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2017-12-01T07:15:58Z aeth: Someone did it. http://www.michaelburge.us/2017/11/28/write-your-next-ethereum-contract-in-pyramid-scheme.html
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2017-12-01T07:16:13Z aeth: Pyramid Scheme, and for Ethereum, too.
2017-12-01T07:16:36Z wasamasa: "The Pyramid compiler is currently 3512 lines of code, and includes code from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs."
2017-12-01T07:16:47Z aeth: Imperial Airship Scheme is still open as a name, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Airship_Scheme
2017-12-01T07:17:53Z aeth: HN discussion of Pyramid Scheme. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15817542
2017-12-01T07:22:07Z aeth: Reddit discussions of Pyramid Scheme (not many comments yet). https://www.reddit.com/r/scheme/duplicates/7gplrr/write_your_next_ethereum_contract_in_pyramid/
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2017-12-01T15:31:09Z jcob: Hey so I have a question that may be very dumb. When I see scheme's macros, it sort of reminds me of a context free grammar. So can scheme's macros express everything that can be expressed in a context free grammar?
2017-12-01T15:32:20Z X-Scale: jcob: also check ##parsers
2017-12-01T15:32:29Z jcob: The reason I think it might not be able to is because I'm not sure if you could have rules like: "S" -> "A", "SS" -> "SA"
2017-12-01T15:32:52Z jcob: I mean i know it has recursion
2017-12-01T15:33:10Z jcob: but can it split up symbols?
2017-12-01T15:33:29Z ecraven: you can work on lists instead of on strings
2017-12-01T15:34:37Z jcob: So it would have to be (S) -> (A), (S S) -> (S A) I suppose?
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2017-12-01T15:52:33Z DGASAU: jcob: "SS -> SA" doesn't look CFG-ish.
2017-12-01T15:53:00Z DGASAU: (BTW, historically it was "SA -> SS".)
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2017-12-04T13:28:41Z girlitz: greetings friends.
2017-12-04T13:31:12Z girlitz: for some logik fun i like to replace some symbols and then convert the string to a symbol.. why does (string->symbol "(& a b)") translate to something like #{\x28;& a b\x29;}# ?
2017-12-04T13:31:41Z girlitz: btw.: i'm using gnu guile.
2017-12-04T13:32:20Z girlitz: and what is the prefered way of manipulating some nested expression..?
2017-12-04T13:32:34Z girlitz: thank you very much in advance for any help!
2017-12-04T13:32:43Z jackdaniel: having parenhesis symbol printed as parenthesis may confuse the reader
2017-12-04T13:32:52Z jackdaniel: because you enclose s-expressions in ()
2017-12-04T13:33:47Z jackdaniel: '(1 ( ) 3) is list composed of 1, empty list and 3, '(1 #\x28; #\x29; 3) is a list composed of 1, symbol (, symbol ) and 3
2017-12-04T13:35:12Z jackdaniel: or something like that ;)
2017-12-04T13:35:41Z fizzie: Yeah, just to be nitpicky about the syntax, the latter would be '(1 #{\x28;}# #{\x29;}# 3) in Guile.
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2017-12-04T13:41:41Z fizzie: If what you wanted was actually to convert the string "(& a b)" to the list containing the symbols &, a and b (instead of a single symbol with the parentheses and spaces in it), one way would be (call-with-input-string "(& a b)" read).
2017-12-04T13:42:00Z girlitz: okay. thanks. i took that time because i'm not sure that i get the difference of lists, s-expressions and symbols right..
2017-12-04T13:44:04Z girlitz: ahh, okay fizzie..and then i get a s-expression from read?
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2017-12-04T13:49:40Z girlitz: okay, thank you very much, fizzie and jackdaniel!!
2017-12-04T13:50:15Z jackdaniel: :)
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2017-12-04T14:19:44Z pjb: girlitz: S-expression ::= list | non-empty-list-atom .   list ::= pair | () .
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2017-12-04T14:23:26Z pjb: You could say that any lisp object is an S-expression, but technically, if a lisp object doesn't have a printable readably representation then you cannot write a S-expression to read it.  Which is to say that S-expression is a syntax to represent lisp data. So it's text, while lisp data are any type of lisp object.
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2017-12-04T14:49:04Z girlitz: ahh, the good'ol backus-naur-form; thanks pjb. i think i'm just still somewhat confused about the representation of objects (e.g. chars).
2017-12-04T14:49:25Z gwatt: pjb: some schemes have a textual record format
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2017-12-04T18:46:32Z ecraven: does anyone perchance know whether there is a way to get Edwin to accept C-. or C-' as keys? M-. works fine, but C-. prints as "C-^ ." (not sure whether that "^ " isn't something different than a caret-space)
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2017-12-04T19:11:59Z daviid: hello guilers!
2017-12-04T19:12:32Z daviid: wrong channel :)
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2017-12-04T22:59:44Z mejja: ecraven: Try (define-key 'fundamental #\c-\' 'info) ;-)
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2017-12-06T00:43:25Z flashJ: Howdy folks; anyone around that can answer a (likely) basic scheme question?
2017-12-06T00:44:54Z X-Scale: be welcome, flashJ
2017-12-06T00:45:03Z X-Scale: Go ahead
2017-12-06T00:45:52Z flashJ: Thanks!  So, I'm just learning scheme, and I have a program that is working correctly, but I don't understand one line.  (let ((v (read)))( SOME CODE)) is the line.
2017-12-06T00:46:06Z flashJ: Why do I need two sets of parentheses around the (v (read))?
2017-12-06T00:46:35Z flashJ: Seems like I could just write (let (v (read)) (some code)) and it should work.
2017-12-06T00:49:03Z kori: flashJ: because let uses a "parameter list" if we can call it that, maybe someone can present more accurate terminology
2017-12-06T00:49:23Z kori: (let [(v (read))] <code>) is an easier to see what's happening
2017-12-06T00:49:38Z kori: (let [(v (read)) (x something-else)] <code>) is even easier
2017-12-06T00:49:48Z kori: an easier way*
2017-12-06T00:50:46Z flashJ: Oh! I get it.  So I could bind more than one thing?
2017-12-06T00:50:58Z kori: yes you can!
2017-12-06T00:52:13Z X-Scale: Make Scheme Great Again !
2017-12-06T00:52:54Z flashJ: Thanks so much for the reply, folks.  That helps a lot.
2017-12-06T00:53:03Z kori: cheers
2017-12-06T00:53:13Z kori: are you using anything to learn scheme?
2017-12-06T00:54:38Z X-Scale: flashJ: Check R5RS pages 43 and 44. It gives you examples of how those derived expressions types (like let) can be defined by macros. It gives some insight what's behind them.
2017-12-06T00:57:20Z flashJ: Excellent, I will.
2017-12-06T00:57:28Z flashJ: No, just trying things from the manual.
2017-12-06T00:57:55Z kori: flashJ: check out the little schemer
2017-12-06T00:58:18Z flashJ: I'll do that.  Thank you!
2017-12-06T00:58:44Z kori: aye
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2017-12-06T01:14:35Z aeth: let should never be on one line
2017-12-06T01:14:55Z aeth: it's a lot clearer when each binding is on its own line and the body (which can be more than one line) is on its own line(s)
2017-12-06T01:15:58Z aeth: (of course, there are always times to break "should never" rules, but not when learning a language)
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2017-12-06T01:17:00Z kori: aeth: i mean... posting multiple lines on irc is kinda trash
2017-12-06T01:17:03Z aeth: i.e. (let ((v read)\n      (x something-else))\n  <code>)
2017-12-06T01:17:28Z aeth: obviously, yeah, no pasting it on IRC without either turning it into a one-liner or doing what I just did... or ideally use a pastebin, but lisp paste is still down
2017-12-06T01:17:54Z aeth: I'm just trying to make it clear that one-liner lets are unusual, at least in code that I've encountered
2017-12-06T01:18:08Z aeth: Scheme is a language where everything can be a one liner, but few things are.
2017-12-06T01:19:32Z aeth: One liner lets are particularly rare because calling something "v" is very uncommon. Lisp/Scheme conventions (and the styles are surprisingly uniform in the language family, unlike e.g. the C family) tend to prefer descriptive variable names
2017-12-06T01:20:04Z aeth: e.g. (let ((input (read))) ...
2017-12-06T01:20:37Z aeth: It's hard to do a one liner without going over 120 lines when the variables are descriptive.
2017-12-06T01:20:48Z aeth: s/120 lines/120 characters a line/
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2017-12-06T13:50:18Z amoe: ignore ;)
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2017-12-07T22:10:46Z teurastaja: hey is there anyone either involved in AI or in the R7RS committee?
2017-12-07T22:12:16Z teurastaja: riastrash: you there?
2017-12-07T22:12:25Z teurastaja: *riastradh
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2017-12-07T22:15:07Z teurastaja: anyone else?
2017-12-07T22:15:32Z teurastaja: i have an irritating bug in the standard here i need to talk about
2017-12-07T22:17:40Z teurastaja: its my second big project on r7rs with hundreds of lines of code and this one is worse than the other because i have 30 growing tensor units cross-referenced in different record slots and look at the mess:
2017-12-07T22:17:42Z teurastaja: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
2017-12-07T22:18:16Z teurastaja: im making an AI in Scheme basically
2017-12-07T22:19:23Z teurastaja: define-record-syntax and define-library are not cooperative at all
2017-12-07T22:19:41Z teurastaja: i could remove like 100 lines of code if it werent for r7rs' shitty syntax
2017-12-07T22:20:44Z teurastaja: please get someone talking to me before i get crazy and just click on the link to see why
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2017-12-07T22:36:57Z gwatt: teurastaja: what is the bug you are seeing?
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2017-12-07T22:42:54Z teurastaja: gwatt: look at everything i have to pass as symbols
2017-12-07T22:42:54Z teurastaja: useless junk
2017-12-07T22:42:54Z teurastaja: thats a serious bug
2017-12-07T22:43:03Z teurastaja: can you understand it now?
2017-12-07T22:43:09Z gwatt: not really a bug
2017-12-07T22:43:16Z teurastaja: i cant even read myself again
2017-12-07T22:43:21Z teurastaja: yes it is
2017-12-07T22:43:51Z gwatt: we have different definitions of bug.
2017-12-07T22:43:55Z gwatt: but fine
2017-12-07T22:44:17Z teurastaja: everytime i use records i get code clutter, especially in libraries
2017-12-07T22:44:17Z teurastaja: did you see the link?
2017-12-07T22:44:25Z gwatt: I looked at your link
2017-12-07T22:44:27Z teurastaja: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
2017-12-07T22:44:30Z teurastaja: good
2017-12-07T22:44:37Z teurastaja: what can you tell?
2017-12-07T22:44:55Z gwatt: nothing, but I'm not particularly knowledgable about AI
2017-12-07T22:45:40Z teurastaja: nothing to do with AI in fact
2017-12-07T22:45:40Z teurastaja: just notice the record vs export list
2017-12-07T22:46:05Z teurastaja: thats my point
2017-12-07T22:46:18Z teurastaja: the code works
2017-12-07T22:46:57Z teurastaja: thats whats weird about it. not designed to make sense
2017-12-07T22:47:07Z teurastaja: because of r7rs library/record non-cooperation
2017-12-07T22:48:13Z gwatt: I mean, it's not really the language's fault you put 30 fields in a record
2017-12-07T22:48:18Z teurastaja: a bunch of years ago before r7rs was out i made a dancing links algorithm to generate sudoku. the export list wasnt as bad and the record syntax, but it was still bad
2017-12-07T22:48:39Z gwatt: was it using r6rs or r5rs?
2017-12-07T22:49:00Z teurastaja: yes because i could simply export all the record symbols except some
2017-12-07T22:49:00Z teurastaja: r7rs
2017-12-07T22:49:00Z teurastaja: on gauche
2017-12-07T22:49:23Z teurastaja: i was using it from the first drafts and on
2017-12-07T22:50:02Z teurastaja: but it never changed anything
2017-12-07T22:50:10Z wasamasa: let's blame the language for not organizing our code
2017-12-07T22:50:31Z teurastaja: organising? how?
2017-12-07T22:51:13Z teurastaja: theres boxes instead of records ok
2017-12-07T22:51:18Z jcowan_:   teurastaja: You might want to use a-lists instead of records
2017-12-07T22:51:31Z jcowan_: that way you don't have to export all the names, because they are symbols
2017-12-07T22:52:18Z gwatt: that could have awful performance
2017-12-07T22:52:20Z teurastaja: i thought about alists but i need random access times
2017-12-07T22:52:20Z teurastaja: because i have 30+ growing tensor units
2017-12-07T22:52:22Z teurastaja: all interconnected
2017-12-07T22:52:30Z teurastaja: exactly
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2017-12-07T22:52:39Z wasamasa: clearly it's python's fault that this kind of clusterfuck happens: https://ptpb.pw/Bm99
2017-12-07T22:53:16Z gwatt: jcowan_: but then you have to deal with typos. at least with exported symbols the compiler should catch that
2017-12-07T22:53:52Z jcowan_: Indeed.
2017-12-07T22:54:32Z wasamasa: in CHICKEN I could just export everything
2017-12-07T22:54:48Z teurastaja: lol no but if i declare a library to initialize a record structure i get at least a page of code instead of simply passing the structures symbols conditionally
2017-12-07T22:54:48Z teurastaja: thats an irritant
2017-12-07T22:55:16Z jcowan_: Eh, who looks at export lists?
2017-12-07T22:55:19Z teurastaja: could you single out record structures?
2017-12-07T22:55:28Z wasamasa: I think we now know why scheme isn't popular for machine learning
2017-12-07T22:55:34Z teurastaja: jcowan: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
2017-12-07T22:55:35Z wasamasa: too many symbols to wrangle
2017-12-07T22:55:37Z jcowan_: Pfft.
2017-12-07T22:55:40Z gwatt: wasamasa: or lots of things...
2017-12-07T22:56:10Z jcowan_: If you want efficiency, you have to declare things.  That's true in most languages.
2017-12-07T22:56:15Z teurastaja: yes that must be the reason: bad record structure handling of libraries
2017-12-07T22:56:19Z jcowan_: In this case it is getters and setters.
2017-12-07T22:56:21Z wasamasa: let's look at how C does it
2017-12-07T22:56:46Z gwatt: well, aren't getters/setters automatically generated if you want
2017-12-07T22:56:58Z jcowan_: Automatically generated, yes; automatically exported, no.
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2017-12-07T22:57:13Z teurastaja: in C i would use an enum on the 3rd dimension indexes of a 5-dimensional array
2017-12-07T22:57:24Z jcowan_: C uses the same syntax to define and to declare record types
2017-12-07T22:57:34Z wasamasa: teurastaja: well, um, have you considered doing that in scheme?
2017-12-07T22:57:51Z teurastaja: that would amount to using alists
2017-12-07T22:58:36Z gwatt: jcowan_: of course not auto-exported, but just using the default functions would cut down a lot on that define-record-type
2017-12-07T22:59:01Z jcowan_: define-record-type (in R7RS and SRFI 9) has no defaults
2017-12-07T22:59:32Z jcowan_: one of the principles of syntax-rules is that you can't define any identifier that doesn't appear explicitly in the code
2017-12-07T23:00:20Z gwatt: hmm
2017-12-07T23:00:51Z gwatt: I think that's a pretty good argument for breaking hygiene
2017-12-07T23:01:18Z teurastaja: id simply like to, first, be able to single out record elements in export lists, alleviating about 50 lines of code, then id also like to be able to generate setter symbols and assign them by position, alleviating another 30-like lines of code
2017-12-07T23:01:29Z gwatt: the r6rs define-record-type is much nicer, now that I'm looking at the r7rs doc
2017-12-07T23:02:24Z teurastaja: again if anyone didnt see since the beginning of the convo: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
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2017-12-07T23:02:49Z jcowan_: Yes, but it demands a low-level macro system, and we have zero consensus on low-level macro systems.
2017-12-07T23:03:31Z gwatt: yeah, I saw :-/
2017-12-07T23:03:58Z Riastradh: Obviously you should invent a new one!
2017-12-07T23:04:11Z gwatt: jsut copy syntax-parse from racket and be done with it
2017-12-07T23:04:13Z teurastaja: please find a solution to this. every custom big project i made had records and i think its common
2017-12-07T23:04:45Z wasamasa: clearly a defect for a language most known for its industrial strength - not
2017-12-07T23:04:54Z teurastaja: thats it about me complaining, thanks for listening
2017-12-07T23:07:51Z wasamasa: rudybot: what do you think of a new industrialRS standard?
2017-12-07T23:08:08Z rudybot: wasamasa: what do you think of changing TR type error messages to fit the new error message standard?
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2017-12-08T00:49:02Z rudybot: takitus: i also like the idea of designing your own 'register machine' in ch5 which a lot of people suggest skipping, but as I'm also learning vhdl i think it'd be a really fun exercise to make a scheme machine on an fpga using that chapter
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2017-12-08T09:02:39Z ManDay: Does R6RS have anything on multithreading?
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2017-12-08T09:44:10Z wasamasa: it wouldn't surprise me at all
2017-12-08T09:44:37Z wasamasa: you're better off looking for a scheme with srfi-18 support
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2017-12-08T09:57:39Z ManDay: so many schemes ;-/
2017-12-08T09:57:42Z ManDay: thanks wasamasa
2017-12-08T09:59:12Z wasamasa: some do their own thing like kawa which provides promises and futures on top of the java primitives
2017-12-08T10:00:08Z ManDay: i guess explicit asynchronicity just doesn't have a proper place in functional programming
2017-12-08T10:00:30Z wasamasa: I guess people don't understand what the scheme reports are about
2017-12-08T10:00:43Z wasamasa: hint: it's not functional programming
2017-12-08T10:00:43Z ManDay: meaning what?
2017-12-08T10:02:15Z wasamasa: ok, I'll give you the first paragraph of the r6rs summary
2017-12-08T10:03:10Z ManDay: i have that here, thanks
2017-12-08T10:03:11Z wasamasa: "The report gives a defining description of the programming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald Jay Sussman. It was designed to have an exceptionally clear and simple semantics and few different ways to form expressions. A wide variety of programming paradigms, including functional, imperative, and message passing
2017-12-08T10:03:11Z wasamasa: styles, find convenient expression in Scheme."
2017-12-08T10:03:49Z wasamasa: does "clear and simple semantics" sound to you like it's a language designed to encompass every single paradigm?
2017-12-08T10:04:18Z ManDay: heh
2017-12-08T10:04:23Z wasamasa: or "few different ways to form expressions"?
2017-12-08T10:04:24Z ManDay: you're not a fan of r6rs?
2017-12-08T10:04:37Z wasamasa: um, this description applies to every revision of the standard
2017-12-08T10:05:02Z wasamasa: while r6rs doubled in size over its predecessor, it didn't smuggle in first-class logic programming support
2017-12-08T10:05:35Z ManDay: so what is your point? in my understanding, scheme is primarily functional of design with side-effects and some syntactic sugar giving it imperative tunes
2017-12-08T10:05:59Z wasamasa: it's designed to be a minimalistic language where as much as possible is delegated to libraries
2017-12-08T10:06:02Z ManDay: (or rather: every lisp is)
2017-12-08T10:06:12Z wasamasa: this includes core runtime libraries such as srfi-18
2017-12-08T10:06:27Z ManDay: right. but shared memory is something that cannot be just delegated out of a spec
2017-12-08T10:06:31Z wasamasa: it is
2017-12-08T10:06:45Z wasamasa: just don't mention it in the spec at all
2017-12-08T10:07:01Z JuanDaugherty: lisp was once consider prime functional, today the pure boys have that title and some don't even consider it to be fp
2017-12-08T10:07:09Z JuanDaugherty: *considered
2017-12-08T10:07:53Z wasamasa: ManDay: a scheme may implement more than the standard and all the ones worth using do
2017-12-08T10:07:53Z JuanDaugherty: for prolog in lisp i recommend boizumault, for which excellent cl sources are available
2017-12-08T10:08:06Z ManDay: if you still want to be able to express your program in the original (spec'ed) language without making every side-effect function wrapped into a specific "threading library" wrapper, you NEED to spec multi-thread behaviour
2017-12-08T10:08:22Z wasamasa: why?
2017-12-08T10:08:46Z ManDay: because otherwise, how are your side effects still well defined, if for example multiple threads have them?
2017-12-08T10:08:56Z wasamasa: for that you'd need to have multiple threads
2017-12-08T10:09:09Z wasamasa: so, if your scheme has them, sure, it has to think about that
2017-12-08T10:09:17Z wasamasa: but the spec doesn't, so it doesn't
2017-12-08T10:09:47Z ManDay: and that's why I say, you can't just add multi-threading behaviour "on top" of the spec (not without amending the definition therein, that is)
2017-12-08T10:09:56Z wasamasa: sure you can amend definitions
2017-12-08T10:10:14Z ManDay: well, then it's not anymore a "library" in my understanding, but a new spec, new language
2017-12-08T10:10:16Z wasamasa: CHICKEN for instance specifies how parameters behave in multi-threading and that you should use them instead of set!
2017-12-08T10:10:58Z ManDay: wasamasa: I thought your point was that such could be contained in a library (which, by definition, doesn't amend the spec)
2017-12-08T10:11:08Z wasamasa imagines ManDay walking around a book store, highlighting and extending passages and claiming that the book is now theirs)
2017-12-08T10:11:24Z ManDay: ...
2017-12-08T10:11:49Z wasamasa: it's a new book after all, right?
2017-12-08T10:12:04Z ManDay: it's *not* an extension to the book as in "<11:05 wasamasa> it's designed to be a minimalistic language where as much as possible is delegated to libraries"
2017-12-08T10:12:18Z ManDay: it's a change of the book
2017-12-08T10:12:27Z ManDay: anyway, the analogy sucks imo
2017-12-08T10:12:43Z wasamasa strikes through the book passage and puts new text into the margin
2017-12-08T10:13:49Z ManDay: my point was just, (explicit) multithreading has no place in functional programming. scheme is still somewhat functional...
2017-12-08T10:14:12Z wasamasa: this is going into logics 101 territory
2017-12-08T10:14:14Z ManDay: so i'm not surprised that the support of multithreading is somewhat scarce and not in the RnRS
2017-12-08T10:14:49Z wasamasa: "Men are barbaric, some people are men, therefore they're all barbaric"
2017-12-08T10:15:15Z wasamasa: spot the error?
2017-12-08T10:15:35Z jackdaniel: nope, seems legit ;)
2017-12-08T10:15:39Z ManDay: yep
2017-12-08T10:15:48Z wasamasa: also, scheme isn't a functional programming language, people just happen to like writing it in a functional style
2017-12-08T10:15:57Z wasamasa: sthey also like writing it in other styles
2017-12-08T10:16:02Z wasamasa: some of them even like using threads
2017-12-08T10:16:12Z wasamasa: some like supporting threads for that kind of people
2017-12-08T10:16:23Z ManDay: wasamasa: ...not my place to correct you, eh... but I disagree. scheme is functional in nature of its style
2017-12-08T10:16:25Z JuanDaugherty: well the anaphora on 'they're' is problematic
2017-12-08T10:16:29Z wasamasa: drawing an absolute conclusion from these loosely related observations is silly
2017-12-08T10:16:57Z wasamasa: ManDay: ok, "functional" is absolutely worthless of a description, much like OOP
2017-12-08T10:17:36Z wasamasa: glad to have found the core issue
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2017-12-08T10:18:38Z C-Keen: scheme reports use the wording procedure instead of function since there are no restrictions on side effects anywhere in the language
2017-12-08T10:18:51Z wasamasa: yeah, this is a rather telling one
2017-12-08T10:18:56Z ManDay: i think, although rarely applicable, "functional programming" is a well defined term. only the concatenation of functions is a functional program
2017-12-08T10:19:18Z ManDay: sorry, this should be "chanining"
2017-12-08T10:19:44Z ManDay: and excludes side-effects and the concatenation of functions, which is what immediately renders such a program of imperative parts
2017-12-08T10:20:12Z C-Keen: you are conflating a programming style with a language definition. Scheme at its core has been a vehicle to implement an actor model, but it turned out the description and evaluation model is useful for general programming.
2017-12-08T10:20:31Z ManDay: so yes, no one reasonably programs purely functional, but scheme still reminds more of functional origin than of mixed paradigm or even imperative
2017-12-08T10:20:43Z C-Keen: you can write in whatever paradigm you want, be it OO, 'purely functional' etc
2017-12-08T10:22:00Z C-Keen: A lot of scheme code is very imperative though. Especially code optimised for speed
2017-12-08T10:22:32Z ManDay: Just why would I choose scheme for that purpose? It's syntax strikes me as utterly ugly for anything imperative
2017-12-08T10:22:55Z C-Keen: how is syntax obstructing that?
2017-12-08T10:23:28Z ManDay: it's not obstructing it, but it seems tailored towards functional style, where it's close to minimal
2017-12-08T10:24:01Z C-Keen: how is (set! (frob-it bar) 23) not minimal?
2017-12-08T10:24:56Z ManDay: thats not telling anything. you don't even use the side-effect in that example. it only becomes misplaced if you use it to write a whole program/part in an imperative style.
2017-12-08T10:25:17Z C-Keen: you don't know where that side effect is used, that's the nature of a side effect
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2017-12-08T14:13:36Z jcowan_: R7RS notes the effect of threading on parameters (if, heh heh, you happen to have parameters)
2017-12-08T14:14:17Z jcowan_: incompatibility around parameter mutation and threading are why r7rs only specifies how to read parameters and not how to write to them
2017-12-08T14:14:35Z jcowan_: s/happen to have parameters/happen to have threads/; you have to have parameters to be r7rs
2017-12-08T14:15:24Z ManDay: jcowan_: interesting, can you link to the section perhaps?
2017-12-08T14:18:05Z jcowan_: section 4.2.6, p. 20
2017-12-08T14:19:00Z ManDay: meh, no html ;-/
2017-12-08T14:21:08Z jcowan_: Sorry, no, the specialized LaTeX->HTML script used for previous versions can't cope with the internal hyperlinks, which IMO are more important.
2017-12-08T14:21:24Z jcowan_: Someone rilly otta fix that
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2017-12-08T14:22:09Z wasamasa: inb4 perl
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2017-12-08T20:48:19Z takitus: wasamasa: Why C++ and Java are "industrial strength" and Scheme isn't is something I don't comprehend. :-)
2017-12-08T20:48:42Z wasamasa: takitus: it's a bit of chicken and egg problem
2017-12-08T20:49:10Z wasamasa: takitus: people won't use things that don't appear to work for them, but only such users can take that thing beyond its current state
2017-12-08T20:50:05Z wasamasa: then there's disagreements on what industry-strength means
2017-12-08T20:50:35Z takitus: wasamasa: Indeed.
2017-12-08T20:52:28Z takitus: wasamasa: I'd hazard a definition: "So featureful that not even the language designer(s) know what's really in it."
2017-12-08T20:53:04Z wasamasa: mine would be that I wouldn't get fired for using it in production
2017-12-08T20:53:19Z wasamasa: by this definition haskell can be industry-strength
2017-12-08T20:56:28Z takitus: wasamasa: Definition by appeal to authority. :-)
2017-12-08T20:56:39Z takitus: wasamasa: I'd fire myself for using C++.
2017-12-08T20:58:11Z gwatt: industry strength == PHB approved
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2017-12-08T21:25:58Z gwatt: but it does depend on the industry in question
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2017-12-08T21:36:55Z pjb: Industrial strength doesn't mean anything for things like languages or mathematical theorems.
2017-12-08T21:37:14Z pjb: Take this expression with a very big grain if irony!
2017-12-08T21:38:11Z qu1j0t3: a cannonball?
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2017-12-08T21:39:43Z JuanDaugherty: in my experience it does mean something
2017-12-08T21:40:11Z JuanDaugherty: if you allow the physical to translate into the abstract
2017-12-08T21:40:54Z pjb: Well, we can define toy languages.  Those that drag you down the turing tarpit.  (lack of abstraction).
2017-12-08T21:41:10Z pjb: But beyond that, any language can be as good as another.
2017-12-08T21:43:13Z JuanDaugherty: 'toy language'. pure fp langs were thought of like that before ocaml and haskell
2017-12-08T21:44:54Z JuanDaugherty: people definitely seem to go into the weeds on various qualia, like 'purity'
2017-12-08T21:47:53Z takitus: pjb: Indeed. I've talked to game developers who insisted C++ was the only language a game could be written in and who had never heard of Turing completeness.
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2017-12-11T01:33:34Z jcob: can anyone help me understand this?
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2017-12-11T15:06:02Z jcowan_: There are three classes of languages: those with only one implementation, those with one prestigious implementation and many wannabes, and those with multiple prestigious implementations.  Lisps are in the third category.
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2017-12-11T15:42:48Z gwatt: what signifies a "prestigious implementation"
2017-12-11T15:44:58Z pjb: gwatt: watch the movie "The Prestige".
2017-12-11T15:45:20Z pjb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
2017-12-11T15:46:21Z qu1j0t3: oh god that was a terrible movie
2017-12-11T15:46:36Z gwatt: isn't that the one about magicians that had Tesla's duplicating teleporter?
2017-12-11T15:46:41Z qu1j0t3: yeah
2017-12-11T15:46:44Z pjb: yep.
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2017-12-11T15:47:28Z gwatt: batman and wolverine werethe magicians, right?
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2017-12-11T16:01:10Z qu1j0t3: yeah
2017-12-11T16:01:18Z qu1j0t3: sounds gr8 so far doesn't it
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2017-12-11T16:05:09Z gwatt: I don't remember it being *that* bad
2017-12-11T16:05:29Z gwatt: but I was also not compelled to watch it more than once
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2017-12-11T16:07:20Z pjb: It's not bad at all, a great movie!
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2017-12-11T16:20:56Z gwatt: Ehh, the magical teleporting duplicator mathingy was a bit too much, I think.
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2017-12-11T16:46:35Z pjb: gwatt: not really, it was Tesla's invention!
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2017-12-11T16:49:39Z gwatt: that's not better
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2017-12-11T17:02:15Z jcowan_: gwatt: one that inspires respect and admiration (and often serves as the de facto standard).  CPython and GHC are examples.
2017-12-11T17:02:27Z jcowan_: Racket would like to be an example, but doesn't quite manage it.
2017-12-11T17:02:55Z gwatt: I think that's a weird statement, given that racket is the most popular scheme
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2017-12-11T17:04:52Z jcowan_: Well, it has the advantage of being a school implementation (in the sense that some books have the advantage of being taught in school).
