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2017-06-20T08:57:56Z jaziz: oh, I don't know 2017-06-20T08:58:03Z jaziz: was just saying 2017-06-20T08:58:26Z ventonegro: ah :) 2017-06-20T09:07:24Z jaziz: hm 2017-06-20T09:07:42Z jaziz: what's wrong with this fahrenheit to celsius conversion? 2017-06-20T09:08:02Z jaziz: (define (temp f) (/ 9 (* 5 (- f 32)))) 2017-06-20T09:08:36Z jaziz: C = (F - 32) * 5/9 2017-06-20T09:09:13Z ventonegro: why is it wrong? 2017-06-20T09:09:24Z jaziz: I, uh 2017-06-20T09:09:30Z jaziz: I did (temp 5) and got -1/15 2017-06-20T09:09:37Z jaziz: when it should be -15 2017-06-20T09:10:34Z ventonegro: You are diving 9 by something, it's the other way around 2017-06-20T09:10:42Z ventonegro: dividing* 2017-06-20T09:11:09Z jaziz: oh 2017-06-20T09:11:10Z jaziz: right 2017-06-20T09:11:16Z C-Keen: order makes a difference :) 2017-06-20T09:11:23Z jaziz: is there some general method to translating normal arithmetic to this stuff? 2017-06-20T09:11:29Z jaziz: kind of hard to wrap my head around 2017-06-20T09:12:01Z ventonegro: In "normal" arithmetic it would still be wrong to do 9 / ... 2017-06-20T09:12:26Z jaziz: I knowww 2017-06-20T09:12:31Z C-Keen: you could have written (* (- f 32) (/ 5 9)) that's closer to the original 2017-06-20T09:12:49Z ventonegro: jaziz: but if you must: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunting-yard_algorithm 2017-06-20T09:13:11Z jaziz: C-Keen, oh, that's pretty 2017-06-20T09:13:15Z jaziz: ventonegro, thanks 2017-06-20T09:13:35Z jaziz: C-Keen, I would've thought to associate * strictly with 5 haha 2017-06-20T09:13:48Z jaziz: b/c it's * 5 2017-06-20T09:14:22Z ventonegro: note that you won't get floating point numbers with this implementation 2017-06-20T09:14:31Z ventonegro: > (temp 6) 2017-06-20T09:14:32Z ventonegro: -130/9 2017-06-20T09:14:36Z jaziz: ah right 2017-06-20T09:14:45Z C-Keen: jaziz: I have just added parenthesis: C 2017-06-20T09:15:09Z ventonegro: > (exact->inexact (temp 6)) 2017-06-20T09:15:09Z ventonegro: -14.444444444444445 2017-06-20T09:15:12Z C-Keen: C = (F - 32) * (5/9) 2017-06-20T09:15:28Z C-Keen: which is perfectly valid 2017-06-20T09:15:42Z jaziz: 0.o 2017-06-20T09:15:51Z C-Keen: (in this case) 2017-06-20T09:15:51Z jaziz: wait wait 2017-06-20T09:15:56Z jaziz: what's ventonegro doing 2017-06-20T09:16:07Z jaziz: > (temp 6) 2017-06-20T09:16:15Z jaziz: lol I thought there was a bot 2017-06-20T09:16:16Z C-Keen: converting an exact number into an inexact one 2017-06-20T09:16:26Z ventonegro: jaziz: I'm copying and pasting :P 2017-06-20T09:16:32Z jaziz: hahaha 2017-06-20T09:16:38Z jaziz: that was my next guess 2017-06-20T09:16:51Z ventonegro: 10:54 $ gsi 2017-06-20T09:16:52Z ventonegro: Gambit v4.8.8 2017-06-20T09:16:52Z ventonegro: > (define (temp f) (/ (* 5 (- f 32)) 9)) 2017-06-20T09:16:52Z ventonegro: > (temp 5) 2017-06-20T09:16:52Z ventonegro: -15 2017-06-20T09:16:53Z ventonegro: > (temp 6) 2017-06-20T09:16:54Z ventonegro: -130/9 2017-06-20T09:16:55Z ventonegro: > (exact->inexact (temp 6)) 2017-06-20T09:16:56Z ventonegro: -14.444444444444445 2017-06-20T09:17:05Z jaziz: oh nice 2017-06-20T09:20:48Z jaziz: looool 2017-06-20T09:21:03Z jaziz: past 3 min I've been trying to figure out why this wasn't working 2017-06-20T09:21:04Z jaziz: (define (temp f) (* (/ (f - 32) 9) 5)) 2017-06-20T09:21:21Z jaziz: but I got it 2017-06-20T09:21:37Z C-Keen: because that's not the same 2017-06-20T09:22:12Z jaziz: well the logic is right 2017-06-20T09:22:20Z jaziz: it's just 2017-06-20T09:22:24Z jaziz: (f - 32) hahahaha 2017-06-20T09:22:54Z C-Keen: that's not valid if f is not a procedure 2017-06-20T09:23:05Z jaziz: mm 2017-06-20T09:23:17Z jaziz: that's what the interpreter told me haha 2017-06-20T09:23:34Z C-Keen: you should listen to it 2017-06-20T09:24:49Z jaziz: right 2017-06-20T09:25:25Z jaziz: oh my god this book really is ancient haha 2017-06-20T09:25:40Z jaziz: "use the currency table in the newspaper to look up the current exchange rate" 2017-06-20T09:27:41Z C-Keen: it is still in newspapers 2017-06-20T09:27:50Z C-Keen: people just don't read them anymore 2017-06-20T09:27:55Z jaziz: mm 2017-06-20T09:28:21Z C-Keen: which book is it? 