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[n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:09:41 *jcowan* unvanishes. 01:10:31 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-38-159.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:15:48 Riastradh [n=riastrad@pluto.mumble.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:51 *Riastradh* devanishes. 01:15:54 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 01:16:23 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16:28 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 01:17:54 who writes desktop guis in a non C language? except on linux, that doesn't count 01:18:23 a real help would be a good rails or django like web framework 01:19:04 that's where more exotic languages are getting a foot in the door 01:19:54 roderic, Firefox is a desktop application with GUI written in JavaScript. 01:20:02 The core is in C++, though 01:20:13 right 01:20:19 and all the other things that use xul 01:20:49 So what is this `Ruby on Rails' thing, anyway, aside from very popular? 01:21:05 *jcowan* wrote desktop GUIs in Actors back on Windows 2.0 01:21:14 (a Smalltalk dialect) 01:21:41 And lots of people write them in Visual Basic 01:21:48 roderic, by the way, on a network such as Freenode, saying `except on Linux' is making a pretty immense exception. 01:21:58 Riastradh: was that not rhetorical? 01:22:28 Sorry, maybe my rhetorometre needs recalibration. 01:22:37 Riastradh: if we're talking about popularity though, most people aren't using linux 01:23:44 -!- flonklebonkle [n=nobody@p5B039BD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:23:54 Are we talking about popularity? I just wandered in. 01:23:56 or rather 01:23:57 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:24:13 most people aren't selling linux targetted products or making linux targeted guis 01:24:20 scratch the first part 01:26:16 i was replying to a comment about scheme attracting more gui programmers 01:26:53 and my thought was that if we want guis written in scheme, we'd want to focus on web apps 01:27:01 Who is `we'? 01:27:19 the scheme community I guess? anyone interested in that? 01:27:21 Are we writing interesting code to solve interesting problems? 01:27:42 some of us are? 01:29:52 Ruby on Rails, Riastradh, is a web programming framework whose special character (other than being written in Ruby, which is a sort of Smalltalk-ized Perl) is that it depends on conventions to associate web requests with database actions rather than complex configuration. 01:29:52 I love false dichotomies. 01:30:03 reprore [n=reprore@133.11.106.2] has joined #scheme 01:30:11 brx_ [n=brx@manz-4d0034d3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 01:31:35 django and rails are well designed and don't require a lot of setup, so developers can get into the design and code of their own site 01:31:35 -!- reprore [n=reprore@133.11.106.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:31:35 instead of dealing with configuring and learning the crap APIs of the usual unix / java turds 01:31:35 Django, I should add, is more or less Python on Rails, or Rails on Python, or Ruby on Rails with Python, although it predates Ruby on Rails. 01:32:15 I thought Django was a well-known two-fingered Belgian chap. 01:32:31 lol 01:32:35 he was belgian? 01:32:49 it was named after him anyway 01:33:18 if we're thinking of the same guy 01:33:21 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 01:33:25 and, we are 01:33:56 and, I think the vast majority of the gui programming that's being done in unusual languages is being done with frameworks like these. 01:34:28 when people do native guis, they usually just use the native apis, which are gonna be in C like languages 01:34:33 or qt, which is C++ 01:34:57 In any case, Django Reinhardt had eight functioning fingers and two partly paralyzed ones, which he could still use to play chords. 01:35:03 with some bindings in various states of usability that most people don't use.. 01:35:44 You are right, jcowan. I meant `two-fingered on his left hand, ignoring the thumb'. 01:36:02 Or `having only two fingers to operate a fret board'. 01:41:00 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 01:41:00 01:41:00 -!- names: ccl-logbot brx_ johnnowak Riastradh jcowan davazp karlw jonrafkind bokr jmcphers Khisanth synx sepult chops mosno r0bby snorble CaptainMorgan Pepe_ kilimanjaro mreggen mejja antoszka SvekloB MononcQc dmoerner kssreeram foof` subversus leppie|work Lemonator Nshag mabes MichaelRaskin TR2N certainty Adrinael j0ni zbigniew rmrfchik mbishop mquin jimrees XLT jyujin nasloc__ Mr_Awesome tabe```` sjamaan tizoc Leonidas rdd` C-Keen incwolf roderic 01:41:00 -!- names: offby1 stepnem rudybot kencausey Axioplase_ ve tessier bzzbzz dlouhy mornfall gnomon makmanalp ineiros chandler rotty ada2358 guenthr_ elly qebab mrd`_ acieroid joast yosafbridge emma tarbo eldragon eli m811 tjafk brx bgs100 untouchable blackened` KernelJ davids rgrau copumpkin incubot Penth sstrickl alaricsp sladegen rstandy` borism clog eno Fufie specbot minion lisppaste underspecified Kusanagi xwl_ ray wastrel samth_away ski tltstc hosh 01:41:00 -!