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Right now I am playing around with the IBM foundry courier in 10646 encoding, which has some. 21:48:53 Neither of these fonts has as wide a spread as I would like. 21:55:15 Mikaeel_Mohamed [Mohamdu@2002:8161:f1d1:b:6970:46e3:f630:7ce4] has joined #scheme 22:03:56 inconsolata is my favorite programming font 22:07:29 shrughes [~shrughes@cpe-98-155-85-124.san.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:08:26 -!- samth [~samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09:30 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-183.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:10:36 *offby1* is inconsolable 22:13:15 -!- MononcQc is now known as zubair 22:13:24 -!- zubair is now known as MononcQc 22:15:01 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 22:18:31 -!- pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.124.96] has left #scheme 22:19:18 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 22:22:29 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-173.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?] 22:22:54 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-173.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:23:26 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.136.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:25:21 I like Consolas better than Inconsolata -- it's heavier in a more readable way. 22:30:48 I just use default everything in terms of fonts, but I did stay in a hotel and watch clips from 'Helevetica' the documentary last night 22:31:38 samth [~samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:32:59 I think the last time I was shifting around fonts was when I was trying to make natural language essays that I didn't like doing fit the assigned page requirement 22:33:10 did the topic always have a let in it 22:33:22 *glogic* ponders this and other oddities 22:35:56 glogic, no, it didn't 22:36:20 samth: my mind is blown 22:36:35 -!- kuribas [kristof@d54C4326F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:40:32 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-106.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 22:44:18 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [Mohamdu@2002:8161:f1d1:b:6970:46e3:f630:7ce4] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:52:24 scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-183.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 22:55:14 -!- marcob [~marco@87.19.67.81] has quit [Quit: marcob] 23:00:55 attila_lendvai_ [~ati@89.135.205.114] has joined #scheme 23:02:39 glogic: I thought it was pretty interesting when they added that, too. 23:03:16 arcfide: indeed 23:03:21 arcfide: kind of threw me 23:04:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@adsl-89-132-54-34.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:05 mdmkolbe [~adamsmd@2001:18e8:2:244:212:3fff:fe43:5290] has joined #scheme 23:09:16 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09:46 Quadresce` [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 23:10:14 -!- Quadresce` is now known as Quadrescence 23:11:04 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-186.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:18:20 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:22:48 phao [~phao@189.107.154.37] has joined #scheme 23:23:41 How do I print an R6RS condition with the same formatting that the default exception handler uses (e.g. in Chez, (display some-condition) produces "#", but (raise some-condition) prints a nice pretty-printed form of the condition.) 23:23:41 This is basically for a testing harness, when things blowup I want the nice pretty printing that the default handler does but I also want to catch the error and continue on to the next test. 23:30:29 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:21 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:37:14 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.154.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:38:41 -!- attila_lendvai_ is now known as attila_lendvai 23:38:44 jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:03 -!- snearch [~olaf@e179134166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:49:08 mdmkolbe: You should play with 'display-condition'. 23:49:55 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:58 arcfide: Have you tried Consolas? 23:55:20 arcfide: thx 00:04:03 haiworld [~ravi@isp.becroft.co.nz] has joined #scheme 00:04:09 hello 00:04:24 how do I compare some symbol for emptiness 00:04:33 '() eq '() ? 00:05:56 empty? 00:07:06 empty? is PLT specific I think, null? is the standard name. (eq? x '()) also works. 00:07:27 will try those .. thanks :) 00:12:08 sorry new to scheme... 00:12:19 is there a way to print the contents of a symbol 00:12:23 if it is a lamda 00:12:33 like a code listing 00:16:27 Not a general way 00:16:48 Lambda may be compiled, a foreign function or whatever... 00:22:26 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.52.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:23:48 davazp [~user@147.Red-88-6-205.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:32:18 -!- rt7 [~rt7@Free.Arethusa-VPN.with.mirkforce.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:33:09 rt7 [~rt7@Free.Arethusa-VPN.with.mirkforce.de] has joined #scheme 00:35:41 -!- luz [~davids@201.37.225.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:45 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.49.243] has joined #scheme 00:39:08 phao [~phao@189.107.202.49] has joined #scheme 00:41:40 Is there a way to get a running tally of how many threads a process is using at any one time in Linux? Maybe with Top? I only see a way that lists all the threads explicitly. 