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[~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 03:46:26 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:47:55 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 03:50:17 -!- asumu is now known as shimei 03:50:24 -!- shimei [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:50:42 how has that anything to do with scheme 03:50:59 -!- covi_ [~covi@wasp.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:51:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 03:52:22 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 03:52:29 -!- asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Changing host] 03:52:29 asumu [~at@racket/asumu] has joined #scheme 03:53:27 Englightenment? Is that what happens when an engineer is enlightened? 03:53:34 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 03:54:55 An engineer or an Englishman, maybe 03:55:57 -!- kbs [~user@173-228-80-252.dsl.static.sonic.net] has left #scheme 03:58:10 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:59:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:01:11 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:01:12 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 04:01:12 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #scheme 04:06:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:11:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:12:46 bro_grammer [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:15:44 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:18:12 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:18:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:20:36 sizz [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:21:14 -!- bro_grammer [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:21:42 -!- sizz_ [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:26:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:38:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:39:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:46:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 04:54:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 05:00:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:02:55 -!- b4283 [~b4283@114-47-4-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:07:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:08:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:11:20 why wont (define 4000 3000) work? 05:14:42 why won't (define 4000 3000 work 05:14:51 ?? 05:15:06 i dropped a paren 05:15:11 and am asking you why it won't work 05:15:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:18:08 because there is no closing paren? 05:18:15 i was being a jerk 05:18:32 but my point was that it was not syntactically valid 05:19:00 oh 05:19:07 would (define '4000 3000) work? 05:19:25 in your case, 4000 is an identifier 05:19:30 is not& 05:19:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:20:04 so what you are doing is wrong at a syntactic level 05:20:19 not& 05:20:22 whats that mean? 05:20:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:21:09 that means i am having difficulty typing 05:21:30 is there a way to make 4000 -> 3000 then? 05:21:44 no 05:22:04 roderic [~roderic@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 05:22:50 (define four-thousand 3000) 05:23:23 kilimanjaro: i don think thats what i am looking for... 05:23:27 How's it going Quadrescence 05:23:45 it is going O K A Y 05:24:10 c o o l 05:26:32 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:27:09 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-149-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 05:27:11 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:29:41 SpacePoet, you want to actually change the value of the number 4000? 05:29:54 As in, you want (+ 2000 2000) ;===> 3000? 05:30:17 sheepFRITZ: yeah thats what i want 05:30:21 but i dont want to change + 05:30:27 Yeah 05:30:29 I figured 05:30:39 SpacePoet, I don't think you can 05:30:48 In fact, I know you can't 05:31:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:31:36 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:49 SpacePoet, scheme offers a couple of forms that allow you to mutate stuff, set! mutates what a variable points to, set-vector! changes the contents of a vector, set-string! that of the characters in a string, set-car! and set-cdr! that of cons cells. 05:32:18 As you can see, you cannot in scheme, unlike in common lisp, change the value of some arbitrary thing with setf, you have to actually specifically know what it is 05:32:22 there is no set-number! 05:33:47 SpacePoet, what do you need it for/ 05:34:35 i want to prank my friend 05:34:42 Ahahahah 05:35:11 SpacePoet, try (define define (lambda (x y) (display "YOU ARE AN IDIOT, AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH"))) 05:35:26 of course you can't change the value of 400 05:35:28 4000 05:35:35 I beg to differ the of course 05:35:39 there are languages where you can 05:35:52 yes well this is #scheme 05:36:01 It is, but that still does not make it 'of course' 05:36:12 This is a language property of scheme, someone can be reasonable to ask. 05:36:24 SpacePoet: in Common Lisp, there's a way to have 4000 return 3000. But in scheme, there's no way defined by the standards. 05:36:41 oh 05:36:44 pjb, does (setf 4000 3000) work in CL? 05:36:44 :( 05:36:50 is there a round about way to do it? 05:36:58 SpacePoet, hmm 05:36:59 since scheme is supposed to be able to do anything 05:37:09 SpacePoet: in CL, you can do (setf *read-base* 4. *print-base* 4.) (defvar 4000 3000) 4000 -> 3000 05:37:20 SpacePoet, it can't solve the palestino-israeli conflict 05:37:26 sheepFRITZ: it can, if the read base is less than 4 :-) 05:37:46 There's also another way to do it with reader macros. 05:37:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:38:03 Yeah, but that won't actually change (+ 2000 2000) 05:38:17 (solve (conflict palestine israel)) 05:38:22  computing  05:38:44 sheepFRITZ: so what? to silly questions, silly answers. 