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I am coding soemthing like ... (let ([foo (some-procedure)]) ... 10:33:47 but I want to bind foo to the value returned by some-procedure... not to the procedure itself 10:33:53 how can I do this? 10:42:02 wrap a lambda around ? 10:43:03 no wait a defun, or define (with implicit progn) 10:46:09 rudybot: (define test (let ([foo (lambda () (* 4 2))] display foo)) 10:46:10 lewis1711: you see I have (push (list beg end limit sign exp) sdl) to test that ;) 10:49:06 hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD124214245222.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 10:52:17 xvilka pasted "dream non-standard" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/118790 10:52:52 lewis1711: you are binding foo to the value returned by some-procedure there 10:53:09 pls, explain me - how i can implement such "macro" on standard scheme? 10:53:11 C-Keen: in the first or second?? 10:53:19 11:33 lewis1711> right, so I am coding soemthing like ... (let ([foo (some-procedure)]) ... 10:53:22 there 10:53:26 huh 10:53:32 guess I mis-diagnosed my error then 10:53:53 (some-procedure) gets evaluated and the result is bound to foo 10:55:06 f8l [~f8l@77-255-12-39.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 11:05:41 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 11:07:50 -!- lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:47 lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 11:22:48 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:40:58 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 11:42:58 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 11:48:18 StephenFalken [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #scheme 12:00:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/118791 something seems to be wrong with my code. when I press up (TCODK_UP), it prints up but then the whole thing crashes. shouldn't main-loop keep going? :/ 12:01:36 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 12:03:36 maybe the people in #racket know 12:04:17 I don't think much of it is racket specific 12:04:38 guess I could try there as well 12:05:02 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:14 xvilka: You basically want first class macros? Wow. (I know Guile provides such things, but in general, that's just...gnarly.) 12:07:54 xvilka: (Guile does have define-macro, but, do you really want to use it?) 12:08:15 xvilka: Understand that unhygienic macros in Scheme is seriously problematic, much more so than in a Lisp-2 like Common Lisp. 12:09:57 phao: Decent Scheme systems are geared towards massive short-lived object creation. Read up on generation garbage collection. 12:10:10 *generational GC 12:10:30 phao: So, I wouldn't worry about "excessive" object creation, in general. 12:14:28 tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has joined #scheme 12:15:12 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.134.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:18:05 -!- user18 [~user@p5B2A9E78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:10 cky: so, no way to write it? O_o 12:21:06 i'm working on compiller on exotic latform 12:22:38 xvilka: I just don't think first-class macros are necessary or a good idea. 12:28:26 ok, so i am working on a little game in scheme. getting up to the bit where you make your character move around a 2d-screen. what I usually do is have keyboard input trigger functions that change the x, y coordinates of the character. this of course involves mutating state, is there some functional way i could do it or should I not bother? :P 12:28:46 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.40.163] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30:34 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-124.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 12:31:28 <_p4bl0> lewis1711: you could always define a Monadswpe Monads 12:31:39 <_p4bl0> fail 12:31:49 <_p4bl0> but I wouldn't bother :-D 12:31:58 I wouldn't bother either. 12:35:10 Do not try and change the value; that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: your program has no value. Then you'll see, that it is not the program that changes, it is only your job. 12:35:45 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #scheme 12:37:38 Jafet: are you drunk? 12:41:06 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #scheme 12:43:04 lewis1711: you can always have an object holding the world, then have your main function produce a new updated world. Now mutation there see? 12:43:20 sounds computationally intensive 12:43:27 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD124214245222.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:43:43 unless scheme compilers optimise that sort of thing 12:47:25 lewis1711: Premature optimisation is the root of all evil. 12:48:07 I'm sorry you're going to have to find a Dijkstra quote I only listen to those 12:48:09 ;) 12:49:30 The Dutch have an established tradition of going against established tradition in programming practice. 12:50:08 Today it's "map and lambda considered harmful", what next? 12:51:20 lewis1711: I mean, if 10 years from now, when you are doing something quick and dirty, you suddenly visualize that I am looking over your shoulders and say to yourself "Dijkstra would not have liked this", well, that would be enough immortality for me. 12:52:00 haha :D 12:53:33 foldl and foldr considered slightly harmful 12:55:33 http://vidiowiki.com/watch/p92te4e/Guy_Steele_foldl_and_foldr_considered_slightly_harmful 12:55:34 http://tinyurl.com/4j85cb5 12:59:15 interesting 12:59:31 since my multicore machine is broken though.. 13:01:15 zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-196-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 13:01:30 -!- tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:36 mathk_ [~mathk@194.177.62.163] has joined #scheme 13:11:22 cky: and what alternative i can use? 13:11:58 -!- zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-196-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:04 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 13:12:19 -!- 36DAA1BDN [~mathk@194.177.62.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:12:30 zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-209-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 13:13:30 xvilka: You can use standard Scheme macros. 13:24:33 -!- towodo [~anonymous@209-6-120-139.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: towodo] 13:28:52 phao [~phao@189.107.134.160] has joined #scheme 13:33:48 hmmm, dealing with 2d array structures in scheme is going to be interesting for me. unless I just give in and use for loops and set! all the time 13:34:05 sCheme :/ 13:35:22 ? 