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:) 2014-12-18T03:20:37Z Intensity quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-18T03:28:13Z technomancy: my guess is #racket but I don't have data to back that up 2014-12-18T03:31:34Z excelsior joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:31:54Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:37:27Z Rodya_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:40:54Z offby1: maxigas: just join 'em all and see 2014-12-18T03:42:45Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:43:19Z echo-are`: offby1: That was what I thought too ;-) 2014-12-18T03:45:55Z ASau` joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:46:17Z ASau quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T03:48:47Z amoe quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T03:49:09Z amoe joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:51:09Z ASau` is now known as ASau 2014-12-18T03:55:30Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2014-12-18T03:59:34Z robot-beethoven joined #scheme 2014-12-18T04:02:25Z technomancy: (sort-by length (map (compose count channel-members) (filter (lambda (c) (string-match "scheme" (channel-topic c))) (all-channels freenode)))) 2014-12-18T04:02:34Z technomancy: oops string-match is elisp =( 2014-12-18T04:02:48Z offby1: .oO("sort-by"?) 2014-12-18T04:03:22Z technomancy waits for offby1 to call the guards on him 2014-12-18T04:04:08Z mikeyhc: g 2 2014-12-18T04:05:19Z technomancy: ah, regular sort takes a key proc 2014-12-18T04:05:42Z technomancy: hard to keep all these lisps straight 2014-12-18T04:05:53Z offby1: no guards in this channel, unfortunately. 2014-12-18T04:05:59Z offby1: YOU GET AWAY THIS TIME 2014-12-18T04:06:03Z offby1 fakes shist 2014-12-18T04:06:26Z technomancy: 💦 2014-12-18T04:08:39Z technomancy: huh, richard o'keefe wrote this srfi-95 implementation 2014-12-18T04:20:42Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-12-18T04:24:57Z kongtomorrow quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-18T04:27:39Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-12-18T04:30:31Z jlongster joined #scheme 2014-12-18T04:42:43Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-18T04:49:40Z fsckd quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T04:52:45Z bb010g joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:03:42Z MichaelRaskin quit (Quit: MichaelRaskin) 2014-12-18T05:03:58Z evhan quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T05:14:35Z frkout joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:15:20Z evhan joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:15:43Z frkout quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T05:16:09Z frkout joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:16:12Z nisstyre quit (Changing host) 2014-12-18T05:16:12Z nisstyre joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:24:27Z evhan quit (Quit: de irc non curat lector) 2014-12-18T05:24:41Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T05:31:20Z Rodya_ quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2014-12-18T05:50:52Z MichaelRaskin joined #scheme 2014-12-18T05:53:36Z wzsk quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T05:56:42Z psy_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T06:00:29Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:02:22Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:04:29Z oleo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-18T06:05:25Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:15:10Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2014-12-18T06:26:20Z systemovich__ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:26:50Z systemovich_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:29:52Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:30:17Z frkout_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:30:36Z kongtomorrow quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:32:37Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:33:14Z frkout quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:35:33Z joneshf-laptop joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:35:49Z systemovich joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:35:56Z Vutral joined #scheme 2014-12-18T06:36:23Z systemovich__ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:43:34Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T06:59:15Z systemovich quit (Quit: See you on the flip-side.) 2014-12-18T07:06:43Z Natch quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-12-18T07:08:37Z Natch joined #scheme 2014-12-18T07:09:28Z bjz joined #scheme 2014-12-18T07:15:57Z jusss quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T07:22:15Z Alestan joined #scheme 2014-12-18T07:38:34Z Alestan: So with syntax-rules, what's the difference between (a . b) and (a b ...)? 2014-12-18T07:38:34Z Alestan: I know that ... repeats the previous pattern 0 or more times, while . makes the following name bind to a list of parameters, so their use in the template differs: . b to insert b expanded vs (b ...) to insert b as a list, but it seems that either can be used to generate exactly the same expansion. (I know that ... works with things like (a b) ..., but I'm wondering what . actually offers that can't be just as easily accomplished via ...) 2014-12-18T07:53:03Z princearthur joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:09:29Z derek_c quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T08:21:09Z derek_c joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:23:48Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-12-18T08:23:55Z excelsior quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2014-12-18T08:25:20Z psy_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:27:17Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:27:57Z nisstyre quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-18T08:29:23Z fantazo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:29:29Z fizzie: Alestan: If I read R5RS right, only a pattern with an improper list in it (e.g. (a . b)) can match an improper list input form, for one thing. 