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2016-06-06T08:01:30Z ecraven: jcowan: regarding ArraysCowan, in array-for-each, does the first or the last element of index vary fastest?
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2016-06-06T11:49:00Z xificurC: could someone recommend which implementation to use for scripting? E.g. rewriting bash scripts into runnable scheme scripts (expecting fast startup time and libraries). I found gauche to be nice but want to hear some opinions:)
2016-06-06T11:49:47Z jackdaniel: guile is an official GNU extension language and is adopted by guixsd
2016-06-06T11:49:59Z jackdaniel: s/guixsd/guix/
2016-06-06T11:50:21Z jackdaniel: you may try with that as well if you are curious about the options
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2016-06-06T12:01:35Z ecraven: jcowan: also, shouldn't n in array-reduce be the size of the bounds, not 1, by default? unless it does something different than the left parameter of reduce in APL
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2016-06-06T18:48:06Z tm512: I guess picrin doesn't support being used as a library, just builds an interpreter binary. it's like every lightweight scheme implementation has some dealbreaker
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2016-06-06T19:02:59Z gwatt: s9fes has an embeddable core.
2016-06-06T19:06:44Z tm512: hmm, haven't tried that or scheme48 yet, I started by looking at r7rs implementations
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2016-06-06T19:27:51Z ecraven: tm512: benchmarks indicate s9fes is *very* slow, however, it seems interesting nonetheless!
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2016-06-06T19:29:30Z gwatt: s9fes is also only r4rss
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2016-06-06T19:38:29Z jcowan: chibi is r7rs and embeddable
2016-06-06T19:39:31Z jcowan: ecraven: In ArraysCowan, the endpoint is always exclusive, and ordering (when there is any) is always with the last element varying fastest
2016-06-06T19:39:47Z jcowan: I have some changes on paper that I need to put in on line including those
2016-06-06T19:40:13Z tm512: I tried chibi. something is broken in how it works with strings. the offset that it adds to the string's pointer is massive, causing a segfault
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2016-06-06T19:42:05Z jcowan: tm512: What are you trying to do?  Did you file a bug?  The low-level chibi string API has changed recently
2016-06-06T19:43:07Z tm512: I also found the API quite difficult to work with. feels like it wants to force me to embed C in chibi, but I want to do the reverse
2016-06-06T19:44:23Z tm512: I'm trying to embed it in an IRC bot. I have a struct channel_s { const char *name, *key };
2016-06-06T19:45:18Z tm512: with the ffi I have a (channel name key) constructor defined
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2016-06-06T19:47:44Z tm512: anyway, it's adding 26427168 to the key's string pointer
2016-06-06T19:48:28Z jcowan: are you using HEAD?
2016-06-06T19:48:59Z tm512: 0.7.3
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2016-06-06T19:51:54Z tm512: I think chibi needs some user-accessible way to make modules from within C. I have to give that up when I compile the output of chibi-ffi directly into my program
2016-06-06T19:53:56Z jcowan: If you looking in lib/chibi you can see examples of this: the .sld file is in Scheme
2016-06-06T19:54:02Z jcowan: s/looking/look
2016-06-06T19:55:22Z tm512: seems like that only works when you compile chibi-ffi's output into a shared library
2016-06-06T19:57:21Z tm512: I guess I should clarify, I think the API should have define-library functionality
2016-06-06T19:59:16Z tm512: I'll try linking against HEAD, I guess
2016-06-06T19:59:44Z jcowan: Right, I understand.  Definitely file that as an issue, then
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2016-06-06T19:59:54Z jcowan: Chibi's embeddability somewhat predates R7RS
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2016-06-06T20:03:41Z tm512: anyway, I have a function called channels, that turns a list of channels (or channel-key pairs), something like '(("#locked" "key") "#something"), into a list of the structs, which are iterated over and joined upon successful connection (on the C side)
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2016-06-06T20:08:41Z tm512: well, now it just crashes on sexp_load
2016-06-06T20:09:20Z tm512: with HEAD, that is. I'll recompile without optimization so I can actually see what is happening, I guess
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2016-06-06T20:12:48Z jcowan: foof is very helpful (hard to catch on IRC, but very responsive to email)
2016-06-06T20:13:12Z jcowan: also, joining the mailing list is a good idea, as you are probably not going where no one has gone before
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2016-06-06T20:14:13Z jcowan: tm512: ^^
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2016-06-06T20:28:25Z jcowan: Well, it's fast, small, and R7RS.
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2016-06-06T20:55:28Z samth: wingo: links to that blog are sadly self-unrecommending
2016-06-06T20:55:31Z tm512: yeah, but it doesn't work properly for me out of the box, I've already spent a few hours on trial and error to get to the point where it's crashing here. I'd rather be writing my own code right now, instead of struggling to get someone else's working. :/
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2016-06-06T20:58:36Z wingo: samth: what do you mean? :)
2016-06-06T20:58:54Z samth: wingo: jon harrop, notorious troll of a wide variety of language communities
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2016-06-06T20:59:19Z wingo: ah
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2016-06-06T21:01:43Z ijp: is he still on F#? or has he moved to something newer?
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2016-06-06T21:09:11Z jcowan: First ghit for ["jon harrop" troll] is about Xah Lee as well
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2016-06-06T21:10:49Z jcowan: Prohias, Troll vs. Troll
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