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Or is R5RS used for this porpuse? 2016-08-30T11:23:28Z uliks: Something like a book with all concepts shortly explained 2016-08-30T11:40:30Z iskander_work: SICP is great 2016-08-30T11:51:53Z jao joined #scheme 2016-08-30T11:52:51Z rgrinberg joined #scheme 2016-08-30T11:52:55Z pierpa joined #scheme 2016-08-30T11:59:22Z Muir joined #scheme 2016-08-30T12:09:23Z z0d: SICP is a great book, but it's more about computer science than Scheme 2016-08-30T12:10:27Z z0d: you can use e.g. http://www.scheme.com/tspl4.html 2016-08-30T12:10:40Z z0d: it doesn't cover R6RS, but it's a good introduction 2016-08-30T12:10:51Z z0d: I don't know of any R6RS books. are there any? 2016-08-30T12:13:25Z qu1j0t3 also wonders where this erlang craze is going on 2016-08-30T12:15:26Z nckx joined #scheme 2016-08-30T12:26:01Z groscoe joined #scheme 2016-08-30T12:26:09Z rgrinberg quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-30T12:27:19Z rgrinberg1 joined #scheme 2016-08-30T12:31:19Z uliks: thanks. 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Most implementations would implement these as special forms instead of loading them from a library. 2016-08-30T14:57:18Z deank joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:00:17Z alezost quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-30T15:04:59Z LeoNerd: They're special in that they treat identifiers differently 2016-08-30T15:08:13Z jcowan: justinethier: Everything in r7rs is loaded from a library in principle. 2016-08-30T15:08:46Z jcowan: That's why the language of R7RS define-library forms is not Scheme: it has fixed identifiers (import, export, begin, include, etc.) 2016-08-30T15:09:23Z jcowan: Note also that a library can define both variables and syntax keywords. 2016-08-30T15:14:31Z grettke quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 2016-08-30T15:14:46Z mastokley quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-30T15:15:31Z robotoad joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:17:03Z justinethier: so in principle define, quote, set, etc should be implemented by (scheme base) as syntax? 2016-08-30T15:18:03Z jcowan: Just so 2016-08-30T15:27:12Z zacts joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:27:39Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-30T15:33:42Z JoshS joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:34:27Z alezost joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:40:52Z Khisanth joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:46:22Z badkins joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:51:52Z ggole_ joined #scheme 2016-08-30T15:54:29Z ggole quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-30T15:59:54Z jao joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:02:22Z przl joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:06:41Z civodul quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-30T16:10:20Z jshjsh joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:14:34Z JoshS quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-08-30T16:16:42Z zacts quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-30T16:22:49Z mastokley joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:28:58Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-08-30T16:29:52Z jshjsh is now known as JoshS 2016-08-30T16:34:31Z karswell quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-30T16:48:33Z fiddlerwoaroof quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-30T16:49:48Z greatscottttt quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2016-08-30T16:53:02Z fiddlerwoaroof joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:56:54Z karswell joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:57:37Z mumptai joined #scheme 2016-08-30T16:58:03Z Shadox joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:01:37Z cemerick joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:04:31Z Naraka quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-08-30T17:14:27Z csed quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-30T17:15:26Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:15:41Z JoshS quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-30T17:17:44Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-30T17:33:04Z shinra` joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:33:09Z shinra`: hello world 2016-08-30T17:33:44Z shinra`: I have a newbie question that should make you laught a little 2016-08-30T17:33:57Z Nycatelos quit (Quit: This part message was brought to you by the NSA - Proud owners of Microsoft) 2016-08-30T17:34:27Z shinra`: I'm learning scheme, and looking a merseene twister implementation, I fall upon "when" procedure/construct 2016-08-30T17:34:37Z daviid` is now known as daviid 2016-08-30T17:34:48Z shinra`: I tried to look on the «special construt» on the mit/gnu scheme manual 2016-08-30T17:34:57Z shinra`: but find nothing about it 2016-08-30T17:35:08Z pierpa: if your scheme does not have when predefined you can write the macro yourself 2016-08-30T17:35:26Z pierpa: OR you can translate manually to IF 2016-08-30T17:35:41Z shinra`: oh, that what it mean :D 2016-08-30T17:36:08Z shinra`: guile have it, but I don't undertood the meaning of it 2016-08-30T17:36:24Z pierpa: (when x y0 ...) is equivalent to (cond (x t0...)) 