2017-06-20T09:28:33Z jaziz: How to Design Programs 2017-06-20T09:28:40Z C-Keen: ah 2017-06-20T09:28:46Z C-Keen: nice one 2017-06-20T09:28:49Z jaziz: you read it? 2017-06-20T09:29:02Z C-Keen: a long time ago 2017-06-20T09:29:06Z jaziz: oh nice 2017-06-20T09:29:09Z jaziz: should I be reading this or SICP? 2017-06-20T09:29:37Z C-Keen: does not matter, choose the more appealling one, then read the other one next :) 2017-06-20T09:29:46Z jaziz: oh alright 2017-06-20T09:29:47Z jaziz: fantastic 2017-06-20T09:29:58Z C-Keen: whatever gets you started is ok 2017-06-20T09:30:19Z eacces_ is now known as eacces 2017-06-20T09:30:24Z jaziz: htdp looks pretty beginner-friendly 2017-06-20T09:30:32Z jaziz: only issue is it's a little too basic 2017-06-20T09:30:36Z jaziz: at first, anyway 2017-06-20T09:30:41Z jaziz: I'm only on page 11 2017-06-20T09:30:52Z z0d: SICP and HtDP serve different purposes 2017-06-20T09:31:04Z z0d: HtDP is more about programming, while SICP is more about computer science 2017-06-20T09:31:23Z jaziz: I see 2017-06-20T09:31:28Z jaziz: so neither one replaces the other 2017-06-20T09:32:10Z z0d: if you have programming experience, you can go with SICP, I think 2017-06-20T09:32:39Z jaziz: yeah, I've got a few years 2017-06-20T09:32:46Z jaziz: I've never made any large projects, though 2017-06-20T09:32:55Z jaziz: all I've done is schoolwork 2017-06-20T09:33:10Z jaziz: I'm kind of lost on the whole project design thing 2017-06-20T09:34:34Z jaziz: oh god haha 2017-06-20T09:34:37Z jaziz: maybe I just suck at programming 2017-06-20T09:34:49Z jaziz: I've encountered a hard problem on page 11 2017-06-20T09:35:13Z jaziz: have to write a function converting 3 numbers to their reverse 2017-06-20T09:35:40Z jaziz: e.g. (convert3 1 2 3) -> 3 2 1 2017-06-20T09:35:51Z jaziz: er, 321 2017-06-20T09:35:55Z jaziz: oh wait lol 2017-06-20T09:35:57Z jaziz: that's not hard at all 2017-06-20T09:36:00Z eacces: i'm reading sicp, it's pretty awesome, very slow going though 2017-06-20T09:39:10Z jaziz: whatcha mean slow going? 2017-06-20T09:39:14Z jaziz: you already know a bunch of the stuff? 2017-06-20T09:39:16Z jaziz: or is it verbose? 2017-06-20T09:41:38Z beekill quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-20T09:44:09Z jaziz: is this invalid? 2017-06-20T09:44:14Z eacces: well, it requires a lot of thinking 2017-06-20T09:44:33Z jaziz: (define (foo n) (- 2 1/n)) 2017-06-20T09:44:37Z jaziz: ah 2017-06-20T09:46:09Z Fox2 joined #scheme 2017-06-20T09:46:51Z ventonegro: jaziz: you have an infix division 2017-06-20T09:46:53Z lritter joined #scheme 2017-06-20T09:47:03Z Menche quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-20T09:48:03Z jaziz: yeah, for some reason I thought that was a fraction 2017-06-20T09:48:09Z edmoore_ is now known as edmoore 2017-06-20T09:48:50Z Fox2: faction ? 2017-06-20T09:49:03Z Fox2: like RAF ? 2017-06-20T09:49:35Z jaziz: hahaha nope 2017-06-20T09:49:36Z jaziz: like 2017-06-20T09:49:36Z jaziz: 1/12 2017-06-20T09:49:57Z Fox2: guys, we python3 people have lamdda too, for what it is worth 2017-06-20T09:50:50Z Fox2: could have been Red Army Fraction... 2017-06-20T09:50:56Z ventonegro: Fox2: Do you have proper lexical scoping now, or is `nonlocal` still needed? 2017-06-20T09:51:17Z Fox2: yeah yeah vento ! 2017-06-20T09:52:00Z Fox2: as in Rote Armee 2017-06-20T09:52:02Z brendyn quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-20T09:57:18Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-20T09:57:49Z brendyn joined #scheme 2017-06-20T10:01:11Z jaziz: I'm looking forward to the recursion chapter 2017-06-20T10:01:50Z Fox2: chapter 11 ? bancruptcy protection ? 2017-06-20T10:02:32Z jaziz: mmhmmmmmmmmmmm 2017-06-20T10:03:01Z jaziz: *chapters 2017-06-20T10:03:05Z Fox2: § 11 2017-06-20T10:03:06Z jaziz: Actually 2017-06-20T10:03:12Z jaziz: this is the main reason I want to read these books 2017-06-20T10:03:18Z jaziz: I want a better handle on recursion 2017-06-20T10:03:35Z jaziz: I find it hard to think recursively 2017-06-20T10:03:38Z Fox2: in capitalism you have no recourse, dude. 2017-06-20T10:04:52Z Fox2: thinking of thoughts kinda puts me off 2017-06-20T10:05:31Z ventonegro: jaziz: They will help you, no doubt 2017-06-20T10:06:34Z jaziz: awesome 2017-06-20T10:07:12Z jaziz: 20 pages a day and I should be done with htdp in a month 2017-06-20T10:07:56Z ventonegro: jaziz: Don't do that, don't skip the exercises 2017-06-20T10:08:00Z Fox2: htdp? how to "Depeche Mode" ? 