2017-12-11T17:05:19Z jcowan_: But e.g. nobody worries about keeping their implementation racket-compatible
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2017-12-11T18:32:50Z gwatt: I don't think I've read about anybody keeping their lisp compatible with another implementation
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2017-12-11T18:38:22Z jackdaniel: catching up with API is a common thing though
2017-12-11T18:38:57Z jackdaniel: CL world example: I'm implementing timers in ECL and I'm mimicing SBCL's API, so porting libraries will be easier (same was with sb-bsd-sockets contrib)
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2017-12-11T18:49:33Z jcowan_: SBCL is turning into the most-prestigious CL implementation
2017-12-11T18:50:16Z gwatt: how many others are there? I know of CCL, ECL, ACL, and lispworks
2017-12-11T18:52:04Z aeth: SBCL, CCL, ECL, ABCL (on JVM), CLISP (not dead yet),  CMUCL (SBCL is a fork of this), GCL ("GNU Common Lisp", which is dead... and yes, GNU has two CLs because CLISP is GNU, too)
2017-12-11T18:52:20Z gwatt: ah yes,i forgot about clisp
2017-12-11T18:52:42Z jcowan_: ABCL, Allegro (limited version), CCL, Clisp, CMUCL, ECL, MKCL, SBCL, SCL are the ones I was able to get or build
2017-12-11T18:53:02Z jackdaniel: if you are interested in all active, check out this: https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/static/quarterly/img/vol4/all-hierarchy.png
2017-12-11T18:53:07Z jackdaniel: green ones are maintained
2017-12-11T18:53:09Z aeth: There are several attempts at a CL LispOS, which I think have their own implementations. And the commercial Lisps past Allegro and LispWorks could still be alive, since really all they need is a few customers to still be alive.
2017-12-11T18:53:30Z aeth: So I would personally ignore trying to track down commercial ones. They might not have much of a web presence.
2017-12-11T18:53:40Z jcowan_ nods
2017-12-11T18:54:16Z gwatt: and whoever is maintaining the slackbuild of sbcl decided that clisp should be the bootstrap
2017-12-11T18:54:22Z aeth: I have no idea what WCL is on that diagram. Or HCL.
2017-12-11T18:54:30Z jcowan_: That's reasonable, since Clisp needs no bootstrap.
2017-12-11T18:54:56Z gwatt: aeth: HCL is hydrochloric acid
2017-12-11T18:55:46Z jackdaniel: HCL is KCL descendant – commercial implementation, cltl2
2017-12-11T18:55:46Z jackdaniel: WCL is a re-do of ABCL with C++ core
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2017-12-11T18:56:25Z aeth: I wonder if mocl is still alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocl
2017-12-11T18:56:31Z jcowan_: Kawa plans to provide CL eventually; there are a lot of bits and pieces already, but no working implementation.
2017-12-11T18:56:36Z gwatt: I remember when using pgloader, the author recommended using CCL over SBCL because of some quirk in the GC
2017-12-11T18:57:42Z jackdaniel: SBCL is very frivolous with its memory usage
2017-12-11T18:57:47Z jackdaniel: CCL is way more conservative
2017-12-11T18:58:43Z jackdaniel: aeth: according to the author, he still works on it (I've emailed him when I was making this diagram)
2017-12-11T18:59:24Z jcowan_: You can't be sure what's dead and what isn't; sometimes a code base, esp. one with one maintainer, sits there for years and then explodes with a new major version.
2017-12-11T18:59:38Z jackdaniel nods
2017-12-11T19:00:20Z gwatt: I like that there's a lisp named "Software Engineer"
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2017-12-11T19:02:09Z jcowan_: to say nothing of the Chez tornado
2017-12-11T19:02:18Z aeth: no psil yet? Or, less subtly, psiL
2017-12-11T19:02:26Z aeth: We haven't run out of names yet
2017-12-11T19:03:01Z aeth: Is there a Grand Scheme yet? There is a Pyramid Scheme now (on Ethereum). I don't think there's a Ponzi Scheme yet. Or an Imperial Airship Scheme.
2017-12-11T19:03:11Z jcowan_: I'm planning an implementation called Bottom Scheme someday
2017-12-11T19:05:14Z ecraven: are there any recent Schemes that follow the -bit tradition?
2017-12-11T19:05:32Z jcowan_: GCL is only partly compliant with ANSI, and hasn't had a release for three years, but I think it is only mostly dead <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbE8E1ez97M>
2017-12-11T19:05:40Z ecraven: some day, I'll write a weebit with an intermediate language that's called weevil :P
2017-12-11T19:05:57Z jcowan_: Sounds right
2017-12-11T19:06:12Z jcowan_: You know about the weevil statue?
2017-12-11T19:06:22Z jcowan_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boll_Weevil_Monument
2017-12-11T19:06:33Z ecraven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boll_Weevil_Monument that one?
2017-12-11T19:06:39Z ecraven: no, never heard of it ;)
2017-12-11T19:07:07Z ecraven: that could be the logo :P
2017-12-11T19:07:28Z gwatt: ecraven: what is this "-bit" tradition?
2017-12-11T19:07:46Z ecraven: orbit,rabbit, twobit are the ones that come to mind first
2017-12-11T19:07:55Z gwatt: ah,
2017-12-11T19:08:03Z jcowan_: rabbit came first, certainly
2017-12-11T19:08:15Z gwatt: there's also urbit...
2017-12-11T19:08:34Z ecraven: maybe it wasn't even a tradition, it just seemed like one to me when I first noticed ;)
2017-12-11T19:09:39Z jcowan_: Orbit is definitely suggested by Rabbit, and Twobit by either or both of them.  Also, "two-bit" means "insignificant" (worth only US$0.25)
2017-12-11T19:10:34Z jcowan_: "Windows 95 was a 32-bit shell on top of a 16-bit operating system designed for an 8-bit computer based on a 4-bit chip, designed by a two-bit company that doesn't care one bit about its users."
2017-12-11T19:11:11Z ecraven: not a bad quote ;)
2017-12-11T19:11:29Z gwatt: when was the first 32 bit windows os?
2017-12-11T19:11:38Z jcowan_: One of the acknowledgements in Quux's Rabbit thesis is "Dick Gabriel, a most singular person (that's odd...) who knows that Lapin is best dealt with gingerly."
2017-12-11T19:11:49Z jcowan_: Windows NT 3.51, I guess
2017-12-11T19:13:00Z ecraven: interesting, never heard about the great Quux before ;)
2017-12-11T19:13:20Z jcowan_: Now, it was Windows NT 3.1 (1993).
2017-12-11T19:13:57Z jcowan_: It's said that when he got married, his wedding invitations said "Guy Steele", and a lot of his friends read their cards and went "WTF is this?"
2017-12-11T19:14:14Z jcowan_: s/Now/No
2017-12-11T19:15:25Z pjb: Yes, instead of gls…
2017-12-11T19:16:21Z jcowan_: or quux
2017-12-11T19:17:23Z gwatt: ecraven: I got some more work done on my chez-exe thingy
2017-12-11T19:17:38Z gwatt: biggest thing is that it's no longer linux specific
2017-12-11T19:17:40Z ecraven: very cool!
2017-12-11T19:18:18Z gwatt: turns out it's easier to abuse the linker than the file format
2017-12-11T19:18:47Z ecraven: I am still pondering what to use, I have to work on centos, so I need something where I can just deploy one directory (no system installation). I think gambit is one of the few that can generate a single static executable (and maybe chicken), but that way chez might be good to use too (and the ffi is simpler in chez, I think)
2017-12-11T19:19:06Z ecraven: gerbil might be an option too, it's supposed to be good for systems stuff
2017-12-11T19:19:17Z gwatt: the only thing my program needs is a /tmp directory
2017-12-11T19:19:36Z gwatt: though the exe is not statically linked
2017-12-11T19:19:37Z ecraven: that's probably a given on any linux ;)
2017-12-11T19:19:49Z ecraven: that's ok, as long as I don't have to put files anywhere but in the application directory
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2017-12-11T19:20:20Z gwatt: ah, yeah, that shoudl be ok for you then
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2017-12-11T19:21:15Z gwatt: I'd like to eventually get it so that I can point chez at some arbitrary bytes and have it work instead of writing temporary files
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2017-12-11T19:39:51Z ecraven: is anyone using anaphoric if regularly? I find myself wishing for it more and more often :-/
2017-12-11T19:40:24Z ecraven: things like (let ((q (assoc ...))) (if q (cdr q) some-default))  somehow seem simpler as (aif (assoc ...) (cdr it) some-default)
2017-12-11T19:41:54Z wasamasa: nah, use if-let instead
2017-12-11T19:42:06Z wasamasa: or and-let*, that one got a SRFI
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2017-12-11T19:43:16Z ecraven: hm.. maybe more verbosity is a good thing here ;) thanks!
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2017-12-11T19:47:49Z gwatt: ecraven: (cond [(assoc ...) => cdr] [else ...]) ?
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2017-12-11T19:50:36Z wasamasa: => is pretty nice there, indeed
2017-12-11T19:50:45Z wasamasa: I use it with identity if the condition doubles as the return value
2017-12-11T20:05:25Z gwatt: wasamasa: in that case why not use or?
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2017-12-11T20:06:03Z gwatt: well, I guess if you have more than two clauses in the cond.
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2017-12-11T20:06:11Z wasamasa: yes indeed
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2017-12-11T20:10:21Z gwatt: i think it's a bit weird that no rnrs has specified an "identity" function
2017-12-11T20:21:30Z jcowan: (identity 8) is 12 characters, (lambda (x) x) is 14 charactrs.  Not much of a saving.
2017-12-11T20:22:07Z jcowan: thetre may wind up being a SRFI with it, which may or may not make it into r7rs-large
2017-12-11T20:23:36Z wasamasa: hey, that's an unfair comparison, it's just identity
2017-12-11T20:23:47Z wasamasa: rudybot: I smell identity politics!
2017-12-11T20:23:58Z rudybot: wasamasa: MMMM........mmmm+i'm+abit+confusing+right+now......why+will+they+eat+their+own+poo-poo+where+it+smell+so+terrible?+Actually,+mushu+is+very+good+in+her+toilet+training.+She'll+only+pee+&+poo+on+the+newspaper+i+prepared+for+her.+But+she+eats+it+when+i'm+away!+After+i+beat+her+twice,+she+seems+to+bark+at+the+poo+first+before+she+goes+near+it.+Then+she'll+smell+it+&+play+with+it.+Then+she'll+put+everything+into+her+mo
2017-12-11T20:24:05Z gwatt: oh god
2017-12-11T20:24:11Z wasamasa: sorry
2017-12-11T20:24:37Z gwatt: actually, could probably use "values" as an identity function in most schemes
2017-12-11T20:28:51Z pjb: The equivalent of (identity 8) is ((lambda (x) x) 8); (length "((lambda (x) x) 8)") #| --> 18 |#
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2017-12-11T20:30:26Z ecraven: gwatt: the problem is functions other than assoc, which might return not #f but some other value
2017-12-11T20:30:35Z ecraven: but and-let* looks like a decent solution for most cases
2017-12-11T20:31:02Z ecraven: well, `id' is only 2 characters :P
2017-12-11T20:31:38Z pjb: (length "(define id (lambda (x) x))") #| --> 26 |#
2017-12-11T20:35:17Z gwatt: ecraven: but in your example you wanted the an expression to be used as the condition for an if
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2017-12-11T20:36:30Z ecraven: pjb: my main gripe with that is, there are so many "basic" functions that I need to define, that most Schemes already have anyway, but not named compatibly... so a bit of standardization here would be very welcome
2017-12-11T20:36:58Z pjb: Yep, you're ready for Common Lisp.
2017-12-11T20:37:04Z ecraven: like call-with-input-string
2017-12-11T20:37:16Z ecraven: pjb: if it only were not a lisp-n, but a lisp-1, I might be :P
2017-12-11T20:37:47Z pjb: Really? How often do you (((generate-fun-generating-fun) x) y)?
2017-12-11T20:38:04Z ecraven: I'm sorry to say I've tried but failed, there's too many details that to me personally are solved in a better way in Scheme than in CL (even though there is not enough standardisation imho). but r7rs-large might finally change this
2017-12-11T20:38:18Z pjb: ok, then you should go r7rs.
2017-12-11T20:38:20Z ecraven: like the way symbols work in CL is something I don't like much ;)
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2017-12-11T20:41:55Z wasamasa: it's funny because clojure copied their behavior, however you only notice it in macros and namespaced keywords
2017-12-11T20:43:14Z wasamasa: this is the fault of ` and :: expanding namespaces
2017-12-11T20:44:15Z wasamasa: therefore implementing LOOP in clojure would be similarly annoying
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2017-12-11T20:52:50Z jcowan: pjb: yes, I knew that, but was in a job interview and couldn't fix it
2017-12-11T20:53:26Z gwatt: how did the interview go?
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2017-12-11T20:53:47Z jcowan: He didn't meet our needs
2017-12-11T20:54:01Z jcowan: a polite wy of saying "clueless"
2017-12-11T20:54:25Z wasamasa: jcowan: couldn't fix what?
2017-12-11T20:54:38Z jcowan: my wrong definition of identity
2017-12-11T20:54:55Z wasamasa: oh, I thought the interviewee couldn't fix something
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2017-12-11T20:55:41Z pjb: What was the question?
2017-12-11T20:56:05Z jcowan: Here are my interview notes:  "Barely understood big-O notation.  Had to be coached through the recursive solution [to the Fibonacci function] as well as the analysis that shows it is explonential.  Couldn't get the faster solutions at all.  Long, long, long pauses after my questions, even when I asked him (repeatedly) to tell me what he was thinking.  REJECT."
2017-12-11T20:57:04Z gwatt: damn
2017-12-11T20:57:54Z wasamasa goes implementing fibonacci in something else than scheme
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2017-12-11T20:58:09Z jcowan: I'm beginning to think I should fall back from fibo to fizzbuzz first
2017-12-11T20:58:50Z jcowan: There are basically four solutions:  recursive, cached-recursive, linear, and constant-time (given fixed-width integers)
2017-12-11T20:59:17Z gwatt: I thought the constant time impl required floating point?
2017-12-11T20:59:27Z jcowan: Yes, there's the closed solution too
2017-12-11T20:59:50Z jcowan: nobody ever gets that
2017-12-11T21:01:21Z jcowan: I ask people to write one (so I can be sure they can code) and to discuss O(n) and then O(1) solutions.
2017-12-11T21:01:23Z gwatt: b/c it involves memorizing a wacky sqrt of an expression containing phi and the exponent
2017-12-11T21:01:39Z jcowan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number#Closed-form_expression
2017-12-11T21:02:37Z gwatt: at least where I work algorithm analysis doesn't really come up.
2017-12-11T21:02:56Z gwatt: maybe it should more often, but it doesn't
2017-12-11T21:03:03Z wasamasa: it's still useful to be aware of common gotchas that can make your code unbearably slow
2017-12-11T21:03:39Z gwatt: I think we deal with such small in memory datasets as to not matter
2017-12-11T21:03:52Z wasamasa: the sneakiest one being an unintentional inner loop that turns it from n to n^2
2017-12-11T21:04:03Z gwatt: all of the heavy lifting is pushed into pre-populated elasticsearch indices
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2017-12-11T21:04:37Z gwatt: so I've definitely seen a few of those, but again, we're dealing with maybe 10-15 items
2017-12-11T21:04:42Z jcowan: Note that Chicken's implementation of implicit renaming is algorithmically nasty
2017-12-11T21:05:05Z jcowan: gwatt: And yet you know what I'm talking about.
2017-12-11T21:05:13Z gwatt: fair enough
2017-12-11T21:08:54Z jcowan: The best hires are those who can work out answers from first principles, which is why I always define "Fibonacci" and "big-oh".
2017-12-11T21:11:50Z aeth: If I had to code Fibonacci and the cheating answer was allowed I'd be mad for not memorizing it.
2017-12-11T21:12:04Z aeth: Because real world Fibonacci probably uses the ugly formula
2017-12-11T21:12:40Z aeth: s/mad/mad at myself/
2017-12-11T21:15:40Z jcowan: If you could produce the closed-form answer correctly in a programming language I'd try to have you hired on the spot
2017-12-11T21:16:22Z aeth: Hard mode interview would be to follow up with: "Now prove it."
2017-12-11T21:16:58Z jcowan: Naah
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2017-12-11T21:42:52Z ecraven: hm.. I'd probably write a memoized function with an accumulator argument, how bad is that?
2017-12-11T21:44:08Z ecraven: wait, there's no need for memoization with an accumulator argument, it'd just be linear
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2017-12-11T22:02:13Z ecraven: jcowan: yea, that's what I realized. just write a tail recursive function that only keeps the last two values
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2017-12-11T22:02:26Z jcowan nods.
2017-12-11T22:02:30Z jonaslund: ecraven: looking at your benchmarks, have you considered any benchmarks that measures GC latency ?
2017-12-11T22:02:34Z ecraven: that closed-form formula isn't so bad either ;)
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2017-12-11T22:02:57Z ecraven: jonaslund: I've wanted to at least add general memory consumption measurements, but haven't had time to work on it lately :-/
2017-12-11T22:03:21Z ecraven: also I want to get rid of the "times faster than" and replace it with a better chart (a few people emailed me with great ideas on how to do that)
2017-12-11T22:03:24Z jcowan: Nope.  But the O(1) for time solution with fixed-size integers is pretty nice too.
2017-12-11T22:03:55Z ecraven: jonaslund: if you have ideas on how to measure GC latency, feel free to tell me, I'll add it ;)
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2017-12-11T22:06:15Z gwatt: that seems like it would require specific code for each scheme
2017-12-11T22:06:22Z ecraven: jcowan: which programming languages are you hiring for?
2017-12-11T22:06:30Z ecraven: gwatt: lots of things already do, that would be ok
2017-12-11T22:06:32Z jonaslund: ecraven: well it depends on what you want to measure, speeds with majority young deaths, big heaps or really punishing the gc's with wildly warying lifespans
2017-12-11T22:06:38Z gwatt: ecraven: ok then
2017-12-11T22:07:07Z ecraven: gwatt: I already have code-per-scheme for some things, until everybody implements the majority of r7rs-large, that's probably the only way to get non-trivial portable programs
2017-12-11T22:07:21Z jonaslund: (wildly warying lifespans can punish generational GC's since they're often optimized for one of the first 2 cases)
2017-12-11T22:09:49Z ecraven: jonaslund: do most Schemes even provide a way to get that kind of data?
2017-12-11T22:11:13Z gwatt: You can with chez.
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2017-12-11T22:11:55Z ecraven: yea, but it won't help much if not at least some part of the implementations provide that sort of data :-/ but I'll keep it in mind, feel free to ping me with ideas any time ;)
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2017-12-11T22:12:49Z jonaslund: ecraven: i'm thinking about allocation lifespans, young and mature objects (cells, vectors, strings) are easy as you just stow away a ton of linked objects of selected size to simulate mature data and run some other code that generates objects that will die young
2017-12-11T22:13:29Z ecraven: jonaslund: but how do you measure GC time and memory vs. general system time and memory?
2017-12-11T22:13:48Z jonaslund: the benchmark would have to generate a semi--deterministic amount of allocations (impls putting call frames into the heap would obviously be punished)
2017-12-11T22:13:52Z jonaslund: i'd ignore memory usage
2017-12-11T22:14:02Z jonaslund: (For a latency benchmark)
2017-12-11T22:14:36Z jonaslund: and keep track of latency data between runs of the main loop
2017-12-11T22:16:21Z jonaslund: if the OS can keep track of maximum heap usage that could be useful as an output also but if the impl runs away with memory usage it'd probably produce high latencies sooner or later
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2017-12-12T14:03:20Z e298a5: Hi all, I'm new to Scheme and I have a perhaps silly question. I'm trying to construct a function that's roughly "(lambda (x) (if (= x c) n))". The difficulty is that 'n' is a function that is known at a point later than 'c'.
2017-12-12T14:03:44Z e298a5: Is there a simple way of delaying when 'n' is bound into the function?
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2017-12-12T14:04:35Z X-Scale: e298a5: have you chacked delay/force ?
2017-12-12T14:05:30Z pjb: e298a5: pass it as argument.
2017-12-12T14:05:36Z pjb: And what is c?
2017-12-12T14:05:36Z e298a5: I have, they /seem/ to be what I'm looking for, however I have not understood how to use them for this case.
2017-12-12T14:06:15Z pjb: ((lambda (x c n) (if (= x c) (n))) 1 1 (lambda () (display 'hi)))
2017-12-12T14:06:25Z e298a5: 'c' is effectively a constant. For example it may be a character.
2017-12-12T14:06:58Z pjb: ok ((lambda (x n) (if (= x 1) (n))) 1 (lambda () (display 'hi))) then.
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2017-12-12T14:12:40Z e298a5: Unfortunately I don't think that construct will do what I'm hoping. It's for a pet parser/regex implementation I tend to toy around with when learning new languages. That function is created when parsing the input. In Lua I ended up using tables holding functions.
2017-12-12T14:12:40Z e298a5: So in Lua I would construct { c=var, n=next-function, op=function }, then I modify the table as I'm going along.
2017-12-12T14:12:52Z e298a5: If I can create the functions as I go along (they're all roughly as simple as the one I posted above) I can avoid having a lot of variables laying all over the place. :)
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2017-12-12T14:16:01Z pjb: Yes, you can put functions in tables.
2017-12-12T14:18:58Z e298a5: Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear about what I meant with the Lua example, I was hoping I could avoid putting the functions in the tables. Although it is the neatest solution I have found. Thanks, I suppose I'll go with that. :)
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2017-12-12T14:23:39Z pjb: The thing with functions in table, is that obviously the function that will  use that table doesn't need to know the functions in the table by name; the table can be filled after you define the function using the table.  Those functions in the table can be generated dynamically.
2017-12-12T14:30:48Z e298a5: That's partly why I ended up doing so in Lua. I does however require modifying the table. Is it possible to have the function hold the name of a variable and only bind that name later?
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2017-12-12T14:36:48Z e298a5: Partly why I was wondering about doing it this way is because once all of these function have been constructed they don't get modified again and apart from one variable being passed in that needn't be modified either there's no moving parts. So having the functions defined specific to their purpose seemed attractive. I'll toy around some more.
2017-12-12T14:43:19Z e298a5: The thing is that if I reversed the string to be parsed I could do this without any difficulties as the function that needs to be bound to will already have been constructed.
2017-12-12T14:43:52Z e298a5: I find that doing it this way around tends to teach me more about the language I'm learning however.
2017-12-12T14:45:30Z e298a5: But thanks for the suggestions, I think I should think about this a bit more. :)
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2017-12-12T18:59:52Z ecraven: jcowan_: ;) I was hoping for *some* Lisp ;)
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2017-12-12T19:01:29Z jcowan_: ecraven: Sorry, I've only ever had one Lisp-involved job in my 59 years, and it was quite peripheral
2017-12-12T19:01:47Z jcowan_: The thing is, though, if you can do Scheme you can do any language.
2017-12-12T19:03:12Z ecraven: jcowan_: yes, but I enjoy Scheme much more than any language, even if I can do many
2017-12-12T19:03:49Z jcowan_ tooo
2017-12-12T19:03:54Z ecraven: I've done scheme web freelancing and even made some money on it, so it isn't impossible, if the client cares about results, not implementation details
2017-12-12T19:04:04Z jcowan_: If.
2017-12-12T19:04:24Z jcowan_: But anyway, this is not freelancing, it's a startup, and we need some continuity.
2017-12-12T19:04:27Z ecraven: from my limited experience, non-technical clients care more about the bottom line in price and the results than the exact hosting requirements
2017-12-12T19:04:47Z ecraven: of course, I'm based in the EU and not unhappy with my current job, I was just interested what kind of stuff you are working on ;)
2017-12-12T19:09:21Z ecraven: recently, I've been thinking I'd like a small APL job, just to actually learn APL better. not sure why it fascinates me more than most other languages over the last year or so
2017-12-12T19:11:25Z C-Keen: wasamasa: have you tried binwalker on the file yet?
2017-12-12T19:11:31Z C-Keen: sorry wrong channel
2017-12-12T19:11:34Z wasamasa: lol
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2017-12-12T22:13:33Z teurastaja: hey. in this record structure, i use 'gates, 'weights, 'errors as lists to contain basically every other tag in the record definition. i want them to be pointers to each other. apparently i cant set them individually and get the same result in the aggregated list...: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
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2017-12-12T22:17:20Z teurastaja: to recap, the 3 lists contain every other record in the structure and i cant make them point to the same thing to use them interchangably
2017-12-12T22:17:41Z teurastaja: the purpose is to map over them
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2017-12-12T22:20:12Z teurastaja: if theres anyone advanced enough to abstract the fact that its a long short term memory neural network architecture. i just care about being able to map over the elements of the structure
2017-12-12T22:21:00Z teurastaja: at least i broke the code into different files
2017-12-12T22:21:23Z teurastaja: so theres only the record structure to analyze
2017-12-12T22:21:38Z teurastaja: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss
2017-12-12T22:23:58Z teurastaja: the code should be neat enough to understand
2017-12-12T22:24:16Z teurastaja: although im not done optimizing
2017-12-12T22:24:38Z gwatt: teurastaja: I'm not sure I understand. Are you wanting to have gates, weights, and errors each be the same list?
2017-12-12T22:24:50Z teurastaja: nope
2017-12-12T22:25:02Z teurastaja: the partition the record structure in 3
2017-12-12T22:25:06Z teurastaja: *they
2017-12-12T22:25:21Z teurastaja: so i can map over them separately
2017-12-12T22:25:36Z gwatt: Oh i see further down
2017-12-12T22:25:47Z teurastaja: you see?
2017-12-12T22:26:34Z gwatt: I see that you have defined {gate,weight,errors}-[gs]etters
2017-12-12T22:27:21Z teurastaja: yup
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2017-12-12T22:28:14Z teurastaja: and im trying to make 'gates, 'weights and 'errors placeholders for the rest
2017-12-12T22:28:23Z teurastaja: what is wrong in my code?
2017-12-12T22:29:01Z teurastaja: im setting every other variable as pointers to the elements of 'gates, 'weights and 'errors
2017-12-12T22:29:38Z teurastaja: but when i set anything, the other doesnt see it
2017-12-12T22:31:01Z teurastaja: if i set an element from a list, that element doesn't see a change and vice-versa
2017-12-12T22:33:34Z teurastaja: are you still on this?
2017-12-12T22:34:06Z gwatt: so you want to call (set-gates! ...) and have it update each field as specified by gate-getters?
2017-12-12T22:34:19Z gwatt: am I fllowing?
2017-12-12T22:34:22Z gwatt: following*
2017-12-12T22:34:55Z teurastaja: set-gates! would update the whole list
2017-12-12T22:35:14Z teurastaja: set-gates! should be a pointer to a list
2017-12-12T22:35:46Z gwatt: but if you call (set-gates! ...) you want that to be reflected by a later call to e.g., Bt_h ?
2017-12-12T22:35:52Z teurastaja: and each element should be a pointer to the elements of that list
2017-12-12T22:36:13Z teurastaja: yes
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2017-12-12T22:36:35Z gwatt: what about not making the weights / gates / errors part of the structure?
2017-12-12T22:37:04Z teurastaja: is that the problem?
2017-12-12T22:37:21Z gwatt: I think it will be easier to do what you want
2017-12-12T22:37:42Z teurastaja: changes are not reflected
2017-12-12T22:37:50Z teurastaja: how would you do it?
2017-12-12T22:38:03Z gwatt: let me write some example code
2017-12-12T22:38:12Z gwatt: give me a minute or two
2017-12-12T22:38:26Z teurastaja: thank you. youre a god to be able to debug me seriously
2017-12-12T22:38:38Z teurastaja: my teachers dont want to debug me anymore
2017-12-12T22:39:50Z teurastaja: and if youre on facebook, im looking for friends that understand what i do and who can share knowledge. rare nowadays
2017-12-12T22:39:58Z gwatt: not on facebook
2017-12-12T22:40:07Z teurastaja: why?
2017-12-12T22:40:15Z gwatt: just didn't find it that useful
2017-12-12T22:41:00Z teurastaja: dude there are hacker groups on facebook, just like twitter
2017-12-12T22:41:49Z teurastaja: except i cant find a scheme group
2017-12-12T22:44:10Z gwatt: here's the example: http://termbin.com/qk5q
2017-12-12T22:44:11Z teurastaja: did you run the code?
2017-12-12T22:44:19Z gwatt: no, I don't have an r7rs scheme
2017-12-12T22:44:32Z teurastaja: lol
2017-12-12T22:44:37Z gwatt: but that's the example
2017-12-12T22:45:03Z teurastaja: yeah r7rs sucks compared to r5rs. way better than r6rs though
2017-12-12T22:45:16Z gwatt: basically, isntead of making gates/weights/errors part of the record, they're wrappers around the fields getters and setters
2017-12-12T22:45:18Z gwatt: idk
2017-12-12T22:45:31Z gwatt: I think there are some nicer things about r6rs
2017-12-12T22:47:55Z teurastaja: im reading
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2017-12-12T22:49:54Z teurastaja: hmmm ill make 'some-value a function applied inside the lambda of the for-each but yeah i think itll do it thanks :P
2017-12-12T22:50:48Z gwatt: sure, I didn't know what all that would change so I just made it a value
2017-12-12T22:52:14Z gwatt: might actually be better to make it a list. that way you can make it a third argument to the for-each and set each field to its own value
2017-12-12T22:54:08Z teurastaja: make it a list?
2017-12-12T22:55:15Z gwatt: (define (set-gates! lstm values) (for-each (lambda (setter! value) (setter! lstm value)) gate-setters values)
2017-12-12T22:55:57Z gwatt: )
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2017-12-12T23:00:38Z teurastaja: yeah thats a cool way but i dont want to set each value individually that much. its either a random value or a fixed value so the function will do it simpler
2017-12-12T23:00:53Z gwatt: ok
2017-12-12T23:02:45Z teurastaja: thanks ill test it probably within the next hour. been doing this all day so must eat
2017-12-12T23:02:57Z gwatt: enjoy
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2017-12-12T23:04:24Z teurastaja: thanks
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2017-12-13T07:25:15Z ecraven: eh, should have been #emacs, sorry
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2017-12-13T17:37:05Z teurastaja: gwatt atr you there?
2017-12-13T17:38:20Z teurastaja: remember this: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM/blob/master/initialization.ss   ?
2017-12-13T17:38:25Z teurastaja: from yesterday
2017-12-13T17:39:30Z teurastaja: was thinking of initializing 2 LSTM structures, one as the placeholder and the other pointing at them so i can define mappable lists of those record types externally
2017-12-13T17:39:40Z teurastaja: sounds like it would work?
2017-12-13T17:43:54Z gwatt: so you would have structures with different weights / gates as you needed?
