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2018-08-01T07:06:50Z Smeef20: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T08:33:02Z fibo_mach: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T10:03:16Z MatthewAllan9312: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T10:03:20Z MatthewAllan9312: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
2018-08-01T10:03:23Z MatthewAllan9312: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
2018-08-01T10:03:58Z ecraven: Riastradh: can you switch the channel to only allow registered users to speak?
2018-08-01T10:04:05Z ecraven: or any other op
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2018-08-01T12:25:15Z t0ne19: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T12:25:19Z t0ne19: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T12:56:59Z beaky23: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T12:56:59Z beaky23: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T13:48:24Z phoe4: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T13:48:27Z phoe4: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T13:49:09Z Peng_29: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T13:49:12Z Peng_29: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T14:00:57Z X-Scale: setting the channel mode to +r would solve this spam madness
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2018-08-01T14:05:30Z jcowan_: or less drastically -q "$~a", which allows unregistered users to join but not speak
2018-08-01T14:05:54Z jcowan_: adding "Unregistered users muted" to the topic helps inform legit users who've never bothered to register
2018-08-01T14:07:38Z ecraven: jcowan_: you also get a notice from freenode when trying to speak
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2018-08-01T14:33:14Z Ovius: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T14:33:17Z Ovius: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T14:56:58Z Connecting: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
2018-08-01T14:56:58Z Connecting: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-01T14:56:59Z Connecting: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-01T15:07:46Z ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh
2018-08-01T15:07:48Z Riastradh has set mode +r
2018-08-01T15:07:49Z Riastradh: Sigh.
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2018-08-01T15:14:51Z qu1j0t3: thanks
2018-08-01T15:17:24Z ecraven: Riastradh: -q $~a might be better :-/
2018-08-01T15:17:40Z Riastradh: Remind me the difference?
2018-08-01T15:18:35Z ecraven: +r is only registered can join
2018-08-01T15:18:44Z ecraven: that -q thing is only registered can talk (but everyone can listen)
2018-08-01T15:18:50Z Riastradh: Hmm, OK.
2018-08-01T15:19:00Z Riastradh: -q $~a?  Not +q $~a?
2018-08-01T15:19:46Z ecraven: I think -q for quiet
2018-08-01T15:19:57Z ecraven: wait, probably +q, you are right
2018-08-01T15:19:59Z Riastradh: I thought it was +q PAT to quiet anything matching PAT.
2018-08-01T15:20:00Z Riastradh: OK.
2018-08-01T15:20:05Z ecraven: yes, +q
2018-08-01T15:20:05Z Riastradh has set mode -r+q $~a
2018-08-01T15:20:10Z ecraven: thanks
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2018-08-01T15:36:40Z duncanm: hey ecraven and Riastradh!
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2018-08-01T15:40:31Z Riastradh: Hi duncanm!
2018-08-01T15:40:43Z ecraven: hey duncanm ;)
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2018-08-01T18:21:26Z Zipheir`: amz31: o/
2018-08-01T18:22:12Z Zipheir`: jcowan_: I'm enjoying SRFI-128 very much! As usual, thanks for your hard work on Scheme.
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2018-08-03T01:16:06Z siraben: Hey Zipheir`
2018-08-03T01:27:34Z Zipheir`: siraben: o/
2018-08-03T01:28:01Z siraben: Zipheir`: I'm complementing writing a Forth interpreter for my compiler
2018-08-03T01:28:05Z siraben: contemplating*
2018-08-03T01:28:19Z siraben: Seems appropriate
2018-08-03T01:28:42Z Zipheir`: siraben: In Scheme?
2018-08-03T01:28:44Z siraben: Yeah
2018-08-03T01:29:07Z siraben: Here's one in Common Lisp https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/forth-metacompiler
2018-08-03T01:29:14Z Zipheir`: Interesting. I know next to nothing about Forth. :x
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2018-08-03T01:29:24Z siraben: It's an...interesting language.
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2018-08-03T01:30:43Z siraben: But it's crazy that most of the actual work in a Scheme compiler is closures, GC, tail call elimination(!), evaluation strategy etc.
2018-08-03T01:31:01Z Zipheir`: Yeah, those are the hard parts
2018-08-03T01:31:15Z siraben: And it still won't be very efficient
2018-08-03T01:31:36Z siraben: Whereas if I write in Forth, I'm basically at the assembly level but I have a language to extend it infinitely
2018-08-03T01:31:59Z Zipheir`: That's an interesting idea.
2018-08-03T01:32:19Z siraben: e.g. (define (square x) (* x x)) can be translated roughly to ": square dup * ;"
2018-08-03T01:32:26Z siraben: Then I can use it as a primitive
2018-08-03T01:32:35Z siraben: 10 square => 100
2018-08-03T01:32:43Z siraben: Yeah, it's this weird RPN, stack based style
2018-08-03T01:32:49Z siraben: But parsing it in Scheme might not be too hard
2018-08-03T01:33:02Z siraben: I just need to split the string by whitespace
2018-08-03T01:34:42Z Zipheir`: It's funny to write a parser for a postfix lang in Lisp
2018-08-03T01:35:20Z Zipheir`: Not hard, just funny
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2018-08-03T01:41:57Z jcowan: O wote a Joh interpreter in Scheme, though it doesn't have the full library
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2018-08-03T01:42:37Z jcowan: er, I wrote a Joy interpreter
2018-08-03T01:42:41Z jcowan: http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan/joy.ss
2018-08-03T01:44:03Z siraben: DEFINE square == dup * .
2018-08-03T01:44:10Z siraben: Looks like Forth!!!
2018-08-03T01:49:52Z Zipheir`: Nice simple interpreter code there, jcowan
2018-08-03T01:50:21Z jcowan: It is like Forth, except that you can push arbitrarily large objects on the stack.
2018-08-03T01:50:40Z jcowan: In particular, vectors (and vecotrs and functions are the same thing)
2018-08-03T01:51:32Z jcowan: so instead of "= 3 4 if blah else bleah then" you write "[blah] [bleah] = 2 3 if"
2018-08-03T01:52:42Z jcowan: http://www.kevinalbrecht.com/code/joy-mirror/joy.html <-- Joy web site
2018-08-03T01:53:15Z jcowan: Joy is pure functional but lacks variable bindings (other than global ones)
2018-08-03T01:53:51Z Zipheir`: According to WP it's inspired by Backus' FP, which is cool
2018-08-03T01:55:58Z Zipheir`: I need to take off my Scheme goggles to read this, with them on it's like reading Arabic
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2018-08-03T02:00:10Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/forth/
2018-08-03T02:01:07Z siraben: I wonder with postfix notation is more suitable for right to left language readers
2018-08-03T02:02:43Z Zipheir`: siraben: ty
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2018-08-03T02:03:32Z siraben: If I can get I/O in Forth, writing a Scheme interpreter would be...
2018-08-03T02:03:43Z siraben: What's the right adjective.
2018-08-03T02:03:47Z siraben: suicidal?
2018-08-03T02:04:29Z Zipheir`: Maybe?
2018-08-03T02:04:30Z siraben: "If C gives you enough rope to hang yourself with, Forth is like a flamethrower with cobras waiting to explode."
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2018-08-03T02:04:48Z Zipheir`: I thought that was C++...
2018-08-03T02:05:14Z Zipheir`: Joy looks really interesting and would probably be a lot of fun to implement in Scheme.
2018-08-03T02:05:29Z siraben: I like this phrase from Thinking Forth: "An artist’s paintbrush doesn’t notify the artist of a mistake; the painter will be the judge of that. The chef’s skillet and the composer’s piano remain simple and yielding. Why let a programming language try to out-think you?"
2018-08-03T02:05:48Z siraben: Justification for an unforgiving langauge haha
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2018-08-03T02:07:08Z Zipheir`: Yeah, really. Reminds me of Ken Thompson's explanation of ed's '?' error message--"you'll usually know what's wrong"
2018-08-03T02:07:35Z siraben: Can't tell whether I agree with that philosophy
2018-08-03T02:09:36Z Zipheir`: For a text editor it's defensible. For a compiler, I'd say not.
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2018-08-03T02:10:00Z siraben: I suppose the best use case is in embedded
2018-08-03T02:10:14Z Zipheir`: For Forth, you mean?
2018-08-03T02:10:18Z siraben: Embedded systems are usually small enough to hold in your head, or safely abstract
2018-08-03T02:10:20Z siraben: yeah
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2018-08-03T02:12:13Z Zipheir`: It does look far more low-level than anything I'd ever really want to program in
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2018-08-03T02:12:45Z siraben: What sort of languages do you program in?
2018-08-03T02:12:57Z siraben: well, Haskell, Scheme obviously
2018-08-03T02:13:20Z siraben: But it's interesting to meet people on the other side of the fence (mostly embedded devs) who don't like this FP nonsense
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2018-08-03T02:13:31Z siraben: Hence why I looked into Forth
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2018-08-03T02:15:06Z Zipheir`: siraben: Yeah, I've been sticking to Scheme and Haskell lately, with occasional C.
2018-08-03T02:15:25Z siraben: Zipheir`: Have you heard of Purescript?
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2018-08-03T02:15:49Z siraben: I've thought about doing some web stuff before but Javascript was really not a nice language.
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2018-08-03T02:16:21Z Zipheir`: siraben: Nope, I'll have to look it up.
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2018-08-03T02:16:31Z Zipheir`: siraben: Also, yeah, JS :-p
2018-08-03T02:16:32Z siraben: http://www.purescript.org/
2018-08-03T02:17:35Z siraben: You know a language is bad when you have compilers to that language :P
2018-08-03T02:17:58Z Zipheir`: Um, all assembly languages then?
2018-08-03T02:18:49Z Zipheir`: Oh, ok. This looks quite a bit like Haskell.
2018-08-03T02:19:11Z siraben: Zipheir`: Otherwise we'd be looking at ASM all this time
2018-08-03T02:20:43Z siraben: Functors, Semigroups, all this category theory jargon
2018-08-03T02:21:01Z Zipheir`: I don't think the whole compile-to-JS trend is a sign of how bad JS is, more a sign of how critical a language it's become
2018-08-03T02:21:18Z siraben: But JS is inherently a bad language
2018-08-03T02:22:31Z Zipheir`: I mean, it was basically intended to do cute little scripting tricks on flat HTML pages
2018-08-03T02:22:32Z siraben: e.g. Why  does {} + [] give you 0 instead of a type error
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2018-08-03T02:23:42Z Zipheir`: Agreed, that's retarded behavior
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2018-08-03T02:24:27Z Zipheir`: There's WebASM, but idk if that's moving forward or if everyone's just going to stick to the devil they know.
2018-08-03T02:24:51Z aeth: In the long run, JavaScript is dead.
2018-08-03T02:24:56Z aeth: "dead"
2018-08-03T02:25:27Z aeth: I've been around long enough to see the Internet shift from PHP+Perl to Python+Ruby+Clojure to JavaScript.
2018-08-03T02:25:55Z aeth: WASM opens the door for some new trendy language to come along, do 10% of things better, do 20% of things worse, but largely be the same.
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2018-08-03T02:26:35Z Zipheir`: Paraphrasing Friedrich Nietzsche, all terrible languages return to life after a few decades.
2018-08-03T02:26:47Z siraben: Assembly on a Javascript VM on a processor in assembly
2018-08-03T02:26:54Z aeth: Whatever replaces JS will probably be a new WASM-native language, and it'll probably be run server-side in WASM, too.
2018-08-03T02:26:55Z siraben: Zipheir`: Lisp never dies!!!
2018-08-03T02:27:04Z akkad: Zipheir`: "anything common is of little value" -nietzsche
2018-08-03T02:27:25Z Zipheir`: akkad: Common Lisp?
2018-08-03T02:27:28Z akkad: re: his critique of common lisp
2018-08-03T02:27:40Z akkad: ecraven: poke
2018-08-03T02:27:55Z akkad: common lisp is Old Testament Lisp
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2018-08-03T02:28:23Z siraben: But what about Scheme
2018-08-03T02:29:17Z aeth: Emacs Lisp is Old Testament Lisp. Common Lisp adds the Apocrypha.
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2018-08-03T02:29:35Z akkad: srfi's are the the book of mormon
2018-08-03T02:29:45Z aeth: No, Clojure is probably the Book of Mormon
2018-08-03T02:29:56Z siraben: What would be the Epic of Gilgamesh, Euclid's Elements etc.?
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2018-08-03T02:30:24Z Zipheir`: λ-calculus is one of those, but the category's getting pretty wide
2018-08-03T02:30:29Z akkad: gilgames, sh assumes a semetic language, which Sumerian is not
2018-08-03T02:31:00Z siraben: Zipheir`: What if FP becomes another trendy thing like OOP was?
2018-08-03T02:31:02Z Zipheir`: OOP is Ptolemaic astronomy, to be sure :)
2018-08-03T02:31:14Z siraben: Are we in the renaissance?
2018-08-03T02:31:17Z aeth: Fortran is Hinduism. Very old, still around.
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2018-08-03T02:31:43Z aeth: COBOL is probably Zoroastrianism.
2018-08-03T02:31:53Z Zipheir`: siraben: Honestly, it could only be better.
2018-08-03T02:32:06Z siraben: What would be the downfall of FP?
2018-08-03T02:32:22Z aeth: FP is already the trendy thing
2018-08-03T02:32:48Z Zipheir`: I would say all the jargon, but people love jargon.
2018-08-03T02:32:53Z siraben: What was the downfall of OOP?
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2018-08-03T02:34:10Z Zipheir`: siraben: The worst enemy of most fads is a new and shinier fad.
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2018-08-03T02:35:26Z Zipheir`: siraben: I really don't think OOP has had a downfall yet. It's not the huge thing it was 10 years ago, though.
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2018-08-03T02:35:36Z siraben: What was before OOP?
2018-08-03T02:35:41Z siraben: was popular
2018-08-03T02:36:09Z aeth: The thing before OOP was structured programming
2018-08-03T02:36:26Z siraben: And back in the good old days we had lambda calculus and turing machines
2018-08-03T02:36:53Z aeth: (I don't think structured programming is going to be dead anytime soon, btw)
2018-08-03T02:39:14Z aeth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming
2018-08-03T02:39:53Z Zipheir`: No, and it really was a good thing. Pre-structured programming code was unbelievable. Some of the examples in _The Elements of Programming Style_ make my eyes bleed.
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2018-08-03T02:42:02Z siraben: Zipheir`: For instance?
2018-08-03T02:42:17Z siraben: Eww GOTO
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2018-08-03T02:45:36Z aeth: siraben: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
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2018-08-03T02:46:07Z Zipheir`: siraben: I can't find any good examples atm, but TEPS is available online and has lots of terrible goto abuse http://www2.ing.unipi.it/~a009435/issw/extra/kp_elems_of_pgmng_sty.pdf
2018-08-03T02:46:26Z Zipheir`: aeth: A classic :)
2018-08-03T02:46:54Z siraben: I find it ironic that it's called "Elements of Programming Style" and has bad style itself.
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2018-08-03T02:48:12Z Zipheir`: Well, that's the danger of writing a style guide.
2018-08-03T02:48:26Z siraben: Well, there's a constant tension between high and low level languages
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2018-08-03T02:48:50Z Zipheir`: People love to point out all the places Strunk & White ignored their rules in the famous book that presented them.
2018-08-03T02:49:06Z Zipheir`: How so?
2018-08-03T02:50:19Z siraben: Well, if you want to work with hardware, you really have to get down there because a compiler may produce too much baggage or you have to pull in a standard library
2018-08-03T02:50:27Z siraben: On the other hand, low level languages are unsafe for large applications
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2018-08-03T02:51:34Z siraben: I don't know, just an observation
2018-08-03T02:52:08Z siraben: Zipheir`: But it's especially apparent in my work with the TI-84 compiler, the compiled code really is bad, and hand-writing ASM would probably be better
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2018-08-03T02:53:03Z Zipheir`: OK, I see what you mean
2018-08-03T02:53:34Z siraben: I could write a super duper compiler, but that's overkill
2018-08-03T02:54:09Z aeth: A bad compiler just means a bad compiler
2018-08-03T02:54:21Z siraben: Right
2018-08-03T02:54:22Z Zipheir`: Speaking of which, I was messing about with your SICP-register-language compiler, but apparently getting code onto a TI-84 is an enormous pain?
2018-08-03T02:54:29Z siraben: Zipheir`: Not so
2018-08-03T02:54:43Z siraben: Do you have a Windows or Mac machine?
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2018-08-03T02:54:54Z siraben: Unfortunately you need to get some proprietary software
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2018-08-03T02:55:01Z Zipheir`: Yeah, that's the problem.
2018-08-03T02:55:12Z siraben: https://education.ti.com/en/products/computer-software/ti-connect-sw
2018-08-03T02:55:26Z siraben: Or you could get an emulator I suppose
2018-08-03T02:55:31Z Zipheir`: Someone reverse-engineered the protocol and made something called tlip, I think.
2018-08-03T02:55:38Z Zipheir`: Stupid TI
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2018-08-03T02:55:49Z siraben: Why is TI so bad
2018-08-03T02:56:08Z siraben: Make an overpriced calculator, proprietary software, can't even legally modify the OS
2018-08-03T02:56:20Z siraben: Except for embedded they make pretty good chips
2018-08-03T02:56:26Z Zipheir`: Oh yeah, totally awesome people :-P
2018-08-03T02:57:39Z aeth: siraben: They don't want to make a better calculator. They make calculators for students to take tests with. (1) The students are required to buy it. (2) If they make it any better they're just making it easier to cheat.
2018-08-03T02:57:41Z Zipheir`: Anyway, I'm enjoying your compiler (transsembler?)
2018-08-03T02:57:43Z aeth: Perfect incentive to never innovate.
2018-08-03T02:57:47Z Zipheir`: ^^ siraben
2018-08-03T02:58:12Z Zipheir`: aeth: Exactly.
2018-08-03T02:58:19Z siraben: Zipheir`: haha
2018-08-03T02:58:30Z siraben: Zipheir`: It's very ad-hoc
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2018-08-03T02:58:39Z siraben: I adapted it from my SICP to C compiler
2018-08-03T02:59:15Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://github.com/siraben/scheme-to-c
2018-08-03T02:59:18Z aeth: Oh, and anything that seriously requires a calculator is probably done on a computer (or phone) instead.
2018-08-03T02:59:20Z Zipheir`: aeth: Actually, the question of what constitutes an "unfair" test-taking calculator is interesting
2018-08-03T02:59:36Z siraben: aeth: Zipheir`: I have a calculator that's Turing Complete
2018-08-03T02:59:39Z siraben: It can do anything
2018-08-03T02:59:50Z siraben: So "unfair" is a weird definition
2018-08-03T03:00:47Z aeth: They don't want to make it too easy, though. So that's why calculators that have a QWERTY keyboard are usually banned from standardized tests
2018-08-03T03:00:48Z Zipheir`: Right. Why is an 80 KHz processor more fair than a 1.7 GHz?
2018-08-03T03:01:22Z siraben: It's also discriminatory
2018-08-03T03:01:26Z siraben: The price barrier
2018-08-03T03:01:34Z siraben: They should just write tests that don't need calculators
2018-08-03T03:01:39Z siraben: Or require a desk calculator
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2018-08-03T03:01:50Z siraben: Graphing hardly helps unless you make it so
2018-08-03T03:02:24Z Zipheir`: siraben: Students are a captive market, so they charge whatever they can get away with :-/
2018-08-03T03:02:49Z Zipheir`: siraben: So does this thing emit C yet?
2018-08-03T03:02:51Z siraben: destroy the capitalists!
2018-08-03T03:02:55Z aeth: siraben: Most college math classes don't require a calculator because you can usually just structure the questions so that you can just test what needs to be tested
2018-08-03T03:02:57Z siraben: Zipheir`: Not exactly C ;)
2018-08-03T03:03:09Z aeth: s/don't/shouldn't/
2018-08-03T03:03:13Z siraben: Zipheir`: I made a register machine in C...
2018-08-03T03:03:19Z aeth: K-12 math is just terribly taught
2018-08-03T03:03:25Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://github.com/siraben/scheme-to-c/blob/master/scheme-primitives.c
2018-08-03T03:03:48Z siraben: Well not a register machine per se
2018-08-03T03:03:50Z aeth: siraben: 80 KHz is fairer than GHz because it requires you to write optimized code, not naively. And they probably don't expect most students to do so
2018-08-03T03:03:58Z siraben: Zipheir`: Meh I keep machine half-baked compilers, but it gets better each time
2018-08-03T03:04:09Z siraben: s/machine/making
2018-08-03T03:04:37Z siraben: aeth: But I'm going to write optimized code!!!
2018-08-03T03:05:29Z Zipheir`: aeth: Good point. But don't test proctors usually wipe the devices?
2018-08-03T03:05:59Z aeth: Zipheir`: The real reason is that each year they don't make a significant change but charge the same amount, their margins increase
2018-08-03T03:06:03Z siraben: Zipheir`: They ask us to "Clear RAM"
2018-08-03T03:06:22Z siraben: But clearing RAM doesn't erase archived data (i.e. in flash memory)
2018-08-03T03:07:34Z Zipheir`: aeth: Right. And business is good. I believe the CEO of The College Board was (is?) paid more than the president of Harvard.
2018-08-03T03:07:46Z siraben: College Board gets a shit load of money
2018-08-03T03:08:05Z siraben: Make a test required by everyone in the world, and voila, free money
2018-08-03T03:08:23Z Zipheir`: Bingo
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2018-08-03T03:08:58Z siraben: Why don't we tell College Board to write a CS exam using Scheme
2018-08-03T03:09:07Z Zipheir`: Although there is some competition, at least (in the US) between the ACT and the SAT
2018-08-03T03:09:18Z siraben: ACT is way more unpopular here than the SAT
2018-08-03T03:09:23Z siraben: Although I find the ACT easier
2018-08-03T03:09:24Z aeth: Every step of education has these sorts of companies making ridiculous profits. From standardized testing companies up to academic journals.
2018-08-03T03:10:12Z siraben: aeth: The thing with standardized testing is that the students are too young to have any legal opinion, so they get exploited
2018-08-03T03:10:25Z siraben: Whereas with academic journals there's starting to be more backlash
2018-08-03T03:10:52Z Zipheir`: In both cases there's a huge incentive to just do as you're told.
2018-08-03T03:11:21Z Zipheir`: Unfortunately to the detriment of learning in general.
2018-08-03T03:11:57Z Zipheir`: --in the case of greedy journals. More to the detriment of your wallet in the case of tests.
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2018-08-03T03:16:32Z Zipheir`: siraben: But you're totally right that the College Board should find something less insane than Java to do their CS exams in.
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2018-08-03T03:17:00Z siraben: They're using a _subset_ of Java too! https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap-computer-science-a-java-subset.pdf
2018-08-03T03:17:27Z siraben: The only primitive types they test are int double and boolean
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2018-08-03T03:17:52Z siraben: No bitshifts, I/O, exceptions, private, protected etc.
2018-08-03T03:18:03Z siraben: Basically it's not even Java
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2018-08-03T03:19:13Z Zipheir`: Probably to make it easier for the people who evaluate the answers
2018-08-03T03:19:38Z siraben: I wanted to code golf my answers :p
2018-08-03T03:19:47Z siraben: But code golfing in Java is hard, especially with this subset
2018-08-03T03:19:55Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-03T03:20:07Z siraben: Haha code golfing in Scheme
2018-08-03T03:20:11Z siraben: All those parens
2018-08-03T03:20:12Z Zipheir`: They really don't want something like https://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html
2018-08-03T03:20:42Z Zipheir`: BTW, that page is hilarious
2018-08-03T03:20:42Z siraben: I laughed at "Studied Scheme as a Freshman"
2018-08-03T03:20:46Z siraben: That code
2018-08-03T03:20:51Z siraben: Peano player
2018-08-03T03:20:54Z siraben: Holy crap
2018-08-03T03:21:48Z Zipheir`: Some of those later implementations are monsters
2018-08-03T03:22:05Z siraben: I'm laughing so much
2018-08-03T03:22:06Z siraben: lol
2018-08-03T03:22:12Z Zipheir`: More grist for aeth's "Haskell is an esolang" theory :D
2018-08-03T03:22:26Z siraben: I don't get (raised RABBITS in early years, then moved to New Jersey)
2018-08-03T03:22:29Z siraben: New Jersey?
2018-08-03T03:22:43Z siraben: it's the RABBIT scheme compiler, but what does New Jersey have to do with it?
2018-08-03T03:23:02Z Zipheir`: SML/NJ compiler, I think
2018-08-03T03:23:18Z Zipheir`: There's an explanation further down
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2018-08-03T03:24:12Z Zipheir`: "Pointless^^^^^^^ (ahem) Points-free Haskell programmer" <- lol
2018-08-03T03:24:56Z siraben: As I scroll down I understand less
2018-08-03T03:25:31Z siraben: Should be using greek letters for the later code examples
2018-08-03T03:26:45Z Zipheir`: I see some phis and psis in there.
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2018-08-03T03:27:14Z siraben: zygo chi = gcata (fork (fmap outl) (chi . fmap outr))
2018-08-03T03:27:57Z Zipheir`: Yeah, it's all greek to me.
2018-08-03T03:28:20Z siraben: How can I do category theory with Scheme?
2018-08-03T03:28:34Z siraben: The concepts don't translate well it seems
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2018-08-03T03:39:44Z Zipheir`: siraben: bbl, happy hacking in the meantime
2018-08-03T03:40:06Z siraben: Zipheir`: Thanks, see you.
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2018-08-03T10:20:38Z felbx: Please can anyone tell me the output is wright in https://pastebin.com/B3kkrWjv ?
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2018-08-03T16:21:15Z quipa: Hello, Reading R5RS and I am trying to understand what is the difference between and expression types and forms
2018-08-03T16:21:32Z quipa: basically reading chapter 4 and 5
2018-08-03T16:22:34Z quipa: and why in chapter 4 the use this style to present expressions types `syntax: (lambda <formals> <body>)`
2018-08-03T16:23:14Z quipa: and they stop using it in Chapter 5`
2018-08-03T16:24:53Z Zipheir`: What's weird about it?
2018-08-03T16:25:42Z quipa: while they use it in both Chapter 4 and 6
2018-08-03T16:25:47Z quipa: but they don't in 5
2018-08-03T16:26:40Z Zipheir`: quipa: https://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-4.html#%_sec_1.3
2018-08-03T16:26:44Z quipa: I'm reading it up and using the defined templates to make a simple tags file for geany (to get autocompletion and a description on how to use the expression type, definition and procedures in Chapters 4, 5 and 6)
2018-08-03T16:27:37Z quipa:  Chapters 4 and 6 are organized into entries. Each entry describes one language feature or a group of related features, where a feature is either a syntactic construct or a built-in procedure. An entry begins with one or more header lines of the form
2018-08-03T16:27:38Z quipa: category:  template
2018-08-03T16:27:52Z quipa: why did they not use that in Chapter 5 (they sort of do anyways)
2018-08-03T16:28:29Z quipa:  `A definition should have one of the following forms:
2018-08-03T16:28:30Z quipa:     (define <variable> <expression>)`
2018-08-03T16:28:42Z Zipheir`: Right, ch. 5 doesn't use that form.
2018-08-03T16:28:58Z quipa: compare to for example syntax:  (lambda <formals> <body>)
2018-08-03T16:29:00Z quipa: yeah
2018-08-03T16:29:14Z quipa: I mean it's not the worse thing but it does seem inconsistent
2018-08-03T16:29:27Z Zipheir`: And neither does R7RS in chapter 5.
2018-08-03T16:29:45Z Zipheir`: I guess that's a question for the RnRS authors.
2018-08-03T16:29:55Z quipa: yup I guess ;)
2018-08-03T16:30:02Z Zipheir`: Because define is magic, maybe :)
2018-08-03T16:30:10Z quipa: hehe yeah maybe!
2018-08-03T16:30:22Z quipa: but I mean define is a form but not a expression type?
2018-08-03T16:30:27Z quipa: that is sort of my question
2018-08-03T16:30:40Z quipa: and is cond both a form and expression type or just expression type
2018-08-03T16:31:36Z quipa: I kind of get the jist but wonder what is the exact difference between form, expression type and procedure (although that last one seems more easy to distinguish from the others)
2018-08-03T16:32:12Z Zipheir`: A definition is definitely not an expression, but cond is. I'm not sure what you mean by 'expression type'.
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2018-08-03T16:32:29Z quipa: well that seems to be the term they use
2018-08-03T16:32:54Z quipa: Expression types are categorized as primitive or derived. Primitive expression types include variables and procedure calls. Derived expression types are not semantically primitive, but can instead be defined as macros.
2018-08-03T16:33:19Z quipa: I guess a expression type is a a variable, a procedure or a macro?
2018-08-03T16:33:22Z quipa: is that it?
2018-08-03T16:34:15Z quipa: does that make sense or am I misunderstanding?
2018-08-03T16:34:27Z Zipheir`: My working understand is that an expression is something that reduces to a value.
2018-08-03T16:34:38Z quipa: sure that I can follow
2018-08-03T16:34:44Z quipa: but expression type :P
2018-08-03T16:34:49Z quipa: what the heck is that hehe
2018-08-03T16:35:13Z Zipheir`: Can you give me a place that 'expression type' occurs in R5?
2018-08-03T16:35:15Z quipa: but yeah I get the general ideas just wondering about the details
2018-08-03T16:35:22Z Zipheir`: Oh, you just did. Sorry. :)
2018-08-03T16:35:39Z quipa: https://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_chap_4
2018-08-03T16:35:53Z quipa: Zipheir`:  right at the start :P
2018-08-03T16:36:54Z quipa: interesting definition of macros: Program-defined expression types have the syntax
2018-08-03T16:38:01Z Zipheir`: As I read it, this is just a way to say 'expressions come in two flavors', not that there is some idea of expression type that a programmer has to worry about.
2018-08-03T16:38:21Z quipa: yup I guess :P
2018-08-03T16:38:31Z Zipheir`: You never program with expressions in Scheme anyway, just values.
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2018-08-03T16:38:50Z quipa: just values?
2018-08-03T16:38:56Z quipa: in what sense
2018-08-03T16:39:11Z quipa: isn't a if an expression?
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2018-08-03T16:39:28Z Zipheir`: But a well-formed if expression must evaluate to a value.
2018-08-03T16:39:34Z quipa: sure
2018-08-03T16:39:42Z quipa: but they are two separate things no
2018-08-03T16:39:57Z Zipheir`: e.g. (append '(1 2 3) (if #t '(4) '(5)))
2018-08-03T16:40:11Z quipa: just as '(+ 1 2) is not 3
2018-08-03T16:40:35Z quipa: I mean the first is a quoted expression (if I get the terminology right)
2018-08-03T16:40:48Z Zipheir`: Yeah
2018-08-03T16:40:50Z quipa: but until it's evaluated it won't give you a 3
2018-08-03T16:41:10Z Zipheir`: Right. The point is expressions are always evaluated, they aren't first class.
2018-08-03T16:41:19Z Zipheir`: I can't return a cond expression, say.
2018-08-03T16:41:33Z quipa: hum ok I get what you mean now
2018-08-03T16:41:48Z quipa: you'd have to quote it to be able to pass something like an "expression" around yes/
2018-08-03T16:41:50Z quipa: yes?
2018-08-03T16:42:09Z quipa: it isn't really a true expression, just a representation of it
2018-08-03T16:42:23Z quipa: makes sense? or ..?
2018-08-03T16:42:32Z quipa: Still new to Scheme / Lisp notice
2018-08-03T16:42:33Z Zipheir`: But it's not the same thing. If you return '(cond (...)), it's just a list beginning with the symbol cond
2018-08-03T16:42:37Z Zipheir`: Exactly
2018-08-03T16:42:50Z quipa: okay I get what you mean now ;)
2018-08-03T16:42:52Z quipa: cool
2018-08-03T16:43:00Z Zipheir`: quote is weird
2018-08-03T16:43:12Z quipa: I actually started to like it
2018-08-03T16:43:18Z quipa: thought it was wierd in the beginning
2018-08-03T16:43:28Z quipa: but realising I could car and cdr of it
2018-08-03T16:43:30Z quipa: is really nice
2018-08-03T16:43:41Z quipa: over it*
2018-08-03T16:43:53Z quipa: I mean in Python which where I am coming from
2018-08-03T16:43:55Z amz31: hello, my name amz31 and I code scheme without knowing the difference between form and expression
2018-08-03T16:44:06Z quipa: think to do something like that you have to go into abstract tree land
2018-08-03T16:44:06Z Zipheir`: hey amz31 :D
2018-08-03T16:44:18Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-03T16:44:30Z amz31: quipa: i am also a pythonista
2018-08-03T16:44:45Z quipa: or evaluate a expression
2018-08-03T16:44:53Z quipa: a expression in a string
2018-08-03T16:45:00Z quipa: amz31: cool :)
2018-08-03T16:45:20Z quipa: At least in my knowledge you can't just car or cdr around
2018-08-03T16:45:27Z Zipheir`: quipa: One more point: that's a key thing about procedures: they _are_ first class and you can return them.
2018-08-03T16:45:31Z quipa: it's funny I read the first bit of little lisper a long time ago
2018-08-03T16:45:36Z quipa: and I found it really confusing
2018-08-03T16:45:58Z quipa: hum wonder what a language with first class expressions would look like
2018-08-03T16:45:59Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-03T16:46:08Z quipa: is there such a thing
2018-08-03T16:46:24Z amz31: quipa: I started with elisp 10 years ago but did most of my career in python and js.
2018-08-03T16:46:25Z Zipheir`: The C preprocessor :)
2018-08-03T16:46:55Z quipa: ah hehe yeah I guess so (not that I know much C but I get the idea)
2018-08-03T16:47:17Z quipa: by the way I was asking over at racket something interesting
2018-08-03T16:47:21Z amz31: well, with quote you get somekind of expression, it's seems like first class expression to me
2018-08-03T16:47:29Z quipa: and from what I understood it's basically not possible to do it
2018-08-03T16:47:35Z amz31: yesM
2018-08-03T16:47:41Z amz31: what is it?
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2018-08-03T16:47:59Z Zipheir`: amz31: Through a Gödelian lens, I guess that's true.
2018-08-03T16:48:17Z quipa: amz31: yeah it's a bit like what I was saying to Zipheir`
2018-08-03T16:48:25Z amz31: quipa: i think one good example of meta programming technic in scheme is define-record-type whether it comes from srfi-9 or somewhere else
2018-08-03T16:48:56Z amz31: quipa: btw, i never use classes in scheme :)
2018-08-03T16:49:09Z quipa: hum okay! Once I read the core stuff all check the srfis they look really interesting too
2018-08-03T16:49:13Z amz31: where i heavly rely on class in equivalent python code
2018-08-03T16:49:31Z quipa: amz31: It's actually one of the reasons I am disenchanted with python
2018-08-03T16:49:52Z quipa: kind of sick of having to do a class for some basic data structures that don't really need methods
2018-08-03T16:49:57Z amz31: quipa: as you wish. the alterntative is decyphering / desconstruct + reconstruct semantic from the syntax aka. guessing what it does
2018-08-03T16:50:19Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-03T16:50:21Z amz31: quipa: look for immutability concepts
2018-08-03T16:50:59Z amz31: i think racket has a different story regarding immutability compared to guile
2018-08-03T16:51:15Z quipa: I mean data classes seems like it might improve that, but having learnt python as a first languages I was in awe when I realised other languages had structs
2018-08-03T16:51:33Z amz31: data class is a troll in scheme land
2018-08-03T16:51:38Z amz31: afaiu
2018-08-03T16:51:55Z amz31: define-record-type has mannnnyy definitions
2018-08-03T16:52:12Z amz31: never ask which one too choose in #scheme
2018-08-03T16:52:18Z quipa: hehe alrighty I'll have too look into it
2018-08-03T16:52:32Z quipa: hehe will it start flame wars?
2018-08-03T16:52:36Z amz31: quipa: that said in happens in python too with things like attrs
2018-08-03T16:52:44Z Zipheir`: Some Schemes implement record type inheiritance, if you want something like data classes.
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2018-08-03T16:53:25Z amz31: there is several implementation of the same idea which was standardized in the python stdlib. for it's too much syntax for python. In scheme i choose srfi-9 because it's verbose
2018-08-03T16:53:45Z amz31: but some time I miss inheritance tbh
2018-08-03T16:53:54Z Zipheir`: amz31: verbose == doesn't hide 15 procedure definitions behind your back?
2018-08-03T16:54:03Z amz31: I pass procedures as argument in those cases
2018-08-03T16:54:04Z quipa_: sorry me client crashed for some reason
2018-08-03T16:54:06Z amz31: Zipheir`: ye
2018-08-03T16:54:17Z amz31: 18:52:43 Zipheir` | Some Schemes implement record type inheiritance, if you want something like data classes.
2018-08-03T16:54:28Z quipa_: yeah think racket has some kind of struct inheritance I think
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2018-08-03T16:55:19Z Zipheir`: But for ad-hoc polymorphism, SRFI 128 is my new favorite.
2018-08-03T16:55:41Z amz31: quipa_: you know, I started scheme because of functional programming, dynamic nature, immutability and no Global Interpreter Lock (the community is nice too)
2018-08-03T16:56:06Z amz31: quipa_: but racket has a different story regarding threads compared to CPython anyway
2018-08-03T16:56:21Z amz31: CPython is more like Guile except it doesn't have GIL
2018-08-03T16:56:30Z Zipheir`: GIL?
2018-08-03T16:56:36Z amz31: Global Interpreter Lock
2018-08-03T16:56:55Z Zipheir`: I guess I'll just look it up.
2018-08-03T16:57:03Z amz31: it's a mega lock of somekind that blocks threads from running concurrently
2018-08-03T16:57:35Z amz31: it might seems stupid but there is good design reasons.
2018-08-03T16:57:54Z Zipheir`: So I see.
2018-08-03T16:58:05Z amz31: quipa_: what else brings you to scheme land?
2018-08-03T16:58:05Z quipa_: amz31: yeah I started looking seriously into functional programming and immutability and the GIL does bug me
2018-08-03T16:58:24Z quipa_: well think it also has historical reasons behind it
2018-08-03T16:58:37Z quipa_: but think it more sense back in the nineties then now
2018-08-03T16:58:50Z amz31: quipa_: a word of caution, you will also better appreciate python..
2018-08-03T16:58:58Z quipa_: hehe sure
2018-08-03T16:59:07Z quipa_: python is my city car
2018-08-03T16:59:18Z quipa_: and want scheme/racket to be my off road
2018-08-03T16:59:58Z quipa_: amz31: well to be honest just the syntax even with it's quirks is a relief
2018-08-03T17:00:07Z amz31: quipa_: maybe, also metaprogramming in python doesn't work very well, it's more complicated than complex. Like how you define data classe in Django use meta classes the ORM-like stuff, in scheme i do the same with a single quote '
2018-08-03T17:00:27Z quipa_: amz31: yeah it feels much simpler
2018-08-03T17:00:49Z Zipheir`: Python really is a pretty huge language these days.
2018-08-03T17:00:52Z quipa_: in python I started feeling like I was writing a lot of biolerplate code
2018-08-03T17:01:02Z quipa_: plus looking at some libraries
2018-08-03T17:01:13Z quipa_: it's kind of hard to understand what the hell is going on
2018-08-03T17:01:53Z amz31: that's the feeling i had with django
2018-08-03T17:02:01Z amz31: that's I learned to hate globals
2018-08-03T17:02:11Z amz31: that's how I learned to hate globals
2018-08-03T17:02:15Z Zipheir`: By contrast, Scheme libraries are usually pretty comrehensible.
2018-08-03T17:02:15Z quipa_: try to find something as simple in scikit-learn is like a maze
2018-08-03T17:02:37Z quipa_: simple as a likelihood function
2018-08-03T17:02:44Z amz31: well, scikit learn is very advanced
2018-08-03T17:02:52Z quipa_: sure but I mean a likelihood function?
2018-08-03T17:02:56Z quipa_: how hard can that bee
2018-08-03T17:03:07Z quipa_: I think I had to dig down 10 separate files
2018-08-03T17:03:15Z amz31: well that's not the only things they succeed at
2018-08-03T17:03:31Z quipa_: but even other more comple project I always feel
2018-08-03T17:03:37Z quipa_: a little bit of spaghetti code
2018-08-03T17:03:43Z quipa_: especially anything with classes
2018-08-03T17:03:47Z amz31: for instance, they have stability. but they made obvious pattern in data science work
2018-08-03T17:03:59Z quipa_: sure it's a great library
2018-08-03T17:04:05Z amz31: quipa_: that's the ORM issue I was talking: too much class
2018-08-03T17:04:12Z quipa_: but even in terms of design I have some doubts
2018-08-03T17:04:32Z amz31: I read they are data scientist in scheme especially, but most work has gone through symbolic AI
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2018-08-03T17:04:55Z amz31: quipa_: meh, there is no language theory behind python no more e.g. := srsly?
2018-08-03T17:05:12Z quipa_: I actually decide to give scheme/racket a try because I find it really hard to describe dynamic mathematical models in python
2018-08-03T17:05:19Z quipa_: in a functional style
2018-08-03T17:05:25Z amz31: quipa_: look into #opencog if you want hardcore free machine learning ,)
2018-08-03T17:05:30Z quipa_: I started doing a lot of OO and imperative and I hated it
2018-08-03T17:05:38Z quipa_: cool thanks :)
2018-08-03T17:06:00Z amz31: quipa_: are you the one who asked about the constraint system in scheme ml?
2018-08-03T17:06:30Z quipa_: hum na don't think so
2018-08-03T17:06:34Z amz31: I tried to implement a sat solver in scheme
2018-08-03T17:06:42Z amz31: nvm
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2018-08-03T17:07:09Z quipa: had too instances of the IRC client running hehe
2018-08-03T17:07:17Z amz31: that seems so crazy that I don't believe it's my code
2018-08-03T17:07:22Z amz31: wait
2018-08-03T17:07:30Z amz31: I am looking for my sat solver
2018-08-03T17:08:00Z amz31: join #ai also
2018-08-03T17:08:09Z quipa: anyways people are calling me for offline life here hehe, going for a snack
2018-08-03T17:08:24Z amz31: https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/culturia.one/blob/guildhall/src/sat.scm
2018-08-03T17:08:26Z amz31: ok
2018-08-03T17:08:28Z amz31: see you later
2018-08-03T17:08:30Z quipa: thanks for the help and nice talking with you guys Zipheir` amz31
2018-08-03T17:08:37Z amz31: and wasamasa
2018-08-03T17:08:56Z wasamasa: hum?
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2018-08-03T17:08:59Z amz31: ;)
2018-08-03T17:12:43Z Zipheir`: cya, quipa
2018-08-03T17:13:23Z amz31: anyone familiar with sparql?
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2018-08-03T17:19:12Z Zipheir`: amz31: I am now. What are you using it for?
2018-08-03T17:20:31Z amz31: I built somekind of sparql engine in scheme
2018-08-03T17:21:57Z Zipheir`: Cool.
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2018-08-03T17:23:51Z amz31: I am wondering...
2018-08-03T17:23:57Z amz31: what to do next
2018-08-03T17:24:09Z amz31: seem like the best option is to replace that with minikanren
2018-08-03T17:24:13Z Zipheir`: The eternal question. :)
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2018-08-03T17:25:16Z Zipheir`: <3 minikanren. I really want to work on a project utilizing that language.
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2018-08-03T17:27:35Z amz31: what would that project do?
2018-08-03T17:28:35Z Zipheir`: Amazing Things™
2018-08-03T17:29:13Z Zipheir`: Or, since the trend in PR is to verbify nouns, "It Does Awesome"
2018-08-03T17:29:35Z Zipheir`: ahem, to nounify adjectives.
2018-08-03T17:29:53Z amz31: actually I had a website running with a wiki and dicussion
2018-08-03T17:30:07Z amz31: all in guile scheme and anonymous
2018-08-03T17:30:23Z amz31: without javascript
2018-08-03T17:30:27Z Zipheir`: Wow.
2018-08-03T17:30:36Z amz31: but nobody was using it
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2018-08-03T17:30:54Z amz31: it was using minikanren for querying the database
2018-08-03T17:31:12Z Zipheir`: How was the speed?
2018-08-03T17:31:34Z amz31: simple SELECT foo bar baz FROM table WHERE foo=42 and recursive queries
2018-08-03T17:31:56Z amz31: well, fast enough for my slow connection I would say ^^
2018-08-03T17:34:03Z Zipheir`: So you were using it to generate Sql queries? Sorry, my knowledge of database topics sucks.
2018-08-03T17:41:06Z amz31: no problem, I am happy to talk about it
2018-08-03T17:41:34Z amz31: not sql queries, I rely on database library, there is no network invloved
2018-08-03T17:44:10Z Zipheir`: That's interesting.
2018-08-03T17:44:12Z amz31: the datastructure of the persistence is an sorted alist
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2018-08-03T17:45:42Z Zipheir`: Does that project have a public repo somewhere?
2018-08-03T17:46:19Z amz31: I am trying to run it first
2018-08-03T17:46:27Z amz31: but I have an issue with argon2
2018-08-03T17:46:48Z amz31: well, sorry, I tried that very project and it doesn't work anymore
2018-08-03T17:47:00Z Zipheir`: Heh, oh well.
2018-08-03T17:47:02Z amz31: I am trying to run another one, but it's missing argon2
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2018-08-04T00:29:37Z quipa: midnightish quiz (at GMT+01). How many optional procedure are defined in R5RS? Bonus points for who can name them! ;)
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2018-08-04T00:37:11Z Zipheir`: quipa: Without looking them up, I have no idea :)
2018-08-04T00:37:39Z quipa: hehe really easy it's not even a double figure
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2018-08-04T00:38:56Z quipa: (just finished going through it, at least the parts I understood, except chapter 7, that's just way to technical)
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2018-08-04T00:39:57Z Zipheir`: You know we're up to R7RS, right?
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2018-08-04T00:40:50Z quipa: sure but I am looking at old books so
2018-08-04T00:40:52Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T00:41:14Z quipa: the SICP (which is not even R5RS but IEEE Scheme if I understood right?)
2018-08-04T00:42:42Z Zipheir`: SICP uses a small subset of Scheme.
2018-08-04T00:43:01Z quipa: Prepared a geany global tags file (simple pipe format) so once my commits for the ctags parser gets integrated into to the main repo, this file will provide autocompletion for R5RS and also a tooltip with the template (although you have to type a paren to get it... not very lispy but oh well)
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2018-08-04T00:43:22Z quipa: when I get some extra time will look at R7RS too
2018-08-04T00:43:41Z quipa: but since I am mostly using Racket for my project, need to focus on readingtheir docs
2018-08-04T00:43:52Z quipa: but wanted too look at the grandaddy
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2018-08-04T00:44:01Z quipa: to get a better understanding
2018-08-04T00:44:02Z Zipheir`: Yeah, Racket is a whole other animal.
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2018-08-04T00:44:34Z daviid: :)
2018-08-04T00:44:38Z quipa: I mean if I had read R5RS before starting Racket it would have been a bit easier to get into it
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2018-08-04T00:45:54Z quipa: in fact it would have even made understand some conventions in Julia! And although I don't totally understand terms like continuations the Peter Van Roy programming paradigms graph makes a lot more sense to me now
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2018-08-04T00:46:58Z quipa: can of a shame these kinds of terms are not use in other languages, seems to help understand things way better
2018-08-04T00:47:12Z Zipheir`: quipa: The Seasoned Schemer has a couple of nice sections on continuations and is worth reading, if you haven't already.
2018-08-04T00:49:26Z quipa: Cool will have a look! I actually got the Little Lisper, lLttler Schemer and seasoned Schemer, and started reading the Lisper but at the time although I liked the exercises I found them a bit alien hehe
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2018-08-04T00:50:53Z Zipheir`: Yeah, it's pretty ancient.
2018-08-04T00:51:14Z Zipheir`: Have to find a time machine, or use elisp. :)
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2018-08-04T00:51:23Z quipa: or actually I did start with little schemer
2018-08-04T00:51:30Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T00:51:34Z Zipheir`: That's an awesome book.
2018-08-04T00:51:45Z quipa: but I found the exercises although repetitive really funny
2018-08-04T00:52:05Z quipa: the only problem IIRC is that it was all with food, so it made me hungry sometimes
2018-08-04T00:52:10Z quipa: xD
2018-08-04T00:52:12Z Zipheir`: I know right?
2018-08-04T00:52:27Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T00:52:39Z quipa: think I'll give it a go again
2018-08-04T00:52:43Z amz31: nice to see you around
2018-08-04T00:53:00Z quipa: I even have a copy of the reasoned schemer
2018-08-04T00:53:05Z quipa: I noticed now
2018-08-04T00:53:07Z quipa: pdfs though
2018-08-04T00:53:12Z amz31: I did not understand the book
2018-08-04T00:53:30Z amz31: quipa: there is a second edition
2018-08-04T00:53:43Z amz31: which partly read
2018-08-04T00:53:48Z amz31: not finished yet
2018-08-04T00:54:09Z quipa: I actual started reading it without even running a REPL should reading
2018-08-04T00:54:23Z quipa: it is a bit of twist sometimes
2018-08-04T00:54:36Z amz31: i don't use the repl
2018-08-04T00:54:37Z quipa: but I think you have to look at it like a puzzle book or something like that
2018-08-04T00:54:41Z amz31: while reading the book
2018-08-04T00:54:46Z quipa: yeah same here
2018-08-04T00:54:49Z amz31: it is
2018-08-04T00:55:09Z quipa: but at the time I didn't have a good enough excuse to learn Scheme
2018-08-04T00:55:14Z quipa: was just pure fascination
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2018-08-04T00:55:26Z Zipheir`: That's a perfectly good excuse :)
2018-08-04T00:55:28Z amz31: I use minikanren to query my database
2018-08-04T00:55:49Z amz31: well, it allows to pattern quads and do recursive queries
2018-08-04T00:55:54Z quipa: yeah well for me it was, but you know when the rest of the family keeps asking you what are you doing
2018-08-04T00:55:59Z quipa: hum not so good hehe
2018-08-04T00:56:03Z amz31: yes
2018-08-04T00:56:07Z amz31: i understand
2018-08-04T00:56:40Z amz31: there is tiger in the documentation of that project http://hyperdev.fr/projects/wiredtiger/
2018-08-04T00:57:04Z Zipheir`: "Quit wasting time learning one of the most famous and beautiful programming languages of all time"?
2018-08-04T00:57:14Z quipa: yup something like that
2018-08-04T00:57:19Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T00:57:27Z quipa: well not even that
2018-08-04T00:57:37Z quipa: more like quite monkeying around on the computer
2018-08-04T00:58:06Z quipa: I don't know about you
2018-08-04T00:58:17Z Zipheir`: Reminds me of Olin Shivers' scsh intro: "My parents keep asking when I'm going to stop messing around with computers and become a radiologist."
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2018-08-04T00:58:42Z quipa: yeah replace that by ecologist or something
2018-08-04T00:58:44Z amz31: I also monkey around at the computer
2018-08-04T00:59:02Z amz31: not my parents I think are ok with my computer addiction
2018-08-04T00:59:39Z quipa: Well my father is a bit of an addict and my mom tolerates us, my wife it kind of depends think she wonders what the heck I am doing
2018-08-04T00:59:45Z quipa: but the rest of the family
2018-08-04T00:59:56Z quipa: I mean the concept of a computer being your workplace
2018-08-04T01:00:02Z quipa: is non existent
2018-08-04T01:00:11Z quipa: if your not in an office of something
2018-08-04T01:00:17Z quipa: it doesn't count as work
2018-08-04T01:00:49Z quipa: add academia to that combination
2018-08-04T01:01:15Z Zipheir`: Kind of an old-fashioned idea, but I guess it depends on what's normal with the people you know.
2018-08-04T01:01:36Z quipa: and sometimes I almost prefer to say I am having fun then to say I am working, because at least people believe the fun part
2018-08-04T01:01:49Z quipa: you'd be surprised!
2018-08-04T01:02:01Z Zipheir`: Some people just map "programming random stuff" -> IT business -> holy crap so much money
2018-08-04T01:02:27Z quipa: hehe yeah problem is when you are NOT earning loads of money
2018-08-04T01:02:30Z quipa: which is my case
2018-08-04T01:02:44Z quipa: since I mostly use it as tool for my research
2018-08-04T01:03:06Z quipa: but to be honest I've probably been studying more computer science then ecology in the last months
2018-08-04T01:03:57Z quipa: sometimes I wish I could have done a joint Ecology and Computer Science degree
2018-08-04T01:04:00Z Zipheir`: I imagine a good grasp of CS would come in very handy for an ecologist.
2018-08-04T01:04:04Z quipa: or Ecoinformatics
2018-08-04T01:04:18Z Zipheir`: Good term :)
2018-08-04T01:04:32Z quipa: yeah it's really helpful actually, I wished I had looked into to it more deeply sooner
2018-08-04T01:04:48Z quipa: I mean I was just hacking some stuff out in python to process data before
2018-08-04T01:05:09Z quipa: but I kind of got a bit annoyed by the patterns I was writing out
2018-08-04T01:05:19Z quipa: even for that
2018-08-04T01:05:40Z Zipheir`: According to a chemist
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2018-08-04T01:05:43Z Zipheir`: Oops
2018-08-04T01:05:54Z quipa: I liked this sentence in the SICP
2018-08-04T01:06:02Z quipa: I am still on the preface
2018-08-04T01:06:13Z Zipheir`: According to a chemist I know, FORTRAN remains sort of the standard among his physical science colleagues. o_O
2018-08-04T01:06:25Z Zipheir`: He's trying to move his department to Python, slowly.
2018-08-04T01:06:28Z quipa: well sure, but that's inhuman
2018-08-04T01:06:39Z quipa: at least so I've heard
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2018-08-04T01:07:27Z Zipheir`: Yeah. If you really need speed, just write asm already...
2018-08-04T01:07:39Z quipa: Pascal is for building pyramids-imposing, breathtaking, static structures built by armies pushing heavy blocks into place. Lisp is for building organisms-imposing, breathtaking, dynamic structures built by squads fitting fluctuating myriads of simpler organisms into place.
2018-08-04T01:08:11Z quipa: yeah the good thing Python is it's humane at least (well if you keep to straightforward stuff)
2018-08-04T01:08:26Z Zipheir`: That's a great quote. I love Alan Perlis' writing.
2018-08-04T01:08:42Z quipa: Yeah really liked it too
2018-08-04T01:08:59Z quipa: problem with FORTRAN is exactly it's a pyramid
2018-08-04T01:09:15Z quipa: I am sure t's great to crunch out certain things
2018-08-04T01:09:25Z quipa: but I think you need a whole team for that
2018-08-04T01:09:34Z Zipheir`: That quote made me think about the UNIX/C way of doing things, as well--lots of little atoms bound together by text streams.
2018-08-04T01:10:07Z quipa: yeah I actually think about that often
2018-08-04T01:10:13Z quipa: I really like pipes
2018-08-04T01:10:23Z quipa: it such a simple kind of idea
2018-08-04T01:11:04Z quipa: in fact I started writing python scripts that were connected by pipes just to make the data processing a bit more understandable
2018-08-04T01:11:29Z quipa: to get intermediate steps
2018-08-04T01:11:37Z quipa: and break them apart when needed
2018-08-04T01:11:40Z quipa: was really useful
2018-08-04T01:11:46Z Zipheir`: Right, that's a way of controlling complexity.
2018-08-04T01:12:02Z Zipheir`: Although so is function composition, obviously.
2018-08-04T01:12:07Z quipa: I wish it was as easy to do forks as pipes
2018-08-04T01:12:16Z quipa: sure well that's why I came to Lisp
2018-08-04T01:12:23Z quipa: I mean in Python you can do a lot
2018-08-04T01:12:35Z quipa: but it looks really wierd of your used to Python
2018-08-04T01:12:43Z Zipheir`: And the big problem with pipes is that it's just flat binary--if you want to share structures, you've got to parse & unparse.
2018-08-04T01:12:52Z quipa: I actually had to lookup Lisp syntax convention to keep my code clear
2018-08-04T01:13:18Z quipa: well in my case it was okay because most of the data was just csv and it isn't so big
2018-08-04T01:13:46Z quipa: and I actually didn't always write pipes
2018-08-04T01:14:03Z quipa: but i did give my small scripts the ability to work well with them
2018-08-04T01:14:08Z quipa: was a great exercise
2018-08-04T01:14:17Z quipa: I really liked learning argparse in python
2018-08-04T01:14:53Z quipa: altough it was kind of overkill sometimes hehe
2018-08-04T01:15:06Z quipa: sometimes my actual script was the same size as the argparse
2018-08-04T01:15:11Z quipa: xD
2018-08-04T01:15:18Z Zipheir`: You really might like what SICP calls the "signal processing" style.
2018-08-04T01:15:48Z quipa: yeah, I've been reading somethings on dataflow paradigms
2018-08-04T01:16:27Z quipa: I find it really easy to grasp, especially since I started building models and processing data (which incidently have a lot of common patterns)
2018-08-04T01:16:30Z Zipheir`: That is, using compositions of higher-order functions to "process" lazily-evaluated lists.
2018-08-04T01:16:44Z Zipheir`: Right.
2018-08-04T01:16:47Z quipa: yeah lazy I really liked when I learnt the word hehe
2018-08-04T01:17:05Z quipa: it actually tried to learn some haskell because of it
2018-08-04T01:17:13Z Zipheir`: (or what the Haskellers would call "another day at the office")
2018-08-04T01:17:15Z quipa: but I dunno the haskell ecosystem is a bit nuts
2018-08-04T01:17:28Z quipa: Zipheir`: exactly hehe
2018-08-04T01:18:14Z quipa: I really liked haskell (although Scheme feels really right for me)
2018-08-04T01:18:19Z quipa: but common no package manager
2018-08-04T01:18:25Z quipa: or a half package manager
2018-08-04T01:18:30Z Zipheir`: Oh, cabal?
2018-08-04T01:18:37Z quipa: that was just too wierd coming from python with pip
2018-08-04T01:18:40Z quipa: yeah
2018-08-04T01:18:47Z quipa: I mean they say there is stack or whatever
2018-08-04T01:19:00Z quipa: but the whole ecosystem is a bit insane
2018-08-04T01:19:10Z quipa: plus because everyone goes and tweaks the language like crazy
2018-08-04T01:19:14Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I'm a little worried by languages that have basically one implementation, also.
2018-08-04T01:19:22Z Zipheir`: That too.
2018-08-04T01:19:23Z quipa: I think it's kind of hard to get everything working togehter
2018-08-04T01:19:47Z Zipheir`: Scheme has the opposite complaint--4.2 x 10^8 implementations.
2018-08-04T01:19:58Z quipa: I actually read one of the documents summarizing the old standard
2018-08-04T01:20:00Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T01:20:00Z Zipheir`: And a pretty fragmented community.
2018-08-04T01:20:15Z quipa: well for now that's one of the reasons I am using Racket
2018-08-04T01:20:24Z quipa: but I really like the idea of Scheme as a small language
2018-08-04T01:20:43Z quipa: I think it's a perfect kernel language
2018-08-04T01:20:50Z quipa: in the Van Roy sense
2018-08-04T01:21:10Z quipa: well in haskeel it's pretty fragmented with the tweaks they do
2018-08-04T01:21:10Z Zipheir`: I'm not sure what that means, but I can guess.
2018-08-04T01:21:16Z quipa: I can;t remember what they call them
2018-08-04T01:21:28Z quipa: but it's these headers that completely change how the language works
2018-08-04T01:21:32Z Zipheir`: Language extensions?
2018-08-04T01:21:33Z Zipheir`: Yeah.
2018-08-04T01:21:34Z quipa: at least macros are something standard
2018-08-04T01:21:43Z quipa: yeah think that's what their called
2018-08-04T01:21:48Z quipa: it's like
2018-08-04T01:22:17Z quipa: oh you want a comonoidelical struct you have to active that language extension
2018-08-04T01:22:17Z Zipheir`: There's a tendency among Haskell hackers to do things in the super-clever ways.
2018-08-04T01:22:26Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-04T01:22:31Z quipa: sure but then it doesn't work with anything else
2018-08-04T01:22:36Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T01:22:48Z Zipheir`: -XHypoHyloPlopomorphisms
2018-08-04T01:23:06Z quipa: I mean I get why they do it, but it's like your building your own language, so why not just go for Lisp/Scheme
2018-08-04T01:23:14Z quipa: at least it has some unity in Scheme
2018-08-04T01:23:36Z quipa: was fun to learn, I really like the pattern matching
2018-08-04T01:23:49Z quipa: it was fun to learn how to do a factorial that way
2018-08-04T01:24:17Z quipa: but yeah not going to use it anytime soon for any real work
2018-08-04T01:24:23Z quipa: I think
2018-08-04T01:24:28Z Zipheir`: Pattern matching is great. Most Schemes provide it as an extension, I think.
2018-08-04T01:24:46Z quipa: in Racket they have a bunch of matching things
2018-08-04T01:25:00Z quipa: but I still haven't learnt how to use them effectively
2018-08-04T01:25:15Z quipa: like define-match
2018-08-04T01:25:18Z quipa: and stuff like that
2018-08-04T01:25:29Z Zipheir`: Matching gets really eye-opening in compiler/interpreter code.
2018-08-04T01:26:05Z quipa: I've actually been think about that and json-schema as a kind of pattern matching with validation
2018-08-04T01:26:19Z quipa: Elixir seems to have some cool things in that sense too
2018-08-04T01:26:36Z Zipheir`: Especially when combined with quasi-quote, e.g. ((if ,test ,consq ,alt) (if (eval test) (eval consq) (eval alt)))
2018-08-04T01:27:05Z Zipheir`: And then there's matching with built-in recursion... I haven't messed with that yet.
2018-08-04T01:27:19Z quipa: hehe sounds like fun
2018-08-04T01:27:47Z quipa: one thought I had these days
2018-08-04T01:28:05Z quipa: that's probably a bit wierd
2018-08-04T01:28:25Z Zipheir`: Oh?
2018-08-04T01:28:53Z quipa: but of a language we're functions would only take a single argument but that it would be pattern matched to get the juice out
2018-08-04T01:29:13Z quipa: if you get what I mean
2018-08-04T01:29:23Z quipa: and then functions would just pass around single entities
2018-08-04T01:29:30Z quipa: and pattern match them to do stuff
2018-08-04T01:29:36Z quipa: maybe it doesn't make sense
2018-08-04T01:29:43Z quipa: but one thing I really hate in python
2018-08-04T01:30:02Z quipa: is when one of the argument is a list or a dictionary that has meaning
2018-08-04T01:30:14Z quipa: like if you use the wrong keyword it won't work
2018-08-04T01:30:21Z quipa: so it's like a nested argument
2018-08-04T01:30:30Z Zipheir`: So... a curried language with pattern matching?
2018-08-04T01:31:00Z quipa: hum I know the word curry and pattern matching but not sure what they mean together hehe
2018-08-04T01:31:03Z quipa: but I guess so
2018-08-04T01:31:34Z quipa: let me see if I can think of an example of the function arguments and the actual application
2018-08-04T01:32:03Z Zipheir`: I mean, in a curried language, there's no concept of 'multiple arguments' beyond that a function can return a function.
2018-08-04T01:32:21Z quipa: ah really? didn't no that!
2018-08-04T01:32:36Z Zipheir`: e.g. (lambda (x y) (* x y)) would just be (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)))
2018-08-04T01:32:37Z quipa: I just learnt about currying to do partial
2018-08-04T01:32:51Z quipa: hum ok
2018-08-04T01:33:08Z quipa: (partial was one of the reasons I started looking at other languages)
2018-08-04T01:33:37Z quipa: so a language like what I am describing already exists
2018-08-04T01:33:38Z quipa: ?
2018-08-04T01:33:59Z quipa: or I guess you can make it with Scheme hehe
2018-08-04T01:34:10Z Zipheir`: Haskell, for one.
2018-08-04T01:34:26Z Zipheir`: Scheme isn't curried. I think there are curried lisps though...
2018-08-04T01:34:57Z quipa: damn you haskell
2018-08-04T01:34:59Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T01:35:17Z quipa: but I mean could you pattern match
2018-08-04T01:35:21Z quipa: say
2018-08-04T01:35:29Z quipa: '(1 (2 3)
2018-08-04T01:35:43Z quipa: get a pattern that would give access to
2018-08-04T01:35:49Z quipa: the whole list as say a
2018-08-04T01:35:54Z Zipheir`: OK.
2018-08-04T01:35:56Z quipa: car as b
2018-08-04T01:36:02Z quipa:  cdr as c
2018-08-04T01:36:14Z quipa: cdar as d
2018-08-04T01:36:20Z quipa: cddr as e
2018-08-04T01:36:21Z Zipheir`: Or (lambda (a . b) ...)
2018-08-04T01:36:26Z Zipheir`: Oh, there's more :)
2018-08-04T01:36:29Z quipa: if I get the logic right
2018-08-04T01:36:40Z quipa: I mean match all the levels pratically
2018-08-04T01:36:46Z quipa: all the elements and levels
2018-08-04T01:37:09Z quipa: so say your input is some sort of data structure representin a model
2018-08-04T01:37:26Z quipa: and you want both easy access to a list of parameters
2018-08-04T01:37:27Z Zipheir`: That's obviously really tough to get right in general.
2018-08-04T01:37:32Z quipa: and to individual parameters
2018-08-04T01:37:51Z quipa: probably, but sounds like fund hehe
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2018-08-04T01:38:00Z quipa: fun*
2018-08-04T01:38:14Z quipa: plus it would allow some nice validation of data/model
2018-08-04T01:38:30Z quipa: like what if you want all your parameters to be number
2018-08-04T01:38:50Z quipa: and you would kind of get that for free in the definition of the arguments
2018-08-04T01:39:01Z quipa: without having to add some sort of boiler code
2018-08-04T01:39:05Z quipa: to check for that
2018-08-04T01:39:15Z Zipheir`: Like 'as patterns' in haskell? e.g. foo y@(x:xs) = ... gives me y as the whole list, head (car) bound to x and tail (cdr) bound to xs.
2018-08-04T01:39:16Z quipa: you'd just have a schema
2018-08-04T01:39:27Z quipa: ah cool you can do that?
2018-08-04T01:39:30Z Zipheir`: Yup.
2018-08-04T01:39:39Z quipa: damn you haskell hehe
2018-08-04T01:40:02Z quipa: can you nest it deep
2018-08-04T01:40:08Z quipa: ?
2018-08-04T01:40:20Z quipa: the pattern matching
2018-08-04T01:40:34Z Zipheir`: Yes, you can destructure things arbitrarily, iirc.
2018-08-04T01:40:54Z Zipheir`: Most scheme pattern matchers provide a lot of similar functionality, c.f. http://download.plt-scheme.org/doc/103p1/pdf/match.pdf
2018-08-04T01:41:24Z quipa: yup I've seen something like that in racket
2018-08-04T01:41:27Z quipa: they seem really nice
2018-08-04T01:41:39Z quipa: although I sometimes feel a bit lost looknig at them at first
2018-08-04T01:41:50Z quipa: but I think it's just because I am not use to it
2018-08-04T01:42:05Z quipa: a bit like car and cdr felt like in the beginning a few years ago
2018-08-04T01:42:07Z Zipheir`: Yeah, obviously you can do too-clever things. :)
2018-08-04T01:42:32Z quipa: they have a define-match which sounds like fun
2018-08-04T01:42:52Z Zipheir`: Sometimes I've thrown out a complex (match ...) expression and just used cond. Whatever's clearest.
2018-08-04T01:43:10Z quipa: yeah cond's really nice too
2018-08-04T01:43:20Z quipa: I really like the simplicity
2018-08-04T01:43:34Z quipa: beats the hell out of if elif else in python
2018-08-04T01:43:45Z quipa: feels so much simpler
2018-08-04T01:44:12Z Zipheir`: Yeah.
2018-08-04T01:44:46Z quipa: oh, page 7 looks like fun
2018-08-04T01:44:48Z Zipheir`: I think I'd have to pick C's switch statement for my least-favorite control structure. :)
2018-08-04T01:45:40Z Zipheir`: Oh, the matcher implementation?