- names: linas jay-mccarthy klutometis tmitt felipe ivenkys nicktastic erg Armageddon00 kazzmir elf aehrisch saccade cmatei tomaw_ drewfer ecraven dfeuer z0d poe duncanm _Jordan_ peddie rapacity zbrown dmpk2k 01:42:11 -!- brx [n=brx@manz-4d003235.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:43:51 -!- brx_ is now known as brx 01:54:31 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 01:54:31 01:54:31 -!- names: ccl-logbot jeapostrophe brx johnnowak Riastradh jcowan davazp karlw jonrafkind bokr jmcphers Khisanth synx sepult chops mosno r0bby snorble CaptainMorgan Pepe_ kilimanjaro mreggen mejja antoszka SvekloB MononcQc dmoerner kssreeram foof` subversus leppie|work Lemonator Nshag mabes MichaelRaskin TR2N certainty Adrinael j0ni zbigniew rmrfchik mbishop mquin jimrees XLT jyujin nasloc__ Mr_Awesome tabe```` sjamaan tizoc Leonidas rdd` C-Keen incwolf 01:54:31 -!- names: roderic offby1 stepnem rudybot kencausey Axioplase_ ve tessier bzzbzz dlouhy mornfall gnomon makmanalp ineiros chandler rotty ada2358 guenthr_ elly qebab mrd`_ acieroid joast yosafbridge emma tarbo eldragon eli m811 tjafk bgs100 untouchable blackened` KernelJ davids rgrau copumpkin incubot Penth sstrickl alaricsp sladegen rstandy` borism clog eno Fufie specbot minion lisppaste Kusanagi xwl_ ray wastrel samth_away ski tltstc hosh linas jay-mccarthy 01:54:31 -!- names: klutometis tmitt felipe ivenkys nicktastic erg Armageddon00 kazzmir elf aehrisch saccade cmatei tomaw_ drewfer ecraven dfeuer z0d poe duncanm _Jordan_ peddie rapacity zbrown dmpk2k 02:00:10 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 02:02:14 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["DOWNLOADING LATEST VERSION OF THE INTERNET"] 02:02:37 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:03:58 So what exciting problems are you folks all so busy solving with Scheme programs that you're keeping silent here? 02:05:08 Riastradh, none, i'm lurking in #scheme because i discovered HTDP (via StackOverflow) 02:06:17 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:20 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 02:08:05 -!- untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 02:13:13 Me, silent? I'm usually only silent when I'm not here. 02:13:31 Oh, is it you whom the snoring is coming from, then? 02:13:43 Someone in the vicinity is snoring very noisily! 02:14:33 *mejja* recommends a proxy mine 02:14:47 What proxy yours do you recommend? 02:15:14 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:18:13 I have been spending time thinking about Gopher, and I reluctantly conclude that its time has passed. 02:19:09 The downfall not being the small number of gopher servers (aka finger, whois, and HTTP 0.9 servers, all of which use essentially the same protocol), 02:19:38 but the arrival of multi-session browsers, which my design for self-tracking Gopher cannot cope with. 02:20:13 Multi-session browsers? Self-tracking Gopher? 02:20:51 jcowan: Debugging macros in chibi should be a lot easier now, as the error reporting is improved and there's a (chibi macroexpand) module. 02:21:17 -!- foof` is now known as goog 02:21:20 -!- goog is now known as foof 02:22:32 Oooh, cool. 02:22:36 *jcowan* updates his chibi 02:23:43 Just use byte streams and sockets, forget HTTP and Gopher. 02:24:37 foof: arrgh 02:25:02 ? 02:25:02 You need to change "make install" to use install rather than just copying stuff, which makes them owned by root. 02:25:03 Hmm, this is losing pretty badly. 02:25:13 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@pluto.mumble.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:25:43 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 02:27:43 OK... I've never actually run "make install" myself :) 02:28:29 My idea was to write a local Gopher proxy which would keep track of the user's wanderings through gopherspace, but that's hard to do when the user is operating from multiple windows or tabs. 02:30:37 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:30:43 -!- karlw [i=17389@tsunami.OCF.Berkeley.EDU] has left #scheme 02:31:08 Gopher being, like HTTP 1.x, a stateless protocol, maintenance of state can only be done by extremely defeasible inference. 02:31:33 For another particular, if you retrieve a gopher page through the proxy, then go off and look at other pages on the Web, not through the proxy, 02:32:12 then return to gopherspace, a factitious link will be created from the exit point to the entry point, as the proxy doesn't see any intervening traversals. 02:32:57 If the link did not exist in gopherspace itself, it could be suppressed, but if it did exist, it would be marked as traversed when no such traversal had actually happened. 02:34:47 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:35:01 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 02:36:11 foof: What does "include-shared" mean? 02:37:16 underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 02:37:17 Includes a dynamic library. 02:37:19 Wild guess: in the context of a DEFINE-MODULE form, (INCLUDE-SHARED ) means that the module requires that a shared object at be loaded. 02:37:54 .$(SO) to be precise 02:38:25 Ah. Not really an INCLUDE, then. 02:39:14 There's no way to INCLUDE directly at top level? 