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Does anyone have experience using inheritance in anger? 2016-09-09T19:07:53Z wingo: tx but i think if someone has one i would like to see an elegant scheme impl 2016-09-09T19:08:08Z qu1j0t3: there's 2-3 tree but you'd have to port mine from scala 2016-09-09T19:08:11Z wingo: i looked at porting some old stuff from other languages but it was not looking pretty 2016-09-09T19:09:44Z jcowan: wingo: There is a finger tree implementation in the SRFI 134 repo. 2016-09-09T19:11:30Z wingo: i think i am hoping for something shorter, though that might be a naive hope 2016-09-09T19:11:35Z wingo: tx for the pointer tho 2016-09-09T19:12:16Z jeapostrophe quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-09-09T19:12:19Z jcowan: What ho, the Chine Nual is on line now! 2016-09-09T19:12:24Z jcowan: https://hanshuebner.github.io/lmman/title.xml 2016-09-09T19:12:58Z jcowan: we can learn about stack groups and locatives and other lost arts of the Lisp communities 2016-09-09T19:13:52Z davexunit: wow! 2016-09-09T19:14:00Z davexunit: and a personal note from rms! 2016-09-09T19:15:22Z wingo: neat 2016-09-09T19:15:44Z wasamasa: jcowan: I have fixed up a thing using it 2016-09-09T19:16:08Z jcowan: wasamasa: excellent! Can you give more details? 2016-09-09T19:16:09Z wasamasa: jcowan: webkit-repl example for the webkit egg goes for srfi-99 to have introspection for the scheme objects 2016-09-09T19:16:26Z wasamasa: jcowan: so you can generate the right accessors once you know the type 2016-09-09T19:16:36Z jcowan: Introspection is one thing; it's inheritance I'm concerned with atm 2016-09-09T19:16:54Z wasamasa: oh well 2016-09-09T19:17:11Z jcowan: But thanks anyway 2016-09-09T19:17:21Z wasamasa: there is also a tutorial to using it 2016-09-09T19:17:31Z wasamasa: by, uh, some joerg? 2016-09-09T19:17:37Z jcowan: url? 2016-09-09T19:18:09Z wasamasa: http://wiki.call-cc.org/records-and-oop 2016-09-09T19:18:30Z wasamasa: this goes over a few ways to do records in scheme and then demoes the classic geometric shapes example 2016-09-09T19:18:47Z jcowan reads it 2016-09-09T19:20:12Z pierpa: wingo: weight balanced tree in slib 2016-09-09T19:20:29Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-09-09T19:20:42Z wingo looks :) 2016-09-09T19:21:19Z pierpa: (they are extracted from MIT-scheme) 2016-09-09T19:21:20Z wingo: slib still uses cvs?!?!?!?!?! 2016-09-09T19:21:40Z pierpa: (I have a port to Racket and to CL, is someone wants it) 2016-09-09T19:21:49Z DGASAU joined #scheme 2016-09-09T19:23:15Z jcowan: OOps, OOps 2016-09-09T19:23:27Z jcowan: mutable squares are not a subtype of mutable records 2016-09-09T19:23:35Z jcowan: or at least they should not be, otherwise Bad Things. 2016-09-09T19:28:00Z wingo: pierpa: apparently http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/mit-scheme.git/tree/src/runtime/wttree.scm is the current link i guess 2016-09-09T19:28:00Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/tcmZ7c0OvM 2016-09-09T19:28:35Z pierpa: probably. I've always downloaded a release tarball 2016-09-09T19:28:58Z wingo: (define-integrable (make-node k v l r w) (vector w l k r v)) 2016-09-09T19:28:58Z pierpa: ah, it's from mit-scheme 2016-09-09T19:29:03Z wingo: wat :) 2016-09-09T19:29:08Z pierpa: yes, the version in slib is made more portable 2016-09-09T19:29:28Z pierpa: well, ... :) 2016-09-09T19:29:53Z pierpa: may not be pretty, but it works well, I have used it as my workhorse data structures for decades :) 2016-09-09T19:30:03Z wingo: i think the slib copy is out of date 2016-09-09T19:30:14Z pierpa: hmmm 2016-09-09T19:30:14Z wingo: see comments at top of mit scheme version 2016-09-09T19:30:24Z wingo: compare to http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/slib/wttree.scm?revision=1.12&root=slib&view=markup 2016-09-09T19:30:24Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/RgvuheEJGi 2016-09-09T19:30:46Z pierpa: I sent a patch to Jaffer some 3 or 4 years ago, and he incorporated it... 2016-09-09T19:31:11Z pierpa: then there'may be some novelties in MIT but I have not followed them 2016-09-09T19:34:50Z wingo: pierpa: do you have a link to your racket versions? sorry to bother :) 2016-09-09T19:35:26Z pierpa: no, I have to put it somewhere. Wait a minute... 2016-09-09T19:36:45Z wingo: things often get nicer in racket 2016-09-09T19:36:57Z wingo: "struct" is delightfully terse 2016-09-09T19:37:37Z pierpa: wingo: https://bpaste.net/show/bb6119b13e6a 2016-09-09T19:38:13Z pierpa: it's a port as in "as soon as it works it's done" 2016-09-09T19:38:24Z TCZ joined #scheme 2016-09-09T19:38:45Z wingo: licenses are weird, i'm not sure that one is gpl-compatible because of clause (2) 2016-09-09T19:39:05Z wingo: oddly the slib version managed to be gplv2+ 2016-09-09T19:39:40Z pierpa: hmmm 2016-09-09T19:40:05Z wingo: as is the mit scheme version 2016-09-09T19:42:03Z wingo: anyway cool will give a poke 2016-09-09T19:44:04Z Guest_95843 quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-09-09T19:44:23Z deank quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-09-09T19:45:13Z pierpa: also the racketized test-suite: https://bpaste.net/show/00c2b22b11a9 2016-09-09T19:49:40Z alezost quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-09-09T19:52:54Z JoshS quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-09-09T19:54:28Z TCZ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-09-09T20:03:11Z cemerick joined #scheme 2016-09-09T20:13:07Z AlexDenisov quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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