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An "Idiot's Guide to Scheme Macros" would be very welcome here. 2015-02-09T00:36:28Z vanila: haziz, what would you like to learn about macros? 2015-02-09T00:37:01Z cdtaylor: haziz: http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html ? 2015-02-09T00:37:20Z vanila: cdtaylor, that is all very advanced stuff 2015-02-09T00:37:37Z cdtaylor: vanila: Maybe it answers what he needs. 2015-02-09T00:39:29Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-09T00:44:38Z haziz: Will reread both when I am feeling more fresh. 2015-02-09T00:51:53Z adu joined #scheme 2015-02-09T00:56:38Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:27:12Z vraid quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:29:47Z mdln quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:38:45Z bb010g quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:39:06Z gluegadget quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:39:11Z kwmiebach quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:39:37Z cojy_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:41:21Z superjudge quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T01:46:09Z psy_ joined #scheme 2015-02-09T01:47:33Z gluegadget joined #scheme 2015-02-09T01:48:48Z bb010g joined #scheme 2015-02-09T01:49:31Z kwmiebach joined #scheme 2015-02-09T01:51:34Z cojy_ joined #scheme 2015-02-09T01:53:15Z superjudge joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:01:39Z mdln joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:05:33Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-09T02:06:21Z rtra quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T02:10:23Z turtleman_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T02:11:40Z rtra joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:13:45Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-09T02:14:43Z theseb joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:15:52Z enitiz joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:17:57Z ASau joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:23:37Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2015-02-09T02:27:51Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I got environment stack work, lambda running, and got rid of a central argument stack 2015-02-09T13:43:49Z kephra: i;m pretty sure, that I'm not the first one who came up with the idea to implement a lisp/scheme as a loop without recursion 2015-02-09T13:44:04Z zeroish joined #scheme 2015-02-09T13:44:36Z ASau` joined #scheme 2015-02-09T13:45:02Z kephra: (while-command-stack-not-empty (it-might-be-a-queue-command-or-a-resolve-command)) 2015-02-09T13:45:06Z net4all: no, but well done anyway :) 2015-02-09T13:45:21Z kephra: is there a name for that pattern? 2015-02-09T13:46:01Z kephra: http://kephra.de/o3proto/unloop.html <- debuging and output ... take a look at html source ;-) 2015-02-09T13:46:21Z enitiz quit (Read error: No route to host) 2015-02-09T13:46:33Z taylanub quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-02-09T13:46:37Z net4all: kephra: trampoline loop. (or continuation passing style) 2015-02-09T13:46:56Z taylanub joined #scheme 2015-02-09T13:46:59Z kephra: i'm not passing continuations 2015-02-09T13:47:12Z kephra: so trampoline loop sounds right 2015-02-09T13:47:45Z net4all: mm 2015-02-09T13:47:56Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-09T13:48:01Z ASau` is now known as ASau 2015-02-09T13:48:32Z kephra: the interpreterloop can return anytime with command stack and environment stack - so I can break/continue the interpreter 2015-02-09T13:49:16Z kephra: got rid of the 3rd stack, as each s-exp has now its own own stack linked within the commands 2015-02-09T13:50:48Z daviid joined #scheme 2015-02-09T13:51:58Z kephra: *hm* trampoline is also wrong ;-( 2015-02-09T14:02:13Z LeoNerd: "Any trampoline that does not warp your mind is not a true trampoline" 2015-02-09T14:06:03Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:06:52Z kephra: well, a trampoline (from my forth point of view), is an address to call on return, so basically a continuation with implicit tail optimization 2015-02-09T14:07:24Z kephra: instead I have a stack of commands 2015-02-09T14:07:43Z zadock quit (*.net *.split) 2015-02-09T14:07:43Z Riastradh quit (*.net *.split) 2015-02-09T14:07:44Z kephra: the loop pops the first command from stack, looks if its a queue or resolve command 2015-02-09T14:07:56Z fsckd joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:08:42Z kephra: some queue commands are immediate resolveable, e.g. (define foo (something bar)), as the car is a symbol to a macro of a primitive 2015-02-09T14:09:09Z kephra: others are not like (+ 3 4) or even (baz 3 4) 2015-02-09T14:10:14Z kephra: the first requires to push evaluation of the cdrs, the 2nd even requires to expand a lambda and to push this 2015-02-09T14:11:34Z kephra: the case (foo bar baz) is translated into: push queue bar, push queue baz, push resolve + 2015-02-09T14:11:58Z kephra: *oups* s/[+]$/foo/ 2015-02-09T14:12:58Z enitiz joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:14:04Z badkins joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:27:37Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T14:29:29Z sethalves joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:30:08Z fantazo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-02-09T14:30:48Z enitiz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-09T14:38:01Z ecthiender quit (Quit: gotta go) 2015-02-09T14:47:40Z enitiz joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:48:03Z ovenpasta joined #scheme 2015-02-09T14:55:39Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T14:56:27Z turtleman_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-09T14:57:05Z turtleman_ joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:02:51Z xyh joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:10:01Z uris77 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-09T15:15:17Z adu joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:20:13Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:25:36Z uris77 joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:25:56Z pygospa quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T15:28:14Z sethalves quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-09T15:28:45Z sethalves joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:28:48Z SeekingXPRIZE joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:32:48Z pygospa joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:32:53Z sethalves quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T15:39:07Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-09T15:40:28Z adu quit (Quit: adu) 2015-02-09T15:40:41Z mutley89 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-09T15:48:16Z Vutral joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:51:05Z enitiz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-09T15:52:29Z githogori quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-09T15:53:19Z peterhil` joined #scheme 2015-02-09T15:54:16Z peterhil quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-09T16:00:55Z sethalves joined #scheme 2015-02-09T16:01:23Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2015-02-09T16:08:36Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-09T16:10:50Z cdtaylor: Can someone help me set up emacs to use with Scheme? 2015-02-09T16:11:22Z cdtaylor: I'm not sure if I should just use scheme-complete + paredit or whatever, or use SLIME, and I have no idea how to even get scheme-complete working. 2015-02-09T16:11:35Z z0d: paredit, for sure use it 2015-02-09T16:11:42Z z0d: is there Scheme support in SLIME? 2015-02-09T16:12:11Z taylanub: paredit is a must IMO :) the rest probably depends on your Scheme implementation. there's Geiser for Guile and Racket 2015-02-09T16:12:13Z cdtaylor: I don't know I saw stuff about swank or what-not. 2015-02-09T16:12:21Z z0d: I've used Geiser with Emacs 2015-02-09T16:12:42Z cdtaylor: I'd like to use Chicken, I think. 2015-02-09T16:12:52Z taylanub: you might want to ask in #chicken 2015-02-09T16:13:27Z cdtaylor: Well, there's this page: http://wiki.call-cc.org/emacs 2015-02-09T16:13:36Z cdtaylor: But I have no idea how to get scheme-complete or paredit working with Scheme. 2015-02-09T16:13:54Z cdtaylor: I mean, working with emacs. 2015-02-09T16:13:59Z cdtaylor: I'm a total emacs newb. 2015-02-09T16:17:54Z cdtaylor: Well, no reply. I'll be asking in emacs too, I'll let you know if I get an answer. 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