02:39:59 davazp` [n=user@146.Red-79-154-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 02:40:11 In the body of the module? No, doesn't seem useful. 02:40:11 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:40:42 -!- davazp [n=user@106.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:41:18 (define table (include "table.scm")) 02:41:50 hmmm... 02:42:04 What happens if table.scm has more than one form? 02:42:27 Presumably table would be the last form. 02:42:35 What happen to the other forms? 02:42:37 Or the first, or multiple values. I care not. 02:43:28 So that INCLUDE form expands to an expression whose values are the values of all the expressions in table.scm? What happens if table.scm has definitions in it? 02:43:32 I would assume INCLUDE expands to BEGIN. 02:44:05 BEGIN seems a fair idea to me. 02:44:55 OK. So why is table.scm in a separate file; or, why doesn't it just contain the form (define table ...), and be included by (include "table") in the module description? 02:45:27 It's in a separate file because, let's say, it's 10x larger than the code that requires it. 02:45:47 SvekloB_ [n=sveklo@cs181043239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 02:45:55 It isn't in the form of a define because that would pollute the identifier space of anyone who included it. 02:46:04 Why would anyone else include it? 02:46:05 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:46:28 Because it is in some sense shared data. perhaps it is an a-list mapping language codes to language names. 02:46:43 So why isn't there just a module exporting a binding for that alist? 02:46:43 It might well be under different change or access control from those who wish to use it. 02:47:17 A fair answer. 02:47:48 I thought I was asking questions, not asking answers? 02:48:10 "Why does a Jew always answer a question with a question?" 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Like only matching "mod:" on the "mod:func" keyword. 04:17:15 There's possibly a Scheme library where those identifiers are used, though the @ prefix isn't portable R5RS and the _ separator is ugly. 04:19:48 TR2N, if by `Scheme macros', you mean SYNTAX-RULES, no; if by `Scheme macros', you mean the macro system used in your favourite Scheme system, possibly. 04:22:06 Yes, I was refering to the R5RS SYNTAX-RULES method. Does MIT Scheme support it ? 04:22:42 In MIT Scheme, you can use an explicit renaming macro, a syntactic closures macro, or a reversed syntactic closures macro, but they look very different from SYNTAX-RULES. 04:23:50 Thanks. I'll give it a look. 04:24:20 But first, why do you want to do this at all? 04:24:57 That is, what is the problem you are trying to solve, of which you believe literally matching the prefix of a name to be a subproblem? 04:31:07 I was imagining a way of creating new syntatic keywords in a distributed way so that you would not need to know all the info at the top level. But I'm new to macros, so I'll try to see if this makes any sense. 04:33:46 Consider using the usual environment structure for that -- that way, any mechanism for managing the top-level lexical bindings in a program will apply equally well to your syntactic keywords. 04:34:21 See for an example of doing this: foof-loop iterators, such as IN-LIST and IN-VECTOR, are implemented as macros themselves, although you don't ever invoke them directly. 04:34:51 (documentation in foof-loop.txt) 04:36:32 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:38:04 Thanks Riastradh. I'm reading it now. 04:44:21 Just a side question: is there a way of knowing if a variable is bound in MIT Scheme without triggering an "unbound variable" error ? Something like (defined? var) 04:46:08 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 04:47:02 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:47:03 As an interactive operation, you can ask (environment-bound? ), where is usually the value of (nearest-repl/environment). (Using this non-interactively is usually a mistake.) 04:49:54 Ah, great. That's finally solves it. 04:54:31 -!- kssreeram [n=kssreera@122.174.70.232] has quit [] 04:56:17 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 05:20:48 -!- jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21:25 jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 05:22:58 -!- KernelJ is now known as ColonelJ 05:27:28 -!- flonklebonkle [n=nobody@p5B03B6AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:30:47 -!- brx [n=brx@manz-4d0034d3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:31:42 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 05:51:54 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 05:57:25 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:58:53 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 05:59:14 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:15:32 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 06:15:52 underspecified_ [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-222.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:16:24 -!- mosno [n=mosno@unaffiliated/mosno] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:17:18 -!