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to extend the little we have in R6RS 14:37:18 I agree. Mosh has (mosh file) which is almost compatible with Ypsilon's file interface. 14:37:27 http://mosh.monaos.org/files/lib/mosh/file-ss.html 14:37:32 just the basic coomands like delete, exists, type, timestamps 14:37:38 lists 14:37:42 like FTP 14:38:23 i wouldnt be surprised if most interfaces look 90% the same already :p 14:38:45 https://ironscheme.svn.codeplex.com/svn/IronScheme/IronScheme.Console/ironscheme/files.sls 14:38:47 -rudybot_:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yfyoeba 14:39:22 rename, I prefer to use 'move' 14:40:53 man I really need to get my documentation system up! 14:41:04 higepon685: yours looks nice :) 14:41:26 I dont have anywhere to host it though :( 14:41:53 If you have a plan to suggest a file system interface, see http://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/schemexref.cgi?Concept:FileSystem . 14:42:20 thanks 14:42:25 Thanks, I use http://www.naturaldocs.org/ . 14:42:43 There are a few documentation tools which can handle Lisp or Scheme. 14:43:14 I have most of mine done, I just actually need to start typing... 14:43:23 :P 14:43:56 currently it just liek a reflective browser, so for procedures, I can show all the forms, but thats about it 14:44:09 all web page driven 14:44:18 I think that is part why I dont wanna do it 14:46:22 it's meant to be a wiki of sorts too, so if I can find a free host for IronScheme then at least my 2.4 users could in theory contribute :p 14:48:12 :D > in theory 14:48:48 for naming, I pretty much stick to what is used in .NET, just easier to use, and I can bet the MS guys thought long and hard about names, so I try not go that road again 14:49:36 I have this unfinished functionality that a user wants for months now, and all that is stopping it, is me chosen appropiate 'names' for the macro 14:50:17 unfortunately, the exact 2 used in .NET, cantbe used in R6RS, nl += and -= , so i'm like really stuck what I can substitute it with 14:50:52 -!- samth_ is now known as samth 14:51:01 the context is for attaching and detaching events 14:51:22 I want to stick to 2 chars at most (for a 'shorthand' library) 14:51:31 Umm. 14:52:04 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:52:05 there are alternative keywords in .NET, nl 'add' and 'remove' was thinking that could maybe be ok 14:52:46 ejs2 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 14:54:13 other considerations now are: e+ and e- but that just looks totally silly, I want to exclude Unicode too (although that might have been nice if it actually worked on console interface .NET provides on Windows) 14:54:45 I have considered << and >> to 14:54:55 or maybe <= and => ? 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15:45:11 [<------- this much -------->] 15:45:11 tobetchi [n=tobetchi@p296ba7.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:46:20 It's probably more similar to Common Lisp 15:46:38 Jafet, I see 15:46:57 It has archaic scoping rules, though 15:47:06 laurus: both have parentheses, can't be THAT difference 15:47:18 I wanted to read "The Little Schemer" to learn Scheme and Lisp 15:47:30 Jafet, it's not archaic. plenty of "modern" programming languages have the same. 15:47:31 All I really want to be able to do in Emacs is edit my .emacs file :p Not do any serious programming 15:47:46 So I was wondering if knowing Scheme would be enough to do basic modifications to configs in Emacs 15:47:54 shell scripts, for instance 15:48:33 You don't even need to know any lisp to "do basic modifications" to .emacs 15:48:47 Just prefix application and quoting 15:49:13 Alright :) 15:49:19 Scheme it is then! ;) 15:50:17 Thanks Jafet. 15:50:19 -!- laurus [n=laurus@adsl-71-156-15-164.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 15:51:37 Fare, wrong art thee! 15:51:58 there is no such thing as wrong art 15:52:16 all art is right. 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afternoon 16:10:13 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 16:16:31 hello. 16:17:32 mejja annotated #91161 "Climate Scheme" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91161#2 16:22:10 x2cast [n=alvaro@195.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 16:22:14 hi! 16:23:16 could anyone point me to a web where R6RS is explained (besides the specification), specially differences between previous standards? 16:23:38 http://www.r6rs.org/ 16:24:44 bdiff r5rs.pdf r6rs.pdf 16:25:31 those are the specifications, right? 16:25:35 thanks :) 16:26:08 ekh, no/yes, i was just joking to make a binary diff of those two files... 16:26:27 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 16:26:52 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 16:26:57 library part being it's own file is obvious difference. 