2014-12-18T08:31:34Z fizzie: So if you wanted your syntax to look like (foo ((bar . baz) (quux . zuul) ...) ...) you couldn't accomplish that via '...' in the pattern. Probably not a feature people are all that interested in, but a difference nevertheless. 2014-12-18T08:33:18Z fgudin joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:33:58Z Alestan: Okay, that makes sense. 2014-12-18T08:34:36Z Alestan: Well, as much sense as the different handling of proper vs improper lists ever does :) 2014-12-18T08:52:35Z jumblerg joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:57:01Z Isp-sec joined #scheme 2014-12-18T08:57:12Z nisstyre joined #scheme 2014-12-18T09:00:57Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T09:02:45Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I just want to see if matches 2014-12-18T09:36:26Z omefire quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T09:59:51Z princearthur quit (Quit: Be back later ...) 2014-12-18T10:01:59Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-18T10:03:56Z princearthur_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:03:56Z princearthur_ quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-18T10:08:24Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:13:51Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:15:37Z omefire joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:23:03Z ijp joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:36:19Z khisanth_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:38:12Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T10:43:04Z pnkfelix joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:44:02Z sheilong joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:44:51Z jusss quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T10:45:34Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-12-18T10:51:17Z derek_c quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-18T10:55:54Z sheilong quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-12-18T10:57:34Z vinleod joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:15:29Z Alestan quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T11:19:15Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T11:19:42Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:19:49Z Isp-sec quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T11:20:36Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:20:36Z jeapostrophe quit (Changing host) 2014-12-18T11:20:36Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:20:38Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T11:21:23Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:27:32Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-18T11:33:52Z cky: Too bad Alestan has left. The answer is to use `with-syntax`: http://codepad.org/bBfpzqwc 2014-12-18T11:34:44Z bjz_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T11:35:02Z bjz joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:36:43Z cky: Even better: http://pasterack.org/pastes/10639 2014-12-18T11:38:05Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-18T11:39:05Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T11:40:34Z echo-area quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T11:44:43Z enenn quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-18T11:46:59Z ffs quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T11:48:14Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:50:31Z pjb joined #scheme 2014-12-18T11:52:26Z sheilong joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:07:35Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T12:08:22Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:10:33Z psy_ quit (Read error: No route to host) 2014-12-18T12:13:05Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T12:16:49Z psy_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:17:06Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:17:43Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:20:14Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-12-18T12:24:13Z zadock joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:36:33Z robot-beethoven quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-12-18T12:46:33Z Sgeo_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T12:48:01Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:48:49Z Sgeo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T12:48:50Z fantazo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-12-18T12:50:52Z wasamasa: freenode has a memo service 2014-12-18T12:50:56Z wasamasa: perhaps this channel, too 2014-12-18T12:54:10Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T12:57:20Z cky: wasamasa: If they were a regular, I'd use such a thing. But lots of users are "drive-bys". 2014-12-18T12:59:06Z wasamasa: true 2014-12-18T13:01:18Z maxigas: if you are not used to shell boxes it is hard to know how to stay on irc permamently... 2014-12-18T13:01:29Z maxigas: one reason irc never became a mass media... 2014-12-18T13:01:54Z stepnem joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:05:21Z arcwest1 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:06:26Z cky: maxigas: Some people use bouncers, but yes, usually only devoted IRC users will use one. 2014-12-18T13:06:33Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:06:56Z cky uses weechat-over-tmux running in a Linode instance. 