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2017-05-20T08:00:32Z akkad: if one wanted to port a package to chibi/r7rs from another scheme, would racket be easier than chicken?
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2017-05-20T11:39:36Z wasamasa: akkad: I'd argue it would be easier with CHICKEN as it comes from r5rs whereas racket comes from r6rs
2017-05-20T11:39:54Z wasamasa: akkad: both have packages for partial r7rs support though, so dunno how it works out in practice
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2017-05-20T12:30:38Z rain1: hello
2017-05-20T12:30:42Z rain1: scheme is far more complex than lisp
2017-05-20T12:30:46Z rain1: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6c89dr/doing_scheme_the_big_lie/
2017-05-20T12:32:57Z wasamasa: let's wait until the author tries implementing a production-ready lisp
2017-05-20T12:35:50Z wasamasa: the commentary is lol
2017-05-20T12:36:00Z rain1: cringefactory
2017-05-20T12:36:19Z rain1: years frorm now people are going to be saying "actualy, scheme is not a lisp"
2017-05-20T12:36:48Z wasamasa: this whole "X is/isn't a lisp" is cringeworthy
2017-05-20T12:37:01Z rain1: its just such a easy thing to make pointless arguments about
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2017-05-20T12:38:34Z wasamasa: compare with the commentary on https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/6c89f3/doing_scheme_the_big_lie/
2017-05-20T12:39:35Z wasamasa: if you want to implement a toy lisp, try https://github.com/kanaka/mal
2017-05-20T12:39:40Z wasamasa: I went for it three times so far
2017-05-20T12:39:48Z andro__: Hello. Does anybody knwo of a JSON or a YAML parser for the Guile 1.8 dialect of Scheme?
2017-05-20T12:40:10Z wasamasa: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/guile-json/
2017-05-20T12:40:33Z andro__: That only works with Guile 2. Thanks.
2017-05-20T12:41:27Z wasamasa: ah, so that's why https://github.com/joeltg/mit-scheme-kernel/tree/master/src/json is a thing
2017-05-20T12:41:40Z wasamasa: feel free to write your own :>
2017-05-20T12:42:19Z andro__: Will have to!
2017-05-20T12:42:40Z wasamasa: this would be the point where I wonder whether I've picked the right scheme implementation for this task
2017-05-20T12:43:40Z andro__: I have no option. I develop with the open source music engraving program lilypond and it is heavily committed to Guile 1.8.
2017-05-20T12:43:53Z wasamasa: maybe there is something on http://snow.iro.umontreal.ca/?tab=Packages
2017-05-20T12:43:55Z andro__: The port to Guile 2 is proving very difficult for the team.
2017-05-20T12:43:58Z rain1: what a strange thing.. why dont they update to the latest guile?
2017-05-20T12:44:02Z rain1: ah...
2017-05-20T12:44:11Z wasamasa: well, yes, there is
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2017-05-20T12:44:27Z andro__: Immense technical difficulties, and huge performance problems with Guile 2 in our context.
2017-05-20T12:44:35Z wasamasa: snow supposedly works with guile
2017-05-20T12:44:42Z rain1: i thought guile2 would be a lot faster, because of the improvemnts
2017-05-20T12:45:03Z andro__: Not with the way lilypnd uses it. Vastly too slow.
2017-05-20T12:45:08Z rain1: aw :(
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2017-05-20T12:57:23Z andro__: wasamasa: Thanks for your help!
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2017-05-20T15:32:32Z pookleblinky: I've been wondering about a fork of uzbl into chicken
2017-05-20T15:33:15Z wasamasa: let me guess, you'd name that fork unuzbl
2017-05-20T15:33:29Z pookleblinky: With chicken's great ffi you could reach deeper into webkit, lop off even more code than uzbl was able to
2017-05-20T15:33:39Z wasamasa: hahaha, no
2017-05-20T15:34:26Z rain1: i think the core problem needs addressed, HTML/web is an overcomplex nightmare
2017-05-20T15:34:48Z wasamasa: I've asked the author of the webkit egg whether he considered doing a new one for webkit2
2017-05-20T15:34:48Z pookleblinky: rain1: web is a fake idea
2017-05-20T15:34:50Z rain1: make an s-expression based html replacement that a renderer can be implemented easily
2017-05-20T15:35:30Z wasamasa: he told me that it would result in a complete rewrite as the new security measures make it impossible to just run scheme from the same process
2017-05-20T15:35:39Z wasamasa: instead requiring loads of IPC as seen with node-webkit
2017-05-20T15:36:46Z pookleblinky: Suckless' surf, except that all the code around the webkit seed's been replaced by scheme.
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2017-05-20T15:38:07Z wasamasa: I'll instead contribute to qutebrowser as that's more sensible
2017-05-20T15:38:38Z pookleblinky: Qutebrowser has definitely picked up the momentum that uzbl and surf never had
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2017-05-20T15:44:53Z wasamasa: http://gizmodo.com/5513499/how-webkit2-will-fix-your-slow-crashy-browsers
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