2018-08-04T01:46:20Z quipa: dunno what it is but looks neat
2018-08-04T01:46:21Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T01:46:33Z quipa: one thing I got to say
2018-08-04T01:46:48Z quipa: is I don't know why people are so bothered by scheme/lisp parens
2018-08-04T01:47:05Z quipa: the indentation is so much easier to follow
2018-08-04T01:47:21Z quipa: and I think almost any crappy editor has a paren match highlighter
2018-08-04T01:47:32Z quipa: and it's not like brackets are any better
2018-08-04T01:47:52Z quipa: in python when whitespace is not required
2018-08-04T01:47:58Z quipa: people start doing wierd things
2018-08-04T01:48:03Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-04T01:48:14Z quipa: I started using Lisp convention to indent to make some sense of it
2018-08-04T01:48:36Z quipa: and trying functional style in python that issue is inevitable
2018-08-04T01:48:45Z Zipheir`: It takes some getting used to.
2018-08-04T01:48:57Z Zipheir`: Functional programming in Python is kind of broken.
2018-08-04T01:49:09Z quipa: I actually didn't mind it, but I didn't find any clear PEPs on that
2018-08-04T01:49:15Z quipa: exactly broken
2018-08-04T01:49:24Z quipa: that's one reason I started moving away
2018-08-04T01:49:36Z quipa: the language wasn't suiting my style of programming anymore
2018-08-04T01:49:43Z Zipheir`: And Python's lambda is _totally_ half-assed.
2018-08-04T01:49:49Z quipa: completely hehe
2018-08-04T01:50:01Z quipa: plus I mean I am not sure what things look like
2018-08-04T01:50:05Z quipa: but I hate in python
2018-08-04T01:50:18Z quipa: that building a lambda and assign it to a variable
2018-08-04T01:50:34Z quipa: has a different effect then having a full function definition
2018-08-04T01:50:48Z quipa: and that the name doesn't get associated
2018-08-04T01:50:57Z quipa: it kind of feels inconsistent I think
2018-08-04T01:51:05Z Zipheir`: Some lisps are like that.
2018-08-04T01:51:14Z Zipheir`: Scheme gets it right, though.
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2018-08-04T01:52:01Z Zipheir`: Scheme has an especially simple approach, since (define (foo) ...) is just sugar for (define foo (lambda () ...))
2018-08-04T01:52:43Z Zipheir`: And of course you don't even need define if you just use the Y combinator. :)
2018-08-04T01:53:58Z quipa: yeah I really like that
2018-08-04T01:54:08Z quipa: the sugar
2018-08-04T01:54:51Z quipa: https://pastebin.com/NvJfpAGB
2018-08-04T01:55:52Z quipa: Y combinator is someting that looks fascinating but I still don't quite get
2018-08-04T01:56:02Z quipa: it feels a bit like magic hehe
2018-08-04T01:56:20Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-04T01:56:30Z quipa: was really nice talking with you Zipheir`
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2018-08-04T01:56:40Z Zipheir`: You too quipa!
2018-08-04T01:56:43Z quipa: think I'll go to bad it's already 3am
2018-08-04T01:56:51Z quipa: * yawns
2018-08-04T01:56:58Z quipa yawns
2018-08-04T01:57:01Z Zipheir`: quipa: Cool.
2018-08-04T01:57:16Z Zipheir`: quipa: #scheme needs more folks, so come back soon :)
2018-08-04T01:57:23Z quipa: see you around
2018-08-04T01:57:30Z Zipheir`: quipa: gn
2018-08-04T01:57:31Z quipa: yeah I did autojoin on hexchat
2018-08-04T01:57:48Z quipa: so should be around
2018-08-04T01:57:57Z quipa: just started using IRC seriously in the last days
2018-08-04T01:57:59Z quipa: it's great
2018-08-04T01:58:12Z quipa: I only use to use the webchat of freenode
2018-08-04T01:58:26Z quipa: but having a client is way more fun
2018-08-04T01:59:01Z quipa: will post my geany work for scheme
2018-08-04T01:59:15Z quipa: but I got to say the ctags parser is really too basic
2018-08-04T01:59:30Z quipa: but it's just to get some nice geany functionality
2018-08-04T01:59:52Z quipa: at least function declarations, autocomplete and tooltips think work (ish for tooltips)
2018-08-04T02:00:40Z quipa: https://github.com/quipa/geany/tree/lisp_dialects
2018-08-04T02:01:18Z quipa: the support for any lisp dialect was practically no existent
2018-08-04T02:01:21Z quipa: non existent
2018-08-04T02:01:38Z quipa: and emacs and vim are just not my kind of thing
2018-08-04T02:01:56Z Zipheir`: Ah, OK. I don't know geany at all, so I can't comment.
2018-08-04T02:02:08Z Zipheir`: But Lisp support is always a good thing. :)
2018-08-04T02:02:35Z quipa: I am more of a notepad+REPL kind of guy hehe, geany is kind off like a concession I make to work decently
2018-08-04T02:03:37Z quipa: my father pokes a little fun at me because I liked gedit hehe
2018-08-04T02:03:53Z Zipheir`: Yeah, from the WP article geany looks quite a bit like Notepad++.
2018-08-04T02:04:07Z quipa: yeah it's basically a linux version of notepad++
2018-08-04T02:04:12Z Zipheir`: Eh, use what you like. No need for more editor holy wars.
2018-08-04T02:04:18Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T02:04:29Z quipa: well I actually couldn't give a damn
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2018-08-04T02:04:35Z quipa: I just like something out of my way
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2018-08-04T02:05:09Z quipa: more atheistic with editors then anything
2018-08-04T02:05:40Z Zipheir`: "There is no one true editor, smash your idols!"
2018-08-04T02:05:44Z quipa: the Java IDEs, hehe they are insane
2018-08-04T02:06:07Z quipa: it's like voodoo or something
2018-08-04T02:06:21Z quipa: could be fun to do a editors as religions
2018-08-04T02:06:28Z quipa: a bit like the languages as religions
2018-08-04T02:06:35Z quipa: know that one?
2018-08-04T02:06:38Z Zipheir`: There's already a Church of Emacs and Cult of vi
2018-08-04T02:06:47Z Zipheir`: Maybe? It sounds familiar.
2018-08-04T02:06:56Z quipa: http://blog.aegisub.org/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html
2018-08-04T02:07:02Z quipa: hehe yeah
2018-08-04T02:07:45Z quipa: what is it St IGNUcius?
2018-08-04T02:08:08Z Zipheir`: Last I checked it was rms.
2018-08-04T02:08:31Z quipa: rms :P?
2018-08-04T02:08:43Z Zipheir`: rms' rather lame superhero alter-ego.
2018-08-04T02:09:08Z quipa: hahaha
2018-08-04T02:09:12Z quipa: yeah
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2018-08-04T02:09:40Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-04T02:09:49Z quipa: I mean one thing I found alien
2018-08-04T02:09:51Z Zipheir`: "Python is Humanism: It's simple, unrestrictive, and all you need to follow it is common sense."
2018-08-04T02:09:57Z Zipheir`: I smell a python fan...
2018-08-04T02:10:11Z quipa: yeah read the last line
2018-08-04T02:10:13Z quipa: on that one
2018-08-04T02:10:14Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-04T02:10:27Z quipa: There are some who say that it is a form of pseudo-code.
2018-08-04T02:10:30Z Zipheir`: Hah, yeah.
2018-08-04T02:10:47Z Zipheir`: Brainfuck is not mentioned. Satanism?
2018-08-04T02:11:09Z Zipheir`: Oh, he's got Visual Basic as Satanism.
2018-08-04T02:11:14Z Zipheir`: So harsh.
2018-08-04T02:11:27Z quipa: think there is a not blog that builds on it that mentions brainfuck
2018-08-04T02:11:32Z quipa: yeah it's not all fair
2018-08-04T02:11:43Z quipa: I find it hilarious that perl is Voodoo
2018-08-04T02:11:57Z Zipheir`: Perl is a cargo-cult :)
2018-08-04T02:12:20Z Zipheir`: Code doesn't work? Twiddle the regexes until it does!
2018-08-04T02:12:28Z quipa: I am not sure which of the comparisons i like most this one or the cars ones
2018-08-04T02:13:01Z quipa: I actually think my first "serious" data processing
2018-08-04T02:13:11Z quipa: was using regexes in word/writer
2018-08-04T02:13:13Z quipa: hahaha
2018-08-04T02:13:25Z quipa: was so naive
2018-08-04T02:13:45Z quipa: still do it when I can't be bothered with writing a script
2018-08-04T02:14:05Z quipa: or when the stuff is so badly formatted that it would take longer too write a script
2018-08-04T02:14:09Z Zipheir`: Somewhat related, and an absolute classic: https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html
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2018-08-04T02:15:13Z quipa: yeah Java, I mean how did they think it was a good I idea I kind of wonder
2018-08-04T02:15:27Z quipa: it feels like blood over your eyeballs
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2018-08-04T02:16:33Z Zipheir`: StateManager.getConsiderationSetter("Noun Oriented Thinking", State.HARMFUL).run()
2018-08-04T02:16:36Z quipa_: I mean even Clojure feels tainted just because it runs JVM hehe
2018-08-04T02:16:37Z Zipheir`: ^^ Amazing
2018-08-04T02:17:08Z quipa_: I actually started reading what looked like a promising book
2018-08-04T02:17:12Z quipa_: on functional reactive programming
2018-08-04T02:17:16Z quipa_: but the code was in java
2018-08-04T02:17:18Z quipa_: I mean
2018-08-04T02:17:20Z quipa_: common
2018-08-04T02:17:32Z Zipheir`: Weird
2018-08-04T02:17:47Z quipa_: The thing is I think the guys that wrote really have a good understanding
2018-08-04T02:18:02Z quipa_: and wrote libraries in other languages
2018-08-04T02:18:08Z quipa_: but I just had to drop the book
2018-08-04T02:18:13Z quipa_: it was just too painful too look at
2018-08-04T02:18:19Z quipa_: the code
2018-08-04T02:18:27Z quipa_: I really like the text and graphs
2018-08-04T02:18:28Z Zipheir`: I guess it's because Java is the lingua franca of young-ish programmers. People use it to explain ideas that are totally unsuited to it.
2018-08-04T02:19:14Z quipa_: well I got to say hurray for Python in those areas even if you have to use a load of OO
2018-08-04T02:19:14Z Zipheir`: Hell, Philip Wadler did a talk where he used Java examples to explain category theory. If _he's_ sinking to using Java...
2018-08-04T02:19:20Z quipa_: at least it's readable
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2018-08-04T02:20:00Z quipa_: but I guess something just don't work well in Python (but don't think they do in Java anyways do they?)
2018-08-04T02:20:04Z Zipheir`: It better be readable. That's like 99.99998% of the Python design philosophy.
2018-08-04T02:20:24Z quipa_: hehe
2018-08-04T02:20:38Z quipa_: My father tried to get me into serious programming with Java
2018-08-04T02:20:43Z Zipheir`: Ugh.
2018-08-04T02:20:51Z Zipheir`: "serious programming", heh.
2018-08-04T02:20:56Z quipa_: I really think my life would have been different if I had seen Python
2018-08-04T02:21:08Z quipa_: well I think his intention was okay
2018-08-04T02:21:16Z quipa_: at the time Java was kind of like the standard thing
2018-08-04T02:21:26Z quipa_: ironic that Python is actually order if IIRC
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2018-08-04T02:21:50Z quipa_: even javascript would have been better
2018-08-04T02:21:55Z quipa_: but not sure how well it worked back then
2018-08-04T02:21:57Z Zipheir`: That sounds familiar. A lot of non-programmers I know ran far away after being exposed to Java, which I think is pretty sad.
2018-08-04T02:22:16Z quipa_: I learnt a bit of Basic with a uni student
2018-08-04T02:22:22Z quipa_: where my parents work
2018-08-04T02:22:25Z quipa_: and that was fun
2018-08-04T02:22:36Z quipa_: but I mean all I learnt with him was to print stuff on the screen
2018-08-04T02:22:44Z quipa_: so even though it was a whole lot easier
2018-08-04T02:22:50Z quipa_: I think I got bored at the time
2018-08-04T02:23:10Z quipa_: and just making simple web pages in HTML was more fun (not a programming language though)
2018-08-04T02:23:34Z quipa_: wish I had been shown something like logo turtles
2018-08-04T02:23:50Z quipa_: I actually learnt some decent Python with turtles
2018-08-04T02:24:01Z quipa_: already in my early twenties
2018-08-04T02:24:04Z quipa_: was fun
2018-08-04T02:24:26Z quipa_: so simple and straightforward (probably not great for learning functional programming thought)
2018-08-04T02:24:35Z Zipheir`: Heh
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2018-08-04T02:25:08Z quipa_: how to think like a computer scientist (Python version)
2018-08-04T02:25:23Z quipa_: think it was the first time I really understood that you could write functions
2018-08-04T02:25:46Z quipa_: think when I was learning BASIC it was mostly just writing simple expressions
2018-08-04T02:25:49Z quipa_: to print stuff
2018-08-04T02:26:12Z quipa_: think variable assignment was the most complicated thing I did
2018-08-04T02:26:25Z quipa_: not sure why I didn't learn more at the time
2018-08-04T02:26:42Z quipa_: plus it was only in a REPL
2018-08-04T02:26:59Z quipa_: don't think I wrote any scripts :P
2018-08-04T02:27:07Z quipa_: literally very basic
2018-08-04T02:27:11Z Zipheir`: AFAIK Python is getting a lot of attention as a language to teach CS in. MIT stopped teaching Scheme in its intro classes, sadly.
2018-08-04T02:27:26Z quipa_: yeah I think for CS that's shame
2018-08-04T02:27:41Z quipa_: for non-CS people I think it's helpful
2018-08-04T02:27:46Z quipa_: specially as a tool for work
2018-08-04T02:28:14Z quipa_: but I mean it's always the city car analogy
2018-08-04T02:28:20Z quipa_: there is only so much you can do
2018-08-04T02:28:42Z Zipheir`: Scheme is still an easier language than Python once you get beyond the very simple stuff, imho.
2018-08-04T02:28:52Z quipa_: yup I think so!
2018-08-04T02:28:58Z quipa_: I really like that the core language
2018-08-04T02:29:07Z quipa_: is basically 200 something "words"
2018-08-04T02:29:24Z quipa_: I mean that's less then learning basic of a new spoken language
2018-08-04T02:29:33Z quipa_: think I am going to do some flashcards
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2018-08-04T02:30:23Z Zipheir`: Anyway, bbl. Nice talking, quipa_ :)
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2018-08-04T02:30:45Z quipa_: Zipheir`: same here :)
2018-08-04T02:30:52Z quipa_: should sleep
2018-08-04T02:31:30Z quipa_: Zipheir`: see you around!
2018-08-04T02:32:28Z Zipheir`: quipa_: You too!
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2018-08-04T17:08:39Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Have you or anyone else written anything about the Scheme flavor of the Joy language?
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2018-08-04T17:09:50Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Your interpreter source is quite clear, but a reference would be nice.
2018-08-04T17:11:44Z rain1: http://docs.racket-lang.org/peg/index.html ive released the next version of the peg library i'm working on
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2018-08-04T17:59:24Z quipa: one suggestion I found was mit-scheme < example.scheme
2018-08-04T17:59:33Z quipa: is that the usual way of doing it..?
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2018-08-05T00:33:46Z jcowan_: Zipheir`: Sorry, no.  My intention was to finish alll the Joy1 functions and then write a front end for Joy1 syntax, but I never got around to it.
2018-08-05T00:34:36Z jcowan_: I originally wrote it using Petite CHez, and then the plan was to switch it to CHicken and replace the Joy1 C source with compiled Chicken output
2018-08-05T00:34:51Z jcowan_: to which you add runtime.c and chicken.h and you have probable C source
2018-08-05T00:35:01Z jcowan_: er, portable
2018-08-05T00:35:07Z jcowan_: though not maintainable as C
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2018-08-05T01:05:28Z Zipheir`: jcowan_: OK, thanks. I wasn't clear on whether it was a Joy1 interpreter or an Scheme-embedded Joy-like language.
2018-08-05T01:05:43Z siraben: Hi Zipheir`
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2018-08-05T01:06:03Z Zipheir`: Hey, siraben, how's it going?
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2018-08-05T01:06:40Z siraben: Zipheir`: Good, good.  Finished _Starting FORTH_ and it's very enlightening.
2018-08-05T01:06:45Z siraben: I'll write a Forth interpreter in Scheme sometime
2018-08-05T01:07:03Z siraben: Forth is one of my favorite Lisps now
2018-08-05T01:07:19Z siraben: ( despite not having parens haha )
2018-08-05T01:07:39Z siraben: Zipheir`: This tutorial goes through Forth by writing an interpreter in assembly https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.S
2018-08-05T01:07:42Z Zipheir`: Oh, cool. Was that a good book?
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2018-08-05T01:07:53Z siraben: Zipheir`: It was outdated in some places.
2018-08-05T01:07:58Z siraben: Otherwise most of the code samples worked.
2018-08-05T01:08:05Z siraben: They were inordinately concerned with memory usage..
2018-08-05T01:08:16Z siraben: But it was published in 1981 so point taken.
2018-08-05T01:08:37Z Zipheir`: Ah, that sounds about right.
2018-08-05T01:08:55Z Zipheir`: That's a huge comment :)
2018-08-05T01:08:56Z siraben: Zipheir`: Forth doesn't even have loops and if statements after that assembly interpreter, it's defined in Forth afterwards: https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.f
2018-08-05T01:09:08Z Zipheir`: (In the FORTH compiler)
2018-08-05T01:09:19Z siraben: Yeah, I printed out the entire thing
2018-08-05T01:09:21Z siraben: To read on paper
2018-08-05T01:09:42Z siraben: I can't really read x86 assembly, but it was enough to get by.
2018-08-05T01:09:51Z siraben: The comments are really the golden part of the file
2018-08-05T01:10:02Z siraben: I'll reimplement it in Z80 asm
2018-08-05T01:10:18Z Zipheir`: It's nicely documented, and the code looks clean.
2018-08-05T01:10:21Z siraben: Zipheir`: I think it would be easier to write a Scheme interpreter in Forth.
2018-08-05T01:10:30Z siraben: Zipheir`: Notice the abuse of macros!
2018-08-05T01:10:37Z siraben: Because the assembler he uses allows macros
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2018-08-05T01:10:44Z siraben: defvar, defcode etc.
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2018-08-05T01:10:58Z Zipheir`: Yeah, there's a lot of that.
2018-08-05T01:11:01Z siraben: Zipheir`: So one of Forth's killer features is the ability to extend the compiler
2018-08-05T01:11:20Z siraben: When you define a word, you can specify compile-time or run-time behavior.
2018-08-05T01:11:28Z siraben: So you can had control structures like "if" and loops
2018-08-05T01:11:31Z siraben: s/had/add
2018-08-05T01:11:45Z Zipheir`: I imagine you can use that for good or evil, of course.
2018-08-05T01:11:56Z siraben: It's like having a macro in Scheme that works differently inside of a `define' or in the REPl
2018-08-05T01:13:04Z siraben: Although I feel it would be somewhat weird to implement a Forth interpreter in Scheme since Scheme is so high level
2018-08-05T01:13:16Z siraben: Good for experimenting I suppose.
2018-08-05T01:13:40Z siraben: But I'll probably end up writing a z80 VM
2018-08-05T01:14:19Z Zipheir`: I've been reading the Joy tutorial, which is "FORTH's functional cousin". It's less alien to my now-functionally-tuned brain than FORTH, but still stack-oriented.
2018-08-05T01:14:38Z Zipheir`: I think you were here when jcowan was talking about it.
2018-08-05T01:14:51Z Zipheir`: Actually, I think your comments on FORTH started that discussion. :)
2018-08-05T01:14:58Z siraben: He mentioned Joy, yes I remember.
2018-08-05T01:15:03Z siraben: Yeah he showed us his Joy interpreter.
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2018-08-05T01:16:35Z Zipheir`: So many languages to learn o_O
2018-08-05T01:16:46Z jcowan: Joy doesn't have macros, though it could
2018-08-05T01:17:03Z siraben: Zipheir`: Yeah!  I still have Standard ML, other MLs, Haskell, other Lisps etc. on my bucket list
2018-08-05T01:17:13Z siraben: But it pays off to learn languages that are really different
2018-08-05T01:17:21Z siraben: Like Scheme :)
2018-08-05T01:17:25Z jcowan: of the CL type rather than the Scheme type, since there are no variables, so neither scope nor hygiene is an issue
2018-08-05T01:17:42Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Right. Interesting.
2018-08-05T01:18:10Z siraben: Zipheir`: I was blown away by a code example in Starting Forth where the author conjured up a 2D array
2018-08-05T01:18:15Z siraben: With compile-time macros
2018-08-05T01:18:33Z siraben: So you could write: "8 8 grid chess-board"
2018-08-05T01:18:34Z jcowan: I decided I'm too close to eventual senility to learn Haskell properly
2018-08-05T01:18:53Z siraben: Eventual senility?
2018-08-05T01:18:54Z Zipheir`: siraben: Lately I've had the feeling that I need to stop learning 4 million new things and just work on some useful project. I am reminded of Zhuangzi's warning that knowledge is infinite, life finite. :)
2018-08-05T01:19:28Z jcowan: siraben: I'm not senile yet, but I am 60
2018-08-05T01:19:52Z siraben: jcowan: I could not tell that.
2018-08-05T01:20:23Z jcowan: Good.
2018-08-05T01:20:26Z siraben: jcowan: So what you do think of modern programming languages?
2018-08-05T01:20:43Z siraben: The only other IRCer hates modern languages and likes Forth, C etc. as an embedded dev
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2018-08-05T01:20:50Z jcowan: They're a lot better than Fortran II and 17-statement Basic
2018-08-05T01:20:54Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Um, based on that intepreter code, you're still wiping the floor with us younger hackers in terms of clarity. :)
2018-08-05T01:20:58Z siraben: SNOBOL, Pascal, COBOL, FORTRAN etc.
2018-08-05T01:21:26Z jcowan: I've never used SNOBOL, but I have written code in Icon, which is SNOBOL + structured programming + records
2018-08-05T01:21:44Z siraben: When did you encounter Scheme
2018-08-05T01:21:45Z siraben: ?
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2018-08-05T01:22:45Z Zipheir`: Ah, SNOBOL. IIRC that language used operator precedence parsing.
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2018-08-05T01:24:54Z siraben: I absolutely have no idea how this pattern matcher works:
2018-08-05T01:24:55Z siraben: https://github.com/webyrd/quines/blob/master/pmatch.scm
2018-08-05T01:25:17Z siraben: It would be helpful if the variable names weren't 2 letters long o.o
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2018-08-05T01:26:18Z siraben: Abuse of `define-syntax' is sometimes nasty...
2018-08-05T01:26:24Z Zipheir`: It's by Oleg Kiselyov, his code is usually mind-blowing.
2018-08-05T01:26:36Z siraben: Yeah Oleg's blog is something else.
2018-08-05T01:26:45Z siraben: He made Scheme's hygenic macros unhygenic!
2018-08-05T01:27:10Z siraben: http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/Dirty-Macros.pdf
2018-08-05T01:27:15Z Zipheir`: Heh. I really enjoyed his Monad in Scheme article.
2018-08-05T01:27:42Z siraben: "This paper details how folklore notions of hygiene and referential transparency of R5RS macros are defeated by a systematic attack."
2018-08-05T01:27:49Z siraben: Mind blown.
2018-08-05T01:27:57Z jcowan: I wrote a finger(1) utility in Cobol once, because the manager wanted "something maintainable".  I said if he couldn't find Cobol programmers to maintain it, he was in deep trouble
2018-08-05T01:28:00Z Zipheir`: "folklore notions", lol.
2018-08-05T01:28:11Z siraben: Zipheir`: Yeah, albeit it would've been good with more examples of monads.
2018-08-05T01:28:14Z jcowan: this was maybe 1975-76
2018-08-05T01:28:16Z siraben: Instead of just the state monad
2018-08-05T01:28:55Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Wow.
2018-08-05T01:29:06Z siraben: Wow COBOL
2018-08-05T01:29:21Z Zipheir`: We might someday get similar stories about Java.
2018-08-05T01:29:29Z siraben: Death to Java!
2018-08-05T01:29:30Z Zipheir`: Well, later generations will.
2018-08-05T01:29:43Z siraben: I wonder what will come of this Cambrian explosion of computer languages.
2018-08-05T01:29:54Z siraben: We can't expect people to learn like 10 different languages later
2018-08-05T01:29:58Z jcowan: see also http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan/cobol-horrors.html
2018-08-05T01:30:08Z siraben: jcowan: Do you speak lojban?
2018-08-05T01:30:31Z Zipheir`: jcowan is a Lojban big wheel :)
2018-08-05T01:31:09Z jcowan: I wrote the Red Book (reference grammar) with some help
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2018-08-05T01:31:48Z siraben: Is there a Lojban parser in Scheme?
2018-08-05T01:34:03Z Zipheir`: siraben: WRT the Cambrian explosion of programming languages, it's probably just getting started. You wait 4.5 billion years for a programming language, then several thousand come along at once.
2018-08-05T01:34:20Z siraben: Why not 2 million years?
2018-08-05T01:34:46Z siraben: Zipheir`: Wait for mass extinction events ;)
2018-08-05T01:34:51Z Zipheir`: Or two million years, who's counting anyway.
2018-08-05T01:35:21Z siraben: But can there not be a single language?
2018-08-05T01:35:25Z siraben: Is such a concept elusive?
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2018-08-05T01:36:01Z siraben: Charles "Chuck" Moore (creator of Forth) said that the ultimate language is probably not Forth, but something like it.
2018-08-05T01:36:04Z Zipheir`: Wasn't that the theme of that Wadler lecture? That we really 'discovered' a number of different formulations of some ur-language?
2018-08-05T01:36:12Z Zipheir`: Hah
2018-08-05T01:36:29Z siraben: Zipheir`: Yep, "you wait 2000 years, and three come along at once", he was talking about models of computation.
2018-08-05T01:36:39Z Zipheir`: Arrogance comes with being a language designer --Larry Wall, I thikn
2018-08-05T01:36:41Z Zipheir`: *think
2018-08-05T01:36:51Z siraben: I wonder what aliens will have as their model of computation
2018-08-05T01:37:11Z siraben: Something Turing Complete but likely not looking lambda calculus or anything we study
2018-08-05T01:37:16Z siraben: Probably some crazy cellular automata
2018-08-05T01:37:49Z siraben: Zipheir`: Stephen Wolfram is on the other side of the fence wrt. programs, he wants to "mine" the computational universe for programs
2018-08-05T01:37:57Z siraben: And the ultimate language would be an automata
2018-08-05T01:38:13Z Zipheir`: Oh yeah, Wolfram. He's a bit of a nut.
2018-08-05T01:38:36Z siraben: He's a genius though, you have to agree.
2018-08-05T01:38:46Z siraben: Read his Wikipedia bio
2018-08-05T01:38:46Z Zipheir`: I guess... If it is, I hope it's called the Game of Life.
2018-08-05T01:38:52Z Zipheir`: Oh wait, that's taken. :)
2018-08-05T01:39:19Z siraben: "Working independently, Wolfram published a widely cited paper on heavy quark production at age 18[2] and nine other papers,[20] and continued research and to publish on particle physics into his early twenties."
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2018-08-05T01:39:36Z siraben: PhD age 20 etc.
2018-08-05T01:40:12Z X-Scale: Donald Knuth hits me more as the ultimate digital genious
2018-08-05T01:40:34Z Zipheir`: Donald Knuth is the Samuel Johnson of computing.
2018-08-05T01:40:42Z siraben: Oh yes, Knuth.
2018-08-05T01:43:42Z Zipheir`: Has anyone seen those "5 languages you must know" by <J. Famous Language Designer> that have been coming out recently?
2018-08-05T01:43:56Z siraben: Where?
2018-08-05T01:44:01Z Zipheir`: I know Larry Wall and Bjarne Stroustroup both did one.
2018-08-05T01:44:07Z Zipheir`: YouTube.
2018-08-05T01:44:19Z Zipheir`: Quite recently.
2018-08-05T01:44:36Z siraben: Ugh it's probably something like python, javascript et al.
2018-08-05T01:44:48Z siraben: I'll check it out.
2018-08-05T01:44:58Z Zipheir`: The larry wall one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR8fQiskYII
2018-08-05T01:45:14Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I'm kind of skeptical.
2018-08-05T01:45:56Z siraben: There we go: #1 JS
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2018-08-05T01:46:11Z siraben: JS is "lightweight" ???
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2018-08-05T01:47:56Z Zipheir`: "Java is the COBOL of the 21st century." Hit the nail on the head there, Larry.
2018-08-05T01:48:31Z siraben: Haha
2018-08-05T01:48:34Z jcowan: siraben: No, it's in Prolog, and it's more than a parser, it lets you store facts and rules expressed in Lojban and lets you query them and prints results in Lojban
2018-08-05T01:48:56Z siraben: jcowan: Where is it?
2018-08-05T01:49:13Z jcowan: not sure any more
2018-08-05T01:49:33Z jcowan: the practical parsers are in C and JS
2018-08-05T01:49:48Z siraben: Maybe C can't be replaced because you'd have to reinvent everything
2018-08-05T01:50:28Z jcowan: looks like there's a semantic-type parser in Haskell
2018-08-05T01:50:31Z jcowan: since my time
2018-08-05T01:50:59Z siraben: Zipheir`: I just finished that video.
2018-08-05T01:52:19Z Zipheir`: siraben: I noticed it was aimed at non-programmers, but there are some funny bits.
2018-08-05T01:52:54Z siraben: Zipheir`: How does one market programming without over-hyping it?
2018-08-05T01:53:23Z Zipheir`: siraben: I've been thinking about that. General programming literacy is just so terrible...
2018-08-05T01:53:23Z siraben: It's certainly not an easy hobby...but it gives the wrong impression of being so.
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2018-08-05T01:54:25Z Zipheir`: siraben: I mean from those studies I've found less than 5% of the world population can sort emails by topic, let alone write factorial.
2018-08-05T01:55:24Z Zipheir`: siraben: And everybody _knows_ that there's a huge literacy gap, but it doesn't seem to be getting better.
2018-08-05T01:55:37Z siraben: Now I believe more than half of the world are using mobile phones
2018-08-05T01:55:49Z siraben: So our species as a whole is very aware of modern technology
2018-08-05T01:55:59Z siraben: Zipheir`: I agree with that lack of literacy.
2018-08-05T01:56:15Z siraben: I don't know if it should be presented as something "easy" (Hour of code etc.)
2018-08-05T01:56:33Z siraben: It should just be made mandatory like math, then people who like it can study it further.
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2018-08-05T01:56:56Z siraben: "In 2016, an estimated 62.9 percent of the population worldwide already owned a mobile phone."
2018-08-05T01:57:01Z Zipheir`: Right.
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2018-08-05T01:57:43Z siraben: But it's the chicken and egg problem... to teach programming you need people who know it, to know it you need someone to teach it etc.
2018-08-05T01:57:54Z Zipheir`: And the sociopolitical implications of huge numbers of people using technology they don't know how to control are scary, etc.
2018-08-05T01:58:18Z siraben: I wonder how many people can write FizzBuzz
2018-08-05T01:58:54Z Zipheir`: Very few, considering the whole human population.
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2018-08-05T01:59:53Z Zipheir`: Linus Torvalds suggested buying huge numbers of cheap computers and just giving them to kids.
2018-08-05T02:00:10Z siraben: 1 laptop per child?
2018-08-05T02:00:16Z Zipheir`: Like R-Pis, not Chromebooks or some other locked-down crap.
2018-08-05T02:00:38Z siraben: And most people in the world are blissfully unaware of the downsides of proprietary software.
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2018-08-05T02:01:01Z siraben: We are conditioned to click "I agree to the Terms and Conditions" without thought now.
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2018-08-05T02:01:24Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I really liked the 1 Laptop Per Child idea.
2018-08-05T02:01:38Z siraben: But it's difficult to not misuse it
2018-08-05T02:01:51Z siraben: You need good adults as well for role models
2018-08-05T02:03:05Z Zipheir`: And a lot of parents _still_ seem to think it's all a waste of time.
2018-08-05T02:03:16Z Zipheir`: "Messing around with computers", that is.
2018-08-05T02:03:22Z siraben: I read some statistic saying 91% of American parents want their children to learn CS
2018-08-05T02:03:57Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://news.gallup.com/poll/184637/parents-students-computer-science-education-school.aspx
2018-08-05T02:04:14Z siraben: High demand, low supply
2018-08-05T02:04:34Z Zipheir`: Well, that's actually good new.s
2018-08-05T02:04:40Z Zipheir`: *news.
2018-08-05T02:04:42Z siraben: Not sure how reliable this survey is
2018-08-05T02:04:49Z Zipheir`: Gallup's usually pretty decent.
2018-08-05T02:05:24Z siraben: Just came up with fizzbuzz: (for-each (lambda (x) (display (cond ((zero? (modulo x 15)) "FizzBuzz") ((zero? (modulo x 3)) "Fizz") ((zero? (modulo x 5)) "Buzz") (else x))) (newline)) (range 1 100))
2018-08-05T02:05:35Z siraben: Where range is defined : (define (range low high) (if (> low high) '() (cons low (range (1+ low) high))))
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2018-08-05T02:05:46Z siraben: It was trivial with `for-each' and `cond' evidently.
2018-08-05T02:06:03Z Zipheir`: Wow, those numbers on "Computer science vs. the 'three Rs'". The education professionals on the whole thought a lot less of CS.
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2018-08-05T02:06:23Z siraben: At my high school there's one CS teacher
2018-08-05T02:06:27Z siraben: Only one
2018-08-05T02:06:47Z siraben: Whereas the math department has like 10 or so
2018-08-05T02:08:06Z Zipheir`: That sounds about right.
2018-08-05T02:08:17Z siraben: Are programming jobs being outsourced to other countries?
2018-08-05T02:08:37Z Zipheir`: Depends what country we're talking about, I imagine.
2018-08-05T02:08:42Z siraben: Say the US
2018-08-05T02:08:51Z siraben: From the US to other countires
2018-08-05T02:08:55Z qu1j0t3: siraben: FROM the US? yes.
2018-08-05T02:09:26Z qu1j0t3: plus it's built into many corporate structures. all the big name companies have foreign development centres.
2018-08-05T02:10:15Z siraben: Zipheir`: So would Scheme be an ideal teaching language?
2018-08-05T02:10:37Z siraben: SICP was amazingly holistic from the top down
2018-08-05T02:10:53Z siraben: I think we talked about this earlier.
2018-08-05T02:11:20Z Zipheir`: siraben: IMHO it's a very good language for teaching. But Philip Wadler's points about some of its weirder corners are good--things like special forms and quote could trip some people up.
2018-08-05T02:11:30Z Zipheir`: siraben: Yeah, I'm sure we did.
2018-08-05T02:11:31Z siraben: Zipheir`: Where does he point it out?
2018-08-05T02:11:46Z siraben: I want to know how functional programming feels to newcomers
2018-08-05T02:12:01Z Zipheir`: siraben: "Calculating Is Better Than Scheming" https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/dat/miranda/wadler87.pdf
2018-08-05T02:12:15Z Zipheir`: ^^ classic wadler title
2018-08-05T02:12:27Z siraben: I think it's easier when you have factorial be defined as: factorial n = foldl (*) 1 [1..n]
2018-08-05T02:12:38Z siraben: Rather than a C-style language with all the loops
2018-08-05T02:12:51Z Zipheir`: Oh, absolutely, I would say.
2018-08-05T02:13:07Z Zipheir`: To understand a loop, you've got to execute it in your head.
2018-08-05T02:13:11Z siraben: "which may start a revolution in the way programming is taught"
2018-08-05T02:13:15Z siraben: Oh, fun times.
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2018-08-05T02:14:22Z black_13: any users of s7 scheme
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2018-08-05T02:16:09Z siraben: Zipheir`: Take it from me, I did the multi-choice section in AP ;)
2018-08-05T02:16:27Z Zipheir`: black_13: That's the first I've heard of s7. What are you using it for?
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2018-08-05T02:17:09Z black_13: embedding in QT application
2018-08-05T02:17:25Z black_13: I know there are others but i am using this
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2018-08-05T02:17:38Z black_13: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/s7.html#testhook
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2018-08-05T02:21:19Z siraben: Zipheir`: I agree with Wadler on Scheme's lack of pattern matching.
2018-08-05T02:22:36Z Zipheir`: siraben: The standard imperative pseudo-code that people use to explain algorithms really tends to bury the important points in lots of housekeeping code. Quicksort is very easy to express functionally, but the imperative version is dense because of all the stupid assignments. :)
2018-08-05T02:22:37Z siraben: A lot of beginners probably make type errors early on as well.
2018-08-05T02:22:49Z Zipheir`: Yes, those are good points too.
2018-08-05T02:23:07Z siraben: So, we just need a Lisp with good syntax, pattern matching and type checking
2018-08-05T02:23:18Z siraben: Why can't we have a type system like that of Standard ML?
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2018-08-05T02:25:37Z Zipheir`: Symbols, mainly.
2018-08-05T02:25:51Z siraben: Zipheir`: Underneath Python's innocent-looking syntax is a monstrous imperative langauge
2018-08-05T02:25:59Z Zipheir`: siraben: Well put :D
2018-08-05T02:26:29Z siraben: Maybe if we didn't have all the parens...  but then it would be a good change to teach newcomers good text editors
2018-08-05T02:26:31Z siraben: Like Emacs!
2018-08-05T02:26:43Z siraben: I'm biased.
2018-08-05T02:27:23Z Zipheir`: Much is made of how hard it is to work with Lisp's parens. I think it's bogus.
2018-08-05T02:28:01Z siraben: Maybe if we can teach people how to use Excel formulas that will bring up some computer literacy
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2018-08-05T02:28:20Z pie___: i think its a little noisy but i use tons of parens anyway because i dont want to learn precedence rules
2018-08-05T02:28:46Z siraben: pie___: I agree.  Order of evaluation is unambiguous.
2018-08-05T02:28:47Z pie___: :p
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2018-08-05T02:28:55Z siraben: Well, not "order" per se when you have mutation...
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2018-08-05T02:29:08Z pie___: i get what you mean
2018-08-05T02:29:12Z siraben: e.g. (map (lambda (x) (set! global-thing x)) '(1 2 3 4 5))
2018-08-05T02:29:20Z siraben: Map isn't required to do it left to right
2018-08-05T02:29:28Z pie___: well, perhaps one would say human-parsing is unambiguous
2018-08-05T02:29:40Z siraben: But programming functionally has really helped me chunk concepts
2018-08-05T02:29:56Z siraben: I used to do a lot of Windows Batch file programming, which was like BASIC with all the GOTOs
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2018-08-05T02:30:41Z pie___: (thank god i never really tried that when i was younger, i was put off by how horrible it was :D)
2018-08-05T02:30:52Z siraben: What did you program in when you were younger?
2018-08-05T02:31:00Z pie___: nothing really :p
2018-08-05T02:31:02Z siraben: I also did Python, but didn't get too far with Pygame
2018-08-05T02:31:15Z siraben: Except type character by character the examples from a book
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2018-08-05T02:34:30Z Zipheir`: siraben: An invaluable thing for getting kids into programming is getting them to understand that they shouldn't be afraid to do things with a computer that they haven't been told to do.
2018-08-05T02:35:01Z Zipheir`: siraben: As I remember, it took me a while to get the courage even to _try_ extending the programs I used as a kid.
2018-08-05T02:35:19Z Zipheir`: siraben: Because, oh no, you might break something :-p
2018-08-05T02:35:21Z siraben: Yeah because you get the feeling like it's someone else's work
2018-08-05T02:35:26Z siraben: And you might break something, correct.
2018-08-05T02:35:53Z siraben: A _lot_ of things have to go right for a person to like programming it seems.
2018-08-05T02:36:09Z siraben: No wonder only 5% or less of the world can do sol
2018-08-05T02:36:48Z Zipheir`: Yeah.
2018-08-05T02:37:11Z siraben: What time is it over there?
2018-08-05T02:37:28Z Zipheir`: It's 22:37 where I am.
2018-08-05T02:37:30Z siraben: It's 9:37 a.m. here
2018-08-05T02:37:43Z siraben: Oh cool
2018-08-05T02:37:43Z siraben:  
2018-08-05T02:37:46Z Zipheir`: Hah, I love IRC>
2018-08-05T02:38:01Z siraben: Isn't IRC on the decline?
2018-08-05T02:38:25Z Zipheir`: It has been for years.
2018-08-05T02:38:31Z siraben: Glad I found it, talking about niche topics would've been lonely
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2018-08-05T02:39:53Z Zipheir`: siraben: Have you read _Hackers_ by Steven Levy?
2018-08-05T02:41:16Z siraben: No I have not.
2018-08-05T02:41:24Z siraben: Is it good?
2018-08-05T02:41:50Z siraben: Oof that's another thing, the meaning of "hackers" has been warped by the media into a bad thing.
2018-08-05T02:42:21Z Zipheir`: It can be a little annoying, but he really captures the "hacker ethic" in a lot of the book's stories.
2018-08-05T02:42:39Z Zipheir`: Yeah, he wrote about how that book's title confuses people now.
2018-08-05T02:42:52Z siraben: When I think of "hackers" I keep seeing Richard Stallman haha
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2018-08-05T02:43:47Z siraben: But people tend of think of a dark room with a person in a hoodie (?).  Perhaps this is one of the reasons why programming has not caught on much.  If you open innocent looking Scheme code in a text editor people like to think you're "hacking".
2018-08-05T02:43:59Z siraben: I've had people ask me if I know how to hack when I was writing Scheme -_-
2018-08-05T02:44:52Z Zipheir`: Yeah, same here :)
2018-08-05T02:45:21Z Zipheir`: Actually, it attracts a lot of people who want to be 1337 haxxors. But they get bored and quit early.
2018-08-05T02:45:48Z siraben: Fun fact:  if you search "programming" on Google Images you get... a lot of obfuscated/minified Javascript code
2018-08-05T02:46:15Z siraben: e.g. I grabbed one off https://www.teachermagazine.com.au/articles/computing-programming-and-coding-in-schools
2018-08-05T02:47:05Z Zipheir`: It's usually either JS or C++.
2018-08-05T02:47:31Z Zipheir`: It reminds me of how the most recent Tron movie used Emacs for their super-futuristic UIs.
2018-08-05T02:47:54Z siraben: Oh yes, I rewatched one of the scenes in which Emacs was used
2018-08-05T02:48:11Z Zipheir`: And The Matrix cemented green-on-black text for decades to come.
2018-08-05T02:48:18Z siraben: Zipheir`: Mark Zuckerberg used Emacs in the movie "The Social Network:
2018-08-05T02:48:23Z siraben: s/:/"
2018-08-05T02:48:58Z siraben: Trinity used nmap IIRC
2018-08-05T02:49:37Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-05T02:50:13Z X-Scale: I loved Tron Legacy. One of those rare decent futuristic films done nowadays.
2018-08-05T02:50:22Z siraben: So we can thank pop culture, media etc. for creating this weird stigma/fascination of programming
2018-08-05T02:50:22Z Zipheir`: The most appropriate thing ever, though, was Jason Bourne using bash in those movies. :)
2018-08-05T02:50:37Z siraben: X-Scale: I liked it as well.
2018-08-05T02:50:51Z Zipheir`: X-Scale: Was it good? I never got around to seeing it.
2018-08-05T02:50:53Z siraben: It was a good story, futuristic world, rarely seen.
2018-08-05T02:50:55Z X-Scale: Wargames being an old time classic when it comes to hacking
2018-08-05T02:51:01Z siraben: Zipheir`: It's good.
2018-08-05T02:51:09Z siraben: The soundtrack gives me chills too
2018-08-05T02:51:31Z Zipheir`: X-Scale: Wargames was the movie that started the "hackers" moral panic, iirc.
2018-08-05T02:51:31Z siraben: I don't get why Rotten Tomatoes doesn't like it that much
2018-08-05T02:51:33Z X-Scale: Zipheir`: it's serious, no easy jokes like you see all the times in CGI movies
2018-08-05T02:51:52Z Zipheir`: OK, I'll have to check it out.
2018-08-05T02:52:11Z X-Scale: And very powerful computer graphics
2018-08-05T02:52:19Z siraben: There was a good TV that came out last year as well... Mr. Robot
2018-08-05T02:52:25Z siraben: I only watched the first 5 episodes or so
2018-08-05T02:52:26Z Zipheir`: The original Tron was fun, with a lot of computer jokes that must have been completely over the head of the 80s audiences that saw it.
2018-08-05T02:52:35Z qu1j0t3: if you're into that stuff you might like Clifford Stoll's book "Cuckoo's Egg"
2018-08-05T02:52:43Z siraben: Mr. Robot does have realistic shell usage scenes
2018-08-05T02:52:53Z siraben: But to non-technical audiences it doesn't matter
2018-08-05T02:53:07Z X-Scale: A TV series that had a lot of smart computer jokes was ReBoot. I totally loved it, specially the first two seasons.
2018-08-05T02:53:22Z siraben: Zipheir`: Wadler make a joke about the program in Independence Day in his talk
2018-08-05T02:53:35Z siraben: "A dialect of C with only open paren" LOL
2018-08-05T02:53:46Z siraben: s/make/made
2018-08-05T02:54:24Z siraben: Zipheir`: I finally understood the Curry-Howard correspondence after reading intro to type theory
2018-08-05T02:54:42Z siraben: I think Wadler didn't cover it completely, but the gist was there
2018-08-05T02:54:43Z X-Scale: You hace have that classical scene of Terminator where the screen shows MOS 6502 assembly code: https://www.pagetable.com/?p=64
2018-08-05T02:54:50Z X-Scale: You also have rather
2018-08-05T02:55:45Z siraben: So there... throw a bunch of cryptic code on screen and make programming seem like a task for the geniuses.
2018-08-05T02:56:18Z siraben: The written word would have been seen the same way had it not been taught universally.
2018-08-05T02:56:43Z siraben: ^ in fact it used to be when the Egyptian hieroglyphs could only be written by scribes
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2018-08-05T02:57:51Z Zipheir`: siraben: Yeah, really. That's what watching our movies/TV shows is going to be like it a few centuries--like people throwing random letters on a page.
2018-08-05T02:58:19Z qu1j0t3: X-Scale: and not forgetting https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/cyberspace/the-truth-about-benders-brain
2018-08-05T02:59:06Z Zipheir`: X-Scale: Wow, I forgot that. I love that this futuristic death machine has comments on his HUD :D
2018-08-05T03:00:09Z X-Scale: haha
2018-08-05T03:00:10Z X-Scale: Indeed
2018-08-05T03:01:58Z siraben: Can't blame the moviemakers entirely.  They need something audiences like, and this is what it is as of now.
2018-08-05T03:02:26Z siraben: But I for one want to see Scheme in a movie
2018-08-05T03:02:31Z siraben: Or some functional language!
2018-08-05T03:03:39Z Zipheir`: My partner recently stopped watching Arrow or some other superhero thing to quote me the line: "They've uploaded the virus script to the open-source mainframe!". She was dying laughing.
2018-08-05T03:05:37Z siraben: Makes me wonder if anyone working on that movie/scene knew _anything_ about programming or computing.
2018-08-05T03:05:39Z Zipheir`: Hollywood studios needs to pay some poor programmers lots of money to stop their characters from sounding so stupid. :)
2018-08-05T03:06:01Z siraben: This is what happens when you have a cool-looking field with a lack of people who understand it!
2018-08-05T03:06:32Z siraben: Mathematicians, physicists, biologists are probably having their in-jokes as well
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2018-08-05T03:07:26Z Zipheir`: Physics gets trolled pretty hard by popular movies, like when Star Trek does everything with "graviton waves" or some such nonsense.
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2018-08-05T03:07:38Z Zipheir`: s/movies/media/, whatever
2018-08-05T03:07:48Z siraben: Time travel, FTL
2018-08-05T03:08:04Z siraben: I cringed very hard when Ant-Man had a scene saying they could shrink the space between atoms
2018-08-05T03:08:05Z Zipheir`: Those are classic trolls, though. :)
2018-08-05T03:08:14Z siraben: Or when Ant-Man shrunk to the quantum realm -_-
2018-08-05T03:09:35Z Zipheir`: Superhero movies make Star Trek look like the hardest of hard science fiction.
2018-08-05T03:10:27Z siraben: That being said, Interstellar was pretty good
2018-08-05T03:10:40Z siraben: Also Arrival was one of the very best I've seen
2018-08-05T03:11:59Z Zipheir`: But you really see the confusing ideas people have about computation with trying-to-be-realistic movies like _Snowden_. They basically used Windows XP for all the UIs, but still had to do all kinds of CGI visualizations to show you the implications of surveillance, etc. Like people wouldn't believe "good old XP" could have that kind of global reach.
2018-08-05T03:12:08Z Zipheir`: Arrival was very good indeed.
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2018-08-05T03:14:30Z siraben: I loved the scene when she had a flashback and called the general
2018-08-05T03:15:04Z X-Scale: Kip Thorne, the nobel of LIGO fame, had a quite important scientific role in the making of Interstellar -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_(film)#Scientific_accuracy
2018-08-05T03:16:46Z X-Scale: I also liked Contact, the film adaptation of Carl Sagan's novel
2018-08-05T03:18:20Z Zipheir`: Right, Contact is a good one too.
2018-08-05T03:18:46Z siraben: Zipheir`: But!  The portrayal of linguists in Arrival was completely inaccurate.
2018-08-05T03:19:01Z siraben: It gave the impression of linguists being fluent in 12 languages
2018-08-05T03:19:14Z siraben: Zipheir`: I liked the Mathematica code in that movie
2018-08-05T03:19:26Z Zipheir`: siraben: That was pretty exaggerated, true.
2018-08-05T03:19:28Z siraben: There's something for everyone.
2018-08-05T03:19:39Z siraben: They did consult Stephen Wolfram and his son
2018-08-05T03:19:50Z siraben: So no wonder the programming part was spot-on
2018-08-05T03:19:59Z siraben: X-Scale: I'll watch Contact
2018-08-05T03:20:09Z Zipheir`: Sadly, there's never been a really adequate movie/series of Solaris, which is a great book on similar themes.
2018-08-05T03:20:44Z X-Scale: In the broader area of sci-fi movies, The Abyss (from James Cameron) had a deep impact on me at the time (1989).
2018-08-05T03:22:09Z X-Scale: Pretty much some of the first truly stricking real looking CGI effects, specially in the pseudopod scenes
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2018-08-05T03:24:53Z Riastradh: X-Scale: Uhhh?  I don't think I ever knew ##parsers existed!
2018-08-05T03:26:07Z X-Scale: Riastradh: at least you show up as the founder back in 2005 on chanserv
2018-08-05T03:26:13Z Riastradh: Apparently I do.
2018-08-05T03:26:15Z Riastradh: I have no memory of this.
2018-08-05T03:26:26Z Riastradh: Someone else should be in charge.
2018-08-05T03:26:35Z Zipheir`: If only IRC channels were like conquered countries and paid tribute. :)
2018-08-05T03:26:36Z Riastradh: I haven't seen chandler on IRC in years either.
2018-08-05T03:27:41Z siraben: X-Scale: Just watched the trailer, Contact feels like Arrival!
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2018-08-05T03:31:40Z Zipheir`: Contact was super controversial when it came out, what with NASA giving people cyanide pills in the movie.
2018-08-05T03:31:47Z siraben: What
2018-08-05T03:32:15Z Zipheir`: Yeah, Sagan insisted that it happened IRL when he worked at NASA, which they denied.
2018-08-05T03:32:44Z siraben: NASA giving people cyanide pills?  Why?
2018-08-05T03:32:46Z siraben: Oh in the movie
2018-08-05T03:32:47Z Zipheir`: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_(1997_American_film)#NASA
2018-08-05T03:33:25Z siraben: lol
2018-08-05T03:33:42Z Zipheir`: I always mix that movie up with Ron Howard's Apollo 13.
2018-08-05T03:34:24Z siraben: But does NASA give cyanide pills to astronauts...?
2018-08-05T03:34:37Z Zipheir`: According to Carl Sagan...
2018-08-05T03:34:57Z siraben: Hm.
2018-08-05T03:35:01Z siraben: He doesn't usually say crazy things
2018-08-05T03:35:06Z siraben: s/doesn't/didn't
2018-08-05T03:36:26Z Zipheir`: Yeah, but you'd think some other NASA employee would have mentioned it by now. It would be a pretty depresssing policy.
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2018-08-05T03:43:30Z siraben wonders if programmers should be given cyanide pills too.
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2018-08-05T03:59:55Z qu1j0t3: nah, it's a Logan's Run type situation. You'll be hazed out by 35.
2018-08-05T04:00:10Z qu1j0t3: pills are expensive, just toss u into the badlands, nature will take its course
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2018-08-05T04:08:14Z jcowan: I expect there will be pattern matching in R7RS-large
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2018-08-05T04:09:20Z jcowan: However, I disagree about so-called "functional quicksort", which is not really quicksort unless you implement lisps as ropes
2018-08-05T04:09:25Z jcowan: s/lisps/lists/
2018-08-05T04:09:33Z jcowan: Zipheir`, siraben: ^^
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2018-08-05T04:10:21Z siraben: Maybe because of Scheme's macro system you could've always rolled your own pattern matcher, if you're Oleg,
2018-08-05T04:10:28Z siraben: jcowan: Sounds exciting!
2018-08-05T04:10:36Z siraben: How large is R7RS-large?
2018-08-05T04:10:45Z jcowan: LAAAAARGFE
2018-08-05T04:10:51Z jcowan: bigger than CL
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2018-08-05T04:11:05Z jcowan: (tbh, it depends on how many modules the WG votes in)
2018-08-05T04:11:15Z siraben: Larger than CL????
2018-08-05T04:11:18Z siraben: 1000 pages?
2018-08-05T04:11:32Z siraben: Must be a mistake, surely.
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2018-08-05T04:12:23Z jcowan: Start at https://bitbucket.org/cowan/r7rs-wg1-infra/src/default/WG2Dockets.md and follow the links to the colored dockets
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2018-08-05T04:22:51Z jcowan: dayum
2018-08-05T04:23:12Z jcowan: there is no portable implementation of the IEEE functions in (rnrs bytevector) anywhere
2018-08-05T04:23:48Z jcowan: those functions were not in the SRFI, and the R6RS implementations use low-level hacks (C unions or the equivalent) to convert 4 or 8 byte subvectors into floats
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2018-08-05T04:25:32Z siraben: What happened to Scheme being a small language?
2018-08-05T04:26:17Z X-Scale: I was just wondering about that too
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2018-08-05T04:28:14Z jcowan: THat's why it's called r7rs-large, as oppposed to r7rs-small
2018-08-05T04:28:34Z jcowan: the languages proper are pretty much the same, it's just that r7rs-large has a much larger standard library
2018-08-05T04:28:37Z siraben: What is added to Scheme in r7rs-large?
2018-08-05T04:28:49Z jcowan: see the above URL
2018-08-05T04:28:58Z siraben: It's not finished?
2018-08-05T04:29:19Z jcowan: so far only the red edition is done, nearly ready to vote on tangerine now (hopefully this year)
2018-08-05T04:29:32Z siraben: How many people are voting?
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2018-08-05T04:29:37Z siraben: And who are they?
2018-08-05T04:29:39Z jcowan: as many as want to
2018-08-05T04:35:25Z jcowan: we had 28 voters for the Red Edition ballot
2018-08-05T04:36:33Z jcowan: Vincent Manis, Sven Hartrumpf, Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer, Alex Shinn, Daniel Leslie, Takashi Kato, Joe Python, Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen, Ivan Raikov, Don Taylor, Emmanuel Medernach, Jörg F. Wittenberger, Sudarshan S Chawathe, John Cowan, Alaric Snell-Pym, Rafik Naccache, Shashank Bandari, Kevin Wortman, William D Clinger, Per Bothner, Arthur A. Gleckler, Michael Montague, Shiro Kawai, Jim Rees, Thomas Hintz, Jules Altfas, Pe
2018-08-05T04:36:34Z jcowan: ter Feigl, elf
2018-08-05T04:37:51Z jcowan: join the mailing list scheme-reports-wg2@groups.google.com, register to vote if you have not done so already, and vote when I issue the ballot, that's all
2018-08-05T04:38:08Z siraben: So it's a yes/no vote for the standard?
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2018-08-05T04:39:29Z jcowan: no, it's module by module: you can abstain, vote "no module", or vote for any of the choices given, typically just one
2018-08-05T04:39:47Z jcowan: to register, follow the procedure at http://www.r6rs.org/ratification/procedure.html under "Voter Registration"
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2018-08-05T04:40:30Z jcowan: a choice is included in the standard if a majority of the legal votes cast are in favor of it
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2018-08-05T04:41:01Z siraben: Wow interesting
2018-08-05T04:44:20Z jcowan: in the Red ballot we voted on 18 libraries; 16 had a version voted in, one was voted down, one did not have a majority and is being carried over
2018-08-05T04:45:10Z jcowan: each proposal is done as a SRFI, so for example SRFI 1 was the list library and SRFI 113 was the set library.
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2018-08-05T04:48:17Z Zipheir`: jcowan: So why is it that ropes are needed to implement a true functional quicksort?
2018-08-05T04:48:51Z siraben: Zipheir`: Ropes in Scheme?  How and why?
2018-08-05T04:48:53Z jcowan: to get the cost of appending vectors small enough
2018-08-05T04:49:08Z Zipheir`: So it's an efficiency issue?
2018-08-05T04:49:17Z jcowan: yes, it's called quicksort for a reason
2018-08-05T04:49:27Z Zipheir`: Right.
2018-08-05T04:49:32Z siraben: Pfft I will have none of this functional mumbo-jumbo and write an imperative assembly version instead
2018-08-05T04:49:34Z siraben:  /s
2018-08-05T04:50:17Z Zipheir`: The version I was thinking of was Bird & Wadler's beautiful and hilariously inefficient filter-concatenate list implementatation.
2018-08-05T04:54:05Z Zipheir`: siraben: You can certainly do that if you like. :)
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2018-08-05T04:56:53Z siraben: Zipheir`: I wonder what a Forth version would look like
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2018-08-05T04:58:29Z Zipheir`: siraben: Here's an attempt https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Quicksort#Forth
2018-08-05T04:58:39Z X-Scale: siraben: also check #forth as there are active forth programmers there
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2018-08-05T04:59:19Z Zipheir`: The first example here is the one I was thinking of: https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Quicksort#Haskell
2018-08-05T05:00:05Z Zipheir`: It would be hard to express that algorithm more tersely or less efficiently.
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2018-08-05T05:28:38Z siraben: X-Scale: That channel seems to be dead
2018-08-05T05:28:40Z siraben: #forth
2018-08-05T05:28:52Z siraben: Zipheir`: X-Scale: I just saw mandelbrot in Forth 0.0
2018-08-05T05:29:13Z siraben: So this person wrote a scheme in forth https://github.com/tgvaughan/scheme.forth.jl
2018-08-05T05:29:22Z siraben: And the Forth system runs on Julia
2018-08-05T05:29:22Z siraben: https://github.com/tgvaughan/forth.jl
2018-08-05T05:29:35Z siraben: This is utterly beautiful: https://github.com/tgvaughan/forth.jl/blob/master/examples/mandelbrot.4th
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2018-08-05T05:33:15Z siraben: Zipheir`: I like how it said "email protected"
2018-08-05T05:33:35Z siraben: But clicking edit allows you to see it
2018-08-05T05:37:41Z siraben: Zipheir`: Beautiful.  Haskell should be used to teach new programmers.
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2018-08-05T05:39:41Z Zipheir`: Forth still looks like weird asm to me.
2018-08-05T05:40:01Z Zipheir`: Is .4th really the suffix Forth programmers use?
2018-08-05T05:40:02Z siraben: I just typed out that mandelbrot code...it works perfectly.
2018-08-05T05:40:10Z siraben: I'm not aware of a consistent suffix
2018-08-05T05:40:18Z siraben: .fth is populate too
2018-08-05T05:40:23Z siraben: s/populate/popular
2018-08-05T05:40:24Z Zipheir`: Nice.
2018-08-05T05:40:36Z siraben: I like how he redefined *
2018-08-05T05:40:46Z siraben: It's 100% not asm
2018-08-05T05:41:21Z siraben: I like languages with REPLs, it's fun.
2018-08-05T05:41:21Z Zipheir`: Comment: 'Yay forth!'
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2018-08-05T05:42:54Z siraben: (define * ...)
2018-08-05T05:42:56Z siraben: The power
2018-08-05T05:43:13Z Zipheir`: That's valid Scheme, of course.
2018-08-05T05:43:13Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: it's like assembly with a better macro system and a built in stack
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2018-08-05T05:44:27Z Zipheir`: I'll push it onto my stack (queue? bag?) of languages to learn :)
2018-08-05T05:44:45Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: you can learn it pretty easily (just like Scheme)
2018-08-05T05:44:46Z siraben: Ba dump whoosh
2018-08-05T05:44:50Z nisstyre: the hard part is mastering it obviously
2018-08-05T05:44:54Z Zipheir`: *thunk*
2018-08-05T05:44:59Z siraben: nisstyre: Do you have forth experience?
2018-08-05T05:45:05Z nisstyre: siraben: a little bit
2018-08-05T05:45:13Z siraben: I found Starting Forth to be a good resources
2018-08-05T05:45:13Z nisstyre: and with variants of Forth
2018-08-05T05:45:16Z nisstyre: like RPL and Factor
2018-08-05T05:45:22Z nisstyre: yes I've read some of that
2018-08-05T05:46:03Z nisstyre: siraben: the most frustrating part of Forth for me is just the lack of guidance on code reuse
2018-08-05T05:46:05Z nisstyre: and libraries
2018-08-05T05:46:17Z siraben: nisstyre: Roll your own!
2018-08-05T05:46:21Z siraben: Roll your own Forth too!
2018-08-05T05:46:22Z nisstyre: I'm not going to implement everything from scratch unless I'm writing some low level stuff
2018-08-05T05:46:30Z nisstyre: siraben: I could do that
2018-08-05T05:47:38Z nisstyre: https://1scyem2bunjw1ghzsf1cjwwn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Starting-FORTH.pdf
2018-08-05T05:47:52Z siraben: Finished it
2018-08-05T05:47:59Z siraben: Next, Thinking Forth
2018-08-05T05:49:40Z Zipheir`: Venturing Forth?
2018-08-05T05:50:37Z siraben: Where no man has gone
2018-08-05T05:51:12Z Zipheir`: Damn, how has the name "Ponzi Scheme" not been taken yet? I have a name for a Scheme if I ever implement one.
2018-08-05T05:51:19Z siraben: It has
2018-08-05T05:51:29Z siraben: Pyramid Scheme
2018-08-05T05:52:20Z Zipheir`: That's similar.
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2018-08-05T05:52:34Z Zipheir`: It seems there was a Ponzi once, but it looks unmaintained.
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2018-08-05T05:53:07Z Zipheir`: Most recent commit: "Changed language from C to C++". Err...
2018-08-05T05:53:21Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15817542
2018-08-05T05:53:30Z aeth: The best Scheme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Airship_Scheme
2018-08-05T05:54:14Z Zipheir`: aeth: omg
2018-08-05T05:54:37Z siraben: Wikipedia's disambiguation page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme
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2018-08-05T05:55:43Z Zipheir`: aeth: I can't imagine anything cooler than telling people you program in Imperial Airship.
2018-08-05T05:57:19Z siraben: Imperial Airship [Scheme] haha
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2018-08-05T05:58:34Z aeth: yeah
2018-08-05T05:58:42Z Zipheir`: Well, it sounds more professional than Plan 9 From Bell Labs.
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2018-08-05T06:01:21Z siraben: In U.S. you program a Scheme, in Soviet Russia, the Scheme programs you!
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2018-08-05T06:03:07Z Zipheir`: siraben: No, you just use Stalin.
2018-08-05T06:03:23Z siraben: Stalin is very optimizing]
2018-08-05T06:03:55Z Zipheir`: Stalin is a pretty awesome compiler, by all accounts.
2018-08-05T06:04:04Z Zipheir`: Too bad it's stuck in quasi-R4RS
2018-08-05T06:04:50Z X-Scale: siraben: re #forth: there were interesting discussions on the channel earlier. You just have to stay around
2018-08-05T06:05:31Z siraben clutches
2018-08-05T06:06:31Z X-Scale: siraben: have you checked the PostScript language ? It has many similarities with forth
2018-08-05T06:09:15Z siraben: Isn't postscript a document preparation language?
2018-08-05T06:09:42Z aeth: How many people want me to rename cl-scheme to Imperial Airship Scheme?
2018-08-05T06:10:36Z siraben: X-Scale: Looks like Forth!
2018-08-05T06:11:03Z X-Scale: siraben: it's a stack based programming language with graphical primitives useful for very detailed page description
2018-08-05T06:11:14Z X-Scale: siraben: It does :)
2018-08-05T06:11:30Z siraben: X-Scale: I might as well learn TikZ, a package for Latex
2018-08-05T06:11:43Z siraben: if you have texlive installed, run "texdoc tikz" for the most amazing manual you've ever seen
2018-08-05T06:11:54Z siraben: You can make fancy diagrams like in math/CS textbooks
2018-08-05T06:12:12Z Zipheir`: aeth: Do it.
2018-08-05T06:14:31Z siraben: https://imgur.com/a/BwEgqsD
2018-08-05T06:15:17Z siraben: The code on the bottom generates the diagram
2018-08-05T06:15:30Z siraben: Looks like a functional-ish language
2018-08-05T06:15:54Z X-Scale: It looks great. It's amazing what people can do with TeX macros.
2018-08-05T06:16:27Z siraben: The manual is a joy to skim through, I don't have the time right now to go through it
2018-08-05T06:16:29Z siraben: In detail
2018-08-05T06:17:20Z siraben: It would be amazing to have the SICP picture language compile to TikZ
2018-08-05T06:17:29Z siraben: Anyone remember that from the lectures?
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2018-08-05T06:18:27Z siraben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QgZVYI3tDs&t=0s&index=6&list=PLE18841CABEA24090
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2018-08-05T06:18:31Z Zipheir`: siraben: Yes!
2018-08-05T06:18:49Z siraben: Come to think of it, it wouldn't be hard to emit TikZ code
2018-08-05T06:19:17Z siraben: technomancy is making keyboard designs in Racket, so we surely can do this in Scheme
2018-08-05T06:19:52Z siraben: Lisps are the perfect languages for document structures..
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2018-08-05T18:35:49Z quipa: let me ask a bit of heresy xD
2018-08-05T18:36:07Z quipa: would anyone enjoy using this notation
2018-08-05T18:36:09Z quipa: [(+ 1 1) [+ 1 1]] == [1 [+ 1 1]] == `(,(+ 1 1) (+ 1 1)) == '(2 (+ 1 1))
2018-08-05T18:36:35Z quipa: [] == '()
2018-08-05T18:36:55Z quipa: I can only think of one place it doesn't fit and that's with simple symbols
2018-08-05T18:37:06Z quipa: but 'symbol could still be used in that case
2018-08-05T18:37:21Z quipa: ah small mistake
2018-08-05T18:37:35Z quipa: [(+ 1 1) [+ 1 1]] == [2 [+ 1 1]] == `(,(+ 1 1) (+ 1 1)) == '(2 (+ 1 1))
2018-08-05T18:38:20Z quipa: it would avoid much of the quasiquote, unquote patterns
2018-08-05T18:38:55Z quipa: maybe just keep ,@() as @[]
2018-08-05T18:39:12Z quipa: and could even have a pattern for creating vectors
2018-08-05T18:39:26Z quipa: like unquote-splicing
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2018-08-05T18:40:21Z quipa: Think I am going to write a little description of the idea
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2018-08-05T18:46:47Z pjb: quipa: 1- in most scheme implementations, [] is equivalent to ()  (however, I don't remember if that's in r5rs, I think not).