2014-12-18T13:08:30Z davexunit quit (Quit: Later) 2014-12-18T13:11:33Z fsckd joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:12:25Z arcwest1 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-18T13:55:37Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-12-18T13:56:25Z narendraj9 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-12-18T13:56:35Z davexunit joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:56:41Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2014-12-18T13:56:53Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:03:09Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:06:39Z nisstyre quit (Changing host) 2014-12-18T14:06:39Z nisstyre joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:09:57Z ffs joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:10:38Z narendraj9 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T14:16:02Z alezost joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:24:37Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:33:42Z jumblerg joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:38:33Z jusss quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T14:41:10Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:41:28Z oleo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T14:42:16Z hiyosi joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:05:17Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T15:08:32Z gravicappa quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2014-12-18T15:10:21Z alezost quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-18T15:14:51Z ProbonoBonobo quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T15:18:04Z net4all joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:22:06Z yonkie quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-18T15:24:58Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:28:32Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:29:28Z vinleod quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2014-12-18T15:29:34Z arcwest1 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:39:12Z sroy joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:40:07Z arcwest1 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 2014-12-18T15:43:00Z arcwest1 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T15:49:18Z Rodya_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:00:21Z narendraj9 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-18T16:02:24Z alezost joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:05:51Z duggiefresh joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:06:07Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T16:12:53Z ijp quit (Quit: This ijp has ended peacefully) 2014-12-18T16:13:09Z cleatoma joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:16:04Z excelsior joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:18:58Z Vutral joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:22:22Z redeemed quit (Quit: q) 2014-12-18T16:24:12Z cleatoma left #scheme 2014-12-18T16:24:43Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:26:17Z jlongster joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:44:03Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-12-18T16:46:15Z MichaelRaskin quit (Quit: MichaelRaskin) 2014-12-18T16:46:41Z narendraj9 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T16:50:27Z rszeno joined #scheme 2014-12-18T17:00:10Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2014-12-18T17:01:20Z zadock joined #scheme 2014-12-18T17:02:53Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T17:03:56Z Ysgard joined #scheme 2014-12-18T17:06:48Z fgudin quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-12-18T17:09:38Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-12-18T17:10:30Z narendraj9 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) 2014-12-18T17:11:26Z kongtomorrow quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-18T17:12:41Z pnkfelix quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.92.1) 2014-12-18T17:14:01Z Ysgard: Hi, I've got a little Lisp experience and I'm looking to try writing a game in Lisp/Scheme. What would you guys recommend for a Scheme that 1) Has OpenGL and SDL2 bindings, and 2) compiles to a native executable? 2014-12-18T17:14:19Z cky: Ysgard: Chicken. 2014-12-18T17:15:38Z Ysgard: Is there an alternative, in case Chicken doesn't pan out? 2014-12-18T17:16:13Z cky: Ysgard: I hear good things about Bigloo but I've not used it myself. 2014-12-18T17:17:11Z Ysgard: cky: Thanks! 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One can evaluate s expressions and see their output 2014-12-18T21:16:18Z zadock joined #scheme 2014-12-18T21:16:21Z dweave: why is that not a thing for python programmers 2014-12-18T21:16:25Z dweave: python etc. 2014-12-18T21:17:17Z pnkfelix quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T21:17:27Z jumblerg quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Between the built-in help function and the easy way to dump the attribute table for objects, it makes exploring new libraries much easier than most languages. It is rather different than scheme's repl though. 2014-12-18T21:44:57Z offby1: pretty much the same, really 2014-12-18T21:45:50Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T21:46:04Z gnomon: offby1, are you agreeing with Alestan by stating that your experience is pretty much the same, or disagreeing with Alestan's assertion that Python's REPL is very different from Scheme's by stating that they are actually pretty much the same? 2014-12-18T21:46:10Z hilquias quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T21:46:13Z offby1 stares blankly 2014-12-18T21:46:15Z offby1 slaps gnomon upside the haid 2014-12-18T21:46:21Z gnomon: OW WAT 2014-12-18T21:46:32Z gnomon: thpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpt 2014-12-18T21:46:33Z offby1: I sez: scheme repls and python repls are pretty much the same. 2014-12-18T21:46:44Z offby1: gnomon: that's for using too many words. 2014-12-18T21:47:07Z gnomon: I am duly chastised and will phrase my next question in the form of an interpretive dance. 2014-12-18T21:47:29Z oleo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T21:48:03Z offby1: too many notes, my dear Mozart 2014-12-18T21:51:18Z pzula quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 2014-12-18T21:53:05Z Alestan: In actual operation they're very similar, but at a glance they seem different, especially in how exceptions are reported. I didn't mean to say that there is a large difference in functionality, simply that some things feel different, so someone, used to one, switching to the other can be put off by the cosmetic differences. 