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2015-03-06T03:29:44Z ilCodificatore: I get to choose the language to implement an application whose rough sketch is as follows: It monitors a user's input at the shell cmd line; then the app searches on disk and/or web for info related; the app then presents the found info to the user, whether it is .pdf, .doc, .htm, .txt, any format (legibly and navigably, of course).  Question:
2015-03-06T03:29:58Z ilCodificatore: What advantages does Scheme provide over Python to do such coding?
2015-03-06T03:31:43Z scarygelatin: It's basically a search engine from the commandline, right?
2015-03-06T03:33:12Z ilCodificatore: well, the users are not entering searches at the cmd line.  The app monitors their keyboarding, and then decides when and which doc to present to the user.
2015-03-06T03:33:17Z offby1: ilCodificatore: answer: few if any
2015-03-06T03:34:21Z ilCodificatore: interesting
2015-03-06T03:35:23Z scarygelatin: how does it decide which doc to present?
2015-03-06T03:35:30Z ilCodificatore: I suppose that if we consider extensibility of the app at a later time, then Python might fall short?
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2015-03-06T03:37:13Z ilCodificatore: scarygelatin: some criteria will probably be included "if this, then do that; else ..."
2015-03-06T03:39:43Z ilCodificatore: incidentally, does Scheme have bindings to Qt toolkit?
2015-03-06T03:42:37Z offby1: ilCodificatore: a python app is likely, in practice, to be a bazillion times _more_ extensible than a scheme app
2015-03-06T03:42:44Z offby1: for some value of "a bazillion"
2015-03-06T03:43:00Z offby1: ilCodificatore: _some_ schemes may have Qt bindings; others won't
2015-03-06T03:43:35Z scarygelatin: what advantages would python have over scheme?
2015-03-06T03:44:59Z offby1: useful libraries; larger pool of potential contributors
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2015-03-06T04:11:14Z ilCodificatore: offby1: fair enough.  Thanks for the tips.
2015-03-06T04:12:04Z offby1: and note that I'm a fan of scheme.  I just don't think it's very practical
2015-03-06T04:12:21Z offby1: "All Lisps are quite useless" -- Oscar Wilde
2015-03-06T04:12:28Z ilCodificatore: lol
2015-03-06T04:13:03Z ijp: oscar wilde sure knew a lot about lisp
2015-03-06T04:13:15Z ilCodificatore: In terms of ease of extending the app, would Python or Scheme be easier?
2015-03-06T04:14:54Z ilCodificatore: say for mere users of the app, not programmers
2015-03-06T04:15:30Z offby1: ilCodificatore: uh, anyone who uses scheme or python to extend your app is, by definition, a programmer.
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2015-03-06T04:15:43Z offby1: ilCodificatore: and python would win here, too, although of course I can't prove that.
2015-03-06T04:15:53Z offby1: for the same reasons I mentioned above.
2015-03-06T04:16:09Z scarygelatin: depends on how you implement the extension process.
2015-03-06T04:16:44Z ilCodificatore: offby1: =)  thank you.
2015-03-06T04:17:16Z ilCodificatore: scarygelatin: ok; I'll keep that in mind.
2015-03-06T04:17:22Z ilCodificatore: scarygelatin: thank you.
2015-03-06T04:17:36Z offby1 is suddenly afraid of the gelatin
2015-03-06T04:19:11Z scarygelatin: I am in fact made of offal and other assorted meat products, but hopefully thats not important right now.
2015-03-06T04:19:37Z offby1: stop calling me "Shirley"
2015-03-06T04:20:27Z scarygelatin: Nice beaver.
2015-03-06T04:20:40Z scarygelatin: err, Airplane! references.
2015-03-06T04:28:15Z offby1: Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up referring to old movies.
2015-03-06T04:30:59Z scarygelatin: get a hold of yourself man!
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2015-03-06T14:15:49Z Shambles_: Does anyone know the difference between syntactic closure and implicit renaming macro systems?  Are there any problems/limitations with them I should know about (at least ones that aren't already implied by them operating on lists of 'normal' atoms instead of syntax objects)?
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2015-03-06T14:34:15Z z0d: Shambles_: please stick around and someone smart will answer
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2015-03-06T14:47:47Z Shambles_: z0d: I'm trying asking around and will hang around.  So far I haven't gotten a straight answer anywhere.  I know there's some sort of problem with implementing syntax-rules on top of syntactic closures without "identifier?" and "identifier=?", but I don't understand the problem, the difference between the two systems, and if they are okay other than that.
2015-03-06T14:49:01Z Shambles_: I do know that without being syntax objects (or some alternative design) it's not possible to give excellent error messages.  On the other hand it is easier to use them with most Scheme code, since most of it isn't designed to work on syntax objects (and yes I know you can convert).
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2015-03-06T14:50:52Z leppie: From R6RS (not sure if in newer too): "If an expression is said to ‘‘return unspecified values'', then the expression must evaluate without raising an exception" that sounds a bit unclear, Eg: (display '() '()) MUST evaluate without error?
2015-03-06T14:52:09Z ijp: leppie: that would be an assertion violation, no?
2015-03-06T14:52:52Z leppie: ijp: yes, but the wording makes it sound like it is not allowed to be an error
2015-03-06T14:53:06Z ijp: how so?
2015-03-06T14:53:16Z ijp: that expression doesn't return unspecified values
2015-03-06T14:53:46Z leppie: (display '() '()) is the expression that "returns unspecified values"
2015-03-06T14:54:37Z ijp: leppie: why?
2015-03-06T14:55:35Z leppie: because the display proc returns unspecified values
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2015-03-06T14:55:59Z ijp: it doesn't return here at all
2015-03-06T14:56:36Z leppie: ijp: it does evaluate though
2015-03-06T14:56:42Z vraid: ijp: isn't the scheme standard that every expression returns a value, specified or unspecified?
2015-03-06T14:57:05Z ijp: leppie: the argument checking behaviour clearly states this is an assertion violation
2015-03-06T14:57:52Z leppie: yes, I know, but the wording there seems a bit contradictory
2015-03-06T14:57:54Z ijp: vraid: what does (error #f "foo") return?
2015-03-06T14:58:52Z ijp: you don't even need something exotic like "error", continuations don't return
2015-03-06T15:04:42Z ijp: leppie: if it makes you happier, think about it this way: if you give it the wrong type, it's not a valid expression
2015-03-06T15:07:06Z leppie: :)
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2015-03-06T15:36:28Z taylanub: leppie: I guess the wording is just bad in the spec, it surely doesn't mean what you suggest it means.
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