05:39:00 pjb, now now, trolling your friends is a serious endeavour 05:39:31 The problem is that numbers are values. You cannot mutate them, it's a meaningless idea. 05:40:09 It's not at all a meaningless idea, jsut one scheme doesn't support. 05:40:37 A number is an object in smalltalk that understands messages, if you let 3000 basically copy all responses from 4000 you got yourself a 4000 no? 05:40:42 The CL trick with bases works because there's a distinction between numbers and representations. When you change the read base, 4000 doesn't represent a number anymore (in base 4). So it's interpreted as a symbol, and can be bound as a variable 05:41:22 sheepFRITZ: You would have to redefine all the methods of the classes of 4000 and possibly superclasses too. 05:41:34 smalltalk doesn't do object dispatching, only class dispatching. 05:42:08 Again, in CLOS, you could do (defmethod add ((self (eql 4000)) (other number)) (+ 3000 other)) 05:42:16 pjb, well, you just have to give the number class a method to set its own value one assumes 05:42:36 And then let it set its own value to another number 05:42:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:42:45 yes, for example. Again, a silly answer (yes, it's possible) to a silly question (nobody would want to do that). 05:42:59 Not sure what would happen then, I don't think most smtallktalk implementations actually code their number classes. 05:43:06 pjb, but trolling! 05:43:24 wingo [~wingo@132-117.192-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #scheme 05:43:24 I think this is the best reason SpacePoet could ever give for asking such a bizarre thing, trolling a friend. 05:43:55 Indeed, Smalltalk implementations kind of hardwire some primitive classes and some primitive messages, and 4000 + 1 is one of them. 05:46:05 Could still exist a conforming implementation that doesn't do that and basically expresses everything at the barest level in say lambda calculus I guess 05:46:10 And doesn't use machine numbers 05:47:13 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:49:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:50:54 why would scheme be the 'most powerful language' if it can't do this? 05:51:20 i am disappoint 05:51:34 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 05:53:24 SpacePoet: scheme can do it, at the metalinguistic level. 05:53:33 oh 05:53:34 so it can 05:53:59 CL can do it easier because it mixes the metalinguistic level more easily than scheme. Scheme keeps each story of the metalinguistic tower well separate. 05:54:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 05:54:21 Saying any language is the "most powerful" is problematic. 05:54:27 SpacePoet: yes, it can. You just write a scheme which let you redefine the numbers in scheme. 05:54:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-200.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:57:10 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:58:21 -!- SpacePoet [~papa@ppp-124-122-88-52.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58:55 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:02:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:02:41 asumu, for any non strict definition of 'more', it's very easy 06:02:59 C is more powerful than Scheme, incidentally scheme is also more powerful than C 06:04:25 -!- sheepFRITZ is now known as fritzFRITZ 06:05:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:09:49 Well, the problem indeed is that languages are actually interface between programs. A C compiler is less complex than a Scheme compiler, but the equivalent C user program will be more complex than the equivalent scheme user program. "equivalent"(C program, scheme program) <=> Complexity(C program)*Complexity(C compiler) = Complexity(scheme program)*Complexity(scheme compiler) 06:10:09 b4283 [~b4283@114-47-4-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 06:10:10 You can also multiply the complexity of the virtual machine or processor if they're different. 06:12:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:14:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:14:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.227] has joined #scheme 06:14:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.227] has quit [Changing host] 06:14:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 06:15:17 pjb, you mean languages are interfaces between the human and the assmbly code? 06:21:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:22:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:29:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:30:51 grom358 [~grom@ppp118-208-100-42.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 06:33:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:40:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:45:34 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:45:57 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 06:47:54 -!- grom358 [~grom@ppp118-208-100-42.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:48:27 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:50:33 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 06:50:33 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:50:33 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:52:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:56:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:57:29 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:03:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04:57 fritzFRITZ: No, a language is an interface between a program and a compiler, or between a compiler and a machine. 07:05:01 -!- b4283 [~b4283@114-47-4-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:05:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:07:35 stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has joined #scheme 07:12:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:13:16 pjb, you mean program as 'a theoretical mapping of input and output' 07:13:38 As in, two programs are identical if they map the same input tot the same output? 