Soni_24 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T20:58:20Z Nomads quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T21:04:21Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-26T21:14:45Z goiken23 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T21:15:02Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-26T21:17:54Z goiken23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T21:20:01Z stefanotorresi22 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T21:20:04Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T21:20:25Z stefanotorresi22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-26T21:50:53Z hsmiths5 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T21:52:11Z hsmiths5 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-26T21:52:54Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-26T21:56:51Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-26T21:56:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-26T21:57:23Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-26T22:11:55Z Inline quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-26T22:13:06Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T22:21:33Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T22:22:38Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-26T22:27:41Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T22:33:48Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T22:34:06Z klovett quit
2018-09-26T22:40:04Z groovy2shoes quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-26T22:41:19Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-26T23:23:55Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-26T23:25:00Z comatekeke2 joined #scheme
2018-09-26T23:25:31Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-26T23:27:30Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-26T23:28:32Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-26T23:28:44Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-26T23:32:05Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-26T23:33:23Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-26T23:37:04Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-26T23:38:27Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-27T00:14:14Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:16:04Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T00:19:05Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:19:06Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:21:39Z mentat29 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:25:38Z mentat29 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T00:40:30Z rhpot199119 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:41:30Z rhpot199119 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T00:44:15Z specing17 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T00:45:33Z specing17 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-27T00:49:27Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T01:20:03Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T01:21:10Z emar quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-27T01:25:57Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T01:25:57Z jcowan quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T01:30:07Z lavaflow_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T01:31:34Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T01:32:01Z jcowan_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T01:34:26Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-27T01:35:50Z comatekeke2 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-27T01:37:33Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T01:57:06Z Orez27 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T02:00:01Z Orez27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T02:04:13Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T02:05:06Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T02:06:16Z lucyoa joined #scheme
2018-09-27T02:06:33Z lucyoa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T02:20:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T02:28:35Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T02:33:27Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T02:35:59Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T02:38:50Z evbogue joined #scheme
2018-09-27T02:39:42Z evbogue quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T02:51:05Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T03:05:07Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T03:15:01Z fluffypoodle789 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T03:17:23Z fluffypoodle789 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T03:18:33Z Budgii26 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T03:25:51Z Budgii26 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-27T03:47:52Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:03:49Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:05:49Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:11:15Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T04:14:10Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:21:52Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:25:37Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T04:27:03Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T04:57:33Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T04:57:33Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-27T04:57:33Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:05:17Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T05:20:05Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:23:31Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-27T05:23:54Z ip_forwa1d joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:25:03Z ip_forwa1d quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T05:28:25Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T05:29:09Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:33:49Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T05:36:32Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:39:16Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-27T05:51:24Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T06:28:07Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T06:34:05Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-27T06:48:45Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-27T06:50:24Z abbe quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T06:50:29Z vanvex15 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T06:50:35Z abbe joined #scheme
2018-09-27T06:52:42Z vanvex15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T06:52:52Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T06:53:34Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:01:55Z avoidr3 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:02:08Z Guest71026 left #scheme
2018-09-27T07:03:39Z avoidr3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T07:11:22Z warsh11 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:16:00Z warsh11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T07:20:01Z revprez_stg6 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:24:04Z revprez_stg6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T07:25:18Z vyzo: hey fellas
2018-09-27T07:25:32Z vyzo: a recent Gerbil development that might be of interest to the broader scheme community
2018-09-27T07:25:39Z vyzo: Gerbil now supports protobuf in the stdlib
2018-09-27T07:25:59Z vyzo: which means you can import protobufs directly by slapping a `#lang :std/protobuf/proto` on top
2018-09-27T07:26:12Z vyzo: it's also a great example of a custom language in Gerbil
2018-09-27T07:26:20Z vyzo: this is the parser definition:
2018-09-27T07:26:29Z vyzo: https://github.com/vyzo/gerbil/blob/master/src/std/protobuf/proto-grammar.ss
2018-09-27T07:26:46Z vyzo: the other interesting development is that we now have libp2p bindings for the nascent libp2p daemon
2018-09-27T07:26:57Z vyzo: https://github.com/vyzo/gerbil-libp2p
2018-09-27T07:27:06Z wasamasa: what is libp2p for, torrents?
2018-09-27T07:27:14Z vyzo: that means you can now write Gerbil p2p applications that utilize the ipfs network stuff!
2018-09-27T07:27:17Z vyzo: it's the ipfs network stack
2018-09-27T07:27:21Z vyzo: used by ipfs and filecoin
2018-09-27T07:27:29Z vyzo: and likely ethereum 2.0
2018-09-27T07:30:00Z jupart11 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:30:54Z jupart11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T07:32:55Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:55:29Z davdunc9 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T07:55:45Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T08:00:13Z davdunc9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T08:00:47Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:07:04Z Ferocanis22 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:08:24Z Ferocanis22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T08:26:08Z symb0l joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:27:07Z symb0l quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-27T08:35:37Z LambdaComplex29 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:39:27Z LambdaComplex29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T08:45:14Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:48:55Z TA20 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T08:50:17Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T08:51:55Z TA20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T08:55:21Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:03:45Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-27T09:05:27Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:09:42Z jhujhiti29 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:10:32Z jhujhiti29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T09:15:11Z challene joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:18:04Z challene quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T09:21:36Z JinnX9 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:24:29Z JinnX9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T09:28:09Z groovy2shoes quit (Quit: moritura te salutat)
2018-09-27T09:29:05Z Ducky^14 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:31:03Z Ducky^14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T09:42:53Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-27T09:47:00Z pchiusano joined #scheme
2018-09-27T09:48:58Z pchiusano quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-27T09:53:19Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-27T09:59:10Z vqrs11 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T10:02:27Z vqrs11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T10:02:27Z MrSilverhouse joined #scheme
2018-09-27T10:06:14Z MrSilverhouse quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T10:07:17Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-27T10:11:26Z yomisei1 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T10:13:15Z yomisei1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T10:14:12Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:05:17Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:08:34Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T11:09:36Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:15:47Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:32:21Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-27T11:34:01Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T11:34:26Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:39:51Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T11:49:31Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:00:46Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T12:00:47Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:00:48Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-27T12:00:48Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:07:03Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:14:16Z vali joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:16:00Z longshi quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T12:17:09Z vali quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T12:17:37Z darkstalker0 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:19:00Z lritter quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-27T12:19:22Z darkstalker0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T12:19:26Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:20:07Z jcowan_ quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-27T12:21:29Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T12:26:39Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-27T12:27:01Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:27:29Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:30:49Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:32:50Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T12:44:08Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:13:37Z groovy2shoes joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:14:16Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:21:30Z scroll2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:22:39Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T13:32:55Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:35:24Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T13:36:00Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:43:32Z yoke19 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:46:40Z yoke19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T13:52:40Z jamesrichardson5 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:53:53Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-27T13:56:53Z jamesrichardson5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T14:00:23Z mattl0 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:02:42Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:03:22Z mattl0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T14:09:10Z takinbo20 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:12:46Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:12:51Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T14:12:53Z takinbo20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T14:14:14Z fadein quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:17:33Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:34:55Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:36:40Z bmjen joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:37:14Z bmjen quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T14:39:23Z fadein joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:40:17Z zju_x25 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:42:13Z zju_x25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T14:46:08Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:47:54Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:50:31Z pierpal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T14:50:49Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:54:43Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-27T14:55:30Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T14:55:45Z civodul quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T14:56:59Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:05:03Z vyzo quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T15:06:57Z vyzo joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:21:07Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:22:19Z comatekeke quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-27T15:24:33Z averell quit (Quit: .)