2018-08-05T18:47:07Z quipa: yup sure
2018-08-05T18:47:11Z pjb: quipa: 2- there ar no reader macro in r5rs (I think I heard there were reader macros or something like that in r7rs).
2018-08-05T18:47:14Z quipa: it's like that in racket
2018-08-05T18:48:00Z pjb: It would be easy to implement such a reader macro in CL, where {} [] and ! and ? are reserved for user reader macros. (no library clobber them).
2018-08-05T18:48:39Z quipa: hum sounds interesting
2018-08-05T18:49:22Z pjb: quipa: but the problem is that it won't be that useful.  The notation advantange it would bring is not big enough to justify the cost of implementation and of learning a new syntax.
2018-08-05T18:49:54Z pjb: It can also lead to more errors, since, honestly, I didn't notice the parentheses in [(+ 1 1) [+ 1 1]] at first.
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2018-08-05T18:50:22Z pjb: Contrarily to `(,(+ 1 1) (+ 1 2)), where the comma jumps to the eyes as an hugly wart.
2018-08-05T18:50:38Z pjb: s/hu/u/
2018-08-05T18:50:51Z quipa: yeah but that's exactly my point
2018-08-05T18:51:18Z pjb: Oh, you want to obfuscate lisp code. They have fun, reader macros are the tool to use for that!
2018-08-05T18:51:43Z pjb: (also, it's so easy, that there's no challenge, contrarily to the obfuscated C contest).
2018-08-05T18:52:56Z quipa: to be honest coming from python and having learnt Julia (which by the way is a Lisp behind the scenes) it is really easy easy to spot data strcutures with []
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2018-08-05T18:52:58Z daviid: quipa: imo, it does not help at all, but make it a lot harder to read the code
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2018-08-05T18:53:07Z pjb: That said, I have implemented a set of Objective-CL reader macros. In Objective-C, [object message:argument]  is the syntax to send a message to an object.  In the case of my reader macro, the syntax allow for lisp sexps [object message:(+ 1 2)]
2018-08-05T18:53:17Z pjb: or even [(if foo object1 object2) message:arg]
2018-08-05T18:54:08Z pjb: and of course you can send messages recursively: [(if foo [object parent] [object childAt:(+ 1 index)]) display]
2018-08-05T18:55:11Z pjb: quipa: but notice how here, the parentheses jump to the eye, because there is more syntax that doesn't use special characters, but identifiers (the variables refering the objects, the class names, the message selectors, etc).
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2018-08-05T18:55:45Z pjb: Also, it's a syntax that's already known to Objective-C programmers that would be the only programmers using this reader macro in lisp programs.
2018-08-05T18:56:12Z quipa: hum ok I never even looked at Objective-C so have no clue what your talking about
2018-08-05T18:56:22Z pjb: Reader macros should be designed in function of their users. They're part of the textual user interface  for a given set of users.
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2018-08-05T18:56:53Z pjb: Lispers will prefer normal sexps with parentheses.  If you have other classes of users/programmers (eg. domain experts) then you will want to provide them with a specific syntax matching what they're used to.
2018-08-05T18:57:03Z quipa: well for me coming from python and having used julia (which is a lisp behnd the curtains) it's common to use [] for data structures
2018-08-05T18:57:34Z pjb: quipa: understandable. Notice, there's cl-python. You can enter python sources, and get lisp classes and functions.
2018-08-05T18:57:51Z pjb: https://common-lisp.net/project/clpython/
2018-08-05T18:58:11Z pjb: So it's very nice because you can easily mix python code and lisp code in a single lisp program.
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2018-08-05T18:58:20Z quipa: I actually have a bookmark to that :P
2018-08-05T18:58:42Z pjb: Again, there's no standard way to do it in scheme in general.  Racket provides the #lang or !lang thingy.
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2018-08-05T18:58:56Z quipa: yup
2018-08-05T18:59:02Z quipa: I am using Racket quite a bit so
2018-08-05T18:59:52Z quipa: btw is form a common term to mean anything that is like a definition, control structure or macro?
2018-08-05T19:00:02Z daviid: quipa: skribilo uses [ ]
2018-08-05T19:00:04Z pjb: yes.
2018-08-05T19:00:07Z daviid: http://www.nongnu.org/skribilo/
2018-08-05T19:00:27Z pjb: form is a general term, beyond lisp, to denote objects (data) having a certain specified form.
2018-08-05T19:00:48Z pjb: Now in lisp (or specifically in CL), we use form to talk about sexps indented to be evaluated.
2018-08-05T19:01:18Z pjb: But since in lisp all data can be evaluated (producing an error or not), there's no technical difference between a form and a sexp.
2018-08-05T19:01:53Z quipa: hum okay but I mean that's what distinguishes a function/procedure from say a definition right?
2018-08-05T19:01:56Z pjb: The only thing is that some forms are invalid even and know to produce a (program-) error even before evaluating them, just because of their "form".
2018-08-05T19:02:25Z quipa: I kind of mean form as r5rs type expression
2018-08-05T19:02:35Z quipa: and I think they used it sparsely but they do
2018-08-05T19:02:42Z quipa: that got me thinking
2018-08-05T19:02:52Z pjb: For example, any sexp that contains a list as first element of a list that doesn't start with lambda, and that is in an evaluated position is not a valid form in CL, since operators can only be symbols of lambda expressions.
2018-08-05T19:03:06Z pjb: ((+ 1 2) 3) is a program-error in CL.
2018-08-05T19:03:08Z daviid: quipa: http://www.nongnu.org/skribilo/doc/user-3.html#skribe-syntax
2018-08-05T19:03:10Z quipa: yup
2018-08-05T19:03:11Z daviid: for info ...
2018-08-05T19:03:59Z pjb: Just take form as a sexp intended as an expression to be evaluated, contrarily to data as a sexp intended to be processed by a function.
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2018-08-05T19:04:21Z pjb: Of course, there's no difference, since a form is processed by a function (eval or compile) to be evaluatled.
2018-08-05T19:04:42Z pjb: It's just a distinction for human programmers.
2018-08-05T19:05:41Z quipa: you mean semantically..?
2018-08-05T19:05:45Z quipa: it makes no difference
2018-08-05T19:05:49Z quipa: hum
2018-08-05T19:05:55Z pjb: In maths, notably in formal systems, (languages,  parsers, etc), the term form is more meaningful, since it defines more specific sets normally.
2018-08-05T19:06:38Z pjb: quipa: yes, since in lisp we do code = data, some definition become meaningless (ie. they designate everything (or nothing)).
2018-08-05T19:07:15Z quipa: well there is a moment that it is either one or the other
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2018-08-05T19:07:39Z quipa: I mean that's why quote exists no? to distinguish one from the other
2018-08-05T19:07:51Z pjb: For example, in particule physics, one can distinguish bosons from fermions.  But when you generalize and enter the subparticule domain, it makes no difference: you only have quarks (or lower, just strings).
2018-08-05T19:08:16Z pjb: quipa: quote exists to prevent the evaluation of its argument.  Not to distinguish data from code.
2018-08-05T19:08:32Z pjb: The argument to quote could be a function, or a sexp that could be interpreted or compiled.
2018-08-05T19:08:39Z pjb: ie. a form. Or "pure" data.
2018-08-05T19:08:53Z quipa: well in the code it does distinguish it
2018-08-05T19:08:58Z quipa: it says this is data
2018-08-05T19:09:02Z quipa: do what you want with it
2018-08-05T19:09:06Z pjb: But there's no "pure" data, since any function processing data can be taken as an "interpreter" or a "compiler" for that data.
2018-08-05T19:09:16Z quipa: sure
2018-08-05T19:09:21Z quipa: but it's either one or the other
2018-08-05T19:09:41Z quipa: can't be both at the same time
2018-08-05T19:09:50Z pjb: It's only a question of point of view, of the human programmer reading the program at some point of time.
2018-08-05T19:10:00Z pjb: It's not a real thing in the computer.
2018-08-05T19:10:18Z quipa: ok so are you saying a CPU is the same as a HD :P?
2018-08-05T19:10:24Z pjb: And that can definitely be both at the same time, when you write a compiler or an interpreter.
2018-08-05T19:10:48Z pjb: Of course, there's the time-space equivalence. You can trade computing time for memory space and vice-versa.
2018-08-05T19:11:23Z quipa: ok I am not a physicist but things are either matter or energy even though they are equivalent
2018-08-05T19:11:30Z pjb: For example, if you have a very complex algorith to compress your hard disk, you can avoid having it, just store the compressed version in RAM, and uncompress the sectors you need when you need them.
2018-08-05T19:11:34Z quipa: but it's not both at the same time
2018-08-05T19:11:46Z pjb: This will slow down your program a lot, assuming a very good compression algorithm.
2018-08-05T19:12:27Z pjb: And vice-versa, instead of spending time computing the hash keys, to find bitcoins, you can use a very big hard disk, with all the possible hash values pre-computed.
2018-08-05T19:12:42Z quipa: look I don't disagree it's a trade-off
2018-08-05T19:12:45Z quipa: but it is one :P
2018-08-05T19:12:51Z pjb: Things are both at the same time.  Have a look at the double-split experiment.
2018-08-05T19:13:01Z quipa: it is a discrete binary not a continuum
2018-08-05T19:13:17Z pjb: And there's not only E=mc², but there's also a similar formula making the equivalence between energy and information.
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2018-08-05T19:13:46Z pjb: http://www.gwu.edu/~umpleby/recent_papers/2004_physical_relationships_among_matter_energy_information_umpleby.htm
2018-08-05T19:13:47Z quipa: yeah but what I mean is your either in one side of the formula or the other
2018-08-05T19:13:48Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/KnaE5Wetmo
2018-08-05T19:13:50Z quipa: you can't be in both
2018-08-05T19:13:52Z pjb:     E-M  E=mc²
2018-08-05T19:13:52Z pjb:     E-I  E=hf
2018-08-05T19:13:52Z pjb:     M-I  m=fh/c²  f=mc²/h
2018-08-05T19:13:52Z pjb:  
2018-08-05T19:14:05Z pjb: Bremermann's limit = 2e50  bit/kg/s     Bremermann's Limit is the maximum computational speed of a self-contained system in the material universe.
2018-08-05T19:14:46Z pjb: Remember this limit, so you may have good laugh at people talking of asymptotic complexity sometimes ;-)
2018-08-05T19:14:46Z quipa: anyways have to go for dinner :)
2018-08-05T19:15:00Z quipa: but I just think we are discussing about a coin
2018-08-05T19:15:05Z quipa: you tell me it's one entity
2018-08-05T19:15:11Z quipa: and I say it is but it has two sides
2018-08-05T19:15:14Z quipa: heads or tails
2018-08-05T19:15:21Z quipa: doesn't mean it stops being a coin
2018-08-05T19:15:24Z pjb: three sides! M, E and I ;-)
2018-08-05T19:15:38Z quipa: yeah n-d sides whatever
2018-08-05T19:15:46Z quipa: ut it can only be in one side at the time
2018-08-05T19:15:51Z pjb: (and probably even 4, L, but it's too early to talk about it).
2018-08-05T19:15:59Z quipa: I mean imagine playing D&D with a dice that wasn't like that
2018-08-05T19:16:05Z quipa: haha
2018-08-05T19:16:41Z quipa: thanks for the explanations ;) pjb
2018-08-05T19:16:49Z quipa: see you around :)
2018-08-05T19:17:00Z pjb: Bon appetit!
2018-08-05T19:21:14Z amz31: this off topic, but i can't get an answer elsewhere
2018-08-05T19:21:16Z amz31: my question is, during the measure of a behavior do you map [0..1] subset to another space using a continuous function
2018-08-05T19:21:36Z amz31: I mean is it legal to to do
2018-08-05T19:21:57Z amz31: map a subset of [0..1] to say [-100..100]
2018-08-05T19:22:07Z amz31: using some continuous function
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2018-08-05T19:24:45Z amz31: like in [0,1] real number space, the interesting stuff you zoom into it using expt and some minus stuff
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2018-08-05T19:47:01Z jcowan: I certainly don't scheme to propose any reader macros in R7RS-large
2018-08-05T19:47:23Z jcowan: in either sense of "scheme", plan or plot
2018-08-05T19:50:15Z pjb: jcowan: I find it regretable. It's obviously a need, since Racket and other implementation propose such syntactic tools.
2018-08-05T19:50:43Z pjb: That said, I can understand you don't want to standardize a Common Scheme language.
2018-08-05T19:50:50Z jcowan: the problem with them is the lack of any phasing system
2018-08-05T19:51:08Z pjb: But I find it regretable. I don't like being locked down to a single provider.
2018-08-05T19:51:27Z jcowan: Scheme is the furthest possible thing from that
2018-08-05T19:51:36Z jcowan: Oh, you mean a single provider of reader macros
2018-08-05T19:51:51Z pjb: For example, these days, I found out that courier imap couldn't work anymore after a system upgrade.  I don't care why and I don't have the time to debug it.  Happily, I can switch to dovecot.
2018-08-05T19:52:35Z pjb: Choosing to use only standard API or languages with multiple providers or implementations is a good thing when you are not Apple or Microsoft.
2018-08-05T19:52:48Z jcowan: THe fact that an implementation has something does not mean there is a need for it, esp. in Racket, which is driven by what implementers feel like working on.
2018-08-05T19:52:54Z pjb: (this is also why companies such as Apple or Microsoft keep trying to lock their customers into their own "solutions").
2018-08-05T19:53:17Z jcowan: True enough, though they also game the standards process to achieve the same thing indirectly
2018-08-05T19:53:23Z pjb: jcowan: well, the need is implicitly expressed above by quipa.
2018-08-05T19:54:07Z jcowan: (when standards shift fast enough, only the deep-pocketed can keep up, as in JavaScript)
2018-08-05T19:54:58Z jcowan: However, Scheme cares about hygiene in a way that CL does not, and I don't know how to make read-macros hygienic
2018-08-05T19:54:59Z pjb: There's worse than that.  Microsoft put into RFCs horrible standards with a single practical implementation in MS-Windows.
2018-08-05T19:55:10Z jcowan: True, also ISO standars
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2018-08-05T20:39:54Z Zipheir`: jcowan: Re reader macros, what do you mean by their lacking a “phasing system”? Sorry, maybe a dumb question.
2018-08-05T20:40:34Z jcowan: In other words, it's what happens at run time that determines what happens at read time.  The same is true of CL macros, except it's at compile time rather than read time.
2018-08-05T20:41:50Z jcowan: So for example if you change the meaning of & from an identifier character to something else by calling a procedure (set-read-macro! or whatever), does that affect the code file in which this call is made, or not?
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2018-08-05T20:46:46Z Zipheir`: jcowan: OK. So it's sort of a time-domain scoping problem.
2018-08-05T20:47:06Z jcowan: In effect
2018-08-05T20:49:26Z Zipheir`: I guess you'd need some sort of read-macro-expansion phase which would precede normal reads, but then reader macros would have to be completely segregated from normal code.
2018-08-05T20:49:47Z Zipheir`: It does sound like a mess, unless I've misunderstood something.
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2018-08-05T21:43:16Z quipa: pjb: didn't quite understand your reference too me in this discussion
2018-08-05T21:43:28Z quipa: are you saying I like lock-in :P
2018-08-05T21:44:36Z quipa: if it helps clear up any misunderstandings as to lock-in I use Manjaro Linux
2018-08-05T21:44:53Z quipa: I have trouble even with Ubuntu
2018-08-05T21:45:45Z quipa: hell I would write my own OS if I could
2018-08-05T21:46:25Z quipa: and writing my own language for writing my own OS
2018-08-05T21:46:29Z quipa: if you get the jist
2018-08-05T21:46:35Z pjb: quipa: I was saying that you wanted reader macros.
2018-08-05T21:47:00Z quipa: well I don't even know what a reader macro is sorry (well not yet I don't)
2018-08-05T21:47:09Z pjb: You can write your OS in lisp. (there are several examples). there's no need for a new language.
2018-08-05T21:47:27Z quipa: well lisp isn't a single language is it now :P
2018-08-05T21:47:38Z pjb: There are people who wrote their own OSes, and then they thought about writing their own language to rewrite their own OS, and they never completed either.
2018-08-05T21:47:49Z quipa: that's fine with me
2018-08-05T21:48:12Z pjb: If you understand lisp, you realize that you don't need a new language. Just write new macros.
2018-08-05T21:48:18Z quipa: even if I didn't have success I am sure it's worth the experience
2018-08-05T21:48:23Z pjb: Sure.
2018-08-05T21:48:28Z quipa: macros are language de facto
2018-08-05T21:48:39Z quipa: so you are really writing new languages
2018-08-05T21:48:57Z pjb: exactly. But only the parts you need. You are reusing the rest of the language.
2018-08-05T21:49:33Z quipa: so for me writing a macro or a language is to be honest the same
2018-08-05T21:49:48Z quipa: a bit like you were talking about data and code
2018-08-05T21:50:03Z quipa: so by my own language
2018-08-05T21:50:06Z quipa: that's kind what I mean
2018-08-05T21:50:09Z pjb: Only a macro is one or two functions, a language is thousands of functions.
2018-08-05T21:50:18Z quipa: that's one of the reasons I am learning Scheme in the first palce
2018-08-05T21:50:39Z quipa: language is something you write with
2018-08-05T21:50:49Z quipa: plain and simple
2018-08-05T21:51:15Z quipa: and if you write with a different syntax and grammar well then it's at the least a dialect if not a different language
2018-08-05T21:52:12Z quipa: and from what I get isn't a interpret a reader?
2018-08-05T21:52:21Z quipa: so what's the problem with readers?
2018-08-05T21:53:01Z pjb: Readers are called to read the text into sexp by the read function.
2018-08-05T21:53:09Z pjb: (which is called by load or compile-file).
2018-08-05T21:53:31Z pjb: Macros are called to expand sexps into sexps by the eval or compile function.
2018-08-05T21:54:10Z quipa: read eval? what's the difference
2018-08-05T21:54:47Z pjb: if we have a repl = (loop (print (eval (read))))  and not a ssss (smurf (smurf (smurf (smurf)))) function, it's for a reason.
2018-08-05T21:55:22Z quipa: ok if you just want to say you think your smarter then me just say it in my face
2018-08-05T21:55:34Z pjb: read reads, eval evaluates.
2018-08-05T21:56:11Z pjb: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/docs-1.6/guile-ref/Scheme-Read.html#Scheme%20Read
2018-08-05T21:56:23Z pjb: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/docs-1.6/guile-ref/Fly-Evaluation.html#Fly%20Evaluation
2018-08-05T21:57:15Z quipa: so what's the problem with reader macros?
2018-08-05T21:57:24Z pjb: I see no problem with them.
2018-08-05T21:57:47Z pjb: You only have to know when they are called, and in what environment.
2018-08-05T21:59:06Z quipa: still don't get why you felt the need to mention me in the context above along with previous sentences mentioning Apple and Microsoft
2018-08-05T21:59:22Z quipa: feels like you were just poking fun at me
2018-08-05T21:59:42Z pjb: Because in scheme, reader macro are not standardized.  So if you use them in scheme, you lock yourself with a single scheme implementation.
2018-08-05T22:00:02Z pjb: Then if they decide to introduce bugs, or drop support on new OSes, or switch to commercial licenses, you're fucked.
2018-08-05T22:00:46Z pjb: On the other hand, in Common Lisp, they are standardized, and all CL implementation provide them. So your programs using reader macros work the same in all Cl implementation and you can change of implementation anytime you want for whatever reason you need to.
2018-08-05T22:00:52Z quipa: oh so you need a standard to feel safe
2018-08-05T22:01:10Z pjb: Foremost, you need several vendor providing the same API.
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2018-08-05T22:01:38Z quipa: you need a baazar not a cathedral
2018-08-05T22:02:08Z quipa: what you really need is open source code that's it
2018-08-05T22:02:16Z quipa: and a community
2018-08-05T22:02:19Z pjb: No, not really.
2018-08-05T22:02:20Z quipa: that's all!
2018-08-05T22:02:38Z pjb: The open source is nice, but it's costly: you don't always have the time and resources to maintain it.
2018-08-05T22:02:49Z quipa: that's why you need a community :)
2018-08-05T22:03:00Z quipa: and things are not static in communities
2018-08-05T22:03:01Z pjb: And the community is not helpful, not anymore than any other vendors: it goes in the direction it wants, not in the direction you need.
2018-08-05T22:03:19Z quipa: oh so you do want Microsoft and Apple?
2018-08-05T22:03:40Z quipa: I am guessing you don't use Linux then?
2018-08-05T22:03:41Z pjb: Big communities means a lot of changes, so it means that you need a lot of resources to keep track with them.
2018-08-05T22:03:45Z pjb: I use Linux.
2018-08-05T22:03:52Z quipa: and what is that but a community
2018-08-05T22:03:55Z quipa: ????
2018-08-05T22:04:20Z pjb: But each time you do an apt-get upgrade, you can count on things to break and a need for time and resources to correct your production servers.
2018-08-05T22:04:40Z quipa: well get red hat
2018-08-05T22:04:45Z quipa: if you want stability
2018-08-05T22:04:54Z pjb: Of course, the alternative is to keep your system running 5 years uptime without an upgrade.  With the security problems this may involve.
2018-08-05T22:04:57Z quipa: to be honest I rarely have that many problems
2018-08-05T22:05:07Z pjb: Because you're not doing much yet.
2018-08-05T22:05:10Z quipa: most of the problems I've had have to do with proprietary hardware
2018-08-05T22:05:19Z quipa: how really
2018-08-05T22:05:32Z quipa: how do you know that :P? because my projects are not on github hehe
2018-08-05T22:05:40Z pjb: Of course, it's orders of magnitude worse with proprietary stuff, but this is a fundamental problem.
2018-08-05T22:05:54Z quipa: it's a network problem nothing more
2018-08-05T22:05:58Z quipa: more people
2018-08-05T22:06:07Z quipa: more probability for statibility
2018-08-05T22:06:11Z quipa: but it's no guarantee
2018-08-05T22:06:18Z quipa: and a lot of good things started small
2018-08-05T22:06:21Z quipa: like UNIX
2018-08-05T22:06:23Z pjb: More people is only good when you're the boss of the GAFA. Then you can tell them what to do.
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2018-08-05T22:06:48Z quipa: I don;t really think you need a boss, you just need to sit down and try and agree on some things
2018-08-05T22:06:49Z pjb: You'd know it if you had already made several PR, and see how much time and resources it takes to have your contribution taken into account.
2018-08-05T22:07:15Z quipa: I've spent the last 4 days trying to get basic scheme features work on geany
2018-08-05T22:07:19Z quipa: check it out
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2018-08-05T22:07:34Z quipa: I mean basic
2018-08-05T22:07:38Z quipa: really basic
2018-08-05T22:08:05Z quipa: and I barely earn a minimum wage
2018-08-05T22:08:46Z quipa: I spent 5 days getting my Manjaro Linux distro setup too give you an idea, because sorry I can't afford to pay a "vendor" to set it up for me
2018-08-05T22:08:46Z wasamasa: geany, lol
2018-08-05T22:09:00Z quipa: yes geany, because I hate emacs and vim
2018-08-05T22:09:08Z quipa: to be honest I'd use gedit and that's it
2018-08-05T22:09:25Z quipa: but it doesn't have proper autocompletion
2018-08-05T22:09:39Z quipa: so yeah geany!
2018-08-05T22:11:04Z Zipheir`: pjb: How many Schemes implement reader macros, would you estimate?
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2018-08-05T22:14:40Z quipa: telling the community what to do, seriously... I mean why do you even use open source
2018-08-05T22:15:43Z Zipheir`: quipa: The point is that open-source development isn't a silver bullet.
2018-08-05T22:15:59Z quipa: sure it isn't but neither are "vendors"
2018-08-05T22:16:48Z quipa: and even with vendors you can't buy stability 100%
2018-08-05T22:17:01Z Zipheir`: quipa: Nobody claimed that in the above, from what I can seee.
2018-08-05T22:17:04Z Zipheir`: *see
2018-08-05T22:17:41Z daviid: hating emacs _and_ vim ... ?? haha
2018-08-05T22:17:53Z daviid: pjb: guile 1.6? we are at 2.2.4
2018-08-05T22:18:18Z quipa: yeah I mean if ctrl-c ctrl-v work for the rest of an os why shouldn't they for an editor
2018-08-05T22:18:21Z daviid: 1.6 is next to 20y old :)
2018-08-05T22:19:20Z quipa: if the whole system worked like emacs or vim I could still understand
2018-08-05T22:19:23Z pjb: Zipheir`: I don't know. There are a lot of scheme implementation, so it's probably a low percentage.  But there are a few major scheme implementation. So it may be more significant. But the problem is not the percentage, it's that each implementation can differ.
2018-08-05T22:19:23Z Zipheir`: Yeah, Guile 1.n is so old.
2018-08-05T22:19:56Z Zipheir`: pjb: Right.
2018-08-05T22:20:22Z pjb: This is the reason why I switched to CL. I couldn't learn scheme, because each time I tried to learn more scheme, I had a different computer and a different scheme implementation and I couldn't reuse what was learned earlier.  Only when I switched to CL I could start making progress, because each time, it was the same language.
2018-08-05T22:20:30Z Zipheir`: pjb: But that is a problem that Schemers deal with for a lot of useful things.
2018-08-05T22:21:21Z Zipheir`: pjb: I get it. I was a bit frustrated at first with the profusion of Schemes.
2018-08-05T22:21:21Z pjb: We already have a lot of such problems to deal with in CL, for all the things that are not standardized.   We'll see with r7rs, but if reader macros are not standardized in it, I wonder, how complete it is…
2018-08-05T22:22:00Z aeth: #scheme is in practice mostly for academic/learning or for the rnrs standard or for implementers
2018-08-05T22:22:12Z aeth: There isn't really one Scheme language, it's a language family with a standard core at this point.
2018-08-05T22:22:27Z Zipheir`: pjb: Lots of statements are of the form "if x is not standardized in it, I wonder how complete it is." :)
2018-08-05T22:22:30Z aeth: Real work's done in Racket or Guile or Chicken etc.
2018-08-05T22:23:04Z pjb: Yes, in specific implementations. See above what I think of that.
2018-08-05T22:23:05Z quipa: I am using Racket to be honest for the "real" work
2018-08-05T22:23:28Z quipa: Looking at scheme more out of interest
2018-08-05T22:23:52Z quipa: and because common lisp sounds like a big mess
2018-08-05T22:25:10Z Zipheir`: There's still a lot of value in knowing the standard core of Scheme.
2018-08-05T22:25:21Z aeth: quipa: The only real mess with Common Lisp is the community's unwillingness to have a new standard (using weak excuses like claiming that an expensive standard through a standards body is the only way to go) despite it being more needed every year.
2018-08-05T22:26:15Z aeth: Common Lisp had a 5+ year head start on most other languages. The standard was in 1994.
2018-08-05T22:27:40Z pjb: More, you can make things evolve by writing libraries.  There's no really a need for new language-level specifications.
2018-08-05T22:27:48Z Zipheir`: And, re: the previous discussion, telling people to _only_ program in RnRS Scheme is pure trolling.
2018-08-05T22:28:55Z quipa: My take if it is worth anything is scheme should be a kernel language that can be built upon
2018-08-05T22:29:18Z pjb: Zipheir`: the point being that you can use different implementation to run your programs only if they stick to rnrs (+ the common srfis).
2018-08-05T22:29:33Z wasamasa: switching implementations is a purely academical concern
2018-08-05T22:30:03Z pjb: In scheme, yes.  Not in CL.  And this is why I prefer CL.
2018-08-05T22:30:11Z wasamasa: yes, in scheme
2018-08-05T22:30:18Z wasamasa: remind me, what channel are we in again?
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2018-08-05T22:30:38Z quipa: kind of get know why PLT Scheme changed it's name to Racket
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2018-08-05T22:34:29Z Zipheir`: quipa: In a sense, all languages are like that. Lisps are really good 'kernels' though, because they're programmable languages.
2018-08-05T22:35:16Z quipa: yup that's the general feeling I got, and kind of why I decided to look at scheme to understand Lisp dialects better
2018-08-05T22:35:39Z quipa: I mean Racket as a whole is a bit much to take in one go
2018-08-05T22:35:54Z quipa: Scheme feels way simpler too think about
2018-08-05T22:36:03Z aeth: wasamasa: The advantage of CL is that the fastest implementations with the most helpful compiler output won, not ones with the largest ecosystem because libraries are largely portable (even if there are at least a dozen portability libraries to cover de facto standards that are not in The Standard)
2018-08-05T22:36:09Z quipa: I was surprised how condensed R5RS was
2018-08-05T22:36:17Z aeth: wasamasa: I'm not sure dismissing disadvantages of Scheme just because it's #scheme is a good idea
2018-08-05T22:36:28Z Zipheir`: quipa: Yeah, maybe start writing standard Scheme in Racket, then branch out.
2018-08-05T22:36:55Z Zipheir`: Heretics can shove off to #lisp :D
2018-08-05T22:37:01Z quipa: you can still run R5RS in DrRacket
2018-08-05T22:37:06Z quipa: and they even distribute
2018-08-05T22:37:23Z quipa: they still distribute I think is the better word
2018-08-05T22:37:26Z quipa: plt-r5rs
2018-08-05T22:37:50Z quipa: they also have plt-r6rs
2018-08-05T22:38:28Z quipa: I kind of get what it was used as a uni language
2018-08-05T22:38:38Z quipa: wish I had learnt it instead of Python
2018-08-05T22:38:38Z Zipheir`: quipa: R6RS is like the Matrix sequals :)
2018-08-05T22:38:45Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-05T22:38:52Z aeth: Ideally r7rs-large would be large enough that you could get to the dozens of portability library point, which is the current state of CL.
2018-08-05T22:39:04Z aeth: You'd probably need reader macros for portable syntax, though
2018-08-05T22:39:39Z Zipheir`: Hmm.
2018-08-05T22:39:40Z aeth: (Dozens of portability libraries is not ideal, but it makes it possible to use uiop, closer-mop, bordeaux-threads, cffi, etc., and actually be able to put together a large, portable application)
2018-08-05T22:40:30Z aeth: (Although in practice I only try to support three implementations, SBCL, CCL, and ECL. CL portability doesn't go far enough.)
2018-08-05T22:42:13Z aeth: (ABCL, CLISP, and CMUCL are hard to support, and the rest are incomplete or cost an arm and a leg, possibly literally.)
2018-08-05T22:42:42Z aeth: (The problem with those three is that CMUCL is 32-bit and the other two are not quite 64-bit.)
2018-08-05T22:43:50Z aeth: (I'll probably try to get imperial-airship-scheme to run in SBCL and CCL and maybe ECL and then call it a win.)
2018-08-05T22:45:49Z Zipheir`: aeth: I'm glad you're keeping the name.
2018-08-05T22:46:17Z aeth: Zipheir`: The only concern is where I originally discovered it. I found the source to be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13854921 where someone says 'Also, this makes me want to implement a new dialect of scheme just so I can name it "Imperial Airship Scheme."'
2018-08-05T22:46:57Z aeth: Afaik there was no follow up by anyone so the name is OK to use
2018-08-05T22:47:18Z pjb: There was a Scheme implementation on Palm OS called LispMe.  You could make a MiniMe scheme implementation now…
2018-08-05T22:47:45Z Zipheir`: aeth: A quick search doesn't return anything lisp-related. You're probably fine.
2018-08-05T22:48:28Z Zipheir`: pjb: I'd call it SchMe
2018-08-05T22:48:34Z Zipheir`: Sorry, ScheMe
2018-08-05T22:48:35Z aeth: Zipheir`: Until I'm accused of trying to revive the British Empire (That's very incorrect. I want to revive the Byzantine Empire.)
2018-08-05T22:49:18Z Zipheir`: aeth: Hah, talk about being accused of weird linguistic imperialism.
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2018-08-06T00:31:10Z siraben: Zipheir`: Hey
2018-08-06T00:35:01Z Zipheir`: Hey siraben, how goes it?
2018-08-06T00:35:12Z siraben: Zipheir`: It goes well.
2018-08-06T00:35:29Z siraben: I'm reading parts of the the TikZ manual for inspiration on how to implement a Scheme -> TikZ compiler
2018-08-06T00:35:53Z siraben: It'd be cool to use the examples from SICP and have it work as LaTeX code to embed in a PDF.
2018-08-06T00:36:14Z Zipheir`: You mentioned that last night (or <time of day>, whatever). Sounds like a cool project.
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2018-08-06T00:37:11Z Zipheir`: Sounds a little bit like Gloss (I think that's what it's called), the Haskell graphics package.
2018-08-06T00:37:23Z Zipheir`: ... which is a lot like the SICP picture language.
2018-08-06T00:37:50Z Zipheir`: siraben: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/gloss
2018-08-06T00:37:58Z siraben: How am I supposed to upload an image now imgur is overloaded
2018-08-06T00:38:17Z siraben: Oh no it's not.... they're passively blocking Tor users, sneaky.
2018-08-06T00:38:26Z siraben: s/passively/actively
2018-08-06T00:38:29Z Zipheir`: Imgur hasn't been a serious image hosting service for a while. It's more like image-facebook.
2018-08-06T00:38:44Z siraben: https://imgur.com/a/7NGzZJD
2018-08-06T00:38:53Z siraben: This was from the texdoc
2018-08-06T00:39:08Z siraben: So I'll try something simple like the \draw macros
2018-08-06T00:39:34Z Zipheir`: Seems to be an empty image?
2018-08-06T00:39:55Z siraben: Direct link https://i.imgur.com/NapfX7m.png
2018-08-06T00:40:15Z siraben: Strange the direct link and the imgur page are diferent
2018-08-06T00:40:25Z siraben: Anyway you see the \draw directives?
2018-08-06T00:40:34Z Zipheir`: Yes.
2018-08-06T00:41:01Z siraben: It's the format \draw[<attributes here>] (x1,y1) <what to draw> (x2, y2)
2018-08-06T00:41:18Z Zipheir`: Sure, that's pretty clear.
2018-08-06T00:41:21Z siraben: But I should really use a pattern matcher for this DSL
2018-08-06T00:41:38Z siraben: What are some good pattern matching macros for Scheme?
2018-08-06T00:42:05Z siraben: There's Oleg's https://www.cs.indiana.edu/cgi-pub/lkuper/c311/_media/pmatch.scm , I guess
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2018-08-06T00:43:00Z Zipheir`: There are a few different ones, it depends what your implementation provides. CHICKEN uses the Andrew Wright flavor: https://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/matchable
2018-08-06T00:43:12Z siraben: I use Guile
2018-08-06T00:43:27Z siraben: Oh it's a module
2018-08-06T00:43:27Z siraben: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pattern-Matching.html
2018-08-06T00:43:55Z Zipheir`: Oh, that's also Wright-style.
2018-08-06T00:44:01Z siraben: Wright style?
2018-08-06T00:44:35Z Zipheir`: From this paper: http://download.plt-scheme.org/doc/103p1/pdf/match.pdf
2018-08-06T00:45:00Z Zipheir`: It's pretty much the same thing CHICKEN's matchable egg provides.
2018-08-06T00:45:05Z daviid: siraben: (ice-9 match)
2018-08-06T00:45:27Z Zipheir`: brb, coffee time
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2018-08-06T00:46:50Z siraben: daviid: Yep.  Just loaded the modules
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2018-08-06T00:47:17Z siraben: I should also learn how to use `define-record-type' instead of carrying data as lists
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2018-08-06T00:54:47Z Zipheir`: Woo, (define coffee 'good)
2018-08-06T00:55:48Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I like define-record-type a lot. I go back and forth on the getter/setter thing, but it's good overall.
2018-08-06T00:57:03Z siraben: I'm reading the SRFI on it now
2018-08-06T00:57:31Z siraben: Zipheir`: This paper was pretty interesting: http://scheme2016.snow-fort.org/static/schemeworkshop2016-miniadapton.pdf
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2018-08-06T00:58:15Z Zipheir`: mini-adapton?!
2018-08-06T00:58:44Z siraben: Yeah, what about it?
2018-08-06T00:59:37Z Zipheir`: Very interesting stuff, ty.
2018-08-06T01:00:09Z siraben: Memoization + mutation!
2018-08-06T01:00:24Z siraben: Haskellers can pry mutation from my cold dead fingers.
2018-08-06T01:00:25Z Zipheir`: A weird idea whose time has come?
2018-08-06T01:00:28Z Zipheir`: Hah
2018-08-06T01:00:37Z Zipheir`: With the Pry monad.
2018-08-06T01:00:48Z siraben: Time has come to die or be used?
2018-08-06T01:01:58Z Zipheir`: To be used. That's usually what people mean by that idiom, but it might be peculiar to UK-USA speakers.
2018-08-06T01:02:20Z siraben: Well I've heard "the time has come" to mean a wide variety of things depending on the context
2018-08-06T01:02:34Z siraben: Hm ok
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2018-08-06T01:03:03Z siraben: I saw it used `define-record-type' to make the code much cleaner
2018-08-06T01:03:39Z Zipheir`: Memo-mutation?
2018-08-06T01:05:01Z siraben: Are universities still teaching Scheme or have they jumped ship to Python?
2018-08-06T01:06:19Z Riastradh: There's plenty of mutation in Haskell.  It is limited to where the types mark it as a possibility, so wherever it's not marked you're guaranteed it can't happen.
2018-08-06T01:06:26Z Zipheir`: siraben: Not sure if you're into music, but there's a fascinating system implemented in Haskell, Haskore/Euterpea that's very much like the SICP picture language with musical values. It's a compositional approach to music, forgive the pun.
2018-08-06T01:06:40Z Zipheir`: siraben: _Long_ presentation of it here: http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/HSoM.pdf
2018-08-06T01:06:44Z siraben: Zipheir`: Yeah I'm into music, I play the piano myself.
2018-08-06T01:06:48Z siraben: Oh the Haskell School of Music
2018-08-06T01:06:53Z Zipheir`: siraben: I would _love_ to try to get that into Scheme.
2018-08-06T01:06:54Z siraben: I have the PDF but haven't read it yet lol
2018-08-06T01:07:05Z siraben: Did it ever become a course?
2018-08-06T01:07:17Z Zipheir`: Maybe at Yale?
2018-08-06T01:08:23Z Zipheir`: It's a good book, though he tries to teach Haskell, music _and_ his library at the same time, which is too much.
2018-08-06T01:08:52Z Zipheir`: siraben: Oh, cool, you're a pianist.
2018-08-06T01:09:06Z siraben: I don't know how the FP + Music thing would work
2018-08-06T01:09:14Z siraben: I see the idea of compositionality
2018-08-06T01:09:20Z siraben: Building up larger things from smaller things
2018-08-06T01:09:30Z siraben: So it should be an interesting read.
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2018-08-06T01:10:24Z siraben: Unfortunately Paul Hudak died a couple of years ago
2018-08-06T01:10:31Z siraben: Just found out, sad.
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2018-08-06T01:10:58Z Zipheir`: Aw, that's too bad.
2018-08-06T01:11:39Z siraben: Can we have FP languages that work in an embedded context?
2018-08-06T01:11:53Z siraben: Maybe they don't mix, because in embedded you need to be efficient and sometimes that involves dirty hacks
2018-08-06T01:12:02Z siraben: But a good compiler should be able to figure out those hacks.
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2018-08-06T01:16:35Z Zipheir`: siraben: FP + music: You could play three C major triad quarter notes with (music-duplicate 3 (duration 4 (music-simul note-c4 note-e4 note-g4))), imagining a Scheme system for this sort of thing.
2018-08-06T01:17:15Z siraben: So of course with concurrency
2018-08-06T01:17:30Z Zipheir`: (where music-duplicate is just a fold, of course)
2018-08-06T01:17:40Z siraben: Zipheir`: By the way, how do I do concurrent computation in Scheme?
2018-08-06T01:17:51Z siraben: SICP had an intro to it, was that a good resource?
2018-08-06T01:18:00Z JohnnyL: I was thinking of converting cl-sdl2 to s7 scheme, but before I do, has it been done before?
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2018-08-06T01:18:08Z Zipheir`: Actually, that's my least favorite part of SICP!
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2018-08-06T01:18:31Z siraben: Zipheir`: How come it's your least favorite?
2018-08-06T01:18:40Z siraben: Wasn't even in the lectures too
2018-08-06T01:19:27Z Zipheir`: I feel like they sort of crammed it in to the new edition because someone bugged them to do it. It's not very long, and it mainly makes concurrency look horrible.
2018-08-06T01:20:12Z siraben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwWL8Y-qsJg
2018-08-06T01:20:51Z Zipheir`: They don't mention CSP or any other approaches to concurrency, and barely explain threads.
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2018-08-06T01:21:07Z siraben: The call/cc wiki used call/cc (lol) to implement coroutines
2018-08-06T01:21:15Z siraben: or cooperative threads I think
2018-08-06T01:21:39Z Zipheir`: Oh yes, that piece gets stuck in my head frequently, in part thanks to SICP :D
2018-08-06T01:21:41Z siraben: http://community.schemewiki.org/?call-with-current-continuation
2018-08-06T01:22:02Z siraben: SICP was filmed so well!  It really was a joy to watch
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2018-08-06T01:22:19Z siraben: More lectures should be like this, and have some theme song as well.
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2018-08-06T01:24:20Z Zipheir`: Oh, re: the music thing, you only need concurrency for interactive implementations. You can compile music expressions to CSound code, which in turn gets "compiled" to audio. :)
2018-08-06T01:24:36Z siraben: What about compiling to MIDI?
2018-08-06T01:25:04Z Zipheir`: Well, MIDI totally sucks, but sure :)
2018-08-06T01:25:34Z siraben: There was this crazy IOCCC thing that emitted sound
2018-08-06T01:26:47Z siraben: http://www.ioccc.org/2018/algmyr/
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2018-08-06T01:27:16Z siraben: So one could in principle write to the sound device
2018-08-06T01:27:29Z Zipheir`: Award: most cacophonic :)
2018-08-06T01:27:31Z siraben: Zipheir`: Oh this topic reminds of me a SIGBOVIK paper I read
2018-08-06T01:27:54Z siraben: Zipheir`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA_DrBwkiJA :)
2018-08-06T01:28:16Z siraben: Writing a x86 executable with only printable ASCII characters
2018-08-06T01:28:41Z Zipheir`: Wow.
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2018-08-06T01:29:13Z siraben: I don't wanna spoil it at the end, but it's musical!
2018-08-06T01:29:25Z Zipheir`: I will watch it.
2018-08-06T01:29:32Z Zipheir`: BTW, there's also http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/
2018-08-06T01:29:49Z Zipheir`: Super bare-metal music :)
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2018-08-06T01:30:37Z siraben: I've seen these!
2018-08-06T01:30:46Z siraben: Super cool, I have no idea how they work.
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2018-08-06T01:31:50Z Zipheir`: You're just writing raw PCM to stdout. Doing it all with bitshifts is just being stylish.
2018-08-06T01:32:05Z siraben: Zipheir`: Doesn't work on macOS :()
2018-08-06T01:32:08Z siraben: :(
2018-08-06T01:32:15Z siraben: Oops electric-pair-mode was on in emacs
2018-08-06T01:32:24Z Zipheir`: lol
2018-08-06T01:32:47Z siraben: Do this in Scheme
2018-08-06T01:33:10Z Zipheir`: I tried to write a few. It's really hard to predict what the code will sound like.
2018-08-06T01:33:24Z siraben: How do they make it?
2018-08-06T01:34:04Z siraben: On the topic of crazy small obfuscated programs that are mind-blowing, see https://www.dwitter.net/
2018-08-06T01:36:06Z Zipheir`: Those are cool. I guess it's possible to get a lot out of a small amount of JS, given how much you have to play with.
2018-08-06T01:37:10Z siraben: IOCCC javascript edition
2018-08-06T01:37:15Z siraben: IOJSC lol
2018-08-06T01:38:03Z Zipheir`: Funny, since there are a lot of people who specialize in obfuscating JS for business purposes.
2018-08-06T01:38:14Z siraben: "Business purposes"
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2018-08-06T01:38:26Z Zipheir`: s/business/bullshit/
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2018-08-06T01:45:51Z Zipheir`: siraben: If you do start work on that Scheme-Tikz language, post a repo link. I'd be interesting in contributing, if there's anything I can do to help.
2018-08-06T01:46:06Z Zipheir`: Scheme + Tikz = Stikz?
2018-08-06T01:47:09Z Zipheir`: Oops, *interested
2018-08-06T01:47:41Z siraben: Zipheir`: Of course.
2018-08-06T01:47:46Z siraben: Haha, Stikz would be a good name
2018-08-06T01:47:55Z siraben: Pronounced "sticks"
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2018-08-06T01:52:21Z siraben: Zipheir`: ZIp https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/12599/recreation-of-piet-mondrian-composition/109433#109433
2018-08-06T01:52:30Z siraben: See the TikZ answer
2018-08-06T01:55:19Z Zipheir`: Very nice. The Tikz stuff is certainly more readable than SVG.
2018-08-06T01:55:59Z Zipheir`: Oh wow, someone on that thread did Broadway Boogie Woogie is some kind of BASIC.
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2018-08-06T02:08:14Z siraben: Zipheir`: Disconnected for a bit because Emacs lagged so bad when I opened the paper.txt file lol
2018-08-06T02:08:20Z siraben: I suspect it was trying to wrap lines
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2018-08-06T02:10:39Z Zipheir`: Was that the paper from that YouTube video?
2018-08-06T02:11:26Z siraben: Zipheir`: yes haha
2018-08-06T02:11:32Z siraben: So I'm viewing it in Firefox instead
2018-08-06T02:13:36Z siraben: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/abc/paper.txt
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2018-08-06T02:16:12Z Zipheir`: Wow. This looks like a transcript of radio crosstalk. :)
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2018-08-06T02:19:32Z siraben:  http://www.sigbovik.org/ fun stuff
2018-08-06T02:22:05Z Zipheir`: "Operational Semantics of Chevy Tahoes"
2018-08-06T02:22:27Z siraben: Can't find that paper :(
2018-08-06T02:22:57Z Zipheir`: It's not a paper, it's just one of their 'topics of interest'. I wonder if this is just a 9front side project :D
2018-08-06T02:23:13Z siraben: It's held annually at CMU
2018-08-06T02:23:37Z siraben: Their proceedings, haha! http://www.sigbovik.org/2018/proceedings.pdf
2018-08-06T02:23:55Z Zipheir`: Hah, I'm actually close enough to attend.
2018-08-06T02:27:39Z Zipheir`: Some of those papers are pretty substantial, despite the wackiness.
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2018-08-06T06:01:46Z rudybot: Mighty tasty cereal flakes, Mrs. McDonough.
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2018-08-06T06:15:17Z siraben: Isn't rudybot written in Racket lol
2018-08-06T06:15:23Z siraben: ,die
2018-08-06T06:15:32Z siraben: Oh wait this isn't the emacs bot -_-
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2018-08-06T12:22:30Z sammecs: Aye aye! Quick question: When you have a list (1 2 3), how do you call a function which just expects multiple arguments, say, max?
2018-08-06T12:22:57Z sammecs: (max (1 2 3)) doesn't work for me (guile scheme)
2018-08-06T12:23:21Z ecraven: (apply max '(1 2 3))
2018-08-06T12:24:09Z sammecs: Sweet, thanks. Now, the opposite: How do I get the results of, say (euclidean/ 12 5) into a list?
2018-08-06T12:24:45Z ecraven: (let-values ((x (euclidean/ 12 5))) x)
2018-08-06T12:24:53Z ecraven: depending on your exact Scheme this might work or not
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2018-08-06T12:29:10Z ecraven: let-values just expands into call-with-values, that's fine
2018-08-06T12:29:23Z ecraven: let-values is r7rs, many Schemes don't have it (yet)
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2018-08-06T13:44:56Z ecraven: ah, sorry, my r6rs knowledge is really bad :-/
2018-08-06T13:46:39Z gwatt: no worries. Some people seem to want to forget r6rs anwyay. :-p
2018-08-06T13:47:08Z ecraven: hehe, I'm definitely guilty of not having paid it much attention so far :-/
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2018-08-06T18:12:04Z f8l: quipa: Have you heard about CUA mode? And did you know that you can enable Emacs-like (or, rather, read-line–like) bindings in GTK-based applications with a single line of configuration?
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2018-08-06T18:16:55Z quipa: never heard of CUA (sounds useful but still not enough convinced about Emacs), to be honest I am not sure I would want Emacs-like applications :P but out of curiosity what is this single line of configuration?
2018-08-06T18:17:58Z amz31: quipa: you might not be aware that use use emacs-like bindings because readline is pervasive library
2018-08-06T18:18:08Z amz31: s/use/you use/
2018-08-06T18:18:41Z f8l: quipa: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"
2018-08-06T18:18:43Z amz31: they been fighting for it, i read some old history about it's great success
2018-08-06T18:19:49Z quipa: in what config file :P?
2018-08-06T18:19:59Z quipa: fair enough, can you give an example of emacs-like bindings
2018-08-06T18:21:10Z quipa: I mean my only bother with emacs and vim is they are just to different from what I am used to doing, and I've used Mac OS (think 7 all the way to Snow Leopard), Windows (95 all the way to 10) and Linux (bunch of different distros)
2018-08-06T18:21:28Z quipa: So I don;t mind learning some different things
2018-08-06T18:21:35Z quipa: just don't make it feel to alien
2018-08-06T18:21:55Z f8l: quipa: As far as I know, Macs use read-line–like bindings. :-Þ
2018-08-06T18:22:10Z quipa: but what is that for you?
2018-08-06T18:22:19Z f8l: quipa: As for the config file, it depends on the version of GTK. I think you can find it yourself.
2018-08-06T18:22:23Z quipa: I have no idea what read-line-like bindings
2018-08-06T18:22:33Z quipa: are
2018-08-06T18:22:43Z quipa: sorry for the ignorance :P
2018-08-06T18:23:43Z quipa: I mean with vim the other day I think I tried gvim and I couldn't use backspace, had to type some command to use it
2018-08-06T18:24:11Z f8l: We are drifting too far away from the topic.
2018-08-06T18:24:25Z quipa: I don't mind discussing over at emacs or vim
2018-08-06T18:25:22Z quipa: I just find it hard to justify having to learn emacs or vim, maybe I will some time in the future and I might change my mind
2018-08-06T18:25:44Z quipa: but to be honest the time trade-off seems to high for what is basically just writing code
2018-08-06T18:26:08Z quipa: I mean I'd rather learn how Linux kernel works then learn how emacs works :P
2018-08-06T18:26:35Z quipa: and vim for the matter
2018-08-06T18:26:55Z quipa: to be honest I only look for two things when editing code
2018-08-06T18:27:04Z quipa: syntax highlight and autocompletion
2018-08-06T18:27:06Z quipa: that's about it
2018-08-06T18:27:31Z quipa: fancy copy pasting and multi line editing is useful but not essential for me
2018-08-06T18:27:32Z f8l: quipa: As amz31 already wrote, you probably know some of it without knowing. Read the ‘editing commands’ section of readline(3) to get some examples.
2018-08-06T18:28:33Z f8l: They work in many shells by default, so you can try them out easily.
2018-08-06T18:28:57Z amz31: Ctrl+x Ctrl+e is the more complex thing I know from readline
2018-08-06T18:29:09Z quipa: to be honest think I use up and down key and tab and that's about it
2018-08-06T18:29:14Z amz31: try it in most terminal
2018-08-06T18:29:28Z amz31: quipa: no ctrl, no alt?
2018-08-06T18:29:30Z quipa: and ctrl+shift+c
2018-08-06T18:29:36Z amz31: what does that do?
2018-08-06T18:29:36Z quipa: ctrl+shift+V
2018-08-06T18:29:41Z amz31: oh ok
2018-08-06T18:29:46Z amz31: windows user?
2018-08-06T18:29:58Z quipa: don't think I use much more then that I think
2018-08-06T18:30:04Z quipa: no Linux Manjaro :P
2018-08-06T18:30:14Z quipa: I hate windows
2018-08-06T18:30:22Z amz31: quipa: well you do hold Ctrl+arrow to jump around word, don't you?
2018-08-06T18:30:24Z quipa: I only use it when people make me
2018-08-06T18:30:48Z quipa: sure and home and end but any decent text editor has that
2018-08-06T18:31:01Z quipa: why should I use emacs for that :P
2018-08-06T18:31:04Z InPhase: quipa: vim is different specifically because those differences speed code editing.
2018-08-06T18:31:28Z amz31: Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V are cross platfrom even if MacOS use the command instead of ctrl IIRC
2018-08-06T18:31:32Z InPhase: quipa: It definitely has a hurdle to cross in learning it, but that hurdle pays huge rewards if you are someone who intends to spend a lifetime editing source code.
2018-08-06T18:31:33Z quipa: look it's like I said I am sure I would appreciate vim and emacs more if I learnt both
2018-08-06T18:32:11Z InPhase: quipa: So adapting to vim is essentially an investment of slower progress for a week or two in exchange for years of accelerated editing.
2018-08-06T18:32:17Z amz31: I disagree with InPhase but  I agree that you must know that you don't know vim and emacs for that matter
2018-08-06T18:32:55Z quipa: like I said maybe once I get into a big project I am sure it can help
2018-08-06T18:33:10Z quipa: but I mostly write things that are very very rarely bigger then 1000 LOC
2018-08-06T18:33:19Z f8l wonders if there is a channel for editor wars…
2018-08-06T18:33:20Z quipa: and typing helps me think
2018-08-06T18:33:25Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T18:33:31Z InPhase: f8l: There are many!
2018-08-06T18:33:57Z quipa: it reminds me of this article I read on BSD
2018-08-06T18:34:10Z quipa: I mean I can understand the argument for emacs and vim
2018-08-06T18:34:23Z quipa: the only thing I am against
2018-08-06T18:34:34Z f8l: InPhase: And then they argue over which one of them to use? So there is a channel for editor-war–channel–war?
2018-08-06T18:34:49Z quipa: is that I am not sure if learning emacs or vim makes you better at learning much of anything else
2018-08-06T18:35:45Z f8l: quipa: I would say it made me think differently. Not as much as learning functional programming, but these two experiences are somewhat comparable.
2018-08-06T18:36:00Z amz31: quipa: that's about habbits, we adapt to our habbits and perform similarly, but look at the keyboard, it requires more use :]
2018-08-06T18:36:36Z amz31: quipa: it opens the mind to something different and safe.
2018-08-06T18:36:52Z quipa: emacs?
2018-08-06T18:37:02Z amz31: it's like if you make a mistake you only have to type Ctrl+_ ... ahem ... I mean Ctrl+Z
2018-08-06T18:37:03Z quipa: I mind besides the lisp
2018-08-06T18:37:21Z InPhase: quipa: I don't think learning a powerful text editor significantly changes the way you think about programming.  It's mostly about getting the editor out of your way so that your thoughts can more efficiently manifest in a source code file.
2018-08-06T18:37:29Z f8l: Yeah… Most people adapt to the environment. I prefer to adapt (digital/virtual) environments to myself.
2018-08-06T18:37:59Z quipa: Lets put it this way
2018-08-06T18:38:06Z InPhase: quipa: When you're trying to program, you don't want to be thinking much about data entry.  You want to be focused on the relationships between things like functions and data.
2018-08-06T18:38:25Z quipa: I'd rather learn how to build a new editor then learn emacs/vim :P
2018-08-06T18:38:52Z quipa: well typing helps me think :P
2018-08-06T18:39:09Z quipa: I mean I know I learn code much better when I type it out then when I just read it
2018-08-06T18:39:38Z amz31: f8l: well said
2018-08-06T18:39:39Z f8l: An editor will not magically start writing code for you to read (just yet).
2018-08-06T18:40:01Z InPhase: quipa: Well you could.  But it'd be a good idea to familiarize yourself with editors first to get a sense for why those two editors, with their apparent difficulty in being learned, have become so popular among programmers.  There is clearly a reason for it which would help guide you in the design of other editors.
2018-08-06T18:40:25Z amz31: quipa: agreed, then you are on the path of fast coder, but speed can be increase with vim and emacs or tilling window managers
2018-08-06T18:40:47Z amz31: quipa: typing code to express oneself, is a gift but the act of typing is pain.
2018-08-06T18:41:11Z quipa: sure but no pain no gain haha
2018-08-06T18:41:26Z f8l: There is useful pain and useless pain.
2018-08-06T18:41:30Z quipa: sure
2018-08-06T18:42:40Z quipa: learning how to program an editor by looking at emacs or vim sounds like learning how to code a interpreter by looking at C (vs scheme) :P
2018-08-06T18:43:08Z quipa: I think I'd appreciate emacs and vim more by learning to program a vanilla editor
2018-08-06T18:43:14Z quipa: and then looking at emacs and vim
2018-08-06T18:43:22Z amz31: quipa: think about it the future is not visual thinking... the future is typed code
2018-08-06T18:43:32Z quipa: I mean that's one reason why I started looking at scheme to learn racket
2018-08-06T18:43:53Z amz31: quipa: I have small scheme editor if you want to read
2018-08-06T18:43:58Z quipa: hehe sure
2018-08-06T18:44:09Z quipa: send me a link, is it in scheme /lisp :D?
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2018-08-06T18:44:29Z amz31: quipa: https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/azul.scm#L333
2018-08-06T18:44:31Z amz31: ofc
2018-08-06T18:44:41Z quipa: cool :)
2018-08-06T18:44:42Z amz31: quipa: do you want me to present a little bit how it's structured?
2018-08-06T18:45:13Z quipa: sure let's go for a spin
2018-08-06T18:45:14Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T18:45:22Z amz31: no, I let you do it?
2018-08-06T18:45:32Z amz31: it's will be better i think for learning purpose
2018-08-06T18:46:14Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T18:46:19Z quipa: ok yeah probably right
2018-08-06T18:46:24Z quipa: it looks really nice to read
2018-08-06T18:46:53Z quipa: man was trying to find this essay on BSD Windows and easy use
2018-08-06T18:47:03Z quipa: was a lot along the lines of what we are talking
2018-08-06T18:47:09Z quipa: and it kind of agrees with you guys
2018-08-06T18:47:28Z quipa: I mean if we make the analogy BSD -> Emacs/vim and Windows -> notepad
2018-08-06T18:47:39Z quipa: thought I had a bookmark
2018-08-06T18:48:03Z amz31: the dispatch procedure is a giant 'switch' like statment that binds keyboard events to the editors commands, it's where is handled all input. https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/azul.scm#L297
2018-08-06T18:48:32Z amz31: most handlers of events, if not all, have a ! because they mutate a global state
2018-08-06T18:48:56Z amz31: I don't remember why I did this like that, a clue is that termbox API is very easy
2018-08-06T18:49:02Z amz31: I should have started with that!
2018-08-06T18:49:13Z quipa: yeah noticed that
2018-08-06T18:49:46Z amz31: the interesting stuff is main, that's where is the LOOP
2018-08-06T18:49:48Z amz31: https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/azul.scm#L321
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2018-08-06T18:50:48Z amz31: well, it calls at the end dispatch, which will call event handler, which will mutate the global state of the editor and the loop will continue with the tb-fu for termbox-fu and ... 'RENDER'
2018-08-06T18:50:58Z amz31: well I think i made a mistake everything should be in render
2018-08-06T18:51:07Z amz31: anyway, render is the other important part
2018-08-06T18:51:37Z amz31: it use termbox API to setup the terminal sceen look
2018-08-06T18:52:17Z amz31: and the api is (terminal-character-set! pos-x pos-y color-background color-foreground)
2018-08-06T18:52:23Z amz31: almost that look at https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/azul.scm#L257
2018-08-06T18:52:49Z amz31: L271 you have: (tb-change-cell (- x (view-x)) (- y (view-y)) char color TB-DEFAULT)))))
2018-08-06T18:53:07Z amz31: that the first procedure of the API
2018-08-06T18:53:16Z quipa: ok
2018-08-06T18:53:48Z amz31: the second and last procedure is tb-poll-event that is used in the dispatch procedure that I started with https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/azul.scm#L298
2018-08-06T18:54:00Z amz31: that poll keyboard events
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2018-08-06T18:54:48Z quipa: hum ok!
2018-08-06T18:55:05Z quipa: looks really nice and straightforward :)
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2018-08-06T18:55:39Z amz31: the other important dependency, is extracted from Purely Functional DataStructures, it implements the famous "buffer" or "editor content" if you prefer sometime called slope
2018-08-06T18:55:47Z amz31: termbox is simple
2018-08-06T18:55:56Z amz31: then the buffer procedures are more numerous
2018-08-06T18:56:15Z quipa: ok
2018-08-06T18:56:19Z amz31: they allow to slice around the text and insert / delete stuff efficiently will keeping the history around
2018-08-06T18:56:32Z amz31: the editing history
2018-08-06T18:56:47Z quipa: okay? so undo redo?
2018-08-06T18:56:54Z quipa: that kind of stuff?
2018-08-06T18:56:54Z amz31: that said, if you run right the editor, you don't have a key bindings for Cancel action
2018-08-06T18:57:04Z amz31: it's possible to implement it
2018-08-06T18:57:45Z amz31: yes undo redo, is done in smart way using that fingertrees datastructure
2018-08-06T18:58:02Z amz31: it's immutable
2018-08-06T18:58:15Z quipa: ah nice
2018-08-06T18:58:35Z amz31: the tests are for the buffer I am talkign about https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/tests.scm
2018-08-06T18:59:36Z amz31: for instance the last test, is used to implement ENTER behavior https://framagit.org/a-guile-mind/azul/blob/master/editor/tests.scm#L45
2018-08-06T19:03:09Z quipa: "buffer-split-line-at"?
2018-08-06T19:03:27Z quipa: ok I see
2018-08-06T19:03:37Z quipa: cool :)
2018-08-06T19:05:59Z amz31: quipa: what are you into? games? simulation? science? physics? ai? webdev? clickers?
2018-08-06T19:09:07Z quipa: hum simulation, modelling, science, data, games, gui
2018-08-06T19:09:17Z quipa: oh and as a hobby
2018-08-06T19:09:25Z quipa: programming languages and OSs
2018-08-06T19:09:37Z quipa: well games is also hobby :P
2018-08-06T19:09:58Z quipa: but for "work" mostly data and modelling right now
2018-08-06T19:10:08Z quipa: did a lot of GIS stuff before and still do a bit
2018-08-06T19:10:11Z amz31: hey! you are a good send
2018-08-06T19:10:23Z amz31: me too 3 months of GIS open data stuff
2018-08-06T19:10:35Z amz31: I am backend engineer
2018-08-06T19:10:40Z amz31: with frontend stuff
2018-08-06T19:10:42Z amz31: anyway
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2018-08-06T19:11:14Z amz31: I spend 3 or 4 months with green horns data engineers that were like trying to find out where to put sun mirror on top of roofs
2018-08-06T19:11:34Z amz31: something like that and other stuff about legal and quadocopter
2018-08-06T19:11:45Z amz31: anyway
2018-08-06T19:11:56Z amz31: the important I did not write about: open data!
2018-08-06T19:12:05Z quipa: yeah open data is great
2018-08-06T19:12:07Z amz31: forget the open for on moment
2018-08-06T19:12:11Z amz31: I mean data!
2018-08-06T19:12:19Z quipa: hehe data is good of course
2018-08-06T19:12:29Z amz31: data is great but it's difficult to share, so I thought let's build a git for data stuff
2018-08-06T19:12:47Z quipa: like a listing?
2018-08-06T19:12:51Z amz31: not really
2018-08-06T19:12:53Z quipa: or?
2018-08-06T19:12:57Z f8l: quipa: If you find that essay you mentioned, please share.
2018-08-06T19:12:57Z amz31: csv? it's supported yes
2018-08-06T19:13:18Z quipa: I'm trying too but no luck
2018-08-06T19:13:19Z amz31: quipa: you know git?
2018-08-06T19:13:35Z amz31: I ask because my collegue did not know git
2018-08-06T19:13:37Z quipa: I remember it had old html feel with a wierd cyan or green blue background
2018-08-06T19:13:42Z quipa: and I think a brown sidebar
2018-08-06T19:13:43Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T19:14:08Z quipa: and that it had to do with BSD Windows "user-friendliness" and taking time to learn things
2018-08-06T19:14:17Z quipa: the closest I've found is this
2018-08-06T19:14:22Z quipa: but it's not what I remember
2018-08-06T19:14:31Z quipa: http://vtbsd.net/notwindows.html
2018-08-06T19:15:00Z quipa: basically it argued
2018-08-06T19:15:16Z quipa: people find windows "easy" because they don't learn the guts
2018-08-06T19:15:36Z quipa: if they did then BSD would be way easier then Windows to understand
2018-08-06T19:15:38Z amz31: and?
2018-08-06T19:16:00Z quipa: so easy is relative to time spent learning
2018-08-06T19:16:08Z quipa: what is easy when you know very little
2018-08-06T19:16:18Z quipa: is not what is easy when you know a little more
2018-08-06T19:16:24Z quipa: and in fact might be at odds
2018-08-06T19:16:34Z amz31: I disagree
2018-08-06T19:16:37Z quipa: that was the general point from what I remember
2018-08-06T19:16:48Z quipa: well I don't agree nor disagree
2018-08-06T19:16:52Z quipa: I think it just depends
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2018-08-06T19:17:02Z quipa: something you learn more and it just feels like it gets worse hehe
2018-08-06T19:17:19Z quipa: because then you really know how incapable you are
2018-08-06T19:17:36Z quipa: but it was an interesting eassy to read, although a bit strange
2018-08-06T19:17:46Z amz31: what do you think about leaking abstractions?
2018-08-06T19:17:55Z quipa: hum like floats?
2018-08-06T19:17:59Z quipa: or?
2018-08-06T19:18:13Z amz31: hmm why do you say floats?
2018-08-06T19:18:35Z quipa: hum from what I get they are leaky abstractions no? I mean IEEE or whatever it's called
2018-08-06T19:18:51Z quipa: https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/04/06/numbers-are-a-leaky-abstraction/
2018-08-06T19:18:57Z wasamasa: tsk tsk, just because you didn't memorize every single rule about binary floats
2018-08-06T19:19:19Z wasamasa: just read this awesome old paper about them and you'll be fine
2018-08-06T19:19:32Z quipa: hehe
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2018-08-06T19:19:43Z quipa: someone at racket sent me one that looked interesting
2018-08-06T19:19:50Z quipa: too be honest I don't know what to think
2018-08-06T19:20:04Z quipa: but I mean rounding numbers is life no?
2018-08-06T19:20:09Z wasamasa: it's even linked in the above page
2018-08-06T19:20:41Z quipa: hehe yeah :P?
2018-08-06T19:20:56Z amz31: tx!
2018-08-06T19:21:02Z quipa: https://www.cs.umd.edu/~ntoronto/papers/toronto-2014cise-floating-point.pdf
2018-08-06T19:21:05Z quipa: this one looks nice
2018-08-06T19:21:10Z quipa: still haven't read it
2018-08-06T19:21:14Z quipa: but it has great graphs
2018-08-06T19:21:23Z quipa: and I like the humor in the title
2018-08-06T19:22:46Z quipa: my general understanding on floats is that they are a trade-off between speed and precision
2018-08-06T19:22:55Z quipa: you can't really have both
2018-08-06T19:23:02Z quipa: at least that's what I get
2018-08-06T19:23:20Z quipa: I like the inexact exact distinction in scheme
2018-08-06T19:23:31Z amz31: /
2018-08-06T19:23:42Z amz31: sorry, I mean yes, I agree
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2018-08-06T19:23:55Z quipa: find it more obvious then talking about double and float and etc
2018-08-06T19:24:49Z amz31: Their cycle is shorter, they envision less time ahead.
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2018-08-06T19:25:21Z amz31: do you do agile stuff or craft stuff at work?
2018-08-06T19:25:30Z quipa: I mean it wasn't until recently that I fully understood float double etc were a matter of bits
2018-08-06T19:26:00Z quipa: I've read lightly about agile but I mostly program because I just want to get things done
2018-08-06T19:26:21Z quipa: I mean in my team R is a big thing
2018-08-06T19:26:27Z quipa: I don't really
2018-08-06T19:26:37Z quipa: I mean I get that it has a lot of packages and stuff
2018-08-06T19:26:49Z amz31: what do you use to program?
