2015-05-11T00:01:04Z jao joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:01:56Z cmatei joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:03:19Z doljee: I want to go through sicp. Should I use mit-scheme or dr racket (or maybe dr scheme)? 2015-05-11T00:03:52Z zacts: doljee: there is someone here, I can't remember their nick, who recommends mit-scheme. others have been fine with guile, and I think racket has some sicp modules too 2015-05-11T00:04:34Z doljee: yea i was reading hn and it seems like people were recommending mit-scheme too. Thanks. I'll try it first 2015-05-11T00:04:58Z zacts: well, personally I would go with guile 2015-05-11T00:05:02Z zacts: that's what I'm using 2015-05-11T00:07:50Z doljee: how come you choose to use guile as opposed to dr* and mit-scheme? I'll google it now 2015-05-11T00:08:36Z Pixel_Outlaw: mit-scheme provides an emacs clone if I recall correctly. 2015-05-11T00:08:40Z zacts: doljee: well, just because I think guile is more well maintained 2015-05-11T00:08:45Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: yeah edwin 2015-05-11T00:08:56Z mikeyhc: I went through with CHICKEN, has a nice sicp egg 2015-05-11T00:09:03Z zacts: and edwin is actually used in the original archive.org SICP lectures 2015-05-11T00:09:14Z zacts: oh cool miky 2015-05-11T00:09:17Z zacts: mikeyhc: 2015-05-11T00:09:22Z zacts: :-/ 2015-05-11T00:09:24Z zacts: typo 2015-05-11T00:09:43Z zacts: doljee: an egg, is what chicken scheme users call modules 2015-05-11T00:09:49Z zacts: it's like a chicken scheme module plugin 2015-05-11T00:09:52Z doljee: i was just gonna ask 2015-05-11T00:09:54Z doljee: thanks :) 2015-05-11T00:10:04Z Pixel_Outlaw: I seem to recall some drawing features in mit-scheme so perhaps you could even do the "picture language" bit of SICP 2015-05-11T00:10:05Z doljee: was confused for a moment haha 2015-05-11T00:10:13Z doljee: yea i saw that chapter 2015-05-11T00:10:21Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: oh interesting, I didn't know about mit-scheme providing a picture language 2015-05-11T00:10:42Z Pixel_Outlaw: I created a window and was able to draw some shapes inside. 2015-05-11T00:11:12Z Pixel_Outlaw: http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-ref/Drawing-Graphics.html 2015-05-11T00:11:13Z rudybot: http://eensy.teensy.info/qeZbcWdrNG 2015-05-11T00:11:29Z doljee: zacts: is guile emacs-like as well? 2015-05-11T00:11:48Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2015-05-11T00:12:16Z zacts: no guile is not an emacs clone, it's a scheme interpreter 2015-05-11T00:12:25Z doljee: okay, thanks 2015-05-11T00:12:31Z zacts: edwin is an app that comes with the mit-scheme source that is an editor 2015-05-11T00:12:37Z zacts: (written in mit-scheme) 2015-05-11T00:13:10Z zacts: whoa cool interesting Pixel_Outlaw 2015-05-11T00:13:16Z Pixel_Outlaw kicks back and indulges in Scherlock's theme from the series of the same name. 2015-05-11T00:13:55Z Pixel_Outlaw: zacts, I'm no pro by any means. Just toyed around a bit after I stumbled across the possibility. 2015-05-11T00:14:52Z Pixel_Outlaw: I still want a mature Lisp/Scheme drawing library that is not another C binding. 2015-05-11T00:14:57Z Pixel_Outlaw: And fast too. 2015-05-11T00:15:29Z doljee: ah ok 2015-05-11T00:15:37Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: actually I think davexunit borrowed some of the ideas from the SICP picture language in one of his 2D game libraries 2015-05-11T00:15:43Z Pixel_Outlaw: Hopefully people wrapping libraries start commenting their code better, especially on the Common Lisp side. 2015-05-11T00:15:45Z zacts: davexunit: please correct me if I'm wrong 2015-05-11T00:15:55Z zacts: for guile 2015-05-11T00:17:32Z Pixel_Outlaw: doljee, if you are doing SICP from the video you'll want your fez and overcoat to show proper respect when the enlightening part starts. 2015-05-11T00:18:01Z Pixel_Outlaw: Or you can dress like one of the wizards on the cover of the book. 2015-05-11T00:18:02Z doljee: haha fosho 2015-05-11T00:18:22Z karswell` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-05-11T00:18:32Z karswell` joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:18:59Z doljee: I am planning on watching the lectures from mit 2015-05-11T00:19:08Z doljee: i saw that berkeley has some uploaded too 2015-05-11T00:19:16Z doljee: is there one that is recommended over the other? 