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Well, that's the version I'm using. But is it the version used by your copy of Guile 2.0, I wonder. 03:26:09 cky: welcome! 03:27:55 :-) 03:30:44 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-zjvqtwotbrohtvad] has joined #scheme 03:33:00 Quadresce_ [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 03:33:05 -!- Quadresce_ [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has left #scheme 03:48:05 -!- blueadept2 [~blueadept@cpe-24-160-96-254.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49:36 -!- zbrown [~zbrown@rufius.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:49:36 zbrown [~zbrown@unaffiliated/zbrown] has joined #scheme 03:50:38 cky: I assume so, since it's the only libgc.a on the box 03:52:10 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:14 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 03:52:27 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:52:38 timj_ [~timj@e176198165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:54:30 offby1: Any libgc.so in /usr/lib that might be an older version? 03:56:23 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176197171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:08:10 -!- aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-165-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 04:10:17 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12:03 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 04:22:26 bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:37:41 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-66-252.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:09 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 04:38:48 erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has joined #scheme 04:44:40 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-148-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:46:48 aha 04:50:00 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:51:35 so i'm connected (by SHH) to my university's computer science linux box.. what kind of scheme compiler would you expect them to have? i am a total newbie 04:51:49 scheme brings up an interpreter, but i am looking to compile.. 04:51:54 'scheme' 04:52:15 bttf: does that interpreter say "MIT/GNU Scheme"? 04:52:16 You could try `scheme version' to find out what they're using 04:52:27 blueadept2 [~blueadept@cpe-24-160-96-254.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:52:32 yes foof, it does 04:53:04 then it _is_ a compiler 04:53:16 oh 04:53:24 im probably not understanding it right 04:53:35 -!- blueadept2 [~blueadept@cpe-24-160-96-254.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:54:16 bttf: it compiles on the fly to native code 04:57:04 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:59:44 Swarley [400c74d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.12.116.208] has joined #scheme 04:59:53 Hello. 05:00:17 EDWARDFTWlol [4cb3ff99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.179.255.153] has joined #scheme 05:00:23 Swarley: Hi. 05:00:47 Oops 05:00:53 I was recommended to this chat, but I'm kinda new to the IRC. What do you guys talk about? 05:00:57 I meant `scheme --version'. Silly me. 05:01:24 Swarley: We talk about Scheme in #scheme. What did *you* want to talk about? 05:01:48 Oh, sorry...I don't know what Scheme is. I'll just go then. Have a good night. 05:01:53 -!- Swarley [400c74d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.12.116.208] has left #scheme 05:01:56 Haha 05:02:34 -!- EDWARDFTWlol [4cb3ff99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.179.255.153] has left #scheme 05:05:04 saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 05:05:28 Gears [cc0ca497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.12.164.151] has joined #scheme 05:05:39 Howdy folks. what the hell is up? 05:06:16 or you can not answer. thats cool too. 05:06:37 Have any of you guys ever heard of the band Slade? 05:07:02 probably not, but you've probably heard one of their songs. Its called Cum on feel the noize. 05:07:24 -!- saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:07:49 People often think that its actually by quiet riot, but thats a common misconception. Slade wrote it, and just never put a patent on it, so quiet riot took it. 05:08:03 saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 05:08:47 So. what do you guys do> 05:10:10 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110208/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_popular_mayor_unpopular_name 05:10:11 http://tinyurl.com/5th6uzv 05:10:12 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:02 you know what, never mind, i'll see you guys later. 05:11:04 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:11:16 O_o 05:11:17 -!- Gears [cc0ca497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.12.164.151] has left #scheme 05:11:36 That's, like, two strangers who've turned up in the last 10 minutes who don't know what this channel is about. 05:11:52 That's seriously warped. 05:11:54 Indeed, an odd coincidence 05:12:17 Maybe someone has been posting Freenode web-interface links to this channel somewhere 05:12:35 That, or the web interface shows the most crowded channels or something. 05:13:20 And you think #scheme would be near the top? :-P 05:14:49 Huh, I dunno. Maybe not. :-P 05:15:09 rageous [~michael@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 05:20:22 Both came through a web interface 05:21:53 Most... `non-serious contributors' do 05:22:06 -!- pyro- [~pyro@CPE-124-181-139-86.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:22:20 *jcowan* is a non-serious contributor, or perhaps a serious non-contributor 05:22:49 :-) 05:25:26 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:33:09 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:35:16 -!- rageous [~michael@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 05:43:17 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44:33 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:44:43 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 05:45:08 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-101-206.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 05:47:29 scottmcl66 [~chatzilla@c-76-114-214-91.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:49:14 -!- saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:49:43 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 05:52:41 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:54:00 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 06:00:24 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:14:09 bitweiler [~bitweiler@adsl-99-40-232-158.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:21:12 -!- bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:23:26 user18 [~user@p5B2A9E2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 06:27:06 -!- user17 [~user@p5B2A9E8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:29:19 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:26 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:41:41 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:54 pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 06:46:21 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:46:30 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 06:46:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.83] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 06:58:01 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:25 pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 07:05:37 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:13 phao_ [phao@189.107.137.34] has joined #scheme 07:08:20 -!- phao_ [phao@189.107.137.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:28 -!- phao [phao@189.107.139.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:28:28 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:28:29 -!- rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:09 meter [~meter@190.127.117.48] has joined #scheme 07:29:22 hi 07:29:36 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:29:53 -!- k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:58 pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 07:30:00 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:30:57 -!- meter [~meter@190.127.117.48] has quit [Client Quit] 07:36:33 anybody on SO want to help close this non-question? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5011383/ 07:37:16 *reads* 07:37:22 z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #scheme 07:37:22 -!- z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has quit [Changing host] 07:37:22 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 07:44:29 -!- erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:44:44 Does SO have a policy against homework problems? 07:45:09 foof: No. 07:45:38 foof: People used to be encouraged to tag such questions as [homework], but apparently that's disrecommended these days. 07:53:24 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:56:07 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 07:56:22 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #scheme 07:58:16 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:58:21 if you got enough rep, you could just add the tag yourself, you know 07:58:58 i've submitted my proposal, but due to lack of rep, it's only visible after being accepted by the author. :P 08:02:06 user18: You will get the smack down from experienced users if you add [homework] tags. 08:02:24 user18: Like I said, apparently it's not a recommended thing to do. 08:02:25 apparently 08:03:11 fortunately i haven't had a reason to use the infamous [homework] tag myself, and let's just hope it stays that way :P 08:03:16 ;-) 08:03:26 I'm not a student, so I have no need to ask homework questions, ever. :-P 08:03:34 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:04:10 if i would have homework related question, i would probably at least *try* to solve it on my own 08:04:20 the asker of the linked question clearly didn't even try 08:04:43 Yeah, which was why I cast a close vote on it also. 08:05:22 I have plenty of rep on the site, but not enough time to police it. But if people link me to problematic posts, I can certainly do something about it! 08:06:38 adding tags is the last you can (and should) do, really 08:06:47 *least 08:09:38 http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags/ 08:10:45 That post explains why meta tags are not encouraged on SO, and why [homework] is a meta tag. 08:11:11 As long as that remains the official policy on SO, no experienced user will try to "fight the system". 08:13:49 okay 08:14:29 so apparently the question got deleted :P 08:14:40 Hehehehehe. 08:14:45 probably by the user, i suppose 08:15:10 Okay, so, [homework] is apparently permitted: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/60422/is-homework-an-exception/60495#60495 08:15:12 http://tinyurl.com/4urxts2 08:15:22 With this new knowledge, I'll be more willing to tag stuff as [homework]. 08:15:30 ah 08:17:59 user18: That question wasn't deleted by the user. 08:18:03 It was deleted by Jeff himself. 08:18:30 "deleted by Jeff Atwood 8 mins ago" 08:28:00 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#scheme 12:57:15 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 13:01:54 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:04:44 -!- xwl [~user@222.130.114.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:10 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 13:09:09 erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has joined #scheme 13:09:50 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:06 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:11:47 Traubert [~sam@crepidotus.fi] has joined #scheme 13:12:53 can anyone be bothered to tell me why () is an atom in some scheme implementations and in most you need to quote it? 13:13:33 sorry, not an atom 13:13:46 but a valid toplevel expression 13:13:47 The ones that allow bare () are probably doing it for compatibility with other Lisp dialects. 13:14:06 That, or they value programmer laziness. 13:14:13 okay 13:14:18 Similarly with implementations that allow bare vectors. 13:15:11 but it's "really" not valid? 13:15:32 according to R5Rs this is not valid syntax IIRC 13:15:46 okay, thanks 13:17:16 -!- erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:21:04 rageous [~michael@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 13:28:27 -!- slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:57 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 13:30:28 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.83] has joined #scheme 13:30:40 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.83] has quit [Client Quit] 13:39:57 rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 13:47:38 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-43511b93.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 13:56:12 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 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i just got back from Scheme test 14:57:49 it was easy, but i (as usual) ended up making silly mistakes 14:59:23 the last question had us implement a (when ... ) command to the metacircular evaluator by converting it to an if. i did it as required, but after 30 mins when i was frantically going over the test to see if i made any mistakes, for some reason i thought that i needed to implement WHILE, so i "corrected" it 14:59:51 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:56 i hate tests 15:01:50 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 15:01:56 wingo-pi: hi! I have a question for you: do you know whether your talk @ fosdem has been recorded? I would like to show it to some friends :-) 15:03:00 wingo-pi: congrats on guile 2.0! 15:03:47 *DerGuteMoritz* concurs 15:04:04 thanks! :) 15:04:09 -!