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I don't know how one could compare the two. 2015-04-17T07:28:50Z taylanub: Wikipedia tells me that Mathematica uses a language called Wolfram Language. maybe they have some similarities but I don't know. 2015-04-17T07:32:05Z stepnem joined #scheme 2015-04-17T07:36:34Z yasha9 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-04-17T07:38:59Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2015-04-17T07:39:15Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2015-04-17T07:42:41Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2015-04-17T07:45:16Z Guest96414: Yeah, by Mathematica just now I meant the Wolfram Language. 2015-04-17T07:45:30Z Guest96414: I strongly feel it has some similarities with Scheme. 2015-04-17T07:46:32Z taylanub: as a presumably fairly high-level language, and probably designed by mathematicians, that wouldn't surprise me. 2015-04-17T07:56:00Z tmh_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-04-17T07:59:00Z fadein quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-04-17T08:05:18Z civodul joined #scheme 2015-04-17T08:07:55Z Steverman quit (Ping 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I think CFA is one but it seems too slower and whole program 2015-04-17T15:30:23Z Riastradh: `CFA' is the general word for that. There are lots of different CFAs. 2015-04-17T15:30:33Z vanila: ahh okay 2015-04-17T15:30:54Z vanila: I wonder if there's a easy one that I could implement 2015-04-17T15:31:15Z vanila: the stuff I read abou CFA was very advanced and difficult 2015-04-17T15:31:19Z Riastradh: LIAR's is pretty easy. 2015-04-17T15:32:28Z Riastradh: Basic idea: 1. Mark all lambdas that are passed out to unknown code, and all parameters that are passed in from unknown code. 2015-04-17T15:32:53Z Riastradh: 2. For each call to a lambda, initialize the set of lambdas callable from that call to be {that lambda}. 2015-04-17T15:33:28Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2015-04-17T15:34:07Z Riastradh: 3. Iterate until no change: For each known possible lambda at each call, add the lambdas in the arguments to set of possible lambdas for each parameter. Calls to each such parameter thus get new possible lambdas. Apply passed-in/passed-out contagion appropriately. 2015-04-17T15:35:20Z vanila: I think i could do that :D 2015-04-17T15:35:33Z edgar-rft joined #scheme 2015-04-17T15:35:55Z vanila: ill give it a try, thanks! are there any documents related to that? I guess I can find the implementation in mit-scheme somewhere 2015-04-17T15:36:22Z Riastradh: src/compiler/fgopt/simapp.scm 2015-04-17T15:37:40Z Riastradh: (Note that this does not take into consideration conditionals, or where calls might have come from, so it is likely to produce many, many false positives.) 2015-04-17T15:38:24Z Riastradh: (But it is guaranteed to give you no false negatives -- calls to lambdas at run-time that you didn't consider at compile-time.) 2015-04-17T15:39:29Z vanila: great! 2015-04-17T15:39:32Z vanila: that makes a lot of sense 2015-04-17T15:42:38Z sethalves joined #scheme 2015-04-17T15:43:14Z annodomini quit (Quit: annodomini) 2015-04-17T15:45:08Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-04-17T15:45:30Z narendraj9 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-04-17T15:46:06Z annodomini joined #scheme 2015-04-17T15:48:43Z s1n4 joined #scheme 2015-04-17T15:56:02Z zlrth joined #scheme 2015-04-17T16:00:28Z redeemed quit (Quit: q) 2015-04-17T16:02:58Z jawny joined #scheme 2015-04-17T16:03:49Z adu quit (Quit: adu) 2015-04-17T16:05:30Z henrytill quit (Quit: ZNC - 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