2017-06-20T10:08:09Z ventonegro: jaziz: Reading != understanding 2017-06-20T10:08:18Z jaziz: what if I do that *and* the exercises? 2017-06-20T10:08:32Z ventonegro: jaziz: Then it's cool :) 2017-06-20T10:08:34Z jaziz: wooo 2017-06-20T10:09:25Z jaziz: lol if I had this book as an intro to programming like 4 years ago I might've actually gone somewhere by now 2017-06-20T10:09:45Z jaziz: instead, I opted to buy this garbage 2017-06-20T10:09:46Z jaziz: https://www.amazon.com/Primer-Plus-6th-Developers-Library/dp/0321776402/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497953372&sr=8-1&keywords=c%2B%2B+primer+plus 2017-06-20T10:09:49Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/U5awx2IMUD 2017-06-20T10:10:14Z ventonegro: jaziz: it's never too late :) 2017-06-20T10:10:23Z jaziz: yeah haha 2017-06-20T10:10:35Z jaziz: I'm just sad I don't have a cool internship to go to this summer like my friends do 2017-06-20T10:10:50Z greatscottttt: jaziz: I think I also bought that early on 2017-06-20T10:11:12Z jaziz: greatscottttt, alas 2017-06-20T10:11:23Z jaziz: mistakes were made 2017-06-20T10:11:36Z ventonegro: jaziz: OTOH you'll have plenty of time for learning 2017-06-20T10:11:42Z jaziz: right! 2017-06-20T10:11:50Z jaziz: the plan this summer is to go crazy on hackerrank problems 2017-06-20T10:11:54Z Fox2: jaziz, this is capitalism, you start to learn THAT the hard way. No internship, no job, no nothing, dude. 2017-06-20T10:12:11Z jaziz: parents house ;) 2017-06-20T10:12:25Z Fox2: ... 2017-06-20T10:12:43Z jaziz: I mean if you want an out, there it is haha 2017-06-20T10:14:18Z Fox2: outhouse ? 2017-06-20T10:15:17Z ventonegro: jaziz: Please ignore the troll so they can shut up sooner rather than later 2017-06-20T10:15:47Z jaziz: right, sorry 2017-06-20T10:22:10Z Fox2: when in fact, capitalism will shut YOU up before long, believe it or not. 2017-06-20T10:38:08Z jcowan_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-20T10:57:31Z sondr3_ joined #scheme 2017-06-20T10:57:42Z jaziz quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-06-20T10:58:07Z sondr3 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-20T11:00:00Z Fox2 quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2017-06-20T11:01:08Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-20T11:01:21Z sondr3 joined #scheme 2017-06-20T11:02:08Z sondr3_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-20T11:15:13Z sondr3_ joined #scheme 2017-06-20T11:17:48Z 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Most of the applications of multisets I can think of involve counting things and work better with mutable objects. 2017-06-23T00:40:38Z arifuzzaman joined #scheme 2017-06-23T00:47:51Z sethalves joined #scheme 2017-06-23T00:54:49Z grublet joined #scheme 2017-06-23T01:13:42Z beekill joined #scheme 2017-06-23T01:28:01Z takitus quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-23T01:29:15Z CodeSnow is now known as pilne 2017-06-23T01:30:42Z sondr3 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-23T01:31:07Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-23T02:03:04Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-23T02:11:02Z gwatt: jcowan: I thought multisets are unordered no matter what? 2017-06-23T02:12:11Z jcowan: No, they can be ordered just as sets can 2017-06-23T02:12:36Z jcowan: {1,1,1,2,3,5,8,8,8,13...} 2017-06-23T02:12:48Z gwatt: but as long as the same (non-mutating) functions work on mutable and immutable multisets that's fine 2017-06-23T02:13:34Z jcowan: Sure. 