- Caleb-- [~caleb@109.64.202.178] has quit [] 15:04:15 DerGuteMoritz: unfortunately i don't think it was recorded, no :/ 15:04:20 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-118.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:04:29 too bad :-( 15:04:29 that got forgotten in the bustle. oh well :) 15:04:45 ok then this unique event is preserved in our minds alone 15:04:51 and this one 15:04:51 make-pee 15:04:52 :-) 15:04:58 :) 15:05:08 (make ) actually, whoops 15:05:14 right-o 15:05:34 the code is at http://wingolog.org/git/peeple.git, but without much explanation 15:05:47 oh, nice 15:05:50 *DerGuteMoritz* clones 15:08:21 how stable is the elisp mode anyway? 15:08:27 or how mature? 15:08:39 it's not terribly mature 15:08:53 *wingo-pi* rummages for a status mail 15:09:09 ok, I think after 20 years we can wait some more :-) 15:09:11 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.guile.devel/11546 15:09:28 heh, indeed, though we shouldn't wait too long.. 15:09:52 I was wondering the other day how one uses macros from ecmascript if at all possible 15:10:19 not possible, at least not right now 15:11:50 alright 15:12:06 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-43511b93.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:14:47 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:18:03 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:22:19 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:04 aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-165-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:25:51 Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:28:34 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-99-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 15:29:48 -!- Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:30:35 Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:30:51 -!- Rearden [~John@rrcs-184-74-157-126.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:50 dfkjjkfd_ [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 15:32:51 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:06 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:35:44 Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-176-206-190.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 15:37:01 I'm having a hell of a time with an exercise wherein I must approximate sine with Scheme. 15:37:36 newtons method? 15:38:05 ah, I was thinking of sqrt. 15:38:10 Are newton's method and a taylor series the same? 15:38:17 Ah, that makes sense. 15:38:47 newton's method is good for finding roots of any function 15:39:01 so if you can express sin that way, it will work 15:39:56 It's a taylor series of doing x - (x^3)/3! + (X^5)/5! - (x^7)/7! ... (x^n)/n! 15:41:28 So, I'm counting the iterations with an argument I'm calling counter... 15:41:41 And running an if statement, (if (odd? counter) ... 15:42:05 Why use odd? for that? 15:42:34 I suppose I could use even, unless you're getting at something else? 15:42:54 I was getting at something else. But looking closer I see why you're doing that, so never mind. 15:43:25 (- x (/ (myexpt x (+ n 2)) (factorial (+ n 2)) (- counter 1))) 15:43:35 (+ x (/ (myexpt x (+ n 2)) (factorial (+ n 2)) (- counter 1))) 15:43:54 Those are the two consequences... 15:44:01 rageous, what can you use? 15:44:09 Very little, I'm afraid. 15:44:10 can you use streams? 15:44:12 ok 15:44:14 That's a fair amount of code duplication right there, that you could easily avoid. But presumably duplication is not your problem. 15:44:16 We're working with material out of chapter 1 of SICP 15:44:37 I'm having trouble of conceptualizing where my procedure is actually called for each iteration, if that makes sense. 15:45:04 Do you have examples / test cases to see how your function works for small inputs? 15:46:57 No, I don't. But I could create some real quick. 15:47:59 rageous, what are the parameters? 15:48:15 (approx-sin x) ? 15:48:25 or do you get the number of terms of the polynomial as well? 15:48:46 The assignment calls for two inputs, x and n 15:50:17 n>0 ? 15:50:37 We can assume that for now. 15:51:53 I've seen other Taylor series implemented for approximating sine, but I can't read them with my limited knowledge of scheme. They're using a lot more than I'm able to.. 15:51:56 http://programmingpraxis.com/2010/01/12/calculating-sines/ 15:53:41 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 15:58:55 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:59:18 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:10 the second one is maybe the most straightforward 16:01:35 sin(0.1) = 0.998..., sin(0.05) = 0.49979... so you can just use the recursive formula until you're "accurate enough" however accurate that may be 16:02:33 uhh 16:02:45 I just realized I should probably have inserted more 0s in that line 16:02:51 but I'm sure you can tell where they should be going 16:03:18 I'm going nowhere with what I'm working on now. 16:04:36 I'm stuck in an infinite loop. 16:05:44 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:50 rageous: did you paste your code somewhere? 16:06:03 Where's a convenient place to do that? 16:06:05 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 16:06:23 http://paste.lisp.org/ 16:06:53 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:14 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 16:08:00 http://paste.lisp.org/display/119808 16:10:41 qebab: Does that make sense at all? 16:10:52 rageous: give me a moment, someone's knocking on my door 16:11:30 qebab: That's quite alright. There are other problems I can work on in the meanwhile. 16:12:13 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-118.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:12:42 rageous: if your editor has automatic indentation for Scheme, run it on your program and you'll see your error. Or at least one error, in case there's more. 16:12:51 bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:02 rageous: actually, that step alone will show you several errors. 16:14:25 carleastlund: I'm not a wizard. I do not see them. 16:14:54 Add the indented version to your paste page so I can see what you're seeing, just to make sure we're looking at the same thing. 16:15:14 I believe the "Annotate this paste" button will let you do that. 16:15:32 -!- k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:55 Oh my Jesus. I think I'll have to kill DrScheme. It's awfully stuck this time. 16:16:25 That's not good. What version are you using? 16:17:40 Version 5.0.2 for Mac OS X 16:18:09 Hmm. What was it that got it stuck? Just reindenting? 16:18:32 No, I tried running the debugger, which I don't even know how to use, but I tried anyway. 16:18:48 Where is auto reindent under this? 16:18:58 It should just be select all, and hit tab. 16:19:04 rageous: cmd-i 16:19:15 That too. 16:19:20 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@62.101.148.140] has joined #scheme 16:19:40 Ah. I see. MY if statement is definitely closed prematurely. 16:19:54 There you go. :) 20:29:20 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 20:29:20 20:29:20 -!- names: ccl-logbot rageous chemuduguntar gravicappa Leonidas derrida masm HG` githogori alexgordon pjb pdelgallego wbooze homie tizoc simontwo ve Tasser rrm3 gozoner_ MrFahrenheit ijp DerGuteMoritz MichaelRaskin wav1 pumpkin chxane tronador_ bpalmer aisa lbc rasterbar eleasah phao corruptmemory pygospa ray pdlogan myu2 yorick rins tupi__ jonrafkind stamourv carleastlund fantazo user17 timj_ kilimanjaro rdd bohanlon bweaver langmartin jeng f8l MapMan martinhex 20:29:20 -!- names: peterhil` tupi lithpr emporas kanru zanes gabot eli ASau augiedoggie Intensity incubot Guest75024 Hal9k preflex Jafet lechon copec felipe borism aidalgol mario-goulart peddie elly rotty samth qebab ozzloy `micro ToxicFrog gnomon Zol cmatei ada2358_ certaint1 Adrinael yosafbridge kniu pr rapacity antoszka fds araujo cataska_ pchrist z0d nowhereman dsmith qsun chrissbx Gertm Adamant pl6 Nshag em askhader neilcj Kovensky offby1 danking _p4bl0 pippin 20:29:20 -!- names: stepnem incandenza twem2_ futilius Khisanth levi sloyd Nisstyre arbscht jao tmi clog_ leppie vk0 churib ineiros ecraven Axioplase_ rmrfchik jeff___ tonyg weinholt zilt amoe XTL Zahl C-Keen Pepe_ dfeuer timchen1a joast mmc nome rudybot yx bzzbzz pothos_ metasyntax jl_2 jeapostrophe sjamaan bremner cky snorble ski acarrico aoh elf Riastradh foof tessier d2biG pantsd_ cpach snarkyboojum oivindbi_ Euthydemus sstrickl jimrees__ mornfall eut zbigniew 20:29:20 -!- names: inimino eno 20:29:35 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:19 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #scheme 20:32:05 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #scheme 20:32:23 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:47 -!- danking [~danking@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:33:09 -!- kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33:09 -!- ada2358_ [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33:09 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33:19 ada2358 [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:33:24 -!- ijp [~Ian@host109-152-152-206.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:33:26 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 20:33:49 offby1` [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 20:33:52 danking [~danking@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:34:23 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:46 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:36:44 kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:38:07 ijp [~Ian@host109-154-213-5.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:50:49 aca20031 [~aca20031@vps1.benbuzbee.com] has joined #scheme 20:56:14 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:56 someone give me something to read. My programming language professor through this http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/courses/COP4020/Pr1.pdf at us with just a basic overview of scheme syntax, specifically I have no idea how to use mit-scheme or set up scheme source files, and googling tutorials sucks ass. 20:57:39 your package manager ought to have a mit-scheme package 20:57:41 Agari [~Agari@4.Red-95-121-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:57:51 if not, you can get it here: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/projects/scheme/ 20:57:58 i have it installed, just not sure what to do with it. I cant even find a help function inside of it 20:58:01 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 20:58:33 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@75-164-189-139.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme 20:58:34 namely, setting up and loading source files 20:58:39 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:58:41 pdlogan [~patrick@75-164-189-139.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 21:00:19 try (load "file.scm") 21:01:24 lol how do you navigate scheme edwin, specifically how do you quit... 21:01:45 iirc, (quit) should do 21:02:19 it seems to have opened a text editor 21:02:35 where in if i type escape, quit, it starts a debugger :( 21:03:54 I never used edwin, but try: C-x C-c to quit 21:04:01 ok, so dont run it with edwin 21:04:06 I think ill use VIM, then save, then run scheme :) 21:04:19 thanks, the (quit) and (load) is going to be invaluable. 21:04:40 sorry to waste your time, but documentation online is...horrible 21:05:47 jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 21:06:50 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 21:07:18 elly, hey 21:07:28 I thought of a relatively simple way to make a "curry" 21:07:32 like you mentioned 21:07:33 Quagga! 21:07:45 -!- githogori [~githogori@157.238.219.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:07:58 phao: do it! 21:08:05 Riastradh: ...where do you know that nonword from? 21:08:47 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-110.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:09:50 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:27 A quagga is an animal, not a non-word! 21:11:50 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:13 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 21:13:24 elly, look 21:13:26 I didn't test 21:13:34 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vphYnFkp 21:13:39 A quagga was an animal. Now a quagga is a distant memory stored in a single photograph from 1870 taken in the London zoo. 21:14:34 start is a 0-based position telling where the first argument in args go. 21:14:51 them it returns a function that puts the rest of the arguments in place 21:15:24 if start=1 then the first argument of args is the second one 21:15:31 and if x=(1 2 3) 21:15:56 phao: what if I want to curry only args 2 and 4? 21:16:02 then you have (apply proc (append '(1) args '(2 3))) 21:16:10 you could call this function twice 21:16:11 =) 21:16:12 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:23 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 21:16:32 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 21:16:32 I couldn't come up with nice syntax for that kind of stuff 21:17:08 elly - more complicated would be to use a macro and underscores to indicate where to splice in arguments. 21:17:15 pdlogan: like CUT :) 21:17:20 well, yeah 21:18:47 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[~user@nat/nokia/x-dackgfqwdtujzjhc] has joined #scheme 02:07:23 -!- N2N is now known as new2net 02:07:56 excellent, im in the right place 02:08:08 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:11 I was hoping someone could explain 4 lines of code for me 02:08:40 That works only if you show what the four lines of code are, using, say, . 02:09:47 yeah... dunno why its not working 02:11:37 DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has joined #scheme 02:12:49 rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 02:14:21 http://paste.lisp.org/display/119979 02:14:42 -!- rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:15:07 its 5 lines, i hope we wont have trust issues 02:15:48 what does line 4 do? 02:16:16 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:39 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 02:17:44 The fourth line, just `list2'? That yields the value of the variable named LIST2. 02:18:16 new2net: The appended list shares tail with list2. 02:18:27 new2net: It doesn't copy the elements in list2. 02:18:29 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:18:35 s/elements/cons cells/ 02:19:30 if list1 is null it will return list2 right? it wont put null at the front of list2 02:19:42 Correct. 02:20:49 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:58 oh 02:24:10 i see... thats why my program kept crashing lol 02:30:58 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-72-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:33 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 02:34:02 is Chez Scheme the same as Scheme? 02:34:37 It's an implementation of Scheme 02:34:39 ysph [~user@adsl-89-25-111.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 02:35:14 where can I download the real thing? 02:35:25 What real thing? 02:35:45 umm the official release, or version 1 02:36:02 The official release of what? 02:36:32 There are numerous Scheme implementations, none of which is official 02:37:20 There is, obviously, one which is older than all others, but since I think that hasn't been worked on much since the late '70s, I doubt that's what you want. :-) 02:37:52 can I type > (cons '(1 2) '(3 4)) and get ((1 2) 3 4)? 02:38:03 into that version 02:38:54 That'll work in any Scheme, and many other Lisps 02:40:01 I'm not used to making this choice... I'll take the 70s version I suppose 02:40:46 Samuel_ [~Samuel@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 02:41:05 If you're looking for implementation recommendations I'd probably say Chicken or Racket 02:41:28 There are many other good implementations though, MIT Scheme, Guile, Gambit, &c 02:41:42 But the first two I mentioned are the most popular in here 02:42:24 Thanks :) 02:45:08 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:45:38 Oh there is one called Kawa 02:45:44 masm [~masm@bl19-129-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 02:46:13 There is 02:46:20 it makes JVM bytecode. That's neat. 02:46:36 There are a few JVM-based ones, but I don't know anything about them 02:50:04 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:47 there are no curcly braces in Racket? 02:50:51 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:14 -!- offby1` [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:48 I should hope not! 02:52:05 ah... brackets? 02:52:41 can i just take those 2 keys out completely? 02:54:24 wtfness [~dsc@89.211.209.182] has joined #scheme 02:54:47 If `brackets' means `[]' to you, then you can use them if you want and they're treated identically to `()', but that isn't true for all implementations and I wouldn't recommend it 02:55:07 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.100.182.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:57:01 -!- Samuel_ [~Samuel@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:57:35 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:58:12 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:37 I have replaced { } [ ] and caps lock with sound clips of Billy Mays. I call it Mays Scheme. 03:00:50 this does not seem like a good idea 03:02:01 I've just remapped [ to ( and ] to ) 03:02:12 (And vice versa) 03:02:38 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-151-220.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:10:04 I've remapped [ to ( and ] to ), and _not_ vice versa :) 03:10:49 *jcowan* is not a fan of keyboard remapping; it interferes with my 30-year-old reflexes. 03:11:23 It was hard enough to transition from a bit-paired keyboard to a typewriter-paired one, and now that I've done it, I ain't changing it. 03:12:23 There are no other benefits of Mays Scheme, so you will probably not like it. 03:12:25 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@static-67-62-120-42.t1.cavtel.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:12:54 jcowan: I have ctrl:nocaps enabled. 03:13:21 jcowan: Re "ain't changing", I've used Dvorak for nearly 8 years, and I ain't changing. :-D 03:13:32 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 03:13:38 By all means and to each their own. 03:13:43 Indeed. *nods* 03:14:13 But if I randomly changed [] to () or the like, I'd just confuse the hell out of myself, whatever the advantages in Scheme. 03:14:23 *nods* 03:14:36 Yeah, I haven't remapped [] to () either. 03:14:42 And I don't really have any plans to either. 03:14:59 The sound clips will condition you faster than traditional typing + backspace. 03:15:13 There's also Programmer Dvorak, which puts all the punctuations in non-shifted positions, requiring shift for digits. 03:15:30 I think PD is too big of a change for me, though it's well-intentioned. 03:15:44 bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:10 i am a beginner, and i'm having trouble interpreting the errors i am getting when i try to load a file i have with some code in it... 03:16:10 ;ERROR: "hello.scm": Wrong type to apply: 6 03:16:11 ; in expression: (6) 03:16:19 bttf: You can't have (6). 03:16:21 is that referring to the line number? 03:16:22 That's not valid. 03:16:23 No. 03:16:31 It's referring to the fact that you have (6) somewhere in your code. 03:16:44 (Or anything that results in (6), such as ((+ 4 2)).) 03:16:47 oh 03:16:52 yes i do.. 03:16:56 That's not valid. 03:17:03 Parentheses are never optional in Scheme. 03:17:06 What I never understood about Dvorak users, is if you're bothering to use a non-standard layout, why choose an arbitrary historic layout with neither a consistent design nor valid evidence suggesting it is in any way superior? 03:17:07 That's like saying 6() in other languages. 03:17:26 foof: It's consistent if you understand it. 03:17:35 foof: For example, all the vowels are in the left-hand home row. 03:17:39 http://codepad.org/v5Yknujy 03:17:55 ohh right! i forgot about the correct syntax for passing arguements 03:17:56 bttf: You have to say (fact 6), not fact(6). 03:18:03 you can't have the number 6 in scheme? 03:18:09 right ok , excuse my newbness 03:18:12 It would be trivial to automatically generate an optimal layout according to any number of realistic heuristics. 03:18:15 new2net: You can, but it can't be in the first slot. 03:18:15 Sure, but you can't call it as a procedure. 03:18:31 foof: Of course. But Dvorak has the benefit of being an ANSI standard. 03:18:51 foof: Which makes it more likely to be more universally available (while not having the ergonomic problems with qwerty). 03:20:17 I've never seen any software that supports Dvorak but doesn't allow other custom layouts. 03:20:33 Nononono, I'm not talking about "allowing other custom layouts". 03:20:53 But I _am_, that's my whole point. 03:21:10 If you had your own custom layout, you have to tote it around on a USB stick. 03:21:13 It's possible to construct custom keyboards in Windows, but it's not trivial: they are DLLs. 03:21:25 Whereas Dvorak comes preinstalled with most OSs. 03:21:34 because there are so many implementations, how can I protect myself from not having compatible code with other Scheme developers? 03:21:43 new2net: You have two choices: 03:21:47 1. Don't worry about it. 03:21:52 2. Stick to standard Scheme. 03:21:55 1 is probably easier. 03:22:06 If I'm not going to use qwerty, I want an optimal layout chosen for sound scientific reasons, not something some guy named Dvorak pushed because he had a patent on it. 03:22:06 Most implementations of Scheme are themselves highly portable. 03:22:38 foof: TBH, ANSI Dvorak is not the same as the layout Dvorak initially designed. 03:22:55 foof: ANSI Dvorak is tweaked so that it can be created just by rearranging keys on a US qwerty keyboard. 03:23:24 ah, I'll choose 1. How do I create an empty list (immutable)? 03:23:29 new2net: '() 03:23:53 foof: Of course, if you're not convinced that Dvorak is any better than qwerty, then you may as well stick with qwerty. It is, after all, more common. 03:24:09 foof: I personally can't stand qwerty, which is why I can't stand Colemak either. 03:24:43 (I mentioned Colemak because invaribly, someone will bring that layout up.) 03:26:08 thank you for your help cky, fds, and anyone else I have missed 03:26:14 new2net: Cool. :-) 03:27:05 I recently got a Nexus S. I will be finding ways to make it support Dvorak, too. :-D 03:27:17 Using some code-fu, if necessary. :-) 03:30:35 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-129-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:33:09 Well, no disinterested third party ever tested Dvorak on a large scale, but it's not as if D pulled the layout out of his ass, the way Sholes did. 03:33:45 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-dackgfqwdtujzjhc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:01 jcowan: Exactly. 03:35:11 jcowan: But it's true that all testing was done by biased parties. 03:35:30 Both the pro- and anti- crowd. 03:43:34 -!- paulh_ [~paulh@224-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:44:25 TYPEWRITER on the top line and all that. 03:44:35 Hehehehehe. 03:45:11 You can write lots of useful words on just the home row on a Dvorak keyboard. 03:45:39 Not surprisingly, given that it's ETAOIN SHRDLU (or near enough) 03:45:57 R and L are in the top row, but all the other letters do fall on the home row. 03:46:09 -!- new2net is now known as N2N 03:46:46 Also, it adapts well to words with alternating vowels and consonants. 03:51:03 Yep, that's indeed one of its key strengths. 03:51:27 Granted, it's totally geared towards US English, so if you want to type quickly in other languages, you have to modify the layout somewhat. 03:51:38 Like, Svorak is a variant for Swedish, IIRC. 03:52:41 timj__ [~timj@e176195058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:52:47 vilsonvieira [~vilson@201.47.79.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #scheme 03:56:14 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176198056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:04:27 -!- aca20031 [~aca20031@vps1.benbuzbee.com] has quit [] 04:06:40 Neo is even bettern tha dvorak, and there are programs to compute a keyboard from a corpus. For a scheme programmer, the parentheses should be on the home row. 04:07:14 If you have sufficient flexibility to keep changing, then yes. 04:08:02 So you first type in the text you want to type in, give it to the program to compute the optimal keyboard, change the keyboard, erase the text, and type it in again, optimally! 04:08:23 With any luck, the second time you will have to press only a single key. 04:09:29 pjb: That sounds like Huffman trees. 04:09:37 That reminds me of an incident on xml-dev where one of the users was constantly pushing the virtues of ASN.1 PER as a compression scheme for XML. 04:10:07 He gave an example of how the very email he was writing could be encoded. 04:10:25 Personnaly, I like xml.gz files. I just have difficulties with a couple of bit patterns... 04:10:32 I replied that the best encoding would be to encode the author as 0x01, and leave the rest of the message to be reconstructed by the recipients. 04:20:52 "Andromaque se parfume à la lavande" 04:21:25 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 04:21:49 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:26 -!- wtfness [~dsc@89.211.209.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:22 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 04:26:00 _danb_ [~user@203.38.189.126] has joined #scheme 04:26:48 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:28 -!- vilsonvieira [~vilson@201.47.79.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 04:34:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:23 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:29 Mmmm, ASN.1 04:34:38 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37:58 I wrote a MIB once, and now my name is forever associated with oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.11100 04:39:39 I have an OID too, but I forget what it is. 04:40:27 The OID doesn't refer directly to me, but I'm the listed technical contact for that enterprise number. The enterprise and the email are now defunct, though, so it's just a relic. 04:49:24 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:52:52 -!- _danb_ [~user@203.38.189.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:10 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:14:30 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:21:31 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:21:56 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:22:20 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-mgozngyslfgbuuke] has joined #scheme 05:22:22 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:31:05 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:32:43 -!- DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34:23 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 05:41:21 yapsol [yapsol@177.27.49.163] has joined #scheme 05:43:44 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:51:54 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:58:00 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:01:20 -!- N2N is now known as new2net 06:04:30 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:42 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:06:07 how can I tell if someone has registered a nickname or not? 06:06:38 new2net: /msg NickServ info $NICK 06:08:08 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 06:09:28 thanks, someone was logged in with my original nickname. I said he could have it and he told me I should have registered it... if he didn't register it by now I was going to take it :D 06:10:02 new2net: yes, you should have registered it already! 