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extension without luck... any ideas? 03:36:28 -!- duggiefresh [~dug@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: duggiefresh] 03:40:48 haole: my guess is that you simply don't have that file present ... or else you're missing some other file that it depends upon 03:40:59 maybe run "ldd" on the .so to see what it depends on 03:41:10 I have the following file: /usr/lib/graphviz/guile/libgv_guile.so 03:41:25 according to ldd I have all the dependencies 03:41:29 how do I debug this? 03:41:39 I don't know how to step-debug with guile... I'm looking for this in the docs 03:41:41 *offby1* scratches head 03:41:50 did I not just suggest that you run "ldd" on it? 03:42:11 I did and I answered: all the dependencies are there :) 03:42:31 ah, sorry 03:42:34 then I'm stumped 03:42:51 It's strange because it's a default debian installation for the package 03:43:01 and the man page has an explicit command line for loading the extension 03:43:10 so this must be a bug in Debian, even if it's a documentation one 03:44:57 duggiefresh_ [~dug@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:55:44 how do I find out the search path for extensions (dynamic-link) in guile? 03:58:20 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:59:11 dunno :-| I assume it follows the usual rules, which are probably documented in the GNU C Library Reference manual 04:01:00 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:01:14 man, this is frustrating :( 04:03:05 -!- duggiefresh_ 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Is there such an animal or must I write it? 12:13:36 srfi-13 has STRING-TOKENIZE 12:13:40 which Scheme do you use? 12:13:56 guile 12:14:29 it seems guile provides string-tokenize 12:16:03 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16:23 ecraven: Thanks 12:34:36 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:38:24 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 12:41:36 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 12:44:26 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 12:44:29 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:44:29 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 12:55:19 -!- YoungFrog [~youngfrog@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:22 duggiefresh [~dyun@c1fw228.constantcontact.com] has joined #scheme 13:02:51 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 13:03:01 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[~ddp@rrcs-173-197-107-9.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:42:39 Hello. I'm a Ph.D. student at DePaul University in Chicago, IL US and was wondering if Scheme would be a good language for me to learn if I wanted to go into the Artificial Intelligence concentration. 21:46:59 jabbott: probably best to ask the faculty you would be working with what languages they use on their projects. 21:47:56 Understood. Thanks asumu 21:48:16 -!- jabbott [8cc0713d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.192.113.61] has left #scheme 21:49:36 defanor [~d@ppp91-77-113-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:55:07 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:58:48 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-226-242.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:11 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af438f4.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:38 IMHO Scheme is always a great langauge to know about, even if you don't actually use it for anything.. it sets a good mindset 22:02:31 pothos [~pothos@36-224-96-110.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 22:07:47 fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 22:09:00 protagoras [~his_shado@64.124.65.162] has joined #scheme 22:09:24 -!- protagoras is now known as Guest6088 22:11:42 -!- Guest6088 [~his_shado@64.124.65.162] has quit [Client Quit] 22:11:59 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:12:10 xenophon [~his_shado@64.124.65.162] has joined #scheme 22:12:44 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:20:42 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:21:30 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 22:24:04 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:27:26 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32:19 -!- vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38:55 -!- defanor [~d@ppp91-77-113-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:59 defanor [~d@ppp91-77-121-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:42:06 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:42:50 nowhere_man [~pierre@5070B859.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #scheme 22:45:01 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FFF39FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:47:52 -!- defanor [~d@ppp91-77-121-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:49:41 defanor [~d@ppp91-77-123-40.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:51:16 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-55-36.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:05 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-55-36.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:53:31 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD56E6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:40 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:01:49 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 23:05:18 -!- xenophon [~his_shado@64.124.65.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:11 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:06:30 -!- defanor [~d@ppp91-77-123-40.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09:31 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:58 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:01 defanor [~d@ppp91-77-113-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:19:28 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:19:31 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:19:32 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:24:31 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@93-86-139-45.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Pozdrav] 23:26:24 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:29:45 tabemann [~travisb@adsl-69-217-168-154.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 23:46:10 -!- krig [~krig@109.74.3.242] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:51:25 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:51:59 krig [~krig@109.74.3.242] has joined #scheme 00:01:55 sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has joined #scheme 00:06:14 -!- ddp [~ddp@rrcs-173-197-107-9.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ddp] 00:06:35 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:24 ddp [~ddp@ip-64-134-227-191.