2018-09-27T15:25:02Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:27:16Z Dash_Merc15 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:30:08Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T15:31:08Z Dash_Merc15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T15:32:47Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:36:18Z averell joined #scheme
2018-09-27T15:55:48Z jcowan_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T15:58:22Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:01:14Z Guest30895 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:01:42Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:02:19Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-27T16:03:22Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:03:40Z Guest30895 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T16:04:55Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-27T16:07:07Z skelltin17 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:09:31Z skelltin17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T16:26:16Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:28:44Z evilgohan21 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:30:10Z evilgohan21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T16:40:59Z jcowan_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:47:37Z amerigo joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:54:09Z Lochnair13 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T16:54:30Z Lochnair13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:02:44Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:05:03Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:06:38Z tristanrhodes_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:06:44Z ludovicchabant joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:07:08Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-27T17:08:25Z tristanrhodes_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:08:44Z ludovicchabant quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:09:24Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-27T17:13:51Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:17:36Z klovett quit
2018-09-27T17:22:29Z jcowan_ is now known as jcowan
2018-09-27T17:23:10Z mlg900023 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:25:59Z hugh_marera quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T17:26:25Z mlg900023 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T17:34:12Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-27T17:37:35Z gema2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:38:53Z jaguar20 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:38:53Z gema2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:39:17Z zdr13 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:40:40Z jaguar20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T17:44:47Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T17:46:34Z zdr13 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T17:50:49Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:54:19Z longshi joined #scheme
2018-09-27T17:54:57Z longshi quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-27T18:10:20Z Hun joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:14:46Z Hun quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T18:22:05Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:32:00Z wigust- quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)
2018-09-27T18:41:50Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:43:07Z pots23 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:44:09Z pots23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T18:44:25Z amz3: interesting
2018-09-27T18:47:54Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-27T18:52:22Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:56:49Z pjm23 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T18:58:23Z pjm23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:02:07Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T19:02:55Z dustinm` joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:05:15Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-27T19:05:56Z dustinm` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:07:15Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-27T19:11:05Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-27T19:13:24Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:14:39Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:16:56Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:20:55Z eXpl0it3r joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:21:31Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T19:21:36Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:22:44Z eXpl0it3r quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:23:30Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:27:42Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:29:09Z boiled_sugar21 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:30:30Z pulec14 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:31:11Z boiled_sugar21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:32:56Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:35:13Z pulec14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:39:23Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:40:17Z remix2000 quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2-dev)
2018-09-27T19:43:06Z sh420 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:44:17Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:44:32Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:46:09Z sh420 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:47:10Z hive-mind quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T19:47:47Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:48:02Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:49:43Z Wamanuz2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:49:49Z Wamanuz2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:51:00Z remix2000 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:53:14Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T19:53:26Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:53:26Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-27T19:53:26Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:53:30Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-27T19:55:11Z topdownjimmy16 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:55:24Z topdownjimmy16 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:56:15Z hive-mind joined #scheme
2018-09-27T19:57:00Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T19:57:22Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:00:47Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T20:01:04Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:01:24Z pierpal joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:15:36Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:20:47Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:23:55Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:27:36Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T20:27:51Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:28:24Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:28:25Z ngz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T20:28:40Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:31:03Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:34:52Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T20:35:08Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:39:48Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:40:08Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:42:55Z izabera23 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:43:39Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:44:33Z izabera23 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T20:45:17Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:48:03Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:52:04Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:53:00Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:56:10Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:56:47Z fbt4 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:56:50Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:57:14Z unixman11 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T20:57:23Z fbt4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T20:57:52Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-27T20:57:53Z unixman11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:04:17Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T21:04:42Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:08:42Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:08:59Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:12:36Z emacsomancer quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T21:13:38Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:13:54Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:14:23Z ober: best scheme ever
2018-09-27T21:14:25Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:15:22Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:18:18Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:18:35Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:20:38Z nly quit
2018-09-27T21:21:34Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:21:44Z rossy12 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:21:54Z rossy12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:21:54Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:23:53Z Zed`18 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:27:39Z Zed`18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:30:46Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:31:11Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-27T21:32:07Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:36:14Z mos650211 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:36:19Z mos650211 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:40:01Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:41:11Z JMoVS29 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:43:52Z JMoVS29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:46:30Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:46:51Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:47:59Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T21:50:42Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T21:50:56Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:58:05Z solexious20 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T21:58:58Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:01:37Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:01:52Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:02:12Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-27T22:02:46Z solexious20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:06:52Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:07:09Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:07:54Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:09:52Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:10:09Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:12:44Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:17:02Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:17:24Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:19:17Z comatekeke2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:23:23Z amerigo quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:23:36Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:23:51Z jamielennox12 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:25:06Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:26:06Z TecknoJock joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:27:26Z TecknoJock quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:28:19Z jamielennox12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:28:45Z robotoad quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
2018-09-27T22:30:34Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:36:32Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-27T22:40:04Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:44:14Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:45:59Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-27T22:46:04Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:47:18Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:48:20Z cybo_29 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:49:33Z Deihmos17 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T22:50:19Z cybo_29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:50:46Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-27T22:51:29Z Deihmos17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T22:59:19Z gpap joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:06:40Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-27T23:08:50Z gpap quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T23:14:10Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:16:06Z feltnerm_ joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:18:59Z feltnerm_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-27T23:22:45Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:32:00Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-27T23:33:16Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-27T23:35:49Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:37:23Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-27T23:40:52Z skyscraper joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:40:56Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:42:17Z skyscraper quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T23:43:18Z wingrime2 joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:45:04Z j3kyl_` joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:46:41Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-27T23:46:42Z j3kyl_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-27T23:47:44Z wingrime2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-27T23:51:27Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T00:07:19Z dmiles quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T00:13:42Z feirlane27 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T00:14:32Z dmiles joined #scheme
2018-09-28T00:17:52Z feirlane27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T00:19:40Z thijso20 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T00:21:10Z klovett quit
2018-09-28T00:22:41Z thijso20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T00:25:01Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-28T00:28:35Z kincl14 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T00:29:48Z kincl14 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T01:13:09Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:27:43Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:27:53Z robotoad quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T01:28:26Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:30:45Z j3kyl_`` joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:32:58Z j3kyl_` quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T01:35:21Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T01:39:21Z robotoad quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-28T01:41:01Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:41:18Z sheyll joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:46:12Z sheyll quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T01:46:16Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T01:54:56Z drsn0w11 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:54:59Z lemonpepper24 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:55:02Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:56:50Z drsn0w11 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T01:58:12Z sharkboy joined #scheme
2018-09-28T01:59:54Z sharkboy quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T02:02:59Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-28T02:05:09Z habbasi20 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:07:38Z habbasi20 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T02:07:48Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:08:48Z anderson24 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:11:38Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T02:12:02Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:12:10Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-28T02:12:34Z anderson24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T02:13:57Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T02:14:11Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:38:24Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-28T02:38:51Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:39:10Z robotoad quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T02:39:47Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:56:38Z voiceftp24 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T02:59:39Z voiceftp24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T03:11:11Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:13:03Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:14:47Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T03:14:56Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T03:20:24Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:20:24Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-28T03:20:24Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:37:07Z xMopx17 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:40:10Z xMopx17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T03:44:38Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-28T03:56:29Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T04:17:20Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-28T04:19:07Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:20:03Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:33:19Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:33:46Z ggole quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-28T04:44:49Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:49:17Z emacsomancer quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)
2018-09-28T04:53:25Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:55:30Z emacsomancer quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T04:56:27Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T04:57:18Z xnox27 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T04:58:40Z xnox27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T05:01:56Z comatekeke2 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T05:09:58Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-28T05:13:31Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-28T05:20:16Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-28T05:21:06Z lays14719 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T05:21:09Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-28T05:21:43Z lays14719 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T05:21:54Z hugh_marera quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T05:36:58Z hjklhjklhjkl13 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T05:39:38Z hjklhjklhjkl13 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-28T05:48:06Z popey3 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T05:48:33Z popey3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T05:50:46Z lemonpepper24 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-28T05:52:51Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:01:04Z Mitar2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:02:58Z Mitar2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T06:06:27Z remmy7 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:09:03Z remmy7 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-28T06:17:10Z OnkelUlla14 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:26:04Z OnkelUlla14 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T06:26:45Z fedelibre joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:53:50Z EdwardIII15 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:55:34Z j3kyl_`` quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T06:55:58Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:55:58Z j3kyl_`` joined #scheme
2018-09-28T06:57:04Z EdwardIII15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T07:07:04Z lambda-11235 quit (Quit: Bye)
2018-09-28T07:18:39Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-28T07:23:25Z Werring12 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T07:26:57Z Werring12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T07:51:30Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-28T08:01:17Z maciuszek joined #scheme
2018-09-28T08:02:21Z maciuszek quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-28T08:13:14Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T08:26:34Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-28T08:28:54Z brosnan27 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T08:30:35Z brosnan27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T08:44:56Z lavaflow_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T08:46:10Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T08:48:34Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T08:52:03Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T08:57:05Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:01:04Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T09:02:38Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T09:05:39Z SergioAtSUSE19 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:05:56Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:09:55Z SergioAtSUSE19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T09:12:06Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:15:50Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:28:15Z victorhck1 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:29:59Z victorhck1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T09:38:15Z u-ou10 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:38:31Z chuckx21 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:39:48Z chuckx21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T09:41:39Z u-ou10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T09:48:53Z insecta5 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T09:53:27Z insecta5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T10:07:58Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-28T10:12:58Z Guest44249 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T10:13:35Z Guest44249 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T10:26:33Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-28T10:26:41Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T10:41:34Z lavaflow_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T10:50:16Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-28T10:58:11Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:00:21Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T11:00:21Z j3kyl_`` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T11:00:33Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T11:03:30Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T11:13:59Z civodul quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T11:24:12Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-28T11:32:20Z ben29 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:32:24Z ben29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T11:44:01Z korans24 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:48:50Z korans24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T11:50:35Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T11:54:55Z lockywolf quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T11:56:21Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:57:18Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:57:46Z Guest30876 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T11:58:21Z ToTo124 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T12:01:11Z ToTo124 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T12:02:00Z Guest30876 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T12:02:25Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-28T12:07:09Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-28T12:14:28Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-28T12:47:27Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T12:53:38Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-28T12:55:09Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T12:57:34Z krzych22 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:02:34Z krzych22 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T13:03:54Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:09:01Z comatekeke quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T13:09:27Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:10:07Z P1RATEZ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:16:18Z mlelstv joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:17:08Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-28T13:18:42Z mlelstv quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T13:27:41Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:30:19Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-28T13:40:28Z cryptolock5 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:40:38Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:43:34Z cryptolock5 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-28T13:49:00Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:50:20Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-28T13:53:04Z Tzhx10 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T13:57:48Z Tzhx10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T14:03:47Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:10:58Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:13:32Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T14:25:31Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:27:07Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:47:50Z jonaslund_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:49:11Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T14:57:32Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T14:59:01Z jonaslund_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-28T15:02:46Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T15:10:53Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-28T15:18:46Z wigust- joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:20:09Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T15:21:05Z webpigeon21 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:23:47Z webpigeon21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T15:25:13Z edgar-rft joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:26:42Z natorious2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:30:14Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T15:30:47Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:31:03Z natorious2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T15:31:43Z heinrich599117 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:33:33Z heinrich599117 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T15:36:02Z Daerist15 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:37:01Z smazga joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:37:14Z Daerist15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T15:41:17Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-28T15:55:11Z fedelibre quit (Quit: fedelibre)
