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2015-12-18T01:16:13Z zacts: LeoNerd: How difficult might it be to use scheme from Perl5?
2015-12-18T01:16:31Z zacts: like could you glue a scheme program and use it from Perl5 fairly easily?
2015-12-18T01:16:54Z zacts: and would this ever require a C level FFI?
2015-12-18T01:17:10Z zacts: I'm thinking for example, I wonder about using a chicken scheme egg (module) from Perl5.
2015-12-18T01:17:30Z zacts: but please forgive me if this question is too naive
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2015-12-18T03:46:33Z kephra: zacts, I would love the other way round: using Perl DBI/DBD from Chicken
2015-12-18T03:46:49Z kephra: ... or a useable database abstraction for Chicken as an egg
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2015-12-18T06:22:25Z niboot: any chibi experts awake? i'm getting undefined variable for er-macro-transformer and can't work out why :/
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2015-12-18T06:35:06Z lambda-11235: Can you post the code/error (http://lpaste.net/)?
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2015-12-18T06:49:46Z niboot: lambda-11235: http://lpaste.net/147314
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2015-12-18T07:08:25Z lambda-11235: I'm not a chibi user, but isn't exit supposed to be renamed with r?
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2015-12-18T07:10:02Z niboot: probably, i'm just trying to learn the macro transformers and googled for example code... was surprised that it came up with that error, and then can't work out why when er-macro-transformer is used everywhere in the chibi libs
2015-12-18T07:14:42Z niboot: copying the and macro from chibi's init-7.scm (and renaming to 'myand') fails with the same error, so i'm not sure it's the fault of the code itself
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2015-12-18T07:20:29Z lambda-11235: Unfortunetly I don't have chibi scheme installed, but this works on Chicken (http://lpaste.net/147315).
2015-12-18T07:20:41Z lambda-11235: Does it work on chibi?
2015-12-18T07:22:25Z niboot: i assume you didn't paste all the )'s ? but no, same error on undefined variable 'er-macro-transformer'
2015-12-18T07:26:12Z lambda-11235: Sorry that was your original example, here's the Chicken version http://lpaste.net/147316.
2015-12-18T07:26:33Z lambda-11235: I forgot vim doesn't copy to the clipboard by default. :)
2015-12-18T07:27:12Z niboot: same error anyway :/
2015-12-18T07:28:29Z lambda-11235: Try writing a macro that expands its body to something trivial like (if #t 0).
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2015-12-18T07:29:25Z niboot: i would if i understood how these macros work :) the whole point was trying to understand by tinkering from examples...
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2015-12-18T07:32:23Z lambda-11235: Try defining (define-syntax foo (er-macro-transformer (lambda (x r c) `(,(r 'if) #t 0)))).
2015-12-18T07:33:49Z niboot: same error, undefined variable: er-macro-transformer *shrug*
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2015-12-18T07:36:29Z lambda-11235: I think it may be that chibi doesn't support er-macro-transformer, or it needs a plugin.
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2015-12-18T07:36:51Z lambda-11235: Do you have any other lisp implementation on your computer?
2015-12-18T07:38:17Z niboot: sure, and i've tested your code (and the original) in chicken, both work fine there, so clearly it's something i'm missing in chibi
2015-12-18T07:41:24Z niboot: aha, adding a (import (chibi)) makes it work, so i guess whatever is in the chibi meta library is defining er-macro-transformer
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2015-12-18T07:46:03Z niboot: unless (import (chibi)) just does (import (chibi *))?
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2015-12-18T22:29:50Z n_blownapart: hello I'm having trouble installing racket on mac osx mountain lion. does it require a bash script?
2015-12-18T22:30:19Z n_blownapart: I have it nicely installed on two linux machines.. ^^
2015-12-18T22:30:28Z wasamasa: you'll generally have trouble installing things originating from linux on os x
2015-12-18T22:31:03Z n_blownapart: I believe its installed...just cannot launch wasamasa
2015-12-18T22:31:16Z pjb: n_blownapart: file $(which racket)
2015-12-18T22:31:59Z n_blownapart: pjb  the repl works fine, I just cannot launch drracket via icons or from the cli
2015-12-18T22:32:26Z pjb: Did you install a racket.app or do you expect a gui from a racket binary?
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2015-12-18T22:33:00Z n_blownapart: pjb normally I use the cli
2015-12-18T22:33:17Z pjb: You might want to install and run X11.app then (XQuartz).
2015-12-18T22:33:31Z pjb: Then you'll have a X11 display on which to run X11 GUIs.
2015-12-18T22:33:59Z pjb: n_blownapart: but usually, people install a MacOSX specific application.
2015-12-18T22:34:52Z n_blownapart: I installed a .dmg image from the racket site. pjb. I think X11.app is installed (its in .bashrc PATH variable)
2015-12-18T22:35:05Z n_blownapart: thanks I'll check it out. pjb wasamasa
2015-12-18T22:37:58Z pjb: n_blownapart: you can launch an app with the open(1) command. Try:  open /Applications/Racket.app
2015-12-18T22:38:48Z n_blownapart: thanks pjb I affirmed that X11 is installed. trying your suggestion
2015-12-18T22:40:41Z pjb: n_blownapart: to use x11, once launched, you need to export DISPLAY=:0.0
2015-12-18T22:40:46Z pjb: in the shell.
2015-12-18T22:41:03Z pjb: If you use xterm in X11.app, then it's already definde.
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2015-12-18T22:42:18Z n_blownapart: pjb what do you mean: 'once launched' ?
2015-12-18T22:42:53Z n_blownapart: I will put that export line in the .bashrc in the mean time.
2015-12-18T22:43:24Z pjb: Once you have launched X11.app
2015-12-18T22:44:28Z n_blownapart: ok I assume I can just configure .bashrc with that.
2015-12-18T22:44:30Z n_blownapart: thanks
2015-12-18T22:44:48Z pjb: You may also have to click on Allow connections from network clients in XQuartz Preferences / Security; otherwise you would have to use a DISPLAY=path-to-some-socket
2015-12-18T22:49:55Z pjb: Well it would be: open '/Applications/Racket v6.3/Drracket.app'
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2015-12-18T23:05:47Z pjb: n_blownapart: well, drracket doesn't seem to be a X11 unix program, but a MacOSX application, so you don't need X11 for it.  You would need X11 for edwin in mit-scheme.
2015-12-18T23:06:58Z n_blownapart: thanks kindly I got it working pjb. I have general problems with my fs on mac. working on them... and now git ! pax
2015-12-18T23:07:41Z n_blownapart: by the way, I'm going through little schemer. interesting and exciting !
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