13:37:09 undefined indentifier "?" 13:37:12 wow, good talk 13:37:21 *adu* <3 Guy 13:41:03 *cky* must watch that video. 13:41:16 it was short 13:41:46 it's amazing how little I've used scheme compared to how much I love it 13:42:16 I think the only real script was for Gimp 13:46:44 twem2 [~twem2@puma-mxisp.mxtelecom.com] has joined #scheme 13:48:00 -!- eut [~m@cpe-24-24-136-239.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:49:20 which talk? 13:49:20 -!- lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:29 -!- zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-209-143.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #scheme 13:49:49 towodo [~anonymous@209-6-120-139.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 13:58:33 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-209-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:58:40 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-209-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:01:03 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-89.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:37 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-89.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03:41 phao: "Organizing Function Code for Parallel Execution" 14:10:03 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 11:21:43 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 11:21:43 11:21:43 -!- names: ccl-logbot jao kenjin2201 DrDuck wbooze homie masm Seus hkBst rasterbar leppie dmv_ alaricsp peterhil pchrist ToxicFrog user17 parcs MichaelRaskin offby1 MapMan Nisstyre nilg acarrico timj_ kniu Teapot annodomini Intensity Riastradh morphir pygospa snorble mathk sjamaan copumpkin yorick yx Adamant z0d Euthydemus Caleb-- ASau pothos pjb yosafbridge em ski eno__ rrm3_ qsun_ arbscht neilcj preflex bremner gnomon mnemonicsloth rien minsa snappy araujo 11:21:43 -!- names: stamourv jeapostrophe dlouhy rien_ simontwo weinholt REPLeffect joast cky Axioplase_ elly antoszka alexsuraci` Hal9k jimrees_ rdd sloyd devn tessier Zol danking cataska snarkyboojum incubot nowhere_man aking jimster clog pr elf qebab pantsd foof DerGuteMoritz klutometis rotty Adrinael fds mario-goulart rapacity zbrown ray ve Pepe_ certainty zbigniew rudybot _p4bl0 levi lusory alexsuraci pattern mornfall lisppaste specbot minion Fill aoh dfeuer ada2358 11:21:43 -!- names: ozzloy zeroish Tasser Obfuscate inimino Kovensky metasyntax` kanru bzzbzz felipe C-Keen askhader Zahl XTL futilius metasyntax timchen1` rmrfchik ineiros tonyg Khisanth ecraven apgwoz borism peddie stepnem tizoc NNshag indigo Leonidas 11:22:37 -!- stamourv [~user@kauai.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:22:49 stamourv [~user@129.10.112.220] has joined #scheme 11:22:54 -!- foof [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:54 foof` [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 11:37:45 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 11:38:40 lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 11:49:51 hi all 11:50:38 i'm learning scheme for school and want to see if you can tell me if you believe I'm going in the correct direction to solve this problem I'm working on 11:51:01 lisppaste: url 11:51:02 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 11:51:06 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 11:51:12 but beware that we are not solving homework for you 11:51:20 no i don't want you to 11:51:31 ok 11:51:38 i just want to know if I'm even thinking about this the right way or if i'm completely off 11:51:40 then paste some code to lisppaste :) 11:55:53 tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has joined #scheme 11:56:06 Seus2k3 pasted "scheme-hw" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/118957 11:56:36 hmm that lisppaste is pretty handy that it auto copies in here 11:58:35 Seus: for deep-reverse. think about how you would deal with reversing a single list 11:58:39 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:48 now what if an element of that list is a list? 11:59:14 well i know for reversing a list, i'd use (reverse ... ) 11:59:43 so what do you need to do for a deep reverse? 11:59:52 to access those inside lists... 12:00:20 i don't know if i should be using map...or cdr or what 12:00:30 or if i'm completely off there 12:01:35 Seus: for deep-reverse? 12:01:40 yeah 12:02:19 well do you know how to reverse a "flat" list? 12:03:32 i just use ( reverse ... ) from what I tried 12:04:16 ok, so you reverse a list. then when you get to a bit in your list that is a list, you want to reverse that too, right? 12:04:29 yes 12:05:03 i initially thought, what if i used map to check if the item is a list 12:05:11 sounds good to me 12:05:18 maybe then if true use reverse... 12:05:35 ok lemme give it a shot here 12:08:42 Seus: the problem of all your exercises is always the same: list traversal 12:08:49 yes 12:08:57 so maybe you want to start with that 12:09:43 C-Keen: yeah that's what he's doing by trying out the map thing:P 12:10:04 hmm ok i'll definitely trying this stuff out...my first time with a procedural language, and scheme at that 12:10:11 about 4 days into learning this thus far 12:10:21 do you know how to use map at all? 12:10:37 as far as i can tell, it works like for-each 12:11:47 map is also part of perl, python and others 12:11:52 javascript 12:12:48 Seus: almost. the main difference is that map returns a new list 12:12:48 is there a way to tell mit-scheme to inform me about unbound symbols when evaluating a definition (not when actually evaluating a function) 12:13:02 list -> mapped-list 12:13:09 whereas a for-each doesn't neccescarily 12:13:29 hmm ok so if i do (map list? xs) it should return a #t/#f list correct? 12:13:36 try it :D 12:13:41 that's what interpreters are for 12:14:08 hmm nice yes it does 12:14:27 pro-tip: use the interpereter lots to try out shit 12:15:30 well i wish this book that I ordered on Amazon would be here so I can get a better run down of the syntax and such 12:15:37 as right now, everything is off of the web 12:16:26 Seus: the scheme programming langauge is available online. google cause i am lazy:) but it's a great reference 12:16:39 yeah i've been using it quite a bit 12:16:41 3rd edition if you are R5RS (I think mit scheme is) 12:16:50 sometimes its definitely a matter of just finding what i need 12:17:01 yeah. the index is great :D 12:17:16 *lewis1711* will have to return his copy to the library soon :( 12:17:43 i am just glad i finished the pascals triangle row return as well as the prime factorization problem we had 12:17:54 did you sort out deep reverse? 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