2018-09-28T15:59:33Z emacsomancer quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T16:00:55Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-28T16:04:34Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T16:06:18Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T16:22:02Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T16:25:05Z Soulflare34 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T16:26:00Z Soulflare34 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-28T16:27:03Z bittyx2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T16:29:49Z bittyx2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T16:47:54Z rooftopDweller joined #scheme
2018-09-28T16:48:18Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-28T17:03:20Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:06:44Z DuClare14 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:11:21Z DuClare14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T17:17:06Z lavaflow_ is now known as lavaflow
2018-09-28T17:23:58Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:34:07Z klovett quit
2018-09-28T17:38:52Z ddp joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:39:03Z ddp quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-28T17:40:21Z noqqe25 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:40:36Z bigfondue quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T17:44:02Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T17:44:08Z noqqe25 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T17:49:26Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-28T18:00:19Z bigfondue joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:08:34Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T18:13:36Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T18:15:32Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:16:43Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:18:21Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:27:06Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:34:41Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:37:07Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:40:08Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T18:43:29Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:45:41Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T18:50:47Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-28T18:50:56Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T18:59:01Z comatekeke2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:00:01Z comatekeke quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-28T19:02:27Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:03:34Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:06:22Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:12:04Z TheGreekOwl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T19:20:14Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:30:02Z comatekeke2 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T19:30:16Z comatekeke2 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:30:41Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-28T19:35:27Z comatekeke2 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T19:38:05Z msks0 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:42:55Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:43:57Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-28T19:45:19Z msks0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T19:45:51Z FLYingG0D26 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:45:59Z FLYingG0D26 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T19:47:27Z gabe_k24 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:54:36Z gabe_k24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T19:57:57Z comatekeke joined #scheme
2018-09-28T19:59:18Z pie_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2018-09-28T20:03:20Z rooftopDweller quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-28T20:03:37Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:03:53Z jonaslund joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:04:10Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:08:57Z JamMule9 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:10:30Z JamMule9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T20:18:45Z pie_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:23:27Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:25:20Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:27:42Z Inline quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T20:28:10Z Inline joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:32:00Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T20:34:12Z comatekeke left #scheme
2018-09-28T20:41:16Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T20:45:34Z emacsomancer quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T20:46:08Z emacsomancer joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:48:52Z sztanpet3 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T20:53:54Z sztanpet3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T21:08:07Z rotty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T21:12:35Z rotty joined #scheme
2018-09-28T21:19:45Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-28T21:20:03Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-28T21:24:03Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T21:33:46Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-28T21:35:17Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T21:35:18Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-28T21:35:46Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-28T21:40:46Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-28T21:40:54Z ale__ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T21:58:28Z sandroandrade13 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:01:07Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:02:49Z sandroandrade13 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T22:03:30Z jcob joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:03:32Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:04:52Z ym555 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:06:25Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:06:43Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:06:56Z logicmoo joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:20:24Z CDuv joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:26:19Z CDuv quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:26:42Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-28T22:27:58Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:28:15Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:53:17Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-28T22:57:51Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T22:59:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-28T23:01:27Z smazga quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-28T23:03:42Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-28T23:17:40Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T23:17:51Z P1RATEZ quit
2018-09-28T23:18:13Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T23:21:35Z j3kyl_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-28T23:25:54Z klovett_ quit
2018-09-28T23:29:54Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-28T23:36:46Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-28T23:37:47Z j3kyl_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-28T23:44:17Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-28T23:49:07Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T00:05:14Z Dark-Lord24 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:08:23Z Dark-Lord24 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-29T00:08:47Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:10:27Z jcalonso joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:14:20Z jcalonso quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T00:23:32Z ilmari9 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:28:41Z ilmari9 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T00:35:39Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T00:36:39Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T00:37:08Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:37:21Z amiri12 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:38:28Z Riastradh joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:41:56Z amiri12 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T00:42:58Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-29T00:45:20Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T00:45:30Z jcob quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T00:51:22Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T01:00:56Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T01:15:07Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T01:16:25Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T01:16:27Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T01:29:07Z pjb quit (Read error: No route to host)
2018-09-29T01:29:08Z pjb` joined #scheme
2018-09-29T01:41:38Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T01:42:46Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T01:51:14Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-29T01:51:24Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T01:53:47Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T02:11:00Z jonaslund quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T02:13:59Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T02:15:07Z mightybyte10 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T02:16:14Z ym555 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T02:18:40Z mightybyte10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T02:23:34Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T02:45:26Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T02:51:29Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T02:53:18Z jao quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T03:06:10Z M3nti0n8 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T03:06:34Z M3nti0n8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T03:15:22Z ale__ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T03:31:17Z furq29 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T03:36:39Z furq29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T03:56:27Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-29T04:08:24Z pjb` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-29T04:14:33Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T04:27:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T04:39:07Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme
2018-09-29T04:41:07Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T04:41:07Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale
2018-09-29T04:44:42Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T04:45:12Z lockywolf quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-29T05:01:28Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T05:01:55Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T05:04:29Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-29T05:14:36Z cmatei quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T05:16:04Z cmatei joined #scheme
2018-09-29T05:19:53Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T05:33:25Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T05:34:11Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-29T05:35:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T05:42:28Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-29T05:49:57Z lockywolf_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T05:53:40Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-29T06:16:53Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-29T06:23:54Z klovett_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T06:24:31Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T06:28:00Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-29T06:28:04Z SergeyRUS joined #scheme
2018-09-29T06:29:01Z SergeyRUS quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T06:44:58Z logicmoo is now known as dmiles
2018-09-29T07:04:07Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:04:08Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-29T07:04:08Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:11:29Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T07:11:44Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:12:16Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-29T07:12:50Z erkin joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:19:34Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:19:51Z quipa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T07:38:26Z j3kyl_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:43:44Z j3kyl_ left #scheme
2018-09-29T07:48:22Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-29T07:55:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T07:58:00Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T07:58:15Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:02:12Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:05:17Z erkin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T08:06:12Z haltdef0 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:06:39Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T08:07:03Z haltdef0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T08:25:11Z amz3 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-29T08:25:11Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:25:56Z copumpkin21 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:29:27Z copumpkin21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T08:33:53Z butchlugrod8 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:35:56Z butchlugrod8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T08:38:35Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:47:38Z msmorgan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:47:43Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T08:49:06Z msmorgan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T08:52:33Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-29T09:01:43Z marvin2 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-29T09:04:01Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-29T09:06:55Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:07:05Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T09:07:43Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:08:08Z lexileo22 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:15:02Z lexileo22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T09:16:23Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:19:04Z lritter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T09:25:50Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:30:18Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T09:30:23Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:30:38Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:35:36Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-29T09:39:26Z amz3 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-29T09:39:26Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:43:17Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-29T09:45:38Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:46:46Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:54:50Z quipa_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T09:57:13Z quipa quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T09:58:47Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-29T10:22:02Z ggole quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T10:24:51Z remix2000: Hi! I'm trying to make a macro for pattern-matching two lists. How can I make it accept a value instead of syntax? https://git.io/fxfUN
2018-09-29T10:49:10Z webshinra_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:51:00Z akkad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:51:02Z florileg1 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:52:47Z profan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:52:55Z eagleflo_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:53:12Z cibs_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:53:16Z snits_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T10:56:20Z ober quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:20Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:20Z eagleflo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:20Z ng0 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:20Z profan_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:21Z jp quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:21Z snits quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:21Z cibs quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:21Z webshinra quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:22Z deuill quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T10:56:58Z ng0 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T11:00:00Z nly quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T11:09:13Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-29T11:13:35Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-29T11:20:33Z rain2: so on lines 13 and 18 you can't use (path . paths)
2018-09-29T11:20:57Z rain2: instead use path as the pattern, and then (string=? rule (car path)), (extract-path-elements acc rules (cdr path))
2018-09-29T11:22:50Z rain2: and on line 7 you can't use () as a pattern, check if (null? path) instead
2018-09-29T11:23:02Z rain2: and 11
2018-09-29T11:26:07Z DoctorMirabilis5 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T11:26:50Z ale__ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T11:29:07Z DoctorMirabilis5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T11:34:18Z jp joined #scheme
2018-09-29T11:58:22Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:01:19Z raven-au29 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:04:05Z raven-au29 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T12:10:19Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:10:19Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-29T12:10:20Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:12:50Z ale__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T12:23:23Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2018-09-29T12:32:57Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:33:56Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T12:37:40Z ale__ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:39:16Z keep_learning quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T12:41:36Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:53:57Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T12:54:58Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T12:59:36Z hugh_marera quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T13:02:38Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:05:30Z civodul joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:15:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:35:40Z thetemplar joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:41:53Z deuill joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:46:06Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:47:07Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T13:56:20Z TheGreekOwl quit (Quit: I must go, my planet needs me.)
2018-09-29T13:56:44Z TheGreekOwl joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:58:05Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-29T13:59:18Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:00:44Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:08:21Z nly quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-29T14:19:31Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T14:22:44Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:22:45Z nly quit (Changing host)
2018-09-29T14:22:45Z nly joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:26:41Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T14:28:50Z maximjaffe joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:31:21Z quipa_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-29T14:32:36Z ale__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T14:37:41Z acarrico joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:47:42Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-29T14:48:22Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-29T14:58:36Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T14:58:49Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T15:01:04Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:23:17Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-29T15:23:29Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:30:26Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T15:30:57Z maximjaffe quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-29T15:35:24Z faxmodem24 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:36:40Z faxmodem24 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T15:38:47Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T15:47:00Z ale__ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:48:54Z P1RATEZ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:57:14Z tomasmu joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:59:11Z GLaDER_18 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T15:59:21Z tomasmu: hello
2018-09-29T16:02:19Z GLaDER_18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T16:04:44Z tomasmu: i was gonna go through the little schemer, but i'm having difficulties to even start
2018-09-29T16:05:04Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T16:05:27Z tomasmu: i'm on windows 10, couldn't get mit-scheme to work despite a few stack overflow suggestions, so i ended up with racket
2018-09-29T16:06:20Z jcowan: \
2018-09-29T16:07:20Z tomasmu: or drracket to be more precise
2018-09-29T16:07:56Z tomasmu: but i can't use cdr for example, so i'm quite lost
2018-09-29T16:08:08Z tomasmu: do you know of any online resources that helps with this? :)
2018-09-29T16:11:10Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:11:59Z jcowan: aeth: ping about CL-Scheme's name
2018-09-29T16:12:26Z jcowan: tomasmu: What language have you set DrRacket to?
2018-09-29T16:12:54Z tomasmu: "the racket language"
2018-09-29T16:13:07Z lroe20 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:13:24Z jcowan: cdr should definitely be there, what error are you getting?
2018-09-29T16:13:49Z jcowan: (I don't use DrRacket, only the racket command line myself, and not often)
2018-09-29T16:15:17Z tomasmu: "application: not a procedure; expected a procedure that can be applied to arguments ..."