2015-05-11T00:19:24Z Pixel_Outlaw: Hmmm one of the others professor was not nearly as warm and lively. 2015-05-11T00:19:45Z Pixel_Outlaw: I can't speak for him as a person but he just felt callous the entire time. 2015-05-11T00:19:54Z doljee: hmm 2015-05-11T00:20:02Z doljee: i was thinking about watching the first lectures of both 2015-05-11T00:20:04Z Pixel_Outlaw: Go with the ones with Abelson and Sussman 2015-05-11T00:20:05Z doljee: i guess i can decide after that 2015-05-11T00:20:07Z doljee: okay 2015-05-11T00:20:21Z Pixel_Outlaw: Even though the board is really blurry and film degraded. 2015-05-11T00:20:51Z doljee: yea its unfortunate 2015-05-11T00:20:55Z Pixel_Outlaw: You'll get the full zeitgeist that way. 2015-05-11T00:21:20Z davexunit: zacts: I was inspired by it, but my scene graph stuff works quite differently. 2015-05-11T00:21:41Z davexunit: but the idea of building a scene by composing primitive components is the same. 2015-05-11T00:21:54Z Pixel_Outlaw: A powerful abstraction. 2015-05-11T00:22:17Z zacts: the book Concrete Abstractions has a picture language too 2015-05-11T00:22:21Z zacts: for pinwheel pictures 2015-05-11T00:22:24Z zacts: I used it, and it worked 2015-05-11T00:22:31Z zacts: but I can't remember which scheme implementation it was 2015-05-11T00:22:32Z Pixel_Outlaw googles 2015-05-11T00:22:34Z zacts: probably racket 2015-05-11T00:23:16Z Pixel_Outlaw: I hope racket does well in the future to come. 2015-05-11T00:23:16Z zacts is currently learning common lisp, but I prefer scheme 2015-05-11T00:23:24Z zacts: I want to learn CLOS, and a few other things 2015-05-11T00:23:31Z zacts: CLOS from the source 2015-05-11T00:23:42Z Pixel_Outlaw: zacts, The Art of the Metaobject Protocol has dropped in price lately 2015-05-11T00:23:46Z zacts: oh wow 2015-05-11T00:23:52Z zacts: yeah, that is one book on my list 2015-05-11T00:23:57Z zacts: but I don't own it yet 2015-05-11T00:24:07Z Pixel_Outlaw: Well it was around 70 dollars last year, now it seems to hover around 20-30. 2015-05-11T00:24:10Z zacts: perhaps I should pick it up 2015-05-11T00:24:31Z zacts: but chicken coops and other OOP scheme systems borrow heavily from CLOS 2015-05-11T00:24:42Z zacts: even Perl's Moose borrows a ton from CLOS 2015-05-11T00:24:46Z zacts: (or so I hear) 2015-05-11T00:25:10Z Pixel_Outlaw: I really liked A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation. But everyone says it is for non programmers. I'd been programming before but maybe I'm just not a fast learner. 2015-05-11T00:25:18Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-05-11T00:25:38Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: is that the CL book? 2015-05-11T00:25:41Z zacts: I've got that one 2015-05-11T00:25:42Z Pixel_Outlaw: Yeah 2015-05-11T00:25:43Z zacts: I read it 2015-05-11T00:25:45Z zacts: it was cool 2015-05-11T00:25:53Z zacts: but too entry level for my taste now 2015-05-11T00:25:58Z zacts: and the author is cool 2015-05-11T00:26:03Z zacts: I liked his DeCSS gallery page 2015-05-11T00:26:11Z Pixel_Outlaw: It was my first exposure to lisp so I needed some extra help I guess. 2015-05-11T00:26:26Z Pixel_Outlaw: I didn't have a scheme background already. 2015-05-11T00:27:20Z Pixel_Outlaw: There is Land of Lisp if you want to make some simple text and browser/server games. 2015-05-11T00:27:31Z zacts: I have land of lisp 2015-05-11T00:27:35Z zacts: I also have realm of racket 2015-05-11T00:27:45Z zacts: I got land of lisp right when it was first released 2015-05-11T00:27:53Z zacts: it was my first lisp book ever 2015-05-11T00:27:56Z Pixel_Outlaw: heh 2015-05-11T00:28:27Z Pixel_Outlaw: My oddest book is Let's Talk Lisp. 2015-05-11T00:28:36Z Pixel_Outlaw: which is an ancient oddity from the 70's 2015-05-11T00:28:47Z Pixel_Outlaw: not terribly useful 2015-05-11T00:30:07Z Pixel_Outlaw: I want to like Common Lisp but I'm not entirely sure how to port a project that uses 3rd party libs. So I don't get to use it much. 2015-05-11T00:31:06Z Pixel_Outlaw: I can't make a game for grandma for example then just give her a single binary. 