00:41:51 I'd prefer just a number or something that is the count. 00:44:20 Daemmerung! I have a song named after you! and it is epic :) 00:53:26 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7F44C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:54:03 fabe [~fabe@p54A7C1EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 01:13:17 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-mpexvmavocqpmzwi] has joined #scheme 01:13:31 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 01:18:52 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7C1EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:13 arcfide: ps -M ? 01:27:30 Oh Daemmerung! / Thou goodly land / In which we find / The brightest sand 01:27:47 Stromkern - Daemmerung 01:28:00 When all a-whirl / With subtle schemes / Our hearts go out / To dream machines. 01:28:03 Burma Shave 01:29:39 foof` [~user@i220-220-122-111.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 01:29:58 -!- foof [~user@i220-220-122-111.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:21 it has a beat and you can dance to it. 01:36:47 Adamant: true. 01:37:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@89.135.205.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39:01 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 01:39:47 automejja [~edwin@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 01:39:50 *foof`* dances to funeral marches 01:40:35 big Chopin fan? 01:40:38 I'm more of a "Traum durch die Daemmerung" than a "Daemmerung im Traum" -- but, hey, cool. 01:41:58 :) 01:42:02 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:44:59 -!- foof` is now known as foof 01:54:07 -!- automejja [~edwin@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 01:54:15 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:55:11 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 01:58:55 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:59:22 sundaymorning [~root@189.107.129.204] has joined #scheme 01:59:50 hello, what can I use to make drawings with scheme? Something like SDL bindings or something 02:00:08 sundaymorning: What Scheme implementation do you want to use? 02:00:09 what implementation are you using? 02:00:11 rofl 02:00:20 jonrafkind: Beat you! 02:00:21 mzscheme, but I can use others 02:00:22 :-P 02:00:36 sundaymorning: There are a number of drawing libraries in PLT Scheme. 02:00:50 I don't know the names of them, but there are some 3d and 2d centered versions. 02:01:40 you can use the mred toolkit, or opengl, or i wrote an ffi library around an easy-to-use 2d library called allegro: http://planet.plt-scheme.org/display.ss?package=allegro.plt&owner=kazzmir 02:02:34 adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:37 -!- sundaymorning [~root@189.107.129.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:07:02 sundaymorning [~root@189.107.171.39] has joined #scheme 02:09:51 -!- ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:09:56 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:14:03 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:19:06 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-162.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:12 hm, there's no mred on debian, it seems 02:20:52 You're making assumptions that are unwarranted. 02:21:17 One is that the library called MrEd will be found in a Debian package with a similar name. 02:21:28 *jonrafkind* awards +5 points to chandler for laying down the law hardcore 02:21:52 hm, perhaps it's not on lenny 02:22:05 sundaymorning, mred is part of mzscheme/plt/drscheme 02:22:12 look it up in the docs 02:22:15 oh, it's part of drscheme 02:22:20 which docs? 02:22:21 its just a library 02:22:26 hit f1 in drscheme 02:22:31 it should open up a docs window in your browser 02:22:39 or failing that, goto docs.plt-scheme.org 02:23:02 I was using mzscheme 02:23:11 drscheme looks a lot fancier :P 02:23:18 -!- davazp [~user@147.Red-88-6-205.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:01 drscheme has a bunch of whiz-bang features 02:24:04 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 02:24:21 it even does your taxes*!!! (*not really) 02:32:11 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.202.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:22 -!- sundaymorning [~root@189.107.171.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:44:36 phao [~phao@189.107.178.55] has joined #scheme 02:51:02 ficthe [~kiwi@unaffiliated/ficthe] has joined #scheme 02:52:42 timj_ [~timj@e176210066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:29 it kneads my dough! 02:55:01 That sounds oddly plausible. 02:56:02 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176208125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:05:45 hungrylumberjack [~thelumber@75-119-245-174.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 03:08:00 can someone tell me why my function is expecting an ? "(define build-list (lambda (x y) (cond ((eq? y '()) '()) (append (list (cons (car y) (car x))) (build-list suit (cdr y))) )))" parameters put in are "(define suit '(S H D C))" "(define numbers '(A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 J Q K))" call is (build-list suit numbers) 03:08:25 I have a feeling this should be obvious\ 03:10:10 Your `cond' is malformed. 03:10:36 NOt that that explains the error message. 03:11:56 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:13:01 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-186.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13:42 whoops missed the else... 03:14:34 (define build-list (lambda (x y) (cond ((eq? y '()) '()) (else (append (list (cons (car y) (car x))) (build-list suit (cdr y))))))) 03:15:28 It's expecting an integer but I am not performing any math operations. Unless eq? counts... 