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2017-12-13T17:50:48Z teurastaja: well, 2 LSTM structures, one for emulating pointers and then other for placeholders. am i thinking wrong or would this work? the mappable lists would also be pointers to the placeholders while the second LSTM would point everything to the corresponding element in the first LSTM
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2017-12-13T17:54:37Z gwatt: maybe? I've not worked with NNs, and so I have a hazy idea of what you want to accomplish.
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2017-12-13T18:31:40Z teurastaja: well, i need both the lists of elements and the separate elements of the LSTM to refer to the same thing
2017-12-13T18:34:30Z teurastaja: so am i right by thinking the pointers in terms of a structure of pointers to a structure of the same type with its elements used as containers and 3 lists of pointers that refer to the same elements in the "container structure"??
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2017-12-13T18:36:00Z gwatt: scheme doesn't really have pointers.
2017-12-13T18:36:01Z teurastaja: i really want to make it accessible by reference on both access and setting methods without having to define the setters and getters globally
2017-12-13T18:36:41Z teurastaja: i know but pointers are emulated by setting record fields or vector elements or list elements
2017-12-13T18:37:21Z teurastaja: i want the structure mess in one library and not worry about it in others
2017-12-13T18:37:38Z gwatt: sort of.
2017-12-13T18:38:12Z gwatt: assuming that multiple things have a handle to the sae record/vector/list calling the appropriate set! will update it for everything that has that handle
2017-12-13T18:39:15Z gwatt: but updating one structure and having that affect a different structure is awkward
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2017-12-13T18:40:03Z gwatt: You could wrap the elements in lists/vectors/records/boxes/whatever but that's a messy thing to do
2017-12-13T18:40:05Z ecraven: gwatt: why? look at the logic gate example in SICP
2017-12-13T18:40:18Z teurastaja: so will instantiating 2 LSTM records, one mapping all its fields to the other one's fields, then defining 3 lists and setting its elements to the "pointed-to" LSTM record instance work?
2017-12-13T18:41:41Z gwatt: ecraven: I haven't really looked at that
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2017-12-13T18:43:44Z teurastaja: ANNs dont need "explicit" pointers. they need state but i just need to apply stuff to 3 different categories of elements
2017-12-13T18:44:11Z teurastaja: so im making a pointed structure if its permitted in scheme
2017-12-13T18:44:45Z teurastaja: im just asking if you think it would work before rewriting (again) the initialization library
2017-12-13T18:46:24Z teurastaja: i could do it element by element without such mappable types, but i need a record with 3 categories of elements that i can map over
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2017-12-13T18:47:00Z teurastaja: it would greatly simplify the core algorithm, instead of setting 40ish fields
2017-12-13T18:47:24Z ecraven: teurastaja: maybe start with the operations you want, write them down, then implement things top-down
2017-12-13T18:47:31Z teurastaja: because ill have to make it 4 categories to hold temporary update values
2017-12-13T18:47:46Z teurastaja: i wrote all operations
2017-12-13T18:48:10Z teurastaja: i just need to not call each field for each operation
2017-12-13T18:48:32Z teurastaja: ill have 4 categories of fields in the record and i want to be able to map over them
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2017-12-13T18:50:59Z teurastaja: say i want to add an additional matrix to my list of matrix of errors before i calculate them
2017-12-13T18:51:21Z teurastaja: with pointers id just refer to them whenever i want
2017-12-13T18:51:38Z teurastaja: so, is what i described the right way to do what i want?
2017-12-13T18:53:39Z teurastaja: quotingm myself: "so will instantiating 2 LSTM records, one mapping all its fields to the other one's fields, then defining 3 lists and setting its elements to the "pointed-to" LSTM record instance work?"
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2017-12-13T19:13:38Z ecraven: I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are talking about at all
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2017-12-13T20:01:13Z ecraven: I'm guessing (string-ref "äëïöü" 0) should #\ä?
2017-12-13T20:01:40Z Riastradh: Depends on what notion of `string' you're talking about.
2017-12-13T20:01:48Z wasamasa: works in kawa
2017-12-13T20:01:58Z Riastradh: Arbitrary octet sequence?  UTF-8 octet sequence?  Unicode code point sequence?
2017-12-13T20:02:03Z Riastradh: UTF-16LE code unit sequence?
2017-12-13T20:04:20Z ecraven: Riastradh: just asking because mit seems to return #\� which is not what I was hoping for
2017-12-13T20:04:42Z ecraven: that's only the first octet of the utf-8 octet sequence
2017-12-13T20:04:51Z ecraven: so is that just plain wrong, or actually not specified to return #\ä
2017-12-13T20:05:07Z wasamasa: also works in gauche, sagittarius, fails in chibi, foment, cyclone and CHICKEN
2017-12-13T20:05:48Z wasamasa: this kind of surprises me because I recall a note about utf-8 handling in r7rs
2017-12-13T20:05:51Z ecraven: it doesn't have to print literal #\ä, but it should somehow extract the entire first unicode codepoint, not just the first octet
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2017-12-13T20:11:27Z jcowan__: ecraven: IMAO in 2017 any Scheme implementation that doesn't do so is buggybroken, though you may need to load a library to get proper Unicode semantics.
2017-12-13T20:12:06Z nalkri: A?
2017-12-13T20:12:26Z nalkri: Oh, arrogant?
2017-12-13T20:12:35Z jcowan__: should definitely work in chibi (checking that now); in Chicken you will need to install the utf8 egg.
2017-12-13T20:13:56Z wasamasa: it doesn't even work with the utf8 egg
2017-12-13T20:14:02Z wasamasa: makes me wonder just what exactly it's good for
2017-12-13T20:19:02Z qu1j0t3: nalkri: Apinionated
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2017-12-13T20:19:06Z ecraven: so chibi gives me (string-ref "äü" 0)  ->  #\xe4
2017-12-13T20:19:17Z qu1j0t3: nalkri: (srsly though i don't know what the A means either :)
2017-12-13T20:19:23Z ecraven: which seems correct?
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2017-12-13T20:19:36Z jcowan__: Heh.  Bad Things happen if you try to build software in the same director under Cygwin and Linux at the same time.
2017-12-13T20:19:36Z wasamasa: oh, hm
2017-12-13T20:19:42Z wasamasa: I went by printing ä or not
2017-12-13T20:19:51Z ecraven: yea, it's the right codepoint, just shown not so nicely ;)
2017-12-13T20:20:22Z wasamasa: you should use something like 💩
2017-12-13T20:20:40Z ecraven: chez does the right thing, and even prints #\ä
2017-12-13T20:20:50Z wasamasa: that makes it much more obvious
2017-12-13T20:20:55Z ecraven: wasamasa: indeed ;)
2017-12-13T20:21:05Z wasamasa: it proves that CHICKEN does do it after all
2017-12-13T20:21:32Z wasamasa: foment and cyclone still fail
2017-12-13T20:21:56Z ecraven: hm.. you don't even need full unicode support for that, just a utf-8 parser.. no need for all the tables
2017-12-13T20:22:01Z jcowan__: wrapping it in (display ...) should produce the right effects
2017-12-13T20:22:13Z jcowan__: It is undefined if the Scheme REPL uses write or display semantics
2017-12-13T20:22:23Z ecraven: jcowan__: yea, but if you deal with other languages often, there's a large difference in convenience
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2017-12-13T20:23:03Z wasamasa: jcowan__: I'm kind of peeved kawa went for display
2017-12-13T20:23:20Z jcowan__: chibi doesn't know if the output device can do more than ASCII
2017-12-13T20:23:34Z ecraven: I should be able to tell it
2017-12-13T20:26:07Z jcowan__: If run under the Chibi advanced repl "chibi-scheme -mchibi.repl -e'(repl)' you get the output you want.
2017-12-13T20:26:22Z ecraven: ah, thanks, didn't know about that
2017-12-13T20:26:46Z ecraven: nice ;)
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2017-12-13T20:28:57Z jcowan__: you also get basic Emacs-style line editing there
2017-12-13T20:30:32Z gwatt: does that include multi-line expression editing?
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2017-12-13T20:55:38Z ecraven: wow, generating xlsx is just about as much fun as you might think it is
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2017-12-13T21:02:49Z jcowan__: gwatt: Then you are perfectly right.
2017-12-13T21:03:02Z gwatt: what a surprise!
2017-12-13T21:03:07Z jcowan__: Not being an Emacs user, I don't actually know.
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2017-12-13T21:10:04Z aeth: What do you use?
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2017-12-13T21:14:19Z jcowan: aeth: "ex"
2017-12-13T21:14:30Z jcowan: with occasional drops into vi-mode to bounce on the % key
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2017-12-13T21:16:53Z aeth: ah, ed++, essentially?
2017-12-13T21:18:38Z jcowan: Yes.
2017-12-13T21:19:09Z jcowan: I have a plan to develop a replacement called exx, "ex extended".  It will need to provide a command for paren-matching, though
2017-12-13T21:19:51Z Riastradh: ecraven: I think it's probably broken.  Chris made a lot of changes here in the past few months and I wouldn't be surprised if he broke non-US-ASCII string literals or something.
2017-12-13T21:20:01Z aeth: It would be nice to see an s-expression-oriented editor instead of a line-oriented one
2017-12-13T21:21:57Z jcowan: For myself I want to have only one text editor for all purposes (though I'm willing to keep a separate word processor)
2017-12-13T21:24:06Z Riastradh: Hm.  I think the terminal interrupt mechanism is broken too.
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2017-12-13T21:25:53Z gwatt: aeth: that's hwo the chez repl works
2017-12-13T21:26:02Z gwatt: how*
2017-12-13T21:29:31Z Riastradh: ecraven: (port/set-coding (current-input-port) 'utf-8) makes it behave more as one might hope.
2017-12-13T21:34:18Z Riastradh: @!#&@!&* symbols as poor-man's enums.
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2017-12-13T21:36:06Z gwatt: Riastradh: https://www.scheme.com/tspl4/objects.html#./objects:s290
2017-12-13T21:36:10Z jcowan: real enums coming in the Orange Edition, I hope
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2017-12-13T23:14:50Z ecraven: one of the less nice formats I've met so far, even given that most xml formats aren't very nice
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2017-12-15T14:41:33Z gwatt: ecraven: like this: http://termbin.com/2fu2 ?
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2017-12-15T14:50:21Z gwatt: ecraven: and done in syntax-rules: http://termbin.com/enhy
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2017-12-15T15:03:14Z jcowan: Does anyone know a good reason why no Scheme compiler provides compiler macros a la CL?  They seem a very straightforward way for the programmer to optimize direct calls
2017-12-15T15:03:23Z ecraven: like that: http://ix.io/D5G
2017-12-15T15:03:44Z ecraven: jcowan: interesting question..
2017-12-15T15:04:10Z ecraven: I was wondering whether it would be possible to have compose be a macro *and* a function, so if it is in call position, it is the macro, but if it is passed to map or whatever, it's the function
2017-12-15T15:04:27Z ecraven: (well, I know it's not possible in normal Scheme, but what would be needed to support that kind of behaviour...)
2017-12-15T15:04:35Z ecraven: same for `or' and `and'
2017-12-15T15:04:51Z gwatt: r6rs has identifier syntax, which allows what you want
2017-12-15T15:04:57Z jcowan: see http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_define.htm for how it looks
2017-12-15T15:05:48Z jcowan: gwatt: Not really, because you don't want a compiler macro invoked in operand position, and identifier syntax has no access to the context of use..
2017-12-15T15:05:54Z ecraven: gwatt: so the non-call macro would expand into a function?
2017-12-15T15:06:43Z ecraven: jcowan: maybe this seems a bit like a clutch, if the compiler isn't good enough, you have to help it, so it's better to improve the compiler :D
2017-12-15T15:07:44Z gwatt: jcowan: my identifer syntax answer was in response to ecraven's question
2017-12-15T15:08:03Z wasamasa: jcowan: CHICKEN has compiler macros
2017-12-15T15:08:12Z jcowan: ooh, shiny
2017-12-15T15:08:26Z wasamasa: the manual discourages their use though
2017-12-15T15:08:51Z ecraven: gwatt: but isn't identifier syntax also expanded in operator position?
2017-12-15T15:10:10Z gwatt: ecraven: iirc you can detect either case and handle as needed
2017-12-15T15:10:25Z ecraven: that would allow this ;) nice
2017-12-15T15:10:26Z ecraven: thanks
2017-12-15T15:10:52Z gwatt: https://www.scheme.com/tspl4/syntax.html#./syntax:s42
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2017-12-15T15:16:14Z jcowan: gwatt: That's not R6RS, though:  http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-14.html#node_sec_11.19 (at the end of the section)
2017-12-15T15:16:36Z ecraven: ok, that looks like for (compose a b) the transformer procedure would be called with a list, whereas with (map compose a b c) it would only be called with the variable, I think?
2017-12-15T15:16:50Z ecraven: jcowan: still, it's precedent on how this might be handled
2017-12-15T15:17:55Z ecraven: I don't think there's any reason *not* to have (compose f g) directly macro-expanded into (lambda x (f (apply g x))), is there? there must be many such functions, which - if they could choose to be macro *and* function - would benefit
2017-12-15T15:18:45Z jcowan: Nope, it says "When a keyword is bound to a transformer produced by the first form of identifier-syntax, references to the keyword within the scope of the binding are replaced by <template>", and that means all references.
2017-12-15T15:19:22Z jcowan: The whole point of identifier-syntax is to allow (fake) class-level lexical variables in Schemes with classes; (car foo) is rewritten as (car (get-foo self)) or whatever.
2017-12-15T15:19:30Z gwatt: jcowan: http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs-lib/r6rs-lib-Z-H-13.html#node_sec_12.3
2017-12-15T15:20:09Z jcowan: Ho, okay, I missed this completely!
2017-12-15T15:20:10Z ecraven: jcowan: couldn't that be done with a non-hygienic surrounding form that injects the field names? like iirc `with-slots' in CL?
2017-12-15T15:20:35Z gwatt: jcowan: i think you gave me a link into the actual language specification whereas that was in the standard library spec
2017-12-15T15:20:47Z jcowan: yes
2017-12-15T15:21:02Z jcowan: I have basically never read the syntax-case chapter of R6RS seriously
2017-12-15T15:21:53Z gwatt: though playing around... you don't even need the make-variable-transformer function to detect usage as a variable.
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2017-12-15T15:22:22Z gwatt: you can just put a pattern in your syntax-case like: [e (identifier? #'e) ...]
2017-12-15T15:23:59Z jcowan: That only works if you are calling a macro: it will not work for the (car foo) case, since car is not a macro.
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2017-12-15T15:28:07Z gwatt: but if foo were tha macro, it would expand
2017-12-15T15:28:51Z ecraven: gwatt: but the idea is, (compose f g) should be the macro, (map compose f g) should expand to the function
2017-12-15T15:28:59Z gwatt: yes
2017-12-15T15:29:03Z gwatt: and it would
2017-12-15T15:32:43Z jcowan: Well, provided an identifier can be both a variable and a syntax keyword, which of course currently it cannot
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2017-12-15T15:44:41Z gwatt: jcowan: http://termbin.com/3oxx
2017-12-15T15:44:51Z gwatt: also ecraven ^^
2017-12-15T15:45:26Z ecraven: gwatt: is that r6rs? or chez specific?
2017-12-15T15:45:31Z gwatt: should be r6rs
2017-12-15T15:46:21Z gwatt: seems to work with guile
2017-12-15T15:46:45Z ecraven: nice ;)
2017-12-15T15:47:04Z ecraven: I should probably really learn syntax-case one of these days
2017-12-15T15:47:24Z gwatt: jsut in time for it to not be r7rs ;-p
2017-12-15T15:47:41Z ecraven: that's ok, I don't think I like it much, but that's no reason not to learn it better
2017-12-15T15:48:50Z gwatt: syntax-rules is almost as capable, and usually shorter.
2017-12-15T15:48:53Z jcowan: I expect there will be either grave trouble or absolute silence on the subject when it comes up for the Yellow Edition
2017-12-15T15:49:04Z jcowan: especially syntax-rules + syntax-parameters
2017-12-15T15:49:23Z ecraven: I love syntax-rules, because simple things are simple
2017-12-15T15:49:41Z ecraven: of course something standardised for non-hygienic macros would be great to have too
2017-12-15T15:50:17Z gwatt: the reason I like syntax-case is that it allows extra processing options without breaking hygiene.
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2017-12-15T15:50:38Z jcowan: gwatt: Have you looked at syntax-parameters yet?
2017-12-15T15:50:45Z gwatt: jcowan: i have not
2017-12-15T15:51:13Z gwatt: do you have a link to the proposal?
2017-12-15T15:51:14Z jcowan: they are available in Guile and Racket currently
2017-12-15T15:51:26Z jcowan: https://www.barzilay.org/misc/stxparam.pdf is a good paper on them
2017-12-15T15:51:49Z jcowan: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Syntax-Transformer-Helpers.html
2017-12-15T15:51:59Z jcowan: https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/stxparam.html
2017-12-15T15:52:21Z jcowan: there is a feature request to add them to Chibi, but Alex doesn't seem in any hurry to do so
2017-12-15T15:53:04Z jcowan: https://marcomaggi.github.io/docs/vicare-scheme.html/iklib-expander-parameters.html
2017-12-15T15:53:59Z gwatt: Interesting
2017-12-15T15:55:50Z jcowan: iwbni Chicken had them some day
2017-12-15T15:56:21Z gwatt: iwbni?
2017-12-15T15:56:28Z jcowan: it would be nice if
2017-12-15T15:56:33Z gwatt: ah
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2017-12-15T16:00:17Z ecraven: hehe, just read the description of syntax parameters in racket, and didn't understand at all what they are meant to do. then I read the introductory paragraph of the guile documentation, that explains it well
2017-12-15T16:00:32Z ecraven: racket documentation isn't so good at giving the rationale or high-level overview, I've noticed
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2017-12-15T16:01:22Z ecraven: jcowan: is there a lot of controversy here? from a first glance, they don't appear so bad
2017-12-15T16:01:30Z jcowan nods
2017-12-15T16:01:57Z jcowan: That's why I linked to the Barzilay paper, which gives the rationale.  That's typical of Racket: the rationale is in a paper.
2017-12-15T16:03:07Z ecraven: hm.. somehow, introducing `it' as a global binding just to use it in aif doesn't seem ideal, though, iiuc
2017-12-15T16:04:40Z jcowan thinks aif is stupid anyway
2017-12-15T16:06:09Z jcowan: in Kotlin, 'it' is the default variable name for a single-variable lambda, and in K, 'x, y, z' are default names for the first three arguments
2017-12-15T16:06:26Z jcowan: (if a body refers to z, it is a three-argument function, and so on)
2017-12-15T16:06:48Z gwatt: in scala `_' is the magical be anything anywhere identifier
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2017-12-15T16:08:18Z jcowan: Indeed
2017-12-15T16:08:42Z jcowan: Right now $EMPLOYER is using Python, but there are rumors of Scala down the road.  I am going to push for Kotlin instead.
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2017-12-15T16:10:00Z gwatt: not going to push for scheme?
2017-12-15T16:10:28Z gwatt: though if you want the jvm you could push for clojure
2017-12-15T16:12:53Z wasamasa: then there's kawa
2017-12-15T16:14:03Z wasamasa: it could teach clojure a few tricks, like how to generate java classes the painless way
2017-12-15T16:14:50Z wasamasa: I particularly like that you can just pass a lambda if it's a SAM
2017-12-15T16:15:13Z gwatt: sam = surface-to-air-missile?
2017-12-15T16:15:21Z wasamasa: single abstract method
2017-12-15T16:15:48Z wasamasa: it's where you implement an abstract class with exactly one method, like an event handler
2017-12-15T16:16:16Z gwatt: ah, yeah. I think java 8 added that functionality
2017-12-15T16:16:18Z wasamasa: this particularly annoying java idiosyncracy just maps to a lambda in kawa
2017-12-15T16:16:21Z gwatt: (for java, i mean)
2017-12-15T16:16:41Z wasamasa: meanwhile in clojure you typically write a java file with a nicer API
2017-12-15T16:17:37Z gwatt: I've never really used kawa
2017-12-15T16:17:42Z gwatt: (or clojure for that matter)
2017-12-15T16:17:44Z jcowan: Java and Scala have the best interfaces to Big Data libraries that $EMPLOYER will be using.  (Python is adequate for now).
2017-12-15T16:17:59Z jcowan: wasamasa: Kottlin does that too
2017-12-15T16:18:32Z jcowan: s/Kottlin/Kotlin/
2017-12-15T16:18:53Z jcowan: always get that wrong; the first syllable is pronounced like "cot" in English instead of like "coat" as it should be
2017-12-15T16:19:06Z wasamasa: sorry, but I'll never be able to take kotlin seriously
2017-12-15T16:19:15Z gwatt: why not?
2017-12-15T16:19:23Z wasamasa: its first syllable is spelled the same way as the german word for feces
2017-12-15T16:19:40Z gwatt: that's a pretty silly reason
2017-12-15T16:19:47Z wasamasa: would you use poolang?
2017-12-15T16:20:06Z qu1j0t3: why, i love poolang. how dare you
2017-12-15T16:20:07Z gwatt: If there was an actual reason to use it
2017-12-15T16:20:12Z jcowan: I had a coworker named Pooja, and it didn't bother me
2017-12-15T16:20:15Z qu1j0t3: gwatt: given scala, i don't see that there is.
2017-12-15T16:20:44Z gwatt: qu1j0t3: supposedly, kotlin vastly improves the lives of android devs
2017-12-15T16:20:46Z jcowan: Anyway, in American English the word is usually poop
2017-12-15T16:20:59Z jcowan: Indeed.
2017-12-15T16:22:00Z jcowan: Kotlin, like Scheme, is a mostly-pure functional programming language; unlike Scheme, it has OO with lots of nice sugar like delegation; no macros.
2017-12-15T16:22:31Z jcowan: As such, it liberates Java programmers without terrifying them, and (unlike Scala) it cleanly interops with Java
2017-12-15T16:22:44Z jcowan: whereas Scala's interop is annoying and painful
2017-12-15T16:23:02Z qu1j0t3: eh?
2017-12-15T16:23:05Z qu1j0t3: no, it's not.
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2017-12-15T16:23:15Z qu1j0t3 has used Scala for quite a while
2017-12-15T16:23:30Z gwatt: qu1j0t3: I assume jcowan meant using scala code form java, not the other way around
2017-12-15T16:23:35Z qu1j0t3: the interop is simple and almost zero effort.
2017-12-15T16:23:39Z qu1j0t3: oh.
2017-12-15T16:23:48Z qu1j0t3: i am talking about the other way around.
2017-12-15T16:23:59Z gwatt: using java code from any other jvm language is usually painless.
2017-12-15T16:24:03Z qu1j0t3: yeah.
2017-12-15T16:24:14Z jcowan: Yes, that's what I meant
2017-12-15T16:24:14Z gwatt: but using $jvmlang from the java side may not be.
2017-12-15T16:24:17Z qu1j0t3: except maybe Eta but that's a WIP.
2017-12-15T16:24:39Z jcowan: sometimes you need to add a decorator
2017-12-15T16:25:33Z jcowan: e.g. in a Kotlin function with default values, only the base method is exposed to Java, but with a decorator you can make it compile all possible overloaded Java methods
2017-12-15T16:25:50Z gwatt: interesting
2017-12-15T16:26:04Z jcowan: s/decorator/annotation/, of course
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2017-12-15T16:29:04Z jcowan: Also Kotlin fully supports JS as a target, and LLVM target is a WIP.  The standard library is supported for all three, though obvs not every random piece of Java.
2017-12-15T16:30:31Z wasamasa: as long as the generated JS doesn't balloon up to the size of webpack files
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2017-12-15T16:38:03Z cky: jcowan: My favourite Kotlin feature is "function literal with receiver".
2017-12-15T16:38:38Z cky: features in other languages.
2017-12-15T16:38:50Z jcowan nods
2017-12-15T16:39:02Z jcowan: Is it used a lot in practice?
2017-12-15T16:39:56Z cky: Well, apart from Any.apply and Any.also, it's also used with the buildIterator/buildSequence system to allow yield/yieldAll to be made available to your block.
2017-12-15T16:41:09Z cky: I see my system chopped off half my comment in my second comment. I was saying, "it allows reassigning this, without the ickiness associated with similar features in other languages".
2017-12-15T16:42:05Z cky: I'm in the middle of trying to champion Kotlin's use at work, so I have spent a fair bit of time trying to get up to speed with it.
2017-12-15T16:42:34Z jcowan: any hints on either of those goals would be grapely appreciated
2017-12-15T16:43:37Z cky: Well, it has very notable benefits for Java programming: 1. it interoperates with Java code very seamlessly. You won't feel the cross-language barrier the way you would with, e.g., JRuby. So you can mix-and-match Java and Kotlin code with no risk.
2017-12-15T16:43:56Z cky: 2. Type inference means you can use deeply nested generic types without all the verbosity it'd otherwise carry in Java.
2017-12-15T16:44:03Z cky: 3. Non-nullable types by default.
2017-12-15T16:44:25Z cky: 4. `Nothing` function return type to signify noreturn functions.
2017-12-15T16:45:21Z cky: 5. Inline functions, especially block inlining.
2017-12-15T16:45:40Z cky: (i.e., no function call overhead for blocks, plus allows non-local "exits" from blocks.
2017-12-15T16:46:24Z cky: 6. Destructuring support for both arguments and local variables, with support for custom destructuring via defining component1(), component2(), etc. operators.
2017-12-15T16:46:40Z cky: 7. Operator overloading.
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2017-12-15T16:47:18Z cky: 8. Functions and classes non-extensible by default; must explicitly opt-in to enable overriding. Also overrides must explicitly use `override` keyword.
2017-12-15T16:47:58Z cky: 9. Extension methods!!! Something that I really loved from C# and wished Java supported.
2017-12-15T16:49:10Z cky: 10. And as I said earlier, "functional literal with receiver" that allows "this" to be rebound in a non-hacky way.
2017-12-15T16:51:40Z cky: Related to points 9 and 10, the system provides lots of useful extension method out of the box to make the language very usable for functional-style programming. For example, all collections, including arrays and primitive arrays, support map, fold, etc.
2017-12-15T16:52:13Z cky: and those extension methods are inline, so they get expanded into actual loops at the JVM bytecode level.
2017-12-15T16:53:28Z jcowan: Extension methods are the mainstream's implicit confession that generic functions were The Right Thing all along
2017-12-15T16:53:53Z LeoNerd: :)
2017-12-15T16:54:38Z cky: Of course.
2017-12-15T16:54:48Z jcowan: yay smug Lisp weenies
2017-12-15T16:54:59Z cky: Still, extension methods aren't multi-dispatch.
2017-12-15T16:55:25Z cky: so you still have to resort to visitor pattern or the like to implement that.
2017-12-15T16:55:36Z jcowan: I remember reading a paper saying that what matters most of the time is not multi-dispatch, but the ability to dispatch on any one argument
2017-12-15T16:55:58Z cky: That's a fair point.
2017-12-15T16:56:44Z cky: I still wish Kotlin had protocols, a la Clojure (and copied by Elixir).
2017-12-15T16:57:40Z cky: jcob`: I saw you posted about a month ago asking if there were Scheme communities in the Triangle area. There is! badkins runs a meetup group: https://www.meetup.com/Triangle-Lisp-Scheme
2017-12-15T16:57:54Z cky: I don't IRC very much any more, but if someone pings my name, I still read the chat logs. :-D
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2017-12-15T16:58:48Z cky: Right now the most reliable way to get in touch with me is via Discord. My username there is cky#6493.
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2017-12-15T17:00:33Z jcowan: cky: You don't read your email any more?
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2017-12-15T17:09:15Z cky: If someone tells me to look through my emails, I'll look, but otherwise, I have so many messages in my inbox that it's hard to know whom to expect.
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2017-12-15T17:11:14Z cky: It's a tough battle to win: I used to use Priority Inbox (in Gmail), but there have been some false negatives there where I missed important messages, so meh.
2017-12-15T17:11:44Z cky: I do scan my inbox at least once every couple of days though, just to see if anything jumps out.
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2017-12-15T17:57:21Z ecraven: has anyone here defined methods to partially apply a function of two arguments to one (first or second)? it is a case I find myself using often, and a lambda seems verbose..
2017-12-15T17:57:57Z ecraven: something like (o1 - 3) -> (lambda (b) (- 3 b))  and   (o2 - 3) -> (lambda (a) (- a 3))
2017-12-15T17:58:19Z gwatt: ecraven: I've defined a curry function that will partially apply given arguments
2017-12-15T17:58:32Z ecraven: gwatt: can it do o2?
2017-12-15T17:58:46Z ecraven: (i.e. apply right arguments
2017-12-15T17:58:49Z ecraven: )
2017-12-15T17:59:03Z gwatt: No, it's leftmost first.
2017-12-15T17:59:13Z gwatt: I think what you want is the cut srfi?
2017-12-15T17:59:15Z ecraven: yea, as they all are, but that's not always what I need
2017-12-15T17:59:24Z ecraven: gwatt: I know, but that's still a bit verbose
2017-12-15T18:00:11Z ecraven: I might have been exposed to too much APL :D
2017-12-15T18:01:05Z gwatt: ecraven: http://termbin.com/f0hs
2017-12-15T18:01:08Z gwatt: like that?
2017-12-15T18:01:51Z ecraven: gwatt: hm... with much shorter names, that might work fine ;)
2017-12-15T18:03:29Z gwatt: ecraven: though if you know you want to curry a function, i once went crazy and wrote this: https://gist.github.com/gwatt/42a5cde08adcfc351e1dad545738a5f6
2017-12-15T18:04:03Z ecraven: hehe ;)
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2017-12-15T18:24:46Z jcowan: I've started to think about a profile of R7RS with immutable data types
2017-12-15T18:25:11Z ecraven: that'd be interesting
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2017-12-15T18:25:33Z cky: .oO(cut is verbose?!)
2017-12-15T18:26:14Z cky: Oh, you wanted Clojure style lambda shorthands then. e.g., #(- 3 %) and #(- % 3) for your examples.
2017-12-15T18:26:15Z gwatt: well, when you're comparing to APL everything is verbose
2017-12-15T18:26:23Z jcowan: so that Scheme can be used for pure functional programming
2017-12-15T18:26:30Z jcowan thinks K is worse than APL in this respect
2017-12-15T18:26:38Z cky: I might have mistaken % for & though. It's been a while since I used Clojure.