2018-09-29T16:15:26Z jsoft10 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:16:24Z tomasmu: ideally i'd like to use vscode, i managed to pipe the output through racket.exe, but the only thing i've gotten to work is like (+ 1 2)
2018-09-29T16:17:07Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:17:39Z lroe20 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T16:17:55Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T16:19:35Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:21:38Z jsoft10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T16:21:43Z muelleme quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-29T16:24:51Z jcowan touts the virtues of Inferior Scheme
2018-09-29T16:25:18Z tomasmu: so i dunno what to do, try to find another environment? :)
2018-09-29T16:25:28Z jcowan: It's a simple R4RS interpreter written in portable R7RS that exists in order to make it easy to experiment with inherently non-portable changes
2018-09-29T16:25:57Z jcowan: tomasmu: if you are comfortable using a REPL, just run it as "racket" from whatever your local command line is
2018-09-29T16:27:54Z tomasmu: well, both racket and drracket work equally little, ie (+ 1 2) works but not car, cdr, etc, so i'm probably missing something
2018-09-29T16:28:32Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:34:14Z tomasmu: simply typing car returns #<procedure:car>
2018-09-29T16:34:21Z tomasmu: so it appears to exist?
2018-09-29T16:35:09Z gwatt: tomasmu: what version of racket are you using?
2018-09-29T16:35:12Z tomasmu: 7.0
2018-09-29T16:35:18Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-29T16:36:31Z gwatt: hmm, that should definitely work
2018-09-29T16:39:06Z ski idly wonders whether tomasmu is calling `car' correctly
2018-09-29T16:40:48Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T16:41:28Z tomasmu: valid question :)
2018-09-29T16:41:32Z tomasmu: car (1 2 3)
2018-09-29T16:41:56Z gwatt: Ah, that's not how you call functions in shceme
2018-09-29T16:42:10Z gwatt: I think you want (car '(1 2 3))
2018-09-29T16:42:21Z tomasmu: tried with or without enclosing parens
2018-09-29T16:42:54Z gwatt: with enclosing parens
2018-09-29T16:43:01Z ski: `car (1 2 3)' is two separate forms. presumably you're first evaluating `car' (which yields a procedure, without calling it), and then `(1 2 3)', which attempts to call the procedure `1' with the arguments `2' and `3'
2018-09-29T16:43:08Z gwatt: in all lisps, the parenthesis are significant
2018-09-29T16:43:10Z ski: only problem is, `1' is not a procedure
2018-09-29T16:43:17Z ski: (hence your error message)
2018-09-29T16:43:23Z tomasmu: oh really, that apostrophe did the trick
2018-09-29T16:43:57Z ski: the quote in gwatt makes Scheme treat the following form as data, not as an expression to be evaluated
2018-09-29T16:44:04Z ski: in gwatt's example, i mean
2018-09-29T16:44:10Z ski: you could also do
2018-09-29T16:44:20Z ski: rudybot: eval (car (list 1 2 3))
2018-09-29T16:44:30Z rudybot: ski: error: with-limit: out of time
2018-09-29T16:44:38Z ski: bah, try again
2018-09-29T16:44:40Z ski: rudybot: eval (car (list 1 2 3))
2018-09-29T16:44:43Z gwatt: heh, rudybot always takes a few minutes to spin-up
2018-09-29T16:44:46Z rudybot: ski: your scheme sandbox is ready
2018-09-29T16:44:46Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: 1
2018-09-29T16:44:51Z ski: yea, i know that happens
2018-09-29T16:45:11Z ski: that's calling the procedure `list' which constructs a list from the arguments. then that list is passed to `car'
2018-09-29T16:45:45Z ski: (and `eval' in this case is just a command to instruct rudybot to evaluate the following as a Scheme expression. `eval' here is not itself Scheme)
2018-09-29T16:46:37Z ski: note that the arguments to the call to `list' are normal expressions, that will be evaluated. however, not so with subforms inside a quoted form
2018-09-29T16:46:41Z ski: contrast :
2018-09-29T16:46:47Z tomasmu: and for strings you do the same apostrophe thingy, (car (list 'a 'b 'c))
2018-09-29T16:47:07Z ski: rudybot: eval '(0 (+ 1 2) 3)
2018-09-29T16:47:07Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '(0 (+ 1 2) 3)
2018-09-29T16:47:12Z ski: rudybot: eval (list 0 (+ 1 2) 3)
2018-09-29T16:47:13Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '(0 3 3)
2018-09-29T16:47:58Z ski: in the former case, `+' is not seen as a procedure, just as a datum (an atom to be specific, just like the atoms `a',`b',`c' in your example)
2018-09-29T16:48:21Z ski: er, sorry, actually they're called symbols in Scheme. sorry
2018-09-29T16:48:52Z ski: (atom's is what they're called in another programming language. i momentarily confused the two terms)
2018-09-29T16:49:21Z gwatt: tomasmu: the single apostrophe, or quote, does not produce strings; it produces literal data. There are some data that are the same quoted or unquoted, like numbers and string literals
2018-09-29T16:49:32Z gwatt: rudybot: eval (= '1234 1234)
2018-09-29T16:49:36Z rudybot: gwatt: your sandbox is ready
2018-09-29T16:49:36Z rudybot: gwatt: ; Value: #t
2018-09-29T16:49:42Z ski: rudybot: eval "this is a string"
2018-09-29T16:49:42Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: "this is a string"
2018-09-29T16:49:50Z gwatt: rudybot: eval (string=? '"string" "string")
2018-09-29T16:49:51Z rudybot: gwatt: ; Value: #t
2018-09-29T16:49:54Z ski: rudybot: eval 'this-is-a-symbol
2018-09-29T16:49:54Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: 'this-is-a-symbol
2018-09-29T16:50:25Z ski: rudybot: eval '("two" "strings")
2018-09-29T16:50:25Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '("two" "strings")
2018-09-29T16:50:30Z ski: rudybot: eval '(two symbols)
2018-09-29T16:50:30Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '(two symbols)
2018-09-29T16:51:11Z tomasmu: the scheme S-expressions i know of from reading the first few pages are called atoms and lists
2018-09-29T16:51:23Z tomasmu: but yeah, the apostrophe seems to be the missing piece of the puzzle :)
2018-09-29T16:52:25Z ski: rudybot: eval '(3 quoted "datums")
2018-09-29T16:52:26Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '(3 quoted "datums")
2018-09-29T16:52:36Z ski: rudybot: eval (quote (3 quoted "datums"))  ; this is the same thing
2018-09-29T16:52:37Z rudybot: ski: ; Value: '(3 quoted "datums")
2018-09-29T16:53:11Z ski: the single apostrophe is shorthand for using the special form `quote' (not a procedure)
2018-09-29T16:53:54Z ski: (and semi-colon starts a comment that ends at the end of the line, if you hadn't seen that yet)
2018-09-29T16:54:42Z tomasmu: i googled that an hour ago ;D
2018-09-29T16:54:55Z ski: cool
2018-09-29T16:56:55Z tomasmu: cool, now i have the tools to start with chapter 1 :)
2018-09-29T16:57:06Z tomasmu: many thanks guys
2018-09-29T16:59:45Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:05:07Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:06:58Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:07:05Z wigust- quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T17:07:44Z jcowan: ski: Who uses "atoms" as a term for symbols any more, anyone?
2018-09-29T17:07:57Z ski: Prolog
2018-09-29T17:08:04Z jcowan: Ah
2018-09-29T17:08:13Z jcowan: Numbers are not atoms in Prolog?
2018-09-29T17:08:38Z ski: (yes, i realized that "atom" have also been used in a lisp context)
2018-09-29T17:09:03Z ski: numbers are atomic, but not atoms, iirc the terminology
2018-09-29T17:09:08Z pjb: (mapcar 'atom '(1 1.2 1/2 #C(1 2) #|ha!|# foo "foo ha!" #(f o o h a !))) #| --> (t t t t t t t) |#
2018-09-29T17:09:35Z pjb: ski: arrays are not atomic but they're atoms too.
2018-09-29T17:09:41Z pjb: So the name sticks.
2018-09-29T17:11:03Z ski: (hm, i think Erlang also calls them atoms)
2018-09-29T17:11:54Z ggole: Prolog has atomic/1 and atom/1, which is amusing.
2018-09-29T17:12:26Z ggole: That particular terminology seems to have gotten around.
2018-09-29T17:13:13Z ski: yes, that's what i was talking about
2018-09-29T17:14:41Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:15:14Z gwatt: Chez has atom? which return #t for everything except pairs
2018-09-29T17:23:29Z brtl7 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:25:08Z ale__ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T17:25:50Z brtl7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T17:29:51Z khisanth_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T17:34:30Z Zipheir joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:40:33Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-29T17:43:21Z khisanth_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:43:58Z ale__ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:45:08Z bmcorser_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:46:58Z bmcorser_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T17:48:53Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-29T17:53:34Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T17:58:24Z remix2000: rain2: Thank you and forgive me for such a late answer. I'm still learning scheme and I don't understand its macro system very well…
2018-09-29T18:02:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T18:10:50Z badkins joined #scheme
2018-09-29T18:22:29Z aeth: jcowan: cl-scheme is a placeholder because things need to be named first, even when they should be named last.