06:10:29 nah he helped me pick out this nickname. I originally wanted N2N 06:11:01 new2net looks like a temporary nick. Soon enough you'll be old2net. 06:11:12 I registered it :P 06:11:26 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 06:11:55 lern2internet. :-P 06:11:59 so if someone is already logged in as me, I can kick them off (right?) 06:12:05 new2net: Yes. 06:12:10 Or rather, you can rename them. 06:12:16 anything I want? 06:12:19 If you do /msg NickServ release new2net 06:12:29 it will rename them to GuestXXXXXX (where XXXXXX is a random number). 06:12:49 aww :( if they're using my name I should be able to rename them anything 06:13:31 Hahahahahaha. 06:16:19 user18 [~user@p5B2A9CE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 06:19:41 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 06:19:52 -!- user17 [~user@p5B2A9FF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20:54 -!- new2net is now known as N2N 06:21:07 howcome I can use his nickname still? 06:21:48 -!- N2N is now known as new2net 06:22:40 HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-137-45.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 06:22:52 new2net: Usually, people can use your nickname until you claim it (using /msg NickServ release). 06:24:47 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 06:27:00 I tried /msg NickServ help commands but I can't tell how to log in... Shouldn't I be asked to present my password when I use my nickname (I regsitered it). 06:27:49 new2net: You use /msg NickServ identify 06:28:28 how do I know you're the real cky? 06:29:04 also, that worked ^_^ thanks for answering these silly questions 06:29:19 You can do /msg NickServ info $NICKNAME. If it says "now" as the "last login" time, they're currently on. 06:29:56 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f7682ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:30:05 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfc815.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 06:30:25 you use a virtual host? 06:30:56 Yes. 06:31:43 how can I make mine "mileycyrus.com" lol 06:32:27 You can't. 06:32:32 Unless you own that domain name. 06:32:43 Notice that host cloaks on freenode don't look like real hostnames. 06:33:32 yeah... they're not really any kind of address 06:34:25 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 06:34:47 So yeah. If you want real hostnames, you have to own them. :-) 06:35:43 can I use a not real hostname? 06:36:23 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 06:37:41 Well, if you don't mind being "unaffiliated/new2net", simply ask for that on #freenode. 06:38:13 If you want an affiliation (e.g., wikipedia/new2net), then you have to contact the group in question. 06:38:24 Wikipedia has specific requirements for using a wikipedia/* hostcloak. 06:38:37 ah, well I'm banned from editing pages 06:38:43 sshorm [~horm@ip-134-53-123-129.dhcp.muohio.edu] has joined #scheme 06:38:53 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:04 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 06:39:08 new2net: Heh. I guess you won't get wikipedia/* then. What happened, anyway? 06:39:19 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:28 I said that C++ was made using PHP 06:39:57 ...why did you say that? 06:40:24 How silly! 06:40:26 obviously it isn't, just wanted to see what would happen. 06:40:35 Doh! 06:41:06 new2net: I guess you found out the hard way, then. :-P 06:41:16 wat 06:41:26 stamourv` [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 06:41:26 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:38 stop that sshrom >: 06:41:45 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@99-113-184-115.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:41:53 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:42:58 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:42:58 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:43:13 -!- stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:43:51 should I get 7th sphere? 06:44:06 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 06:44:10 new2net: Nah, that just marks you as an mIRC user. 06:44:23 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:34 ah, you can tell which client I use? 06:44:55 Well, it's not that; it's that 7th Sphere is an mIRC script. :-P 06:45:18 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47:08 sshrom, DCC request :( firewall 06:48:01 wat 06:48:25 -!- stamourv` [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:49:11 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 06:49:11 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 06:49:35 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-89-25-111.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:55 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:53:03 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:17 -!- adu 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Obfuscate Caleb-- pothos z0d preflex kniu danking tessier ada2358 Leonidas derrida alexgordon tizoc simontwo ve Tasser DerGuteMoritz ray elf aoh ski cky bremner sjamaan jeapostrophe jl_2 metasyntax bzzbzz yx rudybot nome joast timchen1a foof Euthydemus inimino C-Keen Zahl XTL zilt weinholt tonyg jeff___ rmrfchik Axioplase_ ecraven clog_ tmi arbscht sloyd twem2_ incandenza _p4bl0 Kovensky neilcj askhader 20:21:43 -!- names: em pl6 Gertm chrissbx qsun dsmith nowhereman fds antoszka rapacity pr yosafbridge Adrinael certaint1 cmatei Zol ToxicFrog `micro ozzloy qebab rotty elly peddie dRbiG pantsd_ cpach snarkyboojum oivindbi jimrees__ mornfall eut aidalgol borism felipe copec lechon klutometis incubot ASau kanru martinhex rdd 20:23:02 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:23:11 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95334cf.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:26 Ok, im not sure if this is acceptible formatting but its at least edwin indented: http://codepad.org/sRmg2BAv And this on the file at the bottom gives me "object () is not applicable", im just trying to test that it parses it and returns something like ((a expressiona) (b expressionb)) 20:27:37 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:55 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:28:12 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-225-46.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:28:18 Well, the indentation is correct given the text. But remember that you can't just insert parentheses willy-nilly. 20:28:35 When you wrote `(define ...)', why did you put a parenthesis pair there? 20:28:37 Right, I examined them 20:28:39 uhh 20:29:15 I thought it had to be (define name (definition)) 20:29:21 are you suggesting it should jsut be define name (def) 20:29:22 Well, one answer is `to write a definition', or `to use the DEFINE operator'. 20:29:39 http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/courses/COP4020/Pr1.pdf Page 6, is an example im going off of 20:29:45 he does (define statement (lambda .. )) 20:30:08 Now, let's suppose that the syntax for the operation to define a name to have the value of some expression were (DEFINE ()), as you suggest. 20:30:19 mhm 20:30:19 In that case, this should define FOO to have the value 6: 20:30:23 rudybot: eval (define foo (6)) 20:30:23 Riastradh: your sandbox is ready 20:30:24 Riastradh: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: 6 (no arguments) 20:30:51 Well, that doesn't work. 20:31:11 But this does: 20:31:14 rudybot: eval (define foo 6) 20:31:14 Riastradh: Done. 20:31:20 rudybot: eval foo 20:31:20 Riastradh: ; Value: 6 20:31:43 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:32:08 In fact, the general form of a definition is not (DEFINE ()), but (DEFINE ). There may be parentheses in in order to form some particular expressions, but that's not the case for all expressions, such as 6. 20:32:12 fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-190-239-199.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 20:32:39 When I wrote (6), Scheme tried to use 6 as if it were a procedure such as EQ?, READ, or CONS, but 6 is not a procedure: it's a number. 20:32:59 wel in this case lambda is a procedure, right? 20:33:04 or no 20:33:07 mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 20:33:20 The form (LAMBDA ( ...) ) is an expression for a procedure, to be a little more precise. 20:33:42 It's a procedure that, when applied to some arguments, evaluates , with each as a name for the corresponding argument. 20:34:04 aca20031, the confusing thing about define is it allows for syntactic sugar so there isn't just one way to use it. like (define (foo) blah) is the same as (define foo (lambda () blah)) 20:34:17 so, maybe im way off base, but are you suggesting my current form tries to execute the lambda function? 20:34:23 Here, again, the general form is (LAMBDA ( ...) ), not (LAMBDA ( ...) ()). 20:34:39 No, there's nothing wrong with (define declarations (lambda (token) ...)). 20:35:02 Riastradh, you just wrote the same thing twice.. 20:35:11 Nor, for that matter, is there anything intrinsically wrong with (define declarations (lambda (token) ((cond ...)))), but it doesn't do what you intended in this case. 20:35:15 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-167-125.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:16 jonrafkind, where? 20:35:20 oh nevermind, it was misisng a parens 20:35:41 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:35:56 right, im still not sure I follow what its actually doing thats different unfortunately. My initial understanding was that the parenthesis were there to delimit a third paremeter to define 20:36:06 that third parameter being the entire lambda 'function' 20:36:53 aca20031, the expression (COND ( ) ( ) ...) is an expression that Scheme evaluates by evaluating , and if it returns true, evaluating and yielding the value of that; or if it returns false, then Scheme evaluates , and if that returns true, Scheme evaluates and yields the value of that; and so on. 20:37:29 ok 20:37:36 I understand that 20:37:42 (The last clause in the COND will be an ELSE clause, where ELSE indicates not a question but that this clause should be taken if none of the previous ones was.) 20:37:55 ok 20:38:24 So, what your procedure, obtained by evaluating (lambda (token) ((cond ...))), will do, is to take the value of this COND -- this question and response session -- and then apply it to zero arguments as if it were a procedure! 20:38:54 What I suspect you wanted to do is to take what you got from the matching COND clause, and just return that, rather than applying it to zero arguments. 20:39:58 oh I see, I follow, I thought you were referring to a different set of parenthesis 20:40:38 of course now im jus getting ((b bexpress)) and not a, but its a start! 20:41:41 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:43:18 So, remember that whenever you write a parenthesis pair, you must have a reason for doing so. This isn't like C, where it never hurts to put in extra parenthesis pairs but it's not clear when you need them either. 20:43:45 right, the parenthesis here basically dictate how many times to evaluate whats inside 20:45:05 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:52:15 just to clarify, if I call (declarations (read)) in the scheme buffer after i set the import port to my file, will it print the list of results to the screen? 20:52:27 or do I need to do something to make it display as a string or some such 20:54:22 this is assuming declarations correctly evaluates to ((a aexpress) (b bexpress)) 21:00:08 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 21:01:14 Agari [~Agari@107.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:57 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:09 femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-74-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 21:07:15 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-74-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:12 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 21:15:51 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:18:18 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:39:04 tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.51.22] has joined #scheme 21:39:31 hi, is racket scheme? if not what are the differences? 21:43:34 tcleval: racket supports r5rs and r6rs. If that doesn't mean anything to you, perhaps you could tell us more context for your question. 21:43:46 -!- Blkt [~user@net-93-151-225-46.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:28 bremner: what I mean is, can I learn and code scheme on racket? or is it a differente best? 21:46:21 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-225-46.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 21:46:30 tcleval: sure, you can learn scheme in racket. You might have to be a bit careful about how much you rely on the racket standard library. But if you put #lang R5RS at the top of the file, you can be as minimalist as you like. 21:47:57 bremner: in some sort.. is scheme to racket as C is for C++/object-C ? 21:49:17 umm. it's a bit more complicated than that. Racket supports setting the current "language", and several of those settings match common ideas about what "scheme" is. 21:50:04 bremner: can all languages that racket support interoperate? 21:50:17 tcleval: afaik, yes. 21:55:00 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-4dbedebb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:55:25 -!- Blkt [~user@net-93-151-225-46.