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2017-05-18T09:38:28Z ecraven: jcowan: do you have an up-to-date list of scheme implementations for the jvm?
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2017-05-18T09:39:31Z ecraven: is there anything active except for Kawa?
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2017-05-18T09:51:10Z jonaslund: bigloo still has a jvm backend ?
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2017-05-18T09:57:00Z noncom: hi!
2017-05-18T09:57:34Z noncom: does anyone know how to compile TSION ? (the TinyScheme with Network Extensions) ?
2017-05-18T09:58:16Z noncom: http://www.geonius.com/software/tsion/
2017-05-18T09:58:38Z noncom: there is the Makefile.linux, but I am not sure how to properly feed all this into make
2017-05-18T09:58:46Z noncom: so maybe someone had some experience with this...
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2017-05-18T09:59:01Z ecraven: make -f Makefile.linux might work
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2017-05-18T10:04:05Z noncom: ecraven: yes, it did work! not that it seems to mark the end of the problems, but it is a progress :) thanks!
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2017-05-18T10:05:04Z ecraven: welcome ;)
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2017-05-18T13:11:46Z jcowan: ecraven: Bigloo, JScheme, Hotdog (a port of Scheme48 to the JVM and CLR) and Kawa compile to JVM bytecode.  SISC, NexJ, and Llava are interpreters running on the JVM.
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2017-05-18T13:16:40Z ecraven: jcowan: thank you!
2017-05-18T13:17:19Z jcowan: I may be wrong about hotdog, I've never used it
2017-05-18T13:17:48Z ecraven: just ran into some problems with Kawa and wanted to look at alternatives
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2017-05-18T13:36:18Z gwatt: what problems?
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2017-05-18T14:37:04Z pookleblinky: How is guile-wm these days?
2017-05-18T14:37:28Z z0d: not sure if it's active anymore
2017-05-18T14:37:51Z z0d: oh, wait. Guile WM. nevermind
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2017-05-18T14:40:31Z pookleblinky: I know i3's got mature Chicken extensibility (i3 egg), which seems much more appealing.
2017-05-18T14:41:36Z z0d: I used to use StumpWM
2017-05-18T14:44:25Z gwatt: is that the common lisp wm?
2017-05-18T14:44:36Z z0d: yes
2017-05-18T14:45:36Z davexunit: guile-wm hasn't been actively developed in years
2017-05-18T14:45:39Z davexunit: unfortunately.
2017-05-18T14:47:03Z wasamasa: pookleblinky: the appeal of i3 is not having to use a programming language to configure it
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2017-05-18T15:20:31Z paroneayea: bonk
2017-05-18T15:20:47Z paroneayea: pookleblinky: I use stumpwm for no
2017-05-18T15:20:48Z paroneayea: now
2017-05-18T15:21:03Z paroneayea: it's not guile, and it's not scheme, and it's not the absolute best, but it does work and it is lisp based
2017-05-18T15:21:22Z paroneayea: and I've foudnd I like it more than say, awesome
2017-05-18T15:21:37Z paroneayea: (I don't like that you can't control splitting in awesome)
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2017-05-18T15:51:44Z noethics: do people use scsh
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2017-05-18T16:34:09Z akkad: so many choices. sagittarius or gauche
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2017-05-18T16:35:25Z pookleblinky: When was scsh last active? 2006?
2017-05-18T16:36:07Z pookleblinky: It's a damn shame. Have you seen Chicken's shell-pipeline egg and such?
2017-05-18T16:37:01Z pookleblinky: A modern scsh could be built on chicken, with actual (painless) interactive use
2017-05-18T16:37:03Z wasamasa: scsh-process
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2017-05-18T16:43:45Z pookleblinky: Scsh-process is interesting, not really as far as it could go though.
2017-05-18T16:45:00Z pookleblinky: I switch from zsh to fish, and love everything about fish except its attitude toward posix. I don't want to write fishscript.
2017-05-18T16:46:04Z davexunit: I would never write fish scripts, but as a human user interface it's very good.
2017-05-18T16:46:39Z pookleblinky: So, I'd love an actually interactive scheme shell. The ability to output idiomatic bash as a preview, tweak things in repl, etc
2017-05-18T16:48:26Z pookleblinky: Pop open a repl, preview the outcome, tweak regexes in real time, barf it into a shell script already set up with a shebang etc.
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2017-05-18T18:49:01Z OjD: hello, one basic question. I come from another language and I am trying to print results along with a string (e.g. "The result of this calculation is #####", where ##### is the result of a procedure)
2017-05-18T18:49:44Z OjD: right now, the way I am doing it is by using: (display `(text text text ,result text text))
2017-05-18T18:49:53Z OjD: any suggestion?
2017-05-18T18:54:56Z ecraven: OjD: every scheme has better procedures for displaying results, what is your implementation of choice?
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2017-05-18T18:57:22Z OjD: Dr Racket
2017-05-18T18:57:59Z ecraven: probably (fprintf ...), see https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/Writing.html
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2017-05-18T18:58:21Z ecraven: or even just (printf ...)