2018-09-29T18:22:40Z aeth: jcowan: I think everyone here wants to call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Airship_Scheme
2018-09-29T18:24:42Z jcowan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T18:25:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T18:27:33Z jao quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T18:30:01Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-29T18:34:03Z nilg joined #scheme
2018-09-29T18:35:52Z nly left #scheme
2018-09-29T18:58:35Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:04:44Z jaagr10 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:05:29Z jaagr10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T19:12:06Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:25:38Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:33:12Z tanimislam joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:37:03Z tanimislam quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T19:38:30Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T19:39:19Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T19:57:02Z neptunepink17 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T20:00:30Z neptunepink17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T20:02:15Z sugarpuff27 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T20:04:45Z sugarpuff27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T20:05:39Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-29T20:14:50Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T20:16:47Z jchampion joined #scheme
2018-09-29T20:17:59Z jchampion quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T20:36:17Z ale__ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T20:41:30Z thetemplar quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T20:47:49Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-29T20:48:04Z taylan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-29T20:51:43Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T20:53:19Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:03:20Z lukky51317 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:03:41Z lukky51317 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:07:01Z johncool6 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:09:22Z estranger19 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:10:56Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T21:12:09Z metamullet18 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:13:12Z mejja joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:13:20Z johncool6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:13:38Z estranger19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:17:30Z quipa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T21:19:03Z metamullet18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:24:35Z lohfu10 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:25:02Z lohfu10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:26:16Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:28:07Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:28:50Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T21:34:03Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:34:27Z quipa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T21:47:44Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-29T21:49:46Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:51:06Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-29T21:51:20Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T21:51:52Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-29T22:05:38Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:07:10Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:14:02Z kjeldahl quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:23:23Z xalice4 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:24:44Z mejja quit (Quit: mejja)
2018-09-29T22:28:47Z hugh_marera quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:30:58Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-29T22:32:11Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:33:11Z xalice4 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:34:39Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-29T22:38:04Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-29T22:39:20Z kjeldahl joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:43:57Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:45:51Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:50:42Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-29T22:54:26Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-29T22:56:54Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-29T23:00:46Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-29T23:18:05Z jcowan: Does anyone have experience with SRFI 37, args-fold, for processing command-line arguments?  Is it a Good Thing or a Bad Thing?
2018-09-29T23:19:19Z lavaflow quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-29T23:19:47Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-29T23:31:11Z avium5 joined #scheme
2018-09-29T23:34:43Z avium5 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-29T23:52:44Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-29T23:53:51Z siraben: Hey all!  Is there a Scheme library for reading PNG files like this one (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/siraben/ti84-forth/master/repl3.png) and extracting the pixel information as binary data?
2018-09-30T00:03:45Z Zipheir: siraben: o/
2018-09-30T00:03:59Z Zipheir: siraben: Yeah, Guile seems to be lacking a good image library.
2018-09-30T00:04:31Z siraben: Hi Zipheir
2018-09-30T00:05:00Z siraben: Yeah I can't find a way to transfer data from the calculator to the computer, but I have implemented some words to draw to the screen
2018-09-30T00:05:27Z Zipheir: jcowan: I've only used arg libraries built on top of args-fold. It seems like the 'do' of arguments--powerful and general, but clumsy.
2018-09-30T00:05:30Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T00:05:54Z siraben: Interesting to note that there's a region in RAM where pixels correspond exactly to its binary contents so it's one of the only ways to get raw data out
2018-09-30T00:07:20Z siraben: Zipheir: Right now I'm using Mathematica to get the job done, it seems.
2018-09-30T00:09:12Z siraben quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1))
2018-09-30T00:09:50Z siraben joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:10:53Z siraben: Hmm my IRC client was acting strange
2018-09-30T00:11:29Z Zipheir: Solar wind/Emacs becoming sentient.
2018-09-30T00:12:12Z siraben: IRC client but for TI-84 in the future, perhaps.
2018-09-30T00:12:43Z Zipheir: That would be great.
2018-09-30T00:13:17Z siraben: The Forth implementation I'm reading has an assembler defined in Forth, so you can write in assembly and do all that nice self-modifying code trickery.
2018-09-30T00:16:38Z pjb: siraben: not scheme, but Common Lisp: https://pastebin.com/raw/cqabbg4v
2018-09-30T00:16:53Z pjb: siraben: I had fun with gimp once.
2018-09-30T00:16:59Z pjb: But it's not so simple.
2018-09-30T00:17:16Z pjb: siraben: https://www.informatimago.com/develop/pic-merge-diff3/index.html
2018-09-30T00:17:35Z siraben: pjb: Wow, thanks for that!
2018-09-30T00:17:51Z siraben: I li
2018-09-30T00:18:09Z pjb: if you transfer the image numerically, you can avoid the redundant pixels.
2018-09-30T00:18:34Z P1RATEZ quit
2018-09-30T00:18:38Z siraben: And this ignores the margin as well?
2018-09-30T00:19:00Z siraben: Oh there's no margin, never mind
2018-09-30T00:19:06Z pjb: on the other hand, if you transfer it analogically (eg. take a picture of it), then it would be better to sum the pixels and issue a 1 if more than half of them are 1.
2018-09-30T00:19:17Z pjb: There's a margin of 2 pixels on all sides.
2018-09-30T00:19:19Z siraben: Wait yeah there is a margin
2018-09-30T00:19:22Z pjb: it's the offset parameter.
2018-09-30T00:19:27Z siraben: Ah I see.
2018-09-30T00:19:31Z siraben: Thanks again!
2018-09-30T00:20:38Z Zipheir: siraben: WRT reading pngs, I've made use of this in some pipe-based image applications. https://tools.suckless.org/farbfeld/
2018-09-30T00:21:16Z Zipheir: siraben: Sort of a simplest-possible image format, with tiny CLI tools to convert from PNG/JPEG/PNM/etc.
2018-09-30T00:22:37Z Zipheir: siraben: I've been meaning to write a small Farbfeld scheme lib, should be pretty trivial.
2018-09-30T00:23:27Z siraben: Zipheir: I see.  I'll check it out.
2018-09-30T00:24:22Z siraben: pjb: How would I partition the output into 8-length chunks?
2018-09-30T00:24:56Z pjb: It depends on how it was encoded. Assuming left-to-right: https://pastebin.com/raw/Gpb0qFiA
2018-09-30T00:25:33Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T00:25:50Z feepk28 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:26:07Z pjb: Is there a substring "  , .0123456789  ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" in there?
2018-09-30T00:26:08Z sabre10410 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:26:13Z siraben: Yes.
2018-09-30T00:26:28Z pjb: TO_ASCII
2018-09-30T00:26:33Z pjb: So I'm good.
2018-09-30T00:27:03Z siraben: How do I wrap this in a defun so that I can pass a filename in?
2018-09-30T00:27:10Z siraben: I'm not very familiar with Common Lisp.
2018-09-30T00:27:18Z pjb: in CL, you can wrap it in a (map 'string 'code-char #(239 …)) to get the string, but of course, it's a lot of binary data in there.
2018-09-30T00:27:32Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:28:13Z pjb: like this: https://pastebin.com/raw/SceAtwL7
2018-09-30T00:28:35Z pjb: do you already have a CL environment with quicklisp?
2018-09-30T00:28:37Z feepk28 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T00:28:38Z siraben: Yes.
2018-09-30T00:28:41Z pjb: ok
2018-09-30T00:28:59Z siraben: How do I write it into a binary file?  So it would look like image -> decode bytes -> binary file
2018-09-30T00:29:13Z siraben: Wow looks like I should learn Common Lisp
2018-09-30T00:29:33Z sabre10410 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T00:29:40Z pjb: (with-open-file (out "to_ascii.bin" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) (write-sequence (png-to-bytes #P"repl3.png")))
2018-09-30T00:29:58Z pjb: http://cliki.net/Getting+Started ;-)
2018-09-30T00:30:07Z pjb: and http://cliki.net/Online+Tutorial
2018-09-30T00:30:33Z siraben: pjb: You came up with that code pretty fast!  Do you use these libraries often?
2018-09-30T00:30:39Z pjb: never used it.
2018-09-30T00:32:22Z pjb: I used:   (print-systems (ql-dist:provided-systems t) "PNG" :sort t) to find the libraries about PNG, quickloaded :pngload, and used  (package-exports (find-package "PNGLOAD")) to get the exported symbols: #| --> (data text with-png-in-static-vector last-modified rendering-intent color-type pixel-size load-file interlace-method transparency palette filter-method compression-method gamma height load-stream bit-depth palette-count
2018-09-30T00:32:22Z pjb: |#  from which I guessed the usage.
2018-09-30T00:33:11Z siraben: Zipheir: What does CHICKEN's package manager look like?
2018-09-30T00:33:15Z siraben: pjb: Ah I see.
2018-09-30T00:33:18Z pjb: Then I first evaluated (data png) and saw how there was this 2 pixel margin (I first tought it was 3 pixels), and that the block size was 4x4.
2018-09-30T00:33:49Z siraben: pjb: Why do I need the #P in front of the filename?
2018-09-30T00:33:49Z pjb: so purely interactive and exploratory programming at the REPL.
2018-09-30T00:33:53Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T00:33:54Z Zipheir: siraben: It's pretty reasonable. https://wiki.call-cc.org/eggs
2018-09-30T00:34:17Z siraben: pjb: How long and for what do you use Common Lisp for?
2018-09-30T00:34:40Z siraben: Zipheir: Maybe a "Practical Scheme" book should be written to rival PCL
2018-09-30T00:34:45Z pjb: siraben: in CL, there's a PATHNAME type.  Strings are taken as namestrings and can be interpreted as pathnames, but some implementations have restriction ons the intepretation they do on them. Notably, ~/ for home directory is not interpreted in namestring in some CL implementations.
2018-09-30T00:35:01Z florileg1 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-30T00:35:09Z pjb: I've been using CL for almost all my programs (unless otherwise ordered by the customer), since 1996.
2018-09-30T00:35:39Z siraben: Why use CL?
2018-09-30T00:35:46Z pjb: And even when the customer asks for another programming language, I often use CL to do the prototype, or exploratory programming.
2018-09-30T00:35:55Z pjb: Because it's easier! :-)
2018-09-30T00:36:29Z pjb: and also, it's more fun (with its macros and metaprogramming).
2018-09-30T00:36:36Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:36:53Z Zipheir: pjb: easier and more fun than other Lisps, I take it.
2018-09-30T00:37:05Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:37:16Z siraben: I like CL's `loop' feature, not very "Lispy" but makes iterating lists easy.
