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((entries (cdr (car (vector->list (json-read (open-string-input-port (bytevector->string (get-bytevector-all (open-gzip-input-port (open-file-input-port file))) (native-transcoder))))))))) 2017-05-27T02:03:43Z akkad: 2017-05-27T02:06:56Z ijp: could be worse, it could be church encoded 2017-05-27T02:07:13Z akkad: unfamiliar with that 2017-05-27T02:08:32Z ijp: suffice to say it's a way of encoding various types as lambda expressions 2017-05-27T02:09:04Z aeth: cdar 2017-05-27T02:09:11Z aeth: Now you can eliminate one () 2017-05-27T02:09:12Z ijp: e.g. (define ((cons a b) p) (p a b)) (define (car c) (c (lambda (x y) x))) (define (cdr c) (c (lambda (x y) y))) 2017-05-27T02:10:06Z ijp: aeth: not sure if serious 2017-05-27T02:13:29Z ArneBab_ joined #scheme 2017-05-27T02:17:48Z ArneBab quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-27T02:34:04Z gko_ joined #scheme 2017-05-27T02:35:41Z daviid joined #scheme 2017-05-27T02:44:35Z cemerick joined #scheme 2017-05-27T02:53:09Z aeth: ijp: no 2017-05-27T02:54:02Z akkad had always been told sbcl would be significantly faster than typical scheme implementations. 2017-05-27T02:55:19Z aeth: It really depends 2017-05-27T02:56:09Z aeth: e.g. To write truly fast SBCL, it doesn't look like idiomatic Lisp at all. e.g. It has type declarations. 2017-05-27T02:56:19Z akkad: oh yeah... very true 2017-05-27T02:56:38Z akkad: e.g. ironclad. but even removing all the #+sbcl yields only a percentage difference 2017-05-27T02:57:16Z aeth: If you were to transpile C or Fortran to a language in the Lisp family, you probably can't beat SBCL. But it'll look like C or Fortran. You can also copy many idioms and designs. But again, it'll look like C or Fortran. 2017-05-27T02:57:43Z aeth: Type declarations, structs (with types) instead of CLOS, etc. 2017-05-27T02:58:25Z akkad: yeah. good point. 2017-05-27T02:58:29Z aeth: You also need deep knowledge of the implementation. I've moved some (small) array operations over to multiple return values, based on disassembling some SBCL functions. 2017-05-27T02:58:30Z akkad: ceases to be lisp as we know it 2017-05-27T02:58:45Z akkad: nice 2017-05-27T02:59:01Z akkad: disassemble will be missed 2017-05-27T02:59:03Z aeth: Although, really, the ideal is that the library writers do all this work, and then you just use a highly optimized library to do your work. 2017-05-27T02:59:20Z akkad kicks chicken to go faster 2017-05-27T03:00:09Z aeth: If you're doing something in a Scheme that needs to be really fast, you should probably use Typed Racket. Having the implementation guess the types can only go so far as far as performance is concerned, or at least that's what I've noticed so far. 2017-05-27T03:00:11Z akkad: yeah the language benchmarks for sbcl were always ported asm... 2017-05-27T03:00:24Z akkad: nice. 2017-05-27T03:00:50Z akkad: just in the parsing json/unzipping files bench I've been using it makes a difference 2017-05-27T03:01:02Z aeth: Typed Racket probably will not beat SBCL in speed, though. Racket's more Haskell-immitating than C-immitating, and x86-64 is designed for C. 2017-05-27T03:03:05Z akkad: gambit is quite fast 2017-05-27T03:03:41Z aeth: The more I program, the more I prefer macros to higher order functions. When written properly, it can precompute as much as possible before the program runs, or at least before a long-running loop. 2017-05-27T03:04:00Z aeth: Higher order functions can be similar, but there you're relying on the compiler being sufficiently smart to understand what you're doing. 2017-05-27T03:06:17Z aeth: I'm not sure if there's a language in the Lisp family that is designed for this, though. CL doesn't (portably) give macros enough information to be sufficiently intelligent. 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Macros are. 2017-05-27T03:27:45Z aeth: (At least as low level as you can get in a garbage-collected language.) 2017-05-27T03:31:57Z n_blownapart quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-27T03:38:59Z sleffy quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-27T03:54:22Z n_blownapart joined #scheme 2017-05-27T03:57:12Z pierpa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-27T03:58:29Z n_blownapart quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-27T04:00:21Z n_blownapart joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:03:40Z MrBusiness quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-27T04:04:44Z n_blownapart quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-27T04:05:01Z MrBusiness joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:05:59Z gko_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-27T04:07:07Z MrBusiness quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-27T04:08:10Z MrBusiness joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:09:52Z MrBusiness quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2017-05-27T04:13:20Z n_blownapart joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:14:13Z nanoz joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:14:13Z nanoz quit (Changing host) 2017-05-27T04:14:13Z nanoz joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:21:58Z ertes joined #scheme 2017-05-27T04:24:08Z n_blownapart quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-27T04:27:09Z bjz quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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