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No. But you can write (begin a b). 2015-02-05T02:47:21Z parliament: thanks. 2015-02-05T02:47:40Z parliament left #scheme 2015-02-05T02:50:07Z teurastaja joined #scheme 2015-02-05T02:53:35Z cdidd joined #scheme 2015-02-05T02:53:58Z teurastaja: wanna hunt bugs on my yet untested and only missing a "main" dancing links implementation for a sudoku solver?: http://pastebin.com/NxrD54t6 2015-02-05T02:55:14Z teurastaja: im sure there are mistakes and i want to ease logical bugs if possible for avoiding headaches soon 2015-02-05T02:57:08Z PinealGlandOptic quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-05T02:58:33Z PinealGlandOptic joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:00:44Z tobik quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:01:42Z tobik joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:02:34Z teurastaja: well...? 2015-02-05T03:03:02Z teurastaja: i just saw 2 bugs by rereading 2015-02-05T03:03:23Z teurastaja: surely you can find some? 2015-02-05T03:04:57Z gnomon: teurastaja, sure, I *could*... or I could *not*, and just sip this tasty scotch and not bother the cat on my leg. 2015-02-05T03:05:05Z gnomon: I think I might do that second thing. 2015-02-05T03:05:10Z gnomon nods sagely 2015-02-05T03:05:34Z teurastaja: ah well... 2015-02-05T03:05:59Z teurastaja: someone else that doesnt have a cat on their laps? 2015-02-05T03:07:41Z teurastaja: gnomon: you chose the easy answer ;) 2015-02-05T03:08:02Z gnomon: I thought long and hard about it. 2015-02-05T03:08:21Z gnomon takes a long, luxurious sniff of a beautifully golden Lagavulin 16 2015-02-05T03:10:55Z Puffin quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:11:02Z teurastaja: i think im close to it but i know the debugging part will be hard. why not take inspiration on my code for your long grieved implementation while helping fix mine? too much scotch? ;) 2015-02-05T03:11:47Z Riastradh: Perl 6 invents an even better solution to what makes COBOL great! 2015-02-05T03:11:52Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/lv72tvt 2015-02-05T03:12:49Z gnomon: teurastaja, definitely too much scotch. All I am good for now is snark and awful puns. 2015-02-05T03:13:05Z teurastaja: (make (live-again (flame (in (you))))) 2015-02-05T03:13:34Z Riastradh: tl;dr: COBOL does decimal arithmetic; Perl 6 invented rational arithmetic to do it Even Better, apparently. 2015-02-05T03:14:58Z gnomon: Riastradh, o good! I was hoping someone would come along and work out the finer points of implementing rational arithmetic in a programming language. <_< >_> 2015-02-05T03:19:42Z teurastaja: COBOL definately was not worth picking off the library shelf when i was young. couldnt understand its use besides as a calculator 2015-02-05T03:20:11Z teurastaja: didnt know any programming language back then 2015-02-05T03:20:45Z PinealGlandOptic quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:21:06Z teurastaja: blessed ignorance 2015-02-05T03:21:15Z PinealGlandOptic joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:21:42Z teurastaja: when you start learning you need more 2015-02-05T03:22:42Z teurastaja: so... no reviewing my code? :( 2015-02-05T03:26:33Z Riastradh: teurastaja: Is it broken? 2015-02-05T03:27:29Z jkraemer quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:29:58Z adu joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:36:44Z teurastaja: probably. i never tested it and just finished it 2015-02-05T03:37:27Z teurastaja: it lacks a main function that glues everything together 2015-02-05T03:37:34Z teurastaja: but thats it 2015-02-05T03:39:46Z vanila quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-05T03:40:10Z jkraemer joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:40:18Z cdidd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T03:42:45Z cdidd joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:47:46Z ecthiender joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:48:24Z taspat joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:49:40Z theseb joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:49:59Z ecthiender_ joined #scheme 2015-02-05T03:51:33Z nugnuts quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:52:03Z ecthiender quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T03:56:23Z teurastaja quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-05T04:00:36Z ecthiender_ is now known as ecthiender 2015-02-05T04:06:00Z araujo quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-05T04:11:52Z pecg joined #scheme 2015-02-05T04:19:19Z theseb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-02-05T04:34:32Z theseb joined #scheme 2015-02-05T04:37:17Z excelsior quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-05T04:43:09Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-05T04:43:27Z zwer joined #scheme 2015-02-05T04:45:47Z zwer_g quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T04:46:32Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-05T04:51:49Z kephra: thats nice, when implementing a scheme in JS - I can use var newenv = Object.create(oldenv), when doing a let or lambda 2015-02-05T04:53:19Z Intensity joined #scheme 2015-02-05T05:05:17Z frkout_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T05:05:43Z frkout joined #scheme 2015-02-05T05:10:03Z pecg quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T05:34:25Z taspat` joined #scheme 2015-02-05T05:37:59Z taspat quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-05T05:42:48Z badkins quit 2015-02-05T05:44:58Z fsckd quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-05T05:53:07Z mumptai joined #scheme 2015-02-05T05:55:15Z kazimir42 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T05:55:33Z kazimir42 joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:01:33Z frkout_ joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:02:17Z oleo__ quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-02-05T06:05:11Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-05T06:15:06Z psy_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T06:23:17Z echo-area quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T06:23:59Z echo-area joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:24:09Z kazimir42 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T06:30:18Z frkout_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T06:30:44Z frkout joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:36:39Z frkout_ joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:38:46Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-05T06:39:06Z kazimir42 joined #scheme 2015-02-05T06:50:09Z kazimir42 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T07:07:39Z Steverman joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:11:06Z cdtaylor joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:11:07Z Steverman quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-05T07:12:08Z psy_ joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:13:54Z uber_hulk quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-02-05T07:16:32Z b4283 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-05T07:17:56Z b4283 joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:27:44Z Shadox quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-05T07:31:14Z Steverman joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:35:09Z joneshf-laptop quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-05T07:35:27Z joneshf-laptop joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:38:40Z theseb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-02-05T07:39:25Z Soft quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-05T07:39:53Z work_op joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:40:23Z work_op: is it possible to ever "get" call/cc to the point that i can read code that i didnt write that uses call/cc? 2015-02-05T07:40:58Z zacts: does that let over lambda book apply to scheme too? 2015-02-05T07:41:07Z zacts: the first like 8 ch are online free from the author 2015-02-05T07:49:36Z robot-beethoven joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:50:04Z ecraven: work_op: some simple uses (like escape continuations) are easy to understand, but I don't think there's a way to understand complicated code intuitively :-/ 2015-02-05T07:50:45Z work_op: doesnt that alone imply that maybe they arent useful? 2015-02-05T07:51:07Z work_op: as opposed to implementing escapes and things like that directly, per-implementation 2015-02-05T07:52:22Z psy_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-05T07:52:40Z Soft joined #scheme 2015-02-05T07:53:16Z ecraven: work_op: I would definitely argue against that stance. 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