2018-09-30T00:37:30Z pjb: Yes. You may rewrite it.
2018-09-30T00:37:38Z Zipheir: LOOP is _not_ one of the things I like about CL. :)
2018-09-30T00:37:52Z siraben: Zipheir: Why not?
2018-09-30T00:38:00Z pjb: it's not lispy.
2018-09-30T00:38:16Z pjb: There's the iterate package providing the equivalent of loop in a more lispy (and extensible) way.
2018-09-30T00:38:16Z Zipheir: siraben: It's a fsking embedded language. Scheme got this right: Don't iterate--recurse!
2018-09-30T00:38:31Z siraben: If you have TCO
2018-09-30T00:38:41Z qu1j0t3: if you don't-- weep
2018-09-30T00:38:42Z Zipheir: siraben: Which is not guaranteed in CL. Boo.
2018-09-30T00:38:46Z pjb: TCO is harder in CL since there's dynamic binding and unwind-protect.
2018-09-30T00:38:55Z pjb: s/harder/more rarely possible/
2018-09-30T00:39:14Z siraben: Zipheir: Does Haskell have TCO?
2018-09-30T00:39:22Z Zipheir: siraben: Yes.
2018-09-30T00:39:35Z pjb: and even lazy execution :-)
2018-09-30T00:39:44Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T00:40:05Z ale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:40:24Z Jimster48020 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:40:28Z siraben: pjb: Out of curiosity, are you using SLIME?
2018-09-30T00:40:32Z pjb: Yes.
2018-09-30T00:40:45Z pjb: Once I had fun writing something similar, but for punched tapes.
2018-09-30T00:40:49Z Zipheir: siraben: What's cool about Scheme is that the designers realized that if the language has TCO, iteration control structures become totally unneeded.
2018-09-30T00:41:06Z Jimster48020 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T00:41:30Z pjb: I took pictures of punched tapes, and wrote a program to try to decode them.  It was not so easy, because the pictures weren't aligned.
2018-09-30T00:41:31Z siraben: pjb: Hm, after loading the code and trying to execute it I'm getting an undefined function warning "PNG-TO-BYTES", what gives?
2018-09-30T00:41:31Z Zipheir: Yeah, SLIME is fun, just started messing around with it.
2018-09-30T00:42:01Z siraben: SLIME only works within Emacs, right?
2018-09-30T00:42:57Z pjb: git clone https://gist.github.com/e2625582dca3eef7d2581aafbf8b2b0e.git png-to-byte
2018-09-30T00:43:00Z Zipheir: I think the E is for Emacs, yes...
2018-09-30T00:43:10Z pjb: siraben: there's a SLIMV workings with vi (or vim).
2018-09-30T00:43:57Z Zipheir: siraben: I'm usually not an Emacs fan, but for PCL I thought I'd try the 'authentic Common Lisp experience'
2018-09-30T00:44:46Z siraben: I need to read SLIME's manual sometime
2018-09-30T00:45:02Z siraben: Zipheir: Well while you're there, there's Geiser for Scheme
2018-09-30T00:45:45Z Zipheir: siraben: Right, I have heard good things about Geiser.
2018-09-30T00:46:33Z siraben: pjb: https://paste.debian.net/1045222/
2018-09-30T00:47:14Z siraben: Even with (png-to-bytes #P"repl3.png") it still complains of an undefined function
2018-09-30T00:47:18Z siraben: I think something's wrong with my setup
2018-09-30T00:47:25Z pjb: I've updated the gist, you can do: ccl -l png-to-bytes.lisp   and then  (decode-png:png-to-bytes #P"~/Desktop/repl3.png")
2018-09-30T00:47:28Z pjb: or with your path.
2018-09-30T00:47:50Z siraben: What implementation are you using?
2018-09-30T00:47:58Z siraben: I'm using SBCL
2018-09-30T00:48:01Z pjb: ccl, Clozure CL, but it should work the same.
2018-09-30T00:48:12Z pjb: if you have the same thing in extract.lisp, then it's because png-to-bytes is in the decode-png package.
2018-09-30T00:48:29Z pjb: In the previous version, it wasn't exported, so you have to write: (decode-png::png-to-bytes #P"repl3.png")
2018-09-30T00:48:41Z pjb: I pushed a version where it's exported, so a single : is needed.
2018-09-30T00:48:50Z siraben: pjb: Ah I see, thanks for that.
2018-09-30T00:49:48Z pjb: siraben: when you get an undefined function, you can try (apropos "fun-name") and it'll show is there's a function with the same name in a different package.
2018-09-30T00:49:51Z siraben: pjb: How do I make with-open-file create a file if it doesn't exist?
2018-09-30T00:50:24Z pjb: right. (with-open-file (out "path" :direction :output :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :supersede :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) …)
2018-09-30T00:50:31Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T00:50:50Z siraben: Wow, Common Lisp is so great.
2018-09-30T00:51:03Z Zipheir: Hah
2018-09-30T00:51:33Z siraben: pjb: How did you find out about CL back then?
2018-09-30T00:52:15Z ski: Zipheir : "foof-loop: A Simple, Extensible Scheme Looping Facility" by Riastradh at <https://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/foof-loop.txt>
2018-09-30T00:52:34Z pjb: I've updated the gist with a save-bytes function
2018-09-30T00:53:33Z Zipheir: ski: Right, foof-loop, not by foof` :)
2018-09-30T00:53:48Z pjb: siraben: well, I tried to learn lisp/scheme for a long time before that, but each time I tried, it was on different computer with a different implementation, and scheme was different, so it was hard to learn. And eventually, I encountered clisp, and the next time it was another CL implementation and I could reuse what I learned before, so I went on with CL.
2018-09-30T00:54:10Z siraben: pjb: Just tested it out and checked the output with `xxd', it works!  Thank you so much!
2018-09-30T00:54:11Z pjb: There were already several revisions of scheme…
2018-09-30T00:54:15Z pjb: Good.
2018-09-30T00:54:23Z siraben: Damn, I'm seeing the power of CL
2018-09-30T00:54:30Z pjb: So now you need a Ti emulator?
2018-09-30T00:54:40Z siraben: pjb: How come?
2018-09-30T00:55:00Z pjb: You mentionned TI-84, isn't it code for it?
2018-09-30T00:55:11Z siraben: pjb: https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth/blob/master/forth.asm#L1069
2018-09-30T00:55:34Z siraben: It's a screenshot of this program https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth/blob/master/programs/memview.fs viewing the memory location in that asm file
2018-09-30T00:56:52Z siraben: I even scrolled past my program's memory location and into other program territory, I could now extract the bytes with this program and disassemble it!
2018-09-30T00:57:28Z siraben: pjb: Yeah it's code for it.  I have a calculator at hand.
2018-09-30T00:58:16Z pjb: TI provides emulator for Mac and Windows: https://education.ti.com/en/software/details/en/FFEA90EE7F9B4C24A6EC427622C77D09/sda-ti-smartview-ti-84-plus and IIRC I've seen emulators for Linux too.
2018-09-30T00:58:59Z ski: Zipheir : nah, that'd be "loopy-loop" <http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/loopy-loop>
2018-09-30T00:59:00Z siraben: pjb: Aww it doesn't have enough "dev" features
2018-09-30T00:59:09Z siraben: Memory dump, program step
2018-09-30T00:59:20Z pjb: If you diassemble the code in the calculette, you might find interesting stuff.  40 years ago, when I had a Sharp PC-1200, I had quite some fun doing that.
2018-09-30T00:59:25Z siraben: pjb: There's this project https://github.com/CE-Programming/CEmu
2018-09-30T00:59:38Z pjb: yes.
2018-09-30T00:59:40Z siraben: But I don't have a CE calculator
2018-09-30T01:00:22Z siraben: pjb: Have you used Forth before?
2018-09-30T01:00:22Z Zipheir: ski: Cool, I didn't know about loopy-loop. This is actually pretty clean.
2018-09-30T01:00:35Z pjb: Not much, just a little.
2018-09-30T01:00:44Z pjb: I never wrote a real program in forth.
2018-09-30T01:01:02Z siraben: pjb: Re: learning Lisp.  Ah I see, so I guess it also depends on the implementation.
2018-09-30T01:01:26Z siraben: pjb: It's pretty fun, but very un-lispy.
2018-09-30T01:01:31Z pjb: well, with CL, the language is the same in all the implementations, so it's easier.
2018-09-30T01:02:05Z pjb: and even today, Racket has to implement several different languages. Newbies must be lost in it…
2018-09-30T01:02:28Z siraben: There was another IRCer (who happened to detest Lisps) that introduced me to Forth, and I thought it would be one of those weird languages that had no use, but it turned out to be very useful.
2018-09-30T01:02:55Z pjb: Yes, it's interesting too.
2018-09-30T01:03:19Z siraben: Zipheir: Factorial with RECURSE https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth/blob/master/programs/factorial.fs
2018-09-30T01:03:43Z siraben: I'm thinking whether I should implement 32 bit numbers somehow
2018-09-30T01:03:58Z pjb: bignums! :-)
2018-09-30T01:04:03Z siraben: Currently the maximum number on the stack at any point can be 65535
2018-09-30T01:04:12Z siraben: pjb: But on an embedded target?
2018-09-30T01:04:19Z pjb: just joking.
2018-09-30T01:04:26Z siraben: pjb: There's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary-coded_decimal
2018-09-30T01:04:53Z siraben: pjb: Used by another program called Cabamap, which is very impressive code indeed https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/323/32326.html
2018-09-30T01:04:56Z pjb: Yes, variable length numbers are good too.  They allowed very small computers such as the 1401 to be actually useful.
2018-09-30T01:05:12Z siraben: I did 2 ^ 3000 on the calculator and it gave the answer in a couple of seconds, damn.