2017-12-15T18:27:08Z jcowan: it has both ad hoc arity overloading and ad hoc type overloading
2017-12-15T18:27:13Z ecraven: jcowan: by the way, I've found the `select' macro from prefix-dylan useful a few times. it is basically a case where the clause heads are evaluated and the predicate is passed in explicitly
2017-12-15T18:27:43Z ecraven: (select 17 = (((+ 1 2) 5) 'the-one) ((4 6) 'the-other) (else 'whatever))
2017-12-15T18:27:46Z jcowan: Hmm. Write a SRFI!
2017-12-15T18:27:58Z cky: No, it is %. https://clojure.org/reference/reader
2017-12-15T18:28:07Z ecraven: jcowan: that'd be a very short one :-/
2017-12-15T18:28:32Z jcowan: The K example from WP is 2!!7!4, where each ! has a different semantics (modulo, iota, rotation from right to left)
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2017-12-15T18:28:42Z jcowan: ecraven: 'Sokay, SRFI 2 is short
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2017-12-15T18:28:55Z ecraven: hehe, good point
2017-12-15T18:29:10Z gwatt: jcowan: which ! is which operation?
2017-12-15T18:29:22Z cky: SRFI 31 is probably one of the simplest SRFIs I've seen.
2017-12-15T18:29:30Z gwatt: or did you list them in respective order?
2017-12-15T18:29:31Z jcowan: sorry, "from right to left" was meant to indicate that.
2017-12-15T18:29:49Z ecraven: cky: hm.. that's about as complex as `select' would be
2017-12-15T18:29:52Z ecraven: is that worth an srfi?
2017-12-15T18:30:07Z jcowan: We have no shortage of positive integers for SRFIS
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2017-12-15T18:30:37Z ecraven: what makes the first and the last different?
2017-12-15T18:30:38Z gwatt: jcowan: ah, i skipped that part...
2017-12-15T18:30:43Z ecraven: both are dyadic, no?
2017-12-15T18:30:45Z jcowan: ecraven: types
2017-12-15T18:30:45Z cky: Yep, as long as SRFI numbers fit within fixnums, module names are not going to be a problem.
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2017-12-15T18:30:56Z Riastradh: It's disgraceful!  We need more representation from the non-integer classes, like transcendentals and Gaussian integers and negative numbers.
2017-12-15T18:31:12Z cky: (import (srfi -inf.0))
2017-12-15T18:31:15Z jcowan: some negative numbers are integers
2017-12-15T18:31:17Z gwatt: Riastradh: you can come up with as many imaginary srfis as you want
2017-12-15T18:31:36Z ecraven: shotgun on srfi π!
2017-12-15T18:31:51Z Riastradh: jcowan: Yes, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of the SRFI numbers now is a nonnegative integer.
2017-12-15T18:31:58Z gwatt: srfi pi should be exact flonums
2017-12-15T18:32:02Z cky: (import (srfi 7@11)) ;; gogo complex numbers
2017-12-15T18:32:32Z ecraven: jcowan: wow, that makes K slightly insane imho ;)
2017-12-15T18:32:39Z ecraven: apl is bad enough with monadic vs. dyadic
2017-12-15T18:32:46Z gwatt: and niladic!
2017-12-15T18:33:15Z gwatt: APL has the advantage of using non-ascii characters for added clarity/confusion
2017-12-15T18:33:20Z ecraven: though now that mit has unicode identifiers, I should continue on my apl-operators-for-scheme library ;D
2017-12-15T18:33:34Z ecraven: gwatt: I'd say it's definitely clarity (though it takes a bit to get used to them)
2017-12-15T18:33:48Z ecraven: at least you don't have those strange di- and triglyphs that other apl-likes use
2017-12-15T18:33:53Z gwatt: it's confusion until you're used to them, then it's clarity
2017-12-15T18:34:09Z jcowan: (import (srfi -1)) is beyond what R7RS allows
2017-12-15T18:34:21Z gwatt: jcowan: what about :-1
2017-12-15T18:34:34Z jcowan: That's fine
2017-12-15T18:35:01Z Riastradh: gwatt: Is that a `smoking with a cigarette holder' emoticon?
2017-12-15T18:35:14Z gwatt: Riastradh: could be.
2017-12-15T18:35:15Z jcowan: but (import (λ)) would be fine
2017-12-15T18:35:18Z ecraven: jcowan: about that immutable profile, how would that work? you'd have to remove some libraries and even change r7rs-small
2017-12-15T18:35:26Z gwatt: I didn't think about the smily aspect until after I hit enter
2017-12-15T18:37:07Z jcowan: yes, + would be imported from the base library, but car would be a rename of icar from the ilist library or rcar from the random access library
2017-12-15T18:37:47Z jcowan: So you'd have a new set of libraries, (immutable *) some of which would be the same as r7rs libs and some would not
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2017-12-15T18:38:19Z jcowan: The main new thing we would need beyond the Red Edition is persistent vectors
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2017-12-15T18:38:31Z cky: (immutable lseqs) ;; try making that immutable ;-)
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2017-12-15T18:38:51Z jcowan: I'm only interested in R7RS-small at this point
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2017-12-15T18:39:11Z cky: :-)
2017-12-15T18:39:15Z ecraven: so another srfi :D
2017-12-15T18:39:33Z cky: (srfi 31337)
2017-12-15T18:39:40Z jcowan: I'm not sure srfi-editor would accept it as such
2017-12-15T18:40:00Z ecraven: why not?
2017-12-15T18:40:03Z jcowan: I wanted to have a SRFI for the Red Edition and Arthur shot it down, saying that's not what SRFIs are for.
2017-12-15T18:40:38Z ecraven: well, aren't persistent vectors useful on their own? even without an entirely immutable Scheme?
2017-12-15T18:40:45Z cky: It's not? It's the perfect thing to have an implementation for. (if we read SRFI literally, which I'm sure nobody does, in the same way that RFCs are not read literally as requests for comments)
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2017-12-15T18:41:02Z wasamasa: persistent hash maps are where it's at
2017-12-15T18:41:25Z cky: Do persistent hashes actually exist? Racket's implementation uses AVL trees.
2017-12-15T18:41:33Z wasamasa: yes, clojure is a thing
2017-12-15T18:41:48Z wasamasa: people love their hash maps so much they use them when they should be using records
2017-12-15T18:41:48Z cky: I'll have to see how Clojure implements it.
2017-12-15T18:42:05Z cky: If they use AVL trees behind the scenes, I'll take that as a sign that persistent hashes don't exist.
2017-12-15T18:42:11Z gwatt: well, when they're easy to make...
2017-12-15T18:42:18Z wasamasa: it helps that they have syntactic sugar for it and never used alists or plists
2017-12-15T18:42:34Z gwatt: and that you can map over them
2017-12-15T18:42:34Z jcowan: SRFI 144 is hung up on adding them, and Arthur sent me his implementation (now checked in); I just need a tuit to write an interface between his library and SRFI 144.
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2017-12-15T18:42:58Z wasamasa: now, sometimes I wish you could pick the equality predicate, but that doesn't happen often
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2017-12-15T18:43:46Z gwatt: that is a nice feature of scheme's hastable
2017-12-15T18:44:02Z jcowan: sorry, I meant SRFI 146
2017-12-15T18:44:23Z jcowan: https://github.com/scheme-requests-for-implementation/srfi-146/tree/master/srfi/hamt
2017-12-15T18:44:42Z wasamasa: for some reason I'm reminded of that one xkcd comic
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2017-12-15T18:45:36Z jcowan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_array_mapped_trie
2017-12-15T18:46:06Z Riastradh: cky: Pretty sure adding persistence to hash tables would defeat the advantage over balanced trees by adding a logarithmic factor somewhere.
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2017-12-15T18:46:40Z wasamasa: it doesn't matter if the factor is log32
2017-12-15T18:47:17Z jcowan: The meaning doesn't matter if it's only idle chatter of a transcendental kind!
2017-12-15T18:47:26Z Riastradh: Or at least defeat the advantage over radix/critbit trees.
2017-12-15T18:47:50Z cky: Riastradh: Right, hence persistent hashes don't really exist, or are at least highly impractical.
2017-12-15T18:48:36Z Riastradh: Anyway, if you want Scheme code for hash-array-mapped-tries, here's a pile of it: https://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/hash-trie.scm
2017-12-15T18:50:05Z cky: Cool! *looks*
2017-12-15T18:53:53Z Riastradh: (I'm not really optimistic the idea will ever be useful, but it's there if you want to play with it.  Code might even work, who knows.)
2017-12-15T18:55:37Z Riastradh: (In particular, evidently I didn't understand the concept of hashing at the time I wrote that, and wasn't even really thinking, or else I wouldn't have written such obvious nonsense about the worst-case running time near the top.)
2017-12-15T18:56:36Z Riastradh: (Also it really _is_ a radix tree, so if you already have a map from key to bit sequence it would be foolish to use this instead.)
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2017-12-15T18:57:07Z Riastradh: (And unless your key space is dense, it will waste a lot of space, unlike, e.g., a critbit tree.)
2017-12-15T18:57:22Z Riastradh: (Help!  I'm trapped in a parenthesis and I can't get out.)
2017-12-15T18:57:39Z jcowan: Well, the other advantage of hash trees over balanced trees is that you don't need to have a total order on the keys
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2017-12-15T18:59:15Z gwatt: but you could have a weird pathological case where you end up with a linked list
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2017-12-15T19:03:49Z ecraven: jcowan: what are the gripes people have with syntax-parameters? after reading the paper, it seems to solve its problem in a rather neat way
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2017-12-15T19:04:35Z jcowan: I don't know of any specific gripes.  foof is just busy and doesn't think this is a feature for a small implementation, given that it has to be hard-wired in
2017-12-15T19:04:50Z ecraven: how hard is it to implement?
2017-12-15T19:05:27Z ecraven: it would solve some of the cases where I could not use `syntax-rules' to introduce bindings
2017-12-15T19:05:55Z jcowan: I have no clue.  Nobody has implemented it on a syntax-rules-only system that I know of.
2017-12-15T19:07:36Z gwatt: probably because that would be a pain in the ass
2017-12-15T19:07:58Z ecraven: well, the paper mentions it could be done by just using parameters during compile-time
2017-12-15T19:08:28Z gwatt: I can think of a way to do it that involves the literal list
2017-12-15T19:08:43Z gwatt: but it requires walking the entire expression
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2017-12-15T19:14:07Z jcowan: https://srfi-email.schemers.org/srfi-31/msg/2783213 is very cool: time travel, as the author says
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2017-12-15T20:19:47Z Riastradh: jcowan: Right, instead you need a random map from keys to integers, as if that weren't more onerous to manage!
2017-12-15T20:20:47Z Riastradh: The real advantage of hash tables is that they tend to have small constant factors, and everyone knows about them and can implement a stupid one without thinking about it.
2017-12-15T20:21:55Z Riastradh: It's a deceptive advantage, of course, because getting _reliably_ good performance out of them is trickier, and the concept of the random map is lost on most people.
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2017-12-16T18:45:39Z teurastaja: what is the preferred method to set list elements? set-car! and set-cdr! but i still get errors :/
2017-12-16T18:46:36Z teurastaja: rudybot:  (define (push! k LSTM x)
2017-12-16T18:46:36Z teurastaja:       (let* ([ky (memq k LSTM)]
2017-12-16T18:46:36Z teurastaja:              [y (cdr ky)])
2017-12-16T18:46:36Z teurastaja:         (set-cdr! ky (cons x y))))
2017-12-16T18:46:38Z rudybot: teurastaja: LSTM = long short-term memory or something, it's a specific kind of RNN
2017-12-16T18:46:54Z teurastaja: rudybot: i know damnit
2017-12-16T18:47:02Z rudybot: teurastaja: I know the size is wrong, I have to get it tailored anyway, I know the chest will be too large /damnit.
2017-12-16T18:47:34Z teurastaja: rudybot: help
2017-12-16T18:47:34Z rudybot: teurastaja: bug <more> ..., fom <more> ..., hopeless <more> ..., falsy <more> ..., bad-eval <more> ..., later "tell" <recipient> <message> ..., help [<what>], version, quote, source, url, g <query> ..., sentientp, seen <nick> <more> ..., where's <nick> <more> ..., uptime, t8 <from> <to> <text> ..., snotback, botsnack, init [<lang>], eval <expr> ..., give <to> <expr> ..., apropos <str> ..., desc <id>, doc <id>, swat <victim>
2017-12-16T18:48:10Z teurastaja: rudybot: eval (define (push! k LSTM x) (let* ([ky (memq k LSTM)] [y (cdr ky)]) (set-cdr! ky (cons x y))))
2017-12-16T18:48:22Z rudybot: teurastaja: error: with-limit: out of time
2017-12-16T18:48:35Z teurastaja: what?
2017-12-16T18:48:50Z pjb: what if k is not in lstm?
2017-12-16T18:49:18Z teurastaja: k is in LSTM
2017-12-16T18:49:33Z teurastaja: i dont type wrong keys
2017-12-16T18:49:50Z teurastaja: what is wrong with this implementation?
2017-12-16T18:51:06Z teurastaja: rudybot: after i debug this i will rewrite you with the permission of your owner ahaha!
2017-12-16T18:51:13Z pjb: What error do you get?
2017-12-16T18:51:24Z rudybot: teurastaja: ahaha
2017-12-16T18:52:24Z teurastaja: *** ERROR: invalid application: (#f Xt_i ((Xt_i (((1) (1) .... (((0 0 1 1)) ((0 1 1 1)) ((1 0 1 1)) ((1 1 1 1)) ((0) (0) (0) (0))))
2017-12-16T18:53:07Z teurastaja: the content of 'Xt_i gets appended to the alist
2017-12-16T18:53:07Z pjb: That doesn't seem related.  Where is your Xt_i variable?
2017-12-16T18:53:18Z teurastaja: but Xt_i is at the front actually
2017-12-16T18:53:33Z teurastaja: the #f is not supposed to be there
2017-12-16T18:53:57Z pjb: Check the value of set-cdr!
2017-12-16T18:54:24Z teurastaja: pjb: which one?
2017-12-16T18:54:29Z pjb: set-cdr!
2017-12-16T18:54:43Z pjb: type: set-cdr! RET at the REPL.
2017-12-16T18:54:50Z teurastaja: yes but there are 50ish set-cdr!s in my code
2017-12-16T18:55:12Z teurastaja: RET?
2017-12-16T18:55:26Z pjb: Or add (display set-cdr!) before the set-cdr! call in the above form.
2017-12-16T18:57:55Z teurastaja: https://pastebin.com/gujuL7Xm
2017-12-16T18:58:01Z teurastaja: heres the code
2017-12-16T18:59:30Z teurastaja: push! gets used in feedforward-once
2017-12-16T19:00:20Z teurastaja: oh nevermind....
2017-12-16T19:00:53Z teurastaja: set-input! doesn't use set-cdr! thats why...
2017-12-16T19:03:03Z teurastaja: i still get the error but the #f is gone
2017-12-16T19:03:10Z teurastaja: hold on pasting it
2017-12-16T19:04:06Z teurastaja: here: https://pastebin.com/HcQ3ruiw
2017-12-16T19:04:32Z teurastaja: should be more readable and you also got the interactive session's output in it
2017-12-16T19:06:25Z pjb: Well, I get: http://sprunge.us/RWKN
2017-12-16T19:08:09Z pjb: So it's not set-cdr!, it's set-input!
2017-12-16T19:08:10Z teurastaja: pjb: correct usage is this:
2017-12-16T19:08:13Z teurastaja: (import (LSTM initialization) (LSTM feedforwarding))
2017-12-16T19:08:13Z teurastaja: (define LSTM (make-LSTM 4 1))
2017-12-16T19:08:13Z teurastaja: (LSTM-feedforward! 4 LSTM
2017-12-16T19:08:13Z teurastaja:   (list (list 0 0 1 1)
2017-12-16T19:08:13Z teurastaja:         (list 0 1 1 1)
2017-12-16T19:08:14Z teurastaja:         (list 1 0 1 1)
2017-12-16T19:08:16Z teurastaja:         (list 1 1 1 1))
2017-12-16T19:08:18Z teurastaja:   (lambda (x) #t))
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2017-12-16T19:09:11Z teurastaja: pjb: corrected code is here: https://pastebin.com/HcQ3ruiw
2017-12-16T19:09:48Z teurastaja: the result of everything is then stored in LSTM variable
2017-12-16T19:10:19Z pjb: The thing is that set-cdr! is probably not defined.
2017-12-16T19:11:01Z teurastaja: pjb: it says symbol not defined if it cant find a definition
2017-12-16T19:11:20Z pjb: Yes. I mean it's defined to be #f instead of being a function.
2017-12-16T19:11:39Z teurastaja: *** ERROR: pair required, but got #f
2017-12-16T19:11:39Z teurastaja: Stack Trace:
2017-12-16T19:11:39Z teurastaja: _______________________________________
2017-12-16T19:11:39Z teurastaja:   0  (set-input! m LSTM input)
2017-12-16T19:11:39Z teurastaja:         at "(standard input)":101
2017-12-16T19:11:57Z teurastaja: i dont see an #f now unless my eyes are tricking me
2017-12-16T19:13:36Z pjb: type (memq 'Xt_i LSTM) at the REPL.
2017-12-16T19:13:56Z pjb: again, I told you from the start, what happens when the element is not in the list…
2017-12-16T19:14:21Z teurastaja: yes i know...
2017-12-16T19:14:56Z teurastaja: thats nonesense
2017-12-16T19:15:18Z teurastaja: i got #f but if i view the whole structure i got a matrix
2017-12-16T19:15:37Z teurastaja: seems like it doesnt point to the same thing
2017-12-16T19:18:11Z pjb: memq doesn't work on matrices…
2017-12-16T19:18:48Z teurastaja: pjb: the cdr is supposed to be a matrix
2017-12-16T19:19:00Z teurastaja: the car is the key
2017-12-16T19:19:18Z teurastaja: i say matrix but it could be matrices or more dimensions
2017-12-16T19:19:42Z teurastaja: depending on the initialization
2017-12-16T19:21:09Z pjb: ((Xt_i (((1) (1) .... (((0 0 1 1)) ((0 1 1 1)) ((1 0 1 1)) ((1 1 1 1)) ((0) (0) (0) (0)))))) …) is a list of list. It doesn't contain Xt_i.  Only one of its sublist contains it.
2017-12-16T19:21:18Z pjb: Try assq instead of memq perhaps?
2017-12-16T19:21:47Z teurastaja: pjb: it used to have assq but that was a bug and it prepended #f to the alist
2017-12-16T19:22:39Z teurastaja: heres what (memq 'Xt_i LSTM) should look like:
2017-12-16T19:23:02Z pjb: Use another function. Perhaps write your own.
2017-12-16T19:23:20Z teurastaja: (Xt_i ((0 0 1 1) (0 1 1 1) (1 0 1 1) (1 1 1 1)))
2017-12-16T19:23:40Z teurastaja: this is Xt_i as it should look
2017-12-16T19:23:41Z pjb: then your lstm is wrong.
2017-12-16T19:24:07Z teurastaja: sorry my bad
2017-12-16T19:25:09Z teurastaja: (Xt_i (((0) (0) (1) (1)) ((0) (1) (1) (1)) ((1) (0) (1) (1)) ((1) (1) (1) (1))))
2017-12-16T19:25:14Z teurastaja: like this
2017-12-16T19:25:26Z pjb: The assq should do.
2017-12-16T19:26:14Z teurastaja: replacing memq with assq prepends #f to the whole alist
2017-12-16T19:26:55Z pjb: Then write your own function.
2017-12-16T19:27:16Z teurastaja: pjb: thats what im doing isnt it?
2017-12-16T19:27:31Z pjb: but not using memq.
2017-12-16T19:27:54Z teurastaja: if i use assq then i cant use set-cdr!
2017-12-16T19:28:20Z teurastaja: and using set! doesnt seem to work
2017-12-16T19:29:55Z teurastaja: oh...
2017-12-16T19:29:58Z pjb: Otherwise, if you could avoid using set! and set-cdr! it would probably be better. Write functional code!
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2017-12-16T19:30:26Z teurastaja: pjb: on a 6 dimensional neural network? come one...
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2017-12-16T19:33:01Z teurastaja: pjb: how do i refer to them with symbols then?
2017-12-16T19:33:26Z pjb: put them in structures.
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2017-12-17T22:26:41Z Wetki592: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ DID YOU GUYS KNOW TODAY WAS NIGGERS DAY?? SAY HI TO YOUR FAVORITY NIGGER IN #FREENODE!! quicktalkeh676te.onionbjtus: vicenteH asumu NaNDude jcowan marvin3 pchrist emacsomancer sethalves nckx mario-goulart oleo lolcow cromachina klovett jp smurfrobot Riastradh wasamasa wigust_ bwv mlaine
2017-12-17T22:26:42Z Wetki592: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ DID YOU GUYS KNOW TODAY WAS NIGGERS DAY?? SAY HI TO YOUR FAVORITY NIGGER IN #FREENODE!! quicktalkeh676te.onionrlsmkk: dustyweb micmus pierpa kjeldahl Steverman NaNDude ijp ventonegro lolcow jcowan X-Scale niklasl fizzie mlaine Hijiri cromachina groovy2shoes SirDayBat Kkiro acarrico jackdaniel CustosL1men terpri akkad pjb fgudin dsp vyzo plll[m] tolja ggherdov lloda pie__ aver
2017-12-17T22:26:42Z Wetki592: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ DID YOU GUYS KNOW TODAY WAS NIGGERS DAY?? SAY HI TO YOUR FAVORITY NIGGER IN #FREENODE!! quicktalkeh676te.onionnovsufrgz: foof oleo copec balkamos pierpa ArneBab_ rotty danly ByronJohnson NaNDude ccl-logbot neuri8 amoe cmalo qu1j0t3 sethalves PyroLagus spudinski jackdaniel jcowan gko kori snw ski askatasuna evhan `micro CustosL1men kjak micmus mlaine badkin
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2017-12-17T22:46:14Z DeeEff: has anyone banned the above guy?
2017-12-17T22:46:25Z DeeEff: Seems to be going around in every Scheme / Lisp channel
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2017-12-17T23:11:45Z dustyweb: DeeEff: pretty much every channel, even across multiple networks, are getting hit with this stuff lately
2017-12-17T23:11:55Z dustyweb: :(
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2017-12-18T01:12:12Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETuczfbhx: X-Scale jcowan ericmathison jp groovy2shoes pchrist akkad ArneBab_ danly emacsomancer pierpa jcob ozzloy_ LeoNerd copec jao Kryo iskander pilne tolja rotty jim cromachina Steverman wasamasa daviid oleo smurfrobot wigust
2017-12-18T01:12:17Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETyydsgh: jao astronavt pjb Kkiro Kryo ericmathison wigust_ jcob greaser|q sethalves marvin3 vicenteH cromachina terpri X-Scale wasamasa tolja cky acarrico asumu jp copec mario-goulart NaNDude daviid nckx webshinra emacsomancer pchrist pilne jcowan badkins pie
2017-12-18T01:12:32Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETcniaer: khisanth_ pierpa acarrico sethalves ArneBab_ cky NaNDude Steverman kvda dustyweb danly wigust_ badkins pjb asumu dsp Kryo Menche greaser|q cromachina nckx astronavt mlaine vicenteH daviid ozzloy_ jim
2017-12-18T01:12:32Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETbfziyatfx: Steverman vicenteH Menche Kryo jcowan akkad Riastradh pierpa ArneBab_ badkins iskander acarrico emacsomancer wasamasa LeoNerd jcob astronavt terpri NaNDude webshinra hive-mind rotty pchrist greaser|q asumu kvda copec daviid Fare jim X-Scale wigust_ nckx tolja ozzloy_ sethalves ericmathi
2017-12-18T01:12:32Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETkrqxtxsy: kvda ozzloy_ wasamasa nckx oleo asumu iskander pchrist groovy2shoes cky Kryo greaser|q pierpa jcowan X-Scale astronavt NaNDude peterhil tolja pjb terpri fgudin dustyweb mario-goulart Riast
2017-12-18T01:12:37Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrujvdqxz: copec mlaine dsp smurfrobot groovy2shoes akkad Kkiro marvin3 vicenteH wasamasa Kryo Fare kvda dustyweb X-Scale pilne khisanth_ Menche pchrist jim cky NaNDude jp asumu ericmathison jao acarrico greaser|q peterhil pjb fgudin rotty terpri badkins wigust_ iskander daviid
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2017-12-18T01:12:51Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETlnbjgotld: vicenteH tolja smurfrobot Steverman cromachina nckx Kkiro daviid Kryo danly wasamasa akkad pierpa ArneBab_ sethalves Riastradh oleo asumu jcob astronavt pilne marvin3 pjb NaNDude khisanth_ webshinra kvda jp cky X-Scale fgudin ericmathison jcowan b
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2017-12-18T01:13:23Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwlgcl: mlaine mario-goulart LeoNerd fgudin wasamasa Steverman copec jao Kryo ozzloy_ oleo cky Riastradh badkins ertes pchrist peterhil danly groovy2shoes sethalves emacsomancer pierpa nckx webshinra
2017-12-18T01:13:27Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwzzlvmief: ozzloy_ Kryo cky marvin3 terpri X-Scale mario-goulart wasamasa badkins kvda pchrist Fare pilne daviid rotty nckx khisanth_ astronavt vicenteH LeoNerd Menche jcob cromachina akkad Kkiro dsp mlaine copec danly pierpa jp groovy2shoes jcowan fgudin jim lolcow hive-mind webshinra g
2017-12-18T01:13:34Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETqvjcde: wasamasa Kkiro terpri nckx jao cky pjb wigust_ groovy2shoes badkins ArneBab_ kvda pchrist mlaine webshinra mario-goulart Menche vicenteH lolcow Kryo LeoNerd pierpa jp daviid iskander marvin3
2017-12-18T01:13:37Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETqcnrfgcfly: peterhil asumu Riastradh acarrico jao vicenteH nckx badkins copec mlaine cromachina ertes LeoNerd fgudin Steverman akkad ArneBab_ dustyweb pchrist wigust_ Menche X-Scale marvin3 rotty smurfrobot astronavt hive-mind oleo pjb jcob pilne Fare lolcow sethalves danly dsp NaNDude c
2017-12-18T01:13:42Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxhwbl: pierpa asumu lolcow khisanth_ cromachina LeoNerd tolja marvin3 akkad Fare jim fgudin pjb rotty wigust_ vicenteH emacsomancer wasamasa Riastradh badkins hive-mind acarrico jp groovy2shoes ArneBab_ webshinra smurfrobot NaNDude dsp Menche ericmathison du
2017-12-18T01:13:47Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdreepccyvo: Menche fgudin ericmathison tolja wasamasa copec peterhil pjb Fare smurfrobot pilne iskander jao cromachina terpri cky akkad lolcow Kkiro hive-mind oleo pierpa danly NaNDude X-Scale Kryo rotty mlaine emacsomancer sethalves greaser|q ozzloy_ astron
2017-12-18T01:13:53Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETsxjvnphj: Kryo groovy2shoes astronavt mario-goulart Kkiro dustyweb asumu ericmathison ArneBab_ pierpa kvda marvin3 greaser|q smurfrobot fgudin X-Scale oleo pilne pchrist dsp acarrico wasamasa LeoNerd mlaine danly Mench
2017-12-18T01:13:57Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvjgwenyhim: peterhil nckx ericmathison astronavt Kryo Fare ertes copec mario-goulart khisanth_ cromachina rotty tolja LeoNerd mlaine daviid vicenteH fgudin pjb ArneBab_ pchrist sethalves akkad marvin3 Riastradh dsp cky Menche emacsomancer
2017-12-18T01:14:02Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETfooomtfxbv: oleo Steverman ozzloy_ NaNDude jcowan smurfrobot wasamasa ertes nckx badkins acarrico cky Kkiro ArneBab_ groovy2shoes daviid Fare jcob sethalves ericmathison copec Menche X-Scale mlaine vicenteH kvda khisanth_ akkad astronavt mario-goulart jao pierpa asumu marvin3 cromachina
2017-12-18T01:14:08Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETgtndd: jim oleo jp cky groovy2shoes ericmathison danly wigust_ copec marvin3 terpri sethalves wasamasa jcob Menche Steverman jcowan hive-mind astronavt pilne tolja dsp smurfrobot iskander dustyweb Fare acarrico khisanth_ asumu emacsomancer vicenteH akkad mario-goulart greaser|q
2017-12-18T01:14:13Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEToypyobq: cromachina emacsomancer cky ozzloy_ ertes kvda jim jp jcowan jao lolcow pierpa NaNDude hive-mind Menche sethalves smurfrobot greaser|q vicenteH mario-goulart jcob rotty Steverman LeoNerd wasamasa Riastradh ArneBab_ dustyweb fgudin X-Scale wigust_ pilne terpri peterhil
2017-12-18T01:14:22Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETjmjvjjnyx: lolcow oleo iskander LeoNerd jp groovy2shoes badkins jcob pchrist cromachina Riastradh wigust_ tolja acarrico jcowan dsp emacsomancer rotty jim Kryo jao ericmathison daviid mario-goulart Menche gre
2017-12-18T01:14:22Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdostp: Steverman kvda badkins jcowan webshinra cromachina ericmathison ozzloy_ fgudin jim wasamasa cky dsp mlaine danly khisanth_ dustyweb lolcow copec pchrist astronavt rotty daviid akkad mario-goulart vicenteH jcob pierpa oleo tolja pjb
2017-12-18T01:14:27Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETlsoax: Fare lolcow emacsomancer pierpa Riastradh pchrist marvin3 ozzloy_ Kryo asumu dustyweb terpri Menche Steverman ArneBab_ peterhil mario-goulart ertes pilne X-Scale dsp pjb jcob LeoNerd tolja wasamasa khisanth_ sethalves Kki
2017-12-18T01:14:33Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETonqdtsvkh: tolja khisanth_ iskander peterhil badkins pjb LeoNerd asumu Kkiro marvin3 danly mlaine hive-mind jcob kvda pilne fgudin oleo dsp Menche cromachina sethalves wigust_ ozzloy_ jcowan Riastradh NaNDude lolcow smurfrobot jao webshinra dustyweb nckx X-Scale jp copec Kryo ericmathiso
2017-12-18T01:14:39Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETzmbzsokyt: Steverman ozzloy_ ericmathison marvin3 tolja rotty Menche asumu dsp akkad Fare X-Scale Riastradh mlaine Kkiro khisanth_ pjb jcob NaNDude hive-mind iskander pchrist daviid oleo nckx badkins mario-goulart lolcow sethalves greaser|q astronavt danly jp LeoNerd fgudin jco
2017-12-18T01:14:46Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnshfbgtovu: webshinra nckx pilne jp mario-goulart groovy2shoes mlaine pjb cky emacsomancer smurfrobot dsp Kkiro LeoNerd badkins marvin3 X-Scale pierpa fgudin khisanth_ lolcow rotty jcowan vicenteH jcob Steverman dustyweb Kryo daviid cromachina Menche peterhil NaNDude wasamasa tolja Fare sethalves
2017-12-18T01:14:48Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpdhdvymrd: fgudin Kryo jcob jp rotty Fare LeoNerd khisanth_ pilne vicenteH ArneBab_ nckx peterhil asumu emacsomancer terpri hive-mind daviid tolja mlaine marvin3 jim jcowan cky cromachina kvda sethalves akkad copec mario-goulart badkins groovy2shoes greaser|q danly lolcow acarr
2017-12-18T01:14:56Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETouhdfs: tolja astronavt LeoNerd asumu oleo lolcow dsp acarrico ArneBab_ ertes jao marvin3 jcob mario-goulart X-Scale dustyweb vicenteH NaNDude daviid khisanth_ danly Riastradh akkad jcowan Fare wasa
2017-12-18T01:14:58Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETedhpkuea: ozzloy_ sethalves pchrist terpri Menche ericmathison asumu LeoNerd iskander Kryo jcob cky khisanth_ Fare ArneBab_ marvin3 jao akkad dsp groovy2shoes X-Scale acarrico wasamasa pilne lolcow Kkiro jp greaser|q jcowan mario-goulart NaNDude ba
2017-12-18T01:15:02Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmenqecmpju: kvda vicenteH astronavt pierpa wasamasa asumu wigust_ ArneBab_ jim jcowan acarrico pilne dustyweb mlaine Steverman copec badkins LeoNerd sethalves groovy2shoes mario-goulart Kryo peterhil Fare X-Scale nckx marvin3 ozzloy_ grea
2017-12-18T01:15:18Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdejhap: copec dsp Riastradh daviid nckx dustyweb ertes cky Menche ArneBab_ astronavt akkad asumu jao pierpa khisanth_ pchrist ericmathison ozzloy_ peterhil acarrico vicenteH terpri danly Steverman mlaine jcob pilne cromachina Na
2017-12-18T01:15:18Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETfhzrxufd: nckx emacsomancer Kryo danly greaser|q lolcow sethalves mario-goulart khisanth_ asumu daviid jim ozzloy_ dsp mlaine X-Scale NaNDude copec groovy2shoes hive-mind jp rotty oleo jcowan wigust_ Fare peterhil astronavt pchrist fgudin tolja jao
2017-12-18T01:15:18Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETjubqj: terpri webshinra Kryo jao sethalves LeoNerd NaNDude mlaine asumu Menche jim Fare jcob acarrico cromachina X-Scale badkins Riastradh ArneBab_ jcowan lolcow emacsomancer copec daviid ericmathison wigust_ smurfrobot hive-mind dsp peterhil mario-goulart d
2017-12-18T01:15:22Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnmrec: greaser|q pilne dustyweb cky mario-goulart Steverman NaNDude jcob jao akkad Menche asumu pierpa pchrist emacsomancer nckx astronavt ertes groovy2shoes webshinra mlaine terpri iskander badkins
2017-12-18T01:15:29Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnzkvnzko: lolcow kvda daviid NaNDude pierpa badkins rotty peterhil danly ozzloy_ acarrico LeoNerd jp Steverman mario-goulart fgudin pchrist Menche Fare groovy2shoes jao astronavt dsp iskander oleo dustyweb greaser|q cr
2017-12-18T01:15:33Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETysmfuxxpz: pchrist Kryo Kkiro greaser|q wigust_ ozzloy_ cky X-Scale astronavt kvda asumu wasamasa mlaine peterhil khisanth_ webshinra dustyweb jcob fgudin badkins NaNDude danly Steverman vicenteH akkad ertes dsp rotty jim jp ericmathison pierpa copec terpri hive-mind iskander j
2017-12-18T01:15:37Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETcboykcuo: peterhil copec Menche marvin3 Kkiro terpri emacsomancer nckx tolja ArneBab_ sethalves webshinra dustyweb acarrico fgudin ericmathison NaNDude Kryo mlaine jp astronavt wasamasa jcob X-Scale pjb oleo cky ertes kvda danly jcowan groovy2shoes wigust_ smurfrobot cromachina hive-mind vicenteH
2017-12-18T01:15:47Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETyxdoawkwd: kvda LeoNerd cromachina X-Scale oleo danly pilne daviid ArneBab_ smurfrobot pchrist jp peterhil jcowan khisanth_ vicenteH pjb wigust_ jcob ozzloy_ wasamasa tolja fgudin iskander akkad jao NaNDude dsp mario-goulart ertes mlaine rotty asumu Steverman Kkiro pierpa jim badkins copec lolcow
2017-12-18T01:15:48Z bubbaw574: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETytkiea: jim jcob fgudin groovy2shoes sethalves rotty pierpa jcowan greaser|q mlaine mario-goulart asumu astronavt peterhil dsp NaNDude pchrist oleo lolcow Riastradh nckx jp Steverman ericmathison tolja cky X-Scale davi
2017-12-18T01:15:49Z ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh
2017-12-18T01:15:53Z bubbaw574 [~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh] has been kicked from #scheme by Riastradh (bubbaw574)
2017-12-18T01:16:16Z Riastradh: Sorry, folks, only just noticed this.