2014-12-18T21:53:38Z Alestan: Things like how the line-replay works in the windows version of python's repl, and what not. 2014-12-18T21:54:05Z Alestan: (or idle's repl) 2014-12-18T21:55:40Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2014-12-18T21:56:13Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-12-18T21:56:19Z excelsior quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2014-12-18T21:56:53Z amgarchIn9 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:02:07Z davexunit joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:02:54Z tadni_ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:03:41Z tadni_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:07:02Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:07:17Z offby1: I guess it depends on what seems superficial, and what seems important 2014-12-18T22:09:56Z tadni_: I am strongly considering attempting SICP again at the beginning of next year. Is a year and a half, a reasonable alotted time to do so on the backburner? 2014-12-18T22:10:01Z arcwest1 quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 2014-12-18T22:10:16Z offby1: hell, I'd hope so 2014-12-18T22:10:28Z vinleod joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:10:34Z offby1: it was designed for a single course, right? Which was probably a semester? 2014-12-18T22:13:09Z Alestan: Depends on what you mean by backburner :) An hour a week you'd finish in a year and a half; an hour a month you'd probably not. It's less than 600 pages, so that means averaging 2 pages a day or 14 pages a week to finish in a year. 2014-12-18T22:15:11Z tadni_: off, I am concerned because I will be in prepetual catchup due to my current math skills ... or rather lack thereof. 2014-12-18T22:17:54Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:18:36Z amgarchIn9 joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:18:57Z Alestan: Ah, I didn't think it was that math heavy, 'though that may not mean much. 2014-12-18T22:21:06Z przl joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:21:29Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:22:22Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:24:11Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:25:36Z tadni_: Ill probably be fine, I just was scaredcoff prior by it. But really, I was apt to make excuses for just about anything around them. 2014-12-18T22:25:51Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2014-12-18T22:25:55Z derek_c joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:26:08Z tadni_: I just need to paren up, and bare it. 2014-12-18T22:28:39Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:29:13Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:33:12Z alezost quit (Quit: I use GNU Guix ) 2014-12-18T22:34:30Z mikeyhc: l/g 5 2014-12-18T22:37:05Z wasamasa: tadni_: I've found an easier book than SICP to get into scheme btw 2014-12-18T22:39:10Z wasamasa: tadni_: Simply Scheme 2014-12-18T22:40:42Z wasamasa: tadni_: somehow I feel it's what the emacs lisp introduction aimed to be 2014-12-18T22:41:04Z derek_c quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:41:17Z tadni_: Is that the Elephant Book? 2014-12-18T22:41:35Z wasamasa: no 2014-12-18T22:41:50Z wasamasa: it's a book that aims to be a prequel to SICP (according to its authors) 2014-12-18T22:43:03Z tadni_: Oh, os that the one with the guy climbing the mountain on the cover? 2014-12-18T22:43:16Z tadni_: Is 2014-12-18T22:43:24Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:43:38Z wasamasa: does look that way, yes 2014-12-18T22:43:45Z tadni_: Ah yeah, I looked into that before. 2014-12-18T22:45:13Z duggiefresh quit 2014-12-18T22:45:39Z Alestan: If you're just hoping for an introduction, what finally made it all make sense for me was http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html 2014-12-18T22:46:35Z Alestan: It's designed for people who are familiar with other languages, 2014-12-18T22:49:31Z Isp-sec quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-12-18T22:50:10Z tadni_: Ideally, I am just going to push through SICP and that elephant book, but I am surely open to suplemental material. ☺ 2014-12-18T22:51:07Z tadni_: Im hopeful that now I am some factor of mature to handle such a thing now. 2014-12-18T22:53:00Z tadni_: Also, having a set period which to blog about it -- should push me to be somewhat regular. 2014-12-18T22:54:43Z Alestan: Regularity should help, I'm always amazed how quickly I forget things when I move away from a project for a while. 2014-12-18T22:58:18Z tadni_: Ive come to realize that one of my big flaws, is being absolutely obsessive studying something for a few weeks... then just get burnt out and it takes a long while to get back tp get. Having a set amount that is not too overbearing, I think is important for me. The earlier suggest 14 or so pages a week might be a good idea in the lng run. 2014-12-18T22:58:42Z tadni_: back to it. 2014-12-18T22:58:50Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T22:59:13Z peterhil` joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:00:22Z dmiles_afk joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:00:46Z bb010g joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:00:52Z ProbonoB_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-12-18T23:01:20Z ProbonoBonobo joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:02:41Z choas_ joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:03:01Z tobik quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:03:01Z dmiles quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:03:02Z choas quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:03:04Z hiyosi quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:03:05Z peterhil quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:06:57Z tobik joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:08:20Z dweave left #scheme 2014-12-18T23:09:48Z sheilong quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-12-18T23:10:54Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:12:11Z jumblerg joined #scheme 2014-12-18T23:15:05Z jumblerg quit (Client Quit) 2014-12-18T23:17:12Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-12-18T23:32:15Z Atro quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:32:15Z Flaoer quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-12-18T23:39:49Z hiyosi_ quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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