- Lemonator [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:19:52 Lemonator [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 06:21:13 -!- SvekloB_ [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit ["Leaving..."] 06:24:42 copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:35:22 -!- underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:35:22 -!- underspecified_ is now known as underspecified 06:44:48 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 06:52:51 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:01:07 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:08:23 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 07:15:26 BW^- [i=Miranda@81-233-147-20-no124.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #scheme 07:34:45 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 08:00:37 -!- BW^- [i=Miranda@81-233-147-20-no124.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 08:08:17 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:10:23 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:10:34 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-222.naist.jp] has quit [] 08:11:33 underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 08:11:34 Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #scheme 08:12:07 ASau [n=user@host182-231-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #scheme 08:16:33 incubot: the allegretto of beethoven's seventh is austere, sublime, erhaben; almost alien, uncanny, transcendent 08:16:37 I'd rather have a coherent, austere language than a jumble of libraries 08:17:19 what was that original quote in reference to? 08:20:02 maybe a scheme vs. python argument? 08:24:55 scheme vs most things, really 08:26:10 mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 08:27:57 including scheme ;) 08:28:40 Although libraries are orthogonal. I want a coherent, austere language _with_ a ton of libraries. 08:35:11 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 08:35:52 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 08:44:46 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 08:55:57 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:57:27 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:59:58 -!- dmpk2k [n=dmpk2k@static-64-115-4-131.isp.broadviewnet.net] has quit [zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:59:58 -!- zbrown [n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown] has quit [zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 09:00:00 dmpk2k [n=dmpk2k@static-64-115-4-131.isp.broadviewnet.net] has joined #scheme 09:00:08 zbrown [n=suifur@rufius.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 09:04:16 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 09:05:54 Beethoven wrote some catchy tunes, but if you really want transcendent you have to listen to 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There's kind of a presumption that what he's pasting is supposed to be offensive, but I think he may be missing the mark, there. 16:40:56 it is fishing for attention 16:41:13 bbl 16:41:46 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:44:52 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 16:45:18 mejja, can you reproduce the problem that Arthur Gleckler and Derrell Piper reported on the list? 17:56:56 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 17:56:56 17:56:56 -!- names: ccl-logbot Foofie sepult tarbo ASau`` ColonelJ eno__ proq` cornucopic ravenex tjafk Edico underspecified nothingHappens CaptainMorgan jonrafkind yosafbridge Nshag Daemmerung araujo tomaw_ langmartin saccade_ Khisanth m811_ jlongster r0bby_ acieroid mrd` trekdanne Pepe_ emma subversus TR2N sladegen visof masm1 sstrickl blackened` leppie bweaver rstandy leppie|work certainty Adrinael j0ni zbigniew rmrfchik XTL jyujin nasloc__ Mr_Awesome tabe```` 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gnomon dlouhy elly eli ray DerGuteMoritz certainty Adrinael j0ni zbigniew rmrfchik XTL Mr_Awesome tabe```` sjamaan tizoc Leonidas tmitt nicktastic erg aehrisch ecraven duncanm nowhere_man zbrown ineiros emma hosh incubot mornfall reid02 lisppaste dmpk2k xwl_ offby1 jyujin yosafbridge araujo tomaw_ Khisanth m811_ mrd` Pepe_ mbishop joast specbot minion wastrel samth_away ski klutometis 19:48:12 -!- names: rapacity peddie _Jordan_ z0d dfeuer drewfer saccade elf Armageddon00 jay-mccarthy linas brx_ sad0ur qebab C-Keen incwolf roderic stepnem kencausey Axioplase_ ve tessier 19:48:26 snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 19:49:18 Telnet expects CRLF as an end of line, typically. 19:50:15 Is this a MUD? 19:50:20 acieroid [n=acieroid@ks23738.kimsufi.com] has joined #scheme 19:51:45 more like a MU knowledge base without a good query engine 19:52:05 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 19:52:05 tjafk [n=timj@e176195193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined 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assignment contains set-car! and I get an unbound identifier error when I evaluate the assignment, and there is no mention anywhere about this issue 03:27:37 huffingtonz: Try pretty big mode? 03:27:40 You should probably be using the R5RS language in that case. Also, this would be a good issue to raise with your professor. 