16:27:01 sladegen: mmhmm yes, I meant the r6rs.org page ;) 16:27:22 *sladegen* is not mejja. 16:27:27 x2cast: I don't know such a document. Maybe the arguments from the ones voting against r6rs (http://www.r6rs.org/ratification/results.html) provide some explanation. 16:28:00 ok, I'll take a loof at that 16:28:13 *mejja* is not sladegen 16:28:22 no point in using r6rs... stick to r5rs until r7rs comes ;/ 16:29:01 sladegen: ok, and why is that? 16:29:12 why limit yourself to couple of scheme implementations when you can stick to one. 16:29:16 i don't think r7rs will be better though 16:29:31 sladegen: uh? 16:29:56 x2cast: please don't take me too seriously. 16:30:53 rotty: i'm just saying that r6rs hasn't been exactly embraced. 16:31:15 not by implementors, no 16:31:22 ok 16:31:40 so maybe you can briefly tell me the main points it changes ;) 16:31:51 module system 16:32:10 syntax-case (procedural macros) 16:32:23 utf-8 16:32:23 a useful `eval' 16:32:24 well that last thing is interesting 16:32:33 there is no `eval in R5Rs? 16:32:44 erm unicode i.e. 16:33:04 a 3x boost in the specification size. 16:33:38 x2cast: there is, but it's crippled, since you cannot specify (portably) the environment it operates in, except for `scheme-report-environment' & friends 16:34:00 this could be put under "module system", though 16:34:50 then R6RS seems interesting to me :) 16:34:52 records, i/o stuff; condition system, too? 16:35:05 very 16:35:23 I'm always atracted to new features ;) 16:36:36 GTK, Qt, FLTK, Ciro, OpenGL and ncurses, slang and ANSI escapes support (basic -- to be completed by r9rs) 16:36:45 Cairo* 16:36:48 snearch [n=olaf@g225055198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 16:37:51 mario-goulart: sorry, I think I didn't understand you 16:38:20 x2cast: it's a silly joke. :) 16:40:57 s/atracted/distracted 16:41:04 *sladegen* pleads loudly for scheme on the go. 16:42:19 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 16:42:47 -!- snearch [n=olaf@g225055198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:43:08 well, I'm concerned mostly about the possibility to make macros for changing code at runtime 16:43:13 -!- ejs [n=eugen@27-98-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:43:37 x2cast: macros don't change code a runtime per definition 16:43:51 I read some where that you can do that with R6RS with normal syntax 16:44:07 please, excuse my ignorance, I'm quite new to scheme :) 16:44:42 x2cast: macros expand code before it is evaluated (i.e. before runtime) 16:44:50 x2cast: perhaps you should get familiar with an implementation then. just pick one and come back in a week :) 16:45:36 wingo: yes, but for complicated reasons I need to know this before I work more with scheme 16:46:04 snearch_ [n=olaf@g225055198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 16:47:02 x2cast: in what kind of macros are you interested in? would syntax-rules suffice? 16:47:55 rotty: I'm interested in being able to change parts of a function at runtime 16:48:09 I'll start just changing an operation to another 16:48:30 It's for some Genetic Programming experiments 16:49:09 use sh it has eval, too ;) 16:49:35 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:49:42 and javascript 16:49:56 but I like lisp/scheme more, and I'm learning it now 16:51:03 x2cast: good choice. 16:51:07 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [] 16:51:49 few schemes will let you do what you are trying to do, x2cast. 16:52:11 x2cast: as a next step, you should consider wingo's suggestion to pick an implementation. 16:52:19 I picked gambit 16:52:31 also because I'm interested in Termite 16:52:34 ok 16:52:36 but that's another topic 16:53:12 I know that you can do what I want to do in Lisp, but I'd like to use scheme 16:53:55 x2cast: there's also a termite port for chicken. 16:54:05 x2cast: you could also help me improve chicken's termite egg :) 16:54:33 C-Keen: I need to learn more to do that I guess :) 16:54:56 there is lisp syntax for erlang, so many toys so few lifes. 16:55:01 x2cast: if you want to use termite right now, use gambit 16:55:22 C-Keen: I'm not in a hurry for the Termite thing 16:55:33 C-Keen: is Chicken embadable? 16:55:42 embedable 16:55:50 x2cast: yes it is 16:56:02 nice, nice 16:56:12 then it might be an option too 16:56:14 x2cast: it is a scheme to c compiler 16:56:24 oh, then is just like gambit-c 16:57:04 well, they differ enough to make porting not that easy :) 16:57:09 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 16:57:15 I see 16:57:45 x2cast: both gambit and chicken compile from Scheme to C, you are right. 16:58:09 C-Keen: maybe you can answer me to the question if I can change a function at runtime? :) 16:58:44 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 16:58:52 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 16:59:18 x2cast: gambit can do that, chicken cannot IIRC. You cannot pass the current environment to its load procedure I think 16:59:28 just rebind it in your pseudo-environment. 