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2017-08-13T12:02:45Z BW^-: Guys, do you know of any implementations of the dynamic connected graph problem?
2017-08-13T12:02:50Z BW^-: E.g. https://scholar.google.ca/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=VzPHumEAAAAJ&citation_for_view=VzPHumEAAAAJ:u5HHmVD_uO8C
2017-08-13T12:02:52Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/nqW39Kwspp
2017-08-13T12:02:57Z BW^-: "Poly-logarithmic deterministic fully-dynamic algorithms for connectivity, minimum spanning tree, 2-edge, and biconnectivity"
2017-08-13T12:09:10Z CORDIC: BW^-: You can also ask in ##algorithms.
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2017-08-13T12:18:34Z druidofluhn: Got a quick question about syntax-rules: can I quote an argument passed to them, in the output?
2017-08-13T12:19:07Z druidofluhn: So say I call my macro with (m spam eggs), could I have it output (f 'spam eggs) for example?
2017-08-13T12:28:32Z BW^-: CORDIC: done
2017-08-13T12:29:28Z BW^-: could anyone also bother to explain to me what a "spanning forest" means beyond just a "tree" or a "forest". what's spanning.
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2017-08-13T12:32:26Z ecraven: Riastradh: is there a way to "capture" the original value of `set!' and use it in a new definition of a new macro `set!' on mit-scheme?
2017-08-13T12:32:44Z ecraven: I tried (define-syntax set! (let-syntax ...)) but mit-scheme doesn't like that
2017-08-13T12:35:26Z BW^-: Riastradh: do you know any dynamic graph connectivity implementations?
2017-08-13T12:42:58Z druidofluhn: Nevermind, my question was answered
2017-08-13T12:56:15Z ecraven: druidofluhn: sorry, you probably found out that you just need to quote it, then it will be quoted
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2017-08-13T13:40:21Z BW^-: ecraven: do you know of any such impls? :)
2017-08-13T13:44:27Z Riastradh: ecraven: Not that I know of offhand.
2017-08-13T13:45:29Z BW^-: Riastradh: do you know any impl?
2017-08-13T13:45:57Z Riastradh: BW^-: Nope.
2017-08-13T13:46:23Z Riastradh: But from a cursory glance it looks like there's ample information in Wikipedia to write one, since the subject has obviously been well-studied in the literature.
2017-08-13T13:57:30Z BW^-: Riastradh: yeah, indeed it's well studied
2017-08-13T13:57:35Z BW^-: Riastradh: however almost no impls out there.
2017-08-13T13:58:00Z BW^-: Riastradh: i wonder if there's a undocumented "s***t *** pants" factor in the problem somewhere lol (sorry for rough vocabulary) lol
2017-08-13T13:58:19Z BW^-: for most stuff the world is full of impls, but for this problem no
2017-08-13T13:58:20Z BW^-: t
2017-08-13T13:58:29Z BW^-: anyhow.
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2017-08-13T14:37:57Z ecraven: Riastradh: thanks
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2017-08-13T16:20:51Z amz3: héllo #scheme
2017-08-13T16:21:01Z amz3: why is the foo.bar.baz syntax not popular to traversing objects in lisp-like languages
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2017-08-13T16:33:27Z ecraven: amz3: probably because lisp doesn't like non-s-expression syntax
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2017-08-13T16:34:48Z wasamasa: instant KO?
2017-08-13T16:35:33Z ecraven: hm.. I think I've seen that nick before, not sure where ;) wasn't my intention to drive him/her away
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2017-08-13T16:50:20Z amz3: I am asking because the (SUBJECT.VERB COMPLEMENT) notation looks very familiar so I am wondering why no lisp adopted it
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2017-08-13T16:52:10Z amz3: ecraven: yes, but it can be rewritten as s-expr
2017-08-13T16:52:23Z ecraven: amz3: not sure I understand... point.x doesn't look like subject.verb to me
2017-08-13T16:53:02Z amz3: yes point.x is not a good example, but stil, it's clear that x belongs to point
2017-08-13T16:53:14Z ecraven: well, lisp would probably say (x point)
2017-08-13T16:53:30Z ecraven: which has advantages, everything is a function, you don't distinguish between "fields
2017-08-13T16:53:33Z CORDIC: amz3: IIRC Maru implements `read' to Desugar it into ``((in SBJECT "VERB") COMPLEMENT)''.
