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2015-02-12T13:31:30Z taylanub: I just noticed R7RS uses a wording like "the effects of ... is unspecified" on page 52, instead of the usual "... is an error".  does that have any significance?  "is an error" is also "undefined behavior" or "unspecified" after all (in contrast to "must signal/raise an error")
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2015-02-12T13:32:55Z taylanub: "1.3.2. Error situations and unspecified behavior" doesn't actually explain "unspecified behavior", only unspecified values :\
2015-02-12T13:33:18Z z0d: evaluation order might not be specified
2015-02-12T13:33:28Z z0d: I don't actually remember if that's the case though
2015-02-12T13:33:55Z wasamasa: I read it as it implementors being free about what exactly happens
2015-02-12T13:34:00Z wasamasa: similiar to C
2015-02-12T13:34:41Z z0d: yeah
2015-02-12T13:35:01Z taylanub: oh, the section actually says that unless "signalling" is mentioned, then no signalling is required, and that it may not *always* use the phrase "an error" for such cases.  so I guess using the wording "the effects of ... is unspecified" simply makes something fall under literally not-specified behavior.
2015-02-12T13:35:16Z z0d: I think printing a procedure is also unspecified
2015-02-12T13:35:28Z wasamasa: TIL: unspecified behaviour is unspecified
2015-02-12T13:35:40Z taylanub: wasamasa: yes, indeed :)
2015-02-12T13:36:02Z wasamasa: at least the C specification tells you what exactly it means, don't they
2015-02-12T13:37:12Z z0d: try evaluating e.g. +
2015-02-12T13:37:22Z z0d: what Scheme prints is unspecified AFAIR
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2015-02-12T13:37:37Z taylanub: wasamasa: saying "anything may happen at all" is not much better than not saying anything, is it?..
2015-02-12T13:37:47Z wasamasa: taylanub: well, it's good for pointing people to
2015-02-12T13:38:08Z wasamasa: taylanub: so I do indeed prefer it instead of relying on someone else's definition for a different programming language
2015-02-12T13:42:03Z taylanub: wasamasa: saying something is unspecified is as specific you can get without specifying it :P
2015-02-12T13:42:18Z wasamasa: right
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2015-02-12T17:47:03Z kephra: http://kephra.de/o3proto/unloop.html <- news from my toy scheme ... started with r4rs test suit ... take a look at the html source code ;-)
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2015-02-12T17:58:41Z mario-goulart: kephra: cool.  Is it R5RS?
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2015-02-12T18:00:06Z mario-goulart: kephra: I ask because I ported some parts of an SXML implementation enough to implement an sxml->html procedure.  I've been using it with SPOCK to generate content on the client side.  Maybe you can use it too with your scheme.
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2015-02-12T18:04:14Z kephra: mario-goulart, I plan to implement a subset of r4rs - no cons, no vectors, no characters
2015-02-12T18:04:43Z kephra: and fixed point arithmetic
2015-02-12T18:05:19Z kephra: but it will mostly feel like a scheme
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2015-02-12T18:07:28Z mario-goulart: oh, ok.  So I guess it probably won't work for that SXML thing.
2015-02-12T18:07:54Z kephra: likely not - its not aimed to be another scheme for running arbitrary code
2015-02-12T18:08:03Z kephra: but as an embedded language for o3db
2015-02-12T18:08:31Z kephra: and most likely hidden by a reader macro to look like infix notation
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2015-02-12T18:09:19Z mario-goulart: I see.  That's cool.
2015-02-12T18:09:39Z kephra: http://kephra.de/o3proto/ <- the GUI might look like this
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2015-02-12T18:11:39Z kephra: http://kephra.de/o3proto/o3db.js <- /* Lisp Engine - NYI */ implements only one command ... the above scheme look like is intendent as a plugin here
2015-02-12T18:12:32Z kephra: also a scheme code interpreter has the benefit to hide the event callback hell by continuations
2015-02-12T18:13:04Z kephra: so a user could write: (begin (prepare-something) (do-database-lookup) (finish-form))
2015-02-12T18:13:21Z kephra: and does not need to worry that do-database-lookup needs to do an AJAX call
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2015-02-12T19:20:25Z z0d: has anyone tried SLIME with MIT Scheme or any other Scheme?
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2015-02-12T19:28:50Z wasamasa: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/v2_2_0/NEWS#L138
2015-02-12T19:28:52Z wasamasa: " * callcc is obsolete. use Fiber instead."
2015-02-12T19:29:05Z wasamasa: I wonder how much that has to do with the famous scheme feature
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2015-02-12T19:42:24Z pjdelport: wasamasa: That feature was like Scheme's call/cc yes.
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