2018-08-06T19:27:01Z quipa: but I just don't like the language and the code I've seen
2018-08-06T19:27:21Z quipa: mostly python until recently
2018-08-06T19:27:29Z quipa: then I started a tour
2018-08-06T19:27:30Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T19:27:34Z quipa: on different languages
2018-08-06T19:27:39Z quipa: see what they were like
2018-08-06T19:28:03Z quipa: not sure if I started with Julia or Haskell
2018-08-06T19:28:07Z quipa: think Haskell
2018-08-06T19:28:29Z quipa: but I found Haskell a difficult ecosystem to deal with
2018-08-06T19:28:29Z amz31: back at the open data stuff, if you are serious about scheme and like very serious about open data you should read https://github.com/amirouche/zehefyu93/blob/master/doc/MOCHA2018/preview/neon-mocha-2018-preview.pdf
2018-08-06T19:28:34Z quipa: loved the base language
2018-08-06T19:28:45Z amz31: quipa: I think scheme is difficult in this regard too
2018-08-06T19:29:26Z quipa: well I just found it a easier different to deal with
2018-08-06T19:29:27Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T19:29:35Z quipa: but for "work" I am trying racket mostly
2018-08-06T19:29:46Z quipa: just tryingto prototype some stuff
2018-08-06T19:30:33Z quipa: I started looking into other programming languages (I have looked at different ones for ages but I didn't actually learn how to code)
2018-08-06T19:30:45Z quipa: think I then considered Scala
2018-08-06T19:30:48Z quipa: tried a bit
2018-08-06T19:30:55Z quipa: interesting idea but not my kind of thing
2018-08-06T19:31:18Z quipa: then a bit of D language
2018-08-06T19:31:35Z amz31: well, you code a lot but code nothing in the end?
2018-08-06T19:31:59Z quipa: my "good" stuff has until now been still python
2018-08-06T19:32:03Z quipa: and now a bit of racket
2018-08-06T19:32:12Z quipa: was just trying to find a nice language to work with
2018-08-06T19:32:27Z amz31: quipa: what your stance regarding static languages vs dynamic languages
2018-08-06T19:32:30Z quipa: and I was starting to dislike the way I was tryin to program in Python
2018-08-06T19:32:48Z quipa: as long as they have type inference I think I prefer static
2018-08-06T19:32:59Z amz31: hmm, you know why?
2018-08-06T19:33:08Z amz31: of course static type checking.
2018-08-06T19:33:25Z amz31: you know before hand that the program can somewhat run
2018-08-06T19:33:27Z quipa: hum yeah I think so
2018-08-06T19:33:30Z quipa: I mean
2018-08-06T19:33:37Z quipa: I mean
2018-08-06T19:33:50Z quipa: I want to know a function is taking a certain kind of data
2018-08-06T19:33:54Z quipa: and not something else
2018-08-06T19:34:11Z amz31: well you are correct
2018-08-06T19:34:31Z amz31: I have mostly dynamic languages experience
2018-08-06T19:34:40Z amz31: I don't mind it aka. I don't know better
2018-08-06T19:34:43Z quipa: but I do enjoy the convinience of not having to type everything out when it's kind of obvious
2018-08-06T19:34:56Z amz31: I never used langauge with type inference tho
2018-08-06T19:35:50Z quipa: well for me I just enjoyed not having to write something obvious like an assert
2018-08-06T19:36:07Z quipa: Racket has sort of good compromise in it's regular stuff
2018-08-06T19:36:09Z quipa: the contracts
2018-08-06T19:36:20Z quipa: I don't love it but at least it's part of the good practice
2018-08-06T19:36:40Z quipa: in Python there is no pretty way of doing that
2018-08-06T19:36:48Z quipa: I mind sure there is mypy
2018-08-06T19:36:51Z quipa: but common
2018-08-06T19:37:10Z quipa: s/I mind/I mean
2018-08-06T19:37:22Z quipa: I was also looking at lazy data
2018-08-06T19:37:47Z quipa: because for somethings it seemed to make more sense
2018-08-06T19:38:06Z quipa: but the problem in python is you end up with a lot of itertools.tee
2018-08-06T19:38:24Z quipa: if you need to fork some data processing
2018-08-06T19:39:03Z quipa: and I like immutability, altough I like to have the option of not using it when it doesn't make so much sense
2018-08-06T19:39:24Z quipa: Python has some immutable data structures but I don't see people using them very often
2018-08-06T19:39:45Z quipa: apart from the type checking there is a lot of functional programming I could do in Python
2018-08-06T19:39:50Z quipa: but it looked horrible :P
2018-08-06T19:39:50Z amz31: quipa: Python and immutable in the same sentence?
2018-08-06T19:39:56Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T19:40:04Z quipa: they do have some immutable data structures
2018-08-06T19:40:16Z amz31: to look != to be
2018-08-06T19:40:23Z amz31: quipa: like what?
2018-08-06T19:40:35Z quipa: https://docs.python.org/2/library/collections.html
2018-08-06T19:40:49Z quipa: IIRC there are some in collections besides the basic sets
2018-08-06T19:40:55Z amz31: all those mutable
2018-08-06T19:41:12Z amz31: there was no immutable datastructure in Python stdlib until the recent 3.7
2018-08-06T19:41:45Z amz31: they use hmtrees (or something) to implement what schemer call fluids/parameters
2018-08-06T19:42:09Z amz31: as part of the asynchronous effort called asyncio
2018-08-06T19:42:17Z quipa: hum okay, but I mean it's not simple to change them no?
2018-08-06T19:42:24Z quipa: you can't just try and assignment
2018-08-06T19:42:34Z quipa: plus strings are immutable
2018-08-06T19:42:39Z amz31: well, python is masacre i think, but big army
2018-08-06T19:43:01Z quipa: Python is "easy" in the sense of our discussion above hehe
2018-08-06T19:43:38Z quipa: for someone who will just wants to write some things to automate some repetitive jobs
2018-08-06T19:43:40Z quipa: it works
2018-08-06T19:43:45Z quipa: that's why I started doing it
2018-08-06T19:43:49Z amz31: yes you can change to immutable datastructures, but it's always part of the cutlure
2018-08-06T19:43:58Z quipa: I mean my first "program"
2018-08-06T19:44:13Z quipa: serious "program"
2018-08-06T19:44:31Z amz31: yes, also doing data engineering without know Scala or Python doesn't look reasonable
2018-08-06T19:44:47Z quipa: but I've kind of outgrown it
2018-08-06T19:44:54Z quipa: I still like to take for a ride
2018-08-06T19:44:58Z amz31: that's the two "true" programming languages I've read a lot about in data science
2018-08-06T19:45:01Z quipa: but I would rather drive something else
2018-08-06T19:45:14Z amz31: quipa: did you read about the phamplet against R?
2018-08-06T19:45:30Z quipa: to be honest I don't even waste time with R stuff
2018-08-06T19:45:33Z quipa: I just don't like it
2018-08-06T19:45:43Z amz31: https://panicz.github.io/pamphlet/
2018-08-06T19:45:57Z quipa: I mean I intuitively didn't like it
2018-08-06T19:45:59Z amz31: it's (famous) scheme success story / advocate
2018-08-06T19:46:05Z quipa: and then I remember reading that in R
2018-08-06T19:46:09Z quipa: everything is an array
2018-08-06T19:46:10Z amz31: R I consider like bash
2018-08-06T19:46:13Z quipa: even 5!
2018-08-06T19:46:20Z quipa: I prefer bash :P
2018-08-06T19:46:23Z amz31: oh
2018-08-06T19:46:28Z amz31: that is bad for R then
2018-08-06T19:47:38Z quipa: and I looke at some R libraries
2018-08-06T19:47:45Z quipa: and it just looked like spaghetti code
2018-08-06T19:47:50Z quipa: and the "documentation"
2018-08-06T19:47:57Z quipa: was just a big blob of text at the start
2018-08-06T19:48:01Z amz31: something i like in scheme that i find silly, is that only #f and #false are what Python 'if' consider 'False'
2018-08-06T19:48:14Z quipa: and then just lines and lines of code without indentation, comments or spaces
2018-08-06T19:48:20Z amz31: It strive for minimalism in some details, I would not have seens
2018-08-06T19:48:22Z amz31: It strive for minimalism in some details, I would not have seen
2018-08-06T19:48:44Z amz31: quipa: that sounds, like prolog to me
2018-08-06T19:48:57Z quipa: oh know from what little I know of prolog
2018-08-06T19:49:02Z quipa: at least that has some structure
2018-08-06T19:49:08Z quipa: not structure in the code I saw
2018-08-06T19:49:15Z quipa: no structure at all
2018-08-06T19:49:17Z amz31: hmm
2018-08-06T19:49:18Z quipa: not even within the lines
2018-08-06T19:49:27Z quipa: I mean I think the only organizing principle is <-
2018-08-06T19:49:31Z quipa: that's about it
2018-08-06T19:50:38Z quipa: what ever faults python has
2018-08-06T19:50:42Z quipa: at least it is readable
2018-08-06T19:50:44Z quipa: hehe
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2018-08-06T19:51:49Z quipa: but yeah overall having come from Python
2018-08-06T19:52:01Z quipa: I just don't like the "smell" of R
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2018-08-06T19:52:19Z quipa: plus their is way too much duplication I think
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2018-08-06T19:52:36Z quipa: I mean the whole culture is built around packages
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2018-08-06T19:52:45Z quipa: and it's like you either use this package
2018-08-06T19:52:47Z quipa: or that package
2018-08-06T19:52:50Z quipa: try and use both
2018-08-06T19:52:55Z quipa: and I think it blows up in your face
2018-08-06T19:53:02Z quipa: that's the general feeling I got
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2018-08-06T19:53:41Z quipa: if I had to bet between R and Python
2018-08-06T19:53:45Z amz31: yes, but R is like pascal for probabilistic programmers
2018-08-06T19:53:52Z amz31: or like rails for webdev
2018-08-06T19:53:59Z quipa: definitely Python
2018-08-06T19:54:04Z quipa: ah not even I think
2018-08-06T19:54:10Z amz31: if you wish
2018-08-06T19:54:13Z quipa: s/ha/hugh.
2018-08-06T19:54:37Z quipa: Don't know much ruby but I think I could read ruby code and feel okay
2018-08-06T19:54:59Z amz31: well, what I was said is that like economist, just blame for the package index of R which various giantic bazaar of models
2018-08-06T19:55:02Z quipa: think even Octave GNU is probably better then R
2018-08-06T19:55:21Z amz31: probabilistic models
2018-08-06T19:55:45Z quipa: not even sure it's a bazaar
2018-08-06T19:55:54Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T19:56:39Z quipa: I don't probably too harsh on R
2018-08-06T19:56:50Z quipa: but I think even in terms of ease
2018-08-06T19:56:59Z quipa: these days with jupyter
2018-08-06T19:57:06Z quipa: you are probably mostly okay
2018-08-06T19:57:20Z amz31: well, i think i've settled the syntax and lisp 1 vs lisp2
2018-08-06T19:57:28Z amz31: well, i think i've settled the syntax and lisp 1 vs lisp2 stuff
2018-08-06T19:58:37Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-06T19:58:46Z quipa: Scheme/Lisp/Racket is great
2018-08-06T19:58:53Z quipa: breath of fresh air
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2018-08-06T19:59:50Z quipa: haven't felt this good until I realised There were things beyond Java in the programming world future, particular Python at the time
2018-08-06T20:00:24Z quipa: If I had only learnt Scheme or at least Python when I was a teenager :P
2018-08-06T20:00:52Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-06T20:00:58Z quipa: should probably do some work
2018-08-06T20:01:14Z quipa: but summing up
2018-08-06T20:01:28Z quipa: I was already an odd ball at the lab because I used Python
2018-08-06T20:01:39Z quipa: can you imagine now that I am using Scheme/Racket hehe
2018-08-06T20:03:02Z quipa: amz31: thanks for showing me around your editor
2018-08-06T20:05:29Z quipa: amz31: pamphlet on Guile looks nice
2018-08-06T20:05:42Z quipa: R programming / Guile
2018-08-06T20:05:51Z amz31: quipa: you have it!
2018-08-06T20:06:00Z amz31: quipa: it easy to follow.
2018-08-06T20:06:17Z amz31: I mean sometime it's easy to just follow the crowd
2018-08-06T20:06:29Z amz31: also, it might a question of focus
2018-08-06T20:07:05Z amz31: what i try to do is achieve more with less so I am biased, If I recall my 20 years what I was coding in terms ui/ux it's not comparable
2018-08-06T20:07:24Z amz31: TBH PHP made me a free man
2018-08-06T20:07:57Z amz31: then in Python same it's not comparable. The focus of scheme is not on the same domain.
2018-08-06T20:08:21Z amz31: So at the end of the day, would I say, I achieve less or more with Scheme?
2018-08-06T20:08:49Z amz31: it's a very tricky question actually, without been really able to judge the reach
2018-08-06T20:09:22Z quipa: well one thing I am realising is I am finding certain concepts much easier to understand in Scheme
2018-08-06T20:09:34Z quipa: it just feels simple
2018-08-06T20:09:44Z amz31: I prefer my recent work, but my close friend prefer the old days of the "what under brain" socia network running PHP and mysql on freebee hosting
2018-08-06T20:10:04Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T20:10:18Z quipa: well I don't really enjoy web stuff especially frontend
2018-08-06T20:10:31Z quipa: backend I still find it interesting
2018-08-06T20:10:44Z amz31: in 2000 frontend was not the frontend of today
2018-08-06T20:11:00Z quipa: probably
2018-08-06T20:11:08Z amz31: but anyway, everybody has its own interest
2018-08-06T20:11:19Z amz31: quipa: you know data science?
2018-08-06T20:11:34Z quipa: yeah a little bit hehe
2018-08-06T20:11:39Z quipa: more learning by doing
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2018-08-06T20:11:58Z quipa: my background is in ecology, and then work experience in GIS like I mentioned
2018-08-06T20:12:16Z quipa: so computer science, stat and math are something I'm self-taught
2018-08-06T20:12:24Z amz31: well, I already had the answer of daviid, but i'd like another one and since you know maybe the subject you might help settle this
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2018-08-06T20:12:49Z amz31: I plotted some y value along a x axis...
2018-08-06T20:13:00Z quipa: yeah?
2018-08-06T20:13:27Z amz31: All the values seems to be between 0.001 and 0.01
2018-08-06T20:14:04Z amz31: I apply a continuous f(x) function to zoom in that particular x/y rectangle
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2018-08-06T20:14:24Z amz31: so that values appear between say 100 and -100
2018-08-06T20:14:32Z amz31: the other way around
2018-08-06T20:14:35Z amz31: anyway
2018-08-06T20:14:39Z amz31: what is it called?
2018-08-06T20:14:47Z quipa: so you transformed it?
2018-08-06T20:14:53Z amz31: yes
2018-08-06T20:14:58Z amz31: that's a transformation?
2018-08-06T20:15:23Z quipa: hum think so, let me check in scikit-learn there are some things along those lines
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2018-08-06T20:16:11Z quipa: scale might be a better word
2018-08-06T20:16:32Z quipa: http://scikit-learn.org/stable/modules/classes.html#module-sklearn.preprocessing
2018-08-06T20:16:33Z amz31: here is the code https://github.com/amirouche/sensimark/blob/master/sensimark.py#L81-L87
2018-08-06T20:16:49Z quipa: or normalizing, standardizing depending on what your doing
2018-08-06T20:17:07Z amz31: quipa: don't kill the messenger!
2018-08-06T20:17:22Z amz31: you are too good to be true, i've been asking the question a month at least
2018-08-06T20:17:46Z amz31: quipa: well, I will read that for sure
2018-08-06T20:17:58Z quipa: hum think there is nicer place
2018-08-06T20:18:03Z quipa: but I've used it a lot
2018-08-06T20:18:18Z amz31: that's the last project i've done in Python because there is nothing like scikit learn in guile
2018-08-06T20:18:18Z quipa: for example you can squeeze all values from 0 to 1
2018-08-06T20:18:31Z quipa: or get everything within a certain deviation
2018-08-06T20:18:47Z amz31: oh
2018-08-06T20:18:51Z quipa: but they aren'y really that sophisticated
2018-08-06T20:18:59Z quipa: it;s just a small formula
2018-08-06T20:19:24Z amz31: s/small//
2018-08-06T20:19:28Z amz31: s/just//
2018-08-06T20:19:29Z quipa: for example you usually do this kind of stuff for regularization regression like LASSO
2018-08-06T20:19:39Z amz31: s/small//g
2018-08-06T20:19:41Z amz31: s/just//g
2018-08-06T20:19:46Z amz31: sorry for the typo ;)
2018-08-06T20:20:02Z quipa: hum you lost me :P
2018-08-06T20:20:33Z amz31: I don't know that for me lasso is a configuration gimp https://www.deviantart.com/aneglus
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2018-08-06T20:20:45Z quipa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(statistics)
2018-08-06T20:20:47Z amz31: s/SPAM/EGG/ is a command to say replace SPAM with EGG
2018-08-06T20:21:02Z amz31: sometime it's supported by bots
2018-08-06T20:21:10Z amz31: and is the syntax of sed and vim
2018-08-06T20:21:22Z quipa: hum okay! I kind of got the idea
2018-08-06T20:21:26Z amz31: hehe
2018-08-06T20:21:30Z quipa: but I didn't see the typo
2018-08-06T20:21:41Z amz31: commands at your finger tips
2018-08-06T20:21:57Z amz31: I mean to say: don't say 'just' and 'simple'
2018-08-06T20:22:03Z amz31: g is for globally
2018-08-06T20:22:14Z amz31: just is never just that thing and it will be a done project
2018-08-06T20:22:26Z amz31: and simple because simple is more difficult
2018-08-06T20:23:02Z quipa: ah you mean philosophically or?
2018-08-06T20:23:26Z amz31: I think it's bad from a culture point of view to say the words 'simple' and 'just'
2018-08-06T20:23:33Z amz31: I think it's called social engineering
2018-08-06T20:23:50Z quipa: hum okay
2018-08-06T20:23:54Z quipa: not quite sure what you mean
2018-08-06T20:23:57Z wasamasa: it's simple, just call it social engineering
2018-08-06T20:23:58Z amz31: it's like "never say never" kind of thing
2018-08-06T20:24:39Z quipa: hum well what do you call a formula with three items :P?
2018-08-06T20:25:00Z quipa: I mean check the table in the wiki
2018-08-06T20:25:25Z quipa: what do you call those kind of formula?
2018-08-06T20:25:27Z quipa: hard :P?
2018-08-06T20:25:37Z amz31: TF IDF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tf%E2%80%93idf
2018-08-06T20:25:46Z amz31: I see three items :)
2018-08-06T20:26:24Z amz31: well at least in computer science simple is difficult as far as I have seen and read about
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2018-08-06T20:27:09Z quipa: is that what your working with?
2018-08-06T20:27:13Z quipa: the last link
2018-08-06T20:27:34Z amz31: that formula can be written as tfidf(term) = tf(term) + 1 / df(term)
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2018-08-06T20:27:47Z amz31: quipa: yes
2018-08-06T20:27:56Z amz31: I will show how i implemented it
2018-08-06T20:28:05Z quipa: hehe okay
2018-08-06T20:28:51Z amz31: it's a period of my life I had still dreams...
2018-08-06T20:29:15Z amz31: I was under the impression that what I wanted was possible to achieve
2018-08-06T20:29:45Z quipa: okay :P?
2018-08-06T20:29:58Z quipa: and it wasn't?
2018-08-06T20:31:05Z amz31: https://github.com/a-guile-mind/Culturia/blob/master/src/wsh2.scm#L142
2018-08-06T20:31:12Z amz31: ^^^^
2018-08-06T20:31:18Z amz31: here is the old scoring function :D
2018-08-06T20:31:39Z amz31: read the readme it sounds quite possible to you https://a-guile-mind.github.io/Culturia/doc/ ?
2018-08-06T20:33:33Z quipa: ` big ball of mud.`
2018-08-06T20:33:38Z quipa: hehe sounds like fun
2018-08-06T20:34:54Z amz31: I lost the code with the implemtation of tf idf but that's the above formua. When you really understand the formula you can stuff to it to make it more precise, that a secret among search engines "WHAT IS THE SCORING FUNCTION ALREADY"
2018-08-06T20:35:19Z amz31: nowdays obv they include machine learning in the mix
2018-08-06T20:35:26Z amz31: I forgot the name of the discipline tho
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2018-08-06T20:36:29Z quipa: hum ok
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2018-08-06T20:37:07Z amz31: well, the exact name doesn't matter exactly I think since I don't have a good picture of data mining field
2018-08-06T20:37:33Z amz31: sometime getting into a keyword make you stick with a solution to the problem avoid other possibilities / theories
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2018-08-06T20:37:38Z quipa: you got some interesting projects :)
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2018-08-06T20:37:53Z amz31: tx
2018-08-06T20:37:54Z quipa: yup tru dat
2018-08-06T20:38:14Z quipa: talking about graphs
2018-08-06T20:38:19Z quipa: I was wondering today
2018-08-06T20:38:27Z quipa: what would a cdr car look like for a graph
2018-08-06T20:38:40Z amz31: well.
2018-08-06T20:39:08Z quipa: I mean s-expressions can be used to represent trees
2018-08-06T20:39:18Z amz31: it depends what you want to do i guess data + code
2018-08-06T20:39:24Z quipa: so it got me wondering what would you do when you have branches that cross
2018-08-06T20:39:45Z quipa: ah okay missed one detail
2018-08-06T20:39:47Z amz31: it's that two mutual pointers somehow?
2018-08-06T20:39:48Z quipa: DAG
2018-08-06T20:40:14Z quipa: well I was think more of just list of nodes and edges
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2018-08-06T20:40:43Z quipa: I guess you could car and dcr over a nodes edges
2018-08-06T20:40:45Z amz31: I store my DAG in something similar to a postgresl or sqlite table then load it into memory via https://github.com/ijp/pfds
2018-08-06T20:40:56Z amz31: quipa: which direction?
2018-08-06T20:41:02Z amz31: there is not direction in a graph
2018-08-06T20:41:30Z quipa: okay let give you some context
2018-08-06T20:41:33Z amz31: you said Directed but, what are the transitions between two edge pointing out of the same node
2018-08-06T20:41:44Z amz31: ok
2018-08-06T20:42:35Z quipa: ok this is not perfect
2018-08-06T20:42:59Z quipa: but it might help
2018-08-06T20:43:00Z quipa: https://blog.iseesystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/image_thumb6.png
2018-08-06T20:43:02Z quipa: or actually
2018-08-06T20:43:05Z amz31: quipa: did you read my paper on neon?
2018-08-06T20:43:07Z quipa: I think I have a funny picture
2018-08-06T20:43:14Z quipa: not yet
2018-08-06T20:43:39Z amz31: then here is the function that linearize the DAG of my database https://github.com/amirouche/zehefyu93/blob/master/guile/neon/engine.scm#L442
2018-08-06T20:43:42Z quipa: to be honest just been hanging on IRC my focus is a bit low right now hehe :P
2018-08-06T20:43:47Z amz31: same
2018-08-06T20:43:48Z quipa: a linearize
2018-08-06T20:43:51Z quipa: sounds interesting
2018-08-06T20:43:52Z amz31: I read the thing you pasted tho
2018-08-06T20:44:03Z amz31: it's an order of some sort topological
2018-08-06T20:44:17Z quipa: yeah I opened and read part of the abstract
2018-08-06T20:44:18Z amz31: that hides concliting branch of history
2018-08-06T20:44:27Z quipa: but I understood I need to sit tight and focus :P
2018-08-06T20:44:27Z amz31: via additions
2018-08-06T20:44:35Z quipa: and it wasn't going to happen now hehe
2018-08-06T20:44:52Z amz31: quipa: that just more blrup for people to read about what i fiddile with
2018-08-06T20:45:18Z amz31: quipa: like my real life friends don't understand the code, so I make website to show
2018-08-06T20:45:28Z quipa: hehe don't know that acronym
2018-08-06T20:45:45Z quipa: hum ok!
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2018-08-06T20:45:48Z amz31: quipa: https://amirouche.github.io/zombie/
2018-08-06T20:46:04Z amz31: well friends or not friends
2018-08-06T20:46:35Z amz31: quipa: do you have a blog?
2018-08-06T20:47:06Z quipa: na not really..!
2018-08-06T20:47:19Z quipa: maybe should put some ideas up
2018-08-06T20:47:29Z quipa: but I always have the feeling I need to read learn more hehe
2018-08-06T20:47:31Z amz31: quipa: github profile?
2018-08-06T20:48:00Z quipa: yup (not very impressive though xD, most of my work is not there and not really that useful to put it there)
2018-08-06T20:48:13Z quipa: https://github.com/quipa
2018-08-06T20:48:16Z amz31: I follow a lot of people some HR person think it's related because i am very famous x)
2018-08-06T20:48:31Z amz31: I mean she think i am famous or something like that
2018-08-06T20:48:56Z amz31: I had to explain the meaning star = favorite project which like a bookmark, bookmark is better word
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2018-08-06T20:49:51Z amz31: ah MY master project was joke
2018-08-06T20:50:09Z Zipheir`: GitHub = programming Facebook. It's not even a joke anymore.
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2018-08-06T20:50:56Z amz31: I agree
2018-08-06T20:51:06Z quipa: yeah
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2018-08-06T20:52:04Z quipa: to be honest my account
2018-08-06T20:52:09Z quipa: wasn't even for me initially
2018-08-06T20:52:13Z quipa: it was for my social project
2018-08-06T20:52:26Z quipa: but I ended up not doing that much in terms of coding
2018-08-06T20:52:35Z quipa: and ended up using it as my regular account
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2018-08-06T20:52:48Z quipa: since I read somewhere it's based practice to change your user name
2018-08-06T20:53:02Z Zipheir`: quipa: ?
2018-08-06T20:53:05Z quipa: because it is harder to follow your commits
2018-08-06T20:53:12Z quipa: once you've changed name
2018-08-06T20:53:19Z Zipheir`: Oh, bad practice.
2018-08-06T20:53:26Z quipa: ah yeah sorry
2018-08-06T20:53:27Z amz31: quipa: what? you are giving free account to github?
2018-08-06T20:53:38Z quipa: ?
2018-08-06T20:53:43Z amz31: quipa: that's how people built up reddit
2018-08-06T20:54:10Z quipa: amz31: not sure what you meant
2018-08-06T20:54:13Z amz31: quipa: it's also called "do things that don't scale"
2018-08-06T20:54:48Z amz31: quipa: because you increase the size of Github artificially, I consider that behavior to be "social" pollution
2018-08-06T20:54:52Z Zipheir`: quipa: That's not even the worst practice. The 10th circle of hell is reserved for GitHub users who use noreply@github.com for the email field of their commits.
2018-08-06T20:54:59Z quipa: ?
2018-08-06T20:55:04Z quipa: I only have one account
2018-08-06T20:55:20Z amz31: quipa: you did say otherwise?
2018-08-06T20:55:41Z amz31: Zipheir`: nobody contributes to my project. no contributor == no problem.
2018-08-06T20:56:21Z quipa: Sorry guys you've lost me, I don't get what your talking about anymore
2018-08-06T20:56:45Z quipa: social pollution?
2018-08-06T20:56:51Z Zipheir`: amz31: Still, people who don't include a real email address deserve to burn.
2018-08-06T20:56:53Z quipa: didn't even know that was a thing :P
2018-08-06T20:57:17Z amz31: yes, reddit was created using fake accounts, it seemed big so kept attracting people, they did not consider the nickname meme was a marketing strategy
2018-08-06T20:57:36Z amz31: Zipheir`: mine is real I even replied you once
2018-08-06T20:57:58Z amz31: quipa: that's the primary problem with social media
2018-08-06T20:58:07Z quipa: okay should I explain why originally created for a social project :P?
2018-08-06T20:58:14Z Zipheir`: amz31: Really? I don't remember that.
2018-08-06T20:58:19Z amz31: quipa: on more generally, it's some philosophical, there is no peace because of trust.
2018-08-06T20:58:53Z quipa: so having more then one e-mail account is social pollution in your terms?
2018-08-06T20:59:02Z quipa: or..?
2018-08-06T20:59:33Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I don't know what you guys are arguing about either :)
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2018-08-06T20:59:43Z amz31: Zelphir isn't your firstname?
2018-08-06T20:59:57Z amz31: quipa: many stuff
2018-08-06T21:00:10Z Zipheir`: amz31: Nope.
2018-08-06T21:00:23Z quipa: I'm still not sure what we are talking about
2018-08-06T21:00:26Z quipa: to be honest :P
2018-08-06T21:00:36Z Zipheir`: FNORD
2018-08-06T21:00:51Z amz31: quipa: here is the result of the project i showed you when we were irc'ing about normalization https://sensimark.com/api/v0?url=https://botbot.me/freenode/scheme&top=3
2018-08-06T21:01:38Z amz31: Zipheir`: we were talking about data science, my projects and python
2018-08-06T21:01:49Z quipa: you showed me that? I don't remember
2018-08-06T21:02:23Z amz31: you showed me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(statistics)
2018-08-06T21:02:36Z quipa: yes..?
2018-08-06T21:02:44Z amz31: try that url in https://sensimark.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(statistics)
2018-08-06T21:03:05Z amz31: quipa: then the normalization i am doing is used in https://sensimark.com
2018-08-06T21:03:22Z amz31: like you said, it's simple but it's nice to know there is good name for it
2018-08-06T21:03:44Z amz31: like a wikipedia page wow
2018-08-06T21:04:50Z quipa: hum yeah? Not sure what this has to do with social pollution
2018-08-06T21:04:52Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-06T21:04:55Z quipa: it likes nice
2018-08-06T21:04:56Z Zipheir`: amz31: Works pretty well, are you involved with this?
2018-08-06T21:05:02Z quipa: s/likes/looks
2018-08-06T21:05:17Z quipa: or are we off to another subject :)?
2018-08-06T21:05:56Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-06T21:05:59Z quipa: damn
2018-08-06T21:06:01Z amz31: Zipheir`: try sci/fi or astronomy stuff and let me know, there is problem with astronomy i think
2018-08-06T21:06:05Z quipa: I missed my sci-fi show :P
2018-08-06T21:06:16Z quipa: haha funny how you just typed that
2018-08-06T21:06:22Z quipa: what's the coincidence
2018-08-06T21:06:42Z quipa: ok guys
2018-08-06T21:06:50Z quipa: think I should go and do something else
2018-08-06T21:06:59Z quipa: nice talking to you
2018-08-06T21:07:00Z amz31: try https://home.cern/about/updates/2018/08/nature-lovers-guide-cern @ https://sensimark.scom
2018-08-06T21:07:04Z amz31: quipa: cu
2018-08-06T21:07:20Z amz31: i need to go to
2018-08-06T21:07:22Z quipa: you'll still have to elaborate on the social pollution for me :P
2018-08-06T21:07:30Z quipa: didn't quite get that
2018-08-06T21:07:32Z Zipheir`: amz31: Star Trek is apparently History & Mathematics.
2018-08-06T21:07:34Z quipa: but for another time
2018-08-06T21:07:39Z amz31: quipa: you do no polutte i will shutdown myself
2018-08-06T21:07:53Z amz31: Zipheir`: there are bugs
2018-08-06T21:08:26Z amz31: Zipheir`: in datascience they call unit tests something like 'evalution' step of their research process
2018-08-06T21:08:31Z Zipheir`: Of course, now I want to exploit those bugs...
2018-08-06T21:08:43Z amz31: and evalution is not possible afaik on that model
2018-08-06T21:08:59Z quipa: evaluation? validation you mean?
2018-08-06T21:09:04Z amz31: otherwise i am coding in the dark
2018-08-06T21:09:05Z quipa: or..?
2018-08-06T21:09:14Z amz31: yes validation some call it evaluation also
2018-08-06T21:09:24Z quipa: hehe reminds me of this crazy article
2018-08-06T21:09:34Z quipa: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304380013005450
2018-08-06T21:09:38Z quipa: evaludation
2018-08-06T21:09:45Z quipa: yeah I am not using that word
2018-08-06T21:10:38Z quipa: yeah with machine learning/ data science your nothing with out validation/evaluation datasets
2018-08-06T21:10:51Z amz31: ^_^ I told you about the keyword thing, sometime it's trap sometime it's not.
2018-08-06T21:11:27Z quipa: hey not sure if this is useful
2018-08-06T21:11:32Z quipa: but you could have a button
2018-08-06T21:11:38Z quipa: for people to confirm if they agree
2018-08-06T21:11:45Z amz31: oh right!
2018-08-06T21:11:48Z quipa: so you get an evaluation/validation
2018-08-06T21:11:50Z quipa: set
2018-08-06T21:11:51Z amz31: I would need to store the result
2018-08-06T21:12:00Z amz31: you right!
2018-08-06T21:12:06Z quipa: not sure how easy that would be
2018-08-06T21:12:13Z quipa: but I mean that's a bit what google does
2018-08-06T21:12:13Z amz31: everything is possible :)
2018-08-06T21:12:19Z quipa: with translate
2018-08-06T21:12:24Z quipa: for example
2018-08-06T21:12:46Z amz31: quipa: look into tesseractio of social features in MMORPS if you interested in tracing living systems
2018-08-06T21:12:47Z quipa: think they have some button to flag a bad translation
2018-08-06T21:13:35Z amz31: quipa: that why my search engine is a chat bot because chatbot keeps context of the conversation where back + url bar + keybindings make it hard for the computer to understand what you do
2018-08-06T21:14:05Z amz31: it's the idea of jupyter really applied in the browser over a text corpus
2018-08-06T21:14:31Z quipa: hum wow sounds like really interesting stuff
2018-08-06T21:14:35Z quipa: :)
2018-08-06T21:14:50Z quipa: yeah UI is a bitch
2018-08-06T21:14:52Z amz31: well, it's not done nor wired + lost code
2018-08-06T21:15:14Z quipa: A bit of topic
2018-08-06T21:15:45Z quipa: but I would really like to see truly functional reactive programming framework that I could use
2018-08-06T21:15:53Z amz31: That project i could not do in guile :(
2018-08-06T21:15:58Z amz31: in the same time i mean
2018-08-06T21:16:16Z amz31: quipa: reactive? like hmm old elm?
2018-08-06T21:16:26Z amz31: I mean like the first version of elm?
2018-08-06T21:16:41Z quipa: hum I don't know elm well enough
2018-08-06T21:16:52Z quipa: but I noticed a lot of things pass of as functional reactive programming
2018-08-06T21:17:01Z quipa: when from what I get they are just reactive programming
2018-08-06T21:17:08Z quipa: with some functional aspects
2018-08-06T21:17:17Z amz31: this make me thing of something!
2018-08-06T21:17:46Z amz31: I understand because of the image you pasted earlier and to be on topic one of the inventor of scheme works on something called propagator, and you should definitly check it out
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2018-08-06T21:18:11Z cmaloney: Elm is a ML-type language
2018-08-06T21:18:15Z quipa: I was kind of surprised that FrTime that I read about in that chapter of Van Roy (Programming Paradigms for Dummies) is a Racket based language
2018-08-06T21:18:19Z cmaloney: so there's more functional there, afaict.
2018-08-06T21:18:50Z quipa: oh yeah I forgot about that
2018-08-06T21:18:57Z quipa: was going to comment on that
2018-08-06T21:19:06Z quipa: the stella diagram picture you mean right?
2018-08-06T21:19:08Z amz31: quipa: save that http://web.mit.edu/~axch/www/art.pdf
2018-08-06T21:19:22Z quipa: propagator sounds cool
2018-08-06T21:19:45Z amz31: they allow to model things that inter-connected like physic formulas
2018-08-06T21:19:58Z amz31: or cells in a spreadsheet
2018-08-06T21:20:33Z quipa: First time I heard about functional reactive programming was in this video
2018-08-06T21:20:35Z quipa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0HIkFR1EN4
2018-08-06T21:20:36Z amz31: that is a solution to the "say hello when that data change" problem somehow
2018-08-06T21:21:03Z quipa: hum yeah spreadsheet is a perfect example of FRP from what I understood
2018-08-06T21:21:34Z amz31: well, the same problem arise in databases
2018-08-06T21:21:42Z quipa: in fact it gave me a whole new found respect for spreadsheets hehe
2018-08-06T21:21:50Z amz31: when you want to "trigger" some logic when some state is met
2018-08-06T21:21:58Z quipa: yeah!
2018-08-06T21:22:48Z amz31: i need sleep
2018-08-06T21:22:52Z amz31: see you around
2018-08-06T21:22:54Z quipa: hehe same here
2018-08-06T21:22:59Z quipa: nice talking with you
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2018-08-06T21:23:11Z quipa: and sorry for any misunderstanding
2018-08-06T21:23:21Z quipa: see you around
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2018-08-07T05:23:22Z Zipheir`: siraben: What's HSoM?
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2018-08-07T05:32:07Z Zipheir`: siraben: Oh, Haskell School of Music.
2018-08-07T05:34:32Z siraben: Zipheir`:  Yeah
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2018-08-07T05:34:58Z siraben: Zipheir`: I tried some code samples and it worked on my machine after cabal install HSoM Euterpea
2018-08-07T05:35:06Z siraben: Did you finish the entire book?
2018-08-07T05:35:46Z Zipheir`: siraben: Great, I'm glad you got them to work. It's sort of an old book at this point, by Haskell standards.
2018-08-07T05:36:09Z Zipheir`: siraben: No, not done yet. I skimmed a lot of it, since it's partially a Haskell intro.
2018-08-07T05:36:22Z Zipheir`: siraben: Do you like it so far?
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2018-08-07T05:36:49Z siraben: I'm on page 61 right now, like it so far.
2018-08-07T05:37:14Z siraben: Nothing new yet apart from seeing how concise a functional language can be with pattern matching
2018-08-07T05:37:50Z siraben: Zipheir`: Gives me ideas to use this to compose music haha, because melodies are just programs.
2018-08-07T05:38:52Z Zipheir`: As a composer, I find that an odd way to look at it.
2018-08-07T05:39:30Z siraben: Oh you compose yourself?  Nice.
2018-08-07T05:40:42Z Zipheir`: Yeah, I originally got serious about programming because I wanted to do live coding.
2018-08-07T05:41:19Z Zipheir`: Well, synthesis in general. But the interactive SuperCollider and Max/MSP stuff seemed really cool at the time.
2018-08-07T05:41:22Z siraben: Oh cool.  I wish there was a way to export these Music datatypes into scores
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2018-08-07T05:41:30Z siraben: Ah I've heard of SuperCollider but never used it
2018-08-07T05:41:38Z siraben: I'm more of a classical pianist myself.
2018-08-07T05:41:52Z siraben: But it's interesting to see the two worlds combine
2018-08-07T05:42:56Z Zipheir`: At the conservatory I went to, the computer musicians and the traditional players never mixed. It really is sort of two worlds.
2018-08-07T05:43:34Z Zipheir`: But have you ever checked out the "visual programming languages"? PureData or Max, among others.
2018-08-07T05:43:49Z siraben: Would Mathematica count?
2018-08-07T05:43:58Z siraben: Oh that visual
2018-08-07T05:44:44Z Zipheir`: No, I mean languages where functions are boxes that you connect into pipelines with a line tool.
2018-08-07T05:45:17Z siraben: The only visual programming language I've ever used was Scratch a long time ago, and left it quickly because it was such a poor language
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2018-08-07T05:45:34Z siraben: But I'll take a stab at this category agian.
2018-08-07T05:45:47Z siraben: Looks appropriate for music composition
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2018-08-07T05:46:19Z Zipheir`: Don't bother, Scheme and Haskell are so much better :)
2018-08-07T05:46:27Z siraben: Haha ok
2018-08-07T05:46:37Z siraben: Can I convert MIDI to a score?
2018-08-07T05:47:00Z siraben: Actually it'd be cool to have a musical composition program that was also extensible
2018-08-07T05:47:04Z Zipheir`: It's kind of cool to abstract patterns by literally dragging & dropping them into a box, but it's super inexpressive.
2018-08-07T05:47:18Z siraben: s/that was/that is/
2018-08-07T05:47:50Z Zipheir`: You can convert MIDI directly to notation, although things like volume and articulation would be hard to get right.
2018-08-07T05:47:52Z siraben: Zipheir`: Which conservatory?
2018-08-07T05:47:57Z siraben: Oh true
2018-08-07T05:48:31Z Zipheir`: Juilliard in my hometown (NYC) for a bit, then Longy School of Music (literally in Harvard's back yard)
2018-08-07T05:48:56Z siraben: Nice.
2018-08-07T05:49:16Z Zipheir`: But most music programming languages kind of suck. Better to build that functionality into a serious language.
2018-08-07T05:49:38Z Zipheir`: Are you studying piano somewhere, or on your own? (Sorry, off-topic, I know)
2018-08-07T05:50:22Z siraben: I studied piano since I was little with a music tutor
2018-08-07T05:50:32Z siraben: But mostly practicing by myself now
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2018-08-07T05:51:17Z Zipheir`: OK, cool.
2018-08-07T05:51:33Z siraben: Zipheir`: what about you?  What instruments do you play?
2018-08-07T05:52:17Z Zipheir`: Classical guitar, mostly. Started playing laptop at a certain point, as I mentioned :)
2018-08-07T05:52:32Z siraben: Interesting.
2018-08-07T05:54:00Z Zipheir`: Algorithmic composition is a good area (I think HSoM has some stuff on it) for combining interesting programming with music. The results don't automatically sound good, though :)
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2018-08-07T05:54:27Z siraben: I once thought of using minikanren for this type of thing
2018-08-07T05:54:44Z siraben: I wrote the rules for simple English grammar into it and it spat out sentences
2018-08-07T05:55:18Z Zipheir`: Fun.
2018-08-07T05:55:21Z siraben: So in principle one could write rules for chord progressions, phrasing etc. and get logic programming and music!
2018-08-07T05:55:54Z Zipheir`: Logic programming might really be a good technique for that, you're right.
2018-08-07T05:55:57Z Zipheir`: Hmmm.
2018-08-07T05:55:59Z siraben: e.g. note -> chord -> progression -> ending
2018-08-07T05:56:06Z siraben: Because it's so hierarchical
2018-08-07T05:56:21Z siraben: Logic programming feels like magic.
2018-08-07T05:56:41Z Zipheir`: Well, that's one way to do it. You could formalize the structures of Indian music and get a totally different hierarchy.
2018-08-07T05:57:21Z siraben: Stephen Wolfram has mentioned using CA to generate music before
2018-08-07T05:57:47Z Zipheir`: CA?
2018-08-07T05:57:53Z siraben: Cellular Automata
2018-08-07T05:58:00Z siraben: Game of Life, Rule 30, etc.
2018-08-07T05:58:04Z Zipheir`: Right, ok.
2018-08-07T05:58:09Z siraben: Generalized to N colors, N dimensions etc.
2018-08-07T05:58:13Z siraben: A lot of unexplored territory there.
2018-08-07T05:58:17Z Zipheir`: That's like his favorite subject.
2018-08-07T05:58:26Z siraben: Because the number of possible rules is astronomical.
2018-08-07T05:58:39Z siraben: It feels like you discover things rather than inventing them.
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2018-08-07T05:59:30Z Zipheir`: That sounds like maybe a good way to generate fractal music, which some avant-garde composers are in love with.
2018-08-07T05:59:42Z siraben: Programming + art is cool as well
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2018-08-07T06:01:22Z Zipheir`: Since synthesizers and raster editing became mainstream, programming _has_ been a big part of art. Artist just suck at it and get Apple to do it for them. :)
2018-08-07T06:01:31Z Zipheir`: s/Artist/&s/
2018-08-07T06:03:17Z Zipheir`: The 'music inferencer' idea sounds cool, though. Maybe I'll take a shot at it.
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2018-08-07T06:06:53Z siraben: Yeah, let me know how it goes.
2018-08-07T06:06:56Z siraben: And sounds ;)
2018-08-07T06:09:23Z Zipheir`: 'Sounds' might take a while, I don't know how much MIDI support there is in the Scheme world.
2018-08-07T06:09:41Z siraben: We can always write a sexp to MIDI compiler :)
2018-08-07T06:10:19Z Zipheir`: That probably wouldn't be hard.
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2018-08-07T06:10:53Z siraben: But getting it to play with a MIDI output, might take a while.
2018-08-07T06:11:02Z siraben: I don't know how to do OS stuff in Scheme yet
2018-08-07T06:11:05Z siraben: call other processes etc.
2018-08-07T06:11:40Z Zipheir`: Do you know the POSIX C interface pretty well?
2018-08-07T06:11:55Z siraben: How do you mean
2018-08-07T06:12:30Z siraben: The most I've done with POSIX stuff in C is file and user I/O
2018-08-07T06:12:36Z siraben: But of course willing to learn
2018-08-07T06:12:53Z Zipheir`: Like read(), stat(), fork(), etc.
2018-08-07T06:13:09Z siraben: Oh sure I've used that
2018-08-07T06:13:27Z Zipheir`: Yeah. Most Schemes have a POSIX library that just wraps those.
2018-08-07T06:13:35Z siraben: Guile likely does
2018-08-07T06:14:17Z Zipheir`: They're usually a lot nicer to work with in Scheme than in C.
2018-08-07T06:14:50Z siraben: Zipheir`: I have to disconnect for a bit, return soon in 10 minutes.
2018-08-07T06:14:55Z siraben: brb
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2018-08-07T06:15:02Z Zipheir`: Like CHICKEN's process-fork just takes a thunk and evaluates it in a child process. None of the bookeeping that you'd have to do in C is needed.
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2018-08-07T06:35:00Z siraben: Zipheir`: back
2018-08-07T06:35:39Z Zipheir`: siraben: wb
2018-08-07T06:35:44Z Zipheir`: siraben: Network crash?
2018-08-07T06:35:49Z siraben: No I had to get in a car
2018-08-07T06:36:41Z siraben: Is program synthesis just going into a renaissance period?
2018-08-07T06:36:55Z siraben: Esp. wrt. minikanren and other DSLs
2018-08-07T06:37:07Z siraben: Zipheir`: btw
2018-08-07T06:37:12Z siraben: oops, http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/
2018-08-07T06:37:29Z Zipheir`: Well, William Byrd is certainly into it.
2018-08-07T06:37:39Z siraben: Yeah I got into it thanks to him
2018-08-07T06:37:46Z siraben: I saw his talk "The Most Beautiful Program Ever Written"
2018-08-07T06:37:51Z siraben: When I started learning Scheme
2018-08-07T06:38:24Z siraben: Zipheir`: Dan Friedman too
2018-08-07T06:38:30Z Zipheir`: I remember you linked that video here! That's how I heard about it, iirc.
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2018-08-07T06:38:50Z siraben: Really?  Must've been a while back.  Let me check
2018-08-07T06:39:29Z siraben: Hah it's not in my logs
2018-08-07T06:39:45Z siraben: Maybe I didn't have logging back then
2018-08-07T06:40:03Z Zipheir`: I think it was back in January or Feb.
2018-08-07T06:40:38Z siraben: Hm was I even using IRC back then
2018-08-07T06:40:40Z Zipheir`: This is a sophisticated music generator but, hah, 'Latin' is a genre :)
2018-08-07T06:41:06Z siraben: So glad I got into IRC, the communities are great!
2018-08-07T06:41:21Z Zipheir`: IRC is awesome.
2018-08-07T06:41:41Z Zipheir`: I'm glad you've enjoyed it. Some people get flamed and run away forever.
2018-08-07T06:42:20Z siraben: Zipheir`: I think the whole generation thing is also taking off with A.I. and generative algorithms helping designers
2018-08-07T06:42:31Z siraben: There was a really good Medium article on it
2018-08-07T06:43:39Z Zipheir`: The AI surge is definitely part of it.
2018-08-07T06:44:08Z siraben: I don't really like the whole idea of feeding data into black boxes and having them magically work
2018-08-07T06:44:16Z siraben: It goes against correctness.
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2018-08-07T06:44:21Z Zipheir`: As is, I think, people suddenly taking an interest in more rigorous programming and language design (e.g. Rust)
2018-08-07T06:45:06Z siraben: Every new language seems to be FP + Pattern matching + Type systems
2018-08-07T06:45:18Z siraben: Correctness and so forth
2018-08-07T06:45:42Z Zipheir`: Right, the 'magic' of these systems is a little scary, because people don't really know how they work after they've ingested a lot of data.
2018-08-07T06:46:08Z siraben: Zipheir`: Found it, this: https://medium.com/@creativeai/creativeai-9d4b2346faf3
2018-08-07T06:46:16Z siraben: One of the best Medium articles I've read.
2018-08-07T06:48:49Z Zipheir`: Oh yeah, Doug Englebart, who was way ahead of his time.
2018-08-07T06:52:35Z siraben: Zipheir`: Implementing Forth in Scheme has turned out to be more difficult than I had thought.
2018-08-07T06:52:53Z Zipheir`: I'm reading _I Am a Strange Loop_ atm, and a lot of the themes in this article sound familiar. Creativity isn't something we have and machines don't--it's a spectrum from rocks up to (and beyond, probably) us.
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2018-08-07T06:53:03Z ecraven: siraben: which problems did you run into?
2018-08-07T06:53:06Z siraben: Zipheir`: Oh I look forward to getting that book
2018-08-07T06:53:21Z siraben: ecraven: It turns out I need to do so much low level stuff like memory management I better just be writing it in ASM
2018-08-07T06:53:44Z siraben: ecraven: It's not going to be efficient at all in Scheme
2018-08-07T06:54:19Z siraben: It's like trying to write a C interpreter in Scheme, doesn't really work.
2018-08-07T06:54:32Z ecraven: ah, that might be true. but it shouldn't be particularly hard, just create two vectors to hold the stacks, then define all the relevant operations on them
2018-08-07T06:54:37Z siraben: Hmm.  But I've seen a forth system written in Julia so I just need to rethink it.
2018-08-07T06:54:56Z ecraven: I've written a forth-like vm in Scheme years ago, that worked out ok
2018-08-07T06:55:16Z siraben: Oh ok.  Will try again.
2018-08-07T06:55:53Z siraben: I need to start from scratch I think, this one is becoming spaghetti and will summon the flying spaghetti monster if I keep giong
2018-08-07T06:56:19Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-07T06:56:20Z ecraven: which approach are you using?
2018-08-07T06:56:30Z siraben: ecraven: What do you mean?
2018-08-07T06:56:47Z ecraven: without thinking too much about it, I'd just create primitives that take two stacks, and mutate them as appropriate. then you just need some machinery to call the right primitives
2018-08-07T06:57:13Z ecraven: back then I think I wrote one large case to dispatch the primitives, but I think I'd go with separate functions (defined with some nice macro) now
2018-08-07T06:57:37Z siraben: Wow this Julia code is implementing a stack machine
2018-08-07T06:57:55Z siraben: ecraven: Ok.  I'll use more macros!
2018-08-07T06:58:23Z ecraven: that wasn't what I meant ;)
2018-08-07T06:58:41Z siraben: So global variables?
2018-08-07T06:58:48Z siraben: Why am I passing the stack around like an environment -_-
2018-08-07T06:58:51Z ecraven: what would you need those for?
2018-08-07T06:59:00Z ecraven: if you mutate the stack, just pass it in, and don't return anything
2018-08-07T06:59:30Z siraben: Forth needs an environment model too because you can add your own words
2018-08-07T06:59:45Z siraben: And another issue I ran into is refining old words, I'm currently using an alist
2018-08-07T06:59:50Z siraben: redefining*
2018-08-07T06:59:57Z Zipheir`: That should work.
2018-08-07T07:00:03Z siraben: So the new words shadow the old ones
2018-08-07T07:00:04Z ecraven: siraben: I think forth uses an alist internally too
2018-08-07T07:00:11Z siraben: Yeah, a linked list.
2018-08-07T07:00:13Z ecraven: so you need two stacks and a dictionary (alist)
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2018-08-07T07:00:37Z siraben: I think I should focus on the smallest primitives and define everything else in forth
2018-08-07T07:00:42Z siraben: Jonesforth does this
2018-08-07T07:01:06Z ecraven: I think almost every forth does this (like most Schemes)
2018-08-07T07:01:13Z Zipheir`: You might take a look at jcowan's Joy interpreter code. It's got some nice examples of implementing a stack-oriented language in Scheme.
2018-08-07T07:02:02Z siraben: My IF statement was continuously buggy :(, but it should be able to be defined in terms of a more primitive BRANCH instruction
2018-08-07T07:03:38Z Zipheir`: siraben: Before you left, I was going to link you this https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/POSIX.html
2018-08-07T07:03:47Z siraben: Zipheir`: Oh, thanks.
2018-08-07T07:03:54Z siraben: Wow low level stuf
2018-08-07T07:04:16Z siraben: I should fine a good book on POSIX
2018-08-07T07:04:23Z siraben: I know next to nothing on how this all works
2018-08-07T07:04:27Z siraben: s/fine/find
2018-08-07T07:05:09Z Zipheir`: W. Richard Stevens - Advanced Programming in the UNIX (should be POSIX) Environment is the classic reference.
2018-08-07T07:06:54Z Zipheir`: http://www.apuebook.com/
2018-08-07T07:07:04Z siraben: Wow the amount of things to learn is amazing
2018-08-07T07:07:10Z Zipheir`: siraben: ^^ Not free, but the older editions are really cheap.
2018-08-07T07:07:49Z siraben: Amazing, thanks.
2018-08-07T07:07:58Z Zipheir`: OS stuff is a pain, since there's a lot of random interfaces to keep in your head.
2018-08-07T07:08:06Z Zipheir`: At least it's not Windows.
2018-08-07T07:08:27Z siraben: I haven't used Windows in years, thank god
2018-08-07T07:08:35Z Zipheir`: And it's always less painful in Scheme than in C. First-class procedures ftw.
2018-08-07T07:09:26Z siraben: One could write a book on using Guile for systems programming
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2018-08-07T07:10:32Z Zipheir`: "Systems programming on UNIX isn't actually too terrible, when you don't have to do it in C." --Olin Shivers
2018-08-07T07:11:04Z siraben: Why is C still not dead?
2018-08-07T07:11:33Z siraben: Surely more robust languages can take its place
2018-08-07T07:11:56Z Zipheir`: A lot of embedded systems.
2018-08-07T07:12:24Z Zipheir`: And, of course, kernels, drivers, etc.
2018-08-07T07:13:01Z Zipheir`: Why things like Git are in C is ... who knows.
2018-08-07T07:13:11Z siraben: So you'd have to reinvent everything.
2018-08-07T07:13:29Z siraben: Zipheir`: coreutils in Rust https://github.com/uutils/coreutils
2018-08-07T07:13:56Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: it's because Linus likes C
2018-08-07T07:13:59Z Zipheir`: I think I saw this project a while ago.
2018-08-07T07:13:59Z nisstyre: that's the only reason
2018-08-07T07:14:01Z siraben: Zipheir`: Is there a good Rust book?
2018-08-07T07:14:17Z siraben: I've only read The Book
2018-08-07T07:14:19Z Zipheir`: siraben: No idea, I haven't seriously looked into Rust.
2018-08-07T07:14:35Z aeth: C is like the Latin of Unix. Everything speaks it as a 'second language'. If your language exists, it has a CFFI or it's (probably) useless on Unix.
2018-08-07T07:15:00Z siraben: aeth: That's true.
2018-08-07T07:15:01Z nisstyre: probably could've done git in Python
2018-08-07T07:15:12Z siraben: or Rust, for that matter.
2018-08-07T07:15:23Z Zipheir`: aeth: Well put.
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2018-08-07T07:15:30Z nisstyre: well Rust did not exist when it was started
2018-08-07T07:15:39Z siraben wants Git in BrainFuck
2018-08-07T07:15:39Z aeth: Rewrite it in Rust!
2018-08-07T07:16:34Z Zipheir`: siraben: I learned Go for some reason last year, which has some things in common with Rust.
2018-08-07T07:16:36Z siraben: So it's a matter of time.  Wait a couple of decades, people.
2018-08-07T07:16:43Z ventonegro: "Programming Rust" is good
2018-08-07T07:17:03Z nisstyre: I should try Rust again
2018-08-07T07:17:09Z nisstyre: if only to pad my CV out
2018-08-07T07:17:10Z Zipheir`: Please tell me someone's written _Rust in Small Pieces_.
2018-08-07T07:17:21Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: Rust In Pieces would be better
2018-08-07T07:17:32Z siraben: Haha
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2018-08-07T07:17:42Z aeth: Rewrite Rust in Scheme
2018-08-07T07:17:44Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: That was my first thought, then I thought of the Lisp book.
2018-08-07T07:17:52Z ventonegro: Rust in Small Tidbits
2018-08-07T07:17:56Z siraben: aeth: Nay, rewrite Scheme in Scheme
2018-08-07T07:17:56Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: implementing Rust in Rust?
2018-08-07T07:18:18Z aeth: siraben: Why?
2018-08-07T07:18:19Z siraben: nisstyre: Already done.
2018-08-07T07:18:19Z siraben: Obviously.
2018-08-07T07:18:24Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: Like most compiled languages, duh.
2018-08-07T07:18:25Z nisstyre: yeah
2018-08-07T07:18:27Z siraben: Any respectable language needs to stand on itself
2018-08-07T07:18:36Z siraben: Zipheir`: Strange loop!
2018-08-07T07:18:46Z aeth: siraben: I think the best language for writing a Scheme is Common Lisp.
2018-08-07T07:18:47Z nisstyre: Rust Under Small Tidbits?
2018-08-07T07:18:49Z nisstyre: idk
2018-08-07T07:18:59Z nisstyre: has to spell RUST in order for it to be comparable to LISP
2018-08-07T07:19:09Z nisstyre: and be written by a french dude
2018-08-07T07:19:33Z Zipheir`: and cost way too much money.
2018-08-07T07:19:47Z siraben: Zipheir`: seconded on that
2018-08-07T07:19:59Z aeth: Rust Under Small Telescopes
2018-08-07T07:20:02Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: I learned more from Compiling with Continuations by Andrew Appel than I did from LISP
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2018-08-07T07:20:24Z nisstyre: but they are somewhat different books tbf
2018-08-07T07:20:27Z siraben: aeth: I feel that a RUST acronym would work in German
2018-08-07T07:20:42Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: That's another book I'd like to find a copy of, but also super expensive.
2018-08-07T07:20:47Z nisstyre: I have copies of both
2018-08-07T07:20:51Z siraben: Why must some books be so expensive
2018-08-07T07:20:51Z aeth: Does German have acronyms? I think it would mostly use one letter for their acronyms
2018-08-07T07:20:52Z Zipheir`: Lucky.
2018-08-07T07:20:52Z nisstyre: I think one is damaged a bit though
2018-08-07T07:20:59Z nisstyre: but just minor water damage
2018-08-07T07:21:01Z siraben: Zipheir`: Fortunately GEB wasn't expensive :)
2018-08-07T07:21:17Z aeth: Itshardtohaveanacronymwhenitsoneword
2018-08-07T07:21:37Z Zipheir`: Iamanacronym
2018-08-07T07:21:49Z nisstyre: GEB isn't as good as I Am a Strange Loop
2018-08-07T07:21:51Z nisstyre: tbh
2018-08-07T07:22:03Z nisstyre: IAaSL is like the version that just gives you the meat
2018-08-07T07:22:07Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: Funny, I'm reading IAASL and I've been thinking the inverse.
2018-08-07T07:22:26Z nisstyre: maybe I'm too impatient for GEB
2018-08-07T07:22:31Z siraben: Rust und schmal Teile
2018-08-07T07:22:33Z siraben: Rust in small parts
2018-08-07T07:22:40Z siraben: I used google translate :P
2018-08-07T07:22:49Z nisstyre: siraben: just call it that for the German edition
2018-08-07T07:23:01Z siraben: nisstyre: I'll find that book
2018-08-07T07:23:06Z siraben: IAASL
2018-08-07T07:23:21Z siraben: Wait und is not "in" -_-
2018-08-07T07:23:21Z nisstyre: my favourite part of that book is where he talks about death
2018-08-07T07:23:31Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: Hofstader just likes to ramble. :) For some reason I liked his rambling in GEB more, but de gustibus non est disputandem, or something
2018-08-07T07:23:32Z siraben: RUST -> Rust "and" small parts lol
2018-08-07T07:24:13Z aeth: Aeth Eats Tasty Herbs is the best book. It's my cookbook of... uh... herbs, which don't need to be cooked I guess? Short book.
2018-08-07T07:24:43Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-07T07:25:23Z siraben: Siraben Is Rambling About Books Eccentrically Named
2018-08-07T07:25:28Z siraben: SIRABEN
2018-08-07T07:25:48Z siraben: It's about self-reference, naturally.
2018-08-07T07:25:49Z Zipheir`: Recursive acronym, rms approves.
2018-08-07T07:27:37Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: Is the death section you refer to in ISaSL?
2018-08-07T07:27:57Z aeth: Rust Unterseeboot is *almost* perfect. That might get you RUSB depending on hoe you acronym compound words in German (not sure)
2018-08-07T07:28:21Z ecraven: u-boot is the usual shortened form of unterseeboot
2018-08-07T07:28:22Z aeth: Can a German speaker give us something else that's underwater?
2018-08-07T07:28:37Z aeth: *how
2018-08-07T07:28:58Z aeth: I cannot use soft keyboards. I turn off autocorrect but sometimes theu still fail me
2018-08-07T07:29:16Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: yes
2018-08-07T07:29:22Z nisstyre: Zipheir`: he discusses his wife dying
2018-08-07T07:29:46Z Zipheir`: nisstyre: Hardcore.
2018-08-07T07:30:04Z aeth: ecraven: Do you know German? Any ST to complete Rust Unterseeboot?
2018-08-07T07:30:09Z siraben: nisstyre: omg no spoilers
2018-08-07T07:30:18Z ecraven: st?
2018-08-07T07:30:31Z aeth: ecraven: LiSP is Lisp in Small Pieces
2018-08-07T07:30:49Z aeth: #scheme wants to write a German equivalent for Rust
2018-08-07T07:31:07Z siraben: Haskell in Small Pieces
2018-08-07T07:31:12Z aeth: Since we're bad at German it should ideally be comically nonsensical
2018-08-07T07:31:34Z siraben: Rust und schmal Teile
2018-08-07T07:31:34Z Zipheir`: How did German come into it again?
2018-08-07T07:31:37Z siraben: Rust and Small pieces
2018-08-07T07:31:38Z siraben: Me
2018-08-07T07:31:42Z ecraven: schmal is narrow, not small
2018-08-07T07:31:46Z ecraven: klein is small
2018-08-07T07:31:51Z ecraven: rust in kleinen teilen
2018-08-07T07:31:58Z siraben: RIKT
2018-08-07T07:32:08Z ecraven: but teile does not quite mean the same thing as piece, it feels a bit off
2018-08-07T07:32:09Z aeth: It has to spell Rust, which is where the u-boats come in
2018-08-07T07:32:13Z siraben: Rust Under Seven Trees
2018-08-07T07:32:16Z ecraven: rust in kleinen schritten  would probably be it
2018-08-07T07:32:25Z ecraven: ah, ok
2018-08-07T07:32:54Z aeth: My knowledge of German is... limited
2018-08-07T07:33:03Z siraben: Rust Under Seven Towers
2018-08-07T07:33:10Z siraben: Towers... of intepreters
2018-08-07T07:33:13Z Zipheir`: Dutch is a good candidate, since 'rust' actually translates as 'rest'.
2018-08-07T07:33:56Z siraben: Maybe the name doesn't matter and all that does is that it's a good book.
2018-08-07T07:34:19Z aeth: I can tell you 'Das is nicht gut' if you have a bad German translation, though.
2018-08-07T07:34:43Z aeth: There is no way to say that sentence that doesn't sound angry, btw
2018-08-07T07:34:56Z siraben: The German speakers in this channel must be dying laughing.
2018-08-07T07:35:39Z Zipheir`: The American stereotype is, all German is angry, and Dutch is drunk English.
2018-08-07T07:35:44Z siraben: I'm a Rustacean
2018-08-07T07:36:08Z Zipheir`: rudybot: Ba-dum kssh
2018-08-07T07:36:08Z rudybot: Zipheir`: Ba-Dum *Tish!*
2018-08-07T07:36:13Z Zipheir`: Nice.
2018-08-07T07:36:20Z siraben: Zipheir`: I have a German friend and it doesn't sound angry
2018-08-07T07:36:23Z aeth: s/Das is/Das ist/
2018-08-07T07:36:58Z siraben: Java would be a good language for making German nouns tbh.
2018-08-07T07:37:36Z siraben: Someone write Java code in German please
2018-08-07T07:37:48Z aeth: Java is a German word
2018-08-07T07:37:54Z Zipheir`: Both languages have a certain love of verbosity.
2018-08-07T07:38:38Z aeth: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(Programmiersprache)
2018-08-07T07:39:14Z siraben: public class Hund extends Tier , nice
2018-08-07T07:39:27Z aeth: That article has Katze und Hund extending Tier, yes
2018-08-07T07:39:37Z Zipheir`: BlinkenLights.execute()
2018-08-07T07:39:40Z aeth: HalloWelt
2018-08-07T07:40:11Z siraben: Found it! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8629145
2018-08-07T07:40:13Z siraben: Read the comments
2018-08-07T07:40:16Z Zipheir`: Dumbkopf.Gefingerpoke(KomputerMaschine)
2018-08-07T07:40:20Z aeth: If there are two non-English languages you can find programming resources in, it's probably German and French.
2018-08-07T07:40:27Z aeth: Maybe Russian, too.
2018-08-07T07:40:53Z siraben: You can use hieroglyphs in Haskell :)
2018-08-07T07:41:16Z siraben: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/7gztuf/%F0%93%82%80%F0%93%81%9F%F0%93%8C%8Dhs/
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2018-08-07T07:42:02Z Zipheir`: siraben: That Gothic font looks pretty badass.
2018-08-07T07:42:10Z aeth: I've seen Python programs written in Spanish before
2018-08-07T07:42:33Z aeth: Normally, though, I think most people just use English even if they don't speak English
2018-08-07T07:42:42Z Zipheir`: Ah yes, the classic bird-to-foot function.
2018-08-07T07:42:52Z siraben: Zipheir`: Guess what it does?
2018-08-07T07:43:16Z Zipheir`: It looks like some kind of fmap...
2018-08-07T07:43:21Z siraben: It's map alright
2018-08-07T07:43:31Z Zipheir`: Yeah.
2018-08-07T07:43:40Z siraben thinks computer science papers should stop using Greek letters for type annotations and hieroglyphs instead.
2018-08-07T07:43:40Z Zipheir`: Map all your birds to feet, woo.
2018-08-07T07:44:20Z siraben: I don't want my functions from tau to epsilon
2018-08-07T07:44:24Z Zipheir`: Category theory could certainly use some more symbols.
2018-08-07T07:45:20Z Zipheir`: I'm suprised people still write Lisp in english. It's one of the easiest languages to translate.
2018-08-07T07:45:28Z Zipheir`: Along with Python, I suppose.
2018-08-07T07:46:56Z ecraven: I've looked at code that uses japanese for identifiers, and it's not much fun :-/
2018-08-07T07:47:12Z Zipheir`: Anyway, it's getting really late here. Goodnight, morning, or whatever to all.
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2018-08-07T07:51:45Z siraben: Zipheir`: German would be a good choice for imperial airship scheme
2018-08-07T07:52:16Z siraben: (definieren (anhängen Liste1 Liste2) ...)
2018-08-07T07:52:21Z aeth: (defina (mi-código foo bar baz) (¡ajuste! x (o (y foo bar) baz)))
2018-08-07T07:52:32Z aeth: sounds like a good way to obfuscate code
2018-08-07T07:54:14Z aeth: Anyway, even if I mistranslated parts of that, the important thing is that Spanish is the only viable alternative to English for Scheme because it offers (1) shorter names for 'or' and 'and' and (2) a much clearer ¡foo! convention for procedures with side effects
2018-08-07T07:54:52Z siraben: ¡adjuste! gives twice the scariness of mutation
2018-08-07T07:55:40Z aeth: Also you'd have things like (¿lista? (lista 1 2 3)) => #c (for cierto)
2018-08-07T07:55:59Z siraben: Not #v verdadero?