2017-12-18T01:17:06Z aeth: (define (message-to-spammer x y) (display x) (display " ") (display y) (display "\n")) (message-to-spammer "Go" "away!")
2017-12-18T01:17:13Z aeth: there, now we're on topic again
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2017-12-18T01:20:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETawyplhlvvt: astronavt wigust_ jim pjb jao rotty smurfrobot terpri marvin3 X-Scale Steverman Kkiro hive-mind dsp Menche webshinra nckx sethalves mlaine Kryo badkins mario-goulart asumu danly jcowan LeoNerd ozz
2017-12-18T01:20:46Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmvqjmp: pchrist mario-goulart acarrico badkins terpri Kkiro pilne hive-mind cky tolja daviid nckx X-Scale NaNDude wigust_ groovy2shoes rotty peterhil webshinra mlaine jim ertes marvin3 Riastradh ast
2017-12-18T01:20:52Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETynqbczas: ArneBab_ groovy2shoes asumu acarrico danly jim cky peterhil LeoNerd jcowan Kkiro oleo nckx jcob ertes X-Scale pierpa daviid lolcow mlaine pilne smurfrobot NaNDude Menche dustyweb mario-goulart Steve
2017-12-18T01:20:56Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETyhxali: Menche pjb vicenteH badkins smurfrobot greaser|q pchrist tolja terpri marvin3 X-Scale webshinra Fare dustyweb hive-mind kvda lolcow ArneBab_ Kkiro fgudin Kryo asumu acarrico dsp daviid ozzloy_ rotty astronavt jcob khisanth_ wasama
2017-12-18T01:20:59Z kvda quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2017-12-18T01:21:01Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETglxng: wasamasa pjb fgudin cromachina greaser|q jim pierpa mlaine nckx sethalves astronavt Kkiro cky kvda terpri emacsomancer tolja ertes smurfrobot badkins rotty oleo dsp jp Riastradh peterhil ArneBab_ pchrist groovy2shoes Fare Kryo lolc
2017-12-18T01:21:06Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxpxlm: ArneBab_ pchrist NaNDude pilne ozzloy_ nckx tolja dsp asumu khisanth_ sethalves Kryo danly vicenteH marvin3 groovy2shoes wigust_ Kkiro LeoNerd oleo pjb acarrico jp terpri hive-mind kvda badkins jcob Steverman lolcow mlaine ertes jcowan Riastradh greaser|q jao wasamasa ak
2017-12-18T01:21:14Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEThrgkmbae: lolcow emacsomancer groovy2shoes NaNDude mario-goulart astronavt pilne greaser|q peterhil Kkiro akkad jao terpri cromachina LeoNerd marvin3 fgudin Kryo wigust_ ertes tolja badkins nckx Fare hive-mind khisanth_ webshinra rotty pierpa X-Scale dustywe
2017-12-18T01:21:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETaulqzgruup: groovy2shoes Steverman jim pjb peterhil akkad smurfrobot jcowan jp jao danly ArneBab_ Menche mlaine X-Scale kvda sethalves NaNDude pilne jcob lolcow greaser|q daviid dsp vicenteH wigust_ wasamasa ertes iskander terpri webshinra Kryo Kkiro LeoNerd ericmathison astron
2017-12-18T01:21:31Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEToeviwt: smurfrobot iskander jcowan peterhil Menche Kryo jao cromachina pilne X-Scale Riastradh ozzloy_ dustyweb tolja Fare webshinra hive-mind fgudin daviid acarrico nckx pchrist ertes greaser|q mario-goulart
2017-12-18T01:21:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmucudur: nckx lolcow asumu jp acarrico Steverman astronavt Riastradh oleo badkins pchrist Kryo mario-goulart ArneBab_ pierpa ericmathison akkad Kkiro Fare peterhil danly mlaine jim rotty webshinra dsp greaser|q fgudin
2017-12-18T01:21:33Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvafrsz: Riastradh vicenteH cromachina hive-mind Fare iskander cky groovy2shoes lolcow wasamasa peterhil LeoNerd oleo marvin3 Steverman fgudin pilne jcowan emacsomancer kvda NaNDude sethalves jp nckx
2017-12-18T01:21:38Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETniulb: Fare pilne pchrist LeoNerd jp webshinra cky daviid acarrico danly greaser|q fgudin nckx ArneBab_ cromachina jao hive-mind emacsomancer mlaine terpri jcowan dustyweb marvin3 jim tolja ericmathison badkins kvda khisanth_ Na
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2017-12-18T01:21:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETsmlubwats: acarrico jp cromachina vicenteH LeoNerd wasamasa Fare lolcow cky khisanth_ jcob mario-goulart danly ertes asumu smurfrobot jcowan dustyweb terpri kvda jao fgudin Menche webshinra dsp jim mlaine marvin3 emacsomancer oleo tolja Riastradh a
2017-12-18T01:21:47Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxhlgql: oleo sethalves fgudin groovy2shoes Kkiro pierpa nckx pilne cromachina danly Fare LeoNerd cky NaNDude badkins jao akkad iskander marvin3 X-Scale vicenteH wigust_ mlaine Riastradh wasamasa dsp acarrico Menche ericmathison dustyweb khisanth_ k
2017-12-18T01:21:53Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpslrspidd: asumu Steverman Riastradh pilne jcowan peterhil astronavt ertes jim cky Fare oleo mario-goulart dsp pchrist sethalves ArneBab_ cromachina vicenteH greaser|q smurfrobot LeoNerd kvda jao jp marvin3 pjb akkad m
2017-12-18T01:21:57Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETzwrdhdp: acarrico rotty dustyweb Kryo X-Scale kvda jcob badkins wasamasa ozzloy_ astronavt groovy2shoes Steverman LeoNerd iskander greaser|q akkad pjb hive-mind cromachina daviid lolcow ertes pierpa pchrist e
2017-12-18T01:22:02Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETsfvul: jcowan nckx smurfrobot ericmathison ozzloy_ wigust_ NaNDude fgudin dsp pilne lolcow cromachina rotty sethalves X-Scale khisanth_ Menche cky ArneBab_ danly hive-mind groovy2shoes jp daviid ert
2017-12-18T01:22:07Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpjbybcdrs: terpri Steverman mario-goulart mlaine kvda greaser|q jcob peterhil Menche oleo X-Scale daviid webshinra jp wigust_ jao marvin3 khisanth_ tolja lolcow pjb badkins Kkiro iskander sethalves jcowan NaN
2017-12-18T01:22:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETkvovzaxi: fgudin Menche emacsomancer ArneBab_ kvda Kkiro peterhil iskander jp ozzloy_ jcob Fare pchrist Steverman tolja daviid Kryo sethalves astronavt khisanth_ jim nckx pierpa LeoNerd dsp terpri X-Scale mlaine dustyweb pjb hive-mind jao ericmathison pilne
2017-12-18T01:22:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETkoxafbrr: smurfrobot iskander daviid rotty emacsomancer acarrico jao pierpa jp kvda Kryo jim ertes Steverman vicenteH ericmathison badkins Kkiro lolcow danly cromachina ArneBab_ jcowan fgudin NaNDude hive-mind asumu khisanth_ Menche akkad webshinra sethalves
2017-12-18T01:22:18Z aeth: (define (message-to-spammer . words) (if (null? words) (display "\n") (begin (display (car words)) (display " ") (apply message-to-spammer (cdr words))))) (message-to-spammer "No" "one" "wants" "you" "here" "so" "go" "away.")
2017-12-18T01:22:22Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETogjym: terpri fgudin kvda hive-mind NaNDude Menche cky jcob Kkiro Fare badkins tolja pilne vicenteH jim wigust_ emacsomancer astronavt cromachina Steverman iskander jcowan jao akkad mario-goulart lolcow ozzloy_ LeoNerd acarrico pjb groovy2shoes daviid danly
2017-12-18T01:22:27Z aeth: Riastradh: poke
2017-12-18T01:22:27Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETeizcq: astronavt pjb groovy2shoes cromachina NaNDude wigust_ terpri dustyweb Riastradh daviid emacsomancer Steverman fgudin wasamasa jcob kvda marvin3 greaser|q cky ArneBab_ pchrist asumu mlaine Kkiro pierpa jp acarrico ertes webshinra oleo X-Scale ericmathison dsp danly rotty nckx jcowan jim jao
2017-12-18T01:22:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEToduukkrmor: Kkiro vicenteH marvin3 astronavt greaser|q Riastradh sethalves wasamasa acarrico hive-mind groovy2shoes kvda jim ertes dsp terpri Fare mlaine ericmathison dustyweb akkad mario-goulart ArneBab_ jcowan pierpa smurfrobot NaNDude cky Menche danly ozzloy_ khisa
2017-12-18T01:22:37Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnyswsiu: pilne Riastradh hive-mind asumu peterhil dsp LeoNerd pierpa pjb wigust_ dustyweb greaser|q danly cromachina X-Scale emacsomancer Menche sethalves ArneBab_ Kkiro rotty NaNDude Kryo nckx ericmathison akkad daviid vicenteH jcowan badkins tolja kvda smurfrobot gr
2017-12-18T01:22:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdrspwfwe: cky jim terpri Kkiro oleo dsp NaNDude hive-mind jcob asumu rotty Menche marvin3 cromachina danly vicenteH mario-goulart pjb pchrist ericmathison X-Scale sethalves nckx jao ertes wigust_ akkad LeoNerd astronavt acarrico wasamasa webshinra lolcow greaser|q badkins ozzloy_ pierpa
2017-12-18T01:22:47Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETjluem: ericmathison pchrist cromachina fgudin cky mario-goulart rotty Riastradh dsp akkad tolja dustyweb wigust_ khisanth_ jp jcob pierpa ozzloy_ jao oleo peterhil pilne Kryo marvin3 wasamasa iskander emacsomancer astronavt Menche terpri Steverman jim webshi
2017-12-18T01:22:54Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvrikt: Steverman asumu dustyweb akkad iskander cky danly ArneBab_ Menche pjb khisanth_ cromachina astronavt LeoNerd mario-goulart jao ozzloy_ ertes Kkiro Riastradh X-Scale fgudin badkins sethalves marvin3 dsp groovy2shoes greaser|q terpri tolja jcob Kryo NaNDude jcowan hive-min
2017-12-18T01:22:58Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETtdgjist: cky NaNDude daviid ArneBab_ Kkiro webshinra Steverman ericmathison dustyweb Kryo jp emacsomancer Menche mario-goulart peterhil marvin3 khisanth_ asumu cromachina jao iskander danly pjb Fare sethalves pierpa pilne vicenteH rotty pchrist Riastradh oleo badkins tolja astr
2017-12-18T01:23:02Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpozpcot: dsp ericmathison astronavt khisanth_ sethalves danly ozzloy_ jcob mario-goulart asumu jp mlaine wasamasa pierpa rotty jim Riastradh smurfrobot ArneBab_ X-Scale oleo pilne Steverman vicenteH groovy2shoes tolja fgudin dav
2017-12-18T01:23:08Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETsjsxjcfs: ArneBab_ badkins Steverman jim tolja mlaine wigust_ smurfrobot dustyweb ericmathison X-Scale acarrico terpri NaNDude pierpa pjb pilne cky greaser|q jp dsp jcob Menche jcowan webshinra Kkiro ozzloy_ rotty Kryo oleo nckx groovy2shoes sethalves jao khisanth_ daviid LeoNerd cromachina ertes
2017-12-18T01:23:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETtqecfbwye: danly Steverman fgudin tolja lolcow pierpa terpri Riastradh jcob marvin3 jp smurfrobot Kkiro ericmathison X-Scale LeoNerd jcowan wigust_ wasamasa asumu daviid dustyweb khisanth_ jim vicenteH jao Kryo NaNDude rotty kvda greaser|q dsp Fare ertes badkins sethalves pchri
2017-12-18T01:23:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxjxdaw: Menche ArneBab_ sethalves vicenteH jao khisanth_ tolja rotty mlaine smurfrobot webshinra cromachina X-Scale NaNDude Riastradh Kryo peterhil mario-goulart Steverman badkins wigust_ pierpa terpri oleo akkad pchri
2017-12-18T01:23:22Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrvxwp: webshinra groovy2shoes pchrist mlaine LeoNerd Menche asumu khisanth_ jao daviid acarrico jcowan Fare ozzloy_ X-Scale tolja badkins smurfrobot emacsomancer Steverman Kkiro kvda cky pilne ericm
2017-12-18T01:23:27Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETzxjuuvj: pilne lolcow asumu pierpa sethalves Menche danly mario-goulart hive-mind terpri webshinra Fare pchrist Riastradh cromachina jcob akkad badkins groovy2shoes smurfrobot jim ArneBab_ cky acarrico greaser|q khisan
2017-12-18T01:23:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETcilbkpw: oleo pilne cromachina nckx LeoNerd ozzloy_ badkins ertes jao wigust_ dustyweb jp smurfrobot fgudin Menche dsp X-Scale terpri emacsomancer vicenteH jim Kryo rotty mario-goulart cky NaNDude a
2017-12-18T01:23:34Z excelsior joined #scheme
2017-12-18T01:23:37Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpzymb: oleo wasamasa cromachina dsp kvda Riastradh wigust_ badkins khisanth_ tolja vicenteH acarrico emacsomancer ArneBab_ jcowan X-Scale LeoNerd daviid akkad Fare smurfrobot Kkiro hive-mind danly sethalves c
2017-12-18T01:23:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETyvbfb: tolja Kryo oleo jim groovy2shoes cromachina rotty fgudin jcob jao akkad webshinra iskander pierpa ertes ericmathison terpri khisanth_ daviid asumu astronavt pjb dsp vicenteH hive-mind Fare Steverman ArneBab_ acarrico mlaine cky lolcow nckx jcowan jp greaser|q d
2017-12-18T01:23:47Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwbmkbremxw: cromachina hive-mind oleo sethalves dustyweb jp jim Kryo jao rotty akkad badkins wigust_ iskander fgudin acarrico pchrist groovy2shoes pilne ertes astronavt dsp mlaine Fare vicenteH smur
2017-12-18T01:23:52Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwbcxmrcflx: nckx groovy2shoes astronavt jcob fgudin danly jcowan rotty Steverman ertes ozzloy_ lolcow NaNDude badkins Fare Kryo dustyweb cromachina marvin3 sethalves greaser|q ericmathison ArneBab_ dsp asumu pilne kvda jp smurfrobot LeoNerd cky mario-goulart
2017-12-18T01:23:57Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxwmioq: akkad jp ArneBab_ ericmathison greaser|q vicenteH terpri Kryo emacsomancer Menche daviid webshinra kvda pchrist Kkiro jim pilne jao wigust_ rotty Steverman hive-mind NaNDude smurfrobot mlaine tolja ertes Fare danly marvin3 iskander astronavt groovy2shoes asumu
2017-12-18T01:24:04Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxstsz: sethalves jp webshinra ericmathison X-Scale khisanth_ dsp daviid jao fgudin wigust_ hive-mind wasamasa smurfrobot kvda astronavt jim ozzloy_ ArneBab_ vicenteH ertes Kkiro Riastradh Steverman marvin3 Menche Kryo LeoNerd ba
2017-12-18T01:24:08Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEThkdfecrb: terpri dsp ertes ArneBab_ LeoNerd mario-goulart pilne nckx pchrist Kkiro akkad vicenteH jao pierpa ericmathison daviid asumu smurfrobot jp hive-mind cky cromachina greaser|q lolcow webshinra rotty k
2017-12-18T01:24:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETowavmxy: oleo Kkiro emacsomancer hive-mind akkad webshinra marvin3 khisanth_ LeoNerd Riastradh ArneBab_ jp Steverman ericmathison NaNDude jcowan mlaine daviid smurfrobot X-Scale fgudin danly pjb astronavt dsp badkins jao pchrist rotty peterhil wigu
2017-12-18T01:24:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnhteifbizh: pjb groovy2shoes Menche NaNDude marvin3 fgudin X-Scale Riastradh asumu astronavt terpri webshinra greaser|q daviid rotty khisanth_ dsp pierpa cromachina kvda LeoNerd nckx smurfrobot ericmathison Fare ArneBab_ mario-goulart badkins jp vicenteH jcob pilne dustyweb hive-mind akk
2017-12-18T01:24:23Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnxzpc: asumu Menche iskander ozzloy_ NaNDude rotty kvda fgudin jao mlaine danly ericmathison akkad jp jcob smurfrobot jcowan astronavt ertes lolcow daviid nckx dsp Riastradh dustyweb pchrist Kryo Steverman ArneBab_ wigust_ mario-goulart tolja greaser|q pilne webshinra pierpa hive-mind pj
2017-12-18T01:24:27Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETjdmdsljg: sethalves marvin3 lolcow groovy2shoes khisanth_ Menche iskander Kryo wasamasa terpri kvda asumu ericmathison pilne fgudin wigust_ webshinra daviid emacsomancer dustyweb dsp greaser|q nckx Fare vicen
2017-12-18T01:24:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETildnlzhcou: jcob sethalves lolcow NaNDude daviid badkins X-Scale Riastradh akkad pilne ertes jim Steverman dsp emacsomancer ArneBab_ khisanth_ jcowan pjb pchrist groovy2shoes acarrico ericmathison greaser|q peterhil kvda Menche nckx jp hive-mind Kkiro webshi
2017-12-18T01:24:37Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpcrswkrtm: Riastradh ertes wasamasa greaser|q acarrico pierpa jp ArneBab_ badkins cky jim pchrist peterhil fgudin Fare emacsomancer terpri lolcow vicenteH X-Scale iskander groovy2shoes Kryo Steverman mlaine akkad nckx asumu ericmathison rotty dustyweb Menche wigust_ hive-mind mario-goula
2017-12-18T01:24:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETizejylbkiv: pchrist jcowan peterhil badkins Kkiro vicenteH cromachina pilne Steverman hive-mind mario-goulart cky marvin3 Riastradh Menche mlaine lolcow LeoNerd kvda jim tolja X-Scale daviid jp Fare astronavt wigust_ dustyweb terpri ertes fgudin Kr
2017-12-18T01:24:47Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETnadogis: groovy2shoes wigust_ khisanth_ jim lolcow mario-goulart akkad Kkiro ericmathison cky Riastradh pilne LeoNerd mlaine smurfrobot Menche vicenteH asumu pierpa kvda sethalves badkins peterhil danly ertes Steverman wasamasa NaNDude pjb jcowan marvin3 hive-mind cro
2017-12-18T01:24:52Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETcwkkp: astronavt hive-mind khisanth_ badkins tolja mario-goulart jcowan rotty jcob webshinra daviid Kryo terpri ertes smurfrobot pilne oleo ArneBab_ nckx jim Kkiro wasamasa ericmathison ozzloy_ cromachina wigust_ danly peterhil lolcow mlaine dsp X-Scale iskander Fare
2017-12-18T01:24:57Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwggjmnoqpv: wasamasa jao ArneBab_ pchrist pierpa lolcow acarrico mlaine oleo jcob fgudin emacsomancer mario-goulart iskander badkins khisanth_ ertes marvin3 jim smurfrobot cromachina tolja cky ericmathison nc
2017-12-18T01:25:02Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETkeeaotmu: hive-mind cromachina Kryo Steverman tolja badkins rotty nckx jcowan jim pilne webshinra danly mlaine wasamasa oleo pierpa peterhil X-Scale dsp daviid akkad vicenteH ozzloy_ jcob pchrist marvin3 sethalves acarrico astronavt Fare groovy2shoes ertes wigust_ khisanth_ NaN
2017-12-18T01:25:07Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETinzgww: jcowan ericmathison emacsomancer groovy2shoes wigust_ pchrist LeoNerd terpri Fare jcob Kkiro asumu lolcow astronavt wasamasa pjb jp mlaine iskander Steverman Menche greaser|q kvda jim sethalves akkad cromachina cky rotty nckx smur
2017-12-18T01:25:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETtoeyyjgng: jp marvin3 mlaine X-Scale ozzloy_ jcob greaser|q daviid fgudin cromachina tolja Fare smurfrobot Menche asumu hive-mind khisanth_ ArneBab_ Kkiro jim badkins astronavt pierpa nckx dustyweb
2017-12-18T01:25:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdhisl: hive-mind khisanth_ groovy2shoes Kkiro wasamasa nckx ArneBab_ greaser|q pierpa rotty mlaine Steverman jim smurfrobot oleo daviid emacsomancer acarrico pjb iskander LeoNerd mario-goulart cromachina Menche lolcow marvin3 jao terpri asumu wigust_ ertes jcowan jp jcob ericmathison web
2017-12-18T01:25:23Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETixihzknxp: marvin3 astronavt acarrico nckx Kryo tolja ericmathison pchrist jcowan ertes mario-goulart emacsomancer cromachina asumu jao daviid Kkiro webshinra khisanth_ cky sethalves Fare Riastradh ArneBab_ ozzloy_ jcob rotty jp wasamasa smurfrobot greaser|q pjb dsp N
2017-12-18T01:25:31Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETbawtnwox: jcowan oleo terpri Kryo fgudin ericmathison Menche ozzloy_ badkins cromachina acarrico rotty Fare ArneBab_ hive-mind jp pierpa daviid jao mario-goulart astronavt danly asumu greaser|q khisanth_ akkad pjb webshinra iskander kvda NaNDude emacsomancer Kkiro wigust_ wasam
2017-12-18T01:25:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETutmjjmih: mlaine khisanth_ NaNDude jao hive-mind cky jcob vicenteH jcowan Fare kvda jim sethalves Riastradh wasamasa asumu nckx Kryo akkad tolja peterhil pierpa dsp acarrico groovy2shoes jp pjb marvin3 mario-goulart iskander oleo pilne greaser|q smurfrobot Menche emacsomancer daviid astronavt Stev
2017-12-18T01:25:37Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETgsrmdefa: Riastradh jao acarrico tolja groovy2shoes astronavt dustyweb webshinra asumu marvin3 danly pierpa kvda pilne mario-goulart wasamasa rotty akkad jim ericmathison greaser|q nckx jcowan Steverman wigust_ mlaine ArneBab_ cky lolcow NaNDude ol
2017-12-18T01:25:42Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETaolrbgsevs: dustyweb cromachina wasamasa jp pilne Steverman groovy2shoes sethalves jim fgudin asumu jcob iskander oleo astronavt terpri jao cky khisanth_ akkad Fare mlaine Kkiro danly jcowan nckx Menche badkins kvda acarrico wigust_ X-Scale ertes greaser|q pchrist smu
2017-12-18T01:25:48Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvfphocywlz: wigust_ dsp pchrist oleo terpri smurfrobot jim pjb marvin3 jp asumu groovy2shoes Kkiro jao cromachina tolja peterhil acarrico mlaine Fare wasamasa cky pilne ArneBab_ X-Scale jcowan webshinra astronavt sethalves danly akkad emacsomancer
2017-12-18T01:25:55Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETwgytfvy: asumu cromachina jcob smurfrobot pierpa khisanth_ rotty X-Scale astronavt kvda cky jcowan peterhil jp mario-goulart fgudin acarrico tolja Kkiro greaser|q daviid dustyweb Riastradh Menche ericmathison Fare emacsomancer pjb ertes iskander oleo danly lolcow nckx
2017-12-18T01:26:01Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvnjkakjdyg: ericmathison cky pierpa daviid dustyweb wasamasa rotty khisanth_ greaser|q asumu NaNDude pchrist danly ertes nckx kvda cromachina emacsomancer acarrico smurfrobot iskander X-Scale badkins peterhil akkad Steverman jcob Riastradh Kkiro Menche jp ArneBab_ wigust_ groovy2shoes astronavt Kr
2017-12-18T01:26:04Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETthpwddj: cky lolcow ericmathison webshinra LeoNerd danly wigust_ Kryo ozzloy_ vicenteH badkins pierpa tolja asumu marvin3 khisanth_ astronavt pchrist jim akkad pjb ertes dustyweb ArneBab_ greaser|q sethalves oleo Steverman mlaine fgudin kvda dsp Menche jcob
2017-12-18T01:26:08Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmcbygwrqiz: ericmathison pierpa danly lolcow dsp jcob vicenteH LeoNerd nckx Menche wigust_ cky jp daviid pilne oleo ozzloy_ Kryo wasamasa asumu peterhil X-Scale mlaine fgudin sethalves NaNDude Steverman iskander groovy2shoes Kki
2017-12-18T01:26:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETaxyab: rotty sethalves kvda pchrist Kkiro Riastradh daviid cromachina danly smurfrobot ozzloy_ badkins jcowan hive-mind nckx asumu dustyweb jim Fare jcob lolcow wasamasa pjb LeoNerd greaser|q astronavt groovy2shoes mlaine jp mario-goulart ertes oleo pierpa Steverman Menche jao
2017-12-18T01:26:21Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxebytyhf: jao dustyweb NaNDude astronavt Riastradh hive-mind tolja groovy2shoes pchrist ozzloy_ acarrico Menche wigust_ oleo Fare jp ArneBab_ cromachina akkad Kryo LeoNerd mario-goulart daviid greaser|q nckx Kkiro dsp terpri pjb pilne wasamasa cky khisanth_ kvda sethalves vicen
2017-12-18T01:26:23Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrsfdxnc: acarrico danly dustyweb badkins Riastradh ArneBab_ dsp sethalves Fare iskander cky ericmathison hive-mind groovy2shoes greaser|q Kryo mario-goulart webshinra Kkiro jcob smurfrobot akkad peterhil pjb mlaine pchrist vicenteH marvin3 khisanth
2017-12-18T01:26:28Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEThrzfecnj: ertes danly dsp hive-mind Menche ericmathison vicenteH dustyweb pjb marvin3 acarrico kvda peterhil khisanth_ rotty wigust_ jcowan pchrist emacsomancer akkad pierpa terpri daviid Riastradh jcob pilne tolja ozzloy_ cky astronavt oleo LeoNerd Kryo Fare nckx Kkiro sethalves asumu S
2017-12-18T01:26:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvslltnc: akkad terpri Riastradh Kkiro ArneBab_ jim oleo fgudin daviid danly X-Scale greaser|q tolja ozzloy_ lolcow Menche Fare rotty groovy2shoes nckx kvda acarrico webshinra iskander LeoNerd marvin3 ertes jcowan dsp j
2017-12-18T01:26:38Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETpbdxoi: iskander marvin3 Kkiro kvda mario-goulart vicenteH astronavt pchrist dsp webshinra ArneBab_ Menche Fare badkins oleo wasamasa nckx lolcow terpri ericmathison tolja ozzloy_ fgudin rotty pjb danly daviid peterhil NaNDude Kryo asumu akkad mlaine groovy2shoes hive
2017-12-18T01:26:43Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETxftvskou: mario-goulart webshinra wasamasa akkad vicenteH NaNDude pilne kvda oleo dustyweb fgudin nckx astronavt greaser|q hive-mind ozzloy_ jim danly groovy2shoes ertes Riastradh Kkiro pierpa khisanth_ Mench
2017-12-18T01:26:49Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEThvpgbgv: sethalves dustyweb webshinra Kkiro ertes iskander pilne hive-mind cromachina Fare pierpa badkins LeoNerd Riastradh pchrist Kryo pjb ArneBab_ jim Menche cky rotty tolja ozzloy_ daviid peterhil Steverman jp terpri jcob acarrico akkad mlaine jcowan oleo danly khisanth_ asumu wasama
2017-12-18T01:26:49Z groovy2shoes quit (Quit: moritura te saluto)
2017-12-18T01:26:53Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmgiziyv: iskander webshinra mario-goulart greaser|q lolcow sethalves Kkiro pjb jcob mlaine khisanth_ akkad marvin3 cky Kryo dustyweb danly ertes daviid nckx cromachina vicenteH X-Scale peterhil emacsomancer pilne Menche astronav
2017-12-18T01:26:58Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETuxautb: cromachina Steverman smurfrobot nckx cky asumu jao jp badkins pchrist tolja ArneBab_ X-Scale danly Kkiro peterhil greaser|q groovy2shoes mario-goulart Fare oleo pjb iskander wasamasa dustyweb fgudin rotty webshinra jim astronavt ericmathison vicenteH
2017-12-18T01:27:03Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETabzdxcu: jcowan mario-goulart ertes jcob pilne X-Scale wigust_ Menche emacsomancer terpri rotty peterhil pierpa astronavt badkins cky akkad fgudin Riastradh ozzloy_ LeoNerd ArneBab_ vicenteH wasamasa kvda danly jim sethalves nckx Steverma
2017-12-18T01:27:08Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdmryi: pjb pilne ertes ozzloy_ vicenteH jao terpri jim rotty X-Scale jcob ArneBab_ hive-mind Menche emacsomancer akkad fgudin Riastradh wasamasa mario-goulart jp webshinra Fare cromachina dsp pierpa ericmathison sethalves smurfrobot Steve
2017-12-18T01:27:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETecvyowalsf: greaser|q tolja dsp daviid pierpa Steverman oleo danly hive-mind cky dustyweb pchrist NaNDude Riastradh jp Menche asumu cromachina ozzloy_ Kryo jcob mlaine astronavt khisanth_ Fare wigust_ jcowan jao rotty
2017-12-18T01:27:17Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETgufwgod: pchrist greaser|q lolcow terpri akkad jcowan pjb dustyweb pierpa jim Fare wasamasa danly LeoNerd acarrico khisanth_ dsp oleo Kkiro tolja ArneBab_ iskander cromachina marvin3 fgudin ertes jao hive-mind pilne vicenteH daviid X-Scale Kryo astronavt jp
2017-12-18T01:27:23Z daviid left #scheme
2017-12-18T01:27:24Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETkvmqcmy: lolcow jp wigust_ mlaine dustyweb oleo jcob Menche sethalves ericmathison khisanth_ groovy2shoes ArneBab_ hive-mind rotty wasamasa terpri Steverman NaNDude pierpa kvda ertes jcowan jim vicenteH danly Fare astronavt akka