2018-09-30T01:05:20Z siraben: ^ with arbitrary precision
2018-09-30T01:05:22Z pjb: this is why in cobol you have those PIC 9(5) numbers.
2018-09-30T01:05:28Z siraben: PIC?
2018-09-30T01:05:38Z pjb: This allows them to be useful and compute the US budget PIC 9(32) ;-)
2018-09-30T01:05:46Z pjb: for "picture".
2018-09-30T01:05:51Z siraben: pjb: So you've been programming for a very long time!
2018-09-30T01:05:59Z pjb: you define types by how you write them down in a listing.
2018-09-30T01:06:01Z siraben: What did you use before CL?
2018-09-30T01:07:00Z siraben: Zipheir: As a toy experiment I'm thinking of how I could implement "type checking" in Forth, I could have another stack called the "type stack" which stores a space-efficient representation of that types on the main stack, then words would assert the types of their operands before executing.
2018-09-30T01:07:02Z pjb: LSE BASIC Pascal Assembler COBOL C Modula-2 Fortran Ada Forth Ocaml Scheme Common-Lisp etc etc…
2018-09-30T01:07:28Z pjb: siraben: or you could just typetag the words.
2018-09-30T01:07:49Z siraben: There languages that make one think differently.  It's exhilarating.
2018-09-30T01:08:23Z pjb: prolog too.
2018-09-30T01:08:43Z pjb: any language I could put my hands on…
2018-09-30T01:09:15Z Zipheir: "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing." --Alan Perlis
2018-09-30T01:09:16Z siraben: Oh yeah, Prolog is on my languages to learn list
2018-09-30T01:09:22Z siraben: Zipheir: Precisely.
2018-09-30T01:09:32Z siraben: My sentiments with many new languages
2018-09-30T01:12:29Z siraben: pjb: Then again, everything is just a 16-bit number.
2018-09-30T01:13:43Z siraben: pjb: Zipheir: Come to think of it, Forth does have a macro-like system.
2018-09-30T01:14:06Z Zipheir: As Brian Kernighan says in The Go Programming Language, "it's all bits on the bottom, but types are fun."
2018-09-30T01:14:20Z siraben: The way it works is that ":" activates compile mode, so any words after that are compiled into the current definition.  If the word to be compiled is flaged "immediate", then it gets executed instead of being compiled.
2018-09-30T01:14:43Z siraben: So you could implement IF, WHILE, BEGIN, CASE etc. because they insert certain patterns at compile-time
2018-09-30T01:15:00Z Zipheir: Almost like some kind of JIT macro.
2018-09-30T01:15:26Z siraben: And, like quote, there's a way to _stop_ the immediate word from being executed and instead be compiled to the definition
2018-09-30T01:15:39Z siraben: It's like quotation, I guess.
2018-09-30T01:15:48Z Zipheir: Hmm.
2018-09-30T01:16:27Z Zipheir: siraben: I'm going to append Forth onto my languages-to-learn queue.
2018-09-30T01:16:58Z siraben: Forth really is a sharp double-edged sword, you can screw things up if you don't know what you're doing, because there IS no error message except for telling the user that a word is undefined.
2018-09-30T01:17:17Z siraben: It's a matter of taste, I suppose.
2018-09-30T01:18:13Z siraben: Zipheir: I think the interesting languages are the ones that let you change it dramatically
2018-09-30T01:18:25Z siraben: I'm reminded of that talk again, "Growing a Language"
2018-09-30T01:20:26Z ski: Zipheir : <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.scheme/DLkZdLw1qGw> has some more references
2018-09-30T01:21:05Z IGHOR0 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T01:21:19Z Zipheir: ski: ty
2018-09-30T01:21:23Z Zipheir: "What does do do?  Do be do."
2018-09-30T01:21:52Z siraben: Zipheir: An idea: a raytracer for the calculator.
2018-09-30T01:22:37Z Zipheir: siraben: Fun, that's another project I've been meaning to do.
2018-09-30T01:24:21Z siraben: pjb: What was your first computer?
2018-09-30T01:25:43Z siraben: Zipheir: List processing in Forth https://gist.github.com/zeroflag/8e2cb3708310fabfc1b7
2018-09-30T01:25:50Z siraben: map, filter, reduce et al.
2018-09-30T01:27:17Z Zipheir: Pretty elegant.
2018-09-30T01:27:21Z IGHOR0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T01:27:37Z ski: ((do)/2 in ECL^{i}PS^{e} Prolog at <http://eclipseclp.org/doc/tutorial/tutorial025.html>,<http://eclipseclp.org/doc/userman/umsroot023.html> might also be interesting to compare with)
2018-09-30T01:28:02Z siraben: Zipheir: I wonder how minikanren could be implemented in Forth
2018-09-30T01:28:42Z Zipheir: siraben: Hell, I don't want to think about it.
2018-09-30T01:29:03Z Zipheir: siraben: It's way too low-level. You'd need a lot of infrastructure.
2018-09-30T01:29:31Z siraben: Maybe.
2018-09-30T01:29:53Z Zipheir: If you don't have streams, you'd have to use backtracking.
2018-09-30T01:30:04Z siraben: Implement all the things!
2018-09-30T01:30:36Z ski . o O ( Let's backtrack backtracking )
2018-09-30T01:31:21Z siraben: Zipheir: After writing all this assembly, I really appreciate the work that TI put into this calculator
2018-09-30T01:31:36Z siraben: floating point, logs, exponents, imaginary numbers, graphing, etc.
2018-09-30T01:33:24Z Zipheir: siraben: Yes, it's impressive.
2018-09-30T01:35:02Z Zipheir: siraben: People take computers for granted. It's hard to convey to non-programmers how impressive something like a TI-84 is.
2018-09-30T01:37:36Z siraben: Is it worth the $120?
2018-09-30T01:38:27Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T01:38:28Z Zipheir: Hell no. :D
2018-09-30T01:38:48Z Zipheir: Well, it's totally unfair for them to charge that much.
2018-09-30T01:39:01Z siraben: Zipheir: It's funny that we have phones and other computers that can't even be reprogrammed
2018-09-30T01:39:09Z siraben spots RMS coming from afar
2018-09-30T01:39:55Z siraben: ^ reprogrammed by the user for any purpose...<insert GPL here>, it's pretty ridiculous.
2018-09-30T01:39:57Z Zipheir: siraben: The essence of computers is that you can program them, so I think of those devices more as multi-purpose appliances, I guess.
2018-09-30T01:40:02Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T01:40:32Z siraben: The only entity that can reprogram these devices are the manufacturers with software updates
2018-09-30T01:41:46Z Zipheir: Indeed, the hacker utopia of "no users, only programmers" is still far away. :-/
2018-09-30T01:42:40Z Zipheir: So Land of Lisp is really a fun book, despite its convoluted code.
2018-09-30T01:43:56Z Zipheir: This is a book I wish there were a Scheme (or Haskell) version of. It's just funny and enjoyable.
2018-09-30T01:45:59Z cmaloney: Realm of Racket is close enough for Scheme
2018-09-30T01:48:29Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T01:48:36Z Zipheir: cmaloney: ty, didn't know that existed.
2018-09-30T01:48:51Z cmaloney: np
2018-09-30T01:49:44Z andrewschoen joined #scheme
2018-09-30T01:50:04Z siraben: pjb: How come this image doesn't work? https://github.com/siraben/ti84-forth/blob/master/data.png
2018-09-30T01:51:10Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-30T01:52:02Z siraben: pjb: Ah, it must be something with the bit depth.  The previous images were passed through ImageOptim
2018-09-30T01:53:26Z andrewschoen quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T01:57:34Z pjb: siraben: if you remove the assert, then you can replace it with a case on bit-depth, and in the case of data, pixels are RGBA: (0 0 0 255)
2018-09-30T01:59:22Z pjb: since they're still black and white, you can just test the first channel (red).  but since pngload uses a 3D array in this case, we have to change the indexing of bitmap in subrect: (aref bitmap (+ y …) (+ x …) 0)
2018-09-30T01:59:45Z pjb: If they used a 2D array of pixel vectors, we could have processed the pixells in bit-transform…
2018-09-30T01:59:53Z vowels7 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T02:00:21Z pjb: There are are least two other png libraries in quicklisp, you may try them and see if they use a better data structure for the images.
2018-09-30T02:00:41Z pjb: Otherwise we could pass a closure instead of bitmap to subrect.
2018-09-30T02:01:38Z pjb: I've not processed a lot of images with lisp, but I feel that there's mean to do it quite efficiently by using closures instead of vectors to access the pixels.
2018-09-30T02:01:51Z pjb: (and wrapping closures in closures when transforms are needed).
2018-09-30T02:01:54Z vowels7 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-30T02:02:25Z siraben: https://i.imgur.com/5WxF8LN.png
2018-09-30T02:02:59Z siraben: :)
2018-09-30T02:04:02Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T02:05:11Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T02:05:24Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T02:06:37Z ndkT joined #scheme
2018-09-30T02:08:08Z ndkT quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T02:09:05Z epony quit (Quit: QUIT)
2018-09-30T02:16:20Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T02:21:10Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T02:25:57Z ale quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T02:47:54Z siraben: Zipheir: I don't have a decompiler yet, so I'm doing it by hand :(  Wanted to see how the "macros" expanded
2018-09-30T02:48:13Z lockywolf_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T02:49:03Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-30T03:03:34Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T03:05:14Z Zipheir: siraben: Nice!