2018-08-07T07:56:15Z siraben: I've seen true/false questions with verdadero and falso
2018-08-07T07:56:22Z aeth: Not sure which one would be used in a translation, actually. I think I've seen either
2018-08-07T07:56:37Z aeth: The important thing, though, is that 'list' is just 'lista', so the learning curve is small
2018-08-07T07:57:25Z siraben: Klasse Katze verlängert Tier { ...}
2018-08-07T07:57:31Z siraben: Cat extends Animal lol
2018-08-07T07:57:44Z aeth: Oh, and in Latin American Spanish you can just use "carro", e.g. (carro (cons 1 2)) => 1
2018-08-07T07:57:58Z siraben: What about cdr?
2018-08-07T07:58:16Z siraben: aeth: Zipheir`: This is going to make it hard on minikanren naming conventions lol
2018-08-07T07:58:22Z aeth: Maybe translate it as cdrro to keep the symmetry between carro and cdrro
2018-08-07T07:58:25Z siraben: Because in minikanren you end it with -o
2018-08-07T07:58:35Z aeth: car is a word and cdr isn't so... hard to translate cdr
2018-08-07T07:58:36Z siraben: So if I had a relational version of append, it's appendo
2018-08-07T07:58:46Z ecraven: you'd use the imperative in german, not the infinitive, so hänge-an, not anhängen
2018-08-07T07:59:05Z siraben: ecraven: Thanks
2018-08-07T07:59:11Z ecraven: was that convention created pre Harry Potter or post?
2018-08-07T07:59:24Z aeth: siraben: And appendo is what you'd use for the Italian translation of Scheme! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/appendo#Italian
2018-08-07T07:59:51Z aeth: In Spanish, it's probably apendo
2018-08-07T08:00:10Z siraben: The verb is adjuntar
2018-08-07T08:00:15Z siraben: Similar to "adjoin" I guess
2018-08-07T08:00:28Z aeth: ah
2018-08-07T08:00:43Z aeth: I'm guessing you'd use the formal (usted) imperative when translating?
2018-08-07T08:00:51Z aeth: Since you'd want to address your computer formally
2018-08-07T08:00:52Z siraben: So you have to use the imperative: adjunta/adjunte
2018-08-07T08:01:00Z siraben: adjunta is informal, adjunte is formal
2018-08-07T08:01:04Z aeth: right
2018-08-07T08:01:16Z siraben: Lol what if you had to do parallism
2018-08-07T08:01:20Z siraben: parallelism*
2018-08-07T08:01:24Z siraben: adjuten
2018-08-07T08:01:27Z siraben: adjunten*
2018-08-07T08:01:38Z aeth: It I used the usted when i translated ¡ajuste! for set! and that's probably the way to go
2018-08-07T08:01:44Z aeth: s/It /
2018-08-07T08:02:02Z siraben: We have enough programming languages as is, and adding "localization" to them would cause a combinatorial explosion.
2018-08-07T08:02:15Z siraben: Zipheir`: This will become a mega-Cambrian explosion
2018-08-07T08:02:19Z aeth: siraben: Until we decide to settle on the Latin version of every language
2018-08-07T08:02:35Z siraben: Pfft latin is discriminatory to the rest of the world
2018-08-07T08:02:46Z siraben: The best language is no language
2018-08-07T08:03:02Z aeth: siraben: So you're saying we shouldn't use a language that's only in use in Vatican City?
2018-08-07T08:03:49Z siraben: Perhaps
2018-08-07T08:11:42Z aeth: Non. Quis in linguam latinam non potest loquor?
2018-08-07T08:12:31Z ecraven: loquari
2018-08-07T08:13:38Z aeth: Actually I think it's loqui?
2018-08-07T08:13:41Z aeth: stupid irregular verbs
2018-08-07T08:13:53Z aeth: Thankfully humanity has moved on from using languages with irregular verbs
2018-08-07T08:16:44Z siraben: *cough*  English  *cough*
2018-08-07T08:18:34Z ecraven: aeth: ah, indeed.. seems I need to brush up on my latin
2018-08-07T08:19:50Z siraben: We should be learning lojban then
2018-08-07T08:20:03Z siraben: A constructed language, regular af
2018-08-07T08:20:03Z aeth: We should be speaking Scheme
2018-08-07T08:20:12Z siraben: (display "no u")
2018-08-07T08:20:27Z aeth: (and (speak scheme) (not (have ambiguity)))
2018-08-07T08:20:37Z siraben: Also, (((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) you)
2018-08-07T08:21:06Z aeth: The key is learning how to use lexical scope in your head
2018-08-07T08:21:44Z siraben: ()
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2018-08-07T14:14:13Z black_13: what is the difference between define and let
2018-08-07T14:14:29Z LeoNerd: Mmm.. this one :)
2018-08-07T14:14:47Z LeoNerd: define creates a new symbol as a sibling of its scope - i.e. within toplevel of theprogram if toplevel, etc etc...
2018-08-07T14:15:02Z LeoNerd: let creates a new scope and a new binding for the symbol *within* that scope, but not afterwards
2018-08-07T14:15:13Z LeoNerd: (define one 1) (display one)   ; I can see 'one' here
2018-08-07T14:15:26Z LeoNerd: (let ((one 1)) (body...))   (display one)   ; Nope, no idea what 'one' is
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2018-08-07T14:16:34Z black_13: ah
2018-08-07T14:16:56Z LeoNerd: R5RS doesn't provide one, but later Schemes define the concept of a  (letrec* ...)
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2018-08-07T14:17:15Z black_13: and this scheme i am working against is s7
2018-08-07T14:17:15Z LeoNerd: The idea being the obvious combination of let* and letrec; to create a bunch of mutually-visible bindings, defined in lexical order
2018-08-07T14:17:22Z black_13: its own being.
2018-08-07T14:17:38Z LeoNerd: The toplevel 'define's in a program behave the same as if they had infact been letrec* bindings, that the entire program was nested inside
2018-08-07T14:18:48Z black_13: it would seem then that let is part of greater idea
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2018-08-07T14:19:49Z LeoNerd: In a sense, yes
2018-08-07T14:20:04Z black_13: that is use let to set a value for the use of scope in call to something else
2018-08-07T14:20:07Z LeoNerd: The let family are a more fundamental concept. define is more of a shortcut, a syntax neatness for a common use of it
2018-08-07T14:20:57Z black_13: btw has anyone here seen or used s7 scheme https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/s7.html#cload
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2018-08-07T15:55:00Z quipa: LeoNerd: No `let` in R5RS? or do you mean `letrec*` https://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_124
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2018-08-07T15:57:18Z Zipheir`: quipa: That's what LeoNerd meant. Slightly indirect English construction. :)
2018-08-07T15:58:08Z quipa: yes that makes more sense
2018-08-07T15:58:15Z quipa: but I did wonder for a second there
2018-08-07T16:03:08Z quipa: Hum besides writing a lisp/scheme interpreter/compiler in lisp/scheme have a lot of you played with this kind of project? http://www.buildyourownlisp.com/ and the mal project https://github.com/kanaka/mal http://norvig.com/lispy2.html? Know of an equivalent projects specifically for scheme? Is/was it a worthwhile experience in your opinion?
2018-08-07T16:04:24Z Zipheir`: wasamasa has done a lot of MAL work, iirc.
2018-08-07T16:04:40Z quipa: cool
2018-08-07T16:04:49Z Zipheir`: I'm not sure there's a project for implementing Schemes, specifically.
2018-08-07T16:05:20Z Zipheir`: It's a lot of work, but fantastic for learning the guts of Lisp.
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2018-08-07T16:06:18Z quipa: ah yes I see that wasamasa is #4 in the commits of mal
2018-08-07T16:06:58Z quipa: besides lisp/scheme what would be your 2nd and 3rd options to write a Lisp/Scheme interpreter/compiler
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2018-08-07T16:07:34Z Zipheir`: I've written a few interpreters in C, and I'd like to do one in Haskell at some point.
2018-08-07T16:07:53Z Zipheir`: But yeah, most of us probably started with a metacircular interpreter.
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2018-08-07T16:10:25Z quipa: https://wespiser.com/writings/wyas/00_overview.html this seems to be a scheme example in haskell
2018-08-07T16:11:19Z quipa: ah another question
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2018-08-07T16:12:40Z quipa: ye nevermind
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2018-08-07T16:21:24Z wasamasa: shit, they're on to me
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2018-08-07T16:22:55Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-07T16:23:25Z wasamasa: I'm currently experimenting with figuring out more candidates that haven't been done yet
2018-08-07T16:23:37Z wasamasa: as you might imagine, lisps do the best on my tests
2018-08-07T16:23:41Z wasamasa: but it's not only them
2018-08-07T16:23:54Z wasamasa: https://github.com/wasamasa/mal-candidates
2018-08-07T16:24:07Z wasamasa: I also found some disappointments, like chapel
2018-08-07T16:24:15Z quipa: vala? hehe just kidding
2018-08-07T16:24:22Z wasamasa: vala is ok actually
2018-08-07T16:24:33Z wasamasa: if I had to figure out gobject-introspection, I'd use vala for that
2018-08-07T16:24:36Z quipa: ah yeah I see you have it in the list
2018-08-07T16:24:41Z wasamasa: the problem is just that vala has been abandoned by its makers
2018-08-07T16:24:51Z wasamasa: I've added notes to them all
2018-08-07T16:25:04Z wasamasa: simula-67 for example is a disappointment
2018-08-07T16:25:14Z quipa: which was the most rewarding for you
2018-08-07T16:25:14Z wasamasa: I can see how it influenced C++ and not in a good way
2018-08-07T16:25:23Z wasamasa: hard to say
2018-08-07T16:25:24Z wasamasa: SML?
2018-08-07T16:25:51Z quipa: cool
2018-08-07T16:25:58Z wasamasa: I didn't have much of an opinion on the ML family before (other than ocaml code looking quite elegant), but after learning some SML I'm quite fond of it
2018-08-07T16:26:07Z quipa: yeah I've always been curious of ML languages
2018-08-07T16:26:32Z wasamasa: they're quite nice for constructing interpreters/compilers
2018-08-07T16:26:58Z wasamasa: you really want a helpful compiler with a powerful type system that can infer most of the rules for you
2018-08-07T16:27:20Z wasamasa: SML's standard is roughly as powerful as R7RS
2018-08-07T16:27:31Z wasamasa: it covers enough to do MAL in it (just like R7RS)
2018-08-07T16:27:49Z quipa: sounds cool
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2018-08-07T16:28:50Z wasamasa: however, if you want to do more, you're probably better off with ocaml
2018-08-07T16:29:05Z wasamasa: it reminds me a bit of racket
2018-08-07T16:32:57Z wasamasa: in the sense that it's mostly reminiscent of its ancestor and most of the changes they did being in favor of practicality over purity
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2018-08-07T16:35:36Z Zipheir: I read an amusing article that made a lot about some venture firms using OCaml and how "rigor is like cocaine for some people".
2018-08-07T16:37:42Z wasamasa: lol
2018-08-07T16:38:04Z wasamasa: by side effect, I also enjoy languages clearly inspired by SML
2018-08-07T16:38:11Z wasamasa: such as limbo and myrddin
2018-08-07T16:38:16Z weinholt: i believe it was catnip rather than cocaine
2018-08-07T16:41:03Z Zipheir: wasamasa: Wow, you know Myrddin? I thought that was known only to #cat-v folks.
2018-08-07T16:41:30Z wasamasa: well, I've been collecting candidates and only dared trying myrddin after learning SML and implementing these tests for some low-level languages
2018-08-07T16:41:43Z Zipheir: And, err, ex-cat-v folks. :-/
2018-08-07T16:41:53Z wasamasa: I think my biggest stumbling block would be implementing a garbage collector
2018-08-07T16:42:01Z wasamasa: but unlike with fortran I'd have an idea how
2018-08-07T16:42:06Z Zipheir: Heh
2018-08-07T16:42:12Z wasamasa: also, I assumed it was more of a plan 9 / 9front thing
2018-08-07T16:42:18Z Zipheir: It really is.
2018-08-07T16:42:26Z wasamasa: cat-v is just some dead guy's website
2018-08-07T16:42:28Z Zipheir: It is also, in many ways, Go.
2018-08-07T16:42:34Z wasamasa: why else would they name the compiler 6m
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2018-08-07T16:42:49Z wasamasa: meh, go
2018-08-07T16:42:55Z wasamasa: I prefer limbo any day
2018-08-07T16:43:00Z wasamasa: even algol-68
2018-08-07T16:43:17Z Zipheir: Limbo is the Inferno language, right?
2018-08-07T16:43:20Z wasamasa: correct
2018-08-07T16:43:33Z wasamasa: the biggest stumbling block was making a working test rig
2018-08-07T16:43:49Z wasamasa: this required patching `emu` to not kill -9 itself...
2018-08-07T16:45:12Z Zipheir: Hah.
2018-08-07T16:45:42Z wasamasa: I also learned why GOPATH is a thing
2018-08-07T16:45:48Z Zipheir: Limbo does seem to have some of the good aspects of Go, without some of the brain-damaged ones.
2018-08-07T16:46:05Z wasamasa: in inferno, you just do union mounts until you have set up your system just the way you need it
2018-08-07T16:46:13Z wasamasa: in go, you adjust GOPATH
2018-08-07T16:46:17Z Zipheir: Right.
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2018-08-07T16:48:24Z Zipheir: I don't really understand who Go was written for.
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2018-08-07T16:48:51Z wasamasa: well, it happened because google wanted to get away from writing web servers in C++ and needed something better than java
2018-08-07T16:48:56Z gwatt: It was written for ex-plan9ers who didn't like C++
2018-08-07T16:49:02Z wasamasa: the real mystery is why people other than google use it
2018-08-07T16:49:08Z gwatt: also by explan8ers
2018-08-07T16:49:28Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-08-07T16:50:01Z gwatt: Eh, it has a decent standard library for some basic tasks. The fact that you can produce a single exeutable from any system for any system is nice
2018-08-07T16:50:17Z wasamasa: it compiles much faster than C++
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2018-08-07T16:50:58Z Zipheir: If I were forced to write C++/Java for my job, I could see how switching to Go would save infinite amounts of pain.
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2018-08-07T16:51:11Z gwatt: Go as a language is mediocre, but the tooling and standard library is better.
2018-08-07T16:51:16Z Zipheir: But it's not too hard to be better than C++/Java.
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2018-08-07T16:51:37Z Zipheir: gwatt: Agreed.
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2018-08-07T16:54:12Z quipa: explan8ers?
2018-08-07T16:54:17Z quipa: :P?
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2018-08-07T16:55:51Z Zipheir: Sounds like people who explain things from a condescending Plan n perspective.
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2018-08-07T16:58:02Z gwatt: ex-plan9ers. I had a pair of bad typos
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2018-08-07T16:59:03Z Zipheir: Plan 9: It's a cult.
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2018-08-07T17:01:22Z quipa: ah! ok
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2018-08-07T17:03:44Z quipa: ah makes more sense with that context
2018-08-07T17:03:53Z quipa: what gwatt said
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2018-08-07T18:34:28Z amz31: quipa: you around! again!
2018-08-07T18:35:01Z quipa: hum yeah :P? surprised
2018-08-07T18:35:08Z quipa: ?? hehe
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2018-08-07T18:35:25Z quipa: by the way I have an "announcement"
2018-08-07T18:35:37Z amz31: this time no irc, I need to prepare a talk for pycon france
2018-08-07T18:35:49Z quipa: think I got most of the basic functionality for scheme/clojure/lisp/racket working in geany
2018-08-07T18:35:50Z amz31: I mean prepare the sprint, I already have the talk ready
2018-08-07T18:35:56Z quipa: no worries
2018-08-07T18:36:14Z quipa: focus hehe
2018-08-07T18:36:41Z quipa: https://github.com/quipa/geany/tree/lisp_dialects
2018-08-07T18:37:17Z quipa: would be nice to re write the ctags parser since it's very plain and simple, but I don't really know enough C for that I think
2018-08-07T18:37:40Z quipa: plus still working on the keywords on filetype.rkt for racket
2018-08-07T18:38:13Z quipa: most of the ctags parsers for lisp dialects are pretty weak
2018-08-07T18:38:49Z quipa: basically only identify functions and that's about it
2018-08-07T18:38:57Z quipa: the scintilla lexers are also kind of basic
2018-08-07T18:39:14Z quipa: scintilla lisp and scheme lexers
2018-08-07T18:41:53Z amz31: quipa: here is how my editor looks like https://i.imgur.com/DFmeAjY.png
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2018-08-07T18:42:55Z quipa: yeah don't have time for another editor flame today
2018-08-07T18:42:56Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-07T18:44:02Z amz31: no worries
2018-08-07T18:44:11Z quipa: just need a lightweight tool that will help me learn scheme/racket without having to learn the tool first for now (DrRacket is nice but way to heavy)
2018-08-07T18:44:22Z amz31: quipa: I use rainbow delimiters but I don't use parinfer and the likes paredit
2018-08-07T18:44:52Z amz31: quipa: we all have been there, for the record I don't think all #scheme use vim or emacs.. just saying
2018-08-07T18:45:50Z quipa: in fact it's been a big enough yak shaving operation for me these last few days xD
2018-08-07T18:46:02Z amz31: here is screencast coding an anonymous social netork using guile scheme almost from scratch
2018-08-07T18:46:25Z amz31: quipa: you have quiet a lot of resources I read your code
2018-08-07T18:46:38Z quipa: I actually read the first chapter of K&R so I could read the geany code
2018-08-07T18:48:47Z quipa: ok sounds cool
2018-08-07T18:51:28Z amz31: there is demo how the database I was talking about works: youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMYh6f_jODg# it's 15 minutes
2018-08-07T18:51:48Z quipa: ah cool
2018-08-07T18:52:15Z quipa: I read a little bit of the beginning of your article
2018-08-07T18:52:25Z quipa: sounds like really interesting stuff
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2018-08-07T19:04:27Z quipa: hum looks interesting but think I have to look at your article to understand all that your doing
2018-08-07T19:04:37Z quipa: amz31: hum looks interesting but think I have to look at your article to understand all that your doing
2018-08-07T19:04:52Z quipa: but thanks for sharing :)
2018-08-07T19:06:00Z amz31: spam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFvX1a7Yxh4
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2018-08-07T19:13:48Z Zipheir: amz31: Is that the database you mentioned that uses minikanren for queries?
2018-08-07T19:13:59Z Zipheir: amz31: Also, o/
2018-08-07T19:14:36Z amz31: Zipheir: well, that the last version of it, I do not update to latest microkanren or whatever latest name of the project is
2018-08-07T19:15:17Z amz31: Like, supporting minikaren is 10 lines of code or so
2018-08-07T19:15:24Z Zipheir: amz31: Cool, I shall check it out.
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2018-08-07T19:16:07Z amz31: that's the mistake I've done, I should have started the new version with microkaren it would have been correct from the start
2018-08-07T19:16:28Z amz31: it's almost maybe is a complet rewrite
2018-08-07T19:16:35Z amz31: even the bindings code is new
2018-08-07T19:17:35Z Zipheir: I'm not clear on the major differences between mini- and microkanren.
2018-08-07T19:17:44Z Zipheir: But maybe I should just RTFM.
2018-08-07T19:26:44Z amz31: there is less code, but what you they are logically the same behavior, the syntax changes a bit but you can achieve the same transderivationnal search in the search space
2018-08-07T19:27:03Z amz31: I've been reading/watching stuff on a* algorithm, I think it get it
2018-08-07T19:28:00Z amz31: they add another input to the algorithm that you must somehow sort out, makes sens of it, and the algorihtm continue with the score
2018-08-07T19:28:27Z amz31: dijsktra afaiu use a single metric to compute the distance, A* use two metrics
2018-08-07T19:30:36Z wasamasa: the heuristic?
2018-08-07T19:33:02Z amz31: they sum the distance from the start (dijkstra) and the euclidian distance on a 2d space to the end
2018-08-07T19:33:31Z amz31: it's for computing the distance between two points inside a rail road system
2018-08-07T19:33:44Z amz31: s/rail//
2018-08-07T19:33:44Z wasamasa: sure, but I'm speaking of the general case
2018-08-07T19:33:53Z wasamasa: you can use A* for more than pathfinding on a 2d grid
2018-08-07T19:34:12Z amz31: how?
2018-08-07T19:34:56Z wasamasa: like, I coded up a program that figures out the best graph traversal
2018-08-07T19:35:04Z qu1j0t3: i think this is covered in AIMA
2018-08-07T19:35:06Z wasamasa: you'd need a different metric than for a 2d grid
2018-08-07T19:35:22Z wasamasa: an obvious one is the sum of costs per path segment
2018-08-07T19:35:58Z wasamasa: I added a heuristic that places an upper bound on the allowed maximum cost of a complete path to prune too expensive traversals
2018-08-07T19:36:28Z amz31: you keep around the discarded path?
2018-08-07T19:36:43Z wasamasa: no
2018-08-07T19:37:04Z wasamasa: I only keep useful paths that are cheaper than that bound
2018-08-07T19:37:11Z wasamasa: then I sort them and pick the cheapest
2018-08-07T19:37:31Z wasamasa: no idea whether this is A* though, more like breadth-first search with a heuristic :P
2018-08-07T19:37:33Z amz31: if the bound is rechead you throw?
2018-08-07T19:38:03Z amz31: I mean if you exaust solution, you do what?
2018-08-07T19:38:14Z wasamasa: then I fix my heuristic :P
2018-08-07T19:38:25Z amz31: is it a lazy beam search?
2018-08-07T19:38:48Z wasamasa: as I wrote before, if the bound is reached, the path is discarded
2018-08-07T19:38:50Z amz31: yeah then you keep around the path you computed, that's the faster solution.
2018-08-07T19:39:10Z wasamasa: FWIW, this is the problem: http://adventofcode.com/2015/day/22
2018-08-07T19:39:20Z amz31: you just make it harder to reach like cold storage
2018-08-07T19:39:46Z wasamasa: I think you could solve the problem by actually implementing A*
2018-08-07T19:40:29Z wasamasa: I like that it's not nearly as trivial as other problems, but I dislike that it pretty much calls for implementing the mechanics OOP-style
2018-08-07T19:41:06Z amz31: that's AOT optimizations
2018-08-07T19:41:38Z amz31: wasamasa: what would look like the brute force solution?
2018-08-07T19:42:24Z wasamasa: just enumerate the combinations of allowed graph traversal options with increasing length
2018-08-07T19:43:09Z amz31: that's BFS why not DFS?
2018-08-07T19:43:49Z wasamasa: you're looking for the cheapest way to win the game, so you'll naturally want to keep the depth as shallow as possible
2018-08-07T19:44:03Z wasamasa: if you start off by enumerating as deeply as possible, it's just a waste of time
2018-08-07T19:44:38Z amz31: tx
2018-08-07T19:45:40Z wasamasa: less moves -> less total cost
2018-08-07T19:46:33Z amz31: that's a similar thing I decribe in https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Recherche:Pens%C3%A9es_Profondes_et_Dialogues_Pertinents/Approche
2018-08-07T19:47:14Z amz31: it's approximatly computes results in cooperation with the human
2018-08-07T19:47:55Z amz31: now i adding a cost to bot interactions
2018-08-07T19:48:27Z amz31: so that free cost interactions are free and and others have units of cost
2018-08-07T19:49:18Z amz31: the conversation is persisted through time, even if the interaction of the user is append only like you still compute denormalized form of the knowledge of the human
2018-08-07T19:50:01Z amz31: to speed up computation
2018-08-07T19:50:30Z amz31: btw #opencog is back at trying to make sens of wikipedia statistically
2018-08-07T19:52:18Z amz31: decades of knowledge in scheme and... c++ and... java and... guile and... biwascheme soon enough
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2018-08-07T19:55:58Z wasamasa: biwascheme is a funny name
2018-08-07T19:56:09Z wasamasa: it reminds me of this one pokemon, bidoof
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2018-08-07T20:43:53Z Zipheir: rudybot: botsnack
2018-08-07T20:43:53Z rudybot: yay!
2018-08-07T20:44:09Z wasamasa: rudybot: keep the bot well-fed
2018-08-07T20:44:19Z rudybot: wasamasa: someone fed the bot some bogusly encoded data, I expect.
2018-08-07T20:46:48Z amz31: rudybot: what is culturia?
2018-08-07T20:46:54Z rudybot: amz31: what is culturia
2018-08-07T20:47:31Z amz31: rudybot: culturia is aggregation of transderivationnal search of algorithms
2018-08-07T20:47:35Z rudybot: amz31: there is less code, but what you they are logically the same behavior, the syntax changes a bit but you can achieve the same transderivationnal search in the search space
2018-08-07T20:48:17Z Zipheir: rudybot: Do you log everything?
2018-08-07T20:48:22Z rudybot: Zipheir: Rudybot (wrote by offby1) has handy tools. You can talk to them in private, with /msg <name>, everything said to them are search queries over the text wrote in #emacs, but without the name of the author (for privacy?). Some keywords like "seen <name>" permit to check the lasts messages of <name> on emacs. For a real "log", you could ask how to setup ZNC or similar tools always connected to #emacs. I do not do that
2018-08-07T20:49:01Z Zipheir: A political answer.
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2018-08-07T21:24:16Z jcowan: Zipheir: As a musician and programmer you should check out Pure, which is totally general-purpose but was written for computer music
2018-08-07T21:29:28Z wasamasa: huh, I wouldn't have guessed its intent
2018-08-07T21:31:57Z jcowan: Gräf is in the Dept of Computer Music at UniMainz
2018-08-07T21:32:40Z Zipheir: jcowan: Thanks, it looks quite interesting.
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2018-08-07T21:34:18Z jcowan: I love term rewriting languages, and Pure is "Haskell on the outside, Lisp on the inside, no constructor discipline required, wonderfully easy FFI"
2018-08-07T21:34:59Z wasamasa: what are others, Felix?
2018-08-07T21:35:19Z jcowan: oh yes, and define-syntax macros too!
2018-08-07T21:35:31Z Zipheir: Sounds good.
2018-08-07T21:35:54Z Zipheir: How does term rewriting differ from, uh, normal reduction in other functional languages?
2018-08-07T21:36:44Z wasamasa: combine with whole program compilation and you can inline everything
2018-08-07T21:38:29Z Zipheir: That just sounds like it's got a highly optimizing compiler.
2018-08-07T21:39:44Z jcowan: Lambda calculus is a special case of term rewriting.
2018-08-07T21:40:00Z jcowan: Namely the case in which the LHS has a simple (foo bar baz ...) form
2018-08-07T21:41:01Z jcowan: whereas in Pure you can write (foo (bar baz) (baz bar) quux) on the LHS, which will match (foo (1 2) (2 1) 3)
2018-08-07T21:41:25Z jcowan: (Pure uses Haskellish syntax, though, not Lisp syntax)
2018-08-07T21:42:08Z jcowan: It has clean interfaces with Pd, Faust, Octave, and Reduce.
2018-08-07T21:42:43Z Zipheir: Ah, I think I understand now.
2018-08-07T21:43:20Z Zipheir: Yeah, slightly confusing that it's totally different from Pure Data.
2018-08-07T21:43:24Z jcowan: so for example you can write Pure code and expose it as a Pd patch.
2018-08-07T21:43:59Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-08-07T21:44:50Z jcowan: Oh, and Gnumeric too
2018-08-07T21:45:06Z Zipheir: I’ll definitely investigate it. I’m really enjoying the functional approach to computer music, as opposed to CSound, SuperCollider, etc. Quite a bit cleaner, on the whole.
2018-08-07T21:46:03Z jcowan: ot
2018-08-07T21:48:09Z jcowan: it's grown quite a lot since I looked last:  OpenGL, GLPK, Gnuplot, GSL, GTK+, OSC, LV2, MIDI, Mpfr, ODBC, rational numbers, Reduce, SQLITE, STL, TK, libxml2/libxslt
2018-08-07T21:48:58Z jcowan: at one point I started to write a Chicken egg that let you embed Pure and interchange Lisp data structures with Pure ones, but I never finished it.
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2018-08-07T22:29:39Z daviid: fwiw, daveunix wrote an a* algorithm in scheme, guile scheme (don't know if it is portable)
2018-08-07T22:30:45Z daviid: I don't remember where it's 'gited' though, I'll try to find it
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2018-08-07T22:38:56Z daviid: here https://git.dthompson.us/chickadee.git/blob/HEAD:/chickadee/heap.scm
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2018-08-08T01:49:19Z siraben: Hey Zipheir
2018-08-08T01:49:41Z zacts: yo siraben
2018-08-08T01:49:53Z zacts: perhaps I'll finally get around to teaching myself some (scheme)
2018-08-08T01:52:37Z siraben: Hi zacts
2018-08-08T01:53:29Z zacts: hey siraben
2018-08-08T01:53:48Z zacts: are there any scheme bindings to supercollider?
2018-08-08T01:53:54Z zacts: or what were you using for your music?
2018-08-08T01:54:20Z siraben: I'm using Haskell, the libraries are Euterpea, HSoM
2018-08-08T01:54:33Z siraben: Also needed the SimpleSynth MIDI player
2018-08-08T01:54:43Z zacts: oh cool, ok
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2018-08-08T04:58:28Z OS-18137: is mit/gnu or racket better for working through sicp? i have a 1984 edition
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2018-08-08T04:59:53Z wasamasa: they're roughly equivalent
2018-08-08T05:00:19Z wasamasa: the weirdest thing you'll run into is the picture language, both have support for it
2018-08-08T05:01:56Z OS-18137: rad. can't wait to finally dive in
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2018-08-08T05:05:42Z siraben: wasamasa: Guile doesn't have the SICP picture language right?
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2018-08-08T05:07:31Z wasamasa: doubtful
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2018-08-08T05:07:41Z wasamasa: anyway, you can implement one yourself
2018-08-08T05:08:04Z wasamasa: someone made a SICP egg for CHICKEN where they just emit SVG to a file
2018-08-08T05:09:27Z daviid: rekado (#guix maintainer) wrote guile-pict, i don't have the link at my fingers but maybe duckduckgo finds it ...
2018-08-08T05:09:47Z wasamasa: https://www.mail-archive.com/guile-devel@gnu.org/msg14465.html
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2018-08-08T05:16:13Z tolja: Ooh, nice
2018-08-08T05:16:56Z tolja: I fired up racket just for the picture language part and then continued with guile
2018-08-08T05:18:06Z siraben: wasamasa: I'm working on emitting TikZ
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2018-08-08T05:18:41Z wasamasa: siraben: don't hate yourself, pal
2018-08-08T05:19:02Z siraben: wasamasa: What?
2018-08-08T05:20:14Z wasamasa: TikZ is german for "TikZ ain't no drawing program"
2018-08-08T05:20:30Z siraben: Right, I read the manual.
2018-08-08T05:20:34Z wasamasa: I'd go as far as "TikZ is meant to inflict huge pain on you"
2018-08-08T05:20:44Z siraben: Oh dear.
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2018-08-08T14:36:54Z amz32: the program of scheme2018 is online https://icfp18.sigplan.org/track/icfp-2018-papers#event-overview
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2018-08-08T14:50:38Z deuill: Nice! Hopefully more sessions are recorded this time around.
2018-08-08T14:57:48Z siraben: Where can I get the papers for previous years?
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2018-08-08T15:08:12Z siraben: There's also the http://schemeworkshop.org/
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2018-08-08T15:25:13Z amz32: ah!
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2018-08-09T00:00:10Z Zipheir: siraben: o/
2018-08-09T00:00:26Z siraben: Zipheir: hi
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2018-08-09T00:00:41Z siraben: Been going through more HSoM, transcribed something
2018-08-09T00:01:43Z siraben: Zipheir: https://paste.debian.net/1037213/
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2018-08-09T00:01:54Z siraben: Maybe you can guess from the variable name what it is :)
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2018-08-09T00:02:42Z Zipheir: siraben: Give me a second, I'll read it.
2018-08-09T00:02:46Z siraben: Ok, sure.
2018-08-09T00:03:29Z Zipheir: The Royal Theme :)
2018-08-09T00:03:48Z siraben: Yes, did you read GEB?
2018-08-09T00:03:53Z siraben: Or just IAASL?
2018-08-09T00:04:34Z Zipheir: I've read GEB, working on IAASL now.
2018-08-09T00:05:08Z siraben: What'd be cool is to transcribe the Crab Canon
2018-08-09T00:05:23Z siraben: Since it's just a reverse of itself, I just need to do it once and play in parallel with :=:
2018-08-09T00:05:59Z Zipheir: There are a couple little changes you'd have to handle, iirc.
2018-08-09T00:06:14Z siraben: Yeah
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2018-08-09T00:06:27Z Zipheir: That's a slightly complex Trill function.
2018-08-09T00:06:33Z siraben: It's from the book
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2018-08-09T00:07:10Z siraben: Maybe also transcribe that endlessly rising canon and modulate automatically
2018-08-09T00:07:23Z siraben: But perhaps what's more interesting is generating music
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2018-08-09T00:08:29Z Zipheir: Speaking of which, I've been thinking about that mini-kanren music generator.
2018-08-09T00:09:41Z Zipheir: As a first shot, I'd like to try to find some reasonable Scheme representation of melodies that can be built up compositionally (no pun intended) from little atomic phrases.
2018-08-09T00:11:04Z siraben: Haha, music and functional programming have a lot in common :)
2018-08-09T00:11:26Z siraben: Yeah, you could also define what acceptable transitions are between phrases
2018-08-09T00:11:33Z Zipheir: Right, that's the idea.
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2018-08-09T00:12:31Z siraben: something like (fresh (x xs) (== `(p q . rest) phrase) (withino p q 4))
2018-08-09T00:12:48Z siraben: So p and q don't jump like crazy, or like that
2018-08-09T00:12:48Z Zipheir: And you can determine how 'jumpy' or 'smooth' a melody is by some simple arithmetic, then use that to try to put together a 'good' melody.
2018-08-09T00:13:25Z siraben wonders how Mr Crabs plays Peano arithmetic statements on his flute.
2018-08-09T00:13:36Z Zipheir: See, you thought of that immediately, too.
2018-08-09T00:13:53Z Zipheir: (trying to get smooth melodies, I mean)
2018-08-09T00:14:02Z siraben: Right.
2018-08-09T00:14:35Z siraben: But there's nothing stopping you from going full John Cage.
2018-08-09T00:14:57Z siraben: De gustibus non est disputandum
2018-08-09T00:15:01Z Zipheir: That's easy. Just call (random ...) a lot. :)
2018-08-09T00:15:25Z siraben: Hah I don't know how to do random numbers in Haskell yet
2018-08-09T00:15:36Z siraben: Probably have to wrap it in a monad
2018-08-09T00:15:59Z aeth: random numbers would prevent the determinism of the program, and thus the compiler verification of the program, and thus shouldn't be allowed in a language like Haskell
2018-08-09T00:16:07Z Zipheir: The random number generation has to happen within the IO monad, since it's not pure.
2018-08-09T00:16:22Z Zipheir: But it's easy in Scheme :)
2018-08-09T00:17:03Z siraben: I wonder if Haskell is overcomplicating things sometimes
2018-08-09T00:17:04Z Riastradh: aeth: Not at all.  The program just has to specify where it depends on that in the type system.
2018-08-09T00:17:38Z Riastradh: Thus if a part of the program does _not_ specify that in its type, you can be sure it is deterministic.
2018-08-09T00:19:36Z siraben: Zipheir: What if my call to random in Haskell produces a 0 and I use it in a division?
2018-08-09T00:19:56Z Zipheir: siraben: So I'm re-reading Reasoned Schemer today, and it seems a little tricky to connect relational and functional code. It's almost like working with streams in scheme--if you mix things up, weird things happen.
2018-08-09T00:20:25Z Zipheir: siraben: You need to check that that doesn't happen.
2018-08-09T00:20:35Z Zipheir: siraben: Haskell's not unique in that.
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2018-08-09T00:22:41Z siraben: Oof Reasoned Schemer is in this weird dialogue format
2018-08-09T00:23:08Z siraben: Yeah, streams are implemented with lambdas, so it's hard to debug exactly what's going on.
2018-08-09T00:23:09Z Zipheir: I guess Someone™ needs to write "Practical Mini-Kanren".
2018-08-09T00:23:40Z siraben: Get that Practical Common Lisp author to do it
2018-08-09T00:23:42Z siraben: Practical Scheme
2018-08-09T00:24:07Z siraben: (sounds a little oxymoronic, but oh well)
2018-08-09T00:25:09Z Zipheir: I usually run from books with phrases like "Real World" or "Practical" in their titles. :)
2018-08-09T00:25:29Z aeth: Impractical Rare Scheme
2018-08-09T00:25:32Z siraben: Oh but Practical Common Lisp is good
2018-08-09T00:25:43Z aeth: Zipheir: That's probably more of the publisher's decision than the author's
2018-08-09T00:25:47Z pjb: Impractical Fantasy Scheme.
2018-08-09T00:26:03Z Zipheir: But so many mini-kanren essays/videos/etc. don't provide many practical examples.
2018-08-09T00:26:11Z siraben: Zipheir: There's also books with "Thinking" in their title... "Thinking Forth" "Thinking in Java" etc.
2018-08-09T00:26:20Z siraben: Zipheir: Hey look, relational append!
2018-08-09T00:26:25Z pjb: "Scheme Applications to Fantasy and Fairy Worlds".
2018-08-09T00:26:42Z siraben: I'd really like to see a paper on automatically converting scheme procedures to minikanren
2018-08-09T00:26:47Z siraben: to relational ones
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2018-08-09T00:27:19Z siraben: Zipheir: It's been done by Nada Amin, another published FP researcher https://github.com/namin/staged-miniKanren
2018-08-09T00:27:23Z Zipheir: siraben: Even Richard Bird's editors like that trend (_Thinking Functionally_ is his latest one)
2018-08-09T00:27:26Z pjb: "Reasonably Seasonned Scheme Schemer".
2018-08-09T00:27:28Z siraben: IIRC she works with Will Byrd as well
2018-08-09T00:27:45Z Zipheir: pjb: The Scheming Seasoner
2018-08-09T00:27:53Z siraben: Zipheir: There's a lot of interesting questions at the bottom of that GitHub page.
2018-08-09T00:28:02Z siraben: "Can we collapse towers of interpreters? What would be interesting towers to try to collapse?"
2018-08-09T00:28:15Z pjb: "Database Management with Scheme for the Narnia World".
2018-08-09T00:28:42Z siraben: Programming language semantics is an interesting field, minikanren is like a gateway drug into that
2018-08-09T00:29:04Z Zipheir: siraben: That's not a question you read everyday.
2018-08-09T00:29:20Z siraben: "Can we meta-run backwards? That is, can we run the staged interpreter with a partially known expression or partially known output? What about constraints like quines?"
2018-08-09T00:29:31Z siraben: Should get Oleg to work on this
2018-08-09T00:29:40Z Zipheir: Oh, Nada Amin is the "Programming Should Eat Itself" person. Everything is explained.
2018-08-09T00:29:55Z siraben: Oleg'd probably make relational macros!
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2018-08-09T00:32:07Z siraben: I'd like to see more graphics stuff in Scheme
2018-08-09T00:32:12Z Zipheir: pjb: Are you auto-generating these?
2018-08-09T00:32:30Z pjb: Since the most difficult is to find the title, now that we have academic paper title generators, we should be able to write tons of interesting papers.
2018-08-09T00:32:33Z pjb: Yep.
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2018-08-09T00:32:43Z siraben: pjb: Generating with Scheme?
2018-08-09T00:32:49Z Zipheir: pjb: I love academic paper title generators.
2018-08-09T00:32:58Z siraben: Zipheir: I didn't know those existed
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2018-08-09T00:33:34Z siraben: Zipheir: That Programming Should Eat Itself talk messed with my head
2018-08-09T00:33:36Z pjb: siraben: perhaps, they're on the web.
2018-08-09T00:33:37Z Zipheir: There are a lot, a quick search should give you some examples.
2018-08-09T00:33:59Z siraben: Zipheir: I think we should make one in minikanren :)
2018-08-09T00:34:02Z Zipheir: I find them hilarious, but there are probably people who use them for college essays...
2018-08-09T00:34:15Z siraben: I should really move on to the full blown minikanren system instead of my microkanren system
2018-08-09T00:34:18Z siraben: I don't even have =/=
2018-08-09T00:34:44Z siraben: Probably the best resource right now for minikanren is Will Byrd's thesis
2018-08-09T00:34:46Z Zipheir: I wrote a clickbait-generating markov program in Awk (of all things) once. It was good for a laugh.
2018-08-09T00:35:36Z siraben: Ha
2018-08-09T00:35:45Z Zipheir: siraben: Is that the paper called "From variadic <xs> to relational <ys>" or something?
2018-08-09T00:35:58Z siraben: Zipheir: Which paper?
2018-08-09T00:36:04Z Zipheir: Byrd's thesis.
2018-08-09T00:36:30Z siraben: https://github.com/webyrd/dissertation-single-spaced
2018-08-09T00:36:36Z siraben: "Relational Programming in miniKanren: Techniques, Applications, and Implementations"
2018-08-09T00:36:44Z siraben: Note the word "Applications"
2018-08-09T00:37:06Z Zipheir: What a horribly boring title :)
2018-08-09T00:38:05Z Zipheir: I guess you don't become a Doctor of Philosophy by being witty.
2018-08-09T00:38:23Z siraben: https://github.com/webyrd/dissertation-single-spaced/blob/master/thesis.tex#L15
2018-08-09T00:38:31Z siraben: Apparently he considered putting "Obstacles" in the title
2018-08-09T00:39:02Z siraben: When in doubt, read the LaTeX source :)
2018-08-09T00:40:26Z siraben: Zipheir: I'd like to see this done in Scheme https://github.com/mark-gerarts/nature-of-code
2018-08-09T00:40:32Z siraben: Maybe in a picture language :)
2018-08-09T00:40:49Z Zipheir: Obviously he should have just used the unofficial slogan from his wallpaper. "MiniKanren: Freshness Is Magic"
2018-08-09T00:41:24Z Zipheir: Actually, it was "My Little Kanren", of course.
2018-08-09T00:42:09Z siraben: Zipheir: Know of good graphics programming libraries for Scheme?
2018-08-09T00:42:10Z Zipheir: Oh, this uses trivial-gamekit. Nice example.
2018-08-09T00:42:21Z siraben: Yeah, I'm going through trivial-gamekit
2018-08-09T00:43:18Z Zipheir: I don't know any good graphics libraries, but someone else in here probably knows more about it.
2018-08-09T00:44:22Z Zipheir: Most Schemes have an OpenGL library, but that's super general, of course.
2018-08-09T00:45:06Z siraben: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/guile-tut/tutorial.html
2018-08-09T00:45:21Z siraben: This is the only tutorial I've seen with graphics in an implementation of Scheme
2018-08-09T00:45:36Z siraben: It's a good example too
2018-08-09T00:45:40Z Zipheir: Oh, and cairo libraries are pretty common.
2018-08-09T00:45:48Z siraben: Zipheir: Imagine if the C program was interfaced with a MIDI player and you had a scheme REPL!
2018-08-09T00:46:30Z Zipheir: siraben: What C program? Sorry, I missed something.
2018-08-09T00:46:37Z siraben: Zipheir: in that guile link
2018-08-09T00:46:44Z siraben: They write a turtle program in C
2018-08-09T00:46:54Z Zipheir: Oh, from the tutorial.
2018-08-09T00:47:01Z Zipheir: OK, I'm reading it now.
2018-08-09T00:48:52Z Zipheir: Wow, Firefox really doesn't like xmonad. Or maybe the hatred is mutual.
2018-08-09T00:49:01Z siraben: Hey... using gnuplot would be good for the SICP picture language
2018-08-09T00:49:13Z siraben: like in that tutorial
2018-08-09T00:51:02Z Zipheir: CHICKEN has a bunch of plotting libraries, Guile probably does too.
2018-08-09T00:51:53Z Zipheir: Title for a Scheme data course "Plotting in Scheme"
2018-08-09T00:53:20Z siraben: Python considered harmful: Scientific Computing in Scheme
2018-08-09T00:55:16Z Zipheir: Damn, so many scientists seem to be getting into Python...
2018-08-09T00:55:32Z siraben: Peter Norvig said Python is a good Lisp.
2018-08-09T00:55:36Z siraben: I beg to defer.
2018-08-09T00:56:07Z siraben: s/defer/differ
2018-08-09T00:56:12Z Zipheir: There's probably a lot of Python in space.
2018-08-09T00:56:37Z Zipheir: Which is not quite as scary as the International Space Station running systemd. O_O
2018-08-09T00:56:46Z Zipheir: (Which it does)
2018-08-09T00:57:08Z siraben: The Philae lander used Forth!!!
2018-08-09T00:58:36Z Zipheir: I always thought ESA was a sensible organization :)
2018-08-09T00:59:11Z siraben: Programming for spacecraft must be very intense
2018-08-09T01:00:22Z siraben: Embedded system, tolerant to intense electromagnetic radiation, very cold temperatures 0.0
2018-08-09T01:01:10Z Zipheir: siraben: I love this photo, it gives you a sense of how bare-metal the Apollo missions were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(scientist)#/media/File:Margaret_Hamilton_-_restoration.jpg
2018-08-09T01:02:19Z siraben: Nice
2018-08-09T01:03:36Z Zipheir: There's no way you could stand in the same room with hardcopies of the code for a modern mission. :)
2018-08-09T01:04:45Z siraben: Zipheir: So what do you think of that tutorial?
2018-08-09T01:05:08Z Zipheir: It's pretty good.
2018-08-09T01:06:17Z Zipheir: I haven't done much with embedded Scheme. I find Guile docs kind of confusing since they're always explaining the C and Scheme interfaces at the same time.
2018-08-09T01:07:02Z siraben: Except for something really Schemey like define-syntax, the docs are pretty good there
2018-08-09T01:07:11Z Zipheir: Right
2018-08-09T01:07:17Z siraben: But I agree, a lot of times they put in C function declarations
2018-08-09T01:08:16Z siraben: Zipheir: Know of good guides for define-record-type?
2018-08-09T01:08:36Z siraben: Well, perhaps the reference is sufficient.
2018-08-09T01:08:42Z siraben: When were they introduced, R6RS?
2018-08-09T01:08:59Z Zipheir: siraben: It's really simple... https://wiki.call-cc.org/records-and-oop#define-record-type
2018-08-09T01:09:06Z siraben: Ok.
2018-08-09T01:09:28Z Zipheir: siraben: You will see the example there and go "Oh. I get it." :)
2018-08-09T01:09:32Z siraben: Zipheir: Wow, it is.  Such a thing would've further reduced the length of SICP
2018-08-09T01:09:55Z siraben: Throw in pattern matching, record types, macros into SICP and it could probably be cut in half
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2018-08-09T01:10:47Z Zipheir: You'd need to explain macros and pattern matching, but record types are easy.
2018-08-09T01:12:19Z Zipheir: There's also define-record, basically from CL. It does a lot automagically, which is good and bad.
2018-08-09T01:12:41Z siraben: Yeah, how do make slots read-only?
2018-08-09T01:12:45Z siraben: to*
2018-08-09T01:12:53Z siraben: Omit the mutator?
2018-08-09T01:13:02Z Zipheir: Yes.
2018-08-09T01:13:03Z siraben: Whoa, this is a good abstraction.
2018-08-09T01:13:29Z siraben: OOP is useful to some degree
2018-08-09T01:14:56Z Zipheir: Record types are super useful in general.
2018-08-09T01:15:46Z Zipheir: siraben: SRFI-17 provides a nice extension for mutators.
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2018-08-09T01:17:20Z siraben: I should get into reading SRFIs
2018-08-09T01:17:30Z Zipheir: siraben: If you've got a 'point' record type with point-x and point-y accessors, SRFI-17 lets you write (set! (point-x p) 10) instead of (set-point-x! p 10).
2018-08-09T01:17:31Z siraben: Any ones that stand out?
2018-08-09T01:17:50Z siraben: Zipheir: That reminds me of (setq (point-x p) 10) in CL
2018-08-09T01:18:00Z siraben: Because (point-x p) actually returns multiple values
2018-08-09T01:18:00Z Zipheir: Yeah, it should look familiar.
2018-08-09T01:18:13Z siraben: One is a pointer to the memory location which can be accessed with setq
2018-08-09T01:18:15Z Zipheir: siraben: Check out SRFI-1, for starters!
2018-08-09T01:18:40Z siraben: So SRFIs need to be implemented at the interpreter level?
2018-08-09T01:18:56Z Zipheir: siraben: A classic. https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1.html
2018-08-09T01:19:33Z siraben: Nice, reading it.
2018-08-09T01:20:22Z siraben: "The value returned by for-each is unspecified"...Guile literally interprets this as #<unspecified>
2018-08-09T01:20:50Z Zipheir: A lot of Schemes do. Some people think that sucks.
2018-08-09T01:21:13Z siraben: Well, it's Scheme's way of saying "undefined behavior" without all the undefinedness
2018-08-09T01:21:29Z siraben: What do the Schemes that don't use #<unspecified> return?
2018-08-09T01:23:09Z Zipheir: It depends on the procedure. In some cases returning #f or () might be OK, if it's unambiguous.
2018-08-09T01:24:04Z Zipheir: Returning #<unspecified> is still less suprising than making demons fly out of your nose, as jcowan likes to say.
2018-08-09T01:24:41Z jcowan: Unspecified is different from undefined
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2018-08-09T01:25:09Z jcowan: unspecified means you get back one value but you can't predict what it will be; undefined ("is an error") means anything can happen, including an exception or a crash
2018-08-09T01:25:39Z Zipheir: Ah, sorry.
2018-08-09T01:25:53Z Zipheir: Is the result of evaluating an unspecified value undefined?
2018-08-09T01:25:54Z siraben: Ah I see.
2018-08-09T01:26:38Z jcowan: You mean evaluating it with 'eval'?
2018-08-09T01:27:11Z Zipheir: Yes.
2018-08-09T01:27:19Z jcowan: It's undefined to evaluate anything that isn't a Scheme expression or definition with 'eval'
2018-08-09T01:28:28Z jcowan: so for example (eval (make-foo ...)) is undefined, because a record object is not an S-expression
2018-08-09T01:29:36Z Zipheir: Right, I understand.
2018-08-09T01:30:39Z Zipheir: But since the value of (for-each ...), say, is unspecified, a perverse implementation could return an sexp?
2018-08-09T01:31:00Z jcowan: Indeed, returning () or #f would be reasonable
2018-08-09T01:31:07Z jcowan: and those are sexps
2018-08-09T01:31:11Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-08-09T01:31:40Z Zipheir: Sorry for silly questions, jcowan.
2018-08-09T01:32:07Z jcowan: No, they're good questions
2018-08-09T01:33:21Z jcowan: For example, (if #f #f) returns #<unspecified> in most Schemes, with these exceptions:
2018-08-09T01:33:23Z jcowan: (if #f #f) => #f: Bigloo, JScheme, Dream, Owl Lisp
2018-08-09T01:33:23Z jcowan: (if #f #f) => (): NexJ, TinyScheme, Elk, UMB, Llava, Dfsch, Inlab
2018-08-09T01:33:23Z jcowan: (if #f #f) => #t: Shoe, FemtoLisp
2018-08-09T01:33:23Z jcowan: (if #f #f) => a value which is both #f and (): XLisp, Rep
2018-08-09T01:34:21Z jcowan: in Racket it's a syntax error unless the continuation expects zero values, as in (begin (if #f #f) 0)
2018-08-09T01:34:32Z Zipheir: I remember that list, and "a value which is both #f and ()" is still an eye-opener.
2018-08-09T01:35:25Z jcowan: That reflects CL, and R4RS is the first RnRS that requires #f and () to be non-eq?.
2018-08-09T01:36:01Z jcowan: or no, it's IEEE (which is between R4RS and R5RS)
2018-08-09T01:36:18Z siraben: Zipheir: A value that is both #f and () ?
2018-08-09T01:36:19Z jcowan: R4RS permits them to be eq?, but warns you that this may chnage.
2018-08-09T01:36:54Z siraben: Isn't () considered #t by most Schemes? (if '() 3 4) => 3
2018-08-09T01:37:00Z Zipheir: jcowan: Thanks, that makes that behavior more comprehensible.
2018-08-09T01:37:06Z siraben: So what does (if (if #f #f) 1 2) output?
2018-08-09T01:37:39Z siraben: (if (if #f #f) 1 2) => 1 in guile
2018-08-09T01:37:46Z Zipheir: siraben: See the list jcowan pasted above
2018-08-09T01:38:11Z siraben: Right
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2018-08-09T01:38:26Z siraben: #<unspecified> is truthy then
2018-08-09T01:38:33Z Zipheir: siraben: That's what I'd expect, given the definition of #f is scheme.
2018-08-09T01:38:42Z Zipheir: "everything is true except #f"
2018-08-09T01:38:58Z Zipheir: s/is scheme/in scheme/
2018-08-09T01:38:58Z siraben: Poor #f
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2018-08-09T01:40:24Z Zipheir: That is actually a brilliant definition. So many languages have weird ideas of how values map to booleans.
2018-08-09T01:40:36Z siraben: Is 0 the only false in C?
2018-08-09T01:40:43Z Zipheir: e.g. PHP. 0 = false, 0.0 = true.
2018-08-09T01:40:54Z aeth: siraben: Languages inspired by C or Unix behave the same way, usually
2018-08-09T01:41:15Z siraben: Ahem, in Forth 0 is true and anything else is false.
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2018-08-09T01:41:27Z siraben: But you can modify it to do as you please
2018-08-09T01:41:41Z siraben: modify the if statement I mean
2018-08-09T01:41:48Z Zipheir: C programmers like to abuse the lack of a boolean type, especially.
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2018-08-09T01:42:02Z aeth: Also, early LISP had 0 as false, iirc. McCarthy called it "pornographic programing". https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8547142/what-did-john-mccarthy-mean-by-pornographic-programming
2018-08-09T01:42:12Z Zipheir: lol
2018-08-09T01:42:15Z siraben: lol
2018-08-09T01:42:57Z aeth: C programmers love their pornographic programming, of course.
2018-08-09T01:43:23Z Zipheir: Commit message: "Remove porn"
2018-08-09T01:43:37Z aeth: Well, I mean, it's a good argument for C being NSFW
2018-08-09T01:43:46Z Zipheir: rudybot: ba-dum!
2018-08-09T01:43:47Z rudybot: Zipheir: Ba-dum TISH!
2018-08-09T01:43:59Z aeth: Of course, C programmers hate safety, too, so that won't convince them
2018-08-09T01:44:08Z siraben: What's so bad about safety?
2018-08-09T01:44:21Z siraben: Is it for eFfIcIeNcY?
2018-08-09T01:44:40Z aeth: siraben: It *usually* slightly slows you down and adds RAM usage and adds a runtime, unless, of course, you only have statically determined safety
2018-08-09T01:45:21Z siraben: C programmers have this mentality that you don't need extra checks and balances unless you're a bad programmer
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2018-08-09T01:45:39Z siraben: Which is odd
2018-08-09T01:45:43Z Zipheir: A mentality that has cost untold billions of dollars in damage.
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2018-08-09T01:46:02Z siraben: Oh, the irony.
2018-08-09T01:46:57Z Zipheir: To be fair, C was Thompson & Ritchie's pet project. I don't think they anticipated it being so heavily used.
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2018-08-09T01:52:08Z siraben: It was?
2018-08-09T01:52:12Z siraben: A pet project?
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2018-08-09T01:54:54Z Zipheir: Well, it first ran on the original UNIX implementation, which Ken Thompson wrote because he wanted to play SPACEWAR on an old PDP-11, I think.
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2018-08-09T01:56:29Z Zipheir: And early C was barely structured and totally unspecified. The joke, I believe, was that a C compiler had to be able to handle pretty much any random C-like string.
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2018-08-09T01:57:16Z Zipheir: ANSI C was really a godsend. Old C programs are _dirty_.
2018-08-09T01:57:28Z Zipheir: Well, new C programs are dirty. Whatever. :)
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2018-08-09T01:59:49Z siraben: Well, let's hope Rust gains traction and replaces C
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2018-08-09T02:01:17Z jcowan: I'm pretty sure that 0.0 and (random *)0 are both falsy in C
2018-08-09T02:02:00Z jcowan: The story in Scheme is that only #f is falsy and all other values are truthy, but in pre-IEEE versions of Scheme, #f and () were allowed to be the same object in the ssejse of eq?.
2018-08-09T02:02:11Z jcowan: sense, that is
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2018-08-09T02:23:22Z aeth: Zipheir: Don't worry, now we have web browsers to handle any arbitrary string
2018-08-09T02:27:56Z Zipheir: aeth: They also save you the trouble of deciding whether to run said string or not.
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2018-08-09T07:15:12Z wasamasa: siraben: you remind me that I planned eventually releasing this circle-squared.scm thing
2018-08-09T07:15:26Z wasamasa: siraben: I even planned to turn it into a mastodon bot
2018-08-09T07:16:59Z siraben: wasamasa: Really?  Nice.  Can I see it?
2018-08-09T07:17:12Z wasamasa: it's code ported from an ancient scheme book
2018-08-09T07:17:52Z ecraven: which book? ;)
2018-08-09T07:18:38Z wasamasa: [Michael Eisenberg, Harold Abelson, Julie Sussman] Programming in Scheme (1987)
2018-08-09T07:19:58Z ecraven: is it a good book?
2018-08-09T07:20:35Z wasamasa: it's a better programming introduction than SICP
2018-08-09T07:20:37Z wasamasa: like, way better
2018-08-09T07:20:48Z wasamasa: unfortunately they use "PC Scheme" which died along with the IBM PC
2018-08-09T07:21:00Z ecraven: cool, I'll have a look. thanks for the reference!
2018-08-09T07:21:13Z wasamasa: to honor the IBM CGA graphics my port of that program uses the original color palette
2018-08-09T07:21:43Z ecraven: was pcscheme any RnRS? or its own thing?
2018-08-09T07:22:22Z wasamasa: if I had to guess, R4RS
2018-08-09T07:22:26Z wasamasa: but let me check the book
2018-08-09T07:22:55Z ecraven: then most of it should still work ok, right? or do they use a lot of pcscheme specific functions?
2018-08-09T07:23:10Z wasamasa: they use its graphics extensions for that program
2018-08-09T07:23:50Z wasamasa: here, have some screenshots: https://niu.moe/@wasamasa/99910498378166361
2018-08-09T07:24:23Z ecraven: nice!
2018-08-09T07:24:51Z wasamasa: everything else apart from that worked just fine in CHICKEN
2018-08-09T07:24:55Z ecraven: cool
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2018-08-09T07:27:10Z wasamasa: PC Scheme also includes an Edwin editor :P
2018-08-09T07:27:31Z wasamasa: so who knows, maybe there's some port to MIT-Scheme
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2018-08-09T07:27:52Z siraben: wasamasa: A book better than SICP?  I'm in.
2018-08-09T07:28:02Z wasamasa: better as a programming introduction
2018-08-09T07:28:11Z wasamasa: many people seem to mistake SICP for a way to learn programming
2018-08-09T07:28:19Z wasamasa: I'd rather direct them to that book
2018-08-09T07:28:33Z siraben has recommend some people to learn programming from SICP T_T
2018-08-09T07:28:40Z siraben: Now I just say python or something like that
2018-08-09T07:29:03Z siraben: It seems that the parens really do mess people up... not everyone uses Emacs.
2018-08-09T07:29:20Z siraben: wasamasa: I'll take a look at that book.
2018-08-09T07:30:09Z wasamasa: another interesting feature of PC Scheme they touch are windows you can write to, much like output ports
2018-08-09T07:30:24Z ecraven: like CL streams?
2018-08-09T07:30:33Z ecraven: well, CLIM really
2018-08-09T07:30:39Z wasamasa: well, the result appears in an actual window :D
2018-08-09T07:30:52Z wasamasa: later they mention windows are a specialized form of ports
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2018-08-09T07:32:03Z ecraven: yea, that's like CLIM. you have a stream for the window's contents
2018-08-09T07:32:11Z ecraven: you can write text and images to it
2018-08-09T07:32:22Z ecraven: (or at least that's how I understand it, my CLIM-fu is sadly lacking)
2018-08-09T07:32:34Z wasamasa: another thing reminding me of MIT-Scheme is the debugger
2018-08-09T07:33:13Z wasamasa: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/lang/scheme/impl/pcscheme/pcs/0.html
2018-08-09T07:33:15Z wasamasa: R3RS
2018-08-09T07:36:18Z ecraven: ah, thank you
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2018-08-09T07:37:10Z wasamasa: there's also a "The implementation of PC Scheme" book
2018-08-09T07:37:54Z wasamasa: err, paper
2018-08-09T07:39:11Z wasamasa: hm, there's also a turtle exercise, that might make for a more interesting conversational bot
2018-08-09T07:39:18Z ecraven: aaand of course our university does *not* have free access to that paper
2018-08-09T07:39:41Z wasamasa: ._.
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2018-08-09T07:39:56Z wasamasa: anyway, the manual should be freely available and more interesting
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2018-08-09T12:21:07Z quipa: Pull request to add Lisp dialects support in geany https://github.com/geany/geany/pull/1922
2018-08-09T12:22:05Z quipa: Any changes are welcome!
2018-08-09T12:22:25Z ecraven: nice, but not Emacs :-/
2018-08-09T12:22:51Z quipa: well Emacs support already exists no?
2018-08-09T12:22:58Z ecraven: could be better ;)
2018-08-09T12:23:02Z quipa: anyways the more the merrier
2018-08-09T12:23:05Z ecraven: indeed
2018-08-09T12:23:13Z quipa: whatever editor people use :)
2018-08-09T12:24:41Z quipa: also going to distribute in my own repo (and geany wiki) basic global tags file (pipe format) for autocompletion (for now R5RS)
2018-08-09T12:25:04Z quipa: ctags file would be better, but the existing ctags parsers are a bit poor
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2018-08-09T12:58:29Z deuill: Doesn't Geany use Scintilla? Or am I living in the past?
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2018-08-09T13:27:05Z quipa: yup! scintilla for the lexer
2018-08-09T13:27:15Z quipa: for the parser it uses ctags
2018-08-09T13:27:49Z quipa: it's a bit strange, don't think the two are well integrated (in fact the ctags parser is one in the wider sense)
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2018-08-09T14:43:33Z jusss: how I can use that reduce function???
2018-08-09T14:43:56Z jusss: I saw provided from event, but how to import that?
2018-08-09T14:44:16Z jusss: (require event) (module event racket) ????
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2018-08-09T18:23:32Z Zipheir: wasamasa: What was the name of that old Scheme book you mentioned earlier? I restarted my client and lost the scrollback.
2018-08-09T18:26:41Z qu1j0t3:   wasamasa | there's also a "The implementation of PC Scheme" book
2018-08-09T18:26:43Z qu1j0t3:   wasamasa | err, paper
2018-08-09T18:27:06Z qu1j0t3:   wasamasa | [Michael Eisenberg, Harold Abelson, Julie Sussman] Programming in Scheme (1987)
2018-08-09T18:27:08Z qu1j0t3:    ecraven | is it a good book?
2018-08-09T18:27:10Z qu1j0t3:   wasamasa | it's a better programming introduction than SICP
2018-08-09T18:27:17Z qu1j0t3: ^^ strongly agree, sicp doesn't teach scheme or programming
2018-08-09T18:27:32Z qu1j0t3 used Abelson and Eisenberg
2018-08-09T18:27:51Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: ty
2018-08-09T18:27:57Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: So what does SICP teach?
2018-08-09T18:28:27Z qu1j0t3: basically what it says in the title
2018-08-09T18:28:53Z qu1j0t3: but it's not for beginners, and doesn't try to teach scheme from zero
2018-08-09T18:29:51Z qu1j0t3: honestly the book wasamasa recommended is the one i usually recommend for that
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2018-08-09T18:31:54Z Zipheir: Seems to be outdated and pretty hard to find.
2018-08-09T18:33:06Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: I agree that SICP doesn't really teach Scheme, let alone Scheme from zero. But it certainly teaches programming!
2018-08-09T18:33:16Z qu1j0t3: aspects of, sure
2018-08-09T18:33:30Z qu1j0t3: but if you've never written a program before, it seems nightmarish
2018-08-09T18:37:41Z Zipheir: It does require a bit of the old brain.
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2018-08-09T18:42:21Z qu1j0t3: i like the recursion drills in it
2018-08-09T18:42:28Z qu1j0t3: CHapter 1 ...
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2018-08-09T18:52:24Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: In _Programming In Scheme_ or SICP?
2018-08-09T18:52:36Z qu1j0t3: sicp
2018-08-09T18:52:54Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Right.
2018-08-09T18:52:59Z qu1j0t3: i really needed programming in scheme back when i began learning it. e.g. I needed to really understand environments.
2018-08-09T18:53:16Z qu1j0t3: had to do the exercises and walk through the pointer and box diagrams and so on.
2018-08-09T18:54:21Z Zipheir: SICP does introduce environments early enough (midway through the book, iirc).
2018-08-09T18:54:50Z Zipheir: What I like about SICP is that they use the simpler substitution model until it breaks down.
2018-08-09T18:55:05Z wasamasa: keep in mind that Michael Eisenberg is the author, Harold Abelson did the editing and Julie Sussman provided the foreword
2018-08-09T18:55:20Z Zipheir: wasamasa: Ah, ok.
2018-08-09T18:56:59Z Zipheir: That cover looks familiar, although I don't think I've ever managed to find a copy.
2018-08-09T18:57:15Z wasamasa: the internets got you covered
2018-08-09T18:57:39Z wasamasa: I'd like to see a second revision though, ideally using some open-source scheme implementation :P
2018-08-09T18:57:50Z Zipheir: Unlike SICP it hasn't been Creative Commons'd
2018-08-09T19:03:11Z Zipheir: Yes, there is definitely a gap for a basic text, somewhere between SICP, TSPL and The Little Schemer--none of which are ideal for really new Schemers, imho.
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2018-08-10T01:17:46Z siraben: Zipheir: \o
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2018-08-10T01:28:02Z Zipheir: siraben: o/
2018-08-10T01:28:28Z Zipheir: siraben: Anything new?
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2018-08-10T01:30:52Z siraben: Learned what a typeclass is haha
2018-08-10T01:32:42Z Zipheir: Good! They're super useful.
2018-08-10T01:32:51Z Zipheir: In Haskell, or some LISP implementation?
2018-08-10T01:32:55Z siraben: Beginning to see the power of Haskell
2018-08-10T01:33:00Z siraben: ^Haskell
2018-08-10T01:33:07Z Zipheir: Yarr.
2018-08-10T01:33:23Z siraben: But having implemented languages I keep thinking about how I would add it to a language
2018-08-10T01:33:47Z siraben: Meta-circular style
2018-08-10T01:34:15Z Zipheir: As jcowan pointed out last week, I think, Scheme's comparators implement the Ord and Eq classes.
2018-08-10T01:34:35Z siraben: Right.
2018-08-10T01:35:12Z Zipheir: And comparators are just bundles of functions https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-128/
2018-08-10T01:35:41Z Zipheir: Have you gotten into Functor, Applicative and Monad?
2018-08-10T01:35:59Z siraben: Aww, HSoM's section on the Functor class is incomplete
2018-08-10T01:36:08Z siraben: "TBD"
2018-08-10T01:36:30Z Zipheir: And it's not like Hudak's about to complete it, sadly.
2018-08-10T01:37:08Z siraben: There's plenty of resources out there, so I'll cover it.
2018-08-10T01:37:35Z Zipheir: No rush. :)
2018-08-10T01:38:36Z Zipheir: I found out today that miniKanren uses monads internally.
2018-08-10T01:39:22Z siraben: Oh yeah so does microkanren
2018-08-10T01:39:24Z Zipheir: The implementation still melts my brain a bit.