2017-12-18T01:27:28Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETerjxyuh: fgudin Riastradh daviid acarrico X-Scale tolja Kkiro badkins ericmathison lolcow asumu jao khisanth_ emacsomancer cromachina jp ArneBab_ pilne cky nckx groovy2shoes pjb oleo dsp jim wasamasa NaNDude
2017-12-18T01:27:33Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETuowdldv: akkad lolcow vicenteH jim wigust_ smurfrobot Menche marvin3 jcob astronavt emacsomancer sethalves X-Scale ertes jao daviid cromachina peterhil groovy2shoes rotty iskander wasamasa LeoNerd asumu tolja jcowan pc
2017-12-18T01:27:37Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdffsxff: Kkiro jcob jim ertes jcowan Riastradh khisanth_ jp LeoNerd dustyweb jao emacsomancer X-Scale mario-goulart peterhil greaser|q astronavt terpri asumu Steverman iskander cky kvda nckx mlaine wasamasa Menche cromachina pchrist badkins danly sethalves vicenteH ozzloy_ ArneBab_ pilne
2017-12-18T01:27:43Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETfluewvg: oleo rotty mario-goulart jp ertes Fare ericmathison cromachina ArneBab_ iskander pchrist daviid LeoNerd X-Scale jcob terpri dustyweb jim wasamasa Kkiro akkad asumu nckx NaNDude groovy2shoes Riastradh peterhil wigust_ cky mlaine badkins Kryo sethalves pierpa Menche vice
2017-12-18T01:27:49Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmnhmyw: ertes cky Menche ozzloy_ marvin3 astronavt jim Kkiro Fare jp ArneBab_ cromachina terpri NaNDude asumu fgudin Steverman ericmathison rotty peterhil jcowan emacsomancer LeoNerd jcob jao pilne hive-mind dsp pchrist pjb lolcow Kryo gr
2017-12-18T01:27:49Z Steverman left #scheme
2017-12-18T01:27:53Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETyabqww: Fare dustyweb nckx wigust_ dsp Steverman jcob Riastradh danly rotty ozzloy_ astronavt cky daviid emacsomancer oleo ertes acarrico X-Scale akkad asumu greaser|q jcowan jp jim Menche iskander vicenteH lolcow sethalves smurfrobot web
2017-12-18T01:27:58Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETftrozfr: terpri X-Scale rotty emacsomancer dsp nckx webshinra ozzloy_ Kryo Steverman cromachina Riastradh khisanth_ asumu mario-goulart pierpa marvin3 vicenteH jim fgudin oleo greaser|q pjb iskander peterhil wigust_ pilne jp akkad ArneBab_ Menche ertes cky jcowan LeoNerd kvda d
2017-12-18T01:28:03Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETydrggud: tolja iskander ozzloy_ vicenteH pilne sethalves hive-mind smurfrobot ArneBab_ mario-goulart terpri wigust_ X-Scale greaser|q marvin3 ertes emacsomancer acarrico nckx jcob akkad jao kvda dustyweb fgudin pchrist groovy2sh
2017-12-18T01:28:09Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNEToghlszb: LeoNerd kvda greaser|q badkins cky emacsomancer dustyweb acarrico jcowan Kryo astronavt smurfrobot akkad danly fgudin pilne pierpa sethalves peterhil oleo asumu daviid mario-goulart jim dsp pchrist NaNDude ericmathison Menche rotty Fare webshinra jao wasamasa Kkiro isk
2017-12-18T01:28:12Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmhpftpnxd: mario-goulart mlaine jp acarrico jcowan cromachina Menche greaser|q LeoNerd peterhil ericmathison wasamasa astronavt groovy2shoes asumu ertes daviid webshinra hive-mind wigust_ marvin3 Kkiro ArneBab_ sethalves emacsomancer jao oleo khisanth_ ozzloy_ akkad terpri vicenteH Kryo
2017-12-18T01:28:18Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETiwdgcdjo: marvin3 ozzloy_ wigust_ iskander smurfrobot ericmathison Fare vicenteH terpri rotty cky acarrico wasamasa nckx hive-mind ArneBab_ oleo asumu pierpa daviid jao jcob LeoNerd NaNDude greaser|q cromachina jim akkad Menche
2017-12-18T01:28:22Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETmuumsap: NaNDude Kryo jao badkins Riastradh pjb cky webshinra ozzloy_ rotty mario-goulart Menche hive-mind cromachina asumu LeoNerd greaser|q oleo wasamasa nckx lolcow tolja ericmathison groovy2shoes pchrist vicenteH jim acarrico fgudin smurfrobot danly Fare Steverman dustyweb daviid pilne ertes j
2017-12-18T01:28:27Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETugfwfdap: terpri Kryo daviid Fare fgudin mario-goulart jcob rotty Steverman ArneBab_ emacsomancer webshinra tolja badkins jim ericmathison vicenteH Kkiro Riastradh asumu pilne nckx astronavt cromachina jcowan marvin3 o
2017-12-18T01:28:32Z torvil_aw960: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETdpfrebez: jcowan mlaine badkins nckx rotty dustyweb jim cky Steverman ozzloy_ wasamasa X-Scale jcob smurfrobot Riastradh mario-goulart fgudin tolja Kryo kvda akkad pilne acarrico greaser|q Kkiro asumu ericmathison khis
2017-12-18T01:28:34Z Riastradh: Bah.
2017-12-18T01:28:36Z torvil_aw960 [~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh] has been kicked from #scheme by Riastradh (torvil_aw960)
2017-12-18T01:29:07Z aeth: that's a lot of spam
2017-12-18T01:29:24Z Riastradh: Whackamole.  Probably a botnet.
2017-12-18T01:29:30Z aeth: If that's the guy's channel, is this violating the YouTube ToS? Can we get him shut down?
2017-12-18T01:29:33Z aeth: That would be funny if we could.
2017-12-18T01:30:03Z aeth: "Congrats you informed everyone about your terrible YouTube channel, including Google."
2017-12-18T01:30:24Z Riastradh: Probably the YouTube channel of a victim.
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2017-12-18T01:31:36Z aeth: Btw, I wouldn't recommend going there if anyone is reading my message. (1) the spammer will win with increased traffic and this will encourage future attacks and (2) in the unlikely event that that someone is a bad guy with a JS 0-day that affected YouTube, this is probably one effective way to spread it
2017-12-18T01:32:03Z Riastradh: Yes -- bad idea to follow a spammer's link.
2017-12-18T01:32:14Z aeth: (3) it might not even be YouTube. It could be using some unicode symbol that has a different o or something, unless that attack vector is fixed
2017-12-18T01:33:55Z aeth: (or the YouTube video is just a way to refer to the malware site somehow)
2017-12-18T01:34:29Z aeth: (1% go to the YouTube site, 1% of those go to the other site, and 1% of those get pwned, and it'd still be effective for a spammer... be paranoid about links)
2017-12-18T01:34:58Z aeth: The phone number definitely could be the phone number of a victim.
2017-12-18T01:35:46Z aeth: The whole thing could just be a way for the spammer to get dozens/hundreds of angry people to call a phone number of someone the spammer doesn't like.
2017-12-18T01:36:00Z Riastradh: I contacted Freenode staff, but I'm only watching a few channels.  Run `/quote stats p' if you want to see which staff are active right now.
2017-12-18T01:36:28Z aeth: nearly every channel I'm in has been hit to some extent, if it's not a tiny channel of 3 people
2017-12-18T01:36:46Z aeth: When one gets hit, another one channel gets the spam
2017-12-18T01:37:11Z aeth: I also got invited to an offensive channel name by one of the spammers.
2017-12-18T01:37:35Z Riastradh: Contact a staffer about it, for now that should work.
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2017-12-18T02:28:06Z Fare: Does it actually "work"? Do they actually recruit more idiots this way?
2017-12-18T02:28:53Z Riastradh: Not clear what they're trying to accomplish.
2017-12-18T02:29:16Z Riastradh: Maybe it propagates via some vector in YouTube's ad delivery.  Maybe the telephone number and YouTube channel are owned by a victim.
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2017-12-18T05:49:13Z Menche glances at scrollback, holy crap :P
2017-12-18T05:50:22Z Menche: I've seen that type of spamming before, but they managed to hit this channel extra hard
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2017-12-18T06:20:49Z aeth: This and #lispcafe were hit the hardest, at least of the channels I'm in
2017-12-18T06:21:53Z wasamasa: lol, #lispcafe
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2017-12-18T07:29:49Z weinholt: the spambot didn't hilight me and now i feel like i've missed out
2017-12-18T07:34:25Z nalkri hands weinholt some spam
2017-12-18T07:34:28Z nalkri: Better?
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2017-12-18T08:53:10Z weinholt: nalkri, yes
2017-12-18T08:53:20Z nalkri: I helped! :D
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2017-12-18T10:33:42Z aeth: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ http://community.schemewiki.org/ weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt weinholt
2017-12-18T10:33:45Z aeth: How about that?
2017-12-18T10:34:34Z aeth: Oh, I forgot to put in a phone number, too. Imagine a Scheme relevant phone number. The Scheme hotline, perhaps.
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2017-12-18T19:24:29Z justinethier: Very confused about return value of (string-ref "äëïöü" 0). Isn't the first octet of the string \xC3\x83 which decodes to à ? Why would this be expected to return #\ä
2017-12-18T19:24:59Z ecraven: justinethier: hey ;) I'm guessing it's supposed to return the first character, not octet
2017-12-18T19:25:03Z Riastradh: Heh.
2017-12-18T19:25:06Z Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh
2017-12-18T19:25:06Z ecraven: also, you seem to use latin-1, I can't read that
2017-12-18T19:25:49Z justinethier: hmm, i mean first char, sorry about that
2017-12-18T19:25:52Z Riastradh: The whole Scheme world is confused about what the Scheme `string' is supposed to be and how string literals work for anything outside US-ASCII and it's a mess, so you'll have to specify a little more context.
2017-12-18T19:26:40Z ecraven: Riastradh: is "what should string-ref return" really too little context? (honest question)
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2017-12-18T19:27:14Z ecraven: r7rs says "The =string-ref= procedure returns character /k/ of /string/ using zero-origin indexing."
2017-12-18T19:27:14Z Riastradh: It should return a Scheme character, that's for sure.
2017-12-18T19:27:21Z justinethier: this is literally a copy and paste from ecraven's comment: 2017-12-13T20:01:13Z ecraven: I'm guessing (string-ref "äëïöü" 0) should #\ä?
2017-12-18T19:27:31Z justinethier: my apologies for the formatting
2017-12-18T19:27:33Z Riastradh: Are strings sequences of octets, or UTF-8 sequences, or Unicode code point sequences, or what?
2017-12-18T19:27:38Z ecraven: justinethier: does it look ok for you?
2017-12-18T19:27:56Z ecraven: for me, it's just A-tildes interspersed with other characters
2017-12-18T19:27:58Z justinethier: from what I can tell
2017-12-18T19:28:21Z Riastradh: Historically they were more or less sequences of octets, maybe intended to be understood as ISO-8859-1 sequences.
2017-12-18T19:28:46Z Riastradh: In some Scheme systems they are still arbitrary sequences of octets.  In others they are UTF-8 octet sequences.  In others they are Unicode code point sequences.
2017-12-18T19:28:49Z justinethier: well, that's what I see from the original logs. I suppose you pasted something meaningful, though?
2017-12-18T19:28:50Z ecraven: my icyc 0.6.3 says:  (string-ref "öäü" 0) -> #\Ã  but should say #\ö, I'd say
2017-12-18T19:29:20Z ecraven: Riastradh: does r7rs really not say what the "characters" in a string are supposed to be? anything *but* unicode codepoints seems illogical to me
2017-12-18T19:29:43Z justinethier: ecraven: ah, that might be the problem. UTF-8 support wasn't added until 0.7
2017-12-18T19:29:51Z weinholt: "äëïöü" should probably be "äëïöü", except it has been converted from iso-8859-1 to utf-8 twice
2017-12-18T19:29:53Z Riastradh: I don't think random access sequences of Unicode code points is really all that useful, to be honest.  Maybe that's what the R7RS specifies; I haven't read it.
2017-12-18T19:30:02Z justinethier: would it be possible for you to test using a more recent version? :)
2017-12-18T19:30:11Z ecraven: justinethier: of course, just let me recompile ;)
2017-12-18T19:30:20Z justinethier: ecraven: awesome, thank you!
2017-12-18T19:30:49Z ecraven: Riastradh: but iterating over the codepoints-as-characters in a string is vastly more useful than iterating over the octets, no?
2017-12-18T19:31:08Z Riastradh: _Iterating_ does not require random access.
2017-12-18T19:31:21Z ecraven: yes, but r7rs does not specify any way to iterate except string-ref
2017-12-18T19:32:11Z Riastradh: Could do something like (let ((i* (string-cp-next s i))) ...).
2017-12-18T19:32:21Z ecraven: well, there's `string-map' and `string-for-each', but I'd expect them to behave analogously to `string-ref'
2017-12-18T19:32:24Z Riastradh: This is approximately what Gauche does, if I recall correctly.
2017-12-18T19:32:49Z ecraven: Riastradh: yes, but that would mean there's no way to access actual codepoints in (only) r7rs.
2017-12-18T19:33:01Z ecraven: jcowan: ^ could you clarify what the intentions were?
2017-12-18T19:33:10Z Riastradh: Don't take what I say as anything about the intent of the R7RS!
2017-12-18T19:33:35Z Riastradh: Trust what you've read, not what I haven't read.
2017-12-18T19:33:48Z justinethier: With most recent Cyclone - cyclone> (string-ref "öäü" 0) => #\ö
2017-12-18T19:33:59Z ecraven: Riastradh: sorry, I didn't mean to imply that, to me it just seems the only logical conclusion to understand the (not entirely clear) wording in r7rs to mean that characters in strings are codepoints, not octets
2017-12-18T19:34:31Z justinethier: chars in strings have to be codepoints
2017-12-18T19:34:34Z ecraven: justinethier: yep, same here ;)
2017-12-18T19:34:36Z justinethier: otherwise it makes no sense
2017-12-18T19:34:46Z justinethier: so it works.....? :)
2017-12-18T19:34:50Z ecraven: justinethier: tell that to all the implementations where you get octets back ;)
2017-12-18T19:34:55Z ecraven: justinethier: I would say it works as expected
2017-12-18T19:35:01Z ecraven: let me try some non-bmp character ;)
2017-12-18T19:35:02Z justinethier: ecraven: thanks for verifying
2017-12-18T19:35:05Z justinethier: hehe
2017-12-18T19:35:41Z ecraven: yep, (string-ref "😀" 0) -> #\😀
2017-12-18T19:35:46Z ecraven: thumbs up ;)
2017-12-18T19:35:53Z justinethier: thanks :)
2017-12-18T19:36:00Z justinethier: well, if an implementation doesn't include utf8/unicode support then you only get octets
2017-12-18T19:36:18Z justinethier: I think unicode support is optional in r7rs though
2017-12-18T19:36:21Z ecraven: well... I don't quite see why. you don't need full unicode tables support to decode codepoints
2017-12-18T19:36:28Z justinethier: strongly recommended, perhaps?
2017-12-18T19:36:33Z ecraven: I'm not talking about upcasing and normalization and whatever
2017-12-18T19:36:47Z ecraven: but you should at least correctly decode utf8 into codepoints, that takes no extra memory
2017-12-18T19:37:02Z jcowan: ecraven: the iterators might or might not be implemented using string-ref
2017-12-18T19:37:17Z jcowan: in a utf8 representation it would be better if they didn't
2017-12-18T19:37:26Z ecraven: jcowan: but does it say anywhere that the elements of a string are codepoints, not octets?
2017-12-18T19:37:38Z ecraven: or is that deliberately left unspecified (thus rendering strings totally non-portable)?
2017-12-18T19:38:08Z jcowan: the elements of a string are characters, and there is a 1:1 mapping between characters and codepoints
2017-12-18T19:38:24Z jcowan: I think you are saying "codepoint" and meaning "code unit"
2017-12-18T19:38:40Z ecraven: that might well be :-)
2017-12-18T19:38:45Z jcowan: Scheme provides no portable access to code units
2017-12-18T19:39:03Z justinethier: there is string->utf8
2017-12-18T19:39:19Z ecraven: but doesn't that render strings non-portable? if one implementation returns octet-characters on string-ref and another returns codepoint-characters, how is code supposed to work on both?
2017-12-18T19:39:29Z ecraven: justinethier: yes, that means I have to implement my own string library that does utf-8 decoding
2017-12-18T19:40:01Z justinethier: right, which is a non-starter
2017-12-18T19:40:23Z jcowan: string->utf8 does whatever is necessary to make native strings into bvs that represent the utf8 encoding
2017-12-18T19:42:11Z jcowan: thus if the native encoding is latin-2, then the natural (but not required) approach is to have a mapping table from latin-2 to unicode codepoints and then represent those codepoints as utf8.
2017-12-18T19:43:01Z jcowan: strings are non-portable in the sense that there are no guarantees which characters are allowed in strings (except that ASCII repertoire minus NUL must be representable)
2017-12-18T19:43:41Z jcowan: but the representation (as opposed to the repertoire) could be anything at all
2017-12-18T19:43:49Z ecraven: hm.. so if I actually want to reliably work with utf-8 strings, I have to build my own library on top of bytevectors?
2017-12-18T19:43:59Z ecraven: with my own character type as well?
2017-12-18T19:44:15Z ecraven: never realized this before :-/
2017-12-18T19:44:18Z justinethier: or only use schemes that support unicode?
2017-12-18T19:44:35Z ecraven: well, most correctly do ;) so it isn't so much of a problem in practice
2017-12-18T19:44:40Z gwatt: definitely the sanest approach
2017-12-18T19:45:04Z ecraven: gwatt: is that ironic? :P
2017-12-18T19:46:00Z gwatt: no?
2017-12-18T19:46:13Z gwatt: It's not supposed to be ironic
2017-12-18T19:46:37Z ecraven: maybe some future rnrs can just mandate unicode :-/
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2017-12-18T19:48:08Z jcowan: i hope so, spec r7rs-large
2017-12-18T19:48:54Z gwatt: r6rs mandated unicode...
2017-12-18T19:49:04Z jcowan: the feature full-unicode tells you if you have a unicode repertoire
2017-12-18T19:50:38Z jcowan: you can compile chibi with or without, fefault is with
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2017-12-18T19:59:14Z ecraven: jcowan: I'm not even mandating full support for the unicode tables, but at least proper "characters" should be simple to support
2017-12-18T19:59:46Z jcowan: agreed
2017-12-18T20:00:33Z jcowan: it really shouldn't cost anything to support all chars, either as immediates or as the featherweight pattern
2017-12-18T20:00:57Z jcowan: that's why r7rs has a concept of "chars forbidden in strings"
2017-12-18T20:01:19Z jcowan: and all serious tables are (deliberately) in the (scheme char) module
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2017-12-18T20:20:20Z ecraven: jcowan: which was a good decision, imho ;)
2017-12-18T20:21:04Z ecraven: I don't have a problem with embedded Schemes not supporting case-folding or normalization, but they should at least be able to correctly read utf-8 strings and allow access to their characters
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2017-12-18T20:21:14Z jcowan: thats what you may expect when i di the job :-)
2017-12-18T20:21:59Z ecraven: ;) I'm sorry if this came off as criticism, it's easy to critique, but much harder to collaborate usefully
2017-12-18T20:22:04Z Riastradh: Here's a very small UTF-8 decoder and validator, near the bottom: https://mumble.net/~campbell/hg/picopb/lib/libpicopb/pb.c
2017-12-18T20:22:12Z jcowan: np
2017-12-18T20:22:28Z wasamasa: "inspired"
2017-12-18T20:23:01Z ecraven: hehe
2017-12-18T20:23:06Z ecraven: Riastradh: thanks, that looks useful!
2017-12-18T20:23:25Z jcowan: politically, imposing unicode would have been impossible
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2017-12-18T20:35:01Z justinethier: cool, it's based on Bjoern Hoermann's decoder
2017-12-18T20:35:23Z justinethier: at least in part
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2017-12-18T22:24:01Z ecraven: do 6-byte long utf8 sequences still exist?
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2017-12-18T22:27:51Z gwatt: looks like no: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26545684/why-there-are-no-5-byte-and-6-byte-code-points-in-utf-8
2017-12-18T22:28:19Z ecraven: just wrote that decoder in scheme, and trying to test it ;)
2017-12-18T22:28:28Z ecraven: wikipedia says they are obsolete too, so I'll just ignore them in the test cases
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2017-12-18T22:37:35Z ecraven: is there a better approach to *encoding* utf-8 from codepoints than something like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4607413/c-library-to-convert-unicode-code-points-to-utf8?
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2017-12-19T02:39:04Z akkad: what is the scheme way to convert float to integer?
2017-12-19T02:39:29Z Riastradh: inexact->exact together with whichever of round/truncate/floor/ceiling you want
2017-12-19T02:39:52Z aeth: bah
2017-12-19T02:39:54Z aeth: beaten by seconds
2017-12-19T02:40:06Z aeth: The last four is what you want, though.
2017-12-19T02:40:18Z akkad: yeah inexact->exact 3.14 is a noop
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2017-12-19T02:41:03Z akkad: thanks
2017-12-19T02:41:40Z Riastradh: Strictly speaking, inexact->exact is not relevant to your inquiry, but most people expect what Scheme calls `inexact real' when talking about `float', and what Scheme calls `exact integer' when talking about `integer'.
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2017-12-19T02:42:44Z akkad: thanks for the clarification
2017-12-19T02:43:48Z akkad: all those yield 3. vs 3
2017-12-19T02:44:04Z Riastradh: (This system arises from an early earnest attempt to tag values, rather than computations, with their domains and exactness characteristics, which stuck in Scheme and ~nowhere else.)
2017-12-19T02:44:17Z Riastradh: akkad: 3. is notation for an inexact number, and 3 for an exact number.  Both are integers.
2017-12-19T02:44:26Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (round 3.14)
2017-12-19T02:44:29Z rudybot: Riastradh: your sandbox is ready
2017-12-19T02:44:29Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: 3.0
2017-12-19T02:44:36Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (inexact->exact (round 3.14))
2017-12-19T02:44:36Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: 3
2017-12-19T02:44:42Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (integer? (round 3.14))
2017-12-19T02:44:42Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #t
2017-12-19T02:44:45Z akkad: got it thanks. had to invert my inexact/exact
2017-12-19T02:44:46Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (integer? (inexact->exact (round 3.14)))
2017-12-19T02:44:46Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #t
2017-12-19T02:44:54Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (exact? (round 3.14))
2017-12-19T02:44:54Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #f
2017-12-19T02:45:00Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (exact? (inexact->exact (round 3.14)))
2017-12-19T02:45:00Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: #t
2017-12-19T02:45:40Z Riastradh: Round/truncate/floor/ceiling alter the numerical value, but preserve the exactness.
2017-12-19T02:46:08Z Riastradh: Just like every(?) other operation that is itself an exact computation.
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2017-12-19T02:46:47Z Riastradh: (In contrast, e.g., sqrt is usually not an exact computation, in the sense that by design, the numerical value of its result is usually slightly different from the real square root of its input.)
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2017-12-19T22:57:36Z mrm: Nope.
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2017-12-20T00:51:29Z fowlduck: mrm: just saw your response, thanks
2017-12-20T01:07:09Z akkad: so if you have a variable whos value is the name of a function you wish to invoke with apply, how do you deference it? is there a (apply (itern var) arg_list) equivalent?
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2017-12-20T01:15:40Z elly: akkad: eval maybe?
2017-12-20T01:15:53Z elly: ((eval (string->symbol "add1")) 3) -> 4
2017-12-20T01:16:21Z akkad: thanks
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2017-12-20T01:22:30Z akkad: perfect. thanks
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2017-12-20T08:19:53Z ecraven: is there an srfi defining something like `destructuring-bind' in CL? just rudimentary list binding?
2017-12-20T08:23:28Z wasamasa: I wouldn't be surprised if jcowan turned the library CHICKEN's matchable is based on into a SRFI
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2017-12-20T08:30:59Z ecraven: any idea how portable the source is?
2017-12-20T08:31:39Z ecraven: probably this http://synthcode.com/scheme/match.scm
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2017-12-20T08:34:11Z wasamasa: I don't see any mentions of specific scheme variants
2017-12-20T08:34:40Z wasamasa: oh, there is a cond-expand for chibi
2017-12-20T08:35:20Z ecraven: I think it's meant to be portable, I'll try how much of it works on mit later ;)
2017-12-20T08:35:33Z wasamasa: ;; A variant of this file which uses COND-EXPAND in a few places for performance can be found at http://synthcode.com/scheme/match-cond-expand.scm
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2017-12-20T21:22:24Z r\x00t: hey i exhausted the r7rs library namespace on gauche. this means that my project is halted
2017-12-20T21:22:54Z r\x00t: i looked to expand the heap but then its a local issue. doesnt affect the interactive environment
2017-12-20T21:25:02Z r\x00t: yes i declared enough variables inside libraries to exhaust allocated memory
2017-12-20T21:25:31Z r\x00t: what can i do besides patching compiler?
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2017-12-20T21:30:10Z r\x00t: i dont want to restart my project on another compiler, although i have few dependencies
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2017-12-20T21:31:26Z wasamasa: um, isn't gauche an interpreter
2017-12-20T21:31:40Z r\x00t: and an interpreter is a compiler
2017-12-20T21:32:10Z wasamasa: and lies are truth
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2017-12-20T21:32:43Z r\x00t: an interpreter is just an interactive compiler
2017-12-20T21:32:52Z r\x00t: that said, have you got any hints?
2017-12-20T21:33:08Z wasamasa: sorry, but your ramblings make little sense
2017-12-20T21:33:38Z r\x00t: ok hold on
2017-12-20T21:33:39Z wasamasa: there are no numbers, code or anything tractable to be seen
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2017-12-20T21:35:12Z r\x00t: Gauche apparently is declaring variables in a separately allocated space from the interactive environment
2017-12-20T21:35:23Z r\x00t: *library variables
2017-12-20T21:35:37Z r\x00t: i exhausted the environment
2017-12-20T21:35:45Z r\x00t: i declared too many variables
2017-12-20T21:35:49Z wasamasa: how many?
