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Incidentially, this is about srfi-4 2016-06-13T14:01:53Z ecraven: guile allows accessing a u16vector with u8vector-ref, but chicken doesn't 2016-06-13T14:02:05Z ecraven: the srfi doesn't specify anything there, as far as I understand it 2016-06-13T14:13:47Z ecraven: I've now implemented it as bit-banging, with masks and shifts 2016-06-13T14:21:08Z galex-713 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-13T14:21:16Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-06-13T14:23:18Z alchmzt joined #scheme 2016-06-13T14:26:23Z taylan: ecraven: (rnrs bytevectors) has accessors that may error on unaligned access, but so long as the 32b int is aligned, its two halves are also aligned, so that might work. 2016-06-13T14:26:28Z Riastradh: ecraven: What are you trying to do by breaking strict aliasing rules? 2016-06-13T14:26:33Z galex-713 joined #scheme 2016-06-13T14:26:50Z ecraven: Riastradh: I'm not breaking them any more :) 2016-06-13T14:27:22Z ecraven: Riastradh: but the point is to allow the following: (u8vector-ref (u32vector #x01020304) 3) 2016-06-13T14:27:38Z Riastradh: What would you want that to yield? #x04 or #x01? 2016-06-13T14:27:54Z Riastradh: (or #x02 or #x03) 2016-06-13T14:28:05Z ecraven: that would depend on the endianness, I guess :) 2016-06-13T14:28:11Z ecraven: thus it would have been nice if srfi-4 said anything about this 2016-06-13T14:28:19Z Riastradh: So you want it to depend on the host byte order. 2016-06-13T14:28:38Z ecraven: I don't necessarily want that, but right now, for my implementation, it does 2016-06-13T14:31:40Z arbv quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-13T14:34:11Z gwatt: If you want to never care about endianness you can use bit masks/shifts. 2016-06-13T14:43:34Z tmtwd joined #scheme 2016-06-13T14:47:29Z robotoad quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2016-06-13T18:07:12Z wasamasa: did you try C-x C-e? 2016-06-13T18:07:30Z dmiles joined #scheme 2016-06-13T18:07:34Z ecraven: wasamasa: that inserts into the buffer 2016-06-13T18:07:43Z wasamasa: why.gif 2016-06-13T18:08:09Z ecraven: xtristan: the command you want is `eval-last-sexp' 2016-06-13T18:08:13Z ecraven: it is not bound to any key by default 2016-06-13T18:08:25Z ecraven: wasamasa: because this is edwin :) 2016-06-13T18:08:29Z wasamasa: jeez 2016-06-13T18:08:43Z wasamasa: to think that I've been asked whether I'd like to port it to CHICKEN... 2016-06-13T18:08:46Z ecraven: things were different in the olden days, right? :D 2016-06-13T18:08:52Z wasamasa: uhuh 2016-06-13T18:09:04Z ecraven: well, there's a lot of very good things in it, but there's bound to be some cruft as well 2016-06-13T18:09:05Z wasamasa: speaking of olden days 2016-06-13T18:09:19Z wasamasa: it appears that the stalin author signed up on stackexchange: http://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/23935/emacs-lucid-vs-gtk-and-iconic-xrm 2016-06-13T18:09:19Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/I2hcl2VMk0 2016-06-13T18:11:41Z xtristan: escaraven: is there a way to execute arbitrary commands line that? 2016-06-13T18:12:17Z ecraven: xtristan: well, you can always run it with M-x eval-last-sexp, like in emacs 2016-06-13T18:12:23Z xtristan: thank you and wasamasa by the way. i'm just starting out with The Little Schemer and realized that I need to get more comfortable with the editor 2016-06-13T18:12:24Z ecraven: and you can bind it to something :) 2016-06-13T18:12:51Z xtristan: yes, like in emacs *chuckles nervously and slides vim under carpet* 2016-06-13T18:13:46Z xtristan: This is really helpful; the M-x … construction just made a lot of things make sense. Thank you again. 2016-06-13T18:14:48Z ecraven: xtristan: maybe type C-h t (hold control, hit h, release control, hit t) to go through the tutorial once? 2016-06-13T18:14:54Z ecraven: that will make edwin much easier to use 2016-06-13T18:16:27Z xtristan: I didn't know how to get to this tutorial. Thank you. 2016-06-13T18:17:53Z ecraven: if you start up edwin, it should say how to get to the tutorial right in the buffer you see 2016-06-13T18:19:20Z xtristan: So it does. 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I thought from the perspective of "doing it easily" 2016-06-13T19:50:29Z wasamasa: lol 2016-06-13T19:50:34Z fantazo: not the "but but PERFORMANCE!!" 2016-06-13T19:50:34Z wasamasa: I wouldn't use gimp then :D 2016-06-13T19:51:15Z fantazo: wasamasa, what would you use instead on a gnu/linux system? 