03:17:01 (define build-list (lambda (x y) (cond ((null? y) '()) (else (append (list (cons (car y) (car x))) (build-list suit (cdr y))))))) 03:17:06 build-list is a built in function 03:17:08 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:11 in mzscheme 03:17:32 oh my shit *slaps forehead* 03:17:57 wow. Ok looking up how that works... 03:18:03 I just cut/pasted your code into drscheme. Works On My Machine(tm). 03:18:20 should redefine fine though shouldn't it? 03:18:40 it should 03:18:41 redefines fine, within a #lang scheme. Which #lang are you using? 03:18:47 mzscheme 03:20:23 ok well renaming it 03:20:48 (define makeAlist (lambda (x y) (cond ((null? y) '()) (else (append (list (cons (car y) (car x))) (build-list suit (cdr y))))))) 03:20:50 there 03:21:34 -!- foof [~user@i220-220-122-111.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:22:01 you didn't rename the build-list call inside it 03:23:04 whoops haha good spot blah 03:23:33 (define makeAlist (lambda (x y) (cond ((null? y) '()) (else (append (list (cons (car y) (car x))) (makeAlist suit (cdr y))))))) 03:24:02 wow 03:24:09 I am fucking stupid hahaha 03:24:48 Whew no more beers for me. I think it went from encouraging me to work to affecting my programming 03:24:49 If you use plt-r5rs instead of mzscheme, your original code works. mzscheme's top level is wonky, in my experience. 03:25:12 (mzscheme is great if you're running stuff prefixed by #lang scheme.) 03:25:32 Hmm I will experiment with plt then, I am only using mz because of teach preference. 03:25:54 Loving scheme though, so much fun in so few lines 03:26:10 Stick your code in a file, prefix it with #lang scheme (very important), and use mzscheme to launch that. Should work fine. 03:26:27 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.49.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27:39 I'm sure eventually one of the hardcore PLTistas will come along and explain how mzscheme's borked top level is actually a brilliant thing. /me trolls 03:28:00 haha sweet I will just stick to not renaming things that are built in. 03:28:09 I thought the PLT refrain was "the top level is broken". 03:39:02 Daemmerung, the way Matthew has described it is is that this behavior isn't great, but there's not a choice that fixes it, makes the REPL 'work', and is consistent 03:39:12 because "the top level is hopeless" 03:39:44 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.52.3] has joined #scheme 03:40:17 Oh, hopeless, that's the word I was looking for. 03:40:38 leppie [~lolcow@dsl-243-42-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:41:51 Daemmerung: if I recall correctly, they'll come along and say "The top level is hopeless" 03:42:00 samth: oh crap. 03:42:18 There's that echo in here again. 03:42:24 *offby1* really needs to read scrollback a bit more carefully 03:42:28 Or maybe it's Dramatic Reverb. 03:42:39 What echo? 03:42:51 Echo? echo? ..cho? 03:42:52 i always appreciate others supporting my points :) 03:43:46 I'm not necessarily *endorsing* this message, mind you :-) 03:44:26 It would be a kindness if mzscheme would emit some sort of diagnostic when ignoring an attempted redefinition. 03:44:26 all is lost 03:44:56 It would be better if it didn't attempt such things at all. 03:44:58 Daemmerung, it's not ignoring an attempted redefinition 03:45:19 the redefintion hasn't happened when the expansion of the rhs occurs 03:45:56 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.52.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:19 -!- _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-mpexvmavocqpmzwi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:47:52 hmm. i can do this without problem: (define (build-list x) (if (< x 2) (build-list (+ 1 x)) 3)) 03:48:05 (build-list 2) => 3 03:48:35 You're not typing that interactively at a mzscheme REPL, I daresay. 03:48:41 yes, i am 03:49:12 *Daemmerung* scratches his haid 03:49:12 Are you redefining `build-list', or binding it for the first time? 03:49:27 build-list was defined 03:49:54 i just bound it to old-bl beforehand, and can restore its original definition just fine 03:50:42 perhaps arity-1 build-list doesn't conflict with arity-2? /guessing 03:51:13 not that scheme works that way. But this is mzscheme. Anything is possible. 03:51:30 Daemmerung, no, there's not separation by arity 03:51:38 works the same using arity 2 03:52:00 It's jao's magic touch. 03:52:34 the inner call to build-list is never executed 03:53:10 And that's the call that's being bound to the original build-list. I see. 03:53:14 (build-list 1) works the same 03:53:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:54:21 *Daemmerung* is cranky, and will take his cranky self elsewhere. Hasta, y'all. 03:54:24 or (build-list -10), for that matter 03:56:12 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-79-116-103.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:56:16 aha 03:56:25 i was doing this in a geiser repl 03:56:40 in a plain mzscheme, it doesn't work 03:57:18 so i'm doing some magic in geiser that i'm totally unaware of 03:57:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 03:58:07 but i'll add that to the list of geiser features 03:58:17 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-196-122.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58:21 jao, what is geiser 03:58:39 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.51.165] has joined #scheme 03:58:43 http://gitorious.org/geiser 03:58:50 in drscheme i am getting an output of a long list that's putting each entry of the list on its own line. Is there anyway to force it not to do that? 03:58:56 an extended emacs mode for scheme 03:59:08 samth: along the lines of slime 04:00:27 samth: geiser repl is basically a mzscheme running inside emacs, with a few tweaks to print the current namespace 04:02:37 emma, change the "insert newlines in printed values" option in the "choose language" dialog 04:04:32 thanks very much. 04:04:40 Have you ever heard of a Lindenmayer System? 