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vanila: on it 2015-01-13T07:41:23Z HisaoNakai: Using 'or' in a cond seems to do it 2015-01-13T07:42:21Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-13T07:43:37Z chemuduguntar quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-01-13T07:45:47Z Bahman: HisaoNakai: Try this: (cond ((or 1) (display "WORKS"))) 2015-01-13T07:45:58Z Bahman: perhaps you've missed a paren pair. 2015-01-13T07:48:30Z HisaoNakai: Bahman , vanila - http://ix.io/fJJ 2015-01-13T07:48:55Z vanila: im getting the same error 2015-01-13T07:48:58Z vanila: I se what the problem is 2015-01-13T07:49:01Z HisaoNakai: oh wait, there's an error in that one 2015-01-13T07:49:02Z vanila: its just as Bahman said 2015-01-13T07:49:05Z vanila: since OR is a macro, it has no value 2015-01-13T07:49:45Z Bahman nods 2015-01-13T07:50:54Z HisaoNakai: not sure if the OR is closed correctly in the link 2015-01-13T07:54:07Z alexei___ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-01-13T07:54:39Z Bahman: HisaoNakai: The general syntax of COND is like this 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