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t: *** ERROR: unbound variable: x
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t: Stack Trace:
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t: _______________________________________
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t:   0  x
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t:         [unknown location]
2017-12-20T21:36:10Z r\x00t:   1  (sigmoid-derivative x)
2017-12-20T21:36:14Z r\x00t:         at "(standard input)":305
2017-12-20T21:36:16Z r\x00t:   2  (define (sigmoid-derivative x) (matrix-map (lambda (y) (* y ( ...
2017-12-20T21:36:18Z r\x00t:         at "(standard input)":305
2017-12-20T21:36:20Z r\x00t:   3  (eval expr env)
2017-12-20T21:36:22Z r\x00t:         at "/usr/share/gauche-0.9/0.9.5/lib/gauche/interactive.scm":282
2017-12-20T21:36:31Z wasamasa: please use a pastebin next time
2017-12-20T21:36:40Z r\x00t: alright
2017-12-20T21:37:52Z r\x00t: i declared quite a few variables i dont want to count
2017-12-20T21:38:14Z r\x00t: but its part of the program i have no choice
2017-12-20T21:38:44Z wasamasa: I don't need the exact number, just the order of magnitude
2017-12-20T21:39:03Z r\x00t: 5 libraries hold on...
2017-12-20T21:39:16Z wasamasa: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof
2017-12-20T21:39:24Z r\x00t: crashes at 2 or 3 (even if i split)
2017-12-20T21:39:36Z wasamasa: libraries I assume
2017-12-20T21:39:42Z r\x00t: occams razor?
2017-12-20T21:40:37Z r\x00t: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM
2017-12-20T21:41:31Z elly: gauche should have a distinctive error message that prints when it runs out of memory
2017-12-20T21:41:34Z wasamasa: I expected something like a million variables...
2017-12-20T21:41:39Z elly: which would unmistakeably identify the problem
2017-12-20T21:41:40Z wasamasa: you must be shitting me
2017-12-20T21:41:42Z elly: do you see such a message?
2017-12-20T21:42:27Z r\x00t: its around 50 symbols for the first library
2017-12-20T21:43:06Z r\x00t: so the crashing number is maybe just above
2017-12-20T21:43:22Z r\x00t: id say probably either 64 or 128 variables
2017-12-20T21:43:31Z elly: there is no way that gauche can't handle those numbers of variable definitions
2017-12-20T21:43:44Z r\x00t: inside r7rs libraries?
2017-12-20T21:44:15Z r\x00t: it works fine if i declare inside the interactive environment beyond 2-3 libraries
2017-12-20T21:44:22Z r\x00t: otherwise it crashes
2017-12-20T21:44:40Z elly: please pastebin: a) what you're doing and b) the result you get
2017-12-20T21:44:40Z r\x00t: i tried every possible configuration to single that out
2017-12-20T21:45:45Z wasamasa: for starters, provide instructions what to do to run into the same issue
2017-12-20T21:46:27Z r\x00t: https://pastebin.com/pPRPhRR1
2017-12-20T21:47:02Z wasamasa: so you copy-paste the library into the repl?
2017-12-20T21:47:22Z r\x00t: yup
2017-12-20T21:47:25Z wasamasa: ...
2017-12-20T21:47:32Z wasamasa: did you consider that might be the problem?
2017-12-20T21:47:39Z r\x00t: i did
2017-12-20T21:47:53Z wasamasa: instead of like any normal person, loading it into the interpreter?
2017-12-20T21:48:17Z r\x00t: ok hold on
2017-12-20T21:48:24Z elly: oh, wow, okay
2017-12-20T21:49:41Z r\x00t: same problem
2017-12-20T21:49:45Z r\x00t: same crash
2017-12-20T21:50:05Z r\x00t: just less code to look at
2017-12-20T21:50:22Z wasamasa: again, give full reproduction instructions
2017-12-20T21:50:29Z r\x00t: i used load
2017-12-20T21:50:44Z wasamasa: do I really have to explain the meaning of full here...
2017-12-20T21:50:48Z r\x00t: same message as https://pastebin.com/pPRPhRR1
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2017-12-20T21:51:57Z wasamasa: like, I can do `gosh backpropagation.ss` fine, `gosh feedforward.ss` gives me an error because it can't find initialization, `gosh initialization.ss` works fine
2017-12-20T21:52:23Z elly: okay, I reproduced the error message you saw by pasting all that code into the repl
2017-12-20T21:52:32Z r\x00t: thank you
2017-12-20T21:52:42Z r\x00t: now you believe me?
2017-12-20T21:52:43Z wasamasa: one curious thing about that backtrace is that you got a prompt in the middle of copy-pasting
2017-12-20T21:52:57Z r\x00t: yes gauche does that
2017-12-20T21:53:17Z wasamasa: how is that to be expected?
2017-12-20T21:53:41Z r\x00t: seems like a threaded input/output display or something
2017-12-20T21:54:13Z r\x00t: not sure but gauche does stuff like that
2017-12-20T21:54:42Z r\x00t: by the way you cant declare more than 16 variables at a time with define-values
2017-12-20T21:54:43Z elly: this stuff that you pasted - is it available as a raw file somewhere?
2017-12-20T21:54:56Z r\x00t: yes
2017-12-20T21:54:59Z elly: instead of as part of this pastebin with the gosh prompt in it
2017-12-20T21:55:17Z r\x00t: https://github.com/abstractguy/LSTM
2017-12-20T21:55:42Z r\x00t: hold on i need to update git
2017-12-20T21:56:15Z elly: which file in this git repo is it?
2017-12-20T21:58:02Z elly: and yes it appears gauche's values is capped at 19 elements
2017-12-20T21:58:48Z elly: (although, at that point you should use a list, surely...? or multiple define forms)
2017-12-20T21:59:58Z r\x00t: there
2017-12-20T22:00:02Z r\x00t: its updated
2017-12-20T22:00:34Z r\x00t: yes i resorted to multiple define-values
2017-12-20T22:00:51Z elly: so, what do I do with this repo checked out? which file to I load into the repl
2017-12-20T22:01:24Z r\x00t: all of them
2017-12-20T22:01:35Z r\x00t: starting with structure.ss
2017-12-20T22:01:42Z r\x00t: then initialization.ss
2017-12-20T22:01:54Z r\x00t: then feedforward.ss
2017-12-20T22:02:02Z r\x00t: then backpropagation.ss
2017-12-20T22:02:07Z r\x00t: then tests.ss
2017-12-20T22:02:23Z r\x00t: but itll crash at backpropagation.ss
2017-12-20T22:02:32Z elly: it did, yes:
2017-12-20T22:02:33Z elly: *** ERROR: unbound variable: x
2017-12-20T22:02:33Z elly:     While loading "/Users/elly/s/LSTM/backpropagation.ss" at line 151
2017-12-20T22:03:04Z r\x00t: yup... :'(
2017-12-20T22:03:19Z elly: line 151 is actually just the last line of the input, though
2017-12-20T22:03:23Z elly: because the whole library is wrapped in a begin
2017-12-20T22:03:41Z r\x00t: thats right
2017-12-20T22:04:15Z r\x00t: but the "begin"s seem to share the same environment
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2017-12-20T22:05:09Z elly: that would be bizarre? they're in separate define-library forms
2017-12-20T22:05:25Z elly: I don't know how gauche's module system works but if it does work that way you should definitely switch to another implementation :P
2017-12-20T22:05:59Z r\x00t: please give me another answer
2017-12-20T22:06:07Z r\x00t: please?
2017-12-20T22:06:55Z r\x00t: maybe i could expand the heap with compile options. let me search
2017-12-20T22:07:00Z elly: there's no way it's a heap issue
2017-12-20T22:07:12Z elly: I loaded the first few files (before backpropagation.ss) and gosh is using 11MB of RAM
2017-12-20T22:07:17Z elly: it's using less RAM than the *shell* I ran it from
2017-12-20T22:07:38Z elly: even after failing to load backpropagate.ss it's still under 12MB
2017-12-20T22:07:53Z akkad: ss is an ending for which scheme?
2017-12-20T22:07:55Z elly: so, there's some other problem here, but I don't think it's out of any resource
2017-12-20T22:08:09Z elly: akkad: no idea, it's just the one I use
2017-12-20T22:08:13Z elly: some people use scm
2017-12-20T22:08:14Z akkad: ahh
2017-12-20T22:09:24Z r\x00t: so then its a hardcoded value
2017-12-20T22:09:24Z elly: anyway r\x00t: a) I don't think this is an OOM issue b) I don't think you're exhausting the number of variables you can define (in either case there would be an unmistakeable error message) c) your code is really difficult to follow & gauche is not giving useful errors
2017-12-20T22:10:05Z r\x00t: sorry for the Long Short-Term Memory
2017-12-20T22:10:15Z r\x00t: its a neural network
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2017-12-20T22:10:45Z Riastradh: r\x00t: Try simplifying your use of define-library until you can identify what the real problem is?
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2017-12-20T22:10:50Z gwatt: r\x00t: weren't you teurista or something a few days ago?
2017-12-20T22:10:58Z r\x00t: hehehe
2017-12-20T22:11:00Z wasamasa: yes, it's the same silly person
2017-12-20T22:11:08Z elly: r\x00t: it's not a hardcoded anything - I'm able to interactively define many more variables after failing to load your library
2017-12-20T22:11:08Z r\x00t: silly?
2017-12-20T22:11:22Z elly: your code is just broken and you need to debug it
2017-12-20T22:11:28Z wasamasa: I've yet to see any proper repro
2017-12-20T22:11:36Z elly: it repros for me, using the steps given above
2017-12-20T22:11:42Z elly: & using gauche 0.9.5
2017-12-20T22:12:02Z elly: but the error message is "unbound variable", not anything to do with memory or other resource exhaustion
2017-12-20T22:12:23Z Riastradh: elly: Maybe with too many variables it forgot some of them!  That's how memory works, right?
2017-12-20T22:12:32Z elly: [helpless shrug]
2017-12-20T22:12:50Z r\x00t: if i put everything from backpropagation.ss inside feedforward.ss it works
2017-12-20T22:12:50Z wasamasa: just for clarification, proper repro means something properly reproducable, ideally with a shell one-liner
2017-12-20T22:13:06Z wasamasa: r\x00t: so it's just you not using r7rs libraries correctly?
2017-12-20T22:13:28Z elly: *why* gauche says x is unbound is opaque to me but maybe someone else can say
2017-12-20T22:13:44Z Riastradh: r\x00t: Don't flail around -- write the simplest possible define-library in one file and try to use that.  Then write the simplest possible pair of define-library uses in two files, one importing from the other, and try to use that.
2017-12-20T22:13:56Z r\x00t: wasamasa: no its not my use of the libraries
2017-12-20T22:14:04Z Riastradh: ...
2017-12-20T22:14:12Z wasamasa: this is a lost cause
2017-12-20T22:14:43Z wasamasa: I won't get these braincells back, but maybe the program can give me new ones
2017-12-20T22:15:12Z r\x00t: Riastradh: i need all of structures.ss everywhere in the code though
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2017-12-20T22:15:36Z r\x00t: wasamasa: lol
2017-12-20T22:15:54Z r\x00t: and structures.ss is around 50 symbols
2017-12-20T22:15:57Z Riastradh: r\x00t: That's great.  You can build up to structures.ss once you've figured out what the issue is.
2017-12-20T22:16:17Z wasamasa: have you tried, like putting everything into one file, without any r7rs libraries?
2017-12-20T22:16:29Z r\x00t: wasamasa: yes and it works
2017-12-20T22:16:45Z wasamasa: so much about that crazy ass theory of gauche having an insanely low cap on defined variables
2017-12-20T22:16:55Z Riastradh: r\x00t: Have you tried putting everything into one define-library?
2017-12-20T22:17:03Z wasamasa: you mentioned occam's razor, yet fail to use it
2017-12-20T22:17:08Z r\x00t: Riastradh: yes
2017-12-20T22:17:42Z r\x00t: it works
2017-12-20T22:17:55Z wasamasa: FWIW, the proper way of modularizing a r7rs program is by putting the files into the locations your scheme implementation expects
2017-12-20T22:18:07Z r\x00t: but if i declare another library its symbols wont be bound
2017-12-20T22:18:10Z wasamasa: most went by expecting (foo bar) to resolve to foo/bar.sld
2017-12-20T22:18:12Z Riastradh: r\x00t: Great.  Have you tried moving definitions one at a time from one library to another?
2017-12-20T22:18:27Z r\x00t: Riastradh: yes i did all that
2017-12-20T22:18:43Z Riastradh: r\x00t: And as soon as you move one definition into another library it fails?
2017-12-20T22:18:56Z r\x00t: the newer library fails
2017-12-20T22:19:05Z elly: mostly unrelated: does anyone know of a good "r7rs libraries for people who know racket modules" type document?
2017-12-20T22:19:06Z r\x00t: everything in the former is fine
2017-12-20T22:19:24Z Riastradh: elly: Dunno!  I haven't been following in a long time.
2017-12-20T22:19:40Z wasamasa: elly: the problem is that while r7rs standardized a module system it didn't standardize how they map to actually loadable files
2017-12-20T22:19:53Z wasamasa: elly: so you'll have to figure out that part for every implementation
2017-12-20T22:20:04Z elly: how rnrs of them :P
2017-12-20T22:20:08Z wasamasa: some of which make it hard to impossible to actually use it
2017-12-20T22:20:10Z r\x00t: so beyond a certain number of symbols were declared in any library, a newer defined library wont get its symbols bound
2017-12-20T22:20:46Z wasamasa: elly: like, the r7rs in racket thing only works out with things installed via racket's package manager and that's seemingly impossible to get working with local files
2017-12-20T22:21:20Z Riastradh: r\x00t: If that's your hypothesis, you should be able to demonstrate it with one library that does `(define x0 0) (define x1 1) ... (define x60 60)' and another one that just does `(display x42)', and if you change x42 to x43 it would fail.
2017-12-20T22:21:27Z wasamasa: elly: or picrin where they didn't bother implementing this at all
2017-12-20T22:21:49Z wasamasa: elly: others require you to specify a load path, provide compiled files or use a specific extension
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2017-12-20T22:23:19Z r\x00t: Riastradh: not sure i understand
2017-12-20T22:24:38Z r\x00t: but then even if i rigorously prove by writing such libraries, would it help?
2017-12-20T22:25:41Z wasamasa: it would prove you're not wasting our time
2017-12-20T22:26:15Z r\x00t: im not sure i understand Riastradh's formulation
2017-12-20T22:26:23Z Riastradh: r\x00t: Write two libraries, a and b.
2017-12-20T22:26:29Z Riastradh: r\x00t: In a, (define x0 0).
2017-12-20T22:26:34Z Riastradh: r\x00t: In b, import a, and (display x0).
2017-12-20T22:26:43Z r\x00t: ok
2017-12-20T22:26:48Z Riastradh: If that doesn't work, stop there and figure out why.
2017-12-20T22:26:48Z elly: (til picrin)
2017-12-20T22:27:00Z Riastradh: If that does work, add (define x1 1) to a, and do (display x1) in b.
2017-12-20T22:27:15Z Riastradh: Then try adding up to (define x64 64) in a and (display x64) in b.
2017-12-20T22:27:47Z r\x00t: oh gosh
2017-12-20T22:27:59Z r\x00t: *oh gosh -r7
2017-12-20T22:28:16Z Riastradh: If that continues to work, you can conclude reasonably certainly that your hypothesis about number of variables is out the window.
2017-12-20T22:29:02Z r\x00t: and what would it mean besides ruling that out?
2017-12-20T22:29:27Z Riastradh: It would mean you'll have to think about other hypotheses about what might have gone wrong, and how else to diagnose your problem.
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2017-12-20T22:32:23Z r\x00t: i dont understand how displaying variables that were declared proves you cant declare more in the second library. id need to make 1 declaration then increase declarations
2017-12-20T22:32:50Z Riastradh: ...
2017-12-20T22:33:24Z wasamasa: Riastradh: do you feel your braincells dying?
2017-12-20T22:34:52Z r\x00t: *...then increase declarations in the first library successively
2017-12-20T22:35:21Z r\x00t: sorry had to answer an insisting friend and pressed enter too soon
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2017-12-20T22:36:22Z r\x00t: 1 declaration in the 2nd library and an increasing number in the 1st library until it crashes
2017-12-20T22:36:39Z r\x00t: is that what you want me to test?
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2017-12-20T23:15:01Z wasamasa: ok, I got it working
2017-12-20T23:15:12Z wasamasa: so as suspected, it's a library structuring issue
2017-12-20T23:15:23Z wasamasa: nothing to do with limits in gauche
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2017-12-20T23:16:35Z wasamasa: http://ix.io/DfI
2017-12-20T23:16:42Z wasamasa: http://ix.io/DfJ
2017-12-20T23:17:52Z wasamasa: so, the changes were putting all library files into a LSTM directory (because you export them as (LSTM foo)), changing the extension to .sld (.scm also works), changing tests.ss to import scheme stuff (and print out the LSTM to prove it works) and running it like `gosh -I. tests.ss`
2017-12-20T23:18:18Z elly: I'm puzzled that gosh gave a (spurious?) message about an unbound variable 'x' though
2017-12-20T23:18:28Z elly: it seems like it should instead be one of the other library exports
2017-12-20T23:18:38Z elly: perhaps macros are at play
2017-12-20T23:18:46Z wasamasa: let's not start with this
2017-12-20T23:18:51Z elly: okay :P
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2017-12-20T23:19:03Z wasamasa: remember occam's razor and the saying about idiots dragging you down to their level
2017-12-20T23:19:23Z wasamasa: accept that it's an oddity you'd rather not debug if you've actually got this thing working as expected
2017-12-20T23:20:13Z wasamasa: if you're interested into how to make this kind of thing work for more r7rs-capable schemes, check out https://github.com/kanaka/mal/tree/master/scheme and the makefile and run script
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2017-12-20T23:23:07Z elly: I'm not that interested honestly
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2017-12-20T23:23:31Z wasamasa: ah right, that kind of experience would put anyone off writing portable scheme code split across libraries
2017-12-20T23:24:13Z elly: I only really use racket, so :P
2017-12-20T23:24:24Z gwatt: heh
2017-12-20T23:24:42Z wasamasa: you might teach me how to make this trick work with racket
2017-12-20T23:24:59Z gwatt: just put racket in rnrs mode :-p
2017-12-20T23:25:11Z wasamasa: that doesn't magically fix their module system
2017-12-20T23:25:18Z gwatt: I'm joking
2017-12-20T23:26:00Z wasamasa: the few racket people I've met seemed less than enthusiastic to show me how to make raco submit to your wishes
2017-12-20T23:27:45Z gwatt: It has a man page! what more could you want?!
2017-12-20T23:27:59Z wasamasa: someone actually understanding it
2017-12-20T23:28:08Z elly: alas, I haven't used raco
2017-12-20T23:28:39Z wasamasa: you only used batteries?
2017-12-20T23:29:23Z gwatt: my favorite command from "raco help" is this:
2017-12-20T23:29:27Z gwatt: > demodularize         produce a whole program from a single module
2017-12-20T23:29:36Z gwatt: couldn't just call it "compile"
2017-12-20T23:29:40Z wasamasa: lol
2017-12-20T23:30:19Z jcowan_: I think it takes your module structure and turns it back into straight r5rs-ish code, so nothing to do with compiling as such
2017-12-20T23:30:29Z gwatt: though there's also an "exe" command which says "create executable"
2017-12-20T23:30:40Z gwatt: jcowan_: that could be
2017-12-20T23:31:34Z jcowan_: yes, that doesn't actually compile either, just creates a fake executable you can click on in Windows
2017-12-20T23:31:52Z jcowan_: could probably be replaced by a Powershell script nowadays
2017-12-20T23:32:34Z gwatt: there's also "distribute"
2017-12-20T23:33:12Z jcowan_: racket docs only say how to, never why or how it's done; for that you typically need to find the relevant plt paper
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2017-12-20T23:35:50Z jcowan: e.g. look at the docs for the algol60 language in racket at https://docs.racket-lang.org/algol60/index.html -- pitifully minimal
2017-12-20T23:36:58Z elly: there's an algol60 language!?
2017-12-20T23:37:12Z gwatt: yep
2017-12-20T23:37:17Z wasamasa: it's not called the report on the algorithmic language scheme for nothing
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2017-12-20T23:42:37Z pierpa: Racket's compile command can produce a small launcher OR a self-contained binary executable.
2017-12-20T23:43:47Z pierpa: both clickable from the windows shell
2017-12-20T23:44:12Z gwatt: self contained is a bit generous (not used racket on windows, but judging from the behavior on linux/macosx)
2017-12-20T23:45:39Z pierpa: self-contained as a single file that you can send to someone else who doesn't have racket installed and they can just click on the file and it will run. Isn't this self-contained enough?
2017-12-20T23:46:59Z gwatt: oh, well that's better than how it works on linux or macosx
2017-12-20T23:47:50Z pierpa: the command for generating the exe has quite a bit of options. Are you sure you selected the right one?
2017-12-20T23:49:09Z jcowan: i am going to propose a srfi, possibly for r7rs-large, that provides multilanguage support (but without specifying any particular languages)
2017-12-20T23:50:08Z jcowan: my model is that if the first line of a file is #!lang (module name) then that module is loaded by the compiler or interpreter, and it imports either read (if it is a repl) or read-all (if it wants to process the whole file at once) from that module.
2017-12-20T23:50:23Z gwatt: pierpa: http://gmw.xen.prgmr.com/pics/racket-exe.png
2017-12-20T23:50:44Z jcowan: then those can either be ordinary Scheme read and read-all for Scheme, or any transpiler you like
2017-12-20T23:51:08Z pierpa: gwatt: it looks same as windows
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2017-12-20T23:52:54Z gwatt: right, so if I pick the "distribution" option it produces a .tgz with a pile of files
2017-12-20T23:53:50Z pierpa: ok. I was misrememberring. On windows it produces a zip which must be unzipped. Then there's a file to click inside a directory.
2017-12-20T23:54:22Z pierpa: but it doesn't need anything outside of the directory
2017-12-20T23:57:29Z jcowan: algol60 had a report and a revised report and much later a modified report.
2017-12-20T23:57:33Z pierpa: jcowan: cool srfi!
2017-12-20T23:57:44Z jcowan: algol68 had a report and a revised report only
2017-12-20T23:57:55Z qu1j0t3 reports jcowan
2017-12-20T23:58:23Z gwatt revises jcowan
2017-12-20T23:59:12Z jcowan could use a revised arm, current one is cracked
2017-12-20T23:59:43Z gwatt: that's no fun
2017-12-20T23:59:49Z gwatt: what happened?
2017-12-20T23:59:53Z jcowan: fell on ice
2017-12-21T00:00:10Z gwatt: oof
2017-12-21T00:00:18Z elly: ow :|
2017-12-21T00:00:24Z elly: revised report on jcowan's arm
2017-12-21T00:00:49Z mrm: Have you tried using x86 instead?
2017-12-21T00:00:58Z pierpa: it's an arm32 or an arm64?
2017-12-21T00:02:10Z gwatt: soudns like an arm-1
2017-12-21T00:02:29Z qu1j0t3: a risk machine
2017-12-21T00:02:58Z pierpa: at least it has ICE
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2017-12-21T00:21:31Z jcowan_: this is an arm58
2017-12-21T00:21:56Z jcowan_: i also cracked a rib58
2017-12-21T00:22:09Z elly: yow
2017-12-21T00:22:43Z jcowan_: we old farts can be brittle
2017-12-21T00:24:53Z pierpa: oops. Sorry to read this John. Recover quickly.
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2017-12-21T01:04:13Z r\x00t: wasamasa: thanks. so you're saying that I should not invoke libraries inside other libraries that i write?
2017-12-21T01:07:10Z fowlduck: in sicp assignment 1 exercise 11 you're supposed to call this so that it returns 3. this feels like cheating but maybe I'm missing something https://gist.github.com/nate/ac5830e7308826399605ea5b210a51bc
2017-12-21T01:07:30Z r\x00t: but i use (LSTM structure) everywhere. how can i possibly not invoke it everywhere?
2017-12-21T01:08:08Z fowlduck: `(lambda (y) (y y))` seems like it would recurse forever...
2017-12-21T01:09:40Z fowlduck: it's possible I'm not thinking straight, I'm also sick right now... anyone want to take a stab at explaining what I'm wrong about?
2017-12-21T01:10:57Z fowlduck: I can see it must do *something* since the same `(lambda (y) (y y))` is used in the y combinator here https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Y_combinator#Scheme
2017-12-21T01:12:26Z r\x00t: fowl unless im too stoned to understand your code youre just outputting 3
2017-12-21T01:12:33Z fowlduck: that's the goal
2017-12-21T01:12:50Z r\x00t: talk about useless
2017-12-21T01:13:14Z fowlduck: "For each of the procedures defined below, give a Curried application of the procedure which evaluates to 3."
2017-12-21T01:13:15Z gwatt: fowlduck: depends on what `y' is in that context
2017-12-21T01:13:32Z fowlduck: it's possible I'm not understanding the exercise
2017-12-21T01:13:59Z fowlduck: the pdf doesn't let me copy/paste anywhere so here's a image of the exercise https://s3.amazonaws.com/monosnap.sutton.me/20171220191338-ps1_1.pdf_page_9_of_9.png
2017-12-21T01:14:28Z r\x00t: rudybot: eval ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x)))
2017-12-21T01:14:39Z rudybot: r\x00t: error: with-limit: out of time
2017-12-21T01:14:39Z fowlduck: just doing sicp for fun and this was one of the assignments linked on the mit page for it
2017-12-21T01:17:17Z r\x00t: i dont understand your assignment but you could just type 3 at the prompt
2017-12-21T01:18:48Z fowlduck: I thought maybe I was misunderstanding something that was obvious to others who aren't lisp noobs. guess not
2017-12-21T01:19:17Z fowlduck: I'll just move on. it's interesting but they didn't really explain currying in the text and this isn't for a class so I have no teacher to ask *shrug*
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2017-12-21T01:33:03Z elly: fowlduck: calling it with (lambda (x) 3) seems okay to me
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2017-12-21T01:47:26Z fowlduck: elly: I guess it seems like cheating to me because it doesn't engage that lambda in the function, which presumably has some purpose
2017-12-21T01:47:40Z fowlduck: but it's the last problem in a series, so maybe it's meant to be a trick problem
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2017-12-21T04:04:01Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEhjfqfnydi: GreaseMonkey cro__ lolcow snw sleffy elly khisanth_ iskander joast vicenteH jp gf3 dmiles bwv brend
2017-12-21T04:04:06Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEnlevuprhr: vicenteH marvin3 pe
2017-12-21T04:04:11Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEwbbhk: ericmathison sz0 acarrico MrBusiness averell hive-mind X-Scale
2017-12-21T04:04:15Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEztuhokrj: ertes X-Scale manumanumanu jco
2017-12-21T04:04:21Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEncthe: yosafbridge ArneBab_ iskander oleo MrBusiness wasamasa brendyn bwv vicent
2017-12-21T04:04:26Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEghlwtefac: oleo iskander peter
2017-12-21T04:04:31Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEoigfu: hive-mind fowlduck acarrico elly khisanth_ akkad zacts vicenteH qu1j0t3 j
2017-12-21T04:04:36Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODExtdjg: gf3 pchrist_ jp excelsior elly Blkt_ averell badkins cro__ peterhil epony terpri X-Scale marvin3 ericmathison was
2017-12-21T04:04:41Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEwypdcwy: acarrico oleo rotty jcob MrBusiness renopt JuanDaugherty zact
2017-12-21T04:04:46Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEuxysx: ericmathison renopt vicenteH snw LeoNerd ex
2017-12-21T04:04:52Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEopqjutzfp: pie_ emacsomancer jcob dmiles bwv elly
2017-12-21T04:04:56Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEdmsbptos: vicenteH akkad cmaloney hive-mind excels
2017-12-21T04:05:01Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEsfute: kwmiebach renopt iskander PyroLag
2017-12-21T04:05:07Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEpxrbonwovz: khisanth_ peterhil cky r\x00t MrBusiness GreaseMonkey yosa
2017-12-21T04:05:12Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEfjhzf: gf3 LeoNerd acarrico pie_ marvin3 jcowan dmiles emacsomancer bw
2017-12-21T04:05:17Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEttkenmyilr: acarrico lolcow fowlduck sleffy cro__ yosafbridge webshinra_ rotty A
2017-12-21T04:05:22Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEsvwypyham: averell pie_ rotty kwmiebach snw yosafbridge acarrico lolcow wasamasa JuanDaugherty PyroLagus ArneB
2017-12-21T04:05:26Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEuraqgwadxa: snw emacsomancer kwmiebach ertes ArneBab_ MrBusiness LeoNerd elly renopt pie_ lolcow X-Scale joast jcowan qu
2017-12-21T04:05:32Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEqwyhg: GreaseMonkey acarrico terpri sethalves lolcow elly dmiles cro__ kwmiebach ArneBab_ snw r\x00t ericmathison khisan
2017-12-21T04:05:37Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEdksprdx: evhan webshinra_ badkins jonaslund terpri khisanth_ renopt jc
2017-12-21T04:05:42Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEnvcru: elly cro__ MrBusiness G
2017-12-21T04:05:47Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEvpicnu: pie_ sleffy jcowan lolcow PyroLagus GreaseMonkey set
2017-12-21T04:05:52Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEprhrkd: vicenteH acarrico GreaseMonkey rotty oleo
2017-12-21T04:05:58Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEemrpaoke: dmiles Blkt_ iskander vicenteH sethalves
2017-12-21T04:06:02Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEbpshaa: r\x00t fowlduck epony MrBusiness iskander elly pie_ terpri ArneBab_ cky JuanDaugherty akkad brendyn snw oleo ren
2017-12-21T04:06:06Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEqizlyzlwp: evhan yosafbridge brendyn dmiles X-Scale snw excelsior terpri hive-mind zacts r
2017-12-21T04:06:11Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEiigwj: marvin3 ertes
2017-12-21T04:06:17Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEwyytmc: acarrico cky r\x00t jcowan evhan zacts cmaloney renopt kwmiebach vicenteH lolcow PyroLagus oleo joast
2017-12-21T04:06:22Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODExydpibu: marvin3 gf3
2017-12-21T04:06:27Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEbofpbjj: jcob JuanDaugherty ertes acarrico pie_ we
2017-12-21T04:06:32Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEcysrvvit: peterhil p
2017-12-21T04:06:34Z GreaseMonkey: do it in #freenode ya cuck
2017-12-21T04:06:36Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEicbhpohy: zacts sethalves badkins MrBusiness jp Ar
2017-12-21T04:06:42Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEetvpunepms: jonaslund brendyn ericmathis
2017-12-21T04:06:46Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEhbjwju: epony wasama
2017-12-21T04:06:52Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEoejrmukf: yosafbridge ArneBab_ Blkt_ elly epony hive-mind GreaseMonkey
2017-12-21T04:06:57Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEgzitvmesi: evhan Blkt_ jonaslund ertes akkad pie_ badkins terpri r\x00t oleo ave
2017-12-21T04:07:03Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEprdfchq: sethalves cmaloney averell dmiles khisanth_ evhan wasamasa badkins r\x00t gf3 akkad jcob LeoNerd X-Scale MrBusi
2017-12-21T04:07:08Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEenhrozvzvs: gf3 pchrist_ PyroLagus khisanth_ marvin3 jcob oleo ertes X-Scale zacts ArneBab
2017-12-21T04:07:13Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEunzqdsf: jonaslund pchrist_ badkins gf3 elly wasamasa akkad emacsomancer cmaloney pie_ hive-mind peterhil zact
2017-12-21T04:07:18Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEewtiywvw: ertes webshinra_ jcob excelsior hive-min
2017-12-21T04:07:23Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEzivvnr: acarrico vicenteH jcob ertes kwmiebach badkins dmile
2017-12-21T04:07:27Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEftxkwebrmm: wasamasa Blkt_ peterhil lolcow webshinra_ khisanth_ emacsomancer pie_ MrBusiness averell
2017-12-21T04:07:32Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEcztzjee: MrBusiness
2017-12-21T04:07:37Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEiygrdzlct: GreaseMonkey pchrist_ ericmathison jonaslund manumanumanu ArneBab_ ak
2017-12-21T04:07:41Z PyroLagus: lol
2017-12-21T04:07:42Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEyhegocwte: kwmiebach snw terpri gf3 yosafbridge el
2017-12-21T04:07:47Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErjgkii: jonaslund we
2017-12-21T04:07:51Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEdukflawgf: pchrist_ pie_ iskander vicent
2017-12-21T04:07:56Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODExbtivowk: LeoNerd sz0 cmaloney
2017-12-21T04:08:02Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEaftmdcr: akkad averell qu1j0t3 cky sleffy kwmiebach GreaseMo
2017-12-21T04:08:08Z hos674: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEpoolftbm: manumanumanu terpri oleo cmaloney gf3 excelsior qu1j0t3 jcob emacsoman
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2017-12-21T04:12:18Z Riastradh: Sigh.  Guess the botnet attack is back.
