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Paredit doesn't like the unmatched brace in the prompt ]=> , anyone know how to change that? 20:28:42 Someone asked me that a while ago. I had two answers; let me see if I can find that message or reconstruct the answers. 20:29:21 Riastradh: Thanks! 20:29:54 If you want to hack up Scheme (e.g., in your .scheme.init file -- I assume judging by the prompt that you're using MIT Scheme): 20:30:00 (set-repl/prompt! (nearest-repl) ">") 20:30:04 (set! user-initial-prompt ">") 20:30:30 If you want to hack up Emacs, and are OK with square brackets being treated as word constituents rather than list delimiters: 20:30:39 (modify-syntax-entry ?[ "_ " scheme-mode-syntax-table) 20:30:44 (modify-syntax-entry ?] "_ " scheme-mode-syntax-table) 20:33:58 These are independent -- either of them should work alone. 20:34:19 Riastradh: tried the first ones, worked great, thanks! 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-!- choas [~lars@p508973E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:08:35 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #scheme 04:09:34 aranhoide: you don't really need to reply to gavino (aka chaotic_good and a number of other weird names). 04:13:20 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:15:50 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:00 strobegen [~Adium@188.168.72.236] has joined #scheme 04:32:31 what is the rationale for the distinction between symbols and keywords? 04:33:39 There's a paper from PLT guys about it. 04:34:26 Basically, it simplifies some things like avoiding parsing arguments at run time. 04:37:14 Besides, if you know how CL does that, keywords are symbols that live in special package. 04:38:00 Scheme doesn't have symbol packages, if it want to achieve some separation it has to employ some other technique. 04:39:21 that 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A bit off topic but - what book would You recommend for learning perl? 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I can't wait until someone ports cl-prevalence to scheme 18:59:32 then full stack web sites in scheme only! 18:59:40 with outstanding speeds! 19:00:52 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:01:21 ah, gavino got a new nick 19:01:38 it's been a while since that happened 19:06:56 how hard is it to read in a file, space delimited, in scheme, and to convert it to a list 19:07:05 then split the list by newline into sublists? 19:07:19 that I can then operate on to compute scores and print them out in order? 19:07:33 file stuff and os kinda blasts me in lisp 19:07:38 somethign with streams or something? 19:09:39 any scheme app or web servers use epoll/kqueue yet? I heard racket webserver is multithreaded? 19:14:12 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD622AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:09 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD622AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:21:50 sunet if it had N cpu capabilities sounds awesome 19:21:51 hatFolk [~hatFolk@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 19:22:06 but I think its not good with say 16 cpu boxes, might be stuck on 1 cpu.... 19:22:08 not sure 19:34:04 bars0 [~Name@d143-96.icpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 19:44:38 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD622AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:51:10 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-160-36.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51:47 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD622AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:57:31 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD622AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:23 add^_ [~user@m176-70-201-196.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 20:09:01 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-160-36.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:10:15 http://docs.racket-lang.org/web-server/run.html hmmm 20:12:32 http://docs.racket-lang.org/web-server/formlets.html ooow!! 20:13:50 -!- djbclark [~djbclark@fsf/member/djbclark] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:15:43 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:52 -!- hatFolk [~hatFolk@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:09 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has joined #scheme 20:30:53 -!- bars0 [~Name@d143-96.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:34:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:38:55 djbclark [~djbclark@lab-3.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 20:38:56 -!- djbclark [~djbclark@lab-3.mit.edu] has quit [Changing host] 20:38:56 djbclark [~djbclark@fsf/member/djbclark] has joined #scheme 20:54:30 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 20:57:00 -!