03:27:57 r2q2: The "pretty big" language is deprecated. 03:28:10 r2q2: Pretty Big didn't work for me 03:28:25 chandler: Oh, I thought it was just implemented on top of r5rs mode nevermind. 03:28:45 huffingtonz: Using that module will let you mutate pairs created by `mcons', but not those created by `cons'. 03:29:31 specbot: r5rs load 03:29:32 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_630 03:29:33 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/5vvuxd 03:29:38 chandler: thanks, choosing R5RS made it work 03:29:52 hrm specbot has a wrong link 03:30:47 works for me 03:30:58 and the tinyurl from rudybot is the same 03:33:22 worksformetoo 03:33:41 pknodle [n=pknodle@pool-98-110-175-36.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:48 Points to systeminterface, which has LOAD. 03:34:20 Sometimes I wish plt had better compatibility with itself from previous releases. 03:34:26 Many browsers can't do anchors correctly anymore. 03:39:07 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@65.222.72.3] has joined #scheme 03:40:55 perdix [n=perdix@f055052058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:48:06 -!- perdix [n=perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit ["A cow. 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Try "rudybot: help". 06:07:26 eli: eh? 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Seems that installing spells is somewhat tricky. 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joined #scheme 23:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler!! 23:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler!!! 23:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler!!!! 23:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler!!!!! 23:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:39 cockmongler!!!!!!kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:41 cockmongler!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:44 cockmongler!!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:46 cockmongler!!!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:49 cockmongler!!!!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:52 cockmongler!!!!!!kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:54 cockmongler!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:57 cockmongler!!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is a 23:56:59 cockmongler!!!! kilimanjaro is a cockmongler! kilimanjaro is 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lisp and scheme. In your opinion, makes difference start to study with one or other? (excuse my bad English, I'm using google translator) 16:57:16 reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 skampler [n=sk@unaffiliated/skampler] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 alexsuraci [n=Alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 tizoc [n=user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 tabe```` [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 zbigniew [n=zb@3e8.org] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 16:57:16 certainty [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 16:58:57 Hi sicka. Scheme is simpler than Common Lisp, so I'd recommend starting with it. 16:59:34 Then sticking to it. :-) 16:59:56 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit ["Leaving..."] 17:00:53 sicka: PLT scheme is designed for new users 17:03:08 Hmm. I found some video-lessons from the MIT scheme. I started to watch them, but when they went to a terminal, did not work. Then I discovered lisp was not so generic. 17:04:03 Thanks a lot! 17:07:03 You're welcome. If you pick scheme, take a look at the links from this channel topic. There's a bunch of stuff there. 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rudybot: doc define-runtime-path 16:33:58 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/Filesystem.html#(form._((lib._scheme%2Fruntime-path..ss)._define-runtime-path)) 16:34:03 :) I'm trying to add a location to MzScheme's lib search path. 16:34:08 never done that :-| 16:34:20 And, I've used a few combinations - with build-path and with just a string in as parameter. 16:34:31 and I always seem to get "cannot determine source" 16:35:20 elderK: I've either never used that, or so long ago that I can't remember. 16:35:31 if you have a tiny snippet of code that demonstrates the problem, paste it 16:37:25 elderK, I can maybe help 16:37:26 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:38:09 -!- reid02 [n=reid02@99.254.98.18] has quit ["Coyote finally caught me"] 16:38:19 elderK, you want to look for `current-library-collection-paths' 16:38:24 rudybot, doc current-library-collection-paths 16:38:25 samth: your sandbox is ready 16:38:25 samth: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/collects.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._current-library-collection-paths)) 16:38:31 offby1: http://paste.lisp.org/display/92180#4 16:38:44 -!- x2cast [n=alvaro@102.