2017-12-21T04:16:29Z aeth: oh no
2017-12-21T04:16:47Z Riastradh: If there were any Freenode staff online, `/quote stats p' would list them and the right thing to do would be to contact them.
2017-12-21T04:17:10Z Riastradh: But instead there are no staff online right now, and #freenode is full of confused people who are taking the spam message at face value.
2017-12-21T04:20:09Z Riastradh: Staff are online now.
2017-12-21T04:20:18Z Riastradh: At least, in #freenode.
2017-12-21T04:22:41Z Riastradh: If it happens again and I'm not here and `/quote stats p' still lists nobody, please join #freenode and announce the nick!user@host and channel.
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2017-12-21T04:27:40Z zacts: ugh...
2017-12-21T04:28:18Z qu1j0t3 whispers +r
2017-12-21T04:30:46Z Riastradh: Hmm.  The set of ops in this channel hasn't been updated in a while.
2017-12-21T04:31:29Z Riastradh: Only one addition in the past seven years, and most most of them have been pretty idle for a long time.
2017-12-21T04:32:54Z Riastradh: I'm calling an ops election.  Please send me noms or votinations or something?
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2017-12-21T06:05:11Z wasamasa: r\x00t: no, I'm telling you to use your brain
2017-12-21T06:05:24Z wasamasa: r\x00t: all I did was a bit of reorganization of the sources
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2017-12-21T09:34:50Z mrm: Riastradh: Given how repetitive this botnet is, maybe op-ing a bot that kicks any user that exceeds a certain chars per minute ratio would be sufficient.
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2017-12-21T09:49:36Z aeth: mrm: given how repetitive this botnet is, maybe op-ing a bot that kicks any user that says a line with "▄" in it would be sufficient
2017-12-21T09:49:46Z aeth: How many people legitimately use "▄" in an IRC line?
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2017-12-21T09:52:18Z mario-goulart: aeth: you just did. :-)
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2017-12-21T14:24:03Z mrm: aeth: I think 'flooding' generally is considered kind of a dick move regardless, so kicking a random person flooding the channel seems like a better failure mode than kicking someone trying to discuss the "▄" embargo.
2017-12-21T14:25:33Z gwatt: why not both?
2017-12-21T14:26:55Z gwatt: also, another channel I'm in has a bot with more restrictive flooding protection than freenode's, so spammers get evicted pretty quiclkly
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2017-12-21T19:52:11Z aeth: mrm: You could always require more than 3 consecutive lines that start with ▄, which is a safe number that would catch this particular spam bot faster than a flood protection thing would.
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2017-12-21T19:54:56Z aeth: And you would still need to kick based on flooding, too, in case the spam bot author catches on
2017-12-21T19:58:19Z aeth: The spam bot doesn't bother rejoining on a kick without a ban, so any simple kick will work, but won't really affect a legitimate user that much.
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2017-12-21T20:22:08Z aeth: gwatt: Good point. And that's almost certainly why the ▄s exist. They vary by line so it goes around poorly written matchers that only check for similarity of the start of lines
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2017-12-21T21:39:26Z MrBusiness: those spammers are different _seeming_ rom those l0d3 radio hour spammers
2017-12-21T21:39:32Z MrBusiness: but not by very much
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2017-12-22T20:47:01Z mo`: hi, I want to do an http rest api in scheme to learn, which dialect and libraries/framworks to use ?
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2017-12-22T21:25:08Z wasamasa: the traditional way is to write your own libraries
2017-12-22T21:25:51Z wasamasa: which isn't too bad if you've already got a http client, but this is scheme, so far from a given
2017-12-22T21:29:21Z wasamasa: my favorite is CHICKEN where you get http-client
2017-12-22T21:31:37Z wasamasa: guile and racket have http clients as well
2017-12-22T21:32:25Z wasamasa: as for the rest, well, you might reuse a java thing from kawa, but that's not my idea of fun
2017-12-22T21:32:33Z wasamasa: or curl in one with good C interop
2017-12-22T21:34:09Z wasamasa: incidentally, the first three are the ones with most libraries, so unless you have a good reason to use another one...
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2017-12-22T21:34:52Z C-Keen: chicken even has a rest-bind egg
2017-12-22T21:35:18Z wasamasa: I've yet to give it a try
2017-12-22T21:35:31Z C-Keen: works quite well
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2017-12-22T21:35:50Z wasamasa: my usual issue with rest APIs is that some of them require rather involved authentication and that's about the point I drop the idea of using them
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2017-12-25T07:23:26Z ccc: hello
2017-12-25T07:23:41Z ccc: is biwa a port of kawa?
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2017-12-25T07:24:17Z wasamasa: is javascript a port of java?
2017-12-25T07:25:01Z ccc: of syntax, yes.
2017-12-25T07:27:04Z ccc: is biwa implemented like kawa is? i.e. compiling to java classes/methods and then running them
2017-12-25T07:27:48Z wasamasa: you don't seem to get it
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2017-12-25T07:28:25Z ccc: no, i don't that's why i'm asking
2017-12-25T07:28:26Z wasamasa: biwa is a "Scheme interpreter written in JavaScript"
2017-12-25T07:28:39Z wasamasa: this is literally the first thing I see on its github page
2017-12-25T07:28:50Z wasamasa: and on its website
2017-12-25T07:30:48Z ccc: i saw that too. but it could be that it's meant that it compiles to js on the fly like kawa and then the js is interpreted
2017-12-25T07:31:19Z wasamasa: that's not the meaning of port
2017-12-25T07:31:30Z ccc: actually what i most care about is speed. anyone knows if biwa is about as fast as clojurescript?
2017-12-25T07:32:04Z wasamasa: lol
2017-12-25T07:32:25Z wasamasa: if you actually care about it, write benchmarks representative of what you'll run
2017-12-25T07:33:21Z ccc: is there a tutorial on how to write benchmarks? thanks.
2017-12-25T07:33:31Z wasamasa: you must be kidding me
2017-12-25T07:34:02Z wasamasa: measure time, do lengthy computation, measure time again, print the difference
2017-12-25T07:34:04Z ccc: no. I'm not. I haven't written a benchmark.
2017-12-25T07:34:20Z wasamasa: it seems more like you haven't written code
2017-12-25T07:34:38Z wasamasa: and are just window shopping
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2017-12-25T07:37:06Z ccc: correct, as i said i haven't written code that does benchmarks. i want to learn. it'd be great if somebody could share how to do it in a simple and reliable manner
2017-12-25T07:37:18Z wasamasa: I just described it
2017-12-25T07:38:28Z wasamasa: (let ((then (now))) (do-stuff) (printf "Elapsed time: ~a\n" (- (now) then)))
2017-12-25T07:39:50Z ccc: excellent, that helps. thanks.
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2017-12-25T07:45:29Z wasamasa: actually, biwa compiles scheme to code for a stack machine: https://github.com/biwascheme/biwascheme/blob/master/src/system/interpreter.js#L169
2017-12-25T07:45:50Z wasamasa: so, no, it doesn't compile to JS
2017-12-25T07:46:43Z wasamasa: then, someone may argue that since the JVM is a stack machine and java bytecode is its canonical representation, compiling to your own stack machine and executing isn't terribly different
2017-12-25T07:48:02Z wasamasa: I disagree, it is different, just look at the instruction sets
2017-12-25T07:49:10Z ccc: I see. the instruction set is actually very scheme oriented, and kind of cool how they have a "conti" and "nuate" instructions
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2017-12-25T07:49:39Z wasamasa: yes, whereas the jvm one revolves around classes, so you'll have to think the java way to make it work with a dynamic language
2017-12-25T07:51:14Z wasamasa: another difference is that for java bytecode, you have to generate... bytes
2017-12-25T07:51:29Z ccc: true
2017-12-25T07:51:29Z wasamasa: this one uses strings and javascript functions to keep things simple
2017-12-25T07:53:13Z ccc: maybe one day after i've learned enough, i'll create a scheme that runs on wasm
2017-12-25T07:53:25Z ccc: *webassembly
2017-12-25T07:55:20Z wasamasa: I've yet to see a dynamic language compiled to it
2017-12-25T07:56:37Z ccc: i imagine is because of no gc. is there a good simple tutorial/book on implementing a gc?
2017-12-25T07:57:32Z wasamasa: you're best off studying existing systems
2017-12-25T07:57:34Z wasamasa: http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/12/08/babys-first-garbage-collector/
2017-12-25T07:59:38Z wasamasa: and yes, wasm doesn't have any integration with the browser's gc, you only get something vaguely looking like malloc
2017-12-25T08:01:21Z wasamasa: the author of that blog post is currently writing a book on how to implement interpreters and just gone done with the java half
2017-12-25T08:01:37Z wasamasa: I expect the C half to be far more interesting
2017-12-25T08:02:14Z ccc: super. i'll be reading this post tonight
2017-12-25T08:04:06Z wasamasa: http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/scheme-implementation-techniques.pdf has suggestions for about everything you need
2017-12-25T08:12:37Z ccc: thanks.
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2017-12-25T16:51:01Z qu1j0t3: wasamasa: well, it'll certainly be longer...
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2017-12-25T17:03:07Z wasamasa: qu1j0t3: what?
2017-12-25T17:03:39Z qu1j0t3:     wasamasa | I expect the C half to be far more interesting      // well, it'll certainly be longer...
2017-12-25T17:03:57Z wasamasa: and more educational
2017-12-25T17:07:21Z qu1j0t3: how so? is C really that interesting?
2017-12-25T17:07:30Z qu1j0t3: which parts?
2017-12-25T17:08:03Z wasamasa: I've yet to see an idiot's guide on how to write your own byte-code interpreter from scratch
2017-12-25T17:08:14Z wasamasa: this seems to be it
2017-12-25T17:08:41Z qu1j0t3: hm, i dunno, if you include Z-code interpreters i think i've seen one or two
2017-12-25T17:09:32Z wasamasa: including the part of compiling the higher-level language to bytecode
2017-12-25T17:09:43Z qu1j0t3:  i know everyone's different but that seems to be the 'interesting' part
2017-12-25T17:13:58Z qu1j0t3: (actually the last z-code interpreter i saw was Robert Baruch's 'build one in fpga' videos)
2017-12-25T17:14:14Z qu1j0t3: (there's a holiday project for somebody)
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2017-12-25T17:32:35Z r2q2: hi
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2017-12-25T20:04:04Z Horacebert: Is there a way to portably manage naming conflicts in top-level?
2017-12-25T20:04:41Z Horacebert: "define" is specified as working like "set!" if the name we are trying to define already exist.
2017-12-25T20:04:55Z Horacebert: Is there a way to prevent that? Or, at least, detect if a name already exists? Portably?
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2017-12-25T20:08:11Z Horacebert: Or, well, some way to have protected namespaces.
2017-12-25T20:13:30Z GreaseMonkey: Horacebert: at this stage you may need to depend on your implementation having exception handling via SRFI-12
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2017-12-25T20:17:57Z GreaseMonkey: iirc in python the way hasattr() works is it tries to get the attribute within a try/except block, if it excepts w/ a suitable error it returns False, otherwise it returns True
2017-12-25T20:18:37Z GreaseMonkey: getattr w/ default appears to work in the same way except instead of True/False it returns either what it can, or the default
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2017-12-25T20:31:00Z Horacebert: Ok, thanks, GreaseMonkey
2017-12-25T20:31:12Z Horacebert: (I think the Python part is for someone else?)
2017-12-25T20:31:51Z Horacebert: I'm asking because it seems like one procedure I've defined has been also defined at top level by some implementation for its own internal usage.
2017-12-25T20:32:12Z Horacebert: I was wondering if there was a general way to define procedures without risking accidentally trampling over the implementation's private procedures
2017-12-25T20:32:44Z wasamasa: use inner defines
2017-12-25T20:34:00Z Horacebert: Thought about that. Might resort to that.
2017-12-25T20:34:09Z Horacebert: It's just that my project is split into multiple files.
2017-12-25T20:34:38Z Horacebert: I was hoping there was a way to still have the same "namespace" available over multiple files.
2017-12-25T20:34:49Z Horacebert: ...hm. I suppose I could define my own defining word...
2017-12-25T20:34:56Z wasamasa: namespace?
2017-12-25T20:34:58Z Horacebert: Like, 'inner-define'.
2017-12-25T20:35:03Z wasamasa: this is scheme, not C++
2017-12-25T20:35:12Z Horacebert: Sorry.
2017-12-25T20:35:14Z Horacebert: "scope"?
2017-12-25T20:35:23Z Horacebert: Hence why I put it into quotes.
2017-12-25T20:35:31Z wasamasa: it would be far more helpful if you'd provide a minimal problematic example
2017-12-25T20:35:47Z GreaseMonkey: the python part was mostly for inspiration
2017-12-25T20:35:57Z Horacebert: Ah
2017-12-25T20:36:08Z Horacebert: The chicken compiler seems to define "read-token"
2017-12-25T20:36:08Z wasamasa: also, keep in mind that you're most likely beyond what the scheme standard provides
2017-12-25T20:36:19Z Horacebert: I am writing a lexer/parser thing. And I'm defining, guess what, "read-token"
2017-12-25T20:36:28Z Horacebert: I get a warning that "read-token" already exist when I compile.
2017-12-25T20:36:36Z Horacebert: IT seems to be a chicken specific thing.
2017-12-25T20:36:42Z wasamasa: well, yes, it is
2017-12-25T20:37:37Z Horacebert: So I was wondering if there was a general way to hide my stuff inside a scope, but still have one file for the lexer, one file for the parser, etc.
2017-12-25T20:38:34Z wasamasa: that has nothing to do with scoping
2017-12-25T20:38:34Z wasamasa: please ask #chicken
2017-12-25T20:38:35Z wasamasa: the compiler just warns you that you might be doing something stupid and no longer can access read-token from the extras unit
2017-12-25T20:39:48Z Horacebert: That particular one probably not...
2017-12-25T20:39:53Z wasamasa: however that's just the case in that one file
2017-12-25T20:39:56Z Horacebert: But I have thought about the general problem this raises.
2017-12-25T20:40:08Z Horacebert: Exactly. Mine is a specific example, I was wondering about the general case.
2017-12-25T20:40:20Z wasamasa: if you don't need read-token, except it from the extras import
2017-12-25T20:40:53Z Horacebert: Beyond this example, it could (and does) happen that implementation top-level-define procedures for their own internal use.
2017-12-25T20:41:11Z Horacebert: Er... define at top level
2017-12-25T20:41:24Z Horacebert: I had never really thought about it until I saw the warning.
2017-12-25T20:41:44Z Horacebert: And I was wondering if there was a general way to prevent one from accidentally trampling on the implementation's own procedures
2017-12-25T20:42:28Z Horacebert: SRFI-12 is the way to go, I understand.
2017-12-25T20:43:27Z wasamasa: why?
2017-12-25T20:43:52Z Horacebert: Now I am confused. Why what? Why SRFI 12 is the way to go?
2017-12-25T20:44:44Z wasamasa: yes
2017-12-25T20:45:10Z wasamasa: why would an exception handling mechanism be a solution to the exact nature of your scheme system's modules?
2017-12-25T20:45:38Z wasamasa: that's like suggesting that wrapping your child in bubblewrap is the solution to them possibly getting hurt when playing outside
2017-12-25T20:47:03Z Horacebert: It's not about the exact nature of my scheme system's module.
2017-12-25T20:47:07Z Horacebert: I'm trying to write portable code.
2017-12-25T20:47:22Z wasamasa: oh boy
2017-12-25T20:47:26Z Horacebert: Which can be ported to a new system with little effort. I'm developing on four systems in parallel.
2017-12-25T20:48:05Z Horacebert: But let's forget that.
2017-12-25T20:48:16Z Horacebert: Let's assume I'm writing for one system only.
2017-12-25T20:48:25Z wasamasa: then make full use of its facilities :>
2017-12-25T20:48:57Z Horacebert: Ok, so the answer is "there is no portable way to do it, and those that are there are too complicated to use"?
2017-12-25T20:49:12Z Horacebert: ...let me rephrase that.
2017-12-25T20:49:21Z wasamasa: portable scheme doesn't have luxuries like code split across more than one file
2017-12-25T20:49:23Z wasamasa: all you get is load and what exactly it does is left to the implementation
2017-12-25T20:49:31Z wasamasa: while CHICKEN has include, modules and units
2017-12-25T20:49:45Z Horacebert: Yes, exactly. I think r7rs has something as well.
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2017-12-25T20:50:20Z Horacebert: But I was wondering if there was some portable way to do it, that's all.
2017-12-25T20:50:32Z Horacebert: The answer is "forget about portability in this case."
2017-12-25T20:50:49Z wasamasa: yeah and it omits how defined libraries are located
2017-12-25T20:51:07Z wasamasa: which leads to something as hilarious as picrin being unusable for that kind of task because it only supports loading built-in libraries
2017-12-25T20:51:38Z Horacebert: Well, I do have a small platform-dependent file, where I define macros for something generally available but with different syntax
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2017-12-25T20:52:16Z Horacebert: The top file is different for every implementation. I'm not shooting for 100% portable. But I'm trying to keep that for very simple macros.
2017-12-25T20:52:32Z Horacebert: Like, "load at compile time if load at compile time is available; otherwise load at run time"
2017-12-25T20:54:44Z Horacebert: Thank you, everyone
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2017-12-26T10:37:32Z BW^-:  ** Scheme debug help request **  Can anyone with 64bit Windows please have a look here to help resolve a very peripheral but real bug that's been around for quite some while? https://webmail.iro.umontreal.ca/pipermail/gambit-list/2017-December/008848.html
2017-12-26T10:37:42Z BW^-: Please report back to the emailing list or github, thanks
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2017-12-27T20:46:06Z amz3: C-Keen: stop running my #guile marketing ;)
2017-12-27T20:46:18Z amz3: s/running/ruining/
2017-12-27T20:46:50Z C-Keen: pah
2017-12-27T20:47:13Z manumanumanu: amz3: #chicken is still the nicest irc-channel. No doubts
2017-12-27T20:47:28Z manumanumanu: as much as I like delimited continuations and syntax-case
2017-12-27T20:47:39Z manumanumanu: and for my rpi stuff chicken rocks
2017-12-27T20:48:19Z amz3: yeah, I have troubles leaving the GNU project
2017-12-27T20:48:36Z amz3: It's important to me
2017-12-27T20:48:55Z amz3: though it's not more important that correct software.
2017-12-27T20:49:02Z amz3: s/that/than/
2017-12-27T20:51:05Z wasamasa: what #guile marketing?
2017-12-27T20:53:28Z amz3: I am refering to a conversation on mastodon
2017-12-27T20:54:35Z jcowan: Chicken belongs to the NonGNU Project
2017-12-27T20:54:49Z amz3: guile vs lisp
2017-12-27T20:55:08Z amz3: guile vs *CL*
2017-12-27T20:55:40Z amz3: but at the end of the day, I am the wrong person to argue, because I only know Guile (and Biwascheme)
2017-12-27T20:57:01Z cmaloney: amz3: Whiat conversation?
2017-12-27T20:59:07Z amz3: https://mastodon.social/@ckeen/99248229520206584
2017-12-27T21:00:18Z amz3: C-Keen: I don't understand why you need a scheduler in spock, the browser has its own primitives for doing parallel things called web workers
2017-12-27T21:02:38Z cmaloney: Just admit that Racket is the saviour of Scheme and be done with it.
2017-12-27T21:02:48Z cmaloney realizes he's not in #racket.
2017-12-27T21:03:00Z amz3: C-Keen: congrats for your blog!
2017-12-27T21:04:18Z jcowan chuckles
2017-12-27T21:04:30Z jcowan: Racket is the Scheme that dares not say its name
2017-12-27T21:05:20Z amz3: Racket doesn't have POSIX threads and I need them for doing my database stuff
2017-12-27T21:05:27Z C-Keen: amz3: thx
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2017-12-27T21:31:15Z C-Keen: amz3: sorry to be imprecise, there's no scheduler in spock. And of course you don't need it. There is a spock example that shows coroutines drawing spirals that works without the javascript facilities.
2017-12-27T21:31:30Z C-Keen: amz3: if you need that you need to implement a scheme procedure to use that
2017-12-27T21:31:56Z wasamasa: what blog?
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2017-12-27T21:34:20Z C-Keen: the usual
2017-12-27T21:34:40Z wasamasa: I didn't get any update on the feed
2017-12-27T21:36:05Z C-Keen: no new content
2017-12-27T21:36:12Z C-Keen: amz3 just discovered it
2017-12-27T21:36:17Z C-Keen: sorry :(
2017-12-27T21:36:24Z wasamasa: :(
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2017-12-27T21:42:56Z amz3: what do you use to stay posted of new blog entries, like a feed reader?
2017-12-27T21:43:07Z amz3: emacs?
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2017-12-28T00:50:32Z cmaloney: I use rss2email and mutt / thunderbid
2017-12-28T00:50:37Z cmaloney: thunderbird
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2017-12-29T12:16:18Z joshbrady: Hi, I'm trying to run the scheme REPL on Windows 10 but unable to.
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2017-12-29T12:16:57Z joshbrady: Here's the error: Requested allocation is too large. Try again with a smaller argument to '--heap'.
2017-12-29T12:18:06Z joshbrady: I've installed the MIT/GNU scheme
2017-12-29T12:18:43Z joshbrady: Help?
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2017-12-29T12:55:23Z notzmv: huh
2017-12-29T12:55:30Z notzmv: is that guile?
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2017-12-29T18:06:26Z ecraven: never ran it under windows, not sure what works
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2017-12-30T01:21:17Z racketluv: Hi, I'm looking to employ a programmer proficient in Racket for a quick freelance project (very small, $30). I tried finding someone on a freelancing site (Upwork) but there is a dirth of Scheme/Racket programmers and I was hoping someone here might be willing to do this.
2017-12-30T01:22:30Z amz3: for that I hope you find no one
2017-12-30T01:22:36Z amz3: ...
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2017-12-30T01:23:47Z amz3: for 30$ I will fix an easy typo
2017-12-30T01:23:59Z amz3: I don't much tasks worth that much
2017-12-30T01:24:07Z amz3: +knoz
2017-12-30T01:24:09Z amz3: +know
2017-12-30T01:25:23Z racketluv: Haha. I'm not rich, sorry.
2017-12-30T01:26:09Z amz3: what do you need to do?
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2017-12-30T01:29:30Z racketluv: Implement a barebones Breakout. The fewer lines the better
2017-12-30T01:30:16Z racketluv: It's subcontracted from another guy. If need be, I can ask him to pay a little more, but I think he's a student so I'm not sure how far he'll go
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2017-12-30T01:35:26Z racketluv: amz3: How much would you charge for something like that? If it's remotely affordable I can relay it back to my client and see if he's willing
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2017-12-30T01:37:48Z pierpa: sigh
2017-12-30T01:38:14Z pierpa: subcontractors for doing homework. That's the first time I hear it
2017-12-30T01:40:03Z Riastradh: Whisky tango foxtrot?  This is not a homework-for-hire channel.  Want to ask technical questions, fine, but if you're asking for a partner in crime for a degree-for-dollars scam, please take it elsewhere.
2017-12-30T01:40:13Z racketluv: Haha. I'd actually told him to check out the Racket community channels like, a week ago. He got back to me saying he had no luck, so I promised to see what I can do for him.
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2017-12-30T01:42:16Z racketluv: Riastradh, didn't mean to abuse your channel. It's not a crime, although it is widely considered unethical (I disagree, of course, with that assessment)
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2017-12-30T01:44:48Z Riastradh: Golly.  I figured you'd probably demur, but rather by arguing it's not necessarily homework-for-hire rather than asserting that homework-for-hire isn't unethical.
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2017-12-30T01:52:10Z racketluv: It's totally homework-for-hire. I didn't exactly assert that it's unethical, just that I disagree with that assessment. But this is you all's channel, not mine, so it doesn't really matter. If this channel doesn't permit that kind of thing then consider the offer rescinded.
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2017-12-30T01:53:53Z JuanDaugherty has done that before, forgot what the course material was, java something and a rich indian girl
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2017-12-30T01:54:59Z JuanDaugherty: when society's ethics are deeply compromised in principle ... .
2017-12-30T01:55:13Z JuanDaugherty: kinda like how you can infer anything from false
2017-12-30T01:56:22Z JuanDaugherty: if society is based on cheating it's hard to call a specific cheat, especially one where people are just trynna survive, get working careers in same
2017-12-30T01:57:07Z JuanDaugherty: especially if doesn't really harm anyone and could help
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2017-12-30T03:11:49Z jcowan holds that having work done for hire is unethical iff it corrupts the evaluation of the person doing the hiring
2017-12-30T03:12:15Z jcowan: thus it is not unethical to have someone type your MS unless you are taking a typing class
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2017-12-30T03:13:06Z jcowan: and it is not unethical for a politician to hire a ghostwriter, because what matters to the voters is the content of the speech, not how eloquently it is expressed.
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2017-12-30T03:14:16Z ijp: provided it isn't too eloquent and thus memorable
2017-12-30T03:14:40Z JuanDaugherty: well these days an automation could do the typing
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2017-12-30T03:17:09Z jcowan: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2829#comment-96192
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2017-12-30T03:18:15Z jcowan: ijp: quite so, and I address that at the link above
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2017-12-30T03:21:33Z ijp: the comment seems reasonable enough
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2017-12-30T03:39:03Z jcowan: any of you who teach and haven't seen Ed Dante's article in CHE should read it https://rileyspeaksblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/shadow-scholar.pdf
2017-12-30T03:40:25Z JuanDaugherty: che = cheating in higher ed?
2017-12-30T03:40:35Z Riastradh: Presumably Chronicle of Higher Ed.
2017-12-30T03:40:39Z JuanDaugherty: a it's a journal name
2017-12-30T03:40:44Z JuanDaugherty: *ah
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2017-12-30T08:22:21Z Murii: https://www.techpowerup.com/239994/nvidia-forbids-geforce-driver-deployment-in-data-centers
2017-12-30T08:22:27Z Murii: ups
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2017-12-30T09:09:29Z akkad: say to convert epoch time to 3339 or 8601
2017-12-30T09:17:01Z wasamasa: akkad: I'd expect it to be in srfi-19 if anything
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2017-12-30T21:59:46Z akkad: so need to find a working (string->date 1514671145 "~s") srfi-19 docs say this is valid.
2017-12-30T22:08:56Z fizzie: 1514671145 is not a string, though.
2017-12-30T22:12:38Z akkad: imagine this is irc and not a scheme repl
2017-12-30T22:12:52Z akkad: then imagine it being quoted so that it was a string in the real repl
2017-12-30T22:13:00Z akkad: :P
2017-12-30T22:13:45Z wasamasa: imagine people not being lazy
2017-12-30T22:14:09Z akkad: or it not being slack to allow one to go back and fix it
2017-12-30T22:14:17Z fizzie: Well, ~s is also not in the lsit for "string->date conversion specifiers" in https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-19/srfi-19.html -- only for date->string.
2017-12-30T22:14:22Z fizzie: s/lsit/list/
2017-12-30T22:14:24Z wasamasa: you can't, right
2017-12-30T22:15:16Z fizzie: (time-utc->date (make-time time-utc 0 1514671145)) you could do, though.
2017-12-30T22:15:16Z akkad: ~s	number of full seconds since "the epoch" (in UTC)
2017-12-30T22:15:17Z akkad: ~S	second, zero padded (00...60)
2017-12-30T22:15:28Z akkad: right under the very definition for string->date
2017-12-30T22:15:43Z fizzie: akkad: Yes, with the caption "Table 1: DATE->STRING conversion specifiers".
2017-12-30T22:15:57Z fizzie: akkad: See the table *below* that, labeled "Table 2: STRING->DATE conversion specifiers" too.
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2017-12-30T22:16:20Z akkad: guess you're right
2017-12-30T22:16:34Z wasamasa: even harder to imagine is people reading properly
2017-12-30T22:17:02Z akkad: wasamasa: point made
2017-12-30T22:17:12Z Riastradh: wasamasa: Is the hostility necessary?
2017-12-30T22:17:18Z akkad: he's always like that
2017-12-30T22:18:31Z akkad: anyone who spends time making emacs be vim. :P
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2017-12-31T00:24:21Z amz3: what is the srfi for parsing command line arguments please?
2017-12-31T00:27:22Z amz3: https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-37/srfi-37.html
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2017-12-31T15:16:37Z amz3: what do you think? is worth it?
2017-12-31T15:24:15Z wasamasa: wow, 49€
2017-12-31T15:25:14Z wasamasa: not for me definitely
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