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neutral and that's what I get :D 2017-06-24T19:51:31Z C-Keen: that sums up my life :p 2017-06-24T19:51:42Z zacts joined #scheme 2017-06-24T19:52:57Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-24T19:54:23Z enderby left #scheme 2017-06-24T19:57:08Z wasamasa quit (Changing host) 2017-06-24T19:57:08Z wasamasa joined #scheme 2017-06-24T20:01:36Z qu1j0t3: rain1: you could lurk in #chicken 2017-06-24T20:03:59Z Menche quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-24T20:06:18Z wasamasa: don't worry, CHICKEN's bootstrapping time isn't stellar 2017-06-24T20:06:22Z wasamasa: still beats guile 2017-06-24T20:06:39Z wasamasa: 15 minutes vs two hours isn't something to sneeze at 2017-06-24T20:29:36Z daviid joined #scheme 2017-06-24T20:38:40Z jmd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-24T20:44:09Z jmd joined #scheme 2017-06-24T20:49:20Z akkad: wow. 2017-06-24T20:49:26Z akkad: guile really that big? 2017-06-24T20:49:44Z wasamasa: it's less about it being big and more about CHICKEN cheating 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(persistent object store) 2017-06-25T19:19:34Z noethics joined #scheme 2017-06-25T19:19:40Z wasamasa: ohi gavino 2017-06-25T19:20:12Z narendraj9 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T19:21:24Z BW^-: wasamasa: ? 2017-06-25T19:21:58Z wasamasa: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.scheme/-LhkXK80oEg 2017-06-25T19:23:04Z wasamasa: be careful, you're sounding very much like him :P 2017-06-25T19:23:18Z wasamasa: in scheme land, all you need is with-output-to-file and write 2017-06-25T19:25:26Z BW^-: wasamasa: that kind of thing is not what i looked for. 2017-06-25T19:25:37Z BW^-: wasamasa: i was meaning like, alternatives to datomic and allegrocache 2017-06-25T19:25:40Z BW^-: what more is there 2017-06-25T19:26:07Z noethics: datomic is that weird paid clojure db? 2017-06-25T19:27:59Z BW^-: noethics: i guess. 2017-06-25T19:28:12Z BW^-: noethics: so like anything that stores objects and their references persistently. what's out there? 2017-06-25T19:28:27Z noethics: objects and their references? 2017-06-25T19:28:30Z noethics: why would you want that 2017-06-25T19:28:46Z noethics: i think pg can do that with json mode 2017-06-25T19:30:55Z noethics: in general it sounds like you want an ORM 2017-06-25T19:32:07Z wasamasa: BW^-: but that kind of thing is what a scheme person would use 2017-06-25T19:32:08Z wasamasa: BW^-: that aside, datomic is way more than that 2017-06-25T19:32:08Z wasamasa: BW^-: if I really needed a proper solution, I'd go for lmdb 2017-06-25T19:33:54Z noethics: do people still use flat out lmdb 2017-06-25T19:34:35Z noethics: ive only seen people using popular "based on lmdb" stuff 2017-06-25T19:34:48Z noethics: but i don't see how that gives you an object layer 2017-06-25T19:34:57Z noethics: it's just a KV store pretty much?> 2017-06-25T19:35:40Z wasamasa: yes, that's what it is 2017-06-25T19:35:56Z wasamasa: use write and bam, you have a string 2017-06-25T19:36:42Z wasamasa: there's even a srfi for extending the reader to create non-standard objects from strings 2017-06-25T19:37:06Z wasamasa: https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-10/srfi-10.html 2017-06-25T19:39:07Z BW^- quit (Quit: BW^-) 2017-06-25T19:40:44Z wasamasa: I can't await the day when SICP gets negative reviews because it doesn't explain how to build a persistent object store with scheme 2017-06-25T19:40:56Z noethics: lol 2017-06-25T19:50:39Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2017-06-25T19:56:36Z narendraj9 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-06-25T20:03:46Z noethics quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T20:04:51Z noethics joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:18:35Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-25T20:18:56Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-25T20:22:54Z arbv joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:24:27Z nullcone joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:27:10Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-25T20:35:47Z daviid joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:49:08Z ozzloy quit (Changing host) 2017-06-25T20:49:09Z ozzloy joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:49:31Z jonaslund joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:55:46Z arbv joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:57:14Z arifuzzaman joined #scheme 2017-06-25T20:59:38Z arifuzzaman: can someone help me to understand the concept of bound variables and free variable? 