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2017-05-16T19:54:56Z X-Scale: rudybot: (call-with-values * -)
2017-05-16T19:54:57Z rudybot: X-Scale: ; Value: -1
2017-05-16T19:55:22Z X-Scale: Riastradh: any idea why MIT/Scheme gives ";The object 1 is not applicable." error on this ?
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2017-05-16T20:13:22Z Riastradh: 'Cos values and call-with-values are broken.
2017-05-16T20:13:27Z Riastradh: ...in MIT Scheme.
2017-05-16T20:13:45Z Riastradh: If you were to do (call-with-values (lambda () (values (*))) -), it would work.
2017-05-16T20:13:59Z Riastradh: But some legitimate uses of values and call-with-values in MIT Scheme don't work.
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2017-05-16T20:19:38Z gwatt: So (*) and (values (*)) in mit-scheme are different?
2017-05-16T20:24:17Z Riastradh: gwatt: Yes.
2017-05-16T20:24:24Z Riastradh: It's a long-standing bug.
2017-05-16T20:24:39Z Riastradh: I think Matt Birkholz was working on it recently.  Can't remember whether it got merged to master.
2017-05-16T20:24:43Z ecraven: it is easy enough to define them yourself interpreted, but compiled is more complicated
2017-05-16T20:24:52Z ecraven: Riastradh: I don't think it did, so far :-/
2017-05-16T20:25:06Z ecraven: but I have errors on building, so I cannot test current git master
2017-05-16T20:25:14Z Riastradh: ecraven: What's the problem?
2017-05-16T20:25:43Z ecraven: some microcode problem, a second
2017-05-16T20:27:04Z Riastradh: I vaguely recall some outstanding issues with Matt's values branch, but I don't remember the details.
2017-05-16T20:28:52Z ecraven: it might be my fault, I'm not using plain 9.2 but an intermediate (a few months old) git version. pre-string-changes
2017-05-16T20:29:01Z ecraven: just building now
2017-05-16T20:29:27Z Riastradh: 9.2 (and maybe 9.2.1) should work; slightly newer pre-string versions of master likely won't.
2017-05-16T20:30:01Z ecraven: ok, then I'll try with pristine 9.2
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2017-05-16T20:32:42Z ecraven: interesting, that bug in cmpaux is gone, and things seem to compile fine now
2017-05-16T20:33:42Z ecraven: though 'föö still doesn't work :-/
2017-05-16T20:34:33Z Riastradh: What happens when you try?
2017-05-16T20:35:50Z ecraven: http://paste.lisp.org/display/346900
2017-05-16T20:36:14Z ecraven: it seems to even break my terminal subtly, that second 'föö isn't shown correctly, even though it certainly is typed alright
2017-05-16T20:36:37Z ecraven: all run on rxvt-unicode with LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
2017-05-16T20:37:11Z Riastradh: Cute.  Can you save a transcript of that and run it through hexdump?  Also, what about "föö"?
2017-05-16T20:37:56Z Riastradh: And share (map char->integer (string->list (symbol->string 'föö))))?
2017-05-16T20:39:34Z Riastradh: Weird.
2017-05-16T20:39:44Z Riastradh: 66 c3 b6 c3 b6    <- UTF-8 encoding of föö
2017-05-16T20:39:53Z Riastradh: 66 c3 a3 c2 b6    <- output printed by Scheme
2017-05-16T20:40:22Z Riastradh: 66 c3 83 c2 b6    <- what you entered afterward
2017-05-16T20:40:40Z Riastradh: 66 c3 a3 c2 b6    <- what Scheme printed the second time
2017-05-16T20:40:51Z ecraven: how do I save a transscript?
2017-05-16T20:40:53Z Riastradh: script
2017-05-16T20:41:08Z ecraven: "föö" works fine
2017-05-16T20:41:09Z Riastradh: Double-check that the numbers I transcribed there match.
2017-05-16T20:41:17Z ecraven: ah, also, I'll disable my .scheme.init
2017-05-16T20:41:24Z Riastradh: That's always a good idea.
2017-05-16T20:41:34Z ecraven: I'm doing some nasty things there
2017-05-16T20:42:13Z ecraven: (102 227 182 227 182)
2017-05-16T20:42:18Z ecraven: that's the map
2017-05-16T20:43:20Z Riastradh: 66 e3 b6 e3 b6
2017-05-16T20:43:25Z Riastradh: Wacky.
2017-05-16T20:43:32Z ecraven: piping the output to a file shows 66 e3 b6 e3 b6
2017-05-16T20:43:37Z ecraven: so at least that is consistent
2017-05-16T20:44:13Z Riastradh: What about (port/set-coding (current-input-port) 'utf-8) and then trying 'föö?
2017-05-16T20:44:26Z Riastradh: Also, what does (map char->integer (string->list "föö")) give?  (without the port/set-coding)
2017-05-16T20:44:32Z ecraven: that works
2017-05-16T20:44:42Z Riastradh: What works?
2017-05-16T20:44:48Z ecraven: (102 195 182 195 182)
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2017-05-16T20:44:59Z ecraven: setting the port/coding makes 'föö display fine
2017-05-16T20:45:02Z ecraven: (and 'föäüß too)
2017-05-16T20:45:25Z Riastradh: Now what about (map char->integer (string->list "föö")) after the set-coding?
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2017-05-16T20:46:11Z ecraven: so things work as expected if I just set the input port to utf-8?
2017-05-16T20:46:17Z ecraven: and it was all my fault :D sorry about that
2017-05-16T20:46:24Z Riastradh: Guess so.  But there's something really wacky going on when you have the default coding.
2017-05-16T20:46:40Z ecraven: port/coding seems to default to utf-8 for the output port
2017-05-16T20:47:02Z ecraven: port/coding is 'text by default
2017-05-16T20:48:10Z ecraven: wow, this is nice! at last I can define APL functions properly :P
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2017-05-16T20:48:58Z ecraven: (define (⍳ n) (iota 1 n))
2017-05-16T20:49:22Z ecraven: Riastradh: should I send a mail about the default port/coding, or are you in a better position to bring this to the right person?
2017-05-16T20:50:21Z Riastradh: I'm not in a position to do anything right now -- mail to the mailing list has a slightly higher probability of causing something to happen.
2017-05-16T20:50:36Z ecraven: Riastradh: ok. thank you very much for your help!
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