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 00:45:43 klutometis: wumpii, surely 00:46:08 leonerd: it "builds character" 00:46:10 *offby1* rolls eyes 00:48:30 offby1: Heh; like "virii"? 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Still, SICP seems very appealing to me. Is there anything which should be said in defense of SICP ro to relativize the points made in the paper I read? 16:53:57 sigh 16:53:59 if you want to read SICP, just read SICP 16:55:07 no point fishing for justifications. You're an adult, you can make your own mind up. 16:55:17 No, thats not what I meant. 16:55:41 I just have a hard time deciding. 16:55:49 flip a coin 16:55:51 or do both 16:56:11 Yeah, Ill think I just read them parallely and then decide. 16:56:17 -ll 16:56:26 ] 17:00:19 (Also, maybe Im 11 years old and no adult?) 17:00:32 ((Though I am and just couldnt make up my mind.)) 17:02:19 any time i recommended a brand new programmer to read sicp it hasn't ended very well 17:02:46 i don't think new programmers need to understand how interpreters and evaluation strategies work when they are struggling with the concept of assignment 17:04:04 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04:11 -!- pnkfelix1 [~Adium@89.202.203.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:04:56 though arguably it would be better if they didn't start by struggling with assignment 17:07:40 -!- vraid [~vraid@h217-27-188-90.cust.tyfon.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:56 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD565C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21:53 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:55 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 17:24:52 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:09 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 17:37:48 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:41:26 I read SICP as my first book on programming. I'm still a terrible programmer, but I am somehow doing a PhD in theoretical computer science. 17:41:42 (I'm not sure if this is an advertisement or a warning.) 17:42:28 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD565C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:42:34 .oO(fds maximus: extinct in the wild. do not feed) 17:45:41 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 17:46:38 No, do feed; please feed. Free food is the best part about doing a PhD. 17:46:53 I got some today, but they took a pint of my blood in return. :-s 17:48:58 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:50:42 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:50:45 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:50:45 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 18:00:42 mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 18:01:17 rixed_ [~rixed@rixed.happyleptic.org] has joined #scheme 18:02:25 -!- rixed_ [~rixed@rixed.happyleptic.org] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:38 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03:29 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:04:12 vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:06:01 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af438f4.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Remote host 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learn programming, you should probably read HtDP first. *Then* you should read SICP. 18:40:08 Then you should read "Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming" 18:40:14 -!- ijp [~user@host81-155-241-158.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:31 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 18:40:50 And if you are still feeling ambitious after that, you could tackle "Practical Foundations for Programming Languages" 18:41:50 Though at some point along that path, you probably ought to just write a bunch of programs that are fun and/or do useful things. 18:42:25 ijp` [~user@host86-182-23-105.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:44:20 -!- ijp [~user@host86-182-23-158.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:44:23 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 18:45:23 -!- ddp [~ddp@rrcs-173-197-107-9.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ddp] 18:47:03 Thanks! 18:48:14 ijp` [~user@host86-182-215-13.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has 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timeout: 264 seconds] 23:26:29 what is the reason to provide separate functions for closing input and output ports? 23:26:54 tabemann [~travisb@adsl-69-217-164-181.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 23:28:44 defanor_: scheme is strongly typed :-) 23:29:25 implementation of generic functions is left as an exercise for the student. 23:30:45 pjb: thanks. btw, could there be any other reason to provide such separate functions in a language? 23:33:36 I don't know any. See for example (list-)length, vector-length, and string-length too. 23:33:46 In CL, it's CL:LENGTH for all of them. 23:35:12 or even (car '()) -> error in scheme, since (not (pair? '())). 23:36:54 yeah, thanks again 23:38:12 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:36 -!- zett_zelett [~zett_zele@p5DE78B33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54:43 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:06 defanor_: there are ports that can be both input and output, this allows closing only one side 23:59:11 tiksa [~tiksa@178-222-82-172.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #scheme 00:01:11 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 00:01:35 -!- ijp [~user@host81-155-243-16.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:54 ijp [~user@host81-155-243-16.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 00:02:30 ijp: thanks 00:02:55 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:02:56 and r6rs did provide a 'close-port' 00:03:11 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:04:14 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:42 -!- tabemann is now known as tabemann|eating 00:34:32 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:35:29 06:34] < ybit> what is going on in the first and second lines here? 00:35:29 [06:34] < ybit> https://gist.github.com/heath/6ba09270f2bbc2c5a795 00:39:43 that's some awful formatting right there 00:39:53 * ski pasted "indented" at 00:40:15 ybit: how much scheme do you know? 00:41:17 `cond' has a sequence of conditions to try, the first condition that's satisfied will abort checking the rest of them, and instead selecting the expression associated with the condition to be evaluated 00:42:18 `(symbol? e)' checks whether `e' is a symbol. if so, `(cadr (assq e env))' is evaluated as the result of the whole `cond' (and thus in this case as the result of the call to `eval') 00:43:47 if not, then `(eq? 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