2017-06-25T20:59:38Z arifuzzaman: I have found some answers in stackoverflow but they make me confused. 2017-06-25T20:59:38Z arifuzzaman: any reliable source (blogs/books) will be appreciated. 2017-06-25T21:00:01Z rain1: it's simple in (lambda (x) (x y)) x is bound and y is free 2017-06-25T21:00:14Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-25T21:00:23Z rain1: if you want a book to refer to TAPL or any lambda calculus introduction 2017-06-25T21:02:17Z arifuzzaman: that's it? Nothing more! 2017-06-25T21:02:17Z arifuzzaman: I am new at functional programming. In fact I want to learn FP. That's why I am reading the SICP book. I am not sure if any book about lambda calculus can help me. :/ 2017-06-25T21:03:16Z rain1: yep! 2017-06-25T21:03:29Z arifuzzaman: rain1: OK. thanks :) 2017-06-25T21:04:16Z Riastradh: I am not a Church numeral; I am a free variable! 2017-06-25T21:05:17Z arifuzzaman: Riastradh: I'm sorry. I didn't get that. 2017-06-25T21:05:41Z Riastradh: Evidently this one hasn't been to the Village. 2017-06-25T21:05:56Z Riastradh: arifuzzaman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner 2017-06-25T21:06:56Z rain1: loved that show 2017-06-25T21:13:34Z arifuzzaman: Church numeral seems to be related to lambda calculus. And I know nothing about lambda calculus. 2017-06-25T21:13:34Z arifuzzaman: by the way how is that TV show related to Church numeral? 2017-06-25T21:14:49Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-06-25T21:17:36Z Riastradh: One of the signature opening lines of The Prisoner is `I am not a number; I am a free man!'. 2017-06-25T21:19:59Z arifuzzaman: Seems interesting. I think I should watch the series. Thanks. 2017-06-25T21:23:57Z jmd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T21:34:48Z jonaslund quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-25T21:40:43Z badkins joined #scheme 2017-06-25T21:52:56Z grublet quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-25T22:23:07Z windsing quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T22:23:36Z windsing joined #scheme 2017-06-25T22:23:45Z ijp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-25T22:28:36Z windsing quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-25T22:29:18Z arifuzzaman: "The meaning of a procedure definition is unchanged if a bound variable is consistently renamed throughout the definition." - Page 36~37, The SICP book. 2017-06-25T22:29:18Z arifuzzaman: What is this 'consistent renaming' ? Can anyone give an example? 2017-06-25T22:29:45Z rain1: (lambda (x) (x y)) = (lambda (a) (a y)) 2017-06-25T22:32:28Z arifuzzaman: oh! 2017-06-25T22:32:28Z arifuzzaman: Two different lambda having same properties (definitions and params) are equivalent though the names of param are different. But these are actually different object but logically similar, substitutable. Did I get right? 2017-06-25T22:39:13Z dmiles joined #scheme 2017-06-25T22:41:32Z pierpa joined #scheme 2017-06-25T22:45:30Z arbv joined #scheme 2017-06-25T22:45:51Z arifuzzaman: I think get it. Thanks. 2017-06-25T22:49:01Z windsing joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:19:13Z vicenteH` quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-25T23:20:36Z windsing quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T23:21:05Z windsing joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:24:50Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-25T23:25:44Z windsing quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-25T23:27:27Z Sheilong joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:28:04Z Sheilong: Is it worth to buy SICP paperback instead of hardcover? 2017-06-25T23:34:43Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-25T23:43:04Z windsing joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:47:56Z arbv joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:50:20Z badkins joined #scheme 2017-06-25T23:54:46Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-26T00:17:46Z lambda-11235 joined #scheme 2017-06-26T00:18:08Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-26T00:19:51Z arbv joined #scheme 2017-06-26T00:28:57Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-06-26T00:58:28Z cemerick joined #scheme 2017-06-26T00:59:17Z jao joined #scheme 2017-06-26T01:08:08Z arifuzzaman quit (Quit: arifuzzaman) 2017-06-26T01:12:03Z Menche quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-26T01:13:02Z Menche joined #scheme 2017-06-26T01:15:43Z noethics quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-26T01:21:53Z Menche quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2017-06-26T01:35:39Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-26T01:38:32Z niklasl2 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 2017-06-26T01:43:46Z niklasl2 joined #scheme 2017-06-26T01:53:12Z sleffy quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-26T02:05:26Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-26T02:23:54Z ArneBab joined #scheme 2017-06-26T02:26:18Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed) 2017-06-26T02:28:33Z ArneBab_ quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-06-26T02:32:47Z beekill joined #scheme 2017-06-26T02:36:21Z owickstrom quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-26T02:36:51Z owickstrom joined #scheme 2017-06-26T02:40:17Z pilne quit (Quit: Quitting!) 2017-06-26T02:40:59Z lritter_ joined #scheme 2017-06-26T02:44:32Z lritter quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-26T02:45:51Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-26T02:52:11Z sleffy joined #scheme 2017-06-26T02:54:22Z sleffy quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-26T02:54:39Z sleffy joined #scheme 2017-06-26T03:17:18Z eacces quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-06-26T03:30:20Z eMBee quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-26T03:30:30Z eMBee joined #scheme 2017-06-26T03:42:57Z pjb joined #scheme 2017-06-26T03:43:57Z aeth quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-26T04:02:50Z lritter_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-26T04:05:30Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-26T04:32:07Z beekill quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-26T04:39:17Z Menche joined #scheme 2017-06-26T04:42:04Z PinealGlandOptic: wow, anyone still reads paper books :) 2017-06-26T04:42:35Z PinealGlandOptic: someone, I meant 2017-06-26T04:57:20Z aeth joined #scheme 2017-06-26T05:31:28Z pjb joined #scheme 2017-06-26T05:32:10Z nulquen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-26T05:46:48Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-26T06:30:50Z Sheilong quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1)) 2017-06-26T06:31:31Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2017-06-26T06:33:12Z beekill joined #scheme 2017-06-26T06:43:03Z BW^- joined #scheme 2017-06-26T06:43:18Z BW^-: what persistent object databases do you know of, and what GC algorithms for such do you know? 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2017-06-26T11:11:43Z C-Keen: ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/pdf/AIM-452.pdf 2017-06-26T11:13:53Z osa1: C-Keen: thanks, but I meant next two versions of that 2017-06-26T11:14:08Z C-Keen: that should be r2rs 2017-06-26T11:14:15Z osa1: I have r0rs (1975), r1rs (the one you shared), and r4rs, r5rs, r6rs 2017-06-26T11:14:20Z osa1: r2rs and r3rs are missing 2017-06-26T11:14:20Z C-Keen: ah 2017-06-26T11:14:28Z C-Keen: alright 2017-06-26T11:15:19Z C-Keen: osa1: https://www.cs.indiana.edu/scheme-repository/doc.standards.html has some postscript files 2017-06-26T11:15:34Z C-Keen: of r3rs 2017-06-26T11:16:37Z osa1: C-Keen: nice, thanks. now only r2rs is missing 2017-06-26T11:18:34Z C-Keen: my pleasure osa1 2017-06-26T11:20:54Z osa1: if anyone has a copy of r2rs it'd be much appreciated :) 2017-06-26T11:21:23Z aeth quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-26T11:21:30Z aeth joined #scheme 2017-06-26T11:21:44Z C-Keen: jcowan maybe 2017-06-26T11:33:59Z z0d: is R0RS AIM-349? 