2016-08-30T17:36:33Z pierpa: (when x y0 ...) is equivalent to (cond (x y0...)) 2016-08-30T17:36:56Z wasamasa: (when x ...) (if x (begin ...)) 2016-08-30T17:37:23Z wasamasa: shinra`: some schemes define it, but it's not in the standard 2016-08-30T17:37:48Z wasamasa: shinra`: that's why you see loads of scheme programs that use if and begin instead 2016-08-30T17:38:04Z leppie quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-08-30T17:39:43Z shinra`: okay, thank you, I'll try to keep close to the standard and effectively translate the examples 2016-08-30T17:40:25Z pierpa: you can keep close to the standard also by writing yourself the when macro when it's missing 2016-08-30T17:41:10Z pierpa: when when can be used, usually it's much clearer to use it 2016-08-30T17:42:01Z shinra`: yeah, that's true 2016-08-30T17:44:26Z leppie joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:52:51Z nanoz joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:52:51Z nanoz quit (Changing host) 2016-08-30T17:52:51Z nanoz joined #scheme 2016-08-30T17:54:47Z justinethier quit (Quit: Page closed) 2016-08-30T17:56:10Z jcowan: shinra`: Also, when is in standards later than R5RS 2016-08-30T17:57:44Z shinra`: oh 2016-08-30T17:59:11Z shinra`: cool, I'm using R6RS 2016-08-30T18:00:20Z shinra`: thank for the advice 2016-08-30T18:02:20Z shinra`: I'm seeing, an "ash" procedure which seem to correspond to the standard «bitwise-arithmetic-shift» procedure 2016-08-30T18:02:40Z shinra`: is ash just a syntactic sugar guile have? 2016-08-30T18:03:19Z Nycatelos joined #scheme 2016-08-30T18:03:20Z wasamasa: yes 2016-08-30T18:03:43Z wasamasa: I recommend just reading one of the documents on http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/ 2016-08-30T18:03:55Z ijp: personally I'd rename it on import to something like >> 2016-08-30T18:03:56Z wasamasa: or if your scheme provides it, a document about the standard only 2016-08-30T18:04:12Z wasamasa: guile does this with an info manual 2016-08-30T18:04:27Z wasamasa: oh wait, you're speaking of r6rs 2016-08-30T18:04:58Z ecraven: mit/gnu scheme has `when' und `unless' but they aren't documented yet, probably 2016-08-30T18:05:06Z ecraven: it's been moving towards r7rs slowly in git :) 2016-08-30T18:07:22Z shinra`: Hum, would you recommand that I switch to r7rs? 2016-08-30T18:08:39Z shinra`: I read that R6RS is practical for real use, because it have a mor «real world suitable» std lib and that r7rs is a lot smaller 2016-08-30T18:09:00Z shinra`: but I don't know how much of this is trueç 2016-08-30T18:09:13Z ecraven: shinra`: r7rs is slowly gaining libraries, the process is on-going. it will in the end probably be bigger than r6rs 2016-08-30T18:10:03Z wasamasa wonders if r7rs-large will ever be finished 2016-08-30T18:10:48Z ecraven: wasamasa: I'd think so :) 2016-08-30T18:11:04Z ecraven: jcowan: is doing this duck herding (?) really well 2016-08-30T18:11:14Z ecraven: t'is cat herding, right? 2016-08-30T18:11:20Z wasamasa: I'd usually joke it will be once is, but even those come to an end 2016-08-30T18:12:05Z ecraven: wasamasa: well, it's only been in the works for a few years, can't be more than a decade or so left! 2016-08-30T18:13:27Z jcowan: Riastradh called it correctly: when the top is golden brown and the toothpick goes in and comes out clean. 2016-08-30T18:13:55Z wasamasa: first naruto, now bleach, what next? 2016-08-30T18:14:07Z jcowan: Certainly the plan is for it to bigger than r6rs and indeed bigger than the common lisp standard. 2016-08-30T18:14:28Z ecraven: jcowan: if it were coherent, things would be perfect :p 2016-08-30T18:15:39Z jcowan: It's as coherent as I can manage it with as little breaking of backward compat as possible. 2016-08-30T18:16:52Z jcowan: The Red Edition has 17 libraries; the Orange Edition will have at least 13, hopefully more. 2016-08-30T18:16:59Z jcowan: The bottleneck right now is implementations. 2016-08-30T18:19:19Z jcowan: I have a number of pre-SRFIs that need implementations, some of which I had to kick out of the Red Edition because nobody stood up. 2016-08-30T18:19:31Z jcowan: Up to a point I can do it myself, but only up to a point. 2016-08-30T18:28:25Z ecraven: jcowan: this is not criticism of you, but unifying x SRFIs with wildly different goal into one coherent whole is well nigh impossible! 2016-08-30T18:28:42Z ecraven: jcowan: did you post them anywhere? 2016-08-30T18:28:45Z jcowan: Yessss. 2016-08-30T18:29:19Z jcowan: It is impossible, which is why I'm doing it. 2016-08-30T18:29:24Z jcowan: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/scheme-reports-wg2/5TdQWW9qnUM <-- email announcement 2016-08-30T18:29:41Z jcowan: I'll update r7rs.org when I'm sure there are no objections to the library names I posted. 2016-08-30T18:30:10Z ecraven: sorry, I meant did you announce which pre-srfis you had that needed implementation? 2016-08-30T18:30:11Z jcowan: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/scheme-reports-wg2/NZA9CIMRl48 <-- proposed names 2016-08-30T18:30:17Z jcowan: Oh. 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