- fire [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:57:57 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A69B2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:06:30 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 21:20:13 -!- DeathByDoubleD-1 is now known as DeathByDoubleDip 21:20:50 jewel [~jewel@197.111.223.250] has joined #scheme 21:27:57 UltimateNickFury [~nevzets@unaffiliated/nevzets] has joined #scheme 21:28:10 So ehh, what exactly is the boejction with square braces in r6 that a lot of people seem to have/ 21:28:48 mostly that they see them as unnecessary 21:30:52 That is a weird arugment against including something that doesn't conflict with anything, takes no effort whatsoever to implement and causes zero overhead. 21:31:12 Welcome to Scheme. 21:31:56 Vote me for dictator impetuus of scheme and I will enforce that all function calls start with ( and all syntax with [ 21:31:59 you've managed to skip ahead to stage 2 already 21:32:30 Also, universal health care and rid of that bay where we keep all the common lispers without due process 21:33:01 we need that bay 21:33:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:31 Hey hey, peple who are willing to surrender their civil liberties for some temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. 21:33:43 Some old fart who was famous said it, it must be true. 21:34:01 but ( purity means code as data works 21:34:07 break that and break code as data 21:34:11 ya no? 21:34:25 well, making them interchangable still means code as dat works 21:34:40 And code as data in scheme is already more or less not part of spec. 21:34:57 In the alternative, why not say that [ ... ] is a vector and syntax is in vectors and function calls in lists. 21:35:06 Ignoring the issue of backwards compatibility 21:35:20 *shrug* Adding square brackets as an alias for round brackets doesn't add anything new but a jarring lexical distinction without a difference. 21:35:56 It doesn't add anything new but it's not like there's a compelling reason not to. 21:36:36 And almost every implementation supported already and what standard would not include something that is found in 99% of implementations 21:36:40 thief_badguy: don't you have something equally pointless, but geographically distant you could be doing? 21:38:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@197.111.223.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:11 -!- ouie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:42:26 ijp: I think square brackets are a bad idea 21:43:30 thief_badguy, pray motivate. 21:43:35 I am all for motivation 21:43:41 Since I currently have none. 21:43:49 No fame, no glory, no fast cars, no money 21:44:10 well 21:44:25 nice working software is its own reward 21:44:52 but has many rewards as well by being useful 21:44:56 and by not being java 21:45:03 UltimateNickFury: this is gavino, please ignore him 21:45:25 UltimateNickFury: ignore ijp instead, he's boring 21:45:28 Well, I shall consider nevertheless make my own judgements. 21:45:43 thief_badguy, anyway, tell me why you think square braces are a bad idea. 21:45:52 Because I find them to help with my syntax highliting. 21:45:53 UltimateNickFury: long story short, he comes on here every other month, and asks the exact same question 21:46:00 ijp, which is? 21:46:50 usually the question is "how do I write a website in scheme", but there is also "has anyone written a prevalence like db for scheme" and a few similar ones 21:47:14 he isn't really interested in the answer 21:47:17 Wel, if no one answers one can't blame a girl for trying again. 21:47:18 Ahh 21:47:24 And what lead you to conclude that? 21:47:31 UltimateNickFury: that he's been doing it for years 21:47:32 He's been at it for about a decade now. 21:47:34 I would like to know actually how to effectively replace php with scheme. 21:47:39 ijp, has he gotten an answer in years? 21:47:49 I fell for it at least twice 21:48:06 ijp, well, in that event you may answer me actually 21:48:30 How does one on a non private server host scheme to get a mysql -> text program 21:48:36 Effectively replace PHP with Scheme? You need to apply corrective phrenology to millions of PHP programmers and their managers and the HR drones who look for `PHP' on resumes. 21:48:39 and it's not just here, it's sometimes #racket, sometimes #guile, etc. 21:48:53 Riastradh, no, I mean replace it for me. 21:49:05 I am the ultimate php ninja, mind you. 21:49:29 I already explained that, square brackets defeat code as data. 21:49:32 I would go sof ar as to say that I can build a conforming implementation of == in php from the top of my head, such is my extensive knowledge of php. 21:49:35 thief_badguy, how? 21:49:45 If [a b c d] and (a b c d) are identical, both lists 21:49:53 I mean (a b c . (d)) is the same list as well 21:50:01 b having a symbol aside from ( or ) indicate 21:50:05 As is (a . (b . (c . (d . ())))) 21:50:10 by- 21:50:20 Many structures have different textual repraesentations 21:50:27 (a b) and (a b) also are the same list 21:51:01 UltimateNickFury: there isn't really a *portable* library for talking to mysql from scheme 21:51:34 http://paulgraham.com/diff.html see #6 21:51:42 Hmm, that is most unfortinate 21:51:43 because, as you may have noticed already, there are like 200 schemes 21:51:46 using mysql is a mistake anyhow 21:51:53 So there is no srfi for simply querying 21:52:29 so basically you need to pick your preferred flavour of arsenic, and then ask the question again 21:52:55 thief_badguy, how do square brackets remove programs composed of expressions? 