2018-08-10T01:39:25Z siraben: How did you find out?
2018-08-10T01:39:36Z siraben: I can't penetrate minikanren's source
2018-08-10T01:39:49Z Zipheir: The 'Connecting The Wires' chapter of the reasoned schemer.
2018-08-10T01:39:50Z siraben: And that 32 lines of scheme for microkanren is still mind-melting
2018-08-10T01:39:58Z Zipheir: Yeah, it's amazing code.
2018-08-10T01:40:33Z siraben: It's crazy because it nothing _new_, we already know all the special forms and what not
2018-08-10T01:40:41Z Zipheir: Dan Friedman said you need to stare at the minikanren code for a year to get it.
2018-08-10T01:40:51Z siraben: I thought he was joking haha
2018-08-10T01:40:56Z siraben: But it seems reasonable.
2018-08-10T01:41:34Z siraben: I once executed a microkanren trace on paper to see what is actually going on
2018-08-10T01:41:58Z siraben: In my implemented (lambda ...) is hidden as #<procedure> in the traces
2018-08-10T01:42:04Z siraben: s/implemented/implementation
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2018-08-10T01:42:17Z siraben: Or!  One could use a meta-circular evaluator to see the procedure contents
2018-08-10T01:43:01Z Zipheir: It is pretty hard to debug kanren programs.
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2018-08-10T01:50:32Z Zipheir: siraben: I think The Reasoned Schemer, like the other Little books, needs to be read at least twice. Even if you have fun with those books, you still have to come back and figure out what the hell you just did.
2018-08-10T01:51:11Z Zipheir: siraben: I'm trying to pry the secrets out of Reasoned Schemer, atm. It's going to involve lots of toy projects, I think.
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2018-08-10T01:56:47Z Zipheir: siraben: Oh, and if you get the Functor bug, I highly recommend the chapter in Graham Hutton's 'Programming in Haskell', which I believe you have a copy of. :)
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2018-08-10T02:04:54Z siraben: Zipheir: I'll check it out sometime
2018-08-10T02:05:31Z siraben: Zipheir: Programming in Haskell must cover a lot in only 200 pages haha
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2018-08-10T02:07:35Z Zipheir: siraben: It's pretty easy if you're used to SICP, but it's a very nice book.
2018-08-10T02:08:05Z siraben: Wow it's expensive for a small book
2018-08-10T02:11:51Z Zipheir: siraben: But unless I'm much mistaken you have a digital copy.
2018-08-10T02:13:16Z siraben: Yes
2018-08-10T02:14:28Z Zipheir: Good. ;)
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2018-08-10T02:21:35Z Zipheir: rudybot: botsnack
2018-08-10T02:21:35Z rudybot: thank you!
2018-08-10T02:21:52Z Zipheir: rudybot: Such boring responses!
2018-08-10T02:21:53Z rudybot: Zipheir: rms' .emacs is pretty boring. it's mostly macros with canned responses to frequently asked questions
2018-08-10T02:22:09Z Zipheir: Aw yeah.
2018-08-10T02:26:35Z siraben: I wonder what rms' .emacs looks like
2018-08-10T02:26:51Z siraben: Maybe it's empty
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2018-08-10T02:29:46Z pjb: IIRC, yes, it's almost empty.
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2018-08-10T02:33:29Z Zipheir: rms doesn't edit .emacs, he just opens a pull request.
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2018-08-10T02:36:52Z X-Scale: I wonder what VCS he uses
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2018-08-10T02:37:22Z siraben: Git obviously
2018-08-10T02:37:29Z siraben: Zipheir: haha good joke
2018-08-10T02:37:39Z siraben: X-Scale: Or e-mail, and other people do the commit for him
2018-08-10T02:38:11Z Zipheir: He probably has a splash screen reminding him which projects, corporations and countries he's currently boycotting.
2018-08-10T02:38:41Z siraben: IIRC he boycotts Coca Cola because apparently they killed some union leaders
2018-08-10T02:38:53Z siraben: "Killer Coke"
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2018-08-10T02:39:18Z Zipheir: I can't keep track, there are so many.
2018-08-10T02:39:42Z Zipheir: "Guber" has been his favorite target lately.
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2018-08-10T02:40:47Z Zipheir: Don't get me wrong, most of the things he boycotts do indeed suck, but... rms.
2018-08-10T02:41:53Z siraben:  ♫ Join us now and share the software ♪
2018-08-10T02:43:18Z Zipheir: Heh
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2018-08-10T02:44:05Z cmaloney: Zipheir: Pretty sure the list of companies / projects / countries he's not boycotting is smaller
2018-08-10T02:44:09Z cmaloney: and more efficient
2018-08-10T02:46:43Z siraben: Zipheir: Do you currently work?
2018-08-10T02:47:14Z Zipheir: siraben: I'm not sure if the FSF officially uses Git. Weren't they trying to push Bazaar?
2018-08-10T02:47:30Z siraben: Zipheir: GNU Emacs and other GNU software uses Git
2018-08-10T02:48:30Z Zipheir: siraben: I knew that, for some reason I thought they were anti-git and sort of ended up compromised.
2018-08-10T02:48:37Z Zipheir: s/compromised/compromising/
2018-08-10T02:49:05Z Zipheir: Well, Git is not GNU software. Traditionally, that's been reason enough for them.
2018-08-10T02:50:04Z siraben thinks GNU hurd is a good idea
2018-08-10T02:50:15Z siraben: Well they've adopted the Linux kernel instead.
2018-08-10T02:50:20Z siraben: But haven't dropped Hurd entirely
2018-08-10T02:51:44Z Zipheir: There's Debian Hurd and Arch Hurd, iirc.
2018-08-10T02:53:22Z Zipheir: rms sort of stated it wasn't going anywhere, however, so I wonder how many developers are still working on it seriously.
2018-08-10T02:55:30Z X-Scale: it seems there was a different gnu git before git -> https://www.gnu.org/software/git/
2018-08-10T02:55:59Z siraben: There's a lot of unmaintained software :(
2018-08-10T02:56:06Z siraben: Fortunately GNU Emacs is still extremely active.
2018-08-10T02:57:06Z Zipheir: X-Scale: Wow, confusing. "contains an extensible file system browser, an ASCII/hex file viewer, a process viewer/killer and some other related utilities and shell scripts." So sort of MidnightCommander/top rolled into one?
2018-08-10T02:57:43Z Zipheir: siraben: It's amazing to think that Emacs is over 40 years old.
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2018-08-10T02:58:44Z siraben: Zipheir: What would it take to kill it?
2018-08-10T02:59:11Z siraben: The fact that it's so extensible means that even if development stalled completely people will still make packages and what not
2018-08-10T03:00:59Z Zipheir: siraben: It's not going anywhere any time soon.
2018-08-10T03:02:12Z siraben: What about your text editor?
2018-08-10T03:02:20Z Zipheir: siraben: Although I just saw a new expansion of GNU EMACS: "Generally Not Used, Excluding Middle-Aged Computer Scientists".
2018-08-10T03:03:01Z Zipheir: siraben: I think I mentioned it, vis: https://github.com/martanne/vis
2018-08-10T03:03:10Z Zipheir: siraben: It's OK.
2018-08-10T03:03:38Z siraben: You can write Scheme well in it?
2018-08-10T03:03:41Z siraben: With indentation as well?
2018-08-10T03:04:46Z Zipheir: I don't think anyone's written auto-indent for vis yet, although I think the Lua API could handle it.
2018-08-10T03:05:12Z Zipheir: I'm not a huge fan of having to constantly correct auto-indent scripts, though.
2018-08-10T03:05:43Z siraben: Use Emacs!
2018-08-10T03:08:20Z Zipheir: Correction, vis has auto-indent à la vim, just not syntax-aware indenting à la emacs.
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2018-08-10T03:09:08Z siraben: Emacs has the best experience for editing Lisp code IMO
2018-08-10T03:09:38Z Zipheir: I occasionally think about going back to Emacs, then I see things in the changelog like "Provide new systemd service files for running emacs-server remotely." And then I think maybe there is something to the "Emacs is too complicated" theory.
2018-08-10T03:10:51Z Zipheir: But, sorry, this is text-editor-crusade territory.
2018-08-10T03:11:04Z siraben: Haha
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2018-08-10T03:11:19Z siraben: Well feel free to join #emacs anytime
2018-08-10T03:11:45Z Zipheir: siraben: Missionary :)
2018-08-10T03:11:47Z siraben: We're mostly off-topic but somtimes on-topic.
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2018-08-10T03:16:13Z siraben: Zipheir: Are you familiar with using call/cc, dynamic-wind et al.?
2018-08-10T03:16:46Z Zipheir: siraben: Fairly. I haven't used dynamic-wind much in the wild.
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2018-08-10T03:19:51Z Zipheir: siraben: But plenty of people here know vastly more than I do about Scheme, so feel free to ask the channel if you have a question. :)
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2018-08-10T04:19:12Z siraben: What can I use them for?
2018-08-10T04:19:22Z siraben: delimited or undelimited
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2018-08-10T15:13:42Z francogrex: hi I have this simple procedure: (define (main)
2018-08-10T15:13:43Z francogrex:   (let ((vect #(0.0f 0.0f 0.0f 0.0f 0.0f)))
2018-08-10T15:13:43Z francogrex:       (vector-set! vect 0 15.1f)
2018-08-10T15:13:43Z francogrex: ... etc))
2018-08-10T15:14:03Z francogrex: i expect when I call main each time the vect is reset to zeros
2018-08-10T15:14:45Z francogrex: but it is keeping the previous values on subsequent calls...there is no closures as I see to retain those values!
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2018-08-10T15:16:23Z pjb: #(…) is a literal.
2018-08-10T15:16:28Z pjb: You are modifying the program itself!
2018-08-10T15:16:38Z pjb: Or perhaps not, since literal data can be stored in read-only memory.
2018-08-10T15:16:42Z pjb: Perhaps you are crashing the compuer.
2018-08-10T15:16:51Z pjb: or sending nasal daemons flying.
2018-08-10T15:16:55Z francogrex: hmm
2018-08-10T15:17:06Z pjb: Or setting the coordinate of the next nuclear ICBM right to your house.
2018-08-10T15:17:12Z pjb: Really.
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2018-08-10T15:18:12Z francogrex: pjb yes! it's because literal
2018-08-10T15:18:18Z pjb: Use (vector 0 0 0 0) to create a new vector, or (make-vector 4 0)
2018-08-10T15:18:25Z francogrex: changing that into (vector...) fixes it
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2018-08-10T15:31:41Z Zipheir: That behavior only seems to occur with vectors. The same procedure with lists doesn't retain values between calls.
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2018-08-10T15:45:14Z Zipheir: R7RS states unambiguously that values created by literal expressions are immutable, but R5RS seems to allow some wiggle room.
2018-08-10T15:46:45Z Zipheir: So I guess that behavior makes sense, pre-R7...
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2018-08-10T16:55:09Z pierpal: immutable does not means that those cannot be mutated. it means that the effects of applying mutating operators on them is undefined.
2018-08-10T16:56:33Z ecraven: wasamasa: do you perchance have the pc scheme manual in digital form?
2018-08-10T16:57:57Z pierpal: I have the original printed copy. what do you need it for?
2018-08-10T16:58:07Z ecraven: I'd like to read it ;)
2018-08-10T16:58:19Z ecraven: or at least the parts about the window "streams" and edwin
2018-08-10T16:58:23Z pierpal: ah. then cannot help :(
2018-08-10T16:58:32Z ecraven: if no-one has it digitally, then I might try to get a used copy
2018-08-10T16:59:12Z ecraven: is it worth getting?
2018-08-10T16:59:23Z pierpal: Edwin is just a simple emacs like editor
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2018-08-10T17:00:25Z pierpal: probably not worth the trouble of getting it. IMO
2018-08-10T17:02:06Z Zipheir: pierpal: I know. I'm saying that R7 says constants are immutable, while R5 says "it may be desirable".
2018-08-10T17:02:20Z pierpal: ah, ok
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2018-08-10T17:06:54Z pjb: Zipheir: it works with strings, with lists, with any data!  https://pastebin.com/JmxZ5W54
2018-08-10T17:07:01Z pjb: Zipheir: this is very bad!
2018-08-10T17:08:15Z pjb: Again, this exact behavior in the paste occurs in general only at the repl or with interpreters.  With compilers you stand a good chance to get a crash or worse. Compilers are allowed to coalesce literal data, so mutating one occurence may actually mutate all the occurences in the program!
2018-08-10T17:10:05Z pjb: edwin comes with MIT scheme.
2018-08-10T17:12:07Z Zipheir: pjb: Which scheme are you using?
2018-08-10T17:16:44Z pjb: this example is with MIT scheme.
2018-08-10T17:16:51Z amz31: o/
2018-08-10T17:17:01Z Zipheir: amz31: o/
2018-08-10T17:17:14Z amz31: what would be a good name for minikanren fork?
2018-08-10T17:17:25Z Zipheir: pjb: Yeah, same results in CHICKEN, compiled or interpreted.
2018-08-10T17:17:53Z pjb: nanokanren?
2018-08-10T17:18:00Z pjb: biminikanren?
2018-08-10T17:18:17Z amz31: well clojure use core.logic
2018-08-10T17:18:25Z amz31: I could name it guile.logic
2018-08-10T17:18:29Z amz31: or something like that
2018-08-10T17:18:39Z amz31: it would be easy to spot
2018-08-10T17:18:42Z amz31: for a clojurist
2018-08-10T17:24:42Z Zipheir: Dot syntax is too trendy, name it after a logician.
2018-08-10T17:24:52Z Zipheir: I wonder if 'Quine' is taken.
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2018-08-10T17:29:48Z amz31: quine is taken
2018-08-10T17:29:56Z Zipheir: miniquine!
2018-08-10T17:30:21Z amz31: i will use guile-logic
2018-08-10T17:30:23Z amz31: as name
2018-08-10T17:32:30Z Zipheir: Why do you want to fork?
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2018-08-10T17:32:49Z pierpal: schönfinkel would be a very nerdy name
2018-08-10T17:33:07Z Zipheir: or miniColmerauer, as a prolog tribute.
2018-08-10T17:33:59Z pierpal: and he died recently, so would be a good tribute
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2018-08-10T17:39:03Z Zipheir: A non-zero number of fork projects probably started because someone thought of a really good name. :)
2018-08-10T17:39:49Z pierpal: :)
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2018-08-10T18:24:06Z amz31: Zipheir: well, it's not really fork, I will copy the files into my project, since there is no cross scheme package manager it's the only way I see
2018-08-10T18:24:31Z amz31: Zipheir: also, AFAIU it seems like a lot of people fork privatly mini/micro kanren for their own use
2018-08-10T18:24:48Z amz31: a lot = 10 people or something like that?
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2018-08-10T18:33:08Z Zipheir: Also, 'we forked it' often just means 'we use it' these days. Thank you, GitHub.
2018-08-10T18:34:55Z Zipheir wonders if there's a modal minikanren out there.
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2018-08-10T19:30:22Z aeth: 'fork' often means a stale copy for a pull request 3 years ago even though the forkers themselves use the upstream (if they use the git version at all)
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2018-08-10T19:33:08Z aeth: You'd be surprised how many CL library authors forget the , in a macro and never notice because they use the same variable name inside and outside of the macro. You could make many 'forks' fixing bugs like that in the CL world... a fork for adding a ","
2018-08-10T19:35:58Z aeth: (I suppose Schemes with defmacro or define-macro have the same issues.)
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2018-08-10T19:41:25Z ecraven: pjb: it seems that pc scheme *also* had an editor called edwin
2018-08-10T19:45:19Z wasamasa: ecraven: nope
2018-08-10T19:45:55Z wasamasa: ecraven: can't find anything on the dodgy websites either
2018-08-10T19:46:05Z ecraven: me neither. just ordered it on amazon, 6 bucks
2018-08-10T19:46:13Z wasamasa: lol
2018-08-10T19:46:14Z ecraven: I should try to get access to a book scanner
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2018-08-10T20:04:40Z pierpal: pcscheme's doc came in a big three ring binder, so it can be scanned easily
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2018-08-10T20:06:47Z duncanm: ecraven: huh, so there's another edwin?
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2018-08-10T20:59:41Z Zipheir: rudybot: Get forked!
2018-08-10T20:59:43Z rudybot: Zipheir: Googling it I get references to some company thar forked emacs a long time ago?
2018-08-10T21:04:04Z amz31: rudybot: what about logic?
2018-08-10T21:04:09Z rudybot: amz31: "The Haskell Road to Logic, Maths and Programming." what do you think about that?
2018-08-10T21:05:18Z amz31: rudybot: I think that's I am too lazy to learn Haskell
2018-08-10T21:05:37Z amz31: rudybot: I think that I am too lazy to learn Haskell
2018-08-10T21:05:43Z rudybot: amz31: typed-scheme's type system is really quite fancy. And yes, it allows for macros. If they got their act together on optional and keyword parameters and added a type class facility we'd have a kick ass strict language alternative to Haskell (I just don't like the default lazy evaluation in Haskell)
2018-08-10T21:05:44Z rudybot: amz31: So streams are like Haskell lazy lists?
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2018-08-10T21:06:55Z amz31: rudybot: not sure, streams are exactly like Haskell lazy lists. There is different behavior associated with the term lazy in scheme
2018-08-10T21:07:14Z rudybot: amz31: ogm -- [0] Ogg Media (OGM), meaning Ogg Media File, is a container format (for video, audio and subtitle streams). ..[Type ,more]
2018-08-10T21:07:38Z Zipheir: amz31: Falling asleep on the couch with a beer?
2018-08-10T21:07:52Z amz31: Zipheir: sort of
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2018-08-10T21:10:38Z amz31: I think I understand my project purpose
2018-08-10T21:10:52Z amz31: i think the purpose of my project is spending time coding
2018-08-10T21:11:34Z amz31: instead of trying to think about something that people _might_ like, I should spend time actually coding on the thing that I need.
2018-08-10T21:11:45Z Zipheir: So the more bugs you introduce, the more successful the project?
2018-08-10T21:12:23Z amz31: Zipheir: do you mean that people like to see bugs in my software?
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2018-08-10T21:13:08Z Zipheir: No, you said the purpose was to spend time coding. If you add a bug a day, you'll never run out of code to write.
2018-08-10T21:13:57Z amz31: yes indeed, but I don't write bug on purpose, except as easter eggs
2018-08-10T21:14:15Z Zipheir: What is it that you're working on that you think people _might_ like?
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2018-08-10T21:14:48Z amz31: let's forget about the other people....
2018-08-10T21:15:22Z amz31: it's difficult to answert that question
2018-08-10T21:15:33Z amz31: but when i was 20 I wanted to replace google
2018-08-10T21:16:27Z Zipheir: amz31: :)
2018-08-10T21:16:31Z amz31: nowdays, I want to experiment with text user interfaces
2018-08-10T21:16:43Z amz31: and replace google
2018-08-10T21:16:45Z amz31: but
2018-08-10T21:17:02Z amz31: text user interface are already a thing, it's called the command line
2018-08-10T21:17:13Z amz31: so I am not sure how to proceed
2018-08-10T21:18:30Z Zipheir: I think the relationship is more like CLI ⊂ TUI.
2018-08-10T21:19:11Z Zipheir: There's curses and plan9-style windowed programs with text-based UIs, too.
2018-08-10T21:19:43Z Zipheir: imho, TUIs are vastly under-researched.
2018-08-10T21:20:01Z amz31: Text User Interface like curses things?
2018-08-10T21:20:37Z amz31: I mean dialog systems when I wrote text user interface
2018-08-10T21:20:51Z amz31: but again a dialog system is nothing more that a command line
2018-08-10T21:21:25Z amz31: and the REPL and advanced form of command line
2018-08-10T21:23:23Z Zipheir: Sure.
2018-08-10T21:26:15Z Zipheir: But in a broader sense, curses editors, for example, have text-driven UIs.
2018-08-10T21:26:47Z Zipheir: It doesn't all reduce to command-lines.
2018-08-10T21:28:13Z amz31: i agree
2018-08-10T21:29:08Z amz31: in math, geometry is very important, so prolly visual thinking is important
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2018-08-10T21:33:46Z aeth: There's something else, too. Something that's not a terminal-based UI but still almost entirely (but not entirely) textual, e.g. the Xorg version of Emacs.
2018-08-10T21:34:31Z Zipheir: People overrate ideas like 'visual thinking', which is why there's a whole industry dedicated to making windows and icons swoop around.
2018-08-10T21:34:33Z aeth: I'd still call the Emacs UI text-based even though technically it can be graphical with a menu and tool bar (I do turn those off, though)
2018-08-10T21:35:40Z Zipheir: aeth: I'd call that a weird hybrid. The Emacs GTK menus are super ugly and I can't remember ever using them.
2018-08-10T21:36:16Z aeth: Emacs's graphical mode does things that the in-terminal version can't do, like view images and PDFs. It also has richer syntax highlighting, which is the reason I use it.
2018-08-10T21:36:45Z aeth: (Or, rather, it has consistent syntax highlighting because it has control over the colors, which it doesn't have in the terminal)
2018-08-10T21:37:03Z Zipheir: Yeah, no doubt. Terminals really suck and need to burn.
2018-08-10T21:37:26Z aeth: The future would be Emacs if GNU Emacs didn't also suck
2018-08-10T21:37:32Z Zipheir: Heh
2018-08-10T21:37:34Z aeth: http://emacshorrors.com/
2018-08-10T21:38:38Z amz31: well, I agree about emacs graphical mode
2018-08-10T21:39:06Z amz31: I also use it because it has better highlighting caps
2018-08-10T21:39:44Z aeth: I like emacs-the-idea. Command-driven super-program that does everything in a consistent, yet customizable interface (sure, you can use the default key bindings... or you can make it like vim) and programmable in a Lisp. Mostly text buffers, except when text is inconvenient, and then it will be able display something else, like an image. Wrap Unix utilities in thin, but useful wrappers, and let you use the terminal alternative if you need
2018-08-10T21:39:51Z aeth: But wow the execution is so bad.
2018-08-10T21:39:57Z amz31: I think I am subjugated by jupyter notebooks
2018-08-10T21:40:23Z Zipheir: aeth++
2018-08-10T21:40:34Z amz31: aeth: can you develop : execution is so bad
2018-08-10T21:40:42Z aeth: To be fair, Emacs used to be much worse 8 years ago
2018-08-10T21:40:56Z aeth: Emacs is now where it should have been in 2005
2018-08-10T21:41:01Z wasamasa: emacs needs to be dragged into modern times
2018-08-10T21:41:07Z amz31: like what?
2018-08-10T21:41:17Z mason: Emacs Makes A Computer Slow. Escape Meta Alt Control Shift. And the eternal Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping. Because, eight megs.
2018-08-10T21:41:56Z aeth: amz31: The entire (Lisp) internals are a trip back to 1980, if not older... for a program that was written after 1980
2018-08-10T21:42:07Z Zipheir: mason: Classic.
2018-08-10T21:42:27Z aeth: amz31: I'm half surprised it uses structured programming
2018-08-10T21:43:15Z amz31: aeth: what use structured programming?
2018-08-10T21:43:23Z mason: amz31: Emacs
2018-08-10T21:43:30Z Zipheir: aeth: Elisp is antiquated, but the API is what's really mind-boggling. I think there's a decent interface buried in there somewhere, but it's hard to tell.
2018-08-10T21:43:41Z aeth: amz31: And the language support is incredibly inconsistent, e.g. types/classes are not highlighted in Common Lisp. (defmethod foo ((bar bar)) ...) is not highlighted like a C++ or Java method would be. And Common Lisp is the best supported language in Emacs.
2018-08-10T21:44:26Z aeth: (Whether it is a type or a class depends on context. In defmethod, it's a class.)
2018-08-10T21:45:14Z aeth: Zipheir: Yes, the API is what I was referring to, but the Lisp itself is also a 1980 Lisp, without lessons that the others learned from Scheme... and then much too late they ported 1/3 of CL to it or something
2018-08-10T21:45:20Z Zipheir: Another example: encodings. There are at least 5 different default-character-encoding settings, and they're all overridden by the current locale. Amazing.
2018-08-10T21:45:33Z Zipheir: aeth: Indeed.
2018-08-10T21:45:38Z aeth: The only Emacs Lisp files I've read that are written properly are Emacs Lisp files for things that interface with other Lisps because those programmers know how to write Lisp
2018-08-10T21:45:49Z aeth: The rest are horrors that I'd rather not read because it would make me think less of Emacs.
2018-08-10T21:46:23Z aeth: Of course, Emacs Lisp's Lisp style is still old, and has things like SETQ. Even now, there are new Common Lispers coming from Emacs Lisp who have to unlearn the pre-1984 way of writing Lisp
2018-08-10T21:46:57Z aeth: (These days, literally everyone uses setf unless they are a very old lisper or learned elisp first)
2018-08-10T21:47:34Z aeth: (Even if elisp has setf or adds it soon, elisp wouldn't use setf because it wouldn't be an efficient setf, whereas in a sane CL there is no performance penalty for setf)
2018-08-10T21:47:54Z wasamasa: maybe I should release another post on that blog featuring the classic "HAVE I NO SHAME??" comment
2018-08-10T21:48:09Z wasamasa: ESR refused explaining it to me
2018-08-10T21:48:11Z aeth: elisp has lots of "you can do this like CL or Scheme but it's not efficient, so write it like a 1978 Lisp" best practices
2018-08-10T21:48:15Z mason: What's wrong with setq?!?
2018-08-10T21:48:56Z mason backs away.
2018-08-10T21:48:57Z wasamasa: what's wrong with #lisp regulars on #scheme?!?
2018-08-10T21:49:06Z Zipheir: lol
2018-08-10T21:51:20Z Zipheir: wasamasa: What does "HAVE I NO SHAME??" refer to?
2018-08-10T21:51:46Z wasamasa: it lives in a file for parsing email addresses
2018-08-10T21:52:04Z wasamasa: I'll just assume a really stupid hack, but I don't know enough about email addresses to tell
2018-08-10T21:52:20Z aeth: uh oh
2018-08-10T21:52:24Z aeth: parsing email addresses
2018-08-10T21:52:33Z wasamasa: yes, by using copious amount of regex
2018-08-10T21:52:39Z aeth: I believe the general approach is to not attempt, especially via regex
2018-08-10T21:52:48Z wasamasa: like almost all parsing in emacs
2018-08-10T21:53:08Z aeth: Interestingly, this sort of thing would probably be *way* easier and cleaner in naive Scheme than regex
2018-08-10T21:53:21Z wasamasa: nah, scheme doesn't have a buffer API :P
2018-08-10T21:53:28Z wasamasa: no way to write absolutely unreadable code
2018-08-10T21:55:25Z wasamasa: ;; Delete ham radio call signs
2018-08-10T21:55:28Z amz31: yet
2018-08-10T21:55:35Z wasamasa: because you gotta
2018-08-10T21:56:04Z wasamasa: yet what?
2018-08-10T21:56:19Z wasamasa: emacs accomplished far more in the quantity department?
2018-08-10T21:56:35Z amz31: no way to write absolutely unreadable code
2018-08-10T21:56:40Z amz31: no way to write absolutely unreadable code yet
2018-08-10T21:57:09Z wasamasa: sure, implement emacs buffers in scheme, do all string processing with buffers
2018-08-10T21:57:46Z wasamasa: it's stateful, you can't tell where you are by glancing at the code and debugging it going wrong is a major pain
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2018-08-10T21:58:11Z Zipheir: wasamasa: Oh, wait, does the HAVE I NO SHAME hack relate to something ESR wrote?
2018-08-10T21:58:19Z Zipheir: wasamasa: I'm beginnning to get terrified.
2018-08-10T21:58:38Z wasamasa: no, he's just in the git blame
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2018-08-10T21:58:57Z Zipheir: wasamasa: OK. Phew, I thought you were going to mention fetchmail...
2018-08-10T21:59:01Z wasamasa: let's not pretend ESR did anything worth mentioning
2018-08-10T21:59:40Z wasamasa: I mean, other than dragging emacs development into less than ancient times by repeatedly doing a conversion from bazaar to git until it worked out perfectly and everyone was convinced it would go well
2018-08-10T22:00:52Z Zipheir: That's actually something useful.
2018-08-10T22:01:22Z amz31: wasamasa: how undo works if the buffer is stateful?
2018-08-10T22:01:39Z wasamasa: confusingly
2018-08-10T22:02:08Z wasamasa: you keep a really long list of entries describing undos, including undos undoing undos
2018-08-10T22:02:32Z amz31: undo = the reverse operation?
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2018-08-10T22:04:37Z amz31: I tried to read the code of rainbow-delimiters, it's very difficult to understand
2018-08-10T22:05:09Z wasamasa: that one's less about the buffer API and more about dunno, syntax tables?
2018-08-10T22:05:10Z aeth: I agree with Zipheir
2018-08-10T22:05:33Z aeth: ESR's contribution in tech history is probably going to be 'that guy who migrated a bunch of prominent FOSS projects to git'
2018-08-10T22:06:11Z amz31: well, I know ESR because of the magic cauldron book
2018-08-10T22:09:25Z amz31: the book made me stay alive when I was in college
2018-08-10T22:09:29Z amz31: sort of
2018-08-10T22:09:38Z Zipheir: aeth: The Cathedral/Bazaar idea is probably going to be his most famous contribution.
2018-08-10T22:09:50Z amz31: +1
2018-08-10T22:11:13Z aeth: I'm not sure it'll be seen as more important than reposurgeon over a long time scale.
2018-08-10T22:11:21Z aeth: I rarely hear the book mentioned these days.
2018-08-10T22:11:44Z Zipheir: Never heard of reposurgeon :)
2018-08-10T22:12:00Z aeth: it's the thing that migrated emacs, probably.
2018-08-10T22:12:08Z aeth: http://www.catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/
2018-08-10T22:12:24Z aeth: I know about it from Wesnoth
2018-08-10T22:12:28Z wasamasa: it is
2018-08-10T22:12:44Z Zipheir: Ah, right.
2018-08-10T22:12:58Z aeth: Since the repos are basically *the* history of these large projects, a repo migration will be very notable for people who dig deeply into the history of one
2018-08-10T22:13:48Z Zipheir: I'm somewhat suprised it's even necessary. AFAIK, most VCSs that are not git come with migration tools.
2018-08-10T22:14:04Z amz31: The Cathedral and the bazaar seems more important to me
2018-08-10T22:14:07Z Riastradh: Don't leave out among his contributions the white supremacist homophobic misogynist ramblings...  (Also please credit the original authors of work he put his name on.)
2018-08-10T22:14:19Z aeth: The name of the tool is not very well known, though. I found it by searching for 'reposturgeon', but that's the mascot, not the project name
2018-08-10T22:14:46Z wasamasa: I like his nethack guide
2018-08-10T22:14:54Z wasamasa: his improvements to giflib, not so much
2018-08-10T22:14:57Z aeth: Zipheir: git is very complicated
2018-08-10T22:15:00Z Zipheir: Riastradh: Very true. 'Sexist' is an area he's working on too, lately.
2018-08-10T22:15:32Z nisstyre: Riastradh: his most memorable thing to me is the Iranian Assassin Squad thing or w/e
2018-08-10T22:15:32Z Zipheir: Riastradh: Oops, you covered that :)
2018-08-10T22:15:55Z nisstyre: Riastradh: I laugh every time I read that
2018-08-10T22:16:23Z amz31: afaik is a gun owner
2018-08-10T22:16:32Z Zipheir: s/owner/fanatic/
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2018-08-10T22:16:53Z Riastradh: Yes.  I could have included a few more qualifiers like Islamophobic and gun-toting but the sentence was already pretty heavy as is.
2018-08-10T22:16:54Z nisstyre: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=290
2018-08-10T22:17:10Z aeth: Any discussion of ESR inevitably becomes about his politics. Possibly because he mixes political posts and technical posts on one blog, possibly because his politics are just so extreme.
2018-08-10T22:17:59Z amz31: or wrong?
2018-08-10T22:18:13Z aeth: Technically, everyone's politics is wrong except mine.
2018-08-10T22:18:20Z aeth: But I guess his are more wrong than most
2018-08-10T22:18:29Z Riastradh: Maybe because he's prolific in political ramblings but doesn't have much to contribute technically, and yet somehow he is idolized in many circles?
2018-08-10T22:18:29Z Zipheir: nisstyre: I get that it's hilarious, but this BS doesn't need to be linked here.
2018-08-10T22:18:45Z nisstyre: Zipheir: fair enough
2018-08-10T22:19:03Z nisstyre: Zipheir: I only found out about it because @pinboard linked it on twitter
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2018-08-10T22:19:14Z amz31: I started an editor in scheme using fingertrees it has many states
2018-08-10T22:19:15Z jonaslund: wasamasa: what changes did he do to giflib ? i only used it once (post-changes i suspect)
2018-08-10T22:19:42Z wasamasa: jonaslund: he added a completely broken API I spent ages debugging
2018-08-10T22:19:44Z amz31: I need to remove the use of mutable states
2018-08-10T22:19:58Z wasamasa: jonaslund: all code I've consulted used the deprecated API
2018-08-10T22:20:18Z aeth: amz31: Mutable is great. It's faster, and often simpler.
2018-08-10T22:20:30Z wasamasa: jonaslund: I gave up on figuring out the bug, some days later he added a bugfix by memsetting a struct to zeroes which fixed it
2018-08-10T22:20:34Z aeth: The trick with mutability is to quarantine it so it all happens in one spot.
2018-08-10T22:20:46Z amz31: aeth: not really simpler, since it makes undo more difficult to code
2018-08-10T22:21:02Z amz31: aeth: yes i agree
2018-08-10T22:21:16Z aeth: amz31: Make every mutable operation reversible and log them?
2018-08-10T22:21:36Z amz31: reversible is too complicated in the long run i think
2018-08-10T22:21:48Z aeth: Well reversible will work except on inexact things like floating point
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2018-08-10T22:22:25Z Riastradh: aeth: Reversible doesn't work for the function (lambda (x) 0) if that's what you're concerned about...but hardly anyone cares about actually reversible computing except people working with quantum computers or with crab computers.
2018-08-10T22:23:05Z Riastradh: (But that's not the notion of `reversible' that a history of states implements.)
2018-08-10T22:23:51Z wasamasa: jonaslund: I think my time would have been better spent implementing giflib in pure scheme
2018-08-10T22:24:27Z aeth: Riastradh: Actually... If you're making an editor and one operation is to no matter what replace x with 0, then if you logged it like I said, you could just replace that 0 with x when you're popping the log stack.
2018-08-10T22:24:36Z jonaslund: wasamasa: heh
2018-08-10T22:25:45Z aeth: Riastradh: yeah, it's not 'reversible computing', but it's reversible.
2018-08-10T22:26:55Z aeth: Riastradh: but it still wouldn't work for floating point because if it's increment x by y, then decrementing x by y won't necessarily get you the original x afaik.
2018-08-10T22:27:20Z aeth: You could just log x in that case, too, though, I guess.
2018-08-10T22:27:58Z aeth: I guess you'd *have* to log all x just to be safe.
2018-08-10T22:30:14Z amz31: event sourcing ftw
2018-08-10T22:30:21Z aeth: (In case I was unclear, I was originally advocating logging x just in the special cases like procedures that constantly return 0, and otherwise just logging the reverse procedure)
2018-08-10T22:30:30Z aeth: (i.e. the reverse of constantly returning 0 is constantly returning x)
2018-08-10T22:31:11Z aeth: (Then in most cases you're just returning the name of a procedure rather than having to store x every step along the way)
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2018-08-10T22:35:46Z aeth: The stored reverse of (lambda (x) 0) is obtained by evaluating (lambda (x) (lambda (y) x)) assuming x is immutable. Otherwise you have to copy.
2018-08-10T22:40:56Z Zipheir: < amz31> reversible is too complicated in the long run i think
2018-08-10T22:40:59Z Zipheir: Heh.
2018-08-10T22:42:31Z Riastradh: Reversible computing is much simpler.  Everything is a bijection!  Done!
2018-08-10T22:42:47Z Riastradh: None of these lossy functions that fail to be injective.
2018-08-10T22:44:28Z aeth: Is it really too hard to have this? (lambda (k) (values (lambda (x) k) (lambda (x) (lambda (y) x))))
2018-08-10T22:44:57Z aeth: The first procedure moves forward. The second procedure generates the way to move backward.
2018-08-10T22:46:16Z Zipheir: Seems entirely reasonable.
2018-08-10T22:48:51Z aeth: If you're more used to this syntax: (λ (k) (values (λ (x) k) (λ (x) (λ (y) x))))
2018-08-10T22:50:19Z Zipheir: It's like those non-deterministic evaluators where everything has a success and a failure continuation.
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2018-08-10T22:50:55Z aeth: Oh, and I'm assuming most of the time the reverse-generating procedure is actually going to be something like (lambda (x) 'foo)
2018-08-10T22:51:23Z aeth: oops, (lambda (x) foo)
2018-08-10T22:53:25Z aeth: or at least something that ignores the x
2018-08-10T22:55:00Z aeth: e.g. (lambda (k) (values (lambda (x) (+ x k)) (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (- y k)))))
2018-08-10T22:55:29Z aeth: The actually reversible procedures would ignore the x.
2018-08-10T22:56:17Z aeth: (Now I just need to come up with something where this is actually useful.)
2018-08-10T22:58:44Z nisstyre: aeth: but that requires you to use call-with-values or w/e everywhere
2018-08-10T22:59:42Z aeth: nisstyre: Since the structure is so regular, just hide it with a macro
2018-08-10T23:00:01Z nisstyre: yeah true
2018-08-10T23:00:27Z nisstyre: aeth: you could even dynamically define the reverse procedure in that scope maybe, using the macro
2018-08-10T23:01:29Z aeth: nisstyre: in my +/- example? you could probably use a macro for that... something trivially-reversible is the case where (something x k) is reversed by (reverse-of-something y k)
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2018-08-10T23:01:48Z aeth: In the end, most cases would probably wind up very concise
2018-08-10T23:02:04Z nisstyre: aeth: I mean just take the first or second value and assign it to something like "reverse-f" without you having to
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2018-08-10T23:09:53Z aeth: nisstyre: like this? (lambda () (values f (lambda (x) reverse-f))
2018-08-10T23:10:20Z aeth: Although I guess you might want to write it as (lambda (f reverse-f) ...)
2018-08-10T23:14:10Z nisstyre: aeth: I was thinking more like you have (define (foo) (values (lambda (x) (add1 x)) (lambda (x) (sub1 x)))) and then when you do (foo) it automatically assigns the first value to "reverse-foo" in the current scope
2018-08-10T23:14:28Z nisstyre: I'm not sure how I'd do that or if it's a good idea though
2018-08-10T23:15:10Z aeth: well, in my notation x is the original and y is the reversible result
2018-08-10T23:15:19Z aeth: so (lambda (y) (sub1 y))
2018-08-10T23:15:21Z nisstyre: ok
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2018-08-11T16:38:47Z Zipheir: Would anyone who has read the new edition of Reasoned Schemer recommend buying it (over the old one)?
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2018-08-11T17:00:30Z quipa: think I found a language no one has done mal in hehe
2018-08-11T17:00:43Z quipa: an quite useful apparently
2018-08-11T17:00:49Z quipa: hehe...
2018-08-11T17:13:12Z wasamasa: really
2018-08-11T17:13:18Z wasamasa: is it in my candidates list?
2018-08-11T17:15:08Z quipa: nope :P
2018-08-11T17:15:32Z quipa: it's a bit of a wierd one
2018-08-11T17:15:39Z wasamasa: I'm intrigued
2018-08-11T17:15:43Z quipa: it works embedded in another language
2018-08-11T17:15:44Z wasamasa: which one did I miss?
2018-08-11T17:15:51Z wasamasa: oh, hm, that would explain it
2018-08-11T17:15:59Z wasamasa: inb4 yet another procedural sql
2018-08-11T17:16:01Z quipa: but the funny thing
2018-08-11T17:16:08Z quipa: is it runs in a separate runtime
2018-08-11T17:16:14Z quipa: if I get it right
2018-08-11T17:16:22Z quipa: and you can run it by itself
2018-08-11T17:16:27Z quipa: which is even wierder
2018-08-11T17:16:49Z quipa: nope nothing like a sql
2018-08-11T17:16:54Z quipa: I'll give a clue
2018-08-11T17:16:57Z quipa: it uses end
2018-08-11T17:17:00Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T17:17:07Z quipa: anyways think I am going to have fun with it
2018-08-11T17:17:21Z wasamasa: mruby?
2018-08-11T17:17:53Z quipa: that's as many clues as I am giving hehe, I will only say true or false
2018-08-11T17:17:55Z quipa: false
2018-08-11T17:18:44Z wasamasa: all the other ones with end as keyword I can think of are algol derivatives
2018-08-11T17:18:56Z quipa: not even close hehe :p
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2018-08-11T17:21:07Z quipa: or ok
2018-08-11T17:21:11Z quipa: to be fair
2018-08-11T17:21:27Z quipa: algol is a distant relative
2018-08-11T17:21:46Z quipa: nota direct one though I think
2018-08-11T17:22:34Z wasamasa: lua uses that syntax as well, no?
2018-08-11T17:22:40Z quipa: yup
2018-08-11T17:22:44Z quipa: :P
2018-08-11T17:22:47Z wasamasa: so I'd expect one of its derivatives, like moonscript or terra
2018-08-11T17:22:51Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T17:22:54Z quipa: yeah terra
2018-08-11T17:22:57Z wasamasa: which is in my list
2018-08-11T17:23:02Z quipa: it is?
2018-08-11T17:23:13Z quipa: ah I only looked at the folders
2018-08-11T17:23:21Z wasamasa: https://github.com/wasamasa/mal-candidates/blob/master/CANDIDATES.org#todo-terra
2018-08-11T17:23:41Z quipa: ah ok it's in a sub folder
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2018-08-11T17:23:55Z quipa: I just looked up in the main page
2018-08-11T17:24:00Z quipa: my bad :P
2018-08-11T17:24:09Z quipa: still sounds really interesting as a language
2018-08-11T17:25:05Z wasamasa: indeed, I wasn't sure how much sense it makes to do MAL in it as it seems to share lots of syntax with lua
2018-08-11T17:25:07Z quipa: would be nice to have a explicit link in the readme
2018-08-11T17:25:45Z wasamasa: or have a proper readme
2018-08-11T17:25:52Z wasamasa: currently it's just lots of links and hints
2018-08-11T17:26:21Z quipa: ;)
2018-08-11T17:26:40Z quipa: hehe damn for a second there I really thought I had one undiscovered hehe
2018-08-11T17:27:06Z quipa: wasamasa: you're good hehe
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2018-08-11T17:27:16Z wasamasa: far from all interesting ones
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2018-08-11T17:27:29Z wasamasa: I've been suggested some novel ones by CHICKEN's author
2018-08-11T17:27:53Z wasamasa: ever heard of BLISS?
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2018-08-11T17:28:14Z wasamasa: in an alternate universe, BLISS would have been what C is today
2018-08-11T17:28:19Z quipa: hum na don't think so
2018-08-11T17:28:34Z quipa: looks interesting
2018-08-11T17:28:56Z wasamasa: I suspect he's a DEC fan generally
2018-08-11T17:29:32Z quipa: I was thinking today
2018-08-11T17:29:41Z quipa: probably something pretty obvious
2018-08-11T17:29:54Z quipa: but still it made me wonder about this lua terra combination
2018-08-11T17:29:58Z wasamasa: no idea how good https://github.com/madisongh/blissc is
2018-08-11T17:30:54Z quipa: is C only really got going because it was built with the unix system in mind
2018-08-11T17:30:59Z quipa: I think?
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2018-08-11T17:33:56Z quipa: maybe it didn't compete because it was typeless?
2018-08-11T17:34:15Z pjb: quipa: not even.
2018-08-11T17:34:36Z pjb: quipa: it got going because it was needed to compile unix which was the only OS distributed for free with the sources at the time.
2018-08-11T17:34:37Z quipa: not even? what kind of sentence is that :P
2018-08-11T17:35:05Z pjb: quipa: notice that 10 years earlier, the oses were distributed with the sources, but only with the corresponding hardware.
2018-08-11T17:35:09Z wasamasa: C's killer app was UNIX
2018-08-11T17:35:11Z quipa: so it's destiny was closely related to UNIX
2018-08-11T17:35:31Z wasamasa: porting UNIX was much easier than other operating systems as it was mostly written in C
2018-08-11T17:35:45Z quipa: yeah that's what I was thinking
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2018-08-11T17:36:24Z pjb: quipa: it seems to be a "focus adverb".
2018-08-11T17:36:33Z pjb: (the kind of sentence).
2018-08-11T17:36:45Z quipa: sorry I am a native speaker, translator and proof reader
2018-08-11T17:36:48Z quipa: and never heard of it
2018-08-11T17:36:53Z quipa: :P
2018-08-11T17:37:23Z quipa: must be some strange french translation to english
2018-08-11T17:37:43Z pjb: quipa: the frequency of use of sentences depends on the monther tongue of the spearker, indeed.
2018-08-11T17:38:57Z quipa: well not even y itself is not very common in regular english and even in international english it's not common
2018-08-11T17:39:43Z Riastradh: `not even' isn't that rare in English.
2018-08-11T17:39:43Z quipa: s/y itself/by itself
2018-08-11T17:39:45Z pjb: You can't have the butter and the money of the butter!
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2018-08-11T17:40:02Z pjb: You impose your language to the word, you get it abused badly everywhere!
2018-08-11T17:40:08Z pjb: world.
2018-08-11T17:40:14Z Riastradh: Read it as `it's not even that'.
2018-08-11T17:40:42Z quipa: yeah but not even I don't think is a valid grammatical sentence
2018-08-11T17:41:09Z pjb: And more so when you don't have an English Academy to specify the grammar rules, but only take the usage as prescriptive!
2018-08-11T17:41:54Z quipa: hehe okay you should lookup common law to understand how english people get things done
2018-08-11T17:42:09Z quipa: it's called precedence
2018-08-11T17:42:18Z pjb: Indeed.
2018-08-11T17:42:30Z pjb: The other half of Europe is influenced by Roman written law.
2018-08-11T17:42:45Z quipa: and from what I know the use of "not even" on it's doesn't have strong precedent
2018-08-11T17:43:26Z pjb: quipa: redo your stats in a few years.  Remember, you're a minority as native speakers.
2018-08-11T17:43:44Z quipa: sure but even among non-native speakers
2018-08-11T17:43:57Z quipa: I vary rarely hear not even used like that
2018-08-11T17:44:07Z quipa: and I've travelled my fair share
2018-08-11T17:44:32Z quipa: and taught ESL
2018-08-11T17:44:37Z quipa: so...
2018-08-11T17:44:52Z pjb: "it's called precedence" 239 google hits, "not even" 188,000,000 google hits.
2018-08-11T17:45:02Z quipa: yeah on it's own
2018-08-11T17:45:09Z quipa: as a sentence
2018-08-11T17:45:26Z quipa: when urban dictionary is the first entry
2018-08-11T17:45:27Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T17:45:46Z quipa: it's not a good sign :P
2018-08-11T17:45:52Z quipa: but hey I am just trolling you
2018-08-11T17:45:55Z quipa: use as you wish
2018-08-11T17:46:01Z quipa: as long as we can understand each other
2018-08-11T17:46:17Z quipa: but in this case it did leave some ambiguity so that's why I asked
2018-08-11T17:46:28Z quipa: ;)
2018-08-11T17:47:02Z pjb: So a focus adverb with ellipses?
2018-08-11T17:48:08Z pjb: Anyways,  what made C known was that you needed it to compile unix.
2018-08-11T17:48:19Z pjb: People wanted unix, and they god C.
2018-08-11T17:48:21Z pjb: got
2018-08-11T17:48:27Z pjb: If unix had been written in lisp…
2018-08-11T17:48:55Z quipa: sure, that's kind of what I meant
2018-08-11T17:49:14Z quipa: most of it's success came from unix
2018-08-11T17:51:22Z quipa: by the way I would have understood "not even wrong" hehe
2018-08-11T17:52:36Z quipa: if you get the jist
2018-08-11T17:53:00Z pjb: You're just sad because I retain some French brain cells :-)
2018-08-11T17:53:12Z quipa: no not really
2018-08-11T17:53:25Z quipa: you can talk as you want, like I said as long as it's understandable
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2018-08-11T17:56:00Z quipa: I myself have a bunch of non english cells
2018-08-11T17:56:01Z quipa: so hehe
2018-08-11T17:56:17Z quipa: although most are "native"
2018-08-11T17:57:30Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-11T17:57:35Z quipa: my other thought was
2018-08-11T17:57:56Z quipa: Unix and C needed another "friend" namely bash
2018-08-11T17:58:26Z quipa: to do the more mudane things of connecting stuff together
2018-08-11T17:58:34Z quipa: and organizing them
2018-08-11T17:59:01Z wasamasa: some things are very convenient to do in bash
2018-08-11T17:59:11Z wasamasa: it takes quite some expertise to not write horrible shell scripts though
2018-08-11T17:59:19Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T17:59:31Z quipa: yup but I mean that's what it was meant to be convinient no?
2018-08-11T17:59:40Z quipa: I mean imagine having to do bash stuff with C
2018-08-11T17:59:46Z quipa: it would nuts no?
2018-08-11T17:59:57Z quipa: bash would have to be invented
2018-08-11T18:00:24Z quipa: I wonder if even with lisp that would be something you could escape
2018-08-11T18:00:42Z quipa: or if you would end up with something like a low level lisp and a high level one
2018-08-11T18:00:50Z quipa: that would talk to each other
2018-08-11T18:02:30Z quipa: pjb: by the way you must have been comparing apples and oranges in that Google search hehe
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2018-08-11T18:03:41Z pjb: quipa: of course, google hit counts are meaningless.
2018-08-11T18:04:00Z quipa: hehe so why did you try and use them as a means of argument :P?
2018-08-11T18:04:13Z pjb: quipa: you're correct that the shell, and pipes, played a great role in making unix popular.
2018-08-11T18:05:08Z pjb: at the time, in other OSes it was very complicated to create new programs and commands (scripts).  You had to "install" them, before you could run them, and you had to provide JCL scripts to run them!
2018-08-11T18:05:37Z quipa: cool didn't know about JCL scripts
2018-08-11T18:05:38Z pjb: unix provided the shortest edit-compile-run cycle.
2018-08-11T18:06:01Z pjb: you didn't even have to chmod +x scripts in the beginning.
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2018-08-11T18:07:20Z quipa: JCL looks like bad COBOL (as if it could be worse hehe)
2018-08-11T18:07:50Z quipa: insane how people had to use these things in the past
2018-08-11T18:08:01Z pjb: Well, remember that at the time, this was parsed with very simple assembler programs!
2018-08-11T18:08:22Z quipa: yeah I guess that makes sense
2018-08-11T18:08:41Z pjb: C too, optimized the parsing (in C), both for the C language and for the usual data files (eg. in /etc).
2018-08-11T18:09:09Z quipa: still doesn't make it feel any less painful hehe...
2018-08-11T18:09:21Z quipa: think only punch cards beat that kind of pain
2018-08-11T18:09:23Z pjb: But today, we also have complex unix programs that are better used only from scripts with a ton of options…
2018-08-11T18:09:45Z pjb: or with config files in ~/.*config or /etc/*config
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2018-08-11T18:09:59Z pjb: (take for example ssh/sshd).
2018-08-11T18:10:53Z quipa: yup I always wonder what some of them look like in the inside
2018-08-11T18:11:19Z aeth: Unix programs never need the user to configure them or use command line options with them (it's the distro's job to set up the former and use alias to set up the latter)
2018-08-11T18:11:53Z pjb: depends if they're true Scots unix programs or not, right?
2018-08-11T18:12:57Z pjb: Take FreeRDP, it's a unix program, but it was written on MS-Windows originaly, or at least, uses a Windows layer, and actually parses microsoft command line arguments /v:foo /u:bar etc.
2018-08-11T18:13:18Z pjb: and yes, it has so many option that it can just take a configuration file instead.
2018-08-11T18:14:13Z pjb: But my point is that when the command doesn't take a configuration file, and has enough options, then as a user, you would use a script (ie. a JCL file) to run the program.
2018-08-11T18:14:46Z pjb: Sometimes instead of a script, I just save the options in a file:  mplayer $(cat foo.options) foo.avi  ;-)
2018-08-11T18:15:26Z aeth: The correct way to remember options is to use C-r to backwards search your shell history for the right usage of the command (obviously set your history to be so large it never gets deleted)
2018-08-11T18:16:00Z pjb: aeth: unfortunately, I use screen and emacs and multiple systems, so I have too many histories that are not saved.
2018-08-11T18:16:14Z pjb: Perhaps I should configure bash to save into different history files?
2018-08-11T18:19:11Z aeth: You could probably rsync your history file between machines, although that is probably a bad idea.
2018-08-11T18:19:36Z pjb: I use them in parallel.
2018-08-11T18:19:56Z pjb: I'd need to log the commands thru a remote syslog to build a complete history :-)
2018-08-11T18:20:19Z aeth: zsh supports writing to hist files in parallel. iirc, it writes to the histfile on close so you can have as many terminals up as you want on a machine
2018-08-11T18:20:25Z aeth: I think.
2018-08-11T18:20:30Z aeth: So you'd rsync on terminal close
2018-08-11T18:21:11Z pjb: Anyways, it's not really a problem: I don't depend on C-r, I store the commands I want to keep in ~/bin/ and this is on github.
2018-08-11T18:21:24Z aeth: right
2018-08-11T18:23:43Z Zipheir: aeth: Not sure if trolling.
2018-08-11T18:24:14Z aeth: Zipheir: I was joking originally about C-r but it apparently didn't translate into text
2018-08-11T18:24:41Z aeth: But it does take me a very long time to actually move some things from C-r to a more proper location anyway.
2018-08-11T18:24:53Z Zipheir: aeth: Yeah, I was pretty sure people were missing the giant troll face emerging from those lines.
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2018-08-11T18:37:15Z Zipheir: Shells and complicated command-line options are an artifact of the general primitiveness of Unix and its small-pieces-very-loosely-joined approach.
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2018-08-11T18:55:43Z quipa: Zipheir: primitiveness?
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2018-08-11T18:56:04Z quipa: can you elaborate :), would be interested the whys
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2018-08-11T18:56:20Z quipa: s/the/in the
2018-08-11T18:56:42Z pjb: quipa: have a look at uhg.
2018-08-11T18:56:56Z pjb: http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf
2018-08-11T18:57:39Z aeth: quipa: I'm guessing Zipheir is saying that if the command line is just an interface to a big background program foo that's always running, let's call it food, then it can access shared state through food and reduce the number of command line options
2018-08-11T18:57:42Z quipa: hehe didn't know of that resource
2018-08-11T18:57:42Z pjb: It was the unix hater guide, it became the unix hater handbook.
2018-08-11T18:58:42Z quipa: so what's the alternative (Besides windows)?
2018-08-11T18:58:56Z pjb: Zipheir: small pieces very loosely coupled approach is what we have in lisp and scheme: programs = functions, pipes = parameters and return values.
2018-08-11T18:58:58Z quipa: or proposal of alternative
2018-08-11T18:59:22Z pjb: Zipheir: the only difference is that in lisp we don't compute random pointers and overflow random buffers to crash our programs, so we don't need each function to run in its own addressing space.
2018-08-11T18:59:30Z quipa: Anti-foreword hehe
2018-08-11T18:59:37Z quipa: by dennis ritchie
2018-08-11T18:59:41Z quipa: xD
2018-08-11T18:59:45Z aeth: quipa: yeah that's great
2018-08-11T19:00:03Z quipa: hehe going to look at this carefully when I am done with my master's dissertation
2018-08-11T19:00:56Z quipa: I always like when serious-ish books use comics to make a point
2018-08-11T19:01:33Z Zipheir: pjb: But you really can't compose Unix programs the way you can Lisp procedures.
2018-08-11T19:02:03Z pjb: It's harder, but it's possible, in bash and other sophisticated shells, to use more than 3 file descriptors.
2018-08-11T19:02:04Z quipa: "The systems you remember so fondly (TOPS-20, ITS, Multics,
2018-08-11T19:02:04Z quipa: Lisp Machine, Cedar/Mesa, the Dorado) are not just out to pasture,
2018-08-11T19:02:04Z quipa: they are fertilizing it from below."
2018-08-11T19:02:44Z aeth: Zipheir: You can sort of do that with $(...) or `...` mixed with | and < and > etc
2018-08-11T19:02:52Z aeth: iirc
2018-08-11T19:03:29Z Zipheir: pjb: Because the pipe/program paradigm is so inexpressive compared to the ability to pass structured or procedural data in a language like Lisp. Everything shared between Unix programs has to squeeze through the flat-binary bottleneck.
2018-08-11T19:04:17Z pjb: struct { … } data; write(1,&data,sizeof(data)); … read(0,&data,sizeof(data); …
2018-08-11T19:04:26Z Zipheir: quipa: Ritchie's intro is really the best part of that book. :)
2018-08-11T19:04:28Z pjb: the text is just for the human user.
2018-08-11T19:04:43Z pjb: nobody said you couldn't use pipes to transfer binary data.
2018-08-11T19:04:57Z pjb: Or even, shared memory offsets.
2018-08-11T19:05:10Z pjb: :-)
2018-08-11T19:05:38Z Zipheir: pjb: No, they didn't. It's just a horribly bare-metal way to share structured data.
2018-08-11T19:06:03Z pjb: Of course. Nowadays, we just send xml or json…
2018-08-11T19:06:08Z wasamasa: I'm pretty sure that's what X does
2018-08-11T19:06:15Z wasamasa: send binary data over a pipe/socket
2018-08-11T19:06:17Z Zipheir: Hence people gluing together programs with 400 different I/O conventions with awk & perl.
2018-08-11T19:06:21Z pjb: actually, xml, it has specifications to send streaming xml.
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2018-08-11T19:07:51Z Zipheir: pjb: Yeah, most people have tried to fix the problem by unparsing/parsing some format. But the OS is fundamentally outdated.
2018-08-11T19:08:19Z Zipheir: And yes, it's still better than the alternatives. :)
2018-08-11T19:08:30Z pjb: Zipheir: http://metamodular.com/lispos.pdf
2018-08-11T19:08:52Z pjb: and cf. https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
2018-08-11T19:11:07Z Zipheir: Wow
2018-08-11T19:11:37Z Zipheir: The pdf link sends a reset.
2018-08-11T19:13:25Z quipa: hehe the lesser of evils?
2018-08-11T19:13:32Z Zipheir: The world would be a better place if the Lisp Machine hadn't died.
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2018-08-11T19:14:50Z Zipheir: quipa: No kidding.
2018-08-11T19:15:02Z aeth: Expensive hardware that few of us could afford?
2018-08-11T19:15:41Z quipa: hum nice and concise that pdf
2018-08-11T19:15:53Z quipa: almost makes me want to read it now :P
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2018-08-11T19:18:53Z Zipheir: aeth: Of course, in the rosy glow of fantasy, they're as cheap as Chromebooks by now. :)
2018-08-11T19:19:33Z aeth: Zipheir: I guess it's easier to make cheap hardware stronger than strong hardware cheaper.
2018-08-11T19:19:50Z aeth: Well, I mean hardware platforms
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2018-08-11T19:20:05Z aeth: Maybe that's because they set pricing expectations
2018-08-11T19:20:16Z aeth: The platform's whatever $x buys
2018-08-11T19:22:37Z Zipheir: IIUC, the story of the 80s was people trying to perfect the expensive, carefully-designed system, while at the same time IBM, Apple and Microsoft were basically destroying that market entirely.
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2018-08-11T19:24:33Z pjb: Well, exponential growth of the number of computers and programmers.
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2018-08-11T19:26:46Z Zipheir: pjb: Yeah, I guess anyone paying any attention 30 years ago would have seen that coming.
2018-08-11T19:27:55Z Zipheir: And obviously consumer computers have sort of democratized the technology, which really is an enormously good thing.
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2018-08-11T19:34:03Z quipa: and we all get to write scheme in non-lisp machines hehe
2018-08-11T19:35:10Z pjb: wonder of virtual machines.
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2018-08-11T19:48:20Z Riastradh: quipa: Pro tip: Denying someone's personal experiences, like usage of a word, is not a good strategy.  One may be a native English speaker without having personally met the billions of other English speakers on this planet and surveyed the sum total of their utterances to exclude one particular one.
2018-08-11T19:53:27Z Zipheir: Met billions of English speakers? Not even.
2018-08-11T19:53:43Z wasamasa: 3? not even.
2018-08-11T19:54:37Z Zipheir: You mean (not (even? 3)).
2018-08-11T19:54:59Z wasamasa: translated to clojure: (not-even? 3)
2018-08-11T19:55:15Z Zipheir: eww
2018-08-11T19:55:18Z wasamasa: judging by this pjb must be secretly indulging into it!
2018-08-11T19:55:34Z wasamasa: good that this isn't #lisp or they'd give him the boot
2018-08-11T19:55:53Z wasamasa: yes, clojure has if-not and when-not
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2018-08-11T20:05:29Z quipa: Riastradh: well pjb has also questioned my intelligence so yeah quid pro quo
2018-08-11T20:06:03Z quipa: and like I said I just asked what he meant to begin with
2018-08-11T20:07:03Z quipa: so yeah sorry for everyone else
2018-08-11T20:07:12Z quipa: but I am not particularly sorry for pjb
2018-08-11T20:07:49Z quipa: he should have been more welcoming to begin with
2018-08-11T20:07:59Z wasamasa: quipa pro quo
2018-08-11T20:08:04Z quipa: exactly
2018-08-11T20:08:08Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T20:08:40Z quipa: so if picking up on people's lack of understanding is his sort of thing, his game too for me
2018-08-11T20:08:48Z quipa: sorry!
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2018-08-11T20:09:35Z quipa: really didn't enjoy my first encounter here with him so yeh sorry to everyone else
2018-08-11T20:10:00Z quipa: but nonetheless I am sure he has something to teach just like I do
2018-08-11T20:10:18Z quipa: I wouldn't be even talking with him otherwise
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2018-08-11T20:11:58Z quipa: Riastradh: Newbie tip: never humiliate a newbie, he can become a pro some day... I don't direct this to you but to pjb
2018-08-11T20:12:06Z quipa: and even if he never does
2018-08-11T20:13:13Z quipa: plus if someone told you something sounds odd in their native language, would you not give them at least some credit..?
2018-08-11T20:13:29Z quipa: I mean their brain has adapted to the language since a young age
2018-08-11T20:13:33Z quipa: must count for something
2018-08-11T20:13:44Z quipa: especially when it can affect meaning and understanding
2018-08-11T20:13:51Z quipa: last but not least
2018-08-11T20:14:03Z quipa: but did "not even" even add to the discussion :P?
2018-08-11T20:14:29Z quipa: it didn't make me understand why Unix and C are connected (the following messages did help you thank you everyone)
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2018-08-11T20:15:54Z quipa: Riastradh: at the least pjb use of "not even" was patronizing, sorry
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2018-08-11T20:16:06Z quipa ends rant
2018-08-11T20:16:09Z quipa: hehe
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2018-08-11T20:18:51Z quipa: anyways have fun you guys, don't let some people (me included) ruin the channel ;) hehe, I'll show up some other time and try to follow the "pro" tips
2018-08-11T20:19:27Z Zipheir: quipa: I saw the exchange, and it doesn't seem like pjb meant to be patronizing with that remark. With all due respect, though, "sorry I am a native speaker, translator and proof reader" is pretty patronizing.
2018-08-11T20:20:06Z quipa: sure in today's context it probably doesn't feel like it
2018-08-11T20:20:13Z quipa: but considering my past discussions with pjb
2018-08-11T20:20:16Z quipa: yup it felt like it
2018-08-11T20:20:25Z quipa: so yeah too each his history
2018-08-11T20:20:50Z quipa: and that is just called experience, he tried to throw grammar terms at me
2018-08-11T20:21:19Z pjb: you asked what kind of sentence it was!
2018-08-11T20:21:21Z quipa: " pjb: And more so when you don't have an English Academy to specify the grammar rules, but only take the usage as prescriptive!"
2018-08-11T20:21:56Z quipa: "<pjb> quipa: it seems to be a "focus adverb"."
2018-08-11T20:21:58Z pjb: No, this is my defense against attacks of native English speaker against non-native English usage.
2018-08-11T20:22:16Z quipa: well if I said something that sounded strange in French
2018-08-11T20:22:23Z quipa: wouldn't you mention it too me?
2018-08-11T20:22:30Z quipa: at least that it feels straneg
2018-08-11T20:22:37Z pjb: And indeed, a quick google searcn about "not even" indicates that the kind of sentence it is, is  "focus adverb".
2018-08-11T20:22:37Z quipa: I didn't prohibit you from using it
2018-08-11T20:22:52Z pjb: Next time, I'll tell you to use the fucking google yourself.
2018-08-11T20:22:56Z quipa: it also indicates it is a colloquial interjection
2018-08-11T20:23:08Z wasamasa: lol
2018-08-11T20:24:59Z Zipheir: rudybot: not even?
2018-08-11T20:25:03Z rudybot: Zipheir: HE'S USING HIGH FALUTIN' LANGUAGE THEREFORE HE'S MUSLIM AND NOT EVEN BORN N THE USA
2018-08-11T20:25:18Z Zipheir: rudybot: Nice one.
2018-08-11T20:25:19Z rudybot: Zipheir: another nice one is that it is illegal to handle salmonin "suspicious circumstances"
2018-08-11T20:26:44Z quipa: hehe so now I am xenophobic..? or..?
2018-08-11T20:26:54Z Zipheir: Don't mind rudybot. :)
2018-08-11T20:29:42Z Riastradh: quipa: I agree that pjb should try to be less patronizing.  While I have seen a lot of patronizing commentary from him over the past fifteen years, I didn't see anything particularly wrong with his side of the exchange this time.
2018-08-11T20:30:35Z quipa: Riastradh: okay thanks so at least you get where I am coming from. Maybe I just want to give him a taste of his own medicine and went a bit too far
2018-08-11T20:31:02Z quipa: but it sincerely started out as me trying to figure what he meant
2018-08-11T20:31:42Z quipa: and the fact that his answer was "you english imperialist" is kind of telling
2018-08-11T20:32:09Z pjb: :-)
2018-08-11T20:32:54Z quipa: so yeah I was a bit of a troll, guilty! hehe
2018-08-11T20:33:09Z pjb: That said, I come here to find good scheme questions.  I'm a little sad at the actual ratio…
2018-08-11T20:33:23Z quipa: me too
2018-08-11T20:33:33Z wasamasa: is scheme a scam?
2018-08-11T20:33:40Z quipa: no that's racket
2018-08-11T20:33:48Z quipa: xD
2018-08-11T20:33:55Z wasamasa: yes, I've been asked that when mentioning my favorite scheme system to someone else
2018-08-11T20:34:23Z quipa: there all in it together in fact, scheme and racket
2018-08-11T20:34:36Z quipa: and there always some chikens and gnus involved apparently
2018-08-11T20:34:46Z wasamasa: some MITs, too
2018-08-11T20:34:54Z pjb: MIT and Bigloo.
2018-08-11T20:35:07Z Zipheir: In general, 'quid pro quo' is not a productive approach to take on IRC.
2018-08-11T20:35:26Z quipa: probable not, sorry :P!
2018-08-11T20:35:44Z quipa: but hey as zizek says
2018-08-11T20:35:51Z quipa: if you can't swear at someone a bit
2018-08-11T20:35:57Z quipa: you'll probably never become friends
2018-08-11T20:36:00Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T20:36:26Z Zipheir: That's not an excuse to be a jerk.
2018-08-11T20:36:33Z quipa: tell that to pjb!
2018-08-11T20:36:35Z quipa: too...
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2018-08-11T20:37:36Z Zipheir: It wasn't directed at anyone. It was just commentary on that Zizek slogan.
