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2016-06-19T02:37:52Z teurastaja: (for-each ping! people-list)
2016-06-19T02:38:13Z teurastaja: sup guys?
2016-06-19T02:38:17Z teurastaja: and girls?
2016-06-19T02:38:27Z teurastaja: if any
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2016-06-19T03:13:46Z foof: others?
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2016-06-19T03:16:47Z teurastaja: hey
2016-06-19T03:17:04Z teurastaja: its dead in here dont try to wake them up i tried
2016-06-19T03:17:41Z teurastaja: i summun thee great warlocks of the eval/apply
2016-06-19T03:17:51Z teurastaja: *summon
2016-06-19T03:19:33Z teurastaja: rudybot: ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x)))
2016-06-19T03:19:44Z rudybot: teurastaja: error: with-limit: out of time
2016-06-19T03:20:04Z teurastaja: :(
2016-06-19T03:21:10Z teurastaja: rudybot: say something about serendipity
2016-06-19T03:21:11Z rudybot: teurastaja: Serendipity
2016-06-19T03:21:38Z teurastaja: damn that was profound
2016-06-19T03:23:50Z teurastaja: rudybot: are jealous about Siri or Google Now?
2016-06-19T03:23:51Z rudybot: teurastaja: the siri commercial uses "what i say" by ray charles for the music
2016-06-19T03:24:18Z teurastaja: rudybot lacks sensitivity
2016-06-19T03:24:32Z teurastaja: so as the other bots
2016-06-19T03:28:12Z teurastaja: rudybot: sentientp
2016-06-19T03:28:12Z rudybot: teurastaja: Any day now
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2016-06-19T03:33:12Z teurastaja: rudybot: botsnack
2016-06-19T03:33:12Z rudybot: mmm ... cheesesteak ...
2016-06-19T03:33:15Z teurastaja: rudybot: botsnack
2016-06-19T03:33:15Z rudybot: come on man, one more. I need my fix!
2016-06-19T03:33:17Z teurastaja: rudybot: botsnack
2016-06-19T03:33:17Z rudybot: thank you!
2016-06-19T03:33:20Z teurastaja: rudybot: botsnack
2016-06-19T03:33:20Z rudybot: OMG that's just what I needed LOL
2016-06-19T03:33:21Z teurastaja: rudybot: botsnack
2016-06-19T03:33:22Z rudybot dances happily
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2016-06-19T03:34:38Z teurastaja: rudybot: later tell rudybot rudybot: later tell rudybot
2016-06-19T03:34:38Z rudybot: teurastaja: I asked `MemoServ' to forward the message to rudybot.
2016-06-19T03:35:58Z teurastaja: rudybot: later tell MemoServ rudybot: later tell MemoServ
2016-06-19T03:35:58Z rudybot: teurastaja: I asked `MemoServ' to forward the message to MemoServ.
2016-06-19T03:37:27Z teurastaja: MemoServ: later tell MemoServ rudybot: later tell MemoServ
2016-06-19T03:38:27Z teurastaja: im bored... my neural network probably outputs shit
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2016-06-19T03:40:45Z teurastaja: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mYkmcw2iYulcmdgFKprnLRZwaoMy5r5bKfev4tHzK7M
2016-06-19T03:40:45Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/alNydMumDM
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2016-06-19T12:49:49Z BW^-: what are interesting object databases and research on the same?
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2016-06-19T15:03:36Z BW^-: what are interesting object databases and research on the same?
2016-06-19T15:07:01Z wasamasa: people use object databases?
2016-06-19T15:07:10Z wasamasa: I thought it's all ORMs now
2016-06-19T15:07:32Z wasamasa: https://github.com/rails/arel
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2016-06-19T15:24:30Z BW^-: wasamasa: ORM as in SQL?
2016-06-19T15:24:54Z wasamasa: BW^-: yes, it translates object storage/access to mostly equivalent sql
2016-06-19T15:25:13Z wasamasa: there is obviously some impedance mismatch involved
2016-06-19T15:27:09Z BW^-: wasamasa: and how is the object storage done?
2016-06-19T15:27:36Z BW^-: wasamasa: you mean reference using ID:s, and marshalling between object structure content (in the VM) and SQL columns
2016-06-19T15:27:44Z BW^-: wasamasa: so that is, "(Java) Hibernate library"-style?