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:38:44 Thank you, samth 16:39:38 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:39:47 ha! that's certainly simple 16:40:24 heh, I get the same problem 16:40:42 :) 16:41:09 I'm doing this from the repl; perhaps I need to put the code in a file ... 16:41:21 aye 16:41:27 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 16:42:12 x2cast [n=alvaro@230.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 16:42:18 elderK, I'm not sure how to construct windows paths, but that might be the problem 16:42:19 yeah, it seems to work in a file 16:42:35 samth: I got the same problem on *nix, using a perfectly Unixoid path 16:42:43 rudybot: eval (build-path "/" "tmp") 16:42:44 *offby1: ; Value: # 16:42:58 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@host-64-179-113-99.col.choiceone.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:02 rudybot: eval (define-runtime-path frotz (build-path "/" "tmp")) 16:43:02 *offby1: error: cleanse-path: `exists' access denied for ../collects 16:43:13 ah, see, it's trying to look at the file system 16:44:54 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@vpn170.its.manchester.ac.uk] has quit [] 16:45:09 drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:46:21 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-reqkgiwsayqghnqa] has joined #scheme 16:46:21 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:46:25 I've been using paths taht exist 16:46:33 c:\foo\bar actually was there :) 16:47:54 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:47:56 -!- sstrickl 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every feature that _does_ differ, does so for a good reason 16:57:22 `define-runtime-path' certainly depends on being used from the repl or from a file -- in the latter case the path can be relative to the file. 16:57:58 *hellyeah* so may be scheme is written in c :D 16:58:01 eli: how would you say, add a directory to the library search paths? 16:58:20 hellyeah: there /are/ schemes written in C. But, Scheme itself, was originally written in Lisp. 16:58:23 iirc 16:58:46 Understandably, C didn't exist when Scheme was first written 16:59:34 elderK: That can be a little tricky. 16:59:35 Yup :) 17:00:08 hmm 17:00:08 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:00:18 One thing to keep in mind is that if you're trying to set the paths to where the PLT collections are, then you can't do that in scheme because you won't be able to start it. 17:00:27 wonder are there some place to tell history of drscheme development 17:00:48 If you're deathly curious to see a scheme implemented in C, there is tinyscheme 17:00:58 no no 17:01:03 Another thing is doing that from a file that has a `require' -- these are expanded before the file is executed, so you won't be able to require something that depends on a path that you set at runtime. 17:01:08 i study for impelementation AST in c 17:01:22 it seems it is similar implementation style 17:01:35 both has similar implementation style 17:01:40 i wonder because of that 17:01:50 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:02:05 hellyeah: http://download.plt-scheme.org/chronology/ documents (briefly) most of the history. 17:02:06 The main difference is that in C it's painful, while in Scheme it's painless 17:03:00 eheheh 17:03:03 :d 17:03:20 why s that 17:03:35 i have lots of painful moment with scheme :D 17:04:11 thanks eli 17:04:32 -!- elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-127.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:04:50 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:05:18 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:06:36 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-100-207-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:10:09 bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has 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[n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:01:41 -!- Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:05:38 -!- bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:42 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:21:50 -!- splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 15:29:01 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:32:50 Did I imagine it, or does PLT scheme have a function like srfi-1's "circular-list" built in (i.e., in the "scheme" module)? 15:34:35 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit ["b*Gr "] 15:40:53 offby1: There is shared. 15:41:46 (shared ([a (cons 1 a)]) a) returns '#1=(a . #1#) 15:43:36 Actually '#1=(1 . #1#), sorry. I don't know if it is like circular-list. 15:47:07 -!- ASau` [n=user@77.246.231.86] has quit ["off"] 15:47:47 ASau` [n=user@77.246.231.86] has joined #scheme 15:48:13 oho 15:48:15 thanks 15:48:17 rudybot: doc shared 15:48:17 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/shared.html#(form._((lib._scheme%2Fshared..ss)._shared)) 15:49:23 hmm, that's not quite what I was thinking of, although of course it could be used to make a circular list. Ditto make-reader-graph and friends 15:49:32 guess I must indeed have imagined it 15:52:01 rudybot: eval (define (circular-list . xs) (shared ([l (append xs l)]) l)) 15:52:02 eli: your "http://tmp.barzilay.org/x" sandbox is ready 15:52:11 rudybot: eval (circular-list 1 2 3 4) 15:52:11 eli: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: shared in module: 'page 15:52:20 rudybot: init scheme 15:52:21 eli: your scheme sandbox is ready 15:52:23 rudybot: eval (define (circular-list . xs) (shared ([l (append xs l)]) l)) 15:52:24 lol 15:52:25 rudybot: eval (circular-list 1 2 3 4) 15:52:25 eli: ; Value: #0=(1 2 3 4 . #0#) 15:53:07 offby1: and `make-reader-graph' is the primitive functionality that is used to make such things. 