2018-08-11T20:37:47Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T20:37:48Z quipa: ah
2018-08-11T20:38:00Z quipa: don;t know that one :P
2018-08-11T20:38:15Z quipa: mostly cut of the balls and obscenity are my favourite quotes of his
2018-08-11T20:39:17Z quipa: http://zizekpodcast.com/2016/04/19/ziz015-the-ambiguity-of-obscenity-2009/
2018-08-11T20:39:22Z quipa: I like the title of this talk
2018-08-11T20:39:30Z quipa: hehe
2018-08-11T20:39:43Z quipa: although his talks always talk about everything else before getting to the point
2018-08-11T20:39:49Z wasamasa: who the heck is that guy
2018-08-11T20:39:49Z quipa: but it is great fun along the way
2018-08-11T20:39:57Z quipa: he is the "best" hehe
2018-08-11T20:40:05Z Zipheir: wasamasa: 'The Elvis Presley of Philosophy', allegedly...
2018-08-11T20:40:15Z wasamasa: lol
2018-08-11T20:40:22Z quipa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEnkDEgALGI
2018-08-11T20:41:03Z wasamasa: with that name I wondered whether he was the director of A Serbian Film
2018-08-11T20:41:21Z quipa: actually he has some good analysis of films
2018-08-11T20:41:31Z quipa: he even has a introduction to philosophy with films?
2018-08-11T20:41:38Z quipa: haven;t watched the whole one
2018-08-11T20:41:42Z quipa: whole film
2018-08-11T20:41:51Z quipa: but from the clips it looks interesting and fun
2018-08-11T20:42:04Z quipa: anyways
2018-08-11T20:42:08Z quipa: drifting from scheme again
2018-08-11T20:42:56Z pjb: There's #lispcafe
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2018-08-11T20:43:10Z quipa: sure
2018-08-11T20:43:31Z quipa: probably best there :P
2018-08-11T20:43:57Z quipa: anyways if it is okay by you
2018-08-11T20:44:32Z quipa: pjb: let's just place this in a zizek obscenity context and start from a clean slate hehe is that okay with you?
2018-08-11T20:45:13Z quipa: next time I'll ask what you mean a bit more politely or at most tongue in cheek
2018-08-11T20:46:31Z quipa: sorry for everyone one else if you felt offended somehow
2018-08-11T20:47:04Z quipa: I don't mind apologizing, but I hope we don't keep things too PC yes..?
2018-08-11T20:49:16Z quipa: cya guys around (and I mean guys and gals and everyone else by guys, yes :P?)
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2018-08-11T21:07:55Z Zipheir: rudybot: Too much drama!
2018-08-11T21:07:56Z rudybot: Zipheir: there was SOOO much juicy drama around that company too
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2018-08-11T21:26:57Z quipa: loads of drama :P
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2018-08-12T21:35:12Z amz31: reality strikes back!
2018-08-12T21:35:30Z amz31: I have biology!
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2018-08-14T06:29:33Z rudybot: you, sir, are a gent of the highest calibre
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2018-08-14T12:13:56Z lequestion: can someone tell me why, syntactically, does else have to be completely parenthesized, while cond does not?
2018-08-14T12:15:29Z ventonegro: (cond <test> <clauses>+)
2018-08-14T12:15:42Z ventonegro: `else` is just another clause
2018-08-14T12:16:19Z ventonegro: Sorry, (cond <clauses>+)
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2018-08-14T12:17:09Z ventonegro: It is, but as all other clauses, it's inside ()
2018-08-14T12:18:25Z ventonegro: I think in Common Lisp you just put a `t` there
2018-08-14T12:20:16Z lequestion: thank you
2018-08-14T12:20:31Z ventonegro: sure
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2018-08-14T13:03:31Z pierpal: else is not a special form
2018-08-14T13:03:43Z pierpal: just a keyword
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2018-08-14T15:02:06Z qu1j0t3: jcowan: yeah, i saw the linkedin notice :-)
2018-08-14T15:02:08Z qu1j0t3: jcowan: congrats
2018-08-14T15:02:20Z qu1j0t3 writes a lot of scala
2018-08-14T15:02:27Z qu1j0t3 both pure func and not
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2018-08-14T15:06:59Z jcowan: hopefully it is decently written, I expect so based on conversations so far
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2018-08-14T15:37:03Z jcowan: basically it's a "turn PDFs into web forms" company
2018-08-14T15:37:04Z gwatt: I mean, that would be nice
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2018-08-15T23:41:01Z Zipheir: What's a nice compact way to reduce a list of booleans with conjunction? Is (fold-right (lambda (b rest) (and b rest)) #t l) the best option?
2018-08-15T23:41:47Z qu1j0t3: you can just apply AND as far as I know.
2018-08-15T23:41:53Z gwatt: you cannot
2018-08-15T23:41:56Z Zipheir: Nope
2018-08-15T23:41:56Z qu1j0t3: no?
2018-08-15T23:42:03Z gwatt: and is syntax, apply requires a function
2018-08-15T23:42:12Z qu1j0t3: oh, right. special form.
2018-08-15T23:42:37Z Zipheir: Even with an and-like procedure, apply isn't robust on arbitrary lists.
2018-08-15T23:42:38Z gwatt: I would probably do something like (for-all values lst)
2018-08-15T23:44:08Z Zipheir: gwatt: Where is for-all defined, an SRFI? I'm not familiar with it.
2018-08-15T23:44:59Z gwatt: it's in r6rs, not sure about the rest
2018-08-15T23:45:20Z Zipheir: Hmm, ok.
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2018-08-15T23:46:04Z Zipheir: There's also (every (lambda (b) b) lst), which looks sort of silly.
2018-08-15T23:46:32Z gwatt: I usually pass values as the identity function
2018-08-15T23:46:58Z Zipheir: Right.
2018-08-15T23:47:37Z Zipheir: A lot of schemes provide an explicit identity function, which is probably the least surprising option.
2018-08-15T23:48:18Z Zipheir: Thanks, folks :)
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2018-08-15T23:54:18Z Zipheir: This actually might be a case where it makes sense to pull out SRFI-1's little-used reduce :)
2018-08-15T23:55:54Z qu1j0t3: yeah
2018-08-15T23:56:39Z gwatt: reduce won't short circuit if you find a false
2018-08-15T23:57:18Z gwatt: actually, (member #f lst)
2018-08-15T23:57:27Z gwatt: wrapped in (not ...)
2018-08-15T23:58:10Z Zipheir: Oh, that'll work.
2018-08-16T00:00:21Z Zipheir: I was ignoring that for some reason. Probably because member returns a list, not a boolean.
2018-08-16T00:00:22Z qu1j0t3: gwatt: haha nice
2018-08-16T00:00:27Z Zipheir: Haskell is infecting my thinking.
2018-08-16T00:00:38Z gwatt: not a bad thing
2018-08-16T00:00:41Z qu1j0t3: ^
2018-08-16T00:00:44Z gwatt: laziness can be pretty nice
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2018-08-16T00:12:11Z gwatt: or I guess (find #f lst) is even simpler
2018-08-16T00:12:25Z gwatt: erm, wait, nevermind
2018-08-16T00:25:00Z Zipheir: (call-with-current-continuation (lambda (k) (let loop ((l lst)) (cond ((null lst) #t) ((not (car lst)) (k #f)) (else (loop (cdr l)))))))
2018-08-16T00:25:06Z Zipheir: \m/
2018-08-16T00:25:19Z Zipheir: The one true way to short-circuit. :)
2018-08-16T00:28:13Z mange: That call-with-current-continuation is just there to make it more confusing, right? It's not actually doing anything?
2018-08-16T00:28:43Z Zipheir: Nope, it's not.
2018-08-16T00:29:18Z Zipheir: Should be (k #t) in the first cond line to be consistently pointless, oh well.
2018-08-16T00:30:22Z Zipheir: If it weren't a tail loop there would be a point to call/cc.
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2018-08-16T13:03:29Z ecraven: hm.. having a really hard time writing a macro that generates a bunch of names. what's a good introduction to syntax-case for unhygienic macros?
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2018-08-16T13:09:29Z gwatt: what are you trying to do?
2018-08-16T13:11:35Z gwatt: I mostly looked through r6rs/csug for examples.
2018-08-16T13:12:03Z ecraven: http://ix.io/1km0
2018-08-16T13:12:33Z ecraven: trying to port my X11 library from mit-scheme (no syntax-case) to chez (only syntax-case)
2018-08-16T13:18:03Z gwatt: Have you written your version of this yet: https://pastebin.com/UeHRj7Hg
2018-08-16T13:19:24Z ecraven: yes, the problem is, I don't quite understand how to generate (foo (bar baaz) quux)-like things. I've tried quasisyntax, but ran into phase issues there
2018-08-16T13:21:39Z gwatt: I'm nto sure I understand what you mean by "(foo (bar baaz) quuz)-like things"
2018-08-16T13:22:29Z ecraven: applications
2018-08-16T13:23:18Z ecraven: something like ((make-identifier ...) 1 (make-identifier ...))
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2018-08-16T13:24:43Z gwatt: or you could do (with-syntax ([foo (make-id foo)] [bar (make-id bar)]) #'(foo bar))
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2018-08-16T13:27:54Z weinholt: i think you also need datum->syntax somewhere in there, no?
2018-08-16T13:28:15Z gwatt: I assumed that was implicit in the make-id
2018-08-16T13:28:36Z ecraven: thanks, I'll try that
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2018-08-16T13:52:16Z amz31: hello #scheme
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2018-08-16T14:49:59Z Zipheir`: amz31: o/
2018-08-16T14:50:18Z amz31: Hey, I had a scheme question but forgot about it
2018-08-16T14:50:32Z amz31: ^^
2018-08-16T14:51:46Z gwatt: you'll never get answers that way
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2018-08-16T14:53:01Z Zipheir`: amz31: Maybe you just need to force your question-promise.
2018-08-16T14:53:21Z amz31: ^^
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2018-08-16T16:50:10Z Zipheir`: rudybot: How's being an AI treating you today?
2018-08-16T16:50:15Z rudybot: Zipheir`: Is there any general solution to treating a macro as a procedure?
2018-08-16T16:50:37Z Zipheir`: Wow.
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2018-08-16T16:53:53Z qu1j0t3: truly AI is advancing
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2018-08-16T19:21:41Z ecraven: gwatt: I haven't had time to finish it, but it's working much better than before ;)
2018-08-16T19:22:01Z ecraven: is it guaranteed that, within the same context, I get the same identifier for running (make-id "foo") twice?
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2018-08-16T19:40:03Z aeth: rudybot: Do you mean something like using macros in higher order functions? I'm not sure how that could work in general.
2018-08-16T19:40:33Z rudybot: aeth: Because of this dichotomy between function name and function, I find that it's often practical to define meta-functions as macros instead of higher order functions.  This is unsatisfying.
2018-08-16T19:46:38Z Zipheir`: rudybot: You're pretty lost.
2018-08-16T19:46:39Z rudybot: Zipheir`: the lead article about the japanese earthquake in the latest risks forum is pretty scary: some municipalities lost not only the citizen databases, but also the backups and the government people who maintained them are dead or dissappeared
2018-08-16T19:47:30Z gwatt: ecraven: There are a couple ways I can interpret that question, but I think the answer is "yes"
2018-08-16T19:48:28Z gwatt: Definitely "yes" if make-id isn't itself calling datum->syntax.
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2018-08-16T19:49:02Z gwatt: and even if it is, as long as the template is the same, you should be fine.
2018-08-16T19:49:38Z jcowan: In catastrophic events like that, ordinary reliability precautions go out the window
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2018-08-16T20:03:44Z aeth: rudybot: What do you think about r7rs-small?
2018-08-16T20:03:52Z rudybot: aeth: I think the plan is to just write more and more SRFIs. well, there was some talk about mandating these and those features which are optional in R7RS-small (like *full* Unicode support), and making some SRFIs obligatory, but no idea about that to be honest
2018-08-16T20:16:22Z qu1j0t3: jcowan: I wonder what year that was from
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2018-08-16T20:21:56Z jcowan: qu1j0t3: what year *what* was from?
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2018-08-16T20:31:39Z qu1j0t3: jcowan: the earthquake reference that rudybot coughed up
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2018-08-16T20:33:15Z jcowan: qu1j0t3: 2011
2018-08-16T20:33:49Z jcowan: more usually thought of as the Japanese tsunami catastrophe, though the tsunami was triggered by an earthquaie
2018-08-16T20:33:52Z jcowan: quake
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2018-08-17T08:33:33Z remix2000: I have a small program that generates XML markup. Do you think that it's an overkill to use macro here? https://hastebin.com/jemahowutu.ss
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2018-08-17T08:56:59Z ecraven: I wish we could update substring to take start and end optionally
2018-08-17T08:57:05Z ecraven: so I can pass in start, but not end
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2018-08-17T09:06:26Z manumanumanu: ecraven: isn't the case? substring/shared from srfi-13 works like that
2018-08-17T09:07:36Z ecraven: page 47 of r7rs, (substring string start end), nothing is optional
2018-08-17T09:08:10Z ecraven: `string->list` for example, on the same page, has optional start/end
2018-08-17T09:08:19Z manumanumanu: hmh. I am just used to implementations being nice then. both chicken and guile does what you want.
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2018-08-17T09:08:41Z ecraven: yea, imho this might be a good idea to fix in r7rs-large or r8rs or whatever
2018-08-17T09:10:52Z manumanumanu: maybe they wanted to just do the same as r5rs.
2018-08-17T09:11:12Z ecraven: yea, but string->list got changed also, I think?
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2018-08-17T13:23:19Z gwatt: remix2000: yeah, dom-of is pretty easy to write as a normal function
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2018-08-17T13:28:39Z remix2000: gwatt: How could I recognize a function that should be implemented as a macro? This one in my opinion is clearer as a macro.
2018-08-17T13:29:12Z rain1: it is best to use a function when you can
2018-08-17T13:30:38Z remix2000: Because of performance?
2018-08-17T13:31:09Z rain1: no its because a function is a tool that you can take with you anywhere. but a macro is like a work bench you have to bring your stuff to, to use.
2018-08-17T13:31:53Z gwatt: remix2000: you're not doing anything with the arguments that require compile-time operations.
2018-08-17T13:32:46Z gwatt: If you're constructing a binding form (like let or let*) or if you're delaying evaluation (like cond or case) then you need a macro
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2018-08-17T13:36:04Z gwatt: remix2000: I wrote something similar for html:  https://gist.github.com/gwatt/f93802518c8e479c4475b851b65cf5e6#file-hmtl-scm-L63-L76
2018-08-17T13:37:51Z remix2000: Ok, thanks gwatt :) I'll take a look.
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2018-08-17T14:17:07Z jcowan: remix2000: Indeed, one reason to use a macro *is* performance, but inlining is superior on Schemes that provide it.
2018-08-17T14:17:50Z jcowan: When you write a function, you are extending the behavior of Scheme.  When you write a macro, you are extending the *syntax* of Scheme.  Think more than twice before you extend the syntax of any language (of course, in most languages you can't!)
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2018-08-17T14:18:07Z jcowan: Lisp, the programmable programming language, as our friends in #lisp say.
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2018-08-17T14:23:29Z lequestion: hello, the following procedure computes the Ackermann function https://pastebin.com/VsdR5SRQ
2018-08-17T14:23:57Z lequestion: however, I do not understand why does x stay 1 after evaluating it as 0 in (- x 1)
2018-08-17T14:24:10Z lequestion: here is where that happens http://community.schemewiki.org/?sicp-ex-1.10
2018-08-17T14:24:18Z lequestion: Can someone explain this?
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2018-08-17T14:27:01Z gwatt: what is your input to the function?
2018-08-17T14:27:08Z lequestion: 1 10
2018-08-17T14:28:37Z lequestion: My guess is that all the arguments must be evaluated for the interpreter to accept the new evaluations
2018-08-17T14:30:29Z gwatt: Yeah, the order of argument evaluation is undefined in scheme. Your scheme could be evaluating the second argument first, which would result in x remaining 1 while y is decremented
2018-08-17T14:33:09Z lequestion: So if im right, the order of evaluation can change the entire output of the program, and there is no standard rule to the order of evaluating?
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2018-08-17T14:34:03Z gwatt: yes and no. If the expressions you're evaluating have side effects, then the system is unpredictable
2018-08-17T14:34:39Z gwatt: but something like (+ (* 2 3) (* 4 5)) is always going to be the same
2018-08-17T14:34:59Z gwatt: it doesn't matter if (* 2 3) or (* 4 5) is evaluated first.
2018-08-17T14:35:53Z lequestion: Might you tell me what the standard interpreter for scheme is? I'm new and can't grasp how certain programs work without the knowledge
2018-08-17T14:35:54Z jcowan: however, (- x 1) does not change the value of x, it just returns a value that is 1 less than x
2018-08-17T14:36:38Z gwatt: lequestion: there's no standard implementation of scheme.
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2018-08-17T14:41:30Z lequestion: jcowan, how do you explain this program then? https://pastebin.com/k4wtXFGT
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2018-08-17T14:43:14Z jcowan: lequestion: you should read http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations including the comments.  Excellent advice on how to pick a Scheme
2018-08-17T14:44:22Z jcowan: fact-iter in that example invokes itself with new values for its arguments
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2018-08-17T14:55:19Z lequestion: jcowan, but why doesn't that happen with
2018-08-17T14:55:26Z lequestion: ... (- x 1)?
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2018-08-17T15:04:03Z jcowan: lequestion: What do you think is wrong with your A function?
2018-08-17T15:05:19Z lequestion: jcowan, the thing that confuses me is how the arguments change themselves in the fact-iter procedure, while in the A, (- x 1), does not change x
2018-08-17T15:05:42Z lequestion: and it still has the value 1
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2018-08-17T15:07:38Z jcowan: The arguments don't change themselves
2018-08-17T15:08:04Z jcowan: it's simply that the next time fact-iter is invoked, the arguments will have new values because you have called fact-iter with new values
2018-08-17T15:08:16Z jcowan: and the same is true of A
2018-08-17T15:10:34Z lequestion: But if the A function is called, analyzing "(else (A (- x 1) (A x (- y 1))))))", x should be 0 if (- x 1) is first evaluated jcowan?
2018-08-17T15:10:44Z jcowan: No.
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2018-08-17T15:11:05Z jcowan: (- x 1) is just  x - 1, it does not change x in any way.
2018-08-17T15:11:34Z jcowan: lequestion: do you know any other programming languages?
2018-08-17T15:11:55Z lequestion: jcowan, I can barely say I know any language, even Scheme lol
2018-08-17T15:12:47Z lequestion: I'm utterly confused. There's definitely something wrong with how i understood something
2018-08-17T15:14:25Z lequestion: Can I go through this with you again?
2018-08-17T15:14:41Z lequestion: I'll try to be as concise as possible
2018-08-17T15:22:32Z jcowan: okay, tell me what you think is going on in A
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2018-08-17T15:30:00Z lequestion: jcowan, I don't know what is going on in A, but judging by the way fact-iter behaves, in each one of its iterations it doesn't forget the last evaluation the first 2 arguments, so they "add up" subsequently, while in A, the first argument, x, is evaluated with (- x 1), and the y argument calls the A function, which now also has 2 arguments: x (which should subsequently be 0 to my understanding) and y (which does not matter for
2018-08-17T15:30:00Z lequestion: this point).
2018-08-17T15:30:30Z lequestion: the last evaluation of the first 2 arguments*
2018-08-17T15:33:42Z jcowan: no, there is no such magic
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2018-08-17T15:34:05Z jcowan: when a procedure calls itself, it is no different from calling any other procedure
2018-08-17T15:34:42Z lequestion: I am still dazzled
2018-08-17T15:36:43Z lequestion: "it's simply that the next time fact-iter is invoked, the arguments will have new values because you have called fact-iter with new values"
2018-08-17T15:37:10Z lequestion: This is the key to my understanding, but i dont see how it applies to the A function, because if it did, x would be 0
2018-08-17T15:37:36Z gwatt: remember that A calls itself twice
2018-08-17T15:38:28Z lequestion: yes
2018-08-17T15:39:22Z gwatt: given (A 1 10), A will then do (A 0 10) and (A 1 9), but the order it evaluates those is undefined. (A 1 9) could be evaluated before (A 0 10)
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2018-08-17T15:40:00Z gwatt: likewise, (A 1 9) will call (A 0 9) and (A 1 8)
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2018-08-17T15:42:34Z gwatt: oh, whoops. I misread how that function works and have been giving you wrong information.
2018-08-17T15:42:44Z lequestion: thank god lol
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2018-08-17T15:43:12Z gwatt: backing up, (A 1 10) will call (A 0 (A 1 9))
2018-08-17T15:43:40Z gwatt: and (A 1 9) becomes (A 0 (A 1 8))
2018-08-17T15:44:27Z lequestion: why isn't it first (A 1 10) and then (A 0 (A 0 9))?
2018-08-17T15:44:51Z gwatt: remember that (- x 1) doesn't modify x
2018-08-17T15:44:58Z gwatt: it returns a new value
2018-08-17T15:45:11Z lequestion: yes that's where im confused
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2018-08-17T15:45:17Z lequestion: how and why doesn't it modify x?
2018-08-17T15:45:45Z lequestion: i COULD say it doesn't, but then there's a problem with understanding the fact-iter procedure
2018-08-17T15:46:29Z gwatt: what is the value of (- 10 1)
2018-08-17T15:46:36Z lequestion: 9
2018-08-17T15:46:50Z gwatt: and the "10" remains unchanged
2018-08-17T15:47:25Z lequestion: i know that, but x's name does not matter to me, what matters to me is the place of x, the first argument of the A procedure
2018-08-17T15:48:02Z lequestion: and as the first argument changed, the next time the A function gets called the first argument will abide with that
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2018-08-17T15:50:18Z gwatt: no, the next time A is called the first argument will be whatever is passed to it.
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2018-08-17T15:52:26Z gwatt: one invocation of A does not change the arguments of prior invocations of A.
2018-08-17T15:54:33Z lequestion: So if i got this right, this is how it is: an invocation will pass the arguments local to only that invocation, and and when another invocation happens within that invocation, the already updated arguments get updated again, and so on?
2018-08-17T15:56:03Z lequestion: the invocation must complete so that the arguments can have new values?
2018-08-17T15:57:29Z lequestion: This is a bit confusing so i apologize
2018-08-17T15:58:08Z lequestion: I mean, if the invocation completes, only the invocation will have passed values, nothing else
2018-08-17T15:59:18Z lequestion: the x will not be 0 because that particular place with the A procedure didn't invoke itself yet?
2018-08-17T16:02:41Z gwatt: I think you're on the right track.
2018-08-17T16:03:02Z lequestion: I think i obliterated you with this junk explanation
2018-08-17T16:03:05Z lequestion: lol
2018-08-17T16:04:08Z lequestion: Anyways, thank you a bunch for your efforts gwatt jcowan
2018-08-17T16:04:28Z lequestion: this consumed a good amount of time lol
2018-08-17T16:04:31Z jcowan: sounds about right to je
2018-08-17T16:04:34Z jcowan: me, even
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2018-08-17T16:55:41Z ecraven: jcowan: any reason why substring doesn't take optional start/end like most other procedures in r7rs?
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2018-08-17T17:16:42Z jcowan: ecraven: backwards compatibility
2018-08-17T17:16:46Z jcowan: you have string-copy for that
2018-08-17T17:26:45Z ecraven: ah, I totally missed that. thanks!
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2018-08-17T18:25:46Z Combinatorialist: What's the difference between define and define* ?
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2018-08-17T18:30:52Z gwatt: what scheme are you using? I don't think define* is a part of any standard
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2018-08-17T18:57:20Z manumanumanu: gwatt: he asked in guile as well, where he got the answer: it is like define but with optional and keyword arguments
2018-08-17T18:57:33Z gwatt: ah, cool
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2018-08-17T19:38:24Z wasamasa: define* is non-standard
2018-08-17T19:49:41Z manumanumanu: it is. But compiling it without keywords to case-lambda should be pretty easy.
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2018-08-17T20:14:14Z ecraven: but keywords are the interesting part, optionals are already solved with case-lambda :D
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2018-08-18T02:03:00Z Zipheir: rudybot: Is there just too much programming knowledge to keep in one head, or are humans just bad at this?
2018-08-18T02:03:26Z rudybot: Zipheir: That doesn't seem to make much sense. Wouldn't religion be less needed as humans increase their knowledge and power over their environment?
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2018-08-18T02:42:16Z qu1j0t3: whoa ry
2018-08-18T02:42:18Z qu1j0t3: whoa rudybot
2018-08-18T02:42:25Z qu1j0t3: rudybot: cool yr jets
2018-08-18T02:42:26Z rudybot: qu1j0t3: "Last month, the entire fleet of brand new F-22 Raptor jets was grounded for the third time in the past year after toxins like anti-freeze and propane started appearing in pilots' blood."
2018-08-18T02:42:35Z nisstyre: rudybot: checkmate theists
2018-08-18T02:42:35Z rudybot: nisstyre: "If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate." -- Zapp Brannigan
2018-08-18T02:42:36Z qu1j0t3: rudybot: Wait till you hear about the F35
2018-08-18T02:42:49Z qu1j0t3: <3 Zapp
2018-08-18T02:42:50Z rudybot: qu1j0t3: Why does a key bound to F35 (^[[49~) interpret as ~ in emacs but ^[[18~ is <f7>; how can function keys of 20+ be interpreted?
2018-08-18T02:42:52Z qu1j0t3: great quote
2018-08-18T02:43:03Z nisstyre: rudybot: what do you think of elisp?
2018-08-18T02:43:09Z qu1j0t3: now you're just taunting it
2018-08-18T02:43:10Z rudybot: nisstyre: what do you think are the advatnages of elisp overother lisps (curiosity)?
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2018-08-19T21:28:28Z amz31: I got a hand on the question I wanted to ask
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2018-08-19T21:30:08Z amz3: oops!
2018-08-19T21:30:39Z amz3: so my question is not very scheme specific, but since we were discussing the cathedral and the bazaar some time ago
2018-08-19T21:30:55Z amz3: this made me think about RERO aka. Release Early Release Often
2018-08-19T21:31:26Z amz3: at think that is a way of doing software that is advocated by the author of that book
2018-08-19T21:31:41Z amz3: so what do you think
2018-08-19T21:31:42Z Zipheir: Yes
2018-08-19T21:31:47Z amz3: to RERO or not to RERO?
2018-08-19T21:32:00Z Zipheir: DVCS has made the point moot.
2018-08-19T21:32:31Z Zipheir: i.e. RERO won the open source world, big time.
2018-08-19T21:34:45Z Zipheir: So I guess the question now is whether to try to scare people into only using official releases rather than the latest commit?
2018-08-19T21:36:33Z amz3: I will ask the question otherwise, when do you publicly talk about your project outside git log?
2018-08-19T21:36:58Z amz3: when do you know it's too much talking and not enough coding?
2018-08-19T21:37:50Z Zipheir: Good question.
2018-08-19T21:39:02Z amz3: At least in Scheme community, I've never been bothered by being noisy about my projects so I guess I am doing it right
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2018-08-19T21:40:10Z Zipheir: How's this: Talk about a worthwhile project (a) when you first get it working and (b) to the people who use it each time you add/remove/break some major component.
2018-08-19T21:40:47Z amz3: looks good to me
2018-08-19T21:41:05Z Zipheir: The devil is in the 'worthwhile' part. :)
2018-08-19T21:42:37Z Zipheir: I think you hit on a bigger point, though, which is how to find people who would want to use software you write.
2018-08-19T21:43:39Z Zipheir: And vice versa, i.e. finding projects _you_ want to contribute to.
2018-08-19T21:44:39Z amz3: well, I stopped looking for project i want to contribute, I found another way... I build my own things and contribute along the path to achieve my goal
2018-08-19T21:44:55Z amz3: s/well, //
2018-08-19T21:46:01Z Zipheir: That makes sense.
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2018-08-19T21:48:17Z amz3: there is catch to that, so far I contributed nothing to other projects, except guix package definitions
2018-08-19T21:48:38Z amz3: I consider standalone code / libs as small contributions
2018-08-19T21:49:13Z amz3: I read most indie hackers are in that situation
2018-08-19T21:49:33Z Zipheir: Most likely.
2018-08-19T21:51:31Z Zipheir: I don't know whether that's because people don't want to contribute or are too shy, or if most projects just lack clear "How To Contribute" pages.
2018-08-19T21:52:41Z Zipheir: ... or if too many projects flame anyone sending a patch.
2018-08-19T21:53:44Z amz3: I can answer for myself: a) I pursue my own lullaby b) contributing to a project means reading the code which way more difficult that just coding stuff from scratch
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2018-08-19T21:54:32Z Zipheir: ^^ b) : DING DING DING!
2018-08-19T21:54:49Z Zipheir: Understanding code is harder than writing new code.
2018-08-19T21:54:54Z amz3: yes
2018-08-19T21:55:07Z Zipheir: rudybot: You're right, humans suck at programming.
2018-08-19T21:55:14Z rudybot: Zipheir: All programming languages suck, because humans are too stupid to design a "perfect" language.
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2018-08-19T21:57:40Z amz3: none taken
2018-08-19T21:57:44Z Zipheir is human, I promise.
2018-08-19T22:03:05Z Zipheir: IIRC, The Cathedral and the Bazaar talked about making regular announcements of changes, asking users for suggestions, and encouraging lots and lots of code contributions.
2018-08-19T22:04:28Z Zipheir: Which is similar to businesses trying to, ahem, 'engage their communities'.
2018-08-19T22:05:03Z Zipheir: Rather than the 'our way or the highway' attitude of traditional businesses.
2018-08-19T22:05:15Z Zipheir: Well, traditional software businesses.
2018-08-19T22:05:52Z Zipheir: I guess my point is that RERO is more of a marketing philosophy than a design methodology.
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2018-08-22T03:54:26Z fifi-v: Reading SICP section 3.5 (stream), evaluating (define integers (integers-starting-from 1)) hangs on both guile and chez-scheme, `cons-stream' is defined as (define (cons-stream a b) (cons a (delay b))), any idea? https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-24.html#%_sec_3.5.2
2018-08-22T03:59:10Z Riastradh: fifi-v: How did you come upon that definition of cons-stream?
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2018-08-22T04:03:31Z fifi-v: Riastradh: according to https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-24.html#%_idx_3778
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2018-08-22T04:04:07Z fifi-v: I see, it should be a special form not a procedure, do I define special form with macro?
2018-08-22T04:05:45Z Riastradh: Yes.
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2018-08-22T04:30:44Z fifi-v: Riastradh: cool, (defmacro cons-stream (a b) `(cons ,a (delay ,b))) works
2018-08-22T04:30:51Z fifi-v: thank you
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2018-08-22T17:28:10Z Duns_Scrotus: anybody know how to have a look at the assembly generated by chez? i don't see a feature in chez itself and macos's flavor of objdump does not like the .so files generated by compile-file
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2018-08-22T17:30:41Z gwatt: Duns_Scrotus: you can do (#%$assembly-output #t) to print the assembly to stdout, or give it a textual port to send it somewhere
2018-08-22T17:31:56Z Duns_Scrotus: gwatt: ah lovely thank you
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2018-08-22T17:55:18Z gwatt: Duns_Scrotus: also, "so" files generated by Chez are "scheme objects" and not "shared objects" from the unix world. It's an unfortunate coincidence.
2018-08-22T18:12:59Z jcowan: They aren't?  I thought Chez actually does use Unix shared-library format on all platforms.
2018-08-22T18:13:58Z gwatt: nope, it's a fasl file
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2018-08-22T18:23:49Z gwatt: in this case, $assembly-output is the actual name and #% just allows access to it
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2018-08-23T00:31:42Z black_13: does the character @ have any special significance to scheme
2018-08-23T00:32:11Z black_13: "http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/" is dead
2018-08-23T00:32:15Z black_13: es tot
2018-08-23T00:54:23Z pierpa: No special significance. Though it is used in the ` syntax.
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2018-08-23T18:48:59Z amz3: hey #scheme
2018-08-23T18:49:11Z amz3: I got a tips from a growth hacker collegue
2018-08-23T18:49:31Z amz3: I was talking about scheme, he had no clue what is it
2018-08-23T18:49:53Z amz3: anyway, long story short he recommended to create a scheme-lang.com
2018-08-23T18:49:59Z amz3: wdyt?
2018-08-23T18:50:12Z qu1j0t3: why does Scheme need a growth hack
2018-08-23T18:51:04Z amz3: well, because it's a real language and people have no clue about it?
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2018-08-23T18:54:23Z amz3: also the world needs scheme and hence know about scheme :)
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2018-08-23T18:59:40Z gwatt: there's scheme.com
2018-08-23T18:59:55Z gwatt: but that's owned by dybvig or cisco
2018-08-23T19:00:55Z gwatt: there's also schemers.org
2018-08-23T19:04:09Z amz3: btw schemers.org has SSL issue
2018-08-23T19:05:11Z qu1j0t3: that will hurt seo!
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2018-08-23T19:12:56Z amz3: scheme.com and schemers.org are fine
2018-08-23T19:13:30Z amz3: but they are not sillicon valley friendly ;]
2018-08-23T19:14:49Z amz3: look at http://elm-lang.org/ for instance, a crappy language to my opinion made the news just because it's shiny silicon valley friendly
2018-08-23T19:16:27Z amz3: what is missing in scheme lang is tail call optimisation in web browsers and the ability to program ios and android i think
2018-08-23T19:17:11Z amz3: let's do this scheme-lang.com thing
2018-08-23T19:17:20Z amz3: who is up for a web design ?
2018-08-23T19:20:09Z wasamasa: don't listen to these people
2018-08-23T19:20:19Z wasamasa: scheme isn't made for monetization
2018-08-23T19:20:33Z amz3: keep going
2018-08-23T19:20:38Z wasamasa: growth hacking is a scam anyway
2018-08-23T19:20:59Z wasamasa: what use are numerous signups if everyone is unhappy with your product
2018-08-23T19:21:27Z amz3: i am reading that
2018-08-23T19:21:50Z gnomon: "Not silicon valley friendly" is a feature, not a bug.
2018-08-23T19:22:06Z amz3: I agree
2018-08-23T19:22:22Z amz3: somewhat
2018-08-23T19:22:29Z wasamasa: I for one like my scheme's community
2018-08-23T19:23:19Z amz3: I did not say, I don't like scheme community
2018-08-23T19:23:39Z wasamasa: I think #lisp tried this before
2018-08-23T19:24:00Z amz3: my mother has always told me that first impression is very important
2018-08-23T19:24:13Z wasamasa: it's not particularly convincing if you point at bought out lisp startups while your IRC channel is a dumpster fire for newbies
2018-08-23T19:24:50Z amz3: what do you mean, i don't understand
2018-08-23T19:25:43Z wasamasa: http://lisp-lang.org/
2018-08-23T19:25:53Z amz3: #lisp is not welcoming newbies?
2018-08-23T19:26:16Z wasamasa: it chews them out for not knowing the standard inside out
2018-08-23T19:26:58Z wasamasa: you can get away with this if you're ##c and everyone uses that language
2018-08-23T19:27:32Z amz3: well, that is a bummer, but the problem is not the newbies but #lisp regulars i guess
2018-08-23T19:27:50Z wasamasa: exactly
2018-08-23T19:27:53Z amz3: if someone ask a stupid question and you don't feel like answering it, just don't.
2018-08-23T19:28:10Z amz3: it happens all the time on #guile not problem imo
2018-08-23T19:28:25Z wasamasa: you mean, the part of nobody answering?
2018-08-23T19:28:29Z amz3: yes
2018-08-23T19:28:38Z amz3: well, you need to do your home work first
2018-08-23T19:28:41Z amz3: somewhat
2018-08-23T19:29:22Z amz3: it's best if someone replies, but if nobody replies... then you need to keep it up
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2018-08-23T19:30:12Z amz3: also, smart newbies will ask the question on StackOverflow like "how to get the n-th element of a list?" and get a response anyway
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2018-08-23T19:31:34Z wasamasa: I mean, I can somewhat understand that people get frustrated, but it's better for everyone involved that they move on and someone else replaces them
2018-08-23T19:32:50Z amz3: I agree
2018-08-23T19:33:03Z wasamasa: been there, done that
2018-08-23T19:33:17Z amz3: and not every scheme programmer need to be able to implement their bare metal compiler for scheme
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2018-08-23T19:33:56Z amz3: or know the standard by hearth, that's know how other the industry works
2018-08-23T19:34:21Z amz3: some people write good (or less good code) and the bulk of the community maitains it
2018-08-23T19:34:31Z amz3: that's my impression and reflect some of my recent readings
2018-08-23T19:34:31Z wasamasa: what community?
2018-08-23T19:34:51Z wasamasa: it's not like there's a single scheme community...
2018-08-23T19:34:54Z gwatt: Going back to the website discussion, I think that schemers.org is the best place if you want to get some stuff out there. It already hosts the srfis
2018-08-23T19:35:06Z gwatt: for generic scheme stuff.
2018-08-23T19:35:11Z amz3: I mean in general, in companies, a few people write the code and the bulk of the people only do fixes here and there keeping it up
2018-08-23T19:35:31Z qu1j0t3: by coincidence, just saw this thread on twitter https://twitter.com/Hillelogram/status/1032440522164645889
2018-08-23T19:35:42Z wasamasa: ah yes, I might do that soon again
2018-08-23T19:36:04Z wasamasa: my boss gave me the green light to use scheme if it's the better option
2018-08-23T19:36:55Z gwatt: Has it been the better option?
2018-08-23T19:37:26Z wasamasa: I'll find out tomorrow, will need to assess it with some colleagues first
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2018-08-23T19:42:24Z amz3: great, you will write a database?
2018-08-23T19:42:27Z amz3: to replace Oracle?
2018-08-23T19:42:31Z amz3: :troll-face:
2018-08-23T19:43:55Z amz3: :]
2018-08-23T19:44:33Z wasamasa: you almost sound like that trump troll on comp.lang.scheme
2018-08-23T19:44:52Z amz3: I know I know
2018-08-23T19:45:04Z amz3: coincidence
2018-08-23T19:45:14Z wasamasa: obviously not, postgres is a thing
2018-08-23T19:45:39Z amz3: what makes scheme a good solution in your situation/
2018-08-23T19:45:41Z amz3: what makes scheme a good solution in your situation?
2018-08-23T19:45:57Z jcowan: wasamasa: I think there is a single Scheme community in fact, though obvs not everyone in it is interested in all things Scheme
2018-08-23T19:46:09Z wasamasa: amz3: eats less resources and takes less time to boot than clojure
2018-08-23T19:46:35Z amz3: what scheme do you plan to use?
2018-08-23T19:46:41Z wasamasa: CHICKEN
2018-08-23T19:46:50Z amz3: are you a chicken maitainer?
2018-08-23T19:47:23Z wasamasa: lol no, I just know those guys in person
2018-08-23T19:48:06Z amz3: great
2018-08-23T19:48:42Z wasamasa: sometimes I try out other scheme implementations, but I'm not anywhere close to proficient with them
2018-08-23T19:49:07Z qu1j0t3: wasamasa: that troll is on freenode as well, lol. pretty sure they've spent a lot of time in here...
2018-08-23T19:49:18Z amz3: qu1j0t3: It
2018-08-23T19:49:22Z wasamasa: qu1j0t3: sometimes I see them banned on #chicken
2018-08-23T19:49:28Z amz3: qu1j0t3: It's not me I promise
2018-08-23T19:49:35Z qu1j0t3: amz3: it's ok, i can tell :)
2018-08-23T19:50:06Z amz3: this person is trolling is exactly the subjects I am involved in
2018-08-23T19:50:35Z amz3: but the troll evolve, my project need to evolve too soon it will be salesforce and SAP pitch or something the like
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2018-08-23T20:07:16Z amz3: Hey Zipheir doing good?
2018-08-23T20:16:15Z Zipheir: amz3: Yeah, how about you?
2018-08-23T20:17:14Z amz3: Zipheir: fine tx :)
2018-08-23T20:17:32Z amz3: Zipheir: I am talking about scheme-lang.com, to register it and do something with it
2018-08-23T20:18:19Z Zipheir: amz3: Good domain name, I'm surprised it isn't taken.
2018-08-23T20:19:29Z amz3: I think I will follow http://lisp-lang.org/ example
2018-08-23T20:19:32Z gwatt: I'm still unclear how a new site is going to be better than the existing ones. schemers.org community.schemewiki.org
2018-08-23T20:19:46Z amz3: it's no going to be better
2018-08-23T20:19:50Z amz3: just different
2018-08-23T20:20:09Z amz3: but different
2018-08-23T20:20:24Z amz3: (my try to avoid to say 'just')
2018-08-23T20:24:56Z Zipheir: amz3: What are you going to put on it?
2018-08-23T20:25:53Z amz3: I will just do something like lisp-lang.org
2018-08-23T20:26:06Z amz3: aka. a landing page
2018-08-23T20:26:40Z amz3: basic html, I need to figure a good design that is... silicon valley friendly
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2018-08-23T20:28:04Z amz3: I mean a design that doesn't look like a university text book.
2018-08-23T20:28:05Z Zipheir: I don't see what sites like that add to a topic. lisp-lang.org is just "Common Lisp" in a sea of blue.
2018-08-23T20:28:24Z amz3: i dont' understand
2018-08-23T20:28:28Z Zipheir: amz3: You mean like something that might actually provide information? :)
2018-08-23T20:28:41Z amz3: Zipheir: yes :)
2018-08-23T20:29:14Z amz3: Zipheir: the thing is people don't need information, they need to feel, they need emotions sutff
2018-08-23T20:29:18Z Zipheir: Meh.
2018-08-23T20:29:27Z amz3: yes that's meh!
2018-08-23T20:30:09Z amz3: At the end to of the day, they will still be fiddling in their prefered editor and terminal emulator like they do with C# and else
2018-08-23T20:30:16Z Zipheir: amz3: You're just trolling now.
2018-08-23T20:31:01Z Zipheir: amz3: Anyone who's actually interested in a language will want information, not wallpaper.
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2018-08-23T20:31:17Z Zipheir: (or maybe my faith in humanity is too great today)
2018-08-23T20:31:42Z amz3: but the first impression must epic, grandiose, better that seeing the Tour Effeil at midnight during a warm summer with your beloved other half
2018-08-23T20:32:04Z Zipheir: Hah
2018-08-23T20:32:42Z Zipheir: amz3: http://adventurega.me/bootstrap/
2018-08-23T20:33:11Z amz3: Zipheir: that's how the brain works, if you put a banana ice cream a red color it taste like strawberry, if you use a yellow banana-ish color it taste like something like banana
2018-08-23T20:33:59Z Zipheir: One strawberry-banana Scheme, please.
2018-08-23T20:34:57Z Zipheir: amz3: I understand what you mean. I just ... don't think that kind of gut reaction should be encouraged.
2018-08-23T20:35:35Z Zipheir: amz3: Obviously people like shiny things, but part of being a programmer is distrusting shiny things, ime.
2018-08-23T20:39:14Z amz3: hence the rails and ruby fiasco
2018-08-23T20:39:27Z amz3: and to some extent the popularity of python
2018-08-23T20:42:43Z Zipheir: I would serve a scheme landing page over Gopher on some arbitrary poorly-known port. If you get to it, we know you're serious about the language.
2018-08-23T20:44:02Z gnomon: ...served in EBCDIC
2018-08-23T20:44:07Z duncanm: la al la
2018-08-23T20:44:10Z gnomon: DUM de dum
2018-08-23T20:45:33Z Zipheir: Yeah, I forgot to add that. :)
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2018-08-23T21:03:38Z Zipheir: In other news, the new Reasoned Schemer is awesome.
2018-08-23T21:04:33Z Zipheir: Between that and The Little Typer coming out later this year, Friedman et al have been busy.
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2018-08-24T14:21:00Z amz3: racket book is on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17826959
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2018-08-24T16:11:59Z Zipheir: amz3: It would be nice if they did a less Racket-focused version of that book.
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2018-08-24T16:39:09Z amz3: http://community.schemewiki.org/?FOSDEM2019
2018-08-24T16:46:11Z Zipheir: 'Scheme community contact' should probably point people here, rather than to a Jackson 5 song.
2018-08-24T16:46:42Z Zipheir: Damn, I would like to go to Brussels in Feb 2019. Screw New York State.
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2018-08-24T16:55:12Z amz3: it's not done yet
2018-08-24T16:55:20Z amz3: I will send a bunch of emails
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2018-08-24T16:56:57Z amz3: how do you cross post thing in reddit? I would like to cross post the scheme 2019 cfp from /r/scheme to /r/lisp and others
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2018-08-24T17:17:55Z Zipheir: amz3: The last time I used reddit cross-posting was manual, but that was a while ago.
2018-08-24T17:19:47Z Zipheir: amz3: namely, before bubbly-tumblr-reddit showed up earlier this year.
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2018-08-25T14:10:18Z amz3: growth hack in progress please standby, the procedure will be painless, no parenthesis will be harmed during the process...
2018-08-25T14:10:21Z amz3: http://scheme-lang.com/
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2018-08-25T15:18:04Z wasamasa: amz3: you're not active on mastodon, you hypocrite
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2018-08-25T15:36:55Z amz3: wasamasa: yes, I deleted my account
2018-08-25T15:37:04Z wasamasa: tsk tsk
2018-08-25T15:37:40Z amz3: for some dubious reasons, i wanted to focus, but it did not work as expected
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2018-08-25T16:49:49Z Zipheir: Is mastodon worthwhile?
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2018-08-25T17:00:36Z amz3: yes, it's easier to reach specific communities i think
2018-08-25T17:01:05Z amz3: compared to twitter where it's full of bots and other kinds of scams
2018-08-25T17:01:19Z wasamasa: it's how I hoped twitter to be
2018-08-25T17:01:21Z amz3: also people seems to acutally have time to discuss stuff
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2018-08-25T17:01:26Z Zipheir: Cool.
2018-08-25T17:03:32Z amz3: I've been on twitter since 2012 on and off even if had a some point more than 200 followers I never discuss stuff with them, most interaction on twitter happens, when it happens, through Retweet and +fav YMMV mastodon at least in the scheme community is active
2018-08-25T17:04:19Z amz3: twitter has too much bot and automation going on, is useless from a social point of view
2018-08-25T17:04:45Z Zipheir: Identi.ca was sort of nice for OSS discussion, once upon a time.
2018-08-25T17:04:45Z amz3: well, teens fight for trending topic, that's the only game that is fun
2018-08-25T17:05:56Z Zipheir: Part of the reason there's no discussion on Twitter is (a) the sheer volume of noise coming through the pipe and (b) 140 chars is a joke.
2018-08-25T17:07:31Z wasamasa: it's 280 chars
2018-08-25T17:07:57Z Zipheir: Shows how long I've been off :)
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2018-08-25T18:14:21Z Zipheir: amz3, wasamasa: What mastodon instances have you found to be good?
2018-08-25T18:15:42Z wasamasa: I spent lots of time looking at instances and eventually settled for niu.moe
2018-08-25T18:16:00Z wasamasa: because japanese culture and the moderation feels right to me
2018-08-25T18:17:08Z Zipheir: Interesting.
2018-08-25T18:17:35Z wasamasa: there's a website someone made to get an idea how the local timeline looks like
2018-08-25T18:17:37Z amz3: I am looking at https://qoto.org/about
2018-08-25T18:17:46Z wasamasa: because unfortunately only few instances enable a peek into it
2018-08-25T18:18:15Z Zipheir: Yeah, that would be useful.
2018-08-25T18:18:36Z wasamasa: so, my criteria were what I'd end up seeing (and what kind of people would see my stuff) and how moderation works (plenty of instances blocking a list of instances they don't like)
2018-08-25T18:18:40Z Zipheir: As it is, it seems like you have to jump into an unknown pool.
2018-08-25T18:18:58Z wasamasa: there are people who do that for a handful of candidates
2018-08-25T18:19:12Z wasamasa: or even keep all of their accounts
2018-08-25T18:19:29Z Zipheir: Right, the moderation process should be stated clearly.
2018-08-25T18:19:56Z wasamasa: to select cool instances I looked what instances the people I planned following were on
2018-08-25T18:20:14Z wasamasa: like, there's the flagship instance (which is too big IMO), but many more, most of which are technology-centric
2018-08-25T18:20:37Z Zipheir: I'm looking at fosstodon.org atm.
2018-08-25T18:20:43Z wasamasa: dunno what to think of small ones, there's a group arguing for single-person instances
2018-08-25T18:21:12Z amz3: I also consider this : https://humanities.one/about
2018-08-25T18:21:37Z wasamasa: there's the #ff tag (follow friday) to help you finding people/instances this way
2018-08-25T18:21:47Z amz3: that said, you can follow people from whateve instance  they are in
2018-08-25T18:22:08Z wasamasa: it's even encouraged to do so to increase the interconnections
2018-08-25T18:22:26Z wasamasa: with some bots doing this automatically
2018-08-25T18:23:37Z Zipheir: Federation seems promising, actually.
2018-08-25T18:23:58Z Zipheir: ty for suggestions, amz3 & wasamasa :)
2018-08-25T18:24:03Z amz3: federation is good compromise between p2p and sillos
2018-08-25T18:24:13Z wasamasa: http://www.unmung.com/mastoview?url=mastodon.art&view=local
2018-08-25T18:24:20Z wasamasa: said website for an inside look
2018-08-25T18:24:48Z wasamasa: I wish for one that would preview what you'd see from following a person (haven't quite figured this out)
2018-08-25T18:25:17Z wasamasa: it appears that you won't see them replying to others on your home timeline, however you see all these replies when viewing their profile
2018-08-25T18:29:44Z Zipheir: wasamasa: That's a useful tool.
2018-08-25T18:29:54Z wasamasa: definitely
2018-08-25T18:35:24Z Zipheir: amz3: qoto.org looks promising!
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2018-08-25T18:39:05Z amz3: a while back, this topic appeared in python-list: seeking deeper (language theory) reason behind Python design choice
2018-08-25T18:39:11Z amz3: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2018-May/732857.html
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2018-08-25T18:40:32Z amz3: i was rofl hard, and now i understand that i am becoming somekind of over zealous schemer
2018-08-25T18:41:16Z amz3: i emailed OP saying that everything in Python is ad-hoc without much "language theory". Actually, the OP was from haskell land
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2018-08-25T18:44:23Z Zipheir: amz3: You are. :)
2018-08-25T18:45:29Z Zipheir: amz3: I sort of agree with that. The theory behind Python seems to be "To be readable at all costs." (_Not_ the same thing as Stendahl's "to be clear at all costs"!)
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2018-08-25T18:50:01Z amz3: various stuff make me cringe in python noosphere, but there is hope like some people argue that python conference should make formal papers a requirement
2018-08-25T18:50:15Z Zipheir: amz3: But yeah, lambda is certainly 'broke as hell' in Python.
2018-08-25T18:51:34Z amz3: you might not be aware of the best! lambda are not recommended for "performance" critical code...
2018-08-25T18:52:05Z aeth: Python is a nice, easy, and clear language that's reasonably expressive and fun...
2018-08-25T18:52:21Z aeth: ...as long as you don't ruin it by learning Scheme!
2018-08-25T18:52:41Z Zipheir: :)
2018-08-25T18:54:16Z aeth: amz3: It's (iirc) recommended to write C or C++ for performance critical code and then call into it from Python iirc. Their idea being that you start in Python and then move the slow parts into a faster language.
2018-08-25T18:57:08Z aeth: i.e. Python performance advice is to use it only when performance doesn't matter
2018-08-25T19:02:05Z amz3: that's not true anymore...
2018-08-25T19:02:21Z amz3: there is another way, that is called cython.
2018-08-25T19:02:44Z aeth: But if you use C++ you can use lambda.
2018-08-25T19:08:59Z Zipheir: aeth: Depending on how critical your code is, doesn't that go for pretty much all 'high-level' languages?
2018-08-25T19:09:25Z aeth: Zipheir: The difference is that Python (and Ruby even more) are incredibly slow.
2018-08-25T19:09:36Z Zipheir: Yeah.
2018-08-25T19:09:48Z aeth: Many are a 3x-5x performance penalty. Racket and JS are maybe 10x. Python is maybe 30x
2018-08-25T19:09:54Z aeth: (Performance penalty over C/C++, of course)
2018-08-25T19:10:27Z aeth: Of course in practice Python isn't 30x because the libraries do what I said and cheat
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2018-08-25T19:12:34Z aeth: Pythonists will say that that 30x slowdown comes with a 30x productivity boost over C. That might or might not be true, but it's probably not 10x more productive a language than languages only 3x slower than C.
2018-08-25T19:13:45Z Zipheir: Hmm. I know some Python hackers who claim it's substantially faster than Java, at least.
2018-08-25T19:13:54Z aeth: It's not.
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2018-08-25T19:14:22Z Zipheir: That's ... impressive.
2018-08-25T19:14:56Z aeth: The languages that are fast are either statically typed (or with type hints that the compiler uses or whatever) or are JIT (or both)
2018-08-25T19:15:34Z aeth: Python's neither (its type annotations are for external tools like IDEs) unless you use PyPy afaik
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2018-08-25T19:15:54Z aeth: There might be edge cases where Python's faster, of course.
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2018-08-25T19:17:36Z amz3: unless you use mypy
2018-08-25T19:17:47Z aeth: Iirc, there's another alternative for fast programs that could work with Scheme, and that's just slowly globally analyzing the whole program while compiling to determine types. Stalin might do that.
2018-08-25T19:18:22Z aeth: But I'm not sure how much different that is from what a JIT is doing, except for being AOT.
2018-08-25T19:18:22Z amz3: what does chez scheme do? because it was reported on its ML that it's faster than come c++ program
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2018-08-25T19:18:38Z amz3: s/come/some/
2018-08-25T19:18:53Z aeth: amz3: I'm skeptical of JIT claims to be faster than C or C++. LuaJIT does this too.
2018-08-25T19:19:35Z amz3: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/chez-scheme/-yTrX3voGmc/Hah5ten7AQAJ
2018-08-25T19:19:55Z amz3: chez isn't a JIT, is it?
2018-08-25T19:19:56Z aeth: Stuff like that seems to me to be very special cases that would only show up in specially constructed benchmarks that would be fairly fragile in real programs (because a slight change could make it not be optimized)
2018-08-25T19:20:09Z Zipheir: amz3: IIRC it hase something like a JIT...
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2018-08-25T19:23:44Z Zipheir: s/hase/has/
2018-08-25T19:25:13Z aeth: amz3: oh it's a certain program
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2018-08-25T19:28:51Z aeth: amz3: I suspect that a C++ program written by a C++ expert would still win in performance. The type of thing you'd see in a benchmark. Now, whether that's feasible or not in a realistic amount of time given that it's a real program and not a tiny microbenchmark, idk.
2018-08-25T19:29:10Z aeth: amz3: My conclusion would be, at best, that it's easier to write a fast program in Chez than in C++ that does something like that.
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2018-08-25T19:31:12Z wasamasa: I like that I can speed up my programs written in CHICKEN by writing some inline C
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2018-08-25T19:32:45Z wasamasa: here's such a case: https://github.com/wasamasa/dotfiles/blob/master/home/wasa/bin/adf2mp3
2018-08-25T19:34:20Z Zipheir: wasamasa: elegant!
2018-08-25T19:34:38Z aeth: I don't know what I was expecting. Maybe an s-expression version of C.
2018-08-25T19:34:52Z aeth: That, however, is quite literally C.
2018-08-25T19:34:55Z wasamasa: in case you're wondering what this program is for, some GTA games feature .adf files for the radio music, this program "decrypts" them
2018-08-25T19:35:14Z aeth: GTA?
2018-08-25T19:35:20Z aeth: oh
2018-08-25T19:35:32Z aeth: Grand Theft Audio radio music?
2018-08-25T19:35:37Z wasamasa: yes
2018-08-25T19:35:40Z Zipheir: Hah
2018-08-25T19:36:20Z wasamasa: writing this I figured out how the equivalent C program would look like
2018-08-25T19:36:29Z wasamasa: because I'm using the same POSIX APIs
2018-08-25T19:38:46Z wasamasa: I'd be curious how the equivalent program would look like in other scheme implementations which offer a C bridge or some other way of tremendously speeding up code
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2018-08-25T20:30:32Z amz3: re: mastodon, @functional.cafe score very high in the hashtags i am following
2018-08-25T20:31:39Z wasamasa: oh right, that's what loke uses
2018-08-25T20:34:01Z Zipheir: So if you're registered on one instance, is there a way to follow a union of instances?
2018-08-25T20:34:41Z wasamasa: you're following users, not instances
2018-08-25T20:34:49Z Zipheir: So no.
2018-08-25T20:34:52Z wasamasa: what you're probably thinking of is what shows up in your global timeline
2018-08-25T20:35:09Z wasamasa: depending on how well connected your instance is, you'll see more or less instances there
2018-08-25T20:35:34Z Zipheir: I need to read more about the Mastodon architecture.
2018-08-25T20:35:36Z wasamasa: so, as long as there's at least one person on your instance following functional.cafe, you'll see their stuff on the global timeline
2018-08-25T20:35:45Z Zipheir: Ah, interesting.
2018-08-25T20:35:56Z wasamasa: this means that starting out on a single-user instance is hard
2018-08-25T20:36:02Z wasamasa: because you'll see nothing at all
2018-08-25T20:36:14Z wasamasa: on top of that you'll probably run into bugs in pleroma :D
2018-08-25T20:40:14Z Zipheir: pleroma sounds like a disease I don't want to get.
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2018-08-25T20:44:07Z wasamasa: ah, so you prefer gnusocial
2018-08-25T20:45:56Z alexshendi: Pleroma is (according to the gnostics) the sea of shining light, the seat of the divine, from where all good emanates.
2018-08-25T20:58:29Z ski str Gregory Bateson appropriating the term
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2018-08-26T01:28:34Z siraben: Hi all, not sure if it's been done before but wanted to share my implementation of monadic parsing in Scheme
2018-08-26T01:28:35Z siraben: http://github.com/siraben/monadic-parsing
2018-08-26T01:28:55Z siraben: Ported from Haskell papers on monads
2018-08-26T01:43:55Z Zipheir: siraben: Hey, long time no see.
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2018-08-26T02:00:10Z siraben: Hi Zipheir
2018-08-26T02:00:12Z siraben: It's been a while
2018-08-26T02:00:17Z siraben: Busy with school
2018-08-26T02:00:27Z siraben: Zipheir: I'm falling in love with haskell
2018-08-26T02:02:25Z Zipheir: Cool. How's school treating you?
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2018-08-26T02:02:41Z siraben: Fine.
2018-08-26T02:03:03Z siraben: Just can't wait to graduate.
2018-08-26T02:03:36Z Zipheir: High school or something equivalent, right?
2018-08-26T02:03:44Z siraben: High school, yep.
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2018-08-26T02:04:34Z siraben: Zipheir: What do you think of monadic parsing in scheme?
2018-08-26T02:05:09Z Zipheir: The monadic parsing code looks pretty good. Did you come up with that yourself, or translate Hutton's paper?
2018-08-26T02:05:41Z siraben: Bit of both
2018-08-26T02:06:13Z siraben: The arithmetic parsing was taken from the book "Programming in Haskell"
2018-08-26T02:06:17Z siraben: More or less translated
2018-08-26T02:06:26Z siraben: But the helper functions I had to come up with
2018-08-26T02:07:11Z Zipheir: I thought some of it looked familiar. letM* is actually somewhat close to and-let*, in some circumstances.
2018-08-26T02:07:21Z Zipheir: and-let* is weird, though.
2018-08-26T02:07:35Z siraben: letM* is from Oleg's blog post
2018-08-26T02:07:50Z Zipheir: OK, I need to reread that.
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2018-08-26T02:09:08Z Zipheir: Speaking of nice things from Haskell, I'd like to port optparse-applicative to Scheme.
2018-08-26T02:09:42Z siraben: What are some other cool Haskell papers?
2018-08-26T02:09:56Z siraben: This one's pretty good: http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/FLP/lazy-nondet.pdf
2018-08-26T02:11:31Z Zipheir: Looks interesting.
2018-08-26T02:12:27Z siraben: Thinking of implementing a minikanren-like language in Haskell
2018-08-26T02:12:36Z Zipheir: Have you read Hutton's "Universality of Fold"? That's a really good one.
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2018-08-26T02:13:02Z Zipheir: ^^ http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pszgmh/fold.pdf
2018-08-26T02:13:04Z siraben: I'll check it out.
2018-08-26T02:13:26Z siraben: I sorely missed pattern matching when I was writing that scheme code.
2018-08-26T02:14:02Z siraben: Zipheir: Now that I got monads more or less covered, where do I learn about the other things like applicatives, functors, lenses etc?
2018-08-26T02:14:07Z Zipheir: Most schemes do have pattern matching libraries...
2018-08-26T02:14:34Z Zipheir: IIRC Programming in Haskell covers applicative and vanilla functors.
2018-08-26T02:15:08Z Zipheir: I've yet to find a good reference on lenses, but #haskell might know of one.
2018-08-26T02:16:49Z siraben: Is there a good tutorial on writing a compiler with Haskell?
2018-08-26T02:18:33Z Zipheir: Bird & Wadler's Intro to Functional Programming ends by _synthesizing_ a compiler. I think Hutton's book has a simplified version of that compiler.
2018-08-26T02:18:43Z siraben: synthesizing?
2018-08-26T02:18:51Z siraben: gasps
2018-08-26T02:18:56Z siraben gasps
2018-08-26T02:19:00Z Zipheir: i.e. calculating with FP algebra
2018-08-26T02:19:44Z Zipheir: Oh, Hutton's book ends with the challenge of calculating a version of the compiler with exception handling.
2018-08-26T02:20:19Z Zipheir: Which is an order of magnitude harder than the rest of the book. Hutton wrote a semi-famous paper showing how to calculate that.
2018-08-26T02:21:00Z Zipheir: Program synthesis is awesome.
2018-08-26T02:22:07Z siraben: So which papers?
2018-08-26T02:22:29Z Zipheir: One sec...
2018-08-26T02:23:05Z Zipheir: siraben: http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/235/1/machine.pdf
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2018-08-26T02:23:52Z Zipheir: The caveat is that it's a very basic compiler.
2018-08-26T02:24:05Z Zipheir: Nowhere near the stuff implemented in SICP.
2018-08-26T02:24:17Z siraben: Is there a "SICP but in Haskell"?
2018-08-26T02:24:29Z Zipheir: Hah, that would be interesting.
2018-08-26T02:24:36Z siraben: Zipheir: I need to rewatch those last few lectures
2018-08-26T02:25:15Z siraben: Everything after the streams lecture I don't understand fully
2018-08-26T02:26:33Z Zipheir: Which number is the streams lecture?
2018-08-26T02:27:09Z siraben: 6A and 6B
2018-08-26T02:27:26Z siraben: Well I understand the metacircular evaluator
2018-08-26T02:27:36Z siraben: But not so much the query language and logic programming stuff
2018-08-26T02:27:50Z siraben: Zipheir: but hopefully self-learning prolog will help with that
2018-08-26T02:28:13Z siraben: Zipheir: Have you read this paper? http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/papers/prettier/prettier.pdf
2018-08-26T02:28:18Z siraben: "A Prettier Printer"
2018-08-26T02:28:33Z siraben: Wadler loves plays on words
2018-08-26T02:28:58Z Zipheir: No, that one's new to me.
2018-08-26T02:30:42Z Zipheir: Oh, he uses monoids. Very elegant.
2018-08-26T02:30:57Z siraben: Yeah I don't know of a good use for monoids
2018-08-26T02:31:07Z siraben: I understand what they are, but not so much how to apply them;.
2018-08-26T02:32:07Z Zipheir: It's a pattern. Once you understand it, you start seeing it everywhere.
2018-08-26T02:33:12Z siraben: Zipheir: How about continuations in Haskell?  Paper recommendations?
2018-08-26T02:33:13Z Zipheir: Take a look at things like Aeson and optparse-applicative to see some good uses of that pattern.
2018-08-26T02:33:51Z siraben: Zipheir: What interesting things have you written in Haskell?
2018-08-26T02:34:36Z Zipheir: Silly little stuff. I wrote some gaming tools for a tabletop RPG I'm running.
2018-08-26T02:35:51Z Zipheir: siraben: https://bitbucket.org/Zipheir/starfinder_tools/src <-- yak-shaving with Aeson
2018-08-26T02:39:31Z Zipheir: It was a good excuse to re-learn how to parse JSON.
2018-08-26T02:39:47Z siraben: Should I... attempt to parse JSON? :)
2018-08-26T02:40:13Z siraben: What would be cool is compiling regexps into my monadic parser DSL
2018-08-26T02:43:23Z siraben: Zipheir: I've never written programs with concurrency before, know of resources?
2018-08-26T02:43:53Z qu1j0t3: the Marlow book
2018-08-26T02:44:12Z siraben: What language does it use?
2018-08-26T02:44:42Z qu1j0t3: siraben: your fave https://simonmar.github.io/pages/pcph.html
2018-08-26T02:44:52Z qu1j0t3: & learning Erlang would be a nice background
2018-08-26T02:45:04Z siraben: Haskell!!
2018-08-26T02:45:41Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Is that one of those rare non-sloppy O'Reilly books? :)
2018-08-26T02:46:01Z qu1j0t3: it seems to be highly regarded
2018-08-26T02:46:08Z qu1j0t3: i haven't read it myself, i don't write haskell at the moment
2018-08-26T02:47:10Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Cool, I'll see if I can pick it up.
2018-08-26T02:47:17Z siraben: Zipheir: Have you managed to flash programs to the TI-84?
2018-08-26T02:47:56Z Zipheir: siraben: I haven't gotten around to it yet, I've been busy with other stuff.
2018-08-26T02:49:10Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: The last functional-flavored O'Reilly book I looked at was Real World Haskell, which is also highly-regarded, but contains some really ugly code.
2018-08-26T02:49:44Z qu1j0t3: yeah, probably superseded now by bitemyapp's book
2018-08-26T02:49:53Z siraben: I want to get that book so much in print form!
2018-08-26T02:50:19Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir: i'd go out on a limb though and say that, based on what i know of it, Marlow's could break that jinx
2018-08-26T02:51:13Z Zipheir: qu1j0t3: Yeah, it comes down to the author in the end.
2018-08-26T02:51:39Z siraben: Zipheir: On the other side of world of abstraction, I still have learning Rust in my bucket list
2018-08-26T02:51:59Z siraben: C left a bad taste
2018-08-26T02:52:10Z Zipheir: siraben: You really should slow down a bit :)
2018-08-26T02:52:18Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah.
2018-08-26T02:52:37Z siraben: Oh actually I just realized I have to write C code soon for a robotics competition
2018-08-26T02:53:16Z Zipheir: That sounds cool.
2018-08-26T02:53:49Z siraben: Using the PROS library instead of the proprietary RobotC language has made it much better
2018-08-26T02:53:51Z siraben: https://pros.cs.purdue.edu/
2018-08-26T02:54:49Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah it is.  It's the VEX robotics competition
2018-08-26T02:55:22Z siraben: Programming is the easy part IMO, the hard part is having to communicate with other team members esp. the ones who are good at hardware
2018-08-26T02:56:48Z Zipheir: Where's that competition held?
2018-08-26T02:56:57Z Zipheir: Also, what an infuriating website.
2018-08-26T02:57:08Z siraben: Yeah, the website does not do justice to it.
2018-08-26T02:57:38Z siraben: Zipheir: I usually just open the API documentation: https://pros.cs.purdue.edu/v5/api/c/adi.html
2018-08-26T02:59:27Z siraben: IIRC, There's a bunch of local rounds held throughout the world, then a regional round (closest is Taipei), then a global round (last year it was in Kentucky, US)
2018-08-26T02:59:29Z Zipheir: Looks more like C than C++, which is nice.
2018-08-26T02:59:39Z Zipheir: Ah, ok.
2018-08-26T02:59:45Z siraben: I've never touched C++
2018-08-26T03:00:25Z Zipheir: Consider yourself lucky.
2018-08-26T03:00:47Z siraben: C++ looks ugly in both its semantics and syntax
2018-08-26T03:01:27Z siraben: But also never had a reason to learn it, so there's that.
2018-08-26T03:02:05Z Zipheir: I think Niklaus Wirth hit it on the head when he said C++ is an insult to the human brain. I'm not a fan of Java, but even Java is saner than C++.
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2018-08-26T03:04:43Z Zipheir: My first serious exposure to programming was through C++, and at the time it sort of convinced me that programming is impossible. xD
2018-08-26T03:04:54Z siraben: Was it at uni or earlier?
2018-08-26T03:06:01Z Zipheir: I was like 12, I think.
2018-08-26T03:06:32Z siraben: Zipheir: Interesting anecdote, I heard from my friend at school that the CS teacher posed a problem for students to write a program print the first 1000 primes
2018-08-26T03:06:38Z siraben: using Java, of course...
2018-08-26T03:07:11Z Zipheir: Eratosthenes in da house.
2018-08-26T03:07:14Z siraben: And the hardest part was getting the "for" loop to work correctly, and other tedium
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2018-08-26T03:07:25Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah, a haskell solution would be one or two lines long!
2018-08-26T03:07:45Z siraben: I'm not sure if any of them succeeded
2018-08-26T03:08:22Z Zipheir: Yeah, I'm guessing the book-keeping of Java was most of the problem.
2018-08-26T03:09:37Z Zipheir: I'm sort of shocked that one of the Dan Friedman 'Little' books is on Java/OOP.
2018-08-26T03:10:55Z siraben: Using Java to teach simple algorithmic problems is really overdoing it
2018-08-26T03:11:04Z siraben: Can't wait for them to cover quicksort
2018-08-26T03:11:29Z Zipheir: This isn't a class you're in, though?
2018-08-26T03:11:37Z siraben: Nope!  Left after two classes.
2018-08-26T03:11:49Z Zipheir: Hah, good decision.
2018-08-26T03:11:53Z siraben: Took the AP exam though, for credit.
2018-08-26T03:15:14Z Zipheir: Every intro class will probably be Python in 10 years. For better or worse.
2018-08-26T03:15:43Z Zipheir: Well, for better. It really can't get too much worse.
2018-08-26T03:16:23Z siraben: Do you use python?
2018-08-26T03:16:54Z siraben thinks about monads in Python
2018-08-26T03:20:05Z Zipheir: I learned it last year, but I haven't had any reason to use it.
2018-08-26T03:20:21Z Zipheir: And what's the point when you can write in Scheme or Haskell?
2018-08-26T03:21:08Z Zipheir: We were talking in here earlier today about how broken Python's FP support is. I shudder to imagine how they'd implement monads when they can't even get lambda right.
2018-08-26T03:22:32Z siraben: IIRC Guido doesn't really want more FP in python
2018-08-26T03:22:36Z siraben: s/doesn't/didn't
2018-08-26T03:25:26Z siraben: Zipheir: It wasn't all smooth implementing monads in Scheme though, I had to forgo combining the list monad with the parser monad
2018-08-26T03:25:54Z siraben: So I gave up the feature multiple ambiguous parsing, but probably better without it.
2018-08-26T03:26:42Z siraben: Is it just me or every time I learn something new in FP I feel like a noob all over again?
2018-08-26T03:27:25Z Zipheir: I think that's just the usual experience of learning something new.
2018-08-26T03:29:29Z siraben: Zipheir: I'm not liking the weird syntax of letM*, any suggestions?
2018-08-26T03:29:53Z siraben: How should I convert do { x <- foo ; bar ; return baz } into Scheme?
2018-08-26T03:30:24Z siraben: Currently it's (letM* ((x foo) (_ bar)) (return baz)), but it reads awkwardly, no?
2018-08-26T03:30:46Z Zipheir: It's not bad.
2018-08-26T03:31:22Z Zipheir: But yeah, there should be something that doesn't artificially split the computation into a list of bindings and a body.
2018-08-26T03:31:32Z Zipheir: Since that's not how we'd think about it.
2018-08-26T03:34:10Z siraben: I think Oleg's intention was to mimic let* and treat the clauses as bindings
2018-08-26T03:34:16Z Zipheir: (do* (<- x foo) bar (return baz))
2018-08-26T03:34:34Z siraben: Zipheir: Yeah, I tried to write define-syntax to work with that, but it wasn't working
2018-08-26T03:35:22Z siraben: Because that desugars to (>>= foo (lambda (x) (>>= bar (lambda (_) (return baz)))))
2018-08-26T03:36:50Z Zipheir: It seems like it should be a possible macro to implement.
2018-08-26T03:37:49Z siraben: The issue is with the "bar", so maybe I could gensym a dummy variable to normalize the clauses
2018-08-26T03:37:56Z Zipheir: It's not a super schemey solution, which letM* is, sort of.
2018-08-26T03:38:13Z siraben: (doM* (<- x foo) (#{g0} bar) (return baz))
2018-08-26T03:38:22Z siraben: Then desugar to bind
2018-08-26T03:38:36Z siraben: Zipheir: Speaking of macros, I had issues implementing anaphoric if
2018-08-26T03:38:59Z siraben: Scheme's macro system was renaming things underneath me
2018-08-26T03:39:02Z siraben: Because it's hygenic
2018-08-26T03:39:14Z Zipheir: anaphoric if?
2018-08-26T03:39:46Z siraben: (aif <pred> <consq> <alt>)
2018-08-26T03:40:01Z siraben: But the result of <pred> is bound to the symbol "it"
2018-08-26T03:40:16Z siraben: (aif (+ 3 5) it 0) => 8
2018-08-26T03:40:31Z siraben: (aif (= 3 5) it 0) => 8
2018-08-26T03:40:42Z siraben: I mean (aif (= 3 5) it 0) => 0
2018-08-26T03:41:13Z siraben: Not very pretty, but it means if you have a test that returns a value instead of failing, like assq, then you can use it
2018-08-26T03:41:14Z Zipheir: Ah
2018-08-26T03:41:32Z siraben: Also generalizes to acond
2018-08-26T03:41:37Z siraben: Which is anaphoric cond
2018-08-26T03:42:50Z siraben: An easy way to convert: (aif p c a) => ((lambda (it) (if it c a)) p)
2018-08-26T03:43:03Z Zipheir: Seems like and/or would be the easier way to handle those cases in Scheme.
2018-08-26T03:43:13Z siraben: True.
2018-08-26T03:43:30Z Zipheir: (or (assq ...) 'nothing)
2018-08-26T03:43:38Z siraben: `define-syntax' converts (it) to something else like (it0), to keep hygiene
2018-08-26T03:43:42Z Zipheir: Yeah.
2018-08-26T03:43:48Z siraben: But I'll use "or" or "and"
2018-08-26T03:44:29Z ski . o O ( anaphoric `and' )
2018-08-26T03:47:13Z Zipheir: Hidden bindings seem like a bad thing in general.
2018-08-26T03:47:13Z siraben: Zipheir: One last thing I can't quite wrap my head is using call/cc and trampolining effectively
2018-08-26T03:47:33Z siraben: Zipheir: yeah, they make code harder to reason about
2018-08-26T03:48:49Z siraben: Zipheir: Oleg wrote in a blog post continuations can be done in Haskell?
2018-08-26T03:49:21Z Zipheir: can -> can't?
2018-08-26T03:49:29Z siraben: They can
2018-08-26T03:49:36Z Zipheir: Indeed.
2018-08-26T03:49:38Z siraben: But how, is the question.
2018-08-26T03:49:58Z siraben: Wadler mentioned briefly the continuation monad but didn't go through it.
2018-08-26T03:52:26Z Zipheir: You can translate call/cc code from Scheme fairly directly: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mtl-2.2.2/docs/Control-Monad-Cont.html
2018-08-26T03:52:44Z Zipheir: The more interesting question is, indeed, how the Cont monad works.
2018-08-26T03:53:21Z siraben: I like how readable Haskell's Prelude is
2018-08-26T03:53:29Z siraben: ^in general
2018-08-26T03:54:09Z Zipheir: Haskell is generally a pretty clear language, despite the 'esolang' jokes.
2018-08-26T03:54:39Z Zipheir: It's just that some people like to show off how clever they are and introduce enormous amounts of jargon.
2018-08-26T03:55:06Z siraben: I should've dived into haskell first instead of thinking cat. theory was needed
2018-08-26T03:55:17Z siraben: But it's good to have both I guess
2018-08-26T03:55:44Z Zipheir: Category theory's really interesting.
2018-08-26T03:56:02Z siraben: Ah, there's this thing called "Arrows" in Haskell, but not sure how to use it.
2018-08-26T03:57:24Z Zipheir: I really appreciate how Schemers appreciate simplicity. That's something Haskell fans need to work on.
2018-08-26T03:59:09Z siraben: Also, the naming conventions are quite scary.
2018-08-26T04:01:05Z Zipheir: Back in a bit.
2018-08-26T04:01:08Z siraben: Ok.
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2018-08-26T05:09:31Z Zipheir: rudybot: The mother of all monads!
2018-08-26T05:09:46Z rudybot: Zipheir: I guess "delimited continuationness is an example of a monad, and could be called the mother of all monads" isn't too helpful then
2018-08-26T05:11:09Z siraben: Zipheir: the "Purely functional lazy nondeterministic programming" paper is good, reading it right now.
2018-08-26T05:11:22Z siraben: A bit of a mouthful to say
2018-08-26T05:11:32Z siraben: What would be a Wadler-style title?
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2018-08-26T05:13:39Z Zipheir: Don't backtrack, stay home and be lazy.
2018-08-26T05:14:04Z siraben: Can't find a copy of his PhD thesis
2018-08-26T05:14:55Z siraben: Hmm surely it can't be only 8 pages only
2018-08-26T05:15:04Z siraben: s/only/long
2018-08-26T05:15:07Z Zipheir: Oh, have you seen the new edition of The Reasoned Schemer?
2018-08-26T05:15:15Z Zipheir: They've really cut down the minikanren implementation.
2018-08-26T05:15:16Z siraben: There's a new edition?
2018-08-26T05:15:21Z Zipheir: Yeah, this spring.
2018-08-26T05:15:34Z siraben: Did you buy it already?
2018-08-26T05:16:00Z Zipheir: Yeah, I just got it a few days ago.
2018-08-26T05:16:22Z Zipheir: The language is now implemented mostly as functions--they are only 5 macros, iirc.
2018-08-26T05:16:24Z siraben: Which editing is it?
2018-08-26T05:16:26Z siraben: edition*
2018-08-26T05:16:31Z wasamasa: while we're on it, any recommended books using SML?
2018-08-26T05:16:42Z Zipheir: 2nd ed., the 2018 version.
2018-08-26T05:16:44Z wasamasa: I find the language closer to scheme than haskell, but struggly figuring out how you use currying for idiomatic code
2018-08-26T05:17:29Z wasamasa: *struggle
2018-08-26T05:17:30Z siraben: wasamasa: There's Okasaki's paper "Purely Functional Data Structures"
2018-08-26T05:17:37Z wasamasa: that's a dense paper
2018-08-26T05:17:44Z Zipheir: wasamasa: I don't know SML, but I'd like to, so share any good references you find.
2018-08-26T05:17:48Z wasamasa: I'm thinking more of a compiler construction book
2018-08-26T05:18:00Z wasamasa: I keep hearing many of them use SML, but have yet to stumble upon one
2018-08-26T05:18:13Z siraben: I asked for books on standard ml in the IRC channel not long ago, let me pull up logs
2018-08-26T05:19:05Z wasamasa: I went through ML For The Working Programmer so far
2018-08-26T05:19:34Z wasamasa: it mentions the scala author several times which suggests he was aware of the sane alternative, yet continued pursuing a vastly more complicated language
2018-08-26T05:19:54Z siraben: "Elements of ML Programming" was recommend to me, but I haven't touched it
2018-08-26T05:20:56Z siraben: But it doesn't go into compiler construction
2018-08-26T05:21:31Z Zipheir: wasamasa: So scala is to ML as Clojure is to Scheme? :)
2018-08-26T05:21:51Z wasamasa: Zipheir: s/Clojure/CL/
2018-08-26T05:22:42Z Zipheir: Heh
2018-08-26T05:22:44Z siraben: Zipheir: How did you find out about the new edition?
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2018-08-26T05:23:27Z Zipheir: Someone here mentioned it, iirc. Also, Dan Friedman & William Byrd gave out copies in some of their youtube videos.
2018-08-26T05:23:37Z beejees: let me know good scheme interpreter.
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2018-08-26T05:24:19Z wasamasa: clojure itself is fine, just get used to the syntax, manipulating immutable sequences and java interop
2018-08-26T05:24:19Z wasamasa: beejees: try racket
2018-08-26T05:24:25Z Zipheir: Imperial Airship Scheme
2018-08-26T05:24:34Z Zipheir: Wait, aeth hasn't finished it yet.
2018-08-26T05:24:53Z siraben: Zipheir: How good are the "The Little [a-z]+er
2018-08-26T05:24:55Z siraben: books?
2018-08-26T05:25:33Z Zipheir: siraben: The ones I've read are really good. The Reasoned Schemer is a little tough, I felt like I missed the forest for the trees the first time through.
2018-08-26T05:26:06Z Zipheir: I'm very excited about https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/little-typer
2018-08-26T05:26:19Z Zipheir: Coming soon...
2018-08-26T05:26:26Z siraben: I was just reading about that on the MIT Press website
2018-08-26T05:26:31Z siraben: Sounds very interesting!
2018-08-26T05:26:55Z siraben: Zipheir: Off-topic: was looking for talks by Phil Wadler and found a stand-up comedy performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpcMCW0RUA
2018-08-26T05:28:19Z Zipheir: Oh wow.
2018-08-26T05:28:23Z siraben: It sounds a lot like his Strange Loop talk
2018-08-26T05:28:34Z siraben: s/a lot/exactly
2018-08-26T05:29:13Z Zipheir: It probably takes a lot of guts to do a talk about computation in front of a comedy club audience.
2018-08-26T05:29:30Z Zipheir: Cool shirt Wadler has there.
2018-08-26T05:29:34Z siraben: The club must be partial to computability theory.
2018-08-26T05:29:40Z wasamasa: hm, I should try that, a comedic talk
2018-08-26T05:29:42Z siraben: Uni students, maybe?
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2018-08-26T05:33:01Z Zipheir: Speaking of comedic lectures, this is a classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIKGV2cTgqA
2018-08-26T05:33:45Z siraben: Oh yeah is mathematics really taught that way now?
2018-08-26T05:35:00Z Zipheir: I think it was a US educational movement that started in the 50s but wasn't super successful.
2018-08-26T05:35:35Z Zipheir: Namely, trying to teach kids the foundations instead of just rote computational tricks.
2018-08-26T05:36:41Z siraben: Hmm.  Depends a lot on the teacher I suppose.
2018-08-26T05:37:40Z siraben: I can think of Feymann as an example of someone that gave very clear and intuitive lectures on difficult topics, but not everyone's a Feymann
2018-08-26T05:38:18Z Zipheir: It's also much, much harder to try to get people to understand things than to just give them tricks to solve problems.
2018-08-26T05:38:40Z Zipheir: Especially if they don't care.
2018-08-26T05:38:45Z siraben: This is very true of programming as well.
2018-08-26T05:39:07Z Zipheir: Why do you think StackOverflow is so popular? :)
2018-08-26T05:41:20Z siraben: The code golfing section on Stack Exchange is hilarious
2018-08-26T05:47:02Z siraben: Zipheir: Speaking of teaching, Sussman and Abelson are great teachers
2018-08-26T05:48:10Z Zipheir: Sussman sometimes goes _really_ fast.
2018-08-26T05:48:25Z Zipheir: But yeah, they're great.
2018-08-26T05:48:45Z siraben: Zipheir: I'm interested to know how minikanren can be stripped down so much
2018-08-26T05:48:52Z siraben: Does it have =/= ?
2018-08-26T05:49:52Z Zipheir: I don't know, I've just started the new edition.
2018-08-26T05:49:58Z siraben: Skip to the code!
2018-08-26T05:52:00Z Zipheir: All the macros are on one page, but the functions are spread throughout the last chapter.
2018-08-26T06:03:23Z Zipheir: I'm hoping the presentation has improved a bit. I think I've said it before, but lots of writings about minikanren show a bunch of cool stuff with no clear picture of how you can use the tool in general.
2018-08-26T06:04:13Z Zipheir: As you said, siraben, "Look, you can write relational append!!!!1"
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2018-08-26T06:11:16Z siraben: Zipheir: I said that?
2018-08-26T06:11:25Z siraben: Oh, right.
2018-08-26T06:11:48Z siraben: The most practical use I've seen is program synthesis.
2018-08-26T06:12:26Z siraben: But I'm interested to know exactly what Will Byrd is talking about when he says "a relational theorem checker can be used to fill proofs"
2018-08-26T06:12:33Z siraben: Because it implies that he has written a theorem checker
2018-08-26T06:12:51Z Zipheir: Maybe he has?
2018-08-26T06:13:00Z siraben: On screen it was shown briefly
2018-08-26T06:13:22Z siraben: Actually there's code on GitHub as well, I think by Nada Amin or Will Byrd showing it
2018-08-26T06:13:28Z siraben: But no explanation or paper
2018-08-26T06:14:25Z Zipheir: You could probably ask him about it if you're interested.
2018-08-26T06:14:32Z Zipheir: He seems a friendly type.
2018-08-26T06:16:29Z siraben: Ah, sounds like a good idea.
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2018-08-26T11:52:57Z ski: siraben,wasamasa : Okasaki also has a book "Purely Functional Data Strcutures" (good, imho) (using SML. Haskell code in appendix)
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2018-08-26T11:53:27Z ski: there's a compiler construction book "Modern Compiler Implementation in ML" (also Java and C versions) by Andrew Appel, <https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/modern/>. doesn't teach (S)ML, though, only uses it
2018-08-26T11:53:53Z ski: (i think Friedman also has an "The Little MLer", haven't read it, though)
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2018-08-26T12:41:09Z amz3: hello #scheme
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2018-08-26T14:09:57Z wasamasa: ski: thanks!
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2018-08-26T15:36:16Z deuill: Hi, working through SICP exercises and using Emacs with Geiser for REPL and Parinfer for editing... so far so good, but wondering if there's any way of getting more responsive error checking/linting or eval under cursor-type functionality?
2018-08-26T15:38:17Z deuill: My Google skills are failing me
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2018-08-26T17:44:59Z Zipheir: ski: Thanks for the references!
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2018-08-26T19:04:42Z amz3: deuill: it's not your google skills
2018-08-26T19:04:54Z amz3: deuill: what scheme implementation do you use?
2018-08-26T19:05:33Z deuill: I'm using Guile now, but could do with Chez or Chicken, I guess.
2018-08-26T19:05:43Z deuill: It appears Flycheck only has support for Racket or Chicken
2018-08-26T19:06:13Z amz3: deuill: I never got that working with guile, I am not aware of a linter for guile anyway
2018-08-26T19:06:48Z deuill: I sort of approximated the eval-under-cursor thing I was looking for with C-M-x (eval-defun)
2018-08-26T19:07:11Z deuill: Yeah, the only thing appears to be Flycheck with Chicken, or r6lint which uses Chez
2018-08-26T19:07:32Z deuill: But I guess will otherwise lint anything R6RS-compliant
2018-08-26T19:12:15Z amz3: the default config of guile is not really r6rs compliant
2018-08-26T19:12:28Z amz3: as far module goes
2018-08-26T19:12:58Z amz3: module system I mean
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2018-08-26T19:17:00Z deuill: Maybe I should try Chicken instead then
2018-08-26T19:17:02Z deuill: Or Chez
2018-08-26T19:17:51Z amz3: depends what you want to do
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2018-08-27T15:47:04Z black_13: any chez schemers here
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2018-08-27T15:49:23Z gwatt: black_13: what's up
2018-08-27T15:50:11Z black_13: I want to load a dll with foreign functions where does the the dll have to be located
2018-08-27T15:50:52Z black_13: (define app-init   (lambda ()     (load-shared-object "state.dll")     (set! show-state       (foreign-procedure "show_state" (integer-32)         integer-32))))
2018-08-27T15:51:11Z black_13: where would state.dll need to be located
2018-08-27T15:51:51Z black_13: on the current path or in same directory as the chez instaltion
2018-08-27T15:52:33Z gwatt: It has to be accessible by the LoadLibrary function, but I'm not super familiar with windows
2018-08-27T15:52:46Z gwatt: I think the current directory is also acceptable.
2018-08-27T15:53:13Z gwatt: but yes, PATH or same folder as the cs binary
2018-08-27T15:53:17Z black_13: ill find out
2018-08-27T15:53:54Z black_13: can chez be embedded into another application
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2018-08-27T16:32:34Z amz3: widp: which lambda paper?
2018-08-27T16:32:51Z black_13: gwatt: does the chez need to c source in order to use the .dll (or .so)
2018-08-27T16:34:03Z amz3: no it doesn't
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2018-08-27T16:43:10Z black_13: when i try to call a foreign function i get  "compiler is not loaded Type (debug) to enter the debugger."
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2018-08-27T16:48:43Z weinholt: black_13, you probably have Petite Chez Scheme and it doesn't have the compiler, you can get a new version from https://cisco.github.io/ChezScheme/
2018-08-27T16:53:19Z ellyjones: foof``: are you interested in patches or investigation to improve chibi's cold startup time? or are there existing techniques for same
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2018-08-27T16:54:03Z ellyjones: on my system chibi -e '#t' takes ~230ms, chibi -q -e '#t' takes ~70ms, and chibi -Q -e '#t' takes ~20ms
2018-08-27T16:54:23Z ellyjones: and for comparison python -c 'True' takes ~20ms also
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2018-08-27T16:59:06Z black_13: that fixed it!
2018-08-27T16:59:19Z black_13: i had version 8.4
2018-08-27T16:59:48Z black_13: weinholt: can chez be embedded in another application
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2018-08-27T17:03:28Z weinholt: black_13, i believe so, although i have no experience with that myself, the manual describes how to customize the system
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2018-08-27T17:04:58Z gwatt: black_13: It can, but it requires distributing the boot files with the application
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2018-08-27T20:03:59Z lavaflow: amz3: looks nice, but that background causes some aliasing on my (admittedly shitty) lcd screen when it scrolls.   should be fine if the background doesn't scroll though.
2018-08-27T20:04:06Z taylan: amz3: I believe that quote is from William Clinger, to be precise :)
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2018-08-27T20:12:24Z amz3: lavaflow: at the size of the page when scrolling it does cause some glitches in my screen too. But at full size it doesn't
2018-08-27T20:12:42Z amz3: lavaflow: also the background doesn't scroll
2018-08-27T20:14:14Z lavaflow: if the background doesn't scroll then it should be perfectly fine.   on my screen at full size it causes my screen to flicker aggressively when scrolling.
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2018-08-27T20:49:37Z amz3: how do you say 'children' or 'descendants' in fancy way?
2018-08-27T20:49:48Z amz3: I am looking for the oppositite of 'elders'
2018-08-27T20:50:02Z qu1j0t3: younglings
2018-08-27T20:50:28Z Riastradh: offspring, progeny
2018-08-27T20:50:38Z Riastradh: future generations
2018-08-27T20:50:51Z amz3: I was looking for heirs
2018-08-27T20:56:42Z amz3: youglings ^^ I did not know about that one
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2018-08-27T21:16:27Z amz3: that's my day, I've hit a bug in firefox.
2018-08-27T21:16:38Z amz3: anyway, https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a864cbba-d807-47b8-a1e8-78e0067ad11e.jpg
2018-08-27T21:34:04Z ski . o O ( "scions" )
2018-08-27T21:35:12Z qu1j0t3: hehe
2018-08-27T21:36:30Z Zipheir`: Usually when you're looking for a fancy version of a word what you want is just the word.
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2018-08-27T21:46:35Z amz3: ski: scion is nice!
2018-08-27T21:47:18Z amz3: tx!
2018-08-27T21:48:14Z amz3: Zipheir`: yes... but i like beautiful words, and 'scion' is just what I was looking for
2018-08-27T21:48:38Z amz3: I like the first definition from the dict I am using: a young shoot or twig of a plant, especially one cut for grafting or rooting.
2018-08-27T21:49:05Z amz3: which is very true for scheme descendants like python...
2018-08-27T21:50:42Z Zipheir`: 'knockoff' also comes to mind :)
2018-08-27T21:51:45Z qu1j0t3: python is a scheme descendant?
2018-08-27T21:52:17Z qu1j0t3: its one good feature, list comprehensions, doesn't even come from scheme, and its lambdas are broken :)
2018-08-27T21:53:33Z amz3: qu1j0t3: read the first paragraph of https://docs.python.org/3/library/contextvars.html
2018-08-27T21:53:38Z amz3: qu1j0t3: let me know what you think
2018-08-27T21:53:40Z Zipheir`: Yeah, Python is really a hybrid.
2018-08-27T21:58:08Z amz3: qu1j0t3: list comprehensions are abused because it's allowed to do them multiline, which is not the case of lambda. IMO both must be restricted to one-liner to respect Python philosophy
2018-08-27T21:58:35Z aeth: Everything in Scheme is a one-liner!
2018-08-27T21:58:57Z aeth: Newlines and indentation are usually added for the benefit of the reader, of course.
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2018-08-28T00:34:12Z amz3: please answer the CFP on guix mailing list to have a scheme dev-room http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-08/msg00193.html
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2018-08-28T00:40:31Z amz3: My hearth we be split in two half if there is two CFP one for guix/guile/lua and another for scheme. Please converge somehow.
2018-08-28T00:41:00Z Zipheir`: "Haskell and other Lisps..."
2018-08-28T00:41:02Z Zipheir`: Hmm.
2018-08-28T00:41:35Z Zipheir`: Yeah, it's weird that they have a Guile room but no Scheme room.
2018-08-28T00:42:50Z amz3: last year it was guix only event :/
2018-08-28T00:43:10Z amz3: guile/guix/lua did not get room at fosdem :(
2018-08-28T00:47:01Z Zipheir`: It's funny to me that FOSDEM was just OSDEM until rms started complaining.
2018-08-28T00:50:21Z amz3: TIL
2018-08-28T00:51:12Z amz3: I think I have a clue why people fear GNU
2018-08-28T00:51:25Z amz3: I mean why people dispise GPL and fear GNU
2018-08-28T00:52:06Z amz3: the gist of it is like the art of war: divide and conquer
2018-08-28T00:53:00Z amz3: GNU is _organised_, and some people don't want that.
2018-08-28T00:56:25Z Zipheir`: Especially not the Peoples' Front of Judea. Splitters!
2018-08-28T00:58:21Z Zipheir`: I don't know if anyone _fears_ GNU. Yeah, Ballmer made a big noise about the GPL being evil once upon a time, but that was never a real threat to MS.
2018-08-28T01:00:02Z Zipheir`: IIUC GNU and the FSF lost a lot of sympathy because of their focus on ideology and making sure everyone knows how awesome they are, rather than, you know, writing good software.
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2018-08-28T01:12:46Z Zipheir`: Also, if GNU were really organized, major GNU projects like GPG wouldn't be in crisis due to their lead developers going broke.
2018-08-28T01:15:15Z qu1j0t3:   Zipheir` | "Haskell and other Lisps..."    // yeah that's extremely weird. I guess if you've never heard of ML... it's a lisp? somehow????
2018-08-28T01:17:00Z Zipheir`: "Haskell is a language by geniuses for geniuses, so in that sense it's sort of a Lisp..." --Larry Wall
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2018-08-28T01:19:18Z qu1j0t3: not his finest moment
2018-08-28T01:20:18Z Zipheir`: He always bashes Lisp for its supposed elitism.
2018-08-28T01:21:30Z qu1j0t3: weird
2018-08-28T01:21:41Z qu1j0t3: i wonder how it hurt him as an undergrad
2018-08-28T01:22:10Z Zipheir`: It would be funny to turn the tables and start referring to random imperative languages as "a C" or something.
2018-08-28T01:22:25Z qu1j0t3: that would be more accurate, at least
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2018-08-28T01:23:03Z qu1j0t3: sounds like ole Larry isn't a very reliable commentator. no doubt we'll eventually find out he never learned what Lisp or ML are
2018-08-28T01:23:06Z Zipheir`: "Do you know Python?" "No, I'm not a fan of FORTRANs."
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2018-08-28T01:23:45Z qu1j0t3: reminds me of that scathing review of Godel, Escher, Bach where Hofstadter is revealed that he only used the Zen references for laughs and he has no idea about Zen
2018-08-28T01:24:00Z qu1j0t3: people do that with Lisp. Ironically, they do with Perl as well :)
2018-08-28T01:24:09Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: I find that very easy to believe.
2018-08-28T01:24:22Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir`: the whole review is worth reading for that, and other reveals
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2018-08-28T01:26:31Z Zipheir`: It's like people throwing around monad/Haskell jokes.
2018-08-28T01:27:19Z Zipheir`: Larry probably knows Lisp, but from his most famous work he's clearly from a different planet.
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2018-08-28T01:33:20Z Zipheir`: Despite the aforesaid Lisp-bashing, this is a really fun read https://www.perl.com/pub/2007/12/06/soto-11.html/
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2018-08-28T02:04:21Z amz3: wat! perl has it's own community website! that is a real language!
2018-08-28T02:07:11Z amz3: I like that wikipedia page https://www.perl.com/pub/2007/12/06/soto-11.html/
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2018-08-28T02:09:35Z amz3: actually Larry the Cow is unrelated (officially) from the creator of Perl
2018-08-28T02:12:28Z qu1j0t3: amz3: not only real, but hangs on Freenode
2018-08-28T02:13:17Z amz3: oh!
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2018-08-28T03:17:28Z Zipheir`: rudybot: to receive or to let-values?
2018-08-28T03:17:37Z rudybot: Zipheir`: call-with-values or let-values or define-values (if you have it) or receive or ...
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2018-08-28T03:42:35Z amz3: rudybot: call-with-values ftw!
2018-08-28T03:42:37Z rudybot: amz3: It seems like I exaggerated the complexity required by the generalized solution .. I'm just adding a pair of "bytevector" input and output parameters (multiple-return-values FTW) to some places which previously didn't have one .. in the cases where the calculation is actually agnostic to the underlying bytevector, the user could pass #f.
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2018-08-28T04:44:05Z lavaflow: I strongly disagree with Larry Wall about lisp, but it's nice to hear somebody say that about Haskell.   Very little has made me feel as dumb as Haskell.  Haskell is honestly demoralizing to me.
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2018-08-28T11:30:38Z qu1j0t3: lavaflow: that is likely because of a poor teacher or text
2018-08-28T11:31:03Z qu1j0t3: lavaflow: a good Haskell text for any beginner is Simon Thompson's. But i'd also mention that bitemyapp's new book has been used by children
2018-08-28T11:31:38Z qu1j0t3: lavaflow: like any topic, there are some mediocre presentations around
2018-08-28T11:32:55Z lavaflow: poor teachers and texts haven't impeded me much before, except with haskell.
2018-08-28T11:34:04Z lavaflow: I mean my instructor for scheme was really lazy and I was drunk half the time, but I found it easy.   didn't pick up a copy of sicp until years later.
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2018-08-28T12:00:04Z ventonegro: http://haskellbook.com/
2018-08-28T12:00:22Z ventonegro: It's long, but if Haskell baffles you, it's the cure :)
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2018-08-28T14:20:32Z qu1j0t3: right, that's the book i meant
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2018-08-28T14:22:57Z Duns_Scrotus: just read tapl
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2018-08-28T14:23:22Z Duns_Scrotus: it was written so that even programmers can understand it
2018-08-28T14:23:44Z qu1j0t3: does it teach haskell though?
2018-08-28T14:24:03Z Duns_Scrotus: more or less :)
2018-08-28T14:24:11Z qu1j0t3: probably about as much as sicp teaches scheme :)
2018-08-28T14:24:39Z qu1j0t3: anyway, there ARE very good haskell texts -- starting with Thompson and TheHaskellBook (with TAPL for dessert...)
2018-08-28T14:25:28Z qu1j0t3: I'd like to read TAPL. but right now my interest is analog electronics.
2018-08-28T14:25:50Z Duns_Scrotus: that's more interesting than tapl tbh
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2018-08-28T14:39:04Z ventonegro: TAPL won't teach you Monad transformers, though
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2018-08-28T14:53:02Z foof: ellyjones: that's what images are for
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2018-08-28T14:58:21Z ellyjones: foof: hm, 'chibi -d foo.img' then 'chibi -i foo.img -e "#t"' style?
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2018-08-28T15:08:24Z foof: ellyjones: yes
2018-08-28T15:10:03Z foof: ... also I don't know what OS or Python version you're using, but on my machine python -C True is several times slower than chibi -Q
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2018-08-28T16:08:54Z Zipheir`: lavaflow: To add to everyone's pile of Haskell book recommendations: http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pszgmh/pih.html Hutton is extremely clear.
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2018-08-28T16:09:28Z lavaflow: thanks all for the recommendations.
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2018-08-28T16:19:40Z Zipheir`: lavaflow: My impression (after about a year of Haskell) is that it has some concepts that are definitely new, abstract and strange. I'm still a little skeptical, but I think the expressiveness of those ideas justifies their novelty.
2018-08-28T16:27:13Z qu1j0t3: yeah Hutton is well regarded too
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2018-08-28T16:45:29Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: "From First Principles" looks like a good intro, maybe easier than Hutton. I must say that haskellbook.com is sort of an arrogant URL.
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2018-08-28T16:50:35Z Zipheir`: the-only-scheme-book-ignore-everyone-else.io
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2018-08-28T16:51:36Z qu1j0t3: i would refrain from commenting except that i've had the author warn against posting references to other books in #haskell-beginners. So draw your own conclusions :-)
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2018-08-28T16:52:43Z qu1j0t3: i'm sure if i continued to link Hutton and Thompson in there, i'd eventually be banned from that channel
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2018-08-28T17:01:16Z Zipheir`: Not sure if serious.
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2018-08-28T17:17:20Z qu1j0t3: it really happened.
2018-08-28T17:18:38Z qu1j0t3: feel free to repeat the experiment :D
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2018-08-28T17:22:52Z gnomon: woooow
2018-08-28T17:22:58Z gnomon: qu1j0t3, that is... some kind of thing, that's for sure.
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2018-08-28T17:23:09Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: dogma!
2018-08-28T17:24:43Z qu1j0t3: i dunno what it is... i think i kept a log somewhere, not sure where
2018-08-28T17:25:29Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: So... the author is an op or something on #haskell-beginners?
2018-08-28T17:25:49Z qu1j0t3: yes.
2018-08-28T17:26:42Z Zipheir`: Wow. If true. f*ck that.
2018-08-28T17:26:59Z qu1j0t3: maybe i should dig up the logs :)
2018-08-28T17:27:17Z qu1j0t3: can't be sure i kept them, my memory sucks.
2018-08-28T17:27:30Z qu1j0t3: anyway, definitely happened, anyone else could reproduce if they wanted
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2018-08-28T17:27:50Z qu1j0t3: Zipheir`: the author's affiliation with the channel is clear from the topic
2018-08-28T17:30:06Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: I would _sort of_ understand if it were a channel for discussion of the book. But I thought #haskell-beginners was just a channel for generic beginner questions.
2018-08-28T17:31:08Z qu1j0t3: yes, that's what i thought. probably what a lot of people think. :)
2018-08-28T17:31:20Z qu1j0t3: but there's a certain proprietorship extended. just a headsup.
2018-08-28T17:31:32Z qu1j0t3: anyway i need coffee
2018-08-28T17:31:32Z Zipheir`: Sounds anti-competitive. The Freenode Cops should look into this. :)
2018-08-28T17:31:36Z qu1j0t3: eh gnomon what do you say.
2018-08-28T17:31:45Z Zipheir`: coffee, w00t.
2018-08-28T17:33:44Z ski: #haskell-beginners is primarily intended, by its creator, as help for newbies using HPFFP. that hasn't stopped me from suggesting Thompson, though
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2018-08-28T17:36:36Z qu1j0t3: ski: you perhaps missed what happened when I did.
2018-08-28T17:37:04Z ski: probably
2018-08-28T17:37:10Z qu1j0t3: ski: it wasn't that long ago. I've been recommending Thompson in there for years, you probably recall.
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2018-08-28T17:56:15Z aeth: Excuse me, why are we talking about books in #scheme other than the official book of the channel that this channel was set up for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)
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2018-08-28T17:58:14Z aeth: (That's the best way to learn Scheme, btw. The power of positive thought.)
2018-08-28T17:59:12Z qu1j0t3: aeth: I've certainly been rebuked in here for mentioning languages-other-than-Scheme
2018-08-28T17:59:25Z qu1j0t3: i guess i'm just not a team player
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2018-08-28T18:02:18Z aeth: Yeah, I was joking about the book (which is why I picked a ridiculous book instead of a Scheme book)
2018-08-28T18:02:32Z aeth: But this channel really does seem to be set up to promote the Scheme programming language for some reason.
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2018-08-28T18:07:35Z qu1j0t3: god forbid anyone reveal a broad education
2018-08-28T18:07:46Z qu1j0t3: ski: watch yourself!
2018-08-28T18:08:18Z aeth: I think this channel seems to be less strict because Scheme is more of a language family than a language itself
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2018-08-28T18:15:56Z qu1j0t3: i'd probably use the word "discuss" rather than "promote", myself...
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2018-08-28T18:50:59Z Duns_Scrotus: its bc scheme is obviously a language for people who hate rules
2018-08-28T18:52:22Z ski . o O ( "The Power of Negative Thinking" (in Communications of the ACM) by Talin (aka David Joiner) in 1997-07 at <http://viridia.org/talin/negativethinking.html> ; (Ida Hallgren) <https://morethannld.wordpress.com/tag/negative-thinking/> )
2018-08-28T18:56:04Z qu1j0t3: ski: reminds me of the recent twitter blow-up thread. which i can link if you didn't see it.
2018-08-28T18:56:36Z ski: i didn't
2018-08-28T19:02:46Z kilimanjaro: The readscheme.org domain seems to have expired... do any of you know who runs it? It would be a shame to see it dead or sniped
2018-08-28T19:03:10Z wasamasa: ouch
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2018-08-28T19:03:34Z wasamasa: jcowan: do you know who owns readscheme.org and can renew it?
2018-08-28T19:04:19Z kilimanjaro: Archive says jim bender
2018-08-28T19:04:46Z jcowan: ah
2018-08-28T19:04:58Z jcowan: annoying that the DNS provider flushes all information
2018-08-28T19:05:06Z jcowan: from whois
2018-08-28T19:05:11Z wasamasa: I found a registrant email address on the webs
2018-08-28T19:05:55Z wasamasa: and another one on an archived copy
2018-08-28T19:07:01Z aeth: ski: good link
2018-08-28T19:07:20Z ski smiles
2018-08-28T19:08:16Z qu1j0t3: ski: Very long, starts here. https://twitter.com/www_ora_tion_ca/status/1027539289750429696
2018-08-28T19:08:21Z Zipheir`: aeth: #scheme is a channel with non-strict semantics.
2018-08-28T19:09:47Z wasamasa: kilimanjaro: I've sent him an email
2018-08-28T19:09:50Z aeth: Zipheir`: until #scheme is finally defined in r7rs-large
2018-08-28T19:10:46Z Duns_Scrotus: qu1j0t3: that is so dumb
2018-08-28T19:11:04Z kilimanjaro: wasamasa: great, thanks
2018-08-28T19:12:28Z Zipheir`: qu1j0t3: That rant is a pretty impressive feat of ignorance.
2018-08-28T19:12:36Z jcowan: aeth: Feel free to write a SRFI for it
2018-08-28T19:13:20Z Duns_Scrotus: maybe the software industry can learn from aviation so it can become a duopoly where both sides are kept afloat by government contracts
2018-08-28T19:15:49Z aeth: jcowan: are there meta-SRFIs like Python meta-PEPs?
2018-08-28T19:16:18Z aeth: i.e. the early categories of https://www.python.org/dev/peps/#index-by-category
2018-08-28T19:16:26Z jcowan: Not as such, though there are some pages on http://srfi.schemers.org that are meta
2018-08-28T19:16:37Z aeth: sorting by category is actually pretty neat
2018-08-28T19:16:53Z aeth: I'm not sure when the PEP page started doing that but it would be nice if SRFI was broken up into categories
2018-08-28T19:17:12Z jcowan: If you look at the home page you can filter by categories
2018-08-28T19:17:17Z jcowan: (aka keywords)
2018-08-28T19:17:47Z aeth: I don't have third party javascript enabled by default
2018-08-28T19:17:58Z jcowan: well, turn it on for that page
2018-08-28T19:18:03Z jcowan: very much worthwhile
2018-08-28T19:18:17Z aeth: yes, suddenly that popped into existence
2018-08-28T19:18:18Z jcowan: you can trust Art
2018-08-28T19:18:37Z gnomon: Zipheir`, for whatever it's worth, the author of that thread is professionally involved in both aviation and software incident management.  It's fair to disagree with him, but that makes the statements disagreeable, not ignorant.
2018-08-28T19:19:01Z gnomon: (full disclosure, he's also a friend and ex-coworker of mine)
2018-08-28T19:19:12Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: Ignorance of?
2018-08-28T19:19:31Z aeth: Riastradh: Ignorance of the best way to write a long essay on the Internet
2018-08-28T19:19:49Z aeth: Very impressively ignorant there :-)
2018-08-28T19:20:08Z Zipheir`: gnomon: Actually, saying Facebook's allowing of fraudulent advertising is some kind of software problem is indeed ignorant.
2018-08-28T19:20:20Z aeth: There are like 10 different websites whose sole purpose are to make long twitter rants readable
2018-08-28T19:20:32Z gnomon: Agreed, but that's not what he said.
2018-08-28T19:20:43Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: Where did the author say that?
2018-08-28T19:20:44Z Duns_Scrotus: it is what he implied
2018-08-28T19:20:53Z Duns_Scrotus: pretty clearly
2018-08-28T19:21:11Z gnomon: Actually I'm going to back away from this conversation.  Sorry.  It's off topic for this channel and it was rude of me to pick a fight.  Mea culpa.
2018-08-28T19:21:13Z jcowan: twitter should introduce a new service at rant.twitter.org with no character limits
2018-08-28T19:21:24Z jcowan: s/org/com
2018-08-28T19:21:27Z Riastradh: Are you referring to this excerpt?  `Where's the detailed 200-page public report from Facebook on how their management failed to prevent major disinformation campaigns in the US election?  There isn't one, because they're just not that mature.'
2018-08-28T19:21:38Z gnomon: jcowan, .biz, with all the sleaziness that implies!  :D
2018-08-28T19:21:41Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: Yes.
2018-08-28T19:21:45Z jcowan snickers
2018-08-28T19:22:08Z Zipheir`: gnomon: Nope, you're fine.
2018-08-28T19:22:17Z aeth: if they own all the twitter.foo to protect from squatters, the rants have to go on twitter.info
2018-08-28T19:22:22Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: If so: I don't think the author is saying that `it's some kind of software problem'; rather I think he's saying that it is Facebook's responsibility, as a facilitator of these campaigns on their platform, to study what went wrong.
2018-08-28T19:22:23Z aeth: .info is the official TLD for rants
2018-08-28T19:22:32Z Duns_Scrotus: the longer the report the mroe mature
2018-08-28T19:22:43Z Duns_Scrotus: make sure to add people to the committee
2018-08-28T19:23:43Z Riastradh: And, more specifically, to produce written documentation of taking responsibility that can be scrutinized for reasonableness and completeness.
2018-08-28T19:23:58Z aeth: yes
2018-08-28T19:24:34Z gnomon: aeth, sounds like we need a .well_actually TLD
2018-08-28T19:24:47Z gnomon: Riastradh++
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2018-08-28T19:25:53Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: I understand the point. It's just irrelevant to the rest of his rant. Facebook is just irresponsible in general, and, in the case he's referring to, was duped by some pretty well-disguised trolls.
2018-08-28T19:26:20Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: It's not an indictment of an entire industry, I mean.
2018-08-28T19:26:38Z aeth: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/9aobqr/bad_timing/
2018-08-28T19:28:03Z Duns_Scrotus: also it's pretty hilarious to say a plane is "under attack" by rain or w/e
2018-08-28T19:28:09Z aeth: The core Facebook platform is remarkably incompetent right now. Every day some new remarkable failure comes out.
2018-08-28T19:28:39Z aeth: (Facebook the company is fine. They'll just acquire any new up and coming social network.)
2018-08-28T19:28:44Z Duns_Scrotus: idk it seems competent to me
2018-08-28T19:28:59Z Duns_Scrotus: i keep up with old friends and browse memes
2018-08-28T19:29:03Z Duns_Scrotus: works pretty good
2018-08-28T19:29:15Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: If you claim the author is ignorant of the industry, and is merely using Facebook as an easy straw man, can you cite evidence that the rest of the industry largely does take incidents like that seriously and will put the same kind of effort as into airline crash investigations?
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2018-08-28T19:30:34Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: For example:  Does Twitter have a report on the prevalence of Nazi trolls, or on the thousands or millions of government-run (by US and Russia and others alike) sockpuppet accounts crowding its discourse, or does the inflation of account numbers conveniently help its bottom line for investor presentations?
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2018-08-28T19:31:42Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: For example:  Does Google have a report on the role of YouTube's autoplay in fomenting extremism by tending to direct people to successively more and more outlandish videos, conspiracy theories, ethnonationalist fearmongering, &c.?
2018-08-28T19:32:06Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: Fair questions.
2018-08-28T19:32:38Z aeth: YouTube and Facebook's problems have interesting parallels.
2018-08-28T19:32:43Z Riastradh: Or would efforts to curtail the addictive dopamine button-pushing embedded in YouTube's design threaten the advertising revenue from YouTube?
2018-08-28T19:32:53Z qu1j0t3: at last we've got off the topic of Haskell
2018-08-28T19:32:56Z aeth: Both sites put too much emphasis on algorithms
2018-08-28T19:33:45Z Duns_Scrotus: all of these example are basically just complaints about right wingers, and only left wingers give a shit, and they all started after the election, and it's just so fucking obviously dishonest
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2018-08-28T19:33:54Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: No, I don't mean to suggest he's ignorant of the industry. But attacking the quality of software, and attacking how people mis-run and misuse services seem related, but essentially  different.
2018-08-28T19:34:07Z Duns_Scrotus: people keep finding more and more cosmic-brain scapegoats for the election
2018-08-28T19:34:28Z Duns_Scrotus: next they'll complain about whoever wrote hillary's mail server
2018-08-28T19:35:29Z Duns_Scrotus: just come out admit that you don't like trump (i don't either) and that you demand google, facebook, etc prevent bad politicians from ever being elected
2018-08-28T19:35:35Z Riastradh: Duns_Scrotus: Do you have something to contribute, or are you trying to divert the conversation to inflammatory partisan politics?
2018-08-28T19:35:43Z Duns_Scrotus: Riastradh: do you have anything to contribute?
2018-08-28T19:35:50Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: what about the people who hated Google and Facebook for the past 5+ years?
2018-08-28T19:36:03Z Duns_Scrotus: aeth: i used to but i grew up
2018-08-28T19:36:34Z Duns_Scrotus: Riastradh: like everytyhing you've been talking about has been politics, idgi
2018-08-28T19:37:16Z aeth: Sure, it's growing up to accept the destruction of privacy and the centralization of the Internet, killing everything that was good and fun about the Internet from 1990-2008.
2018-08-28T19:37:50Z Duns_Scrotus: was there ever anything good and fun besides irc porn and games
2018-08-28T19:37:56Z Duns_Scrotus: those are still around basically
2018-08-28T19:37:58Z Riastradh: Duns_Scrotus: Why, yes, in fact -- I thought I'd inquire what Rob Russell was ignorant of in the software industry, as Zipheir` had claimed, and thought I'd prompt Zipheir` to expand on that.  But this isn't about partisan politics (`right-wingers', `left-wingers', `the election', `hillary's email server').
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2018-08-28T19:39:15Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: They destroyed forums. And now they're coming for IRC, via Discord, Slack, etc. Eventually every one of those IRC-replacements will be owned by a major Apple/Amazon/Facebook/Microsoft/Google tech company, too.
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2018-08-28T19:39:50Z Duns_Scrotus: i guess forums were kidn of cool
2018-08-28T19:40:30Z aeth: Riastradh: your list syntax is confusing me
2018-08-28T19:41:28Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: And as far as games go, online games were pretty much destroyed. In the old days, you had community servers. Now it's all centralized competitive matchmaking that generates extreme toxicity that didn't exist in the old online gaming.
2018-08-28T19:41:28Z Riastradh: aeth: ?
2018-08-28T19:41:50Z aeth: Riastradh: ('foo', 'bar', 'baz'). exists to mess with Schemers
2018-08-28T19:41:59Z aeth: On multiple levels
2018-08-28T19:42:10Z Riastradh: Heh.  There was some pretty toxic online gaming culture in the '90s.
2018-08-28T19:42:44Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: I think I overstated my point. Russell raises some good points, but my question is: How much can internet services be blamed for the way they're used?
2018-08-28T19:42:46Z aeth: Riastradh: but you could go to a server that was actively moderated by some clan. Active moderation that simply can't scale.
2018-08-28T19:42:54Z Duns_Scrotus: the only experience i have with that is league, which is toxic because it's an inherently frustrating  game
2018-08-28T19:43:23Z Duns_Scrotus: thank god league has matchmaking, having to play with the same people over and over again would never work
2018-08-28T19:43:55Z aeth: but it worked well in every FPS from Quakeworld through to 2006+
2018-08-28T19:44:11Z aeth: But now only older games, indie games, etc., have community servers
2018-08-28T19:44:13Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: But that sounds like finding a diversion, like `How much can the air traffic controllers be blamed for the sudden wind?', rather than taking the charge of negligence seriously and engaging in introspection to understand what went wrong and what can be done better to fix it in the future.
2018-08-28T19:44:18Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: And again, the analogy with aviation is flawed--solving problems with what people do with your platform is fundamentally different from fixing a poor piece of engineering.
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2018-08-28T19:45:13Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: His point isn't about `fixing a poor piece of engineering', though.  `Software is authored by an organization, including programmers, architects, technical writers, quality assurance, UX, and most importantly, management.  They're all authors with a responsibility to implement and improve standards of professional discipline.'
2018-08-28T19:45:35Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: In the old days, most people played online FPSes for fun and only the very best were recruited into competitive groups that organized themselves
2018-08-28T19:45:54Z aeth: Nowadays, everything's ranked and it's a very different experience.
2018-08-28T19:46:22Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: It's just a poor analogy, unless you really believe communities are things that should be engineered.
2018-08-28T19:46:34Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: But that's just one example of just about everything being centralized. Pick a topic and it's probably there, too.
2018-08-28T19:46:45Z Duns_Scrotus: Zipheir`: that is lowkey what a lot of people want
2018-08-28T19:47:12Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: How do you get that the rant is about fixing a poor piece of engineering?
2018-08-28T19:47:23Z Duns_Scrotus: aeth: i think memes are really really good now
2018-08-28T19:47:59Z aeth: Duns_Scrotus: Anyway, the fun thing about doing a postmortem of Facebook's failures is that the ultimate conclusion probably would be that crucial things fundamentally can't be handled at Facebook scale.
2018-08-28T19:48:08Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: So you'd say he's just arguing for more 'maturity'?
2018-08-28T19:48:23Z Zipheir`: aeth: Yes.
2018-08-28T19:48:34Z Duns_Scrotus: yeah
2018-08-28T19:48:54Z Duns_Scrotus: you can't have a site as big as facebook without people running amok
2018-08-28T19:49:41Z Duns_Scrotus: i think facebook, youtube, etc are cool enough to be worth the trade off
2018-08-28T19:49:44Z aeth: Sane online communities are small, decentralized, and actively moderated. IRC channels are normally handled pretty well. There are probably ops among us right now, although Freenode's policy is to have them all go undercover, unlike on most networks.
2018-08-28T19:50:20Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: Sure, you could summarize it like that.
2018-08-28T19:50:35Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: One last point, I don't want to spam the channel. He doesn't really suggest what a 'mature' company would do. He doesn't have any real suggestions for solving the problem of platform abuse.
2018-08-28T19:51:10Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: It's just 'if only this were a serious industry' things would just work, imo.
2018-08-28T19:52:05Z Riastradh: That's true.  When an airplane goes down, the airline or airplane manufacturer naturally has a strong financial incentive from the market to inform everyone that whatever went wrong won't happen again.  The market incentives on Google, Facebook, Twitter, &c., are different.
2018-08-28T19:52:36Z gnomon: (there are strong regulatory incentives as well as market incentives)
2018-08-28T19:54:24Z Riastradh: Whether it's market or regulatory incentives on the airline industry -- which I'm too ignorant of to comment on, so I'll trust gnomon that there are strong regulatory ones too -- there are definitely _not_ strong regulatory incentives (or pretty much any regulatory incentives) on Silicon Valley about this stuff.
2018-08-28T19:55:03Z aeth: The incentive is to not regulate SV
2018-08-28T19:55:13Z aeth: The fear is that regulation would just drive all of tech to some other country
2018-08-28T19:55:39Z Riastradh: Beyond market and regulation, there's also a cavalier culture caricatured by `move fast and break things' -- not always in those words, of course.
2018-08-28T19:55:39Z aeth: facebook.ie would work just fine from the US
2018-08-28T19:56:07Z Riastradh: `Oh, that's security -- not my problem; send it to the security team for review.  Ah, but we're not doing safety-critical things -- not my problem.'
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2018-08-28T19:57:21Z Riastradh: Indeed, part of Rob Russell's point, I think, is that a lot of this is _not_ just a simple matter of engineering that grunt programmers can fix with a SMOP.
2018-08-28T19:58:39Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: Fair enouch.
2018-08-28T19:58:43Z Riastradh: Can Facebook mitigate their role in the Rohingya genocide by dispatching some programmers to do machine learning for sentiment analysis on conversation threads in Myanmar?  Absolutely not.  But my understanding (which is limited, so could be wrong) is that that was basically their answer.
2018-08-28T19:58:47Z Zipheir`: s/enouch/enough/
2018-08-28T19:59:23Z aeth: Riastradh: Facebook is a good example of that 'move fast and break things'. They started with PHP, which was unsuitable for large programs at the time, so then they created their own language Hack once they got large. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language)
2018-08-28T19:59:26Z Zipheir`: Yeah, that's idiotic. It's disappointing, if not surprising, that their answer to everything seems to be "AI!!!"
2018-08-28T19:59:55Z aeth: It certainly took more time to use a language and then replace that language than it would have to just use a better language from the start.
2018-08-28T20:00:11Z aeth: But SV optimizes for fast movement early on
2018-08-28T20:00:22Z Zipheir`: The whole platform is a design failure.
2018-08-28T20:00:43Z aeth: s/replace that language/reimplement that language/
2018-08-28T20:01:13Z daviid: there is (still) no such thing as AI, but AS (artificial stupidity), anythig else is bad marketing ... imo
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2018-08-28T20:03:01Z Riastradh: aeth: It is a good example, perhaps, because that _was_ their motto until four years ago.
2018-08-28T20:03:26Z Zipheir`: daviid: AI == No one to publically whip when the algorithm fails, because no one understands it.
2018-08-28T20:04:03Z gnomon: Zipheir`, that's why a bunch of data scientists I know refer to "AI" as "responsibility laundering"
2018-08-28T20:04:07Z aeth: Afaik the whole point of that approach is to intentionally create technical debt to then spend way more time fixing it later because the growth of moving fast will make it worth it.
2018-08-28T20:04:13Z Zipheir`: gnomon++
2018-08-28T20:04:26Z gnomon: (not my term, I don't deserve credit for it)
2018-08-28T20:04:35Z Riastradh: gnomon: ...Do they call themselves `data scientists'?
2018-08-28T20:04:38Z Zipheir`: *gnomon++
2018-08-28T20:04:48Z gnomon: Riastradh, their managers do, at least.
2018-08-28T20:04:56Z Zipheir`: Needed that extra layer of indirection. :)
2018-08-28T20:05:03Z Riastradh: Zipheir`: I think you mean (*gnomon)++ to advance what gnomon pointed to; *gnomon++ dereferences gnomon and then advances gnomon.
2018-08-28T20:05:20Z Zipheir`: Riastradh: Oops :)
2018-08-28T20:05:23Z gnomon: _They_ call themselves "scientists", or often "grumpy statisticians".
2018-08-28T20:05:40Z gnomon un-advances diplomatically
2018-08-28T20:06:05Z aeth: Riastradh: I think 90% of the confusion around pointers is that awful syntax
2018-08-28T20:06:34Z aeth: I'm surprised people complain about Perl and not that
2018-08-28T20:06:43Z wasamasa: you can have proper pointers, as demonstrated in fortran, modula-3, etc.
2018-08-28T20:06:47Z gnomon: The other 90% of the confusion is not knowing who's to blame for it all, so it turns into a finger pointing exercise
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2018-08-28T20:09:51Z wasamasa: which means you get decent error messages if you screw things up
2018-08-28T20:10:48Z Zipheir`: Function pointers in C are really hideous.
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2018-08-28T20:12:53Z aeth: C's mostly fine as long as you don't use the heap.
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2018-08-28T20:18:51Z gnomon: Mostly fine as long as you also avoid the non-heap things.
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2018-08-28T20:22:25Z gwatt: https://cdecl.org/
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2018-08-28T20:36:21Z aeth: gnomon: well, arrays can get tricky, too
2018-08-28T20:37:59Z gnomon: Yeah, they should be avoided as well
2018-08-28T20:38:06Z gnomon: Also loops and conditionals
2018-08-28T20:38:20Z gnomon: Variable assignment can be troublesome, and of course constants too
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2018-08-28T20:38:29Z gnomon: And nobody should ever use the preprocessor
2018-08-28T20:39:15Z qu1j0t3: All good advice
2018-08-28T20:39:17Z ellyjones: it's really best if you stick to function definitions and function calls exclusively
2018-08-28T20:39:24Z qu1j0t3: even then, risk is present
2018-08-28T20:41:43Z gnomon: Yes - safest to stick to only function definitions, no function calls.
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2018-08-28T20:51:10Z aeth: To be fair, this is #scheme and Scheme avoids many language design problems for feature Foo by not having feature Foo in the standard.
2018-08-28T20:51:19Z aeth: (Especially r5rs and below)
2018-08-28T20:52:55Z gnomon: Lambda functions are also really problematic
2018-08-28T20:53:02Z gnomon: You should probably just stick to S and K combinators
2018-08-28T20:53:43Z gwatt: I feel like this is gearing up to a "programming considered harmful" punchline
2018-08-28T20:54:25Z Riastradh: I dunno, having two different kinds of combinators can be a little mentally overwhelming.
2018-08-28T20:54:39Z Riastradh: Best keep it simple and stick with one of the universal ones.
2018-08-28T20:55:08Z gnomon: "I have abandoned the clock circuitry project at this CPU design company to go live on a farming commune in Vermont and will forevermore deal with no increment of time shorter than a season"
2018-08-28T20:55:22Z Zipheir`: Heh
2018-08-28T20:55:24Z gnomon: Riastradh, NAND gates only?
2018-08-28T20:55:50Z gnomon nods pensively and sagely
2018-08-28T20:55:52Z Riastradh: gnomon: No -- NAND gates are irreversible and destroy information.  Too risky.
2018-08-28T20:55:59Z Riastradh: Raising entropy, &c.
2018-08-28T20:56:01Z gnomon: oh gosh you're right
2018-08-28T20:56:20Z Riastradh: Best stick to completely reversible CNOT gates on quantum computers.
2018-08-28T20:56:42Z Duns_Scrotus: you don't need all that
2018-08-28T20:56:52Z Duns_Scrotus: all you need are some copper traces on your pcb
2018-08-28T20:59:03Z Riastradh: In other news, these orange cardamom cookies from a Vermont farm are delicious, as is this nice brick of puerh tea, but perhaps I should have thought more carefully about the palatal consequences of combinatoring the two.
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2018-08-28T21:05:49Z aeth: More elegant than Scheme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlambda
2018-08-28T21:07:48Z taylan: lol, for some value of "elegant", sure :P
2018-08-28T21:08:19Z gnomon: Riastradh, oh... oh my
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2018-08-28T21:32:10Z Zipheir`: It's virtually impossible to out-minimal people.
2018-08-28T21:34:18Z aeth: Well if you like https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-110/srfi-110.html then you'd love https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)
2018-08-28T21:34:42Z aeth: it'd be hard to be more whitespace-significant than the latter
2018-08-28T21:35:30Z Zipheir`: Oh yeah, whitespace :)
2018-08-28T21:35:37Z Duns_Scrotus: aeth: only one of those revisions is on april first
2018-08-28T21:35:37Z Duns_Scrotus: wow
2018-08-28T21:35:47Z Zipheir`: I'd like to embed Whitespace programs in Python.
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2018-08-29T01:29:29Z kilimanjaro: Riastradh: what are you up to these days
2018-08-29T01:32:46Z Riastradh: kilimanjaro: Bailing random strangers out of jail, dismantling the economic model of targeted advertising by mass surveillance, failing to make mushroom risotto for lack of sufficient parmesan on hand, the usual.  What's up with you?
2018-08-29T01:33:22Z kilimanjaro: wow nice
2018-08-29T01:34:15Z Riastradh: (Not a good sign when the first thought that comes to everyone's mind when tasting risotto is `watery'.)
2018-08-29T01:34:24Z kilimanjaro: I'm uh
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2018-08-29T01:34:45Z kilimanjaro: also dismantling the economic model of targeted advertising by mass surveillance
2018-08-29T01:34:53Z kilimanjaro: except "dismantling" is way too strong
2018-08-29T01:34:58Z Riastradh: Cool!  It's fun to kill parasitism like that.
2018-08-29T01:34:59Z kilimanjaro: but i'm quitting my job
2018-08-29T01:35:07Z kilimanjaro: which was at an advertising company
2018-08-29T01:35:18Z Riastradh: Hooray!
2018-08-29T01:35:32Z kilimanjaro: agreed :)
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2018-08-29T01:35:38Z Duns_Scrotus: why is targetted advertising bad
2018-08-29T01:35:43Z Riastradh: Anything on your radar for what comes next, besides debriefing and decompressing and, perhaps, deprogramming?
2018-08-29T01:36:17Z kilimanjaro: Duns_Scrotus: i don't like it for two reasons
2018-08-29T01:36:37Z kilimanjaro: as a guy who sometimes buys stuff, i'd prefer to not be tracked
2018-08-29T01:36:58Z Riastradh: Duns_Scrotus: If it's categorized to have value for all parties involved with their consent, it's not.  I'm talking about targeted advertising by mass surveillance.
2018-08-29T01:37:16Z Riastradh: For example, Craigslist is great.
2018-08-29T01:37:24Z kilimanjaro: what's being done far exceeds what i find reasonable, and it's not something i would agree to if there was a fair option to not be tracked
2018-08-29T01:38:20Z kilimanjaro: the second reason is just that i don't like working on targeted advertising b/c it feels sleazy
2018-08-29T01:39:20Z kilimanjaro: it's reasonably easy to defend on consequentialist grounds
2018-08-29T01:39:46Z kilimanjaro:  e.g. the worst thing that happens under ordinary circumstances is my company tries to sell someone some shampoo who doesn't want it
2018-08-29T01:40:07Z kilimanjaro: but i don't find this personally compelling, the sleaziness is still there for me
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2018-08-29T01:40:16Z Riastradh: Heh.  Consequentialism is a fancy-sounding word for `ignoring all effects beyond first-order'.
2018-08-29T01:41:28Z Duns_Scrotus: it used to bother me a lot idk why it stopped bothering me tbh
2018-08-29T01:41:42Z kilimanjaro: Riastradh: sure
2018-08-29T01:41:55Z Duns_Scrotus: i think just appreciating the utility that all these surveillance companies bring to me, and not really saying a plausible other way for e.g. google to exist
2018-08-29T01:42:21Z Duns_Scrotus: not really seeing*
2018-08-29T01:42:59Z Duns_Scrotus: kilimanjaro: now your former employer i dont care about so maybe we can ban advertising for them
2018-08-29T01:43:08Z kilimanjaro: yeah
2018-08-29T01:43:23Z kilimanjaro: i'm fine that amazon knows about all the books i have browsed on their site
2018-08-29T01:43:50Z Riastradh: (Things I am not doing: pursuing a PhD in philosophy, remembering to have tact around people who may have a PhD in philosophy and understand consequentialism better than I do.)
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2018-08-30T18:34:55Z hlan: hi guys, what built-in function in scheme (racket IDE) does the job of (lambda (x) x) ? I know it exists but I can't remember its name. Thanks =)
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2018-08-30T18:38:36Z hlan: my internet crashed so if someone answered could he please repost it please (sorry) :s
2018-08-30T18:41:02Z hlan: I found it, it was eval
2018-08-30T18:41:08Z hlan: thanks though :)
2018-08-30T18:41:09Z ski: no
2018-08-30T18:41:19Z ski: rudybot: eval (map values (list 0 1 2 3))
2018-08-30T18:41:31Z rudybot: ski: error: with-limit: out of time
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2018-08-30T18:42:46Z ski: hlan : `eval' is something else. presumably it just by accident appeared to be the identity function, for inputs yuo tried ?
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2018-08-30T18:43:14Z ski: hlan : `values' should work. perhapa Racket also has a function called `identity', i don't recall
2018-08-30T18:44:18Z ski: rudybot: what are you so busy with, that you don't have time to answer a simple query ?
2018-08-30T18:44:29Z tautologico: racket has "identity"
2018-08-30T18:44:37Z ski: ty
2018-08-30T18:44:46Z hlan: oh ok eval constructs dynamically an expression
2018-08-30T18:44:50Z hlan: thanks a lot
2018-08-30T18:45:04Z tautologico: eval evaluates an expression
2018-08-30T18:45:15Z ski: (it's not clear whether hlan is using one of the more restricted teaching languages, where `values' might not be available)
2018-08-30T18:45:20Z hlan: that's why it worked with an integer
2018-08-30T18:45:49Z hlan: I'm using DrRacket and both values and identity is provided :)
2018-08-30T18:45:59Z hlan: thanks again!
2018-08-30T18:45:59Z ski: generally, you don't want to use `eval' in code (especially production code), unless you know why you shouldn't use it (and what to use instead)
2018-08-30T18:46:23Z ski: (unwise use of `eval' can be a security hole in your application)
2018-08-30T18:46:39Z rudybot: ski: is keeping fsbot busy with apropos in a /query
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2018-08-30T18:47:22Z ski: hlan : `values' allow you have an expression evaluate to multiple values. if you only pass one argument to `values', it acts like `identity'
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2018-08-30T18:48:14Z ski: (to receive multiple values from such an expression, you use stuff like `call-with-values',`receive',`let-values',`define-values')
2018-08-30T18:49:26Z ski: rudybot: oic. are you two buddies then, or are you trying to break him ?
2018-08-30T18:49:45Z rudybot: ski: I should add alias to the buddy list menu, since typically you want to alias buddies with the same name (as in this case)
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2018-08-30T18:50:26Z hlan: I only plan to use single argument so identity will do the job perfectly :)
2018-08-30T18:50:50Z hlan: thanks for the indepth answer, really much appreciated!
2018-08-30T18:50:58Z ski: np
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2018-08-31T06:31:02Z Combinatorialist: How can I filter #<unspecified> from a list? (I'm using guile 2.0)
2018-08-31T06:34:54Z Riastradh: Why are you getting it in a list in the first place?
2018-08-31T06:35:44Z aeth: (remove unspecified? l) ; requires srfi 1
2018-08-31T06:37:24Z Riastradh: Nearly always, by definition, if you're acting in the value `unspecified' then you're relying on unspecified behaviour.
2018-08-31T06:37:58Z Riastradh: So while it might technically yield the effect you want today, it might have entirely different consequences tomorrow.  That's what leaving something unspecified is about.
2018-08-31T06:38:04Z Riastradh: Hence:  Why are you getting it in a list in the first place?
2018-08-31T06:41:02Z aeth: The main place where I've seen #<unspecified> in Guile is the return value of display
2018-08-31T06:41:12Z aeth: (That's how I tested my solution)
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