2016-06-19T15:27:58Z wasamasa: BW^-: these typically provide helpers for setting up tables for storing object instances
2016-06-19T15:28:17Z wasamasa: yup
2016-06-19T15:28:17Z BW^-: wasamasa: right. anyhow that is not what i'm looking for today.
2016-06-19T15:28:29Z BW^-: wasamasa: but pure object database, similar to.. Java DB4O I think it's called
2016-06-19T15:29:43Z wasamasa: hm: http://www.zodb.org/en/latest/
2016-06-19T15:30:49Z wasamasa: lol: http://db-engines.com/en/ranking/object+oriented+dbms
2016-06-19T15:31:27Z wasamasa: nearly all of these are commercial
2016-06-19T15:31:58Z wasamasa: or rather, proprietary
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2016-06-19T15:42:48Z BW^-: aha
2016-06-19T15:43:33Z BW^-: wasamasa: so nothing particular in Scheme or Lisp to your knowledge
2016-06-19T15:44:01Z BW^-: LOL why? :)
2016-06-19T15:44:59Z BW^-: wasamasa: ?
2016-06-19T15:46:53Z wasamasa: well, I knew none of these, that's why
2016-06-19T15:47:44Z BW^-: haha aha
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2016-06-19T15:49:19Z BW^-: wasamasa: btw, really OT, Lightning DB ("LMDB") is based on an MMAP. that is how it reads and writes. no file IO.
2016-06-19T15:49:28Z BW^-: that should be blazingly fast compared with other DB:s, really, don't you think?
2016-06-19T15:49:59Z BW^-: also, anything more on the topic of how to use a query language on an object database, e.g. like https://github.com/rails/arel ?
2016-06-19T15:52:25Z wasamasa: arel is the basis of rails activerecord ORM
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2016-06-19T15:52:46Z wasamasa: the reason I've linked to it is because arel allows for doing better than using activerecord
2016-06-19T15:52:58Z wasamasa: or in other words, the API is less terrible
2016-06-19T15:55:28Z BW^-: ok
2016-06-19T15:57:17Z wasamasa: I'm sure there are some lisp databases serializing objects around
2016-06-19T15:57:22Z wasamasa: I recall some on cliki
2016-06-19T15:57:40Z wasamasa: also, a talk about how one does lower-level programming in it for implementing a database
2016-06-19T15:58:49Z BW^-: hmm
2016-06-19T15:58:50Z BW^-: aha
2016-06-19T15:58:57Z BW^-: wasamasa: how would you like to implement indexes in an object db?
2016-06-19T15:59:19Z wasamasa: no idea
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2016-06-19T16:00:01Z BW^-: ok
2016-06-19T16:03:08Z wasamasa: http://cliki.net/ObjectStore
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2016-06-19T16:05:58Z BW^-: cool ok
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2016-06-19T16:50:50Z teurastaja: can gauche make compiled exe standalone programs?
2016-06-19T16:51:02Z teurastaja: if not what can?
2016-06-19T16:51:22Z teurastaja: i also need to add a gui which must run on windows
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2016-06-19T17:06:14Z BW^-: wasamasa: thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic!
2016-06-19T17:06:23Z wasamasa: BW^-: you're welcome
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2016-06-19T17:07:32Z teurastaja: anyone made a gui with gauche?
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2016-06-19T17:20:35Z teurastaja: anyone here at all?
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2016-06-19T17:43:56Z funrep: hi, anyone got any recommended vim plugins for scheme programming?
2016-06-19T17:45:33Z funrep: paredit and tslime looks useful
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2016-06-19T17:53:25Z gigglypuff: Are the chapters after chapter 2 in SICP increasingly difficult (compared to chapters1 and 2) or about the same? I've read that the following chapters aren't as math-heavy as chapters 1 and 2.
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2016-06-19T17:54:59Z ijp: more difficult, but less maths dependent in general
2016-06-19T17:55:59Z teurastaja: they should make a channel on SICP; half the convos are about that
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2016-06-19T18:01:00Z gigglypuff: ijp: More difficult how so? I'm scared now, because chapters 1 and 2 have been what I would call brainfucks.
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2016-06-19T18:10:54Z ijp: chapter 3 introduces mutability, message passing and laziness
2016-06-19T18:11:13Z ijp: 4 and 5 are about implementating languages
2016-06-19T18:11:24Z ijp: implementating -_-
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2016-06-19T18:17:03Z ijp: don't worry too much. If you can make it through 1 and 2, you can make it through 3, and 4 and 5 will suck you in anyway
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