04:05:41 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.51.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:07:56 I have a PDF of "The Algorithmic Beauty of Plants," but have never read it. So "heard of," but nothing more. 04:08:52 Daemmerung: cool. well i hardly know much about it either but what ive done is this.. 04:09:36 I implemented some L-systems in scheme, and then I made a scheme procedure to turn the output into logo language, so I could feed it to this page -- http://www.amberfrog.com/logo/ 04:10:06 which is a logo interpeter 04:10:40 That sounds delightfully convoluted 04:11:09 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:11:09 Use mred and cut out the logo-middleman! 04:11:35 though turtles are convenient 04:12:14 Yes, but what draws the turtle? 04:12:40 i've got one here that makes like the sierpinksy triangle 04:12:42 ...all the way down. 04:13:00 hold on i'll paste what i did so you can try it yourself. 04:13:37 This could be a clever hook for a paper about cellular automata implemented in Logo. 04:18:17 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.51.1] has joined #scheme 04:22:52 http://paste.lisp.org/display/96977 04:23:10 chandler, Daemmerung ^ 04:24:44 chandler, Daemmerung ahh I should say I was experimenting here so there's a bunch of crap in that that isn't even used, but all of it works. 04:25:08 and kosh and kosh2 probably aren't good names for what they do. I wasn't planning on showing anyone else. 04:27:08 "Your browser does not support the canvas element - sorry!" 04:27:27 I think there's a turtle-graphics module on Planet.... 04:28:00 Anyway these are Lindenmayer Systems, I read about them here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-system 04:28:26 -!- samth [~samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:28:32 Daemmerung: you may have more luck with this one -- http://www.amberfrog.com/logo/ 04:29:32 Nah, that one's really borked. It's spitting some sort of binary gibberish back at me -- checked it with wget, and couldn't recognize the output. Anyway. I see where you're going. 04:29:46 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:30:59 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 04:31:46 Oh! it's not on Planet, it's built-in. (require graphics/turtles) apparently. 04:37:28 how do you do that? 04:37:48 you just type that in the definitions window? 04:38:40 That's how you get access to the 10,000 libraries of PLT Scheme. Yes. Just put (require WHATEVAR) in the defn window, below your #lang scheme. 04:39:05 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:43:14 If you've done the "quick introduction" to PLT Scheme, this is glossed in section 9. If you haven't, it's well worth your time. 04:43:52 ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 04:48:33 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-183.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:48:34 okay 04:53:12 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.51.1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:54:20 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.178.55] has left #scheme 05:06:30 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.53.215] has joined #scheme 05:29:00 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:10 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:34:23 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.53.215] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:40:42 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-143-127.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:46:14 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:47:40 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.52.86] has joined #scheme 05:47:42 foof [~user@i220-220-122-111.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 05:51:45 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:49 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.52.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:03:24 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:06:41 chittoor [~chittoor@117.204.53.220] has joined #scheme 06:14:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:45 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 06:25:44 after learning (some) scheme, C seems so lifeless :( 06:33:36 C is closer to the machine, and can be interesting to work with in that respect. 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(quote (+ 1 2)) (quote (+ 1 2))) evaluate to? 15:32:11 It's undefined. 15:32:25 It could be either #f or #t. 15:33:27 ahhh 15:37:53 kar8nga [~kar8nga@91.35.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:47 hungrylumberjack [~thelumber@75-119-245-174.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 15:41:26 I recommend a careful reading of R5RS 6.1, paying close attention to the very end of the description of `eqv?'. 15:41:32 r5rs eqv? 15:42:11 Hm, specbot's on strike. 15:44:47 leppie [~lolcow@dsl-243-42-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:46:02 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-144.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 15:46:09 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:47:02 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-125.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:58:28 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-78-172-39.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:00:43 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-116-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping 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