07:14:13 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE3085a9682da0-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 07:17:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:17:48 -!- fritzFRITZ is now known as ereetFR1TZ 07:17:58 -!- mwolfe [~user@99-32-248-91.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:24:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:32:21 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:32:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:35:26 snorble_ [~snorble@c193-14-18-68.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 07:37:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:40:43 ereetFR1TZ: yes. 07:41:56 Interface hmm 07:42:02 You can also see interfaces (API) as languages of course. Only their grammar is rarely formally specified in BNF. For example: pgm := 'open' { 'read' | 'write' | 'fcntl' | 'ioctl' } 'close' . 07:42:05 I would say a compiler is an interface between a langauge and a language. 07:42:31 And a machine is an interface between a language (machine code in this case) and a program 07:42:33 Yes, it's an orthogonal point of view. 07:43:23 pjb, anyway, I'm trying to convince the W3C XML working group lead to adopt me, he's not biting. 07:43:39 :-( 07:44:02 Do you know any convincing arguments to adopt a young adult to a Canadian. I might add that he's homosexual. 07:44:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:44:19 However his husband is transgendered so he might be able to conceive if he lays of the hormones for a while. 07:45:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:48:08 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:16 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #scheme 07:52:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:54:45 b4283 [~b4283@114-47-4-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 07:54:49 bjz_ [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 07:56:19 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:57:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:59:15 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #scheme 08:04:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:05:35 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #scheme 08:08:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:10:01 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 08:11:31 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:14:18 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 08:14:37 cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-174-107.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 08:14:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:17:19 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:20:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:26:02 sc1234 [~mail_for_@85.21.8.51] has joined #scheme 08:26:52 -!- sc1234 [~mail_for_@85.21.8.51] has left #scheme 08:27:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:31:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:38:09 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 08:38:09 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:38:09 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:38:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:38:52 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:43:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:47:01 amgarching [~matveev@2001:4ca0:2608:0:a1cc:b896:b35a:303] has joined #scheme 08:48:11 what is the syntax for (define func (lambda args ...)) with arbitrary long args? 08:48:48 As you 08:48:48 # New account 08:48:48 @bind 08:48:55 oops 08:49:00 As you wrote 08:49:06 (lambda args args) 08:49:13 Works as list function does 08:50:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:51:06 Also (lambda (arg1 arg2 . argrest) ...) 08:51:49 No, the define variant for named functions. 08:52:03 (define (func . args) body...) 08:52:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:52:57 ok, that works. Thanks! 08:53:13 also see `lambda-case' or something .. 08:53:43 `case-lambda' rather 08:54:39 by the way anyone ever thought of having a generic destructuring syntax like CL has ? 08:55:33 is it different from "match" and how? 08:55:50 what does `match' do ? i know of no such standard function 08:56:23 http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pattern-Matching.html 08:57:18 most schemes have that matcher 08:57:40 some have other matchers too, like racket's, but the wright matcher is very common 08:58:19 In theory given any Scheme has to have the macro pattern matcher anyway, it wouldn't be hard to repurpose the code into runtime for pattern matching a case lambda 08:58:46 the wright matcher has match-lambda. 08:59:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:00:16 i see. 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your sandbox is ready 13:11:30 ereetFR1TZ: ; Value: #t 13:13:02 rudybot, (compose) 13:13:03 MichaelRaskin: your sandbox is ready 13:13:03 MichaelRaskin: ; Value: # 13:13:23 rudybot, (compose values values) 13:13:23 MichaelRaskin: ; Value: # 13:13:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 13:18:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:20:46 crundar [~Jason@140-182-145-196.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 13:22:46 compose ? 13:22:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 13:22:55 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-200-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:44 masm [~masm@bl17-200-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 13:25:28 compose 13:25:56 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #scheme 13:26:03 Yes; what is it? 13:26:07 Ooh is it the function compose thing? 13:26:19 yes 13:26:41 Presumably (compose) yields the identity function? 13:26:42 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