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2015-03-23T06:49:47Z darkc0de: what is scheme primary used for?
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2015-03-23T06:54:37Z z0d: darkc0de: people use it for everything
2015-03-23T06:54:56Z darkc0de: Is there something that is primary?
2015-03-23T06:54:58Z z0d: from theoretical comp. sci. to practical programs
2015-03-23T06:55:21Z z0d: I don't have statistics
2015-03-23T06:55:29Z darkc0de: I am looking into learning a new language not sure if I would have any use for scheme
2015-03-23T06:55:49Z z0d: it's a general purpose langauge
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2015-03-23T06:57:05Z z0d: people actually write web sites using Scheme
2015-03-23T06:57:16Z z0d: I think you can find a use for Scheme
2015-03-23T06:57:32Z darkc0de: Is it effective?
2015-03-23T06:57:42Z darkc0de: I think I would to
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2015-03-23T07:20:10Z technomancy: is there something specific you would be interested in using it for?
2015-03-23T07:27:14Z ecraven: z0d: I've done quite a few "web apps" with MIT/GNU Scheme, works very well I'd say
2015-03-23T07:35:04Z technomancy: I've used scheme for everything from circuit board design to games to arduino hacks
2015-03-23T07:35:17Z technomancy: it's very versatile
2015-03-23T07:35:26Z ecraven entirely agrees
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2015-03-23T07:54:09Z zacts: technomancy: how do you feel scheme compares with Clojure, and when would you prefer which?
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2015-03-23T08:08:54Z technomancy: zacts: they're good at different things. I use Clojure for large server-side codebases that are likely to need a wide variety of available libraries. on the server-side, memory usage and startup time are not an issue.
2015-03-23T08:09:35Z technomancy: I prefer Racket for stuff I'm going to run on my own machine because of pattern matching, no nulls, and the lower overhead.
2015-03-23T08:10:51Z technomancy: (I mean, that's assuming I were actually writing server code, which I don't really have any plans to do any time soon)
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2015-03-23T09:41:01Z technomancy: it seems somewhat half-baked
2015-03-23T09:41:15Z technomancy: besides, I'm not much interested in using node as a runtime
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2015-03-23T21:12:21Z ilammy: First I thought that a bug is in my tests, then the suspicion moved on to the reference implementation of the SRFI 60, and now I see that the bug in the implementation's bignums. I trusted you, Chibi!
2015-03-23T21:13:02Z Riastradh: Uh oh.  What's the bug?
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2015-03-23T21:16:01Z ilammy: I wrote a test generator for SRFI 60 (bitwise logical ops), the some tests were failing with the reference implementation
2015-03-23T21:16:11Z ilammy: but only for bignums (256+ bit numbers)
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2015-03-23T21:17:02Z ilammy: I'm not sure where the issue is, but clearly one should not evaluate (+ -1 -2305843009213693952) into -16140901064495857665
2015-03-23T21:17:29Z ilammy: That results into some bits missing, and bit ops tests failing.
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2015-03-23T21:58:35Z zacts: technomancy: oh that's interesting, re: clojurescript. Yeah, I was just curious man. I like both scheme and Clojure
2015-03-23T21:59:56Z taylanub: ilammy: Alex Shinn is a great hacker and responds swiftly to bug reports but when a program has a tiny userbase it shouldn't be surprising that many bugs go unfixed :-)
2015-03-23T22:01:09Z taylanub: I hit some bug(s) immediately as I started using Chibi for testing my R7RS SRFI implementations.  there were pretty silly things like 'cut' not working right and 'memv' working like 'memq' instead or so...  (these got fixed promptly as I reported them)
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2015-03-23T22:29:06Z ilammy: Okay... it seems I have found to core of the issue.
2015-03-23T22:29:35Z ilammy:  Took me awhile to notice that 2305843009213693952 = 2^61. And Chibi uses 2-bit tags for fixnums.
2015-03-23T22:30:05Z ilammy: This makes any number larger than 2^61 to be undistinguishable from its negation when converted to a fixnum.
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