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algorithm 12:19:25 eli: The ranked-pairs? 12:19:37 Or, if that doesn't help, pick a short example (list of three for example) and work through all the steps by hand 12:19:43 foof: yes. 12:20:53 This is the right channel for such questions, BTW 12:21:07 kenjin2202 [~kenjin@220.120.43.80] has joined #scheme 12:22:59 foof: Speaking about that -- is there any reason each vote is a list of one symbol? 12:23:49 Yes - it can be a list of any number of symbols to rank equally. 12:24:14 e.g. if someone prefers A > B/C > D, with equal preference to B and C. 12:25:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@apn-89-223-144-157.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:25:39 Yeah, that was my guess, but the condition in `join-candidates' was confusing (looks like you were trying to allow just a symbol as a shorthand for a singleton list). 12:25:40 nifty 12:25:50 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:28:37 sjamaan: I have realised that I'm using cons in the wrong way 12:29:13 I need to define my own function which appends car lat onto the recursion of cdr lat 12:30:23 That could work 12:31:13 Another way to do it is to make a helper function which carries along an intermediate result 12:31:32 daedra: That would be the classic example of horribly inefficient code. 12:31:50 eli: This is an exercise from The Little Schemer if I'm not mistaken 12:32:10 At that point, efficiency is not of concern 12:32:33 It's about grokking recursion 12:32:52 yeah I just want to get my head around recursion 12:32:56 Yes, the `lat's are recognizable; but I know that at least one of the authors dislikes such redundant inefficiencies. 12:33:00 I'm also reading the little schemer ;) 12:33:10 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:33:30 eli: sure, but "one thing at a time" is also important in teaching, I think :) 12:34:02 Yes, yes... 12:34:20 meric [~Eric@124-168-162-213.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 12:34:26 As long as the second thing 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I think this is now a case of not understanding the language as opposed to the concept of recursion. http://pastebin.com/d3dbc345af 14:48:59 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 14:49:11 That pastebin doesn't appear to be working 14:49:13 lisppaste: url? 14:49:13 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 14:49:16 Try that ^ 14:49:18 oops 14:49:53 sjamaan: http://pastebin.com/d3bc345af 14:50:24 You didn't quote the empty list 14:50:35 there is a cond missing no? 14:50:36 Now it's a function application without a function inside :) 14:50:41 That too 14:51:52 ah 14:51:59 yes I knew about that 14:52:27 was just rewriting into pastebin as I can't seem to copy/paste on this machine 14:52:49 Hm, that sucks 14:53:40 thanks it works now! 14:53:48 yw 14:53:52 I can now use it to reverse lists 14:58:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@apn-89-223-214-77.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:48 alvatar 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#scheme 14:54:20 Does anybody know something about the "how to design classes" project? I'm pretty interested in that one (I loved htdp). Is there any possibility to get any drafts or anything? 14:55:10 thesnowdog [~doug@CPE-121-209-233-6.nfcz2.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 14:56:18 -!- davazp [~user@33.Red-88-8-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:56:30 davazp [~user@33.Red-88-8-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:56:57 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:58:15 PygoscelisPapua, look here: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/vkp/HtDCH/ 15:03:36 samth: Thank you. Unfortunately I allready tried to contact Mrs. Proulx already but haven't heard anything from her. I thought maybe there was also another way ;-) 15:03:57 no, i don't think there is 15:05:22 -!- mikol [~Michael@AMarseille-753-1-10-194.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:06:03 Okey. Bad luck for me then. But I guess sooner or later there's gonna be something for the general public. 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"An unquoted symbol that is bound to a location, evaluates to the value at that location" 01:38:13 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:29 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:40 Is there a recommended Scheme implementation? :) 01:47:56 I accept subjective opinions too 01:47:58 :D 01:49:36 aFlag [~root@189.107.184.230] has joined #scheme 01:49:49 ... there's a thousand recommended Scheme implementations surely 01:50:21 hello, do you know of an email parser for scheme? I want to parse the header and email addresses 01:53:13 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 01:53:36 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.73.81] has joined #scheme 01:53:58 -!- reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:27 Symbols are data. 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