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2016-08-13T11:36:30Z dpk: ah, hysterical raisins 2016-08-13T11:36:56Z vimal2012: Where can I get comprehensive documentation of all the functions in scheme language (something like hyperspec for common lisp)? 2016-08-13T11:37:23Z ijp: vimal2012: in *scheme* there are so few you could write them on your hand 2016-08-13T11:37:29Z ijp: in guile, we have a manual 2016-08-13T11:38:36Z ijp: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/index.html 2016-08-13T11:47:25Z alezost joined #scheme 2016-08-13T11:50:12Z vimal2012 left #scheme 2016-08-13T12:20:28Z lexicall quit (Quit: Ah, my macbook is gonna sleep!) 2016-08-13T12:30:39Z oleo joined #scheme 2016-08-13T12:30:39Z oleo quit (Changing host) 2016-08-13T12:30:39Z oleo joined #scheme 2016-08-13T12:47:22Z pie_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T12:48:13Z pie_ quit (Changing host) 2016-08-13T12:48:13Z pie_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T12:48:27Z carleos quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-08-13T13:05:09Z Naraka joined #scheme 2016-08-13T13:07:06Z vydd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T13:08:54Z pie_: anyone care to comment on http://htdp.org/2003-09-26/ ? 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You can do Ch. 1 of SICP in just about any scheme 2016-08-13T13:41:28Z qu1j0t3 used Chicken, but Racket would be fine too 2016-08-13T13:44:59Z enderby quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T13:45:06Z enderby joined #scheme 2016-08-13T13:45:56Z pie_: apparantly there are video lectures for it too 2016-08-13T13:51:15Z qu1j0t3: yes 2016-08-13T13:59:44Z badkins joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:08:10Z MrBusiness3 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:11:26Z MrBusiness2 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:14:17Z MrBusiness3 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T14:16:53Z MrBusiness3 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:19:55Z MrBusiness2 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T14:31:09Z wtetzner joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:35:30Z lexicall quit (Quit: Ah, my macbook is gonna sleep!) 2016-08-13T14:51:15Z zacts joined #scheme 2016-08-13T14:52:34Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD and Emacs ) 2016-08-13T14:55:00Z turtleman joined #scheme 2016-08-13T15:05:21Z enderby quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-13T15:06:46Z enderby joined #scheme 2016-08-13T15:12:07Z MrBusiness2 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T15:14:57Z MrBusiness3 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T15:19:48Z lexicall joined #scheme 2016-08-13T15:20:10Z lexicall quit (Client Quit) 2016-08-13T15:25:36Z pierpa quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-13T15:26:13Z MrBusiness2 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T15:38:19Z MrBusiness2 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T15:42:55Z wtetzner quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T15:54:38Z zacts quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-13T15:57:25Z MrBusiness2 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T15:57:46Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:01:44Z MrBusiness2 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:09:25Z Kkiro quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in) 2016-08-13T16:12:51Z cemerick joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:15:56Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T16:17:09Z zacts joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:31:02Z deank quit 2016-08-13T16:34:08Z nanoz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-13T16:34:31Z nanoz joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:34:31Z nanoz quit (Changing host) 2016-08-13T16:34:31Z nanoz joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:45:19Z nanoz] joined #scheme 2016-08-13T16:46:12Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-13T16:46:25Z nanoz] quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-13T16:46:51Z nanoz quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-13T17:12:49Z Naraka quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T17:17:41Z teurastaja joined #scheme 2016-08-13T17:24:39Z Naraka joined #scheme 2016-08-13T17:25:41Z zacts quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) 2016-08-13T17:34:04Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-13T17:34:27Z tmtwd joined #scheme 2016-08-13T17:52:02Z wtetzner joined #scheme 2016-08-13T17:57:03Z wtetzner quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-13T18:06:31Z carleos joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:10:49Z Naraka quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-13T18:13:11Z Naraka joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:29:12Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-08-13T18:31:25Z carleos quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-13T18:37:07Z nisstyre joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:37:11Z nisstyre quit (Changing host) 2016-08-13T18:37:11Z nisstyre joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:38:25Z Shadox joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:44:28Z oleo joined #scheme 2016-08-13T18:55:20Z Naraka quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-08-13T19:02:27Z tristero quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T19:03:19Z tmtwd quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-13T19:03:21Z Tenhi_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T19:08:12Z Tenhi_ quit (K-Lined) 2016-08-13T19:55:24Z rockstar_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:07:18Z cemerick joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:14:39Z daviid joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:14:58Z pie_: are there any "live demo" videos of scheme for getting people motivated? basically showing cool stuff i guess 2016-08-13T20:16:02Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T20:20:35Z C-Keen: lots 2016-08-13T20:20:41Z C-Keen: youtube is full of them 2016-08-13T20:21:15Z C-Keen: There are some live coding talks from andy wingo from FOSDEM IIRC for example 2016-08-13T20:21:22Z shymega quit (Quit: (let ((quit #f)) (when quit (display "Quitting..