16:59:29 or eval 16:59:52 mario-goulart may know better 17:00:13 if you want to change a function's code at runtime, write your own eval. it's not that hard. if you have a good implementation, it won't be that slow. 17:00:23 x2cast: maybe you can do what you want by using this: http://chicken.wiki.br/man/4/Unit%20lolevel#extending-procedures-with-data 17:00:41 it's a rather important thing for me :) 17:00:47 mario-goulart: thanks 17:01:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity#Homoiconicity_in_Lisp 17:02:02 here there is an example, very close to what I want to do, but in Lisp 17:02:33 I don't really like the way they are doing, and the syntax, but it can be done at least 17:03:01 x2cast: well there is (read) and (eval) in scheme too, I am not sure what you want to do 17:04:00 x2cast: and the example on that page will work in scheme too 17:04:44 I want to arbitrary functions that can be modified at runtime, so I could change an operation in the middle of it. For example, change a * to a / 17:04:53 as weird as it might seem 17:05:29 I gotta go, bye and have fun with it! I guess your best bet is to just try it out on your favorite scheme implementation 17:06:35 :) thanks a lot C-Keen! 17:08:05 -!- poe_ is now known as poe 17:14:04 sctb [n=sctb@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 17:15:49 x2cast: the scheme48 configuration language may offer interesting facility for what you want to do: http://www.s48.org/1.8/manual/manual-Z-H-5.html#node_sec_4.7 17:17:36 NNshag: thanks. I didn't heard of Scheme48 before 17:21:21 http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aozj6rF-PmISdHdSU1duajFoLWpfRjNJSFJYeHdybWc 17:21:22 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yzgvdsh 17:21:24 NNshag: this definitely looks very nice. I'd like to find this in a more mature and active scheme 17:29:03 ejs [n=eugen@231-80-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:29:06 -!- ejs [n=eugen@231-80-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:29:35 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-46-155.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:31:26 heya leppie 17:32:48 hi wingo 17:33:26 today I must feel like ol' hans did just before he did his wife 17:33:51 i didnt wanna start a fad, so I refrained 17:33:51 geckosenator [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has joined #scheme 17:34:10 what does that mean? :) 17:34:50 in short, I was very close to having a full on fist fight in the office with a clown of a coworker (used to be teamleader) 17:35:08 ooh, bummer 17:35:39 *mario-goulart* picks the phone and starts typing 911 17:35:56 he has written just under 1800 words for our applications user manual in the last 4 months, and that is his only responsibility besides testing (which he does not really do either) 17:37:21 i asked him yesterday morning to have it ready (meaning what ever he had at that stage) that evening, nothing happened, reminded him again this morning, and then at 3pm, and then he still had nothing to show when I left at 4pm 17:37:49 so I asked him to mail me the manual so that I can go thru it, and then mail to the client, he refused... 17:38:18 then he told me to stuff myself, and that's pretty much where I exploded 17:38:50 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 17:39:21 outsource him, you'll get the same result for 20% of cost... 17:39:41 no, we would have to pay to have him outsourced 17:40:07 http://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/a8gdv/dae_get_nightmares_about_beating_their_idiotic/ 17:40:09 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ykv3res 17:41:05 he seems to actively try and delay the project in any way 17:41:32 perhaps he is double agenting. 17:41:54 search for some of my questions on stackoverflow too 17:42:18 -!- pfo [n=pfo@84.114.49.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:42:29 he estimated he could do the project alone in 6 months, its been a year with 3 of us 17:43:12 when I got there after 6 months that he started, we only had a database, and tons of copied code that did pretty much nothing 17:43:41 i should have walked out the first week... 17:44:35 incubot: help the man vent out 17:44:39 there needs to be some place to vent anger about BvE' 17:45:00 incubot: that's poor 17:45:03 BvE? 17:45:07 I am reading the pika list through the gmane news group gateway (I hadn't discovered the gateway part till today), and am wondering: Is it correct, that the last mail on the Pika list is from 2004? 17:45:17 incubot: what's BvE? 17:45:21 this is what he requested. 17:45:57 incubot: stop confusing yourself. 17:46:00 no, it's from The Ping-Pong Duet (Tutorial) by Shriram Krishnamurthi, I'll paste the section that's confusing me 17:46:36 really incubot?