21:53:05 Because as far as I know everything is still an expression in r6 whcih has square brackets 21:53:35 I suggest you give up trying to engage gavino; it's not worth anyone's time. 21:53:36 right 21:53:43 Riastradh, shh 21:53:47 the ( and ) suffice, to add [ ] is silly 21:53:54 I must uncover what drives the madness behind it 21:54:01 Then please do it privately. 21:54:07 well 21:54:09 -!- pumpkin360 [~main@bcs146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 21:54:16 Well, (a . 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())) also tecnically suffices, (a b) is convenient 21:54:25 So is [a b] in some case for say better syntax highlitying 21:54:28 Riastradh: if you anser his question, since he doesnt liek my answer, I will partt the channel 21:54:45 I did answer his question. 21:55:01 the bit about jarring syntax? 21:55:36 *shrug* Adding square brackets as an alias for round brackets doesn't add anything new but a jarring lexical distinction without a difference. 21:56:43 -!- davercc`` [~user@184-157-243-160.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:12 Well, is there a discussion about this on some news group, it was apaprently controversial and I'd love to read the arguemnts 21:58:27 Probably dozens of them. 21:59:06 I wana read the one between the static typing guy and Riastradh, that I think would be epic, I think give insight into ML / haskell vs scheme/common lisp........ 21:59:20 I'm googling, can really find any. 21:59:31 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 21:59:37 ina nutshell what is your argument agaisnt static typing Riastradh ? I see racket is adding all kinda static typing stuff 22:00:14 I seem to remember paul grhaam saying its easy to avoid the problems of dynamic typing while enjoying the benefits of lists with mixed types... or some such 22:02:38 how come everyone hates toalking with me 22:02:48 like the wub I love discussin 22:02:51 but others do not 22:02:53 sigh 22:04:04 "the wub" is I? 22:04:19 the wub is a creature is a scifi story 22:04:23 thief_badguy, Ithink that ostensibly on the surface a lot of what you say makes no sense, maybe there's something deeper I don understand though. 22:04:34 UltimateNickFury: like what? 22:04:36 Like saying that square braces break homoiconicity, from my perspective that assertion is absurd. 22:04:50 But maybe there is something under there that I don't understand you are trying to communicate 22:04:55 well why would u want a square bracket instead of simply using a normal ( 22:04:57 or ) 22:04:58 ? 22:05:00 why? 22:05:13 the entire lisp langauge built with ) and ( 22:05:23 but u want to now add [ and ]???? 22:05:25 why? 22:05:28 Well, it can help catch errors more easily because they have to match each other 22:05:35 provides for better syntax highlting. 22:05:42 says who? 22:05:49 Please take this noise elsewhere. 22:05:51 Says context free grammars. 22:06:11 How is it noise, it's hard to deny it's completely on topic. 22:06:59 Arguing with gavino is noise. 22:07:22 I am not arguing but discussing 22:07:55 Riastradh, okay, I get it, you don't like him or her, I don't see the problem as long as it's on topic, ignore exists. 22:08:10 (define (gavino) (let loop () (display "but why?\n") (read)(loop))) 22:08:14 I cant even talk until someone gets mad liek ria 22:08:16 jeesh 22:08:20 UltimateNickFury: ^^ run that in the privacy of your repl 22:08:23 so dissatisfying 22:08:50 ijp, you don't have to talk to him or her and at the moment you two are disrupting a discussion which IS on topic and about scheme. 22:08:50 anyway, I gave you fair warning, enjoy your brick wall 22:09:01 With noise about how you don't like a person. 22:09:20 UltimateNickFury: I am not a lisp expert, so I guess ask those wise ones 22:09:24 Riastradh: some people have to learn the hard way 22:09:40 I will form my own opinions about people thank you very much. 22:10:42 thief_badguy, anyway, different forms of braces make catching errors in mismatched braces more easy. Like, say you forgot a brace somewhere and the next brace is of the "wrong type" the implementation can more accurately guess where you forgot one 22:10:44 Please form your opinion of gavino in private, then. 22:10:54 Since it's probably before the wrong one. 22:11:21 ok but when you have macroes and complex stuff that all expects ( and ) 22:11:31 you now have to change other stuff to expect to look for [ and ] 22:11:33 No, I will not, this is completely on topic, I wouldn't moved to private if it was some off topic discussion not pertaining to scheme but as it stands you are disrupting an on topic discussion about scheme from someone asking for help. 22:11:37 while gaining what? 22:11:38 thief_badguy, they don't, they are identical. 