2017-08-13T16:53:35Z ecraven: " and "methods"
2017-08-13T16:53:54Z amz3: for instance, given the (point.move 101 42) can be rewritten into ((getattr point 'move) 101 42) and it's s-expr
2017-08-13T16:54:00Z ecraven: well, kawa scheme for example does support point.x
2017-08-13T16:54:45Z ecraven: I use dot-notation in my javascript transpiler, but in general, I don't think you'd gain much
2017-08-13T16:54:54Z ecraven: as there are times when you need to decompose it anyway
2017-08-13T16:55:32Z amz3: ecraven: what is your javascript transpiler?
2017-08-13T16:55:49Z amz3: ecraven: what do you mean by "you need to decompose it"?
2017-08-13T16:56:34Z ecraven: not public, just a very small private project, turns (define name (and o (get-name o))) -> var name = ((o) && (o.getName())), or (to-upper-case "hello") -> "hello".toUpperCase()
2017-08-13T16:57:20Z ecraven: it's inspired by parenscript, but the syntax is different and it is not as good by far ;)
2017-08-13T16:58:02Z ecraven: amz3: well, (x point) means you can do things like (define (fun acc) (acc point)) to access any of x, y and z by passing an argument
2017-08-13T16:58:09Z ecraven: how would you write that with point...?
2017-08-13T16:58:35Z ecraven: not saying I don't understand the wish, but I don't think it'd be as good as it seems
2017-08-13T16:58:54Z ecraven: just like I've been wondering how nice srfi-17 would be to have, but it might just not be as nice as I think it is
2017-08-13T16:59:49Z amz3: tx, for discussing it, I am not sure myself it's a good, that's why I am asking
2017-08-13T17:00:19Z ecraven: but as I said, some Schemes are indeed using it.
2017-08-13T17:00:31Z ecraven: Kawa supports it for accessing fields in java classes
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2017-08-13T20:23:12Z vtomole: When I do 'M-x scheme-mode' in emacs, it asks me to input a scheme implementation. Is there a way to automatically set a variable so I dont have to do it all the time?
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2017-08-13T20:25:27Z wasamasa: sure
2017-08-13T20:25:37Z wasamasa: it's `scheme-program-name'
2017-08-13T20:27:39Z vtomole: I already did that in my .emacs "(setq scheme-program-name "scheme")" No difference. i also tried setting it to "mit" which is the implementation im using
2017-08-13T20:29:19Z vtomole: Oh I should also mention that i'm trying to get scheme-mode on a different file extension .my-scheme
2017-08-13T20:29:47Z vtomole: So I set (setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.my-scheme%" . scheme-mode) auto-mode-alist))
2017-08-13T20:33:26Z vtomole: That shouldn't matter though as I could get a scheme-mode on the scratch buffer
2017-08-13T20:34:22Z wasamasa: time for a sanity check
2017-08-13T20:34:28Z wasamasa: F1 v scheme-program-name
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2017-08-13T20:36:22Z vtomole: ELISP> scheme-program-name =>"scheme"
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2017-08-13T20:38:33Z wasamasa: (executable-find "scheme")
2017-08-13T20:39:24Z vtomole: ELISP> (executable-find "scheme") => "/usr/bin/scheme"
2017-08-13T20:39:38Z wasamasa: you should have no problems then :>
2017-08-13T20:41:13Z wasamasa: test again with M-x run-scheme
2017-08-13T20:42:07Z vtomole: M-x run-scheme works fine. M-x scheme-mode asks me for the implementation
2017-08-13T20:43:08Z vtomole: Which is what I want to avoid cause it's tedious to  enter for every file I edit
2017-08-13T20:45:15Z wasamasa: can you reproduce the problem in emacs -Q?
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2017-08-13T20:47:48Z vtomole: It works! But why?
2017-08-13T20:48:02Z wasamasa: because you have something weird in your init file
2017-08-13T20:48:22Z wasamasa: have fun with bisecting it
2017-08-13T20:48:34Z vtomole: wasamasa: Thanks a lot!
2017-08-13T20:49:00Z wasamasa: or maybe you messed up your current session enough that a minimal one doesn't have the problem, dunno
2017-08-13T20:49:04Z wasamasa: scheme-mode is weird
2017-08-13T20:52:44Z vtomole: It is strange. I deleted everything besides (setq scheme-program-name "scheme") and Im back to square one
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