2016-06-13T19:51:22Z wasamasa: wine photoshop.exe 2016-06-13T19:52:09Z wasamasa: I'm obviously biased as I've used photoshop for years 2016-06-13T19:52:13Z fantazo: oh come on. photoshop is also a crappy software. 2016-06-13T19:52:21Z wasamasa: and even after tweaking gimp, there's loads of shortcomings in it compared to that 2016-06-13T19:53:15Z wasamasa: if all I were doing was digital painting or vector art, I'd probably be happier with krita or inkscape, but this is not how it goes 2016-06-13T19:53:33Z fantazo: sure. still I don't use photoshop, when that means I need to emulate it or can't afford it. 2016-06-13T19:54:43Z ecraven: as always, it seems to depend a lot on what you want to do... for some things, gimp is fine, for some, it might even be better than photoshop :) 2016-06-13T19:55:05Z wasamasa: gimp is for instance better at doing gif animation 2016-06-13T19:55:18Z wasamasa: but the instant I want to render text, I just flip a table and use photoshop 2016-06-13T19:56:45Z ecraven: wasamasa: I go to inkscape for that :) but then, I'm not doing this professionally 2016-06-13T19:57:02Z stepnem quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-06-13T19:58:06Z grettke joined #scheme 2016-06-13T19:58:35Z wasamasa: ecraven: you do image macros with inkscape? 2016-06-13T19:58:58Z fantazo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2016-06-13T19:59:05Z ecraven: what's an image macro :) 2016-06-13T19:59:17Z ecraven: can't I do that by generating svg code with scheme, and rendering it with inkscape? 2016-06-13T19:59:27Z jefrite quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T19:59:37Z ecraven: I've used that to do a set of cards for a board game, based on lots of layers 2016-06-13T20:00:42Z wasamasa: some heavily reused photo with a white font below it 2016-06-13T20:00:58Z wasamasa: usually Impact 2016-06-13T20:01:28Z wasamasa: here's why gimp is terrible at these: http://brause.cc/yooo.png 2016-06-13T20:04:08Z stepnem joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:09:52Z ecraven: ah, those motivational poster things? 2016-06-13T20:09:57Z wasamasa: yes 2016-06-13T20:09:57Z Neet quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T20:11:15Z rx80 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-06-13T20:11:26Z Neet joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:13:06Z alezost quit (Quit: I live in GuixSD and Emacs ) 2016-06-13T20:13:11Z dsmith_ joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:13:20Z Blukunfando quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T20:14:41Z leot joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:18:12Z nilg quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-13T20:20:46Z ReductioAdAbsurd joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:26:03Z civodul joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:30:03Z strykerkkd joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:31:27Z rx80 joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:36:56Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:38:30Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-13T20:41:37Z daviid joined #scheme 2016-06-13T20:53:29Z mumptai quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2016-06-13T21:00:35Z bokr joined #scheme 2016-06-13T21:00:47Z andrewvic joined #scheme 2016-06-13T21:00:56Z badkins quit 2016-06-13T21:09:43Z cemerick quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-06-13T21:17:14Z mejja joined #scheme 2016-06-13T21:19:45Z mokuso quit (Quit: avrio pale) 2016-06-13T21:27:25Z ASau joined #scheme 2016-06-13T21:33:03Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-06-13T21:43:11Z xtristan quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-06-13T21:43:57Z TheLemonMan quit (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 2016-06-13T21:45:12Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-13T21:56:35Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T21:56:42Z bokr quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-06-13T21:57:28Z logicmoo joined #scheme 2016-06-13T21:59:30Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T22:00:28Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-06-13T22:02:11Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)) 2016-06-13T22:17:20Z mejja quit (Quit: A week of coding can often save an hour of thought) 2016-06-13T22:25:38Z ASau` joined #scheme 2016-06-13T22:29:13Z andrewvic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-06-13T22:29:15Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-06-13T22:29:26Z andrewvic joined #scheme 2016-06-13T22:37:23Z bjz_ quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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