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:20 pytho [8cb69def@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.182.157.239] has joined #scheme 21:57:06 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfcc88.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 22:00:29 not to sound crazy, but is there an (unread) or more specifically for when dealing with files, move the pointer back so that the next (read) is the same as the last (read) 22:00:46 (ungetc) 22:01:08 i guess not really 22:01:11 is that only for a character? 22:01:13 jonrafkind: 1. That's not portable. 2. That only pushes back one character. 22:01:15 :-P 22:01:20 lol 22:01:26 its scheme. who cares about portability 22:01:29 well I can make it work without it, just curious as it would save me a bit of a hassel 22:02:01 aca20031: You have two options. If your implementation supports mark/restore (which requires their streams to support buffering a potentially large amount of data), you can mark, then read, then restore. 22:02:08 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:50 What Schemes do that in ports? None that I know. 22:03:03 Riastradh: *nods* 22:03:05 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.51.22] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:06 yeah nevermind, I can do it without too much trouble without it :) 22:03:09 Riastradh: I was thinking of that because that's the Java way to do it. 22:07:26 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-74-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:38 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:06 biely [~eleasah@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has joined #scheme 22:12:38 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:12:39 -!- pavelludiq_ [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:26 -!- biely [~eleasah@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has left #scheme 22:18:13 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 22:29:59 paulh_ [~paulh@114-9-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 22:30:01 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #scheme 22:33:11 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 22:33:23 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:41:00 HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 22:41:14 bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:42:23 if I do (cons (op1) (op2)) is there a way to get it to call op1 before op2 22:43:03 (let ((x (op1))) (cons x (op2))), or (let* ((x (op1)) (y (op2))) (cons x y)) 22:46:40 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 22:46:51 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:47:32 ah, great thanks 22:47:37 making progress now :) 22:52:24 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@64.134.66.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:55:55 -!- Harrold [~quassel@dhcp-101-110.hpsc-staff.carleton.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:19 common_tragedian [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has joined #scheme 23:05:18 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 23:11:33 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:45 HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 23:12:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:15:01 -!- common_tragedian [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:45 aca20031: you could also write a macro (left-to-right (cons (op1 (op11) (op12)) (op2 (op21) (op22)))) that will evaluate all the subexpressions from left to right like in Common Lisp. 23:28:55 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:54 Is `vector-length' cheap compared to `length'? (I'd guess it should be, as vectors are statically lengthed, right?) 23:34:30 (And lists aren't.) 23:34:30 It should be, but AFAIK, the standard doesn't impose any kind of implementation for vectors. 23:34:38 Hm, true 23:35:02 A compiler could provide length of literal strings as literals... 23:35:20 HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 23:36:34 common_tragedian [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has joined #scheme 23:39:31 will [~will@212.74.83-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 23:41:22 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:48:54 fds, `vector-length' should be a lot cheaper than `length'. 23:49:41 In an implementation optimized for speed that would be expected. But an implementation optimized for implementation size could use lists to implement vectors. 23:49:44 But I know of at least one implementation that caches length for lists or has an option for immutable lists. 23:51:25 *fds* nods 23:51:40 That's pretty much what I thought, I was just checking because I think very silly things sometimes. 23:51:52 Agari: Which implementation, out of curiosity 23:52:01 ? 23:55:55 I cheated a bit, mine :-) 23:56:21 Haha, well, at least it's one you know well. :-) 23:56:51 It's interesting to see the differences in primitives between implementations performance-wise. 23:59:57 I'm just starting to look into that kind of stuff now. I think I need to learn more C first though. :-P 00:03:50 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:04:28 SISC for example uses a dual representation for strings because Java's String is not mutable, so it internally converts from String to char[] when using `string-set!' and uses the char[] representation from that point. 00:06:39 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 00:10:48 -!- Couick [~quassel@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-47-56.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:54 -!- pytho [8cb69def@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.182.157.239] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:21:49 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:25:03 -!- f8l [~f8l@77-254-79-250.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 00:30:05 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:34:48 plertrood [~stephenwa@host86-184-198-33.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 00:36:07 _danb_ [~user@124-168-189-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 00:37:24 -!- bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42:57 hi 00:43:12 does anybody know how to implement a depth-first search for nested lists? 00:43:26 (I'm not sure if that's the right way to put it...) 00:44:25 -!- plertrood [~stephenwa@host86-184-198-33.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: plertrood] 00:48:52 common_tragedian: Yes, of course you can do a depth-first search on nested lists. 00:49:26 well, I know that it's possible, obviously... 00:50:15 what I've been doing, though, is taking the car of the list and checking whether it's a list, and if it is, applying the whole function back onto it until I reach the non-list members... 00:50:36 but the problem with that is that I have no way to return to go back to the cdr 00:50:56 (at least while retaining information from the contents of the car) 00:58:33 common_tragedian: Why not? Just send the "information from the contents of the car" as a return value. 01:01:56 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.101.228.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:30 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:11:40 -!- common_tragedian [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:54 1 ]=> (eval (convert "t") (the-environment)) 01:12:54 ;The object (let* ((a 100) (b 5)) (> a b)) is not applicable. 01:12:58 Sorry, why is that not applicable? 01:13:26 -!- MapMan [mapman@host-62-141-192-113.swidnica.mm.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:13:58 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:54 nothing with let* seems to run 01:18:29 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 01:18:52 MapMan [mapman@host-62-141-192-113.swidnica.mm.pl] has joined #scheme 01:19:17 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:22:02 the let* is fine. No idea about the surrounding stuff. 01:25:28 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 01:28:01 aca20031: Is your let* form quoted or something? 01:30:33 aca20031, a list, such as `(let* ((a 100) (b 5)) (> a b))', is not a procedure: you can't apply it as if it were one. 01:33:45 aca20031, forget evaluating it for a moment; just try (convert "t"). 01:36:35 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:13 bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:41:49 yields_a_falseho [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has joined #scheme 01:44:14 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:38 -!- yields_a_falseho [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has left #scheme 01:45:52 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:08 ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 01:56:36 can someone help me understand some of these interpreter messages? my code is working fine its just that i'd like to understand everything thats being output... 01:56:38 http://codepad.org/f7Aho26g 01:56:51 in that i have the code and its compilation at the bottom 01:57:15 What message you don't understand? 01:57:33 after i use the file2list function, it says ;Value 11: (jesus christ pooped on the ground) 01:57:37 what is the significance of Value 11? 01:58:16 THis might be a reference to the REPL history. 01:58:19 bttf: that's probably just the 11th value returned by the REPL 01:58:42 bttf: run it again and see if you don't get Value 12 :) 01:58:59 oh yeah, your right 01:59:06 so what is that final statement being printed out? 01:59:09 bttf, it's not quite the eleventh value returned by the REPL. It's a number that you can use to refer back to the value. 01:59:38 for debugging purposes i suppose 01:59:39 You can refer back to the Nth value by evaluating (unhash N), or, with some kludginess, by writing `#@N' (without the quotes). 01:59:58 i see 02:00:20 another question about that message 02:00:23 ;Value 11: (jesus christ pooped on the ground) 02:00:41 i did not put any display statements in the code, but the parsed input is being shown, why is that? 02:00:59 By the way, we don't have any historical record that that's true. 02:01:18 The REPL reads your expression, evaluates it, and prints the result. 02:01:18 And then it loops. 02:01:20 that what is true? 02:01:21 Because that's a REPL. 02:01:23 Hence Read-Eval-Print-Loop, REPL. 02:01:40 oh right ok 02:02:09 but then.. wouldn't it have shown each word step by step? 02:02:19 since its reading one word at a time? 02:02:23 It prints only the result. 02:02:48 ok 02:02:51 No, the REPL reads your code; your code might call READ, too, to read your professor's code, but the REPL doesn't know or care about that. 02:02:51 If you want additionnal output, like one per iteration in your program you must add calls to display. 02:03:19 so the looping inside my code is part of the EVAL stage of REPL 02:03:33 and it prints the result 02:03:42 is that one way to look at it 02:04:20 or rather the recursion 02:04:22 in my code 02:04:27 -!- Agari [~Agari@107.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:38 What don't you understand in read-eval-print-loop? 02:04:53 Yes, in the EVAL stage. 02:05:02 Everything your code does is done in the EVAL stage. 02:05:08 i think i understand it fine 02:05:19 (define (repl) (display (eval (read))) (newline) (repl)) 02:05:35 You may add a prompt to make it prettier: 02:05:51 (define (repl) (newline) (display "> ") (display (eval (read))) (repl)) 02:06:42 And some environment to make it work: (define (repl) (newline) (display "> ") (display (eval (read) (rnrs-environment 5)) (repl)) 02:07:52 Now of course, you may want to add counters and history and print the results as "; Value ~a: ~a", etc, but those are trivialities. 02:08:01 of course 02:08:08 ; ] 02:12:37 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 02:12:50 i'm trying to use string-append, but its giving me an error saying the argument is not a string.. 02:12:58 (string-append token "testing") 02:13:05 token being (read) 02:13:49 Probably what you have is a symbol. Strings are written with quotation marks; symbols are not. READ will read either, and it has probably read and handed you a symbol instead of a string. 02:14:22 i see 02:14:26 is there any sort of 'casting'? 02:14:55 You can get a symbol's name with the STRING->SYMBOL procedure. 02:15:12 (The arrow, or hyphen and greater than, is not special syntax or anything; it is just part of the name.) 02:15:27 err. SYMBOL->STRING ? maybe? 02:15:39 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 02:15:50 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:15:50 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #scheme 02:15:50 Yes, sorry. 02:16:00 oh ok 02:16:10 I usually write the wrong one first, find that my code is broken, and then hit M-t in Emacs to fix it. (The same applies to NUMBER->STRING and STRING->NUMBER.) 02:17:36 lol i see 02:18:15 ah that did the trick, thanks Riastradh 02:21:37 -!- jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 02:27:01 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:31 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 02:28:01 -!- augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:28:17 augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 02:30:09 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Client Quit] 02:32:20 -!- will [~will@212.74.83-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 02:42:24 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 02:45:14 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.129.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:49:04 i have a question concerning this code: http://codepad.org/Y3Nz6i3Q 02:49:25 i don't understand the significance of the 'let* in the last cons expression 02:49:46 why is there an apostrophe there? isn't that for symbols 02:50:01 common_tragedian [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has joined #scheme 02:51:08 The apostrophe is shorthand for (QUOTE ...). Evaluating a quoted S-expression yields that S-expression literally. If it is a symbol, then the quotation evaluates to a symbol. In this case, the text "'let*" represents an expression that evaluates to the symbol LET*. 