15:53:45 Ooh. Why haven't I been using this rudybot doc command? 15:54:07 rudybot: apropos reader-gr 15:54:08 eli: matches: make-reader-graph. 15:54:16 There's a bunch of them. 15:54:44 rudybot: help 15:54:44 chandler: help [], version, quote, source, seen , uptime, t8 ..., init [], eval ..., give ..., apropos ..., desc , doc , later "tell" ... 15:56:11 rudybot: help me! 15:56:11 leppie: help [], version, quote, source, seen , uptime, t8 ..., init [], eval ..., give ..., apropos ..., desc , doc , later "tell" ... 15:56:27 Is it possible to search in a particular manual - for instance, to find the reference for a particular procedure in R6RS? 15:56:33 rudybot: doc make-bytevector 15:56:34 chandler: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: rnrs/bytevectors-6 15:56:40 :-( 15:57:15 rudybot: (require rnrs/bytevectors-6) 15:57:16 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 15:57:19 rudybot: eval (require rnrs/bytevectors-6) 15:57:27 Oh, gee. I'm not the only one who forgets the `eval'. 15:57:31 rudybot: doc make-bytevector 15:57:32 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/r6rs-lib-std/r6rs-lib-Z-H-3.html#node_idx_82 15:57:34 chandler: :) 15:57:40 I should really fix that 15:57:48 copumpkin_ [n=copumpki@94.162.2.87] has joined #scheme 15:58:58 chandler: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/search/, and use a query like "foo M:rs" 15:59:16 Then click the "[?]" to see more. 15:59:18 incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:59:38 eli: Is it possible to do that through the rudybot `doc' command? 16:00:04 I don't think so. 16:00:56 But in any case, there's no way to do the actual search in scheme, only to get it to open a browser with the search (for example, if you do (help "something")). 16:01:09 Oh. 16:01:12 If there was, then that would mean two copies of the same search code. 16:01:21 One in Scheme and one in JS. 16:02:56 *eli* curses comcast 16:03:08 But you could construct something yourself, for example: 16:03:43 rudybot: eval (require (prefix-in 6: make-bytevector)) 16:03:43 eli: error: eval:1:23: make-bytevector: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found: "make-bytevector" in any of: (#) in: make-bytevector 16:03:52 rudybot: eval (require (prefix-in 6: r6rs)) 16:03:54 mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 16:04:03 And then use (help 6:make-bytevector) 16:04:15 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@94.163.67.240] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:04:16 -!- copumpkin_ is now known as copumpkin 16:04:18 (Or doc in rudybot, as offby1 did.) 16:06:16 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:08:34 generate the JS from scheme! 16:08:36 *offby1* ducks 16:09:37 Not *that* code. 16:10:10 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:10:21 -!- incwolf_ [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:15:29 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:21:34 lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:21:38 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:24:56 visof [n=visof@41.238.235.45] has joined #scheme 16:26:31 ecomba [n=ecomba@49.Red-79-148-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:26:36 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:28:49 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 16:28:55 -!- ecomba [n=ecomba@49.Red-79-148-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:18 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.110.136] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:32:58 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 16:36:23 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.235.45] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:45:46 ecomba [n=ecomba@49.Red-79-148-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:45:56 -!- ecomba [n=ecomba@49.Red-79-148-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:46:50 -!- schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:48:01 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:48:47 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 16:52:33 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has left #scheme 16:55:48 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 16:56:13 Fenrir_ [n=Dezlagra@unaffiliated/dezlagrate] has joined #scheme 16:56:23 -!- Fenrir_ [n=Dezlagra@unaffiliated/dezlagrate] has left #scheme 16:56:31 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:05:21 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4377F.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 17:05:39 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme