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2017-06-15T15:38:34Z jmd: lukeoftheaura: Read a book? 2017-06-15T15:38:45Z lukeoftheaura: what book? 2017-06-15T15:38:48Z gwatt: There's SICP, the Little Schemer 2017-06-15T15:39:14Z jmd: I found the guile tutorial quite good. 2017-06-15T15:39:47Z noethics: SICP won't really teach you scheme 2017-06-15T15:39:47Z jmd: lukeoftheaura: ... and when you're read a bit of it, start doing some examples. 2017-06-15T15:40:38Z noethics: not to say don't read SICP or anything :p 2017-06-15T15:40:47Z lukeoftheaura: I kinda hope these books aren't expensive 2017-06-15T15:40:53Z noethics: but it's lacking in actual scheme stuff 2017-06-15T15:41:52Z jmd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T15:45:20Z sssilver joined #scheme 2017-06-15T15:49:26Z greatscottttt quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2017-06-15T15:51:51Z araujo joined #scheme 2017-06-15T15:51:52Z araujo quit (Changing host) 2017-06-15T15:51:52Z araujo joined #scheme 2017-06-15T15:54:59Z lukeoftheaura: so I should read the little schemer? 2017-06-15T15:57:40Z kori: Yes 2017-06-15T15:57:57Z kori: You can find it for free online 2017-06-15T16:01:45Z lukeoftheaura: where? 2017-06-15T16:02:38Z Steverman joined #scheme 2017-06-15T16:07:17Z alezost joined #scheme 2017-06-15T16:11:01Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.2.1)) 2017-06-15T16:15:17Z jethier joined #scheme 2017-06-15T16:16:25Z kori: lukeoftheaura: I don't remember but with a simple Google search you can find it 2017-06-15T16:19:35Z Steverman quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T16:20:51Z sethalves quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-06-15T16:21:16Z sethalves joined #scheme 2017-06-15T16:25:19Z sondr3 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T16:33:12Z lukeoftheaura quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-15T16:38:53Z Steverman joined #scheme 2017-06-15T16:41:58Z jethier: Wrote up a post on low-level debugging with Cyclone, might be of interest (??): http://justinethier.github.io/cyclone//2017/06/05/Using-the-C-Profiler-and-Debugger-with-Cyclone-Scheme.html 2017-06-15T16:55:32Z igajsin quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:02:21Z pilne joined #scheme 2017-06-15T17:03:05Z Steverman quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:05:15Z jaziz joined #scheme 2017-06-15T17:09:54Z rain1: hello jethier 2017-06-15T17:09:58Z rain1: amazing work with cyclone 2017-06-15T17:10:06Z rain1: i have read your previous posts about it 2017-06-15T17:11:17Z ecraven: jethier: very nice! 2017-06-15T17:11:27Z jethier: rain1: thanks :) 2017-06-15T17:11:44Z jethier: thanks guys, hope you found the post interesting 2017-06-15T17:11:48Z ecraven: very much ;) 2017-06-15T17:12:56Z jethier: At the time I was surprised at the results and it seemed like it would be a fun way to go over this stuff.... I don't think there are instructions anywhere else 2017-06-15T17:14:23Z ecraven: I should write a cyclone swank backend, that'd make me use it more ;) 2017-06-15T17:14:32Z bonz060 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T17:16:05Z lukeoftheaura joined #scheme 2017-06-15T17:16:08Z jethier: go for it :) 2017-06-15T17:16:32Z ecraven: I have a working one for mit/gnu scheme and chibi, I should really write a generic swank backend with scheme-specific parts 2017-06-15T17:16:41Z rain1: I had thought about trying to do scope sets macro expander frontend for cyclone but i got distracted and worked on other things 2017-06-15T17:16:54Z lukeoftheaura: so, another noob question - what is the best scheme implementation for linux? looking through the arch packages there seems to be, like, 15 different ones 2017-06-15T17:17:02Z badkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T17:17:13Z ecraven: lukeoftheaura: hehe, are you following a specific book? 2017-06-15T17:17:17Z rain1: lukeoftheaura: good options are guile, racket, chez scheme 2017-06-15T17:17:24Z rain1: chicken 2017-06-15T17:17:46Z rain1: theres a lot actually.. 2017-06-15T17:18:07Z lukeoftheaura: so each one is really different? 2017-06-15T17:18:13Z ecraven: yes and no ;) 2017-06-15T17:18:19Z ecraven: the basics are the same, the libraries are different 2017-06-15T17:18:25Z ecraven: some have dedicated guis 2017-06-15T17:18:29Z lukeoftheaura: guile and chicken are in the main repo 2017-06-15T17:18:38Z ecraven: mit/gnu scheme has edwin, racket has one too 2017-06-15T17:18:50Z ecraven: lukeoftheaura: all of those and many more are in community or in aur 2017-06-15T17:19:01Z lukeoftheaura: so it's a case of each having different libraries? 2017-06-15T17:19:09Z lukeoftheaura: yeah, there seem to be tons of different ones in aur 2017-06-15T17:19:17Z ecraven: some are compiled, some are interpreted, some run on the jvm 2017-06-15T17:20:02Z ertes quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:20:13Z lukeoftheaura: but my question is, which is best 2017-06-15T17:20:19Z ecraven: that depends on what you want to do 2017-06-15T17:20:45Z lukeoftheaura: idk what I want to do 2017-06-15T17:20:52Z rain1: no best 2017-06-15T17:21:08Z lukeoftheaura: I'm just interested in the language, but totally not sure what I would want to do with it 2017-06-15T17:21:27Z ecraven: well, guile, chicken and racket probably have the largest communities 2017-06-15T17:21:38Z ecraven: racket is not strictly Scheme 2017-06-15T17:22:51Z lukeoftheaura: I'm looking at guile as I have it already, because some other program I have uses it 2017-06-15T17:23:02Z lukeoftheaura: but it seems to be more for extentions to things rather than standalone programs 2017-06-15T17:23:31Z sondr3 joined #scheme 2017-06-15T17:24:47Z ecraven: lukeoftheaura: look at guix, they use guile for many standalone programs 2017-06-15T17:25:11Z ecraven: also, in the end, just pick one, you can always switch, none of those mentioned so far is a bad choice 2017-06-15T17:25:28Z rain1: you might like to try the zenity bindings i made with guile 2017-06-15T17:25:34Z rain1: its kind of fun 2017-06-15T17:26:06Z jethier: rain1: scope sets? 2017-06-15T17:26:37Z rain1: jethier: yeah its a new way to implement macro expanders - i thought it was nice but i didn't complete my code for it 2017-06-15T17:26:41Z lukeoftheaura: chicken seems to be in conflict with mono 2017-06-15T17:26:42Z lukeoftheaura: wat 2017-06-15T17:27:01Z jethier: lukeoftheaura: ecraven noticed that, too 2017-06-15T17:27:09Z jethier: csc naming conflict 2017-06-15T17:27:14Z lukeoftheaura: hmm 2017-06-15T17:27:48Z rain1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWLveMNdzg http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/scope-sets/ 2017-06-15T17:28:39Z lukeoftheaura: any way to resolve that? 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"Foo-baz-size" would suggest the size of a baz, which is not to the purpose. 2017-06-15T22:40:58Z qu1j0t3: wouldn't you want a count over a general predicate, not just 'is a baz' 2017-06-15T22:43:32Z mekeor joined #scheme 2017-06-15T22:45:54Z jcowan: I have that too 2017-06-15T22:46:03Z jcowan: on reflection, I think the general case is sufficient 2017-06-15T22:46:24Z jcowan quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-15T23:01:49Z jaziz joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:02:17Z jaziz quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T23:05:12Z juanfra quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:07:20Z muelleme_ joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:11:59Z araujo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:12:27Z muelleme_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:22:55Z juanfra joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:25:15Z juanfra quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T23:26:18Z araujo joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:28:30Z juanfra joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:32:47Z Menche quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-15T23:42:09Z Menche joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:42:15Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:45:10Z Menche quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T23:45:27Z Menche joined #scheme 2017-06-15T23:48:48Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T23:50:05Z DGASAU joined #scheme