02:52:13 so 'let* is being stored in a list as a symbol? 02:52:37 -!- outofbrain [~outofbrai@dslb-088-071-092-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: outofbrain] 02:52:48 in that specific example 02:53:03 The symbol LET* is being stored in a list, yes. The list (QUOTE LET*) is not, though -- that's just an expression that Scheme will evaluate to the symbol LET*. 02:53:41 right ok 02:54:12 and you mentioned s-expression.. what is that exactly? 02:55:58 An S-expression a written representation for a symbol such as FOO, or a dotted list such as (a b . c) where a, b, and c are S-expressions, or a proper list () or (a) or (a b c) where a, b, and c are expressions, or a string "foo", or a number 123, and so on. 02:56:20 Scheme code is written in S-expressions, and Scheme code can also manipulate S-expressions. 02:58:03 gotcha 02:58:13 reading the wikipedia entry as well 03:00:01 jcowan [~John@70.44.2.39.res-cmts.bus.ptd.net] has joined #scheme 03:00:13 hey ho 03:00:39 I have now read about half of the public parts of Let over Lambda 03:01:00 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:03:20 Of course the author does not understand the difference between high vs. low-level macros and hygienic vs. semi-hygienic macros. 03:04:46 foocraft [~dsc@dyn-86-36-42-96.wv.qatar.cmu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:05:52 jcowan: What's semi-hygienic? syntax-case? Or something else? 03:06:11 No, defmacro + strategic use of gensym 03:06:22 Oh. *nods* 03:06:38 I thought that's called trygienic. :-P 03:06:44 Maybe it is. 03:06:48 *jcowan* is only an egg. 03:07:06 (I was just joking with puns.) 03:07:29 Sounds plausible enough to me. 03:10:56 Also, it seems there are no JIT compilers for Common Lisp, which strikes me as strange. 03:11:04 cky: lol 03:11:57 jcowan: I get the impression that CL people seem to prefer static compilation, but I wouldn't know for sure. 03:12:12 jcowan: Whereas Scheme's design is harder to statically compile well, so JIT compilation is more common. 03:12:14 Yeah, looks that way. One bytecode interpreter, five or so static compilers. 03:12:36 Harder to statically compile well? 03:12:43 Actually, I think Scheme is *easier* to statically compile well. You don't have funky things like (setf (symbol-function foo) whatever) 03:12:44 tizoc: thanks! 03:12:45 I think there are at least as many Scheme compilers as their are CL compilers. 03:13:09 You have it totally backwards. Common Lisp has broken symbols. That makes it hard to statically compile well. 03:13:25 That makes it hard to statically analyze at *all*. 03:13:30 jcowan, arcfide: If you don't act soon I will write up everything in the first draft myself. 03:13:45 You may have to, alas. 03:13:55 ... 03:14:00 jcowan, Riastradh: I see. 03:15:18 I like how Hoyte says in one chapter "Separate namespaces for functions and variables are a Good Thing because they promote macros" and in the next "Separate namespaces for dynamic and lexical variables are a Bad Thing because they prevent code-data duality" 03:15:32 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:15:50 -!- yx [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/yx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16:02 foof: What is the scope of the first draft, anyway? Everything we've decided in ballots 1 and 2, or only a subset thereof? 03:16:26 Everything in ballots 1 and 2. 03:19:23 WHich is more important, complete coverage or getting the draft out on time? 03:19:30 (Given that we might have to choose.) 03:20:00 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:21:03 Apparently CLISP has had a JIT for several years now, but it only works on functions that have been Lisp-compiled (i.e. to bytecode) 03:22:19 ;Value 12: (jesus . #[compound-procedure 13 do-shit]) 03:22:30 what does the . mean in that sentence? 03:22:35 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 03:22:38 and #[compound-procedure 13 do-shit]? 03:22:48 do-shit is the name of a function i defined 03:22:55 The dot means that it's a pair, whose car is the symbol JESUS and whose cdr is a procedure. 03:23:09 i see 03:23:12 You probably wrote (cons token do-shit) somewhere to create such an object. 03:23:28 yes.. but why isn't it printing the final result? 03:23:43 It did: the final result of your expression is that pair. 03:24:07 yes but the 2nd member of that pair returns another pair and so on.. 03:24:23 Yes, but you didn't call the procedure DO-SHIT. You just put the procedure into the pair. 03:25:26 wow, dead on accuracy Riastradh thanks again 03:27:00 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27:27 jcowan: I can write everything up in time, but it will still need review. 03:27:47 I'm likely to have much more review-quality time available than writing-quality time 03:27:59 And I've been a copyeditor, albeit not a professional one. 03:28:20 OK. 03:28:32 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 03:28:39 Remember, bttf, that every parenthesis pair is significant. Writing or omitting a pair always has a semantic consequence. It's not like C where you can always throw more in, but it's sometimes not clear whether you've thrown enough in so you'd better throw some more in just for good measure. 03:28:49 I'll focus on writing. There are some places I needed to make a decision on something the ballot wasn't clear about. 03:29:30 foof, you should also focus on memorizing the words to the song _I'm Against It_, so that you and jcowan can sing a duet when you present it to the committee. 03:29:45 1) I'm pretty sure the dotted tail syntax-rules patterns in R6RS are different from Racket, less useful, and can force O(n^2) processing, but I left it as is for now. 03:30:16 (Getting a roomful of people in elaborate academic regalia to sing the chorus and dance to it may be a little tricky.) 03:30:19 Riastradh: tl;bh were already singing that in the early months. 03:30:26 2) R6RS allows internal define-syntax to _follow_ internal defines and change their meaning, and I specifically forbid that. 03:30:40 Whatever it is, I'm Against It 03:30:41 Good! 03:30:54 jcowan, yes, but they were dreadfully out of tune. 03:31:13 What's wrong with having internal DEFINE-SYNTAX follow internal definitions? 03:31:21 Follow internal DEFINEs, I mean. 03:31:35 *And* modify their meaning. 03:31:38 That's the bad bit. 03:32:09 Modify their meaning how? 03:32:38 (begin (define (x) (y)) (define-syntax y ...) ...) 03:32:51 the (y) must be whatever the outside world says it is. 03:32:58 I like to define macros at the end of a file, at the top level, which I refer to earlier in the file, inside definitions. Why is it wrong to do that in internal definitions? 03:33:49 http://lists.r6rs.org/pipermail/r6rs-discuss/2009-September/005487.html 03:33:57 (Prof. Simpleton and Dr. Hardcase) 03:35:00 Your objection is to forward references to macros altogether. It doesn't really answer my question... 03:35:42 Actually, your objection is to tasteless use of forward references to macros. 03:35:54 Naturally, every use I make of forward references to macros is finely tasteful. 03:35:59 Quite. 03:36:03 But I still don't like them. 03:36:43 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:36:52 After all, if a following macro can redefine the meaning of a preceding function, why can't it redefine whether a preceding form is a macro definition, a definition, or a random form? 03:36:58 And AFAIK even CL does not allow that. 03:38:01 Because that doesn't work! 03:39:07 In what sense, "doesn't work"? You scan the list of forms at a given level, and expand all detected macros repeatedly until the process either converges or doesn't. If it doesn't, you give an error and quit. 03:39:20 Anyway, I suspect we've had this argument before, perhaps more than once. It still doesn't answer my question of why internal definitions should be treated differently from top-level definitions in this respect. 03:39:33 I precisely don't think they should be. 03:40:23 foof: Are you taking the view that the same restriction should be imposed within the top level of a module definition? 03:41:24 It doesn't work in a reasonable time and it doesn't give clear semantics to the expansion process: each macro definition could then have consequences that are difficult to unravel, possibly even recursive consequences from the iteration. 03:41:26 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:42 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has left #scheme 03:42:36 Intensity [nUo7ZOsLCG@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #scheme 03:44:59 About like C++ compilation, then. 03:45:16 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:23 On to how Lisp is not a functional language. It is certainly not a pure functional language; I'm not sure that "functional language" is a well-defined term. 03:52:34 timj__ [~timj@e176196186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:54:30 He's schizophrenic about whether Scheme is Blub or not. By his definition, it is. He also seems to exempt Perl from the curse of Blub. 03:55:00 -!- fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-190-239-199.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:55:01 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:07 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:12 Indeed, now that I think about it, Perl is not Blub. You have access to the full power of Perl to rewrite your code, hence things like Perligata. 03:56:14 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176193042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57:13 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:57:48 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:58:01 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:04:08 -!- foocraft is now known as axman13 04:04:34 -!- axman13 is now known as foocraft 04:06:33 fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-191-170-231.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 04:11:37 -!- jcowan [~John@70.44.2.39.res-cmts.bus.ptd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13:50 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19:58 -!- foocraft [~dsc@dyn-86-36-42-96.wv.qatar.cmu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29:11 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:38 foocraft [~dsc@dyn-86-36-42-96.wv.qatar.cmu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:40:26 chocolaate-maan [~cwo_F4@61.153.16.162] has joined #scheme 04:40:27 -chocolaate-maan:#scheme- hax http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar 04:40:27 THIS IS THE BEST U CAN GET http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar 04:40:27 -!- chocolaate-maan [~cwo_F4@61.153.16.162] has left #scheme 04:41:27 -!- fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-191-170-231.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:49:22 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:52:39 What's a blub. 04:57:32 fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-191-170-231.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 05:03:21 I thik it originated here: http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html 05:03:26 I could be wrong though 05:03:36 That's where I first heard it, at least. 05:11:52 rageous: Basically, Blub is the embodiment of Sapir-Whorf hypothesis in the programming world. 05:14:46 Thanks. 05:27:50 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:35:41 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Night] 05:38:28 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:55:03 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:02:00 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 06:02:15 *offby1* tries to articulate an argument, but is stymied by his inadequate language 06:02:40 *foof* drinks his first pu'er tea 06:02:55 offby1, that's what violence is for 06:06:43 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:07:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:10:33 Blub is not a property of the language; it is a property of the programmer. 06:10:41 Any language can be a programmer's blub. 06:11:04 Of course, there are stronger correlations than others... 06:12:19 Riastradh: I don't like internal define-syntax affecting definitions it follows because 1) that's not how the top-level works, 2) it's ambiguous in the case you're defining syntax which can change what is and isn't a definition, 3) it can be difficult for some existing macro expanders, 4) it's subjectively very bad style. 06:12:44 Especially the even?/odd? 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08:44:04 For example '(* x x) will always be a "string," so how would you go about converting that into part of a procedure that one would manually enter into emacs? 08:44:04 A lambda expression can't take a variable as its body, right? For example: (lambda (x) (bodyvar)), with bodyvar = '(* x x) wouldn't work, I presume. 08:44:47 wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:48:10 ...what's an STK lambda expression, and why is '(* x x) a string? 08:48:18 i mean 08:48:21 nvm 08:48:23 figured it out 08:48:33 had to use eval 08:48:33 -3- 08:52:45 -!- Mango-chan [~derp@unaffiliated/mango-chan] has left #scheme 08:53:50 '(lambda (x) (* x x)) is not a string. It's a form that when evaluated returns a list. 08:54:19 '(* x x) has never been, is not, and never will be a string either. 08:56:47 -!- bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:57:23 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 09:00:47 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:00 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 09:48:56 -!