2017-05-18T18:59:32Z OjD: Thanks
2017-05-18T19:05:50Z OjD: last question, is there any document with programming conventions for Scheme (procedure naming, spaces & tabs, testing etc)?
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2017-05-18T19:06:36Z jcowan: OjD: https://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt
2017-05-18T19:08:26Z OjD: awesome
2017-05-18T19:08:29Z OjD: thanks for the help
2017-05-18T19:08:32Z jcowan: disclaimers: one person's opinion, may be obsolete in spots
2017-05-18T19:08:34Z jcowan: Any time
2017-05-18T19:09:39Z ecraven: just do whatever emacs does :P
2017-05-18T19:10:55Z jcowan: Riastradh's rules say that, but add a lot more
2017-05-18T19:11:42Z jcowan: naming, ?, !, with-*, ;; ;;; ;;;;
2017-05-18T19:12:03Z jcowan: filesize, proc size, line length, etc. etc.
2017-05-18T19:17:58Z Riastradh: Apologies for the walls of turgid prose in that article.
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2017-05-18T19:36:48Z jcowan: Riastradh != why
2017-05-18T19:39:36Z Riastradh: No, I'm a different Madeleine L'Engle character who materializes and dematerializes unpredictably.
2017-05-18T19:40:38Z ecraven: is it just my perception, or does git mit-scheme compile much faster now?
2017-05-18T19:44:11Z Riastradh: ecraven: First time you do it will be slower as it builds a cross-compiler toolchain; then for updates, even those requiring full rebuilds, it will continue using the old cross-compiler toolchain until you delete src/tools/*.com.
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2017-05-18T19:47:50Z ecraven: cool!
2017-05-18T19:48:05Z ecraven: really looking forward to this!
2017-05-18T19:48:12Z ecraven: this = the next release
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2017-05-18T19:55:20Z ecraven: hey mejja ;)
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2017-05-18T20:46:42Z akkad: is there a feature list of implementations, say for "supports system threads"
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2017-05-18T20:54:41Z wasamasa: jcowan did such lists for fun
2017-05-18T20:55:31Z jcowan: Threads doesn't happen to be one that I looked at, but you can see lots of other things at
2017-05-18T20:55:39Z akkad: I  mean clearly chibi is the fastest, but I need threads
2017-05-18T20:55:42Z jcowan: http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/ImplementationContrasts
2017-05-18T20:55:58Z jcowan: Chibi is the fastest what?
2017-05-18T20:56:08Z akkad:  fastest to say.
2017-05-18T20:56:10Z akkad: :P
2017-05-18T20:56:19Z wasamasa: nope
2017-05-18T20:56:22Z jcowan: Chez is quicker.  :-0
2017-05-18T20:56:45Z akkad: fastest at building?
2017-05-18T20:58:16Z jcowan shrugs
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2017-05-18T21:13:09Z akkad: even a "actively managed" list
2017-05-18T21:13:13Z akkad: would go a long ways
2017-05-18T21:13:27Z akkad: otherwise you have newbies using xemacs
2017-05-18T21:15:21Z wasamasa: that would be like half a dozen
2017-05-18T21:16:26Z akkad awaits all 6
2017-05-18T21:17:08Z wasamasa: racket, guile, CHICKEN, chibi, mit-scheme, chez
2017-05-18T21:19:11Z akkad: gauche, sagittarius see new commits
2017-05-18T21:19:12Z wasamasa: newbies wouldn't be using xemacs, for the simple reason that the mere attempt gives you tons of errors
2017-05-18T21:19:58Z wasamasa: I couldn't even get sxemacs to run
2017-05-18T21:20:32Z akkad: cause it's sexy
2017-05-18T21:20:47Z akkad: yeah that was a marketing ploy
2017-05-18T21:21:36Z wasamasa: actually, I guess that's a good way to test how mature a project is
2017-05-18T21:21:48Z wasamasa: can you get it up and running without encountering errors all the time?
2017-05-18T21:22:02Z akkad: on a modern os
2017-05-18T21:22:07Z akkad: good point.
2017-05-18T21:22:37Z akkad: adding them all to a docker that builds/runs those r7rs benchmarks against HEAD on each
2017-05-18T21:22:54Z wasamasa: when I implemented MAL in ChucK, I ran into a bunch of bugs with its OOP system and everything stdlib unrelated to music
2017-05-18T21:23:11Z wasamasa: it's because everyone else using it has been busy creating synths and shit
2017-05-18T21:23:13Z akkad: heh
2017-05-18T21:23:46Z akkad: never heard of it, looks interesting
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2017-05-18T21:24:03Z wasamasa: I only used it because I couldn't get sound with supercollider on the rpi
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2017-05-18T21:48:13Z jcowan: Experience shows, though, that a Scheme which looks dead suddenly resurges to life.  Chez was mega-dead until it was open sourced.
2017-05-18T21:48:24Z jcowan: And often Schemes are "dead" because they Just Work.
2017-05-18T21:49:49Z akkad: well r7rs large might help identify those
2017-05-18T21:50:00Z akkad: so nice having modern srfis
2017-05-18T21:51:21Z jcowan says thank you
2017-05-18T21:52:53Z akkad: no, thank you
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