2017-06-26T11:35:31Z cemerick joined #scheme 2017-06-26T11:36:41Z z0d: this is R1RS, I believe: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/6283/AIM-452.pdf 2017-06-26T11:43:51Z z0d: R1RS is AIM-452, R2RS is AIM-848, R3RS is AIM-848a and R4RS is AIM-848b as far as I can tell 2017-06-26T11:44:02Z z0d: R0RS might be the original lambda paper(s) 2017-06-26T11:50:48Z [X-Scale] joined #scheme 2017-06-26T11:52:03Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2017-06-26T11:52:55Z X-Scale quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-26T11:52:55Z [X-Scale] is now known as X-Scale 2017-06-26T11:58:58Z ecraven: z0d: thanks for those ;) 2017-06-26T11:59:35Z z0d: I mean, just searching for the releavant AIM's, you can download any RnRS 2017-06-26T11:59:51Z z0d: or, am I missing something? 2017-06-26T12:01:07Z ecraven: looks fine. Someone™ might convert them from scans to something easier to diff and search, but I just found them all available online within a few minutes 2017-06-26T12:03:17Z z0d: I've already started converting the original lambda papers 2017-06-26T12:03:32Z ecraven: cool, online anywhere? 2017-06-26T12:03:52Z z0d: not done yet, but I'll make it available 2017-06-26T12:05:09Z ecraven: what are you using? 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Just new at Functional Programming. 2017-06-27T01:49:31Z arifuzzaman: I was reading the sicp book and encountered tail-recursion which is new to me. Then I googled it and read about it in stackoverflow. 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I just finished the 5A, where they introduced the assignment (set!) and I have a couple of questions about define vs let 2017-06-27T12:33:39Z Ojd: my understanding is that let is for local scope and define for top level 2017-06-27T12:33:50Z nulquen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-27T12:33:57Z ecraven: Ojd: you can have "internal" defines, but in general that's correct 2017-06-27T12:35:29Z Ojd: thanks ecraven, I think that is my big question 2017-06-27T12:35:32Z Ojd: for example 2017-06-27T12:35:46Z Ojd: https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhlBkEw9k9tY 2017-06-27T12:36:11Z nulquen joined #scheme 2017-06-27T12:36:24Z ecraven: the second example is indented incorrectly 2017-06-27T12:36:54Z Ojd: sorry about that 2017-06-27T12:37:04Z ecraven: http://ix.io/y3h 2017-06-27T12:37:19Z ecraven: define comes before its scope, while let is around its scope 2017-06-27T12:38:22Z Ojd: would you mind explaining that a little more? 2017-06-27T12:39:31Z ecraven: well, let binds the names inside its body 2017-06-27T12:39:50Z ecraven: so (begin (let ((x 1)) (+ (- x 1))) x) means that the last x is unbound 2017-06-27T12:39:58Z ecraven: because it does not occur inside the let 2017-06-27T12:40:20Z ecraven: while (begin (define x 1) (+ (- x 1)) x) works alright 2017-06-27T12:40:37Z ecraven: however, for let you always know the extent of the scope, while for define, you don't 2017-06-27T12:40:38Z pjb: not unbound, just it's a free variable. It could be bound globally. 2017-06-27T12:40:50Z ecraven: yea, sorry, assuming it's unbound globally 2017-06-27T12:46:56Z Ojd: I think I get it: where I know the extent of my scope it wouldn't matter if I use let or define, however, if it is not the case, let would result in free variables 2017-06-27T12:47:27Z nomicflux quit (Quit: nomicflux) 2017-06-27T12:47:57Z ecraven: Ojd: you should always know the scope. it's mostly a matter of style 2017-06-27T12:48:06Z ecraven: personally, I prefer let in most cases 2017-06-27T12:50:04Z nulquen quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-27T12:50:10Z Ojd: ok. thank you very much for the help 2017-06-27T12:50:58Z ecraven: very welcome, stay a while and listen ;) 2017-06-27T12:53:27Z Ojd: I will :) 2017-06-27T12:59:21Z nulquen joined #scheme 2017-06-27T13:01:57Z badkins joined #scheme 2017-06-27T13:17:39Z Ojd: May I ask how do you guys use scheme? 