- foocraft [~dsc@dyn-86-36-42-96.wv.qatar.cmu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50:26 mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 09:52:13 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 09:54:59 xwl [~user@222.130.123.76] has joined #scheme 09:59:56 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-165-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:17 pothos [~pothos@111-240-165-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 10:00:55 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 10:01:50 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03:57 -!- clog_ [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:13:56 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 10:16:33 -!- Tasser [~freak@subtle/contributor/Tass] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20:10 Tasser [~freak@subtle/contributor/Tass] has joined #scheme 10:24:26 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 10:28:19 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:56 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:40:41 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 10:42:30 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.135] has joined #scheme 10:42:35 hi 10:42:39 yo 10:42:51 can someone show me an example of define-syntax 10:42:57 (just simple) 10:43:37 -!- Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:46 http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/syntax.html#./syntax:h0 10:52:38 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52:57 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 10:54:51 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 11:08:21 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10:46 will [~will@212.74.83-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 11:11:51 Mathieu [~mathieule@cm187.epsilon164.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #scheme 11:14:37 jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 11:19:18 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 11:20:47 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 11:26:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:59 -!- will [~will@212.74.83-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 11:34:25 -!- wav1 [~Adium@cpe-66-68-116-199.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:46:30 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:33 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-233-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 11:56:18 -!- fantazo__ [~fantazo@178-191-170-231.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:23 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:31 outofbrain [~outofbrai@dslb-088-071-083-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 11:59:54 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 12:01:06 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 12:05:51 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:17 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 12:12:38 -!- jesusito [~user@163.pool85-49-250.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:46 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:22 masm [~masm@2.80.129.75] has joined #scheme 12:16:12 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 12:20:17 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:22:34 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfcc88.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:22:46 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f77b7ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 12:25:48 what was the equivalent of the C "system" function in scheme? 12:26:12 fantazo_: do you know the difference between a language and an implementation? 12:26:13 In some implementations it's `system'. 12:26:28 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:23 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 12:27:54 well, then say chicken scheme. 12:28:17 Go check the documentation of chicken scheme. 12:28:44 pjb, thanks douchebag :-] 12:28:44 http://chickadee.call-cc.org/chickadee/library/system 12:29:03 Also, you may check the SRFi, it's possible they defined a portable interface. 12:29:08 fantazo_: just be glad he didn't tell you about how common lisp would solve that problem ;) 12:29:45 fantazo_: ^ 12:30:48 bremner, then why is that guy in here? I mean when CL is the solution to all diseases, then what is sense of sitting in an irc channel with all the sick people? 12:31:23 To help you learn how to use a manual. 12:31:31 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:31:32 fantazo_: take a deep breath, relax. You will enjoy IRC more if you don't take everything as a personal attack. 12:31:45 or as super condescending ;) 12:31:58 paulh_ [~paulh@2-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 12:32:22 since years of usage, I never get it, why people in IRC generally tend to be assholes than the opposite. 12:32:30 If you expect ME to go read the manual for you, you'd better start sending the euros this way! 12:33:13 fantazo_: I cannot see anything wrong in pjb's replies. See, you don't have the right of being helped anywhere in this world. 12:33:20 pjb, I'm not expecting anyone reading a manual 12:33:27 tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has joined #scheme 12:33:47 That's the problem. You should expect YOU be reading the manual. 12:33:55 I asked, because I searched the fucking documentation and didn't find the procedure in the first 3 minutes. 12:34:12 fantazo_: I searched the docs for you and found it <3 secs 12:34:36 C-Keen, better luck, simple as that. 12:34:51 fantazo_: no, I typed "system" in the search bar and found it 12:34:57 fantazo_: I would not call that luck 12:35:19 http://wiki.call-cc.org/search?text=system&ident= 12:35:33 then this isn't the first result. 12:35:35 fantazo_: well why not use the "API search" on the page? 12:35:54 fantazo_: because you are searching the whole wiki and not just the api reference 12:36:27 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:31 "bad luck", being tired? what else? or what? 12:36:48 fantazo_: noone blames you for not finding anything 12:38:16 fantazo_: maybe the lesson to be learned is, that you can use http://chickadee.call-cc.org/doc/ for searching for chicken scheme functions 12:38:18 ifaria [~user@2001:250:4001:143:222:68ff:fe76:88e4] has joined #scheme 12:39:03 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-233-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #scheme 12:45:37 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 12:52:16 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 12:53:43 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 12:59:54 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 13:05:39 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-189-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:07:20 -!- lithpr [~lithpr@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:38 -!- tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:13 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:26:31 chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:27:48 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:28:02 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:33:57 phao [~phao@189.107.75.7] has joined #scheme 13:34:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:42:05 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-193.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:45:31 lithpr [~lithpr@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:49:42 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 13:55:51 dzhus [~sphinx@93-80-97-1.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 14:09:04 Couick [~quassel@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-47-56.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 14:16:04 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 14:16:07 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 14:19:11 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.75.7] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 14:23:05 tauntaun [~Antoninus@64.134.66.141] has joined #scheme 14:34:10 HG` [~HG@dynj178.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 14:40:03 -!- xwl [~user@222.130.123.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:41:55 hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has joined #scheme 14:43:07 -!- hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:15 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44:35 hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has joined #scheme 14:48:31 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:52:05 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 14:54:14 -!- hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has quit [] 14:56:27 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-251-53.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:00:06 good day everyone 15:00:43 Hi Blkt 15:02:03 greetings 15:04:48 josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 15:04:52 hi 15:06:35 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 15:06:52 -!- Couick [~quassel@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-47-56.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:50 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 15:11:36 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:51 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 15:14:00 -!- chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:07 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #scheme 15:19:08 jbrokc [~jbrokc@99-149-27-9.lightspeed.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:19:11 When recursively comparing the (car ls) to the (cadr ls) (while recurring on the cdr), is that a O(n) operation? 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18:14:10 I mean I can, but its a lot of subroutines that reads the file "s" and translates it into scheme :) 18:16:28 Well, your problem isn't in your eval line 18:16:54 Because `(convert "s")' is giving the same error 18:17:09 well it does that in other cases when eval works 18:17:11 for example: 18:18:02 well, maybe not. 18:18:04 Sec :) 18:18:29 `(eval expression environment)' should work the same as just typing `expression' at the REPL, by definition. As long as the environment is suitable. 18:18:37 Agari [~Agari@107.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:20:01 http://codepad.org/qUvfAx04 I mean thats everything but as you can see its a bit unwieldy 18:20:32 Im a bit confused though that typing (convert "s") appears to display runnable code as its error message 18:20:47 The problem is on line 65 18:20:56 Or, 64, should I say 18:21:04 You've got too many parentheses. :-) 18:21:26 bloody hell 18:21:29 I hate parenthesis now 18:21:35 Heh 18:21:51 (why-hate? 'parens) 18:21:53 I guess it can take some getting used to 18:22:17 oh dang. #t doesn't really make sense for why, does it. 18:24:22 Heh 18:26:33 -!- f8l [~f8l@77-254-165-9.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 18:27:33 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:35 -!- choas [~lars@p5792CB12.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:07 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #scheme 18:31:05 -!- HG` [~HG@dynj178.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 18:32:19 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 18:37:29 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.167.200] has joined #scheme 18:38:57 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f77b7ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:39:09 TheRealPygo [~pygospa@kiel-5f77b8da.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:13 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:51 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:55 -!- simontwo [~simon@78.129.201.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:46 jbrokc [~jbrokc@99-149-27-9.lightspeed.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:44:12 -!- amoe [~amoe@cpc1-brig13-0-0-cust658.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:52:42 If more people learnt to use Paredit, then brackets would not be a problem for anyone. 18:54:54 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:48 I don't remember having any problems with it even before I used Paredit. I guess this is one area where not reall having any experience of other programming languages helped me. 18:56:54 fds: I didn't have a problem before Paredit either. 18:57:01 But Paredit makes my life so much easier that I'd never go back. 18:57:21 Indeed 18:57:56 Although, I find it doesn't quite work how I expect with strings. It could be because I'm not using the latest version 18:59:25 Hmm. 18:59:28 As in, say I have a pair of quotation marks and a word like so: `"" word' I can press C-right-arrow to get `" word"', but I can't press C-;eft=arrpw tp go back to the original situation like I can with brackets 18:59:36 s/;eft/left/ 19:00:49 simontwo [~simon@78.129.201.122] has joined #scheme 19:02:04 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 19:06:12 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 19:09:36 HG` [~HG@dynj178.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 19:11:00 -!- simontwo [~simon@78.129.201.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13:34 so long scheme, hello java! 19:13:59 simontwo [~simon@78.129.201.122] has joined #scheme 19:14:39 zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 19:15:46 mkay, have fun? 19:18:44 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.167.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:10 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:26 I love java, its verbosity appeals to the typist in me 19:26:54 Caleb--: i've done some android programming in scheme lately, much more fun than java 19:36:13 ecraven: Nice! 19:37:31 cool 19:37:38 btw, what's a good IM client for a Symbian OS phone? 