\n")))) 2016-08-13T20:21:30Z pie_: ok ill check that out thanks 2016-08-13T20:21:49Z shymega joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:29:13Z Carisius quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T20:32:14Z DeeEff[m]: pie_: depends on what you're looking for too. Lots of stuff in Clojure also applies to Scheme, and you can find tons of videos if you just look at the right conference for the right topic. 2016-08-13T20:35:43Z daviid: pie_: http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ 2016-08-13T20:36:13Z wtetzner joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:37:08Z ecraven: is there any Scheme good for embedding into C/++ (what Lua is often used for) better than chibi or guile (those are the two I've looked at)? 2016-08-13T20:38:12Z dpk: 'better' in what way? 2016-08-13T20:40:54Z enderby quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-13T20:41:00Z enderby joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:43:30Z pie_: in general :P you know, what these usually mean 2016-08-13T20:43:31Z pierpa joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:45:03Z dpk: well, i mean, more lightweight? faster? 2016-08-13T20:45:15Z dpk: or more featureful? 2016-08-13T20:47:17Z ggole_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:50:23Z ggole quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-13T20:50:50Z daviid: ecraven: guile has no ffi for C++, you'd need to C-wrap C++ api(s), as they do it for vigra, for example: https://github.com/BSeppke/vigra_c/ 2016-08-13T20:53:14Z rgrinberg joined #scheme 2016-08-13T20:54:34Z pie_: :I 2016-08-13T20:54:49Z pie_: that doesnt sound very goof 2016-08-13T20:54:51Z pie_: *good 2016-08-13T20:55:08Z daviid: pie_: it is very good 2016-08-13T20:56:13Z daviid: it is C++ which is not good :), but anyway, it is the way, look at the link, and there is a common lisp and racket binding for vigra, afaict 2016-08-13T20:56:18Z wtetzner quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T21:00:04Z rockstar_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-13T21:09:37Z mokuso joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:09:37Z mokuso quit (Changing host) 2016-08-13T21:09:37Z mokuso joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:11:29Z pie_: looking at the high level abstractions that are the goals for stuff, man im not sure im going to be able to do that for a while XP it wasnt easy (with what little experience i have) to do good abstractions in other languages, i dont think i can anymore :D 2016-08-13T21:11:47Z pie_: well time will tell 2016-08-13T21:12:49Z teurastaja quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-13T21:16:02Z wtetzner joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:24:40Z teurastaja joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:25:53Z [1]ringer1 joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:27:07Z ringer1 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-13T21:27:07Z [1]ringer1 is now known as ringer1 2016-08-13T21:33:17Z DeeEff[m]: ecraven: CHICKEN seems to work pretty well 2016-08-13T21:33:31Z DeeEff[m]: if you're willing to use COOPS you can wrap C++ classes into COOPS types 2016-08-13T21:34:06Z DeeEff[m]: although you run into some of the same problems as guile does with having to wrap C++ APIs with C. 2016-08-13T21:38:27Z teurastaja quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-13T21:54:56Z noethics joined #scheme 2016-08-13T21:58:37Z carleos joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:06:50Z jim: ringer1, you need to identify to services to speak here 2016-08-13T22:07:52Z jim: oops wrong win 2016-08-13T22:07:57Z jim: sorry nm 2016-08-13T22:08:22Z Naraka joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:12:10Z wasamasa: DeeEff[m]: it's useful to not have to wrap C++ types into something different, but other than that... 2016-08-13T22:13:26Z ggole_ quit 2016-08-13T22:14:47Z carleos_ joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:15:27Z carleos_ quit (Client Quit) 2016-08-13T22:22:53Z daviid: that's not the problem folks, the problem is C++ exceptions are not 'captable' by libffi, so you need to wrap to catch exception(s) ... https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2015-03/msg00015.html 2016-08-13T22:24:22Z wasamasa: ouch 2016-08-13T22:25:37Z wasamasa: this is the place where I'd consider checked exceptions a good thing 2016-08-13T22:30:59Z phax joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:34:06Z daviid: jim: generic function multi method polimorphic dispatch multiple inheritance oop systems such as clos and goops are the 'right win', if and when you need inheritance, then use such an oop system (anything elase is a joke, imo) 2016-08-13T22:42:01Z wtetzner quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-13T22:43:21Z wtetzner joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:47:34Z phax quit (Quit: phax) 2016-08-13T22:50:25Z teurastaja joined #scheme 2016-08-13T22:59:12Z jim: daviid, I just meant he doesn't need to be logged into nickserv to speak here 2016-08-13T23:03:14Z daviid: jim: haha! 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