2018-09-30T03:06:02Z siraben: Zipheir: Ah, I'm writing a word that can "interpret" a string
2018-09-30T03:06:21Z siraben: So I can just copy/paste programs from the computer and flash instead of typing it and making mistakes
2018-09-30T03:12:26Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T03:16:21Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T03:18:54Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T03:31:48Z cmatei10 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T03:33:57Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T03:34:30Z cmatei10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T03:53:08Z karlguy quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-30T03:54:57Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T04:06:39Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-30T04:27:53Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-30T04:28:26Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-30T04:31:08Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T04:51:37Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-30T04:52:03Z ggole joined #scheme
2018-09-30T04:59:28Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:04:26Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T05:24:14Z tanja84dk22 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:26:14Z tanja84dk22 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T05:27:26Z jolros15 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:28:00Z jolros15 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T05:38:59Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T05:39:38Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:54:05Z trash1e joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:57:11Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-30T05:57:29Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T05:58:27Z trash1e quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T06:16:44Z ouemt0 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T06:17:29Z taylan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T06:20:04Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T06:20:51Z ouemt0 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T06:21:04Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-30T06:24:56Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T06:25:50Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T06:41:30Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T06:57:42Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T06:58:37Z abc123abc321 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T07:03:19Z abc123abc321 quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2018-09-30T07:18:35Z lockywolf joined #scheme
2018-09-30T07:25:09Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T07:36:11Z lockywolf_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T07:37:34Z lockywolf quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2018-09-30T07:43:22Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-30T07:49:00Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T07:58:12Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T07:58:14Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:16:07Z florilege joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:19:24Z DeeAitch28 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:21:45Z DeeAitch28 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T08:36:31Z Dave_R joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:41:07Z Mon_Ouie6 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:42:38Z Dave_R quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T08:44:44Z Mon_Ouie6 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T08:45:42Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T08:51:22Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T08:52:22Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T09:04:21Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T09:10:09Z jcowan quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-30T09:20:14Z lockywolf_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2018-09-30T09:40:42Z amz3 quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T09:42:19Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T09:52:28Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T09:54:10Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-30T10:02:08Z epony quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T10:05:05Z lavaflow quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T10:06:06Z lvlinux17 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:07:37Z epony joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:11:06Z lvlinux17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T10:13:24Z yumh quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2018-09-30T10:14:31Z marvin2 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:17:12Z yumh joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:21:09Z sh414 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:21:53Z jfredett joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:22:57Z jfredett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T10:24:11Z gold_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:24:33Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-30T10:27:36Z sh414 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T10:30:09Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T10:30:28Z gold_ quit (Quit: Page closed)
2018-09-30T10:48:55Z ale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:01:53Z amz3 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-30T11:01:53Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:02:04Z Zenton quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T11:02:27Z Zenton joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:07:56Z dgadomski1 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:08:19Z dgadomski1 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T11:15:51Z amz3 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T11:16:06Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:17:31Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:19:39Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:22:20Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T11:28:13Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-30T11:39:00Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:39:45Z lritter joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:51:11Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:54:36Z xurizaemon21 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:56:37Z haam3r joined #scheme
2018-09-30T11:58:24Z amz3 quit (Changing host)
2018-09-30T11:58:24Z amz3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T12:01:44Z lavaflow joined #scheme
2018-09-30T12:01:49Z haam3r quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-30T12:01:49Z xurizaemon21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T12:18:39Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T12:23:30Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T12:24:34Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T12:43:02Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-30T12:43:43Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-30T12:45:29Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-30T12:51:52Z ale quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T12:52:14Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-30T13:02:33Z durandal_170722 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:03:58Z durandal_170722 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T13:04:18Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T13:08:56Z klovett quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T13:09:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:32:25Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:42:14Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:50:23Z GoZoner joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:50:28Z GoZoner quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T13:50:43Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-30T13:53:05Z fourq10 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T13:56:22Z fourq10 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T13:59:53Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:03:45Z karlguy quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T14:04:15Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:06:28Z karlguy quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T14:06:50Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:07:49Z speedio8 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:08:37Z speedio8 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T14:14:09Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:14:41Z nick8325 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:15:42Z ale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:15:44Z GoldRin quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T14:18:22Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:18:33Z preisi19 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:24:46Z preisi19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T14:26:32Z Abitbol17 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:29:02Z Abitbol17 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T14:37:47Z ctrd4 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:38:51Z ctrd4 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T14:41:41Z fresta joined #scheme
2018-09-30T14:47:10Z fresta quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T14:53:55Z massma quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1)
2018-09-30T14:55:10Z ale quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-30T14:57:55Z f8l quit (Quit: move)
2018-09-30T15:02:51Z chrisdickinson7 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:05:41Z chrisdickinson7 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T15:15:31Z merry14 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:18:17Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:19:02Z merry14 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-30T15:25:53Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:27:55Z death91624 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:31:15Z death91624 quit (K-Lined)
2018-09-30T15:31:32Z jkamat18 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:32:36Z jkamat18 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T15:36:06Z erratic joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:46:52Z Maylay14 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:50:00Z jcowan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T15:50:27Z Maylay14 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T15:50:33Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:51:50Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T15:55:16Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T15:59:52Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-30T16:13:20Z ale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:31:27Z simcop238710 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:35:11Z simcop238710 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-30T16:42:02Z crash_19 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:44:07Z crash_19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T16:44:52Z sohail__ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:49:10Z sohail__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T16:49:56Z karlguy quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-30T16:55:45Z klovett_ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:55:46Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T16:59:14Z klovett quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T17:03:28Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T17:30:21Z cemerick joined #scheme
2018-09-30T17:31:08Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T17:31:23Z nick8325 quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2018-09-30T17:32:16Z Zipheir quit (Quit: leaving)
2018-09-30T17:37:01Z edgar-rft quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T17:38:51Z ByronJohnson quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-30T17:39:38Z ByronJohnson joined #scheme
2018-09-30T17:45:01Z amz3 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)
2018-09-30T17:50:48Z Paks joined #scheme
2018-09-30T17:52:58Z TyrfingMjolnir3 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T17:53:08Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T17:53:33Z Paks quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T17:55:26Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-30T17:59:38Z TyrfingMjolnir3 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T18:02:12Z sbp quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:06:59Z ngz joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:19:13Z klovett joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:20:33Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:21:35Z alezost joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:21:47Z qu1j0t3: siraben: fyi https://interplayoflight.wordpress.com/2018/09/30/readings-on-the-state-of-the-art-in-rendering/
2018-09-30T18:21:59Z klovett_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:24:01Z wasamasa: activitypub is the scheme of social networks
2018-09-30T18:25:12Z jao joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:29:24Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:32:57Z X-Scale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:35:28Z nullcone quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2018-09-30T18:41:46Z quipa joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:45:08Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:45:09Z boiko joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:46:16Z boiko quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T18:50:02Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:52:00Z wigust quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:52:21Z wigust joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:54:21Z gravicappa joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:55:05Z niklasl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T18:55:43Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-30T18:58:22Z karlguy quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2018-09-30T18:58:30Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:03:55Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:09:28Z creatoon joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:09:31Z nullcone joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:12:14Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T19:14:05Z creatoon quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-30T19:16:25Z massma joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:21:19Z InverseRhombus joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:23:11Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:24:05Z ggole quit (Quit: ggole)
2018-09-30T19:26:05Z ale quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T19:26:47Z supergauntlet19 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:31:24Z KwukDuck__ joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:32:42Z KwukDuck__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T19:34:03Z supergauntlet19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T19:44:04Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2018-09-30T19:45:18Z daviid quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018-09-30T19:48:31Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T19:48:56Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T19:51:27Z jcowan quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T19:57:23Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:01:30Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:04:02Z sbp joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:11:10Z hugh_marera joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:19:50Z robotoad quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
2018-09-30T20:22:21Z korutsu25 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:24:02Z korutsu25 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T20:25:51Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:26:29Z catern joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:34:47Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:42:29Z karlguy joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:48:20Z ale joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:49:53Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD <http://www.gnu.org/s/guix> and Emacs <http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs>)
2018-09-30T20:53:07Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T20:53:10Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T20:54:52Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:56:39Z lrvick21 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T20:59:28Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T20:59:30Z lrvick21 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T21:02:18Z hugh_marera quit (Quit: hugh_marera)
2018-09-30T21:13:34Z taylan: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/  I like it how Alice and Bob became Alyssa and Ben, LOL
2018-09-30T21:14:48Z taylan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T21:17:45Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T21:21:44Z jcowan quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T21:22:23Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T21:23:28Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T21:26:21Z damjan18 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T21:31:31Z damjan18 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2018-09-30T21:34:30Z ngz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T21:44:25Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T21:48:07Z baudot joined #scheme
2018-09-30T21:52:21Z baudot quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T22:14:11Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2018-09-30T22:17:14Z GoldRin quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-30T22:17:31Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T22:17:54Z GoldRin quit (Client Quit)
2018-09-30T22:18:11Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T22:27:12Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T22:29:17Z GoldRin quit (Quit: Leaving)
2018-09-30T22:29:31Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T22:37:00Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T22:52:31Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T22:53:09Z GoldRin quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T22:57:03Z Dave_R joined #scheme
2018-09-30T22:57:16Z Dave_R quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T22:59:24Z muelleme joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:02:10Z pjb joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:03:15Z daviid joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:05:47Z muelleme quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:09:06Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T23:12:41Z massma quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:18:18Z thegass joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:21:29Z florilege quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:22:18Z fletom27 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:22:51Z niklasl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:23:04Z niklasl joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:23:41Z thegass quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:27:03Z fletom27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T23:28:06Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:31:22Z GoldRin joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:34:47Z robotoad quit (Quit: robotoad)
2018-09-30T23:35:24Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:42:19Z fabianbergmark joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:42:54Z fabianbergmark quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T23:43:00Z Cldfire27 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:46:51Z jcowan quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2018-09-30T23:47:20Z GoldRin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2018-09-30T23:50:11Z Cldfire27 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2018-09-30T23:53:30Z jcowan joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:55:27Z robotoad joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:57:52Z [diablo]19 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:58:08Z prof_work16 joined #scheme
2018-09-30T23:58:13Z [diablo]19 quit (Remote host closed the connection)