19:37:42 is IM+ any good? 19:37:45 still working on some bugs, i'm not very good with kawa so far.. 19:39:57 john54 [~dumdidy@94-225-197-41.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 19:43:47 -!- Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:18 -!- copumpkin is now known as SmugMcFudge 19:47:49 -!- SmugMcFudge is now known as copumpkin 19:48:14 Caleb [~quassel@archlinux/op/caleb] has joined #scheme 19:48:23 doppleganger!! 19:49:52 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 19:50:51 -!- bttf [~docBrown@c-68-59-124-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:53:03 Caleb: stop spamming #scheme :P 19:56:36 oh wait 19:57:02 >_> 19:57:14 you thought you were in ##<3 ? 19:58:53 lol no 19:59:14 Lemonator [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:59:22 better then :) 19:59:27 Lemonator: hi 19:59:33 -!- kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:34 hi 19:59:39 Lemonator: why all caps domain? 19:59:39 -!- Lemonator is now known as kniu 20:00:22 Why not? 20:00:43 It's all caps! 20:01:19 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 20:03:35 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:29 that's just how CMU serves them 20:04:38 MIT does the same, I think, at least for residence halls 20:04:55 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173714.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 20:06:55 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:16 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-167-156.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:13:35 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-165-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13:50 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:14:07 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:16:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:26 Blkt``` [~user@net-93-151-231-11.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:19:21 -!- Blkt`` [~user@net-93-151-248-61.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:21:11 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 20:23:48 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:26:17 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:28:13 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:30:35 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:34:19 elly: oh 20:35:58 Couick [~quassel@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-47-56.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:42:05 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 20:45:47 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:11 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:29 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 20:47:54 pytho [8cb69f4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.182.159.79] has joined #scheme 20:49:10 bttf [~docBrown@c-69-246-160-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:49:15 -!- cpach [~carl@h167n3-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:49:52 yields_a_falseho [~yields_a_@weir-02.slc.edu] has joined #scheme 20:52:03 -!- yields_a_falseho is now known as common_tragedian 20:52:53 eleasah [~eleasah@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has joined #scheme 20:53:40 hey guys. I'm having some trouble with a hw problem and I'm not sure how to fix it. any hints would be really helpful! This is the code with an explanation about what it's supposed to do. http://pastebin.com/Hef1HxnT 20:56:18 pytho: well, you might think about having an else case in your cond 20:57:00 also, you have too many cars afaict 20:57:19 good idea. 20:57:23 too many cars? 20:57:24 are first and rest non-standard? 20:57:39 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #scheme 20:58:12 Yes, bremner. 20:58:12 Riastradh, memo from rudybot: hkBst told me to tell you: you can ask for the limit on the number of channels you can join to be increased/lifted 20:58:29 ...Hi, minion. 20:58:33 Riastradh: thanks 21:03:22 femtooo [~femto@95-89-196-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 21:06:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:11 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:21 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 21:10:06 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 21:12:16 okay I was able to get part of it. 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All of the autoloads do not work perfectly, so you should still add (require 'quack) to your ~/.emacs. 01:31:08 Oops 01:31:13 http://community.schemewiki.org/?quack 01:31:19 Was what I meant to paste 01:32:14 Because, it says that you should add the require for quack, but, is that necessary? 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09:15:08 Is there any idiom for defining static alists where the car is a symbol (and should not be evaluated) and the cdr is an evaluated expression? 09:15:49 Quote/unquote and list/cons seems a bit awkward for large lists. 09:16:17 I can define one myself but I was wondering if there was any existing name for this? 09:27:06 hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has joined #scheme 09:27:11 -!- mmc1 [~michal@85.90.76.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:27:32 mmc1 [~michal@85.90.76.66] has joined #scheme 09:30:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 09:31:41 alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 09:33:47 haven't seen one 09:34:27 amoe: like quasiquote? 09:34:32 when the alist starts to get large, you usually start to need below linear access and update 09:34:58 C-Keen: nah I know about quasiquote 09:35:07 also (list 'symbol (generate-the-rest foo)) is not too awkward is it? 09:36:20 I prefer the list elements to be pairs rather than lists for some OCD reason 09:37:27 sorry I may have misread your initial question then 09:37:48 so it would be (list (cons 'symbol (generate-the-rest foo))) 09:37:59 which starts to look nasty after a bit 09:38:13 amoe: you can always write a macro that does that for you 09:38:31 C-Keen: yep I'm trying that now, though my macro powers are weak... 09:38:36 just wondering what to name it 09:38:40 amoe: they will grow :) 09:39:01 I need to read that JRM tutorial again 09:39:39 always get a third of the way through it 09:39:57 JRM? 09:40:13 cpach [~carl@h167n3-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #scheme 09:40:33 'syntax-rules primer for the merely eccentric' 09:40:52 ah! 09:41:27 ah good one 09:43:05 -!- cpach [~carl@h167n3-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43:31 f8l [~f8l@77-254-165-9.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 09:48:39 jao [~jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 09:48:47 -!- jao [~jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has 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That is, self evaluating symbols. So there's no problem in definining long p-lists or a-lists. Perhaps your scheme has keywords too? 10:05:22 amoe, yep, so you don't need to recurse manually when you can describe the structure with an ellipsis 10:05:48 aoh: that's cool, it seems a bit magical 10:05:54 aoh: I will read about it now 10:06:23 pjb: I don't find the quotes so ugly, but since I want the elements to be pairs, I find the explicit consing pretty ugly 10:07:01 I guess that's just my own weirdness hence I will write my own weird macro ;) 10:08:06 everyone wants to change the language initially :) 10:08:29 it's a good way to learn though 10:09:28 amoe: indeed, writing 'key or :key should not make a lot of a difference. 10:09:58 amoe: otherwise, for a long a-list, you could just write a function to convert a p-list into an a-list (p-list->a-list 'k1 v1 'k2 v2 ...) 10:11:44 pjb: hmm yeah, that's probably a much easier way to get what I want. 10:12:25 though I don't know what a p-list is, is it just an argument list? like (lambda p-list ...) 10:12:37 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has left #scheme 10:13:21 amoe: a p-list (for property list), is a list with symbols in the even numbered indexes, and values in the odd numbered indexes. 10:13:42 (k1 v1 k2 v2 ...) instead of ((k1 . v1) (k2 . v2) ...) 10:13:54 ah cool 10:14:08 cheers pjb 10:14:17 Notice that usually in a-list we don't restrict the keys to be symbols, and you could extend p-list to use non-symbols as keys too. 10:14:38 These restrictions are implemented in lisps who provide functions to process property lists. 10:15:17 The important point is that p-list and a-list use exactly the same amount of cons cells and exactly the same time to search, update or insert associations. 10:15:23 kuribas [~user@dD5763501.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 10:19:03 on the other hand alists can also be processed with standard list functions (map, filter, fold, ...) which is often convenient 10:19:40 Indeed. 10:22:01 either way, [ap]-lists are very good for ~10-100 keys, after which you get a nice excuse to study key-value trees and/or hashes 10:22:27 -!- hrr4 [~thehrr4@teleport.nynex.de] has quit [] 10:22:51 Indeed too. Among the Common Lisp implementations, the cut off between [ap]-lists and hash-table is between 5 and 35 keys. 10:24:11 I use alists much more than hash tables and rarely go above about 15 keys 10:24:48 pjb, do you know what (if anything) they fall back for in the persistent case? 10:25:10 -!- qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25:18 On the other hand, one problem with cons-based data structure is that they don't have a specific type, so when you have an OO system, you're motivated to use objects with specific types (classes). 10:25:48 aoh: what do you mean by "persistent case"? 10:26:17 pjb, immutable, persistent 10:26:34 qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #scheme 10:27:22 I don't know. I assume there's no difference from mutable data structure. If you give an a-list for an immutable data structure, you should get back an a-list, etc. 10:28:30 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:14 bbl 10:30:27 Is there a name for dividing a list into sublists of N elements? (in order) 10:38:02 srfi-1 has many that kind of things, but probably not that one 10:39:28 in case you are doing a plist->alist, you could also apply a function that takes 2 arguments and a dotted list repeatedly 10:40:21 I have the function but I wonder what to call it ;) 10:40:29 Since it seems like a common operation... 10:44:42 it's a bit like zip/unzip 10:46:17 ecraven: yeah I thought so 10:46:58 I have written that procedure a lot for some reason and every time I always look at zip and unzip and realize they don't do what I want 10:47:13 I have never had a use for zip and unzip in fact 10:48:39 :) maybe something with -split? 10:49:22 yeah, makes sense 11:04:43 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 11:05:18 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.200.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:04 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 11:19:46 -!- f8l [~f8l@77-254-165-9.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: przygodo!] 11:23:54 amoe: check Haskell 11:27:11 amoe: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/latest/doc/html/Data-List.html#v:groupBy 11:27:15 http://tinyurl.com/5ufnt68 11:31:27 haskell has 7 zips, heh 11:31:44 I wonder why Olin chose 5 11:34:36 looks like haskell doesn't have that function, fwiw 11:35:24 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:16 xwl [~user@114.241.242.47] has joined #scheme 11:46:42 7 zips is nothing, have you seen the definition of a tuple in GHC? ( http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/ghc-prim-0.2.0.0/GHC-Tuple.html ) 11:46:46 http://tinyurl.com/4rqe7mg 11:48:50 that is hilarious 11:49:50 sloyd: do you know why it was defined that way? 11:50:03 I don't know haskell at all really 11:54:07 I think because an infinite number of tuple types would require some compiler hack and it's not required by Haskell98 ( http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/basic.html#sect6.1.4 ) 11:56:37 yeah, tuples are fixed arity, more like structs than lists 11:56:52 nice of them to support >15, i wonder how they chose how many... 11:57:31 bill gates said 15 should be more than enough for anybody 11:57:48 source code comment: Manuel says: Including one more declaration gives a segmentation fault. 11:58:24 outofbrain [~outofbrai@dslb-088-071-079-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 11:59:07 :) 12:09:02 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 12:15:51 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 12:22:38 -!- kephas is now known as nowhere_man 12:24:02 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 12:24:16 amoe: i meant something like gropuBy 12:24:37 maybe 'groups-of-2' 12:38:57 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has left #scheme 12:40:08 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:27 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 12:43:52 masm [~masm@2.80.129.75] has joined #scheme 12:45:35 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:19 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 12:57:35 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.232.168] has joined #scheme 13:11:42 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:54 -!- kuribas [~user@dD5763501.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:12:10 cpach [~carl@h167n3-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #scheme 13:13:27 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 13:18:51 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 13:30:00 -!- mmc1 [~michal@85.90.76.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:11 Would anyone have a copy of edw's web framework called Magic? 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