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2018-01-13T01:32:46Z elly: I have an r7rs question: how on earth does one actually import foo.scm from bar.scm
2018-01-13T01:32:57Z elly: I can't figure out how to make import do what I want
2018-01-13T01:33:31Z elly: is it necessary to (load "foo.scm") and *then* import?
2018-01-13T01:35:34Z Riastradh: No load should be necessary.
2018-01-13T01:36:00Z Riastradh: Evidently the R7RS leaves it unspecified how library names get mapped to file names, or whether there is even a concept of files, but...
2018-01-13T01:36:12Z elly: yeah, I noticed that r7rs was quiet on the subject
2018-01-13T01:37:11Z Riastradh: Generally, you can _probably_ rely on the library name (foo bar) being mapped to the source file foo/bar.sls or foo/bar.scm or something.
2018-01-13T01:38:33Z Riastradh: So I'd _guess_ that if you have something like:
2018-01-13T01:38:41Z Riastradh: foo.sls:
2018-01-13T01:38:43Z elly: that doesn't seem to be the case for racket's #lang r7rs (which I guess is implemented by https://github.com/lexi-lambda/racket-r7rs)
2018-01-13T01:38:55Z Riastradh: (define-library (foo) ...)
2018-01-13T01:38:58Z Riastradh: bar.scm:
2018-01-13T01:39:00Z Riastradh: (import (foo))
2018-01-13T01:39:03Z Riastradh: ...stuff...
2018-01-13T01:39:10Z Riastradh: it might do something vaguely resembling what you expect.
2018-01-13T01:39:15Z elly: hmm, let's see!
2018-01-13T01:39:45Z Riastradh: (Caveat: I am only surmising from what I read; I have never actually tried this!)
2018-01-13T01:40:19Z elly: alas, that yields:
2018-01-13T01:40:19Z elly: $ racket -I r7rs bar.scm
2018-01-13T01:40:19Z elly: bar.scm:3:8: collection not found
2018-01-13T01:40:19Z elly:   for module path: foo
2018-01-13T01:40:42Z elly: https://bpaste.net/show/46aab6b716f4
2018-01-13T01:40:57Z Riastradh: Maybe I meant .sld, not .sls.
2018-01-13T01:41:29Z elly: .sld, .ss, and .scm all don't help :(
2018-01-13T01:43:33Z Riastradh: Dunno, I'm out of ideas.
2018-01-13T01:43:48Z Riastradh: Maybe someone in #racket would know?
2018-01-13T01:43:54Z elly: yep, I've asked there as well
2018-01-13T01:43:57Z elly: parallelism!
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2018-01-13T01:44:30Z elly: (I can't figure out how to get it to work in gauche either, though. :()
2018-01-13T01:44:32Z Riastradh: Maybe you need to specify . in some library path?
2018-01-13T01:44:46Z Riastradh: Hmm.  I'd try chibi, if you're shopping around.
2018-01-13T01:45:23Z elly: ah, I think gauche might need *load-path*
2018-01-13T01:45:57Z elly: I could try chibi - I'm not attached to any specific implementation, I just want to use r7rs
2018-01-13T01:50:33Z Riastradh: I expect chibi to have the most first-class and straightforward R7RS support.
2018-01-13T01:50:52Z elly: alright
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2018-01-13T02:02:34Z elly: aha! it does indeed work in chibi
2018-01-13T02:02:40Z elly: without any confusion
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2018-01-13T03:01:45Z jcowan_: Note that in Chicken (foo bar) is in foo.bar.scm (or a compiled version of it)
2018-01-13T03:02:06Z jcowan_: so there are really quite a lot of possibilities, it's something we deliberately left flexible
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2018-01-13T03:14:03Z elly: got it
2018-01-13T03:16:48Z jcowan_: https://bitbucket.org/cowan/r7rs-wg1-infra/src/default/ImplementationSupport.md lists the r7rs implementations
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2018-01-13T03:21:43Z elly: I'm surprised to see chibi not listed
2018-01-13T03:23:50Z jcowan_: it's a formatting problem with markdown, I'm trying to fix it now
2018-01-13T03:26:32Z elly: ahh, okay
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2018-01-13T03:33:37Z jcowan_: elly: okay, fixed
2018-01-13T03:44:33Z elly: nice :)
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2018-01-13T08:44:49Z wasamasa: elly: I've tried the same thing with racket, the r7rs thing only works with racket libraries
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2018-01-13T08:45:04Z wasamasa: elly: I eventually gave up making it work for local libraries
2018-01-13T08:50:27Z wasamasa: elly: if you know a fool-proof way to install local files into racket, I'd like to know, then I could add it to https://github.com/kanaka/mal/tree/master/scheme/
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2018-01-13T10:17:49Z ecraven: does r7rs say anything about how binary and textual ports and input/output procedures interact? is (read-u8 my-textual-port) allowed to work?
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2018-01-13T10:46:27Z vyzo: i dont think it does
2018-01-13T10:46:44Z vyzo: in Gerbil it work as long as you dont have any chars buffered on the textual overlay
2018-01-13T11:18:49Z aeth: I would assume that it wouldn't work, or at least it probably wouldn't work
2018-01-13T11:18:58Z aeth: Or, maybe I should say... I wouldn't assume that it would work
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2018-01-13T12:26:15Z ecraven: well, technically, why shouldn't it work? reading a single octet off the start of an utf-8 sequence would confuse read-char, but otherwise, you might as well mix read-char and read-u8 :-/
2018-01-13T12:35:00Z vyzo: the problem is buffers filling up with characters
2018-01-13T12:35:07Z vyzo: so if you try to read a byte
2018-01-13T12:35:15Z vyzo: you need to undo the read of the characters of port
2018-01-13T12:37:00Z ecraven: indeed :-/
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2018-01-13T13:05:14Z foof: impls are allowed but not required to provide ports which are both binary and textual.
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