22:11:41 It's a reader thing 22:11:51 The macro sees all ( ... ), no [ ... ] basically 22:11:59 The difference is thrown away at "read time" if you will 22:12:03 why not use ( and ) 22:12:12 you use them for all other stuff 22:12:27 you have to match lal thsoe other braces 22:12:36 Sigh. 22:12:39 Well, you can use both, some people feel that interspacing [ .. ] creates more clarity because it's more easy to see which brace ends what. 22:12:46 thief_badguy, do you know what rainbow braces are? 22:13:19 nop 22:13:26 I dont reallyt even know scheme 22:13:31 I mean I know some basics 22:13:34 thief_badguy, it's a feature in some editors where they colour matches braces differently. 22:13:51 Well, like, if you have ((( ... ))) in some editors, they colour the inner braces red, the next green, then blue and then they start red again 22:13:58 it seems to me still that the [ ] are bad idea becasue rest of language uses ( ) 22:14:12 these are called rainbrow braces because it's easier to see which brace matches up with others. 22:14:21 intresting 22:14:29 thief_badguy, well, basically alternating between ( and [ mantually provides a similar function. 22:15:25 Like, say you have find a brace "]" a closing one somewhere, you know it closes a "[" so you can more clearly see what exactly it closes in a long expression 22:15:32 Hold on, let me paste something 22:17:23 sounds like too much complexity for basic convenience 22:17:41 maybe definig more fucntions 22:17:45 and using them in other functions 22:17:45 thief_badguy: http://pastebin.com/cscsEc9F 22:17:46 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 22:17:56 can amke things easier to read in your longer programs 22:18:02 and solve this not need to be sovled problem 22:18:31 Well, it isn't adding a lot of complexity, it's trivial to implement, and causes no overhead, it's a very minor modification in the parser that can typically made in 10 minutes 22:18:46 -!- akenisuto [~akenisuto@HSI-KBW-37-209-74-126.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:18:55 So the thing is 'Why not?', a lot of people find that style I used there, to use [ ... ] in let blocks to be easier to read so why not? 22:19:49 It makes it more easy to see if your braces match basically if you put [ ... ] in the right place, it fulfills the function of rainbow braces 22:21:21 hm 22:21:39 does proper indenting solve this? 22:21:41 maybe not 22:21:48 it would seem unless its widely adopted 22:21:54 it would be a nice syntactic sugar 22:22:07 Well, all things help. 22:22:08 but not gain anyone much but a little simpler to see eye debugging 22:22:09 hmmm 22:22:14 And yeah, that's what it is, exactly syntactic sugar. 22:22:21 It doesn't change anything about the operative semantics. 22:22:34 All the little things help a little, it's certainly not a miracle solution but it helps a little so why not? 22:23:20 sure 22:23:29 but others wanting your code could be in for nasty suprise 22:24:03 Well, it's extremely easy for a simple algorithm to change it. 22:24:13 Like, my text editor has a plugin which does this for scheme 22:24:21 Substitues all [ .. ] by ( .. ) 22:24:26 what scheme programs over 300 lines do you use? 22:24:39 You mean programs or read the code? 22:25:01 The last code of over 300 lines I read was the larceny compiler 22:25:42 like what big programs do you wrtite and maintina in scheme? 22:25:56 and what do they do? 22:26:15 wha tprograms have your written in scheme say over 100 lines of code? 22:28:43 100 isn't big though, the last thing I wrote incidentally was 98 and was a macro. The biggest program I wrote in scheme is probably the systems monitor that runs on my destkop. 22:28:57 At least, part of its logic is in scheme 22:29:30 tupi [~user@189.60.15.221] has joined #scheme 22:29:45 That said, the [ ... ] convention in let and cond forms is quite popular 22:30:08 (let ([v e] ...) body ...) 22:30:40 I personally like to write it [let [[v e]] ... ] body ...] for personal code though which is highly unorthodox 22:33:13 if it mkaes u happy 22:33:17 it cant be that badd 22:34:43 I want to do lisp web apps. 22:34:44 :) 22:34:52 It isn't, but it's unconventional 22:34:58 Well, what stops you? 22:36:13 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37:04 -!- UltimateNickFury [~nevzets@unaffiliated/nevzets] has left #scheme 22:40:38 time contraints 22:40:45 time constraints 22:40:50 lot going on 22:41:38 artanis by guile is interesting 22:41:40 sunet 22:41:45 racket web server 22:41:51 IM sure other stuff 22:41:57 I wont go 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[~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 18:47:30 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:51:04 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60538.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:51:38 havenwood [~Havenn@pool-71-189-127-88.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:52:09 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 18:52:14 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p57923C05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:00 jcowan [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 19:00:43 I'm looking at this question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20858053/scheme-passing-defines-inside-macro-definition-to-submacro 19:00:43 http://tinyurl.com/maxccyr 19:01:08 As far as I can see, it ought to work, and it does work on all syntax-rules-supporting Schemes in my suite except Chibi and MIT. 19:01:18 Anyone see any reason why it should fail? 19:01:53 -!- davexuni` [~user@38.104.7.18] has quit [Quit: Later] 19:03:56 -!- weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:04:36 -!- havenwood [~Havenn@pool-71-189-127-88.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 19:07:44 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has joined #scheme 19:10:01 Nope. Sounds like a bug in Chibi and MIT Scheme. 19:10:19 Does it fail in internal scopes too? 19:13:56 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:49 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has joined #scheme 19:15:25 Testing.... 19:18:52 Yes, both fail when wrapped in `let`. However, MIT now gives a different error: "Premature reference to reserved name: bar" rather than "Unbound variable: baz" 19:19:43 All other systems nicely return 42. 19:21:18 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22:31 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has joined #scheme 19:25:45 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:03 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:06:40 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09:03 hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:16:22 jcowan_ [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 20:16:33 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:18:16 -!- jcowan [~John@earth.ccil.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:58 Ogion [~Ogion@213.Red-83-49-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:25:06 -!- erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:31:16 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 20:34:34 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.102.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:35:34 jcowan_ [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 20:36:13 -!- jcowan [~John@earth.ccil.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:36:19 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 20:48:55 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:56:37 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:58:52 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:16 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:09:17 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@p54A681B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09:31 jewel [~jewel@197.168.90.200] has joined #scheme 21:10:24 davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has joined #scheme 21:13:57 akenisuto [~akenisuto@HSI-KBW-37-209-74-126.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #scheme 21:15:51 -!- akenisuto [~akenisuto@HSI-KBW-37-209-74-126.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:16:09 akenisuto [~akenisuto@HSI-KBW-37-209-74-126.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #scheme 21:19:43 -!- jewel [~jewel@197.168.90.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:22 pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has joined #scheme 21:30:23 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 21:33:19 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:53 erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has joined #scheme 22:22:41 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:36:43 -!- pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:50:49 -!- ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:08 ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 23:04:11 jao [~jao@31.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 23:04:14 -!- jao [~jao@31.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Changing host] 23:04:15 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:12:19 DeathByDoubleDip [~DeathByDo@cpe-76-168-226-246.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:48:32 pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has joined #scheme