2015-05-11T00:31:22Z zacts: ah yeah 2015-05-11T00:31:26Z Pixel_Outlaw: Well, rather I don't know how and don't want to brave #lisp for the solution. 2015-05-11T00:31:38Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: there is #clnoobs and #lispgames too 2015-05-11T00:31:49Z zacts: I'm on both of those 2015-05-11T00:31:50Z Pixel_Outlaw: They freenode? 2015-05-11T00:31:54Z zacts: yes 2015-05-11T00:31:59Z zacts: and they are pretty helpful and welcoming 2015-05-11T00:32:00Z Pixel_Outlaw: Oh ok. 2015-05-11T00:32:22Z Pixel_Outlaw: I hang out here because people speak more freely and have interesting conversations. 2015-05-11T00:32:28Z zacts: ah yeah 2015-05-11T00:32:33Z zacts: I <3 #scheme 2015-05-11T00:32:35Z zacts: and (scheme) 2015-05-11T00:32:37Z zacts: :-) 2015-05-11T00:32:46Z Pixel_Outlaw: I just use scheme as a puzzle language when I'm bored. 2015-05-11T00:33:04Z zacts: well there are some serious "real world" scheme projects, such as guix / dmd 2015-05-11T00:33:06Z zacts: and others 2015-05-11T00:33:09Z Pixel_Outlaw: I've not actually picked an implementation yet. I just toy around in Racket's r5rs 2015-05-11T00:33:28Z zacts: and also I saw on the gnu homepage a new cron implementation in scheme 2015-05-11T00:33:42Z zacts: guix is a distro and package manager based on nix 2015-05-11T00:34:15Z Pixel_Outlaw: I want all Racket's GUI doodads but I don't feel like learning all of Racket. 2015-05-11T00:34:19Z Pixel_Outlaw: If that makes sense. 2015-05-11T00:34:22Z zacts: yeah 2015-05-11T00:36:03Z Pixel_Outlaw: I've used some of the Tk stuff in Common Lisp but Tk is quite limited. 2015-05-11T00:36:19Z Pixel_Outlaw: And must be installed on the user's computer. -_- 2015-05-11T00:37:22Z gnuian joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:38:25Z karswell` is now known as karswell 2015-05-11T00:46:29Z karswell quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-05-11T00:46:38Z karswell joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:46:55Z Pixel_Outlaw: Any lisp implementation of R5RS that has a GUI system that is not just a C wrapper? 2015-05-11T00:47:05Z Pixel_Outlaw: *Scheme 2015-05-11T00:51:32Z pecg joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:55:24Z zhcy joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:55:43Z jao quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-05-11T00:57:21Z mdln joined #scheme 2015-05-11T00:59:38Z zhcy left #scheme 2015-05-11T01:00:23Z gnuian quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-05-11T01:05:09Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2015-05-11T01:06:55Z davexunit quit (Quit: Later) 2015-05-11T01:10:14Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2015-05-11T01:12:42Z pecg_ joined #scheme 2015-05-11T01:14:11Z gnuian joined #scheme 2015-05-11T01:17:04Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-05-11T01:24:37Z pecg_ quit (Quit: ZNC - 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You just need to compile clisp with clx or newclx. 2015-05-11T07:54:36Z pjb: Of course, you can also use the clx library, instead of the clx clisp module. 2015-05-11T07:55:42Z larion quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-05-11T07:57:14Z civodul joined #scheme 2015-05-11T08:02:11Z gnuian quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-05-11T08:09:16Z bjz joined #scheme 2015-05-11T08:10:52Z kephra: *ah* nice ;-) 2015-05-11T08:10:53Z larion joined #scheme 2015-05-11T08:14:29Z wasamasa: clim? 2015-05-11T08:53:27Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-05-11T08:56:55Z jewel joined #scheme 2015-05-11T09:15:30Z agumonkey quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-05-11T09:16:30Z agumonkey joined #scheme 2015-05-11T09:18:07Z zacts quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-05-11T09:24:08Z bjz_ joined #scheme 2015-05-11T09:27:11Z bjz quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-05-11T09:34:53Z frkout quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-05-11T09:36:35Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-05-11T09:40:26Z 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