2017-06-27T13:17:51Z Ojd: I come from python and c++ 2017-06-27T13:18:06Z ecraven: Ojd: I use it for lots of small and personal projects, and also a bit of small-scale commercial web development 2017-06-27T13:18:23Z Ojd: and now I am trying to get a grasp of lisp just because it is always recommended by serious programmers 2017-06-27T13:18:56Z ecraven: Ojd: if nothing else, learning Scheme will give you an alternative view on programming ;) 2017-06-27T13:20:31Z Ojd: well, it was really hard at the beginning, but after I while I managed to replace c++ scripts with scheme scripts for my daily work 2017-06-27T13:22:28Z ecraven: which scheme implementation do you use? 2017-06-27T13:23:08Z Ojd: DrRacket 2017-06-27T13:23:35Z Ojd: but I recently downloaded chicken, haven't tried yet 2017-06-27T13:23:42Z BW^- joined #scheme 2017-06-27T13:24:44Z Ojd: you? 2017-06-27T13:26:13Z ecraven: mostly MIT/GNU Scheme 2017-06-27T13:26:18Z ecraven: recently a bit of chibi, for portable r7rs stuff 2017-06-27T13:30:04Z jcowan joined #scheme 2017-06-27T13:31:29Z Ojd: I couldn't install MIT/GNU scheme in my PC (I don't have adm privileges here) 2017-06-27T13:31:45Z ecraven: it has its quirks, but I really like it 2017-06-27T13:36:02Z Ojd: DrRacket was pretty convenient for me at the beginning, but now I realize it differs substantially from other implementations 2017-06-27T13:45:17Z cromachina_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-27T13:49:43Z nanoz quit (Quit: <3) 2017-06-27T13:50:57Z beekill joined #scheme 2017-06-27T13:53:17Z Ravana quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9) 2017-06-27T13:56:12Z bjz joined #scheme 2017-06-27T14:03:23Z rudybot joined #scheme 2017-06-27T14:17:18Z BW^- quit (Quit: BW^-) 2017-06-27T14:21:25Z BW^- joined #scheme 2017-06-27T14:45:53Z BW^- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-27T14:54:35Z aeth_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-27T14:54:50Z webshinra quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-27T14:56:52Z beekill quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-27T15:03:47Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2017-06-27T15:09:48Z narendraj9 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-27T15:11:34Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2017-06-27T15:13:58Z narendraj9 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-27T15:16:11Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2017-06-27T15:26:06Z sethalves quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-27T15:26:16Z aeth joined #scheme 2017-06-27T15:27:06Z webshinra joined #scheme 2017-06-27T15:29:31Z bjz quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Is it better to 'contain' the error and handle it within the method, or to return it to the caller? 2017-06-29T17:46:00Z wasamasa: this ultimately depends on whether the function can deal with the error or not 2017-06-29T17:49:40Z takitus: Right. 2017-06-29T17:54:05Z wasamasa: I'm somewhat concerned you speak of methods :P 2017-06-29T17:55:53Z alezost joined #scheme 2017-06-29T17:59:29Z arifuzzaman joined #scheme 2017-06-29T18:00:01Z arifuzzaman quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-29T18:00:42Z arifuzzaman joined #scheme 2017-06-29T18:00:45Z arifuzzaman quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-29T18:03:46Z takitus: wasamasa: i.e. Why would methods be a special case? 2017-06-29T18:04:19Z wasamasa: methods are an OOP term 2017-06-29T18:04:20Z takitus: wasamasa: Good question. I don't think they should be, but that's part of why I asked. 2017-06-29T18:04:27Z wasamasa: a method belongs to an object 2017-06-29T18:04:53Z wasamasa: scheme isn't an object-oriented language, its users speak of functions and procedures 2017-06-29T18:05:15Z wasamasa: you may of course extend it to support object-oriented programming, then the term makes sense again :P 2017-06-29T18:05:22Z gwatt: unless there's CLOS like system. e.g., GOOPS 2017-06-29T18:05:40Z takitus: wasamasa, I'm really sorry. I meant to post that question to #go-nuts. 2017-06-29T18:05:44Z wasamasa: lol 2017-06-29T18:05:47Z takitus: *facepalm* 2017-06-29T18:05:50Z gwatt: ahaha 2017-06-29T18:05:57Z wasamasa: I already wondered why you'd be concerned with error handling 2017-06-29T18:06:10Z takitus: I suppose I've lost my membership in the Knights of the Lambda Calculus now. 2017-06-29T18:12:24Z takitus: wasamasa: Incidentally, thank you for reminding me that methods are just OOP terminology. 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