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2014-11-13T00:18:40Z Ryan_Burnside: What implementation would be best for a game requiring many sprites to be rendered? Usually I use SFML but it has no Lisp wrappings of any kind.
2014-11-13T00:30:32Z goglosh: racket? maybe?
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2014-11-13T01:01:51Z Ryan_Burnside: Hmm I can look at racket I guess. Just wanted some opinions to get off on the right foot.
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2014-11-13T03:02:08Z asumu: Ryan_Burnside: A guy I know was working on SFML bindings for Racket, but I don't know how far it got: https://github.com/shargoj/racket-sfml
2014-11-13T03:02:22Z asumu: (in any case, that's a potential starting point)
2014-11-13T03:03:15Z asumu: Ryan_Burnside: you may also be interested in this talk about a 2d game engine in Racket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0Ob2HY8C4&list=PLXr4KViVC0qI9t3lizitiFJ1cFIeN2Gdh&index=5
2014-11-13T03:03:15Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/ne7k6jy
2014-11-13T03:03:26Z asumu: (if you have any questions, you're welcome in #racket as well)
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2014-11-13T03:15:07Z Ryan_Burnside: Sorry asumu didn't scroll down and see your response. Thank you!
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2014-11-13T07:43:09Z HisaoNakai: o/
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2014-11-13T07:49:35Z HisaoNakai: Is "Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days" recommended for beginners? I'm finding it easy to follow, but I recall reading somewhere that it contains outdated content...
2014-11-13T07:54:25Z HisaoNakai: (HtDP seems interesting but it seems too closely tied to DrRacket, I was hoping for something more implementation-agnostic...)
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2014-11-13T07:59:47Z cojy: SICP is pretty good at that
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2014-11-13T08:19:26Z HisaoNakai: cojy: Thank you for your response. But isn't SICP not meant for people new to programming?
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2014-11-13T08:21:33Z cojy: nope, it will take you a long way
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2014-11-13T08:23:11Z HisaoNakai: Cool, I'll get into it :)
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2014-11-13T10:10:34Z taylanub: anyone know the purpose of macros like '(endianness big)', instead of just exposing an endianness-big variable?  since the macro's result must be eq? between invocations, a variable should be fine too.  perhaps it was to work around the lack of immutable bindings?  importing a variable like 'endianness-big' from an R7RS library will make it immutable so that advantage is moot as well now
2014-11-13T10:11:49Z taylanub: and '(endianness foo)' is annoying/counter-intuitive when you happen to be lexically shadowing 'big', 'little', or 'native'.  the macro is one of those which are "meant" to work unhygienically but don't
2014-11-13T10:11:54Z civodul: taylanub: it's the same rationale as for enums, i think; that is, it allows for an expansion-time of the feature
2014-11-13T10:12:10Z civodul: *expansion-time check
2014-11-13T10:13:14Z taylanub: well an unbound variable will error just the same...  indeed a series of endianness-foo variables are essentially enums
2014-11-13T10:16:04Z taylanub: I guess it really comes from the intuition that variables are, well, variable :)  in R6RS they're in fact constants if exported or imported, and in R7RS if imported and as long as the exporting library doesn't mutate them
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2014-11-13T10:16:34Z ecraven: we need (define-constant +endianness-big+ ..) :)
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2014-11-13T10:18:28Z civodul: yeah
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2014-11-13T10:21:14Z taylanub: given immutable imports, that's redundant really
2014-11-13T10:21:42Z taylanub really likes the R7RS library system; just needs 'reexport'
2014-11-13T10:21:44Z ecraven: taylanub: why? I find the +..+ nice :) same as I like *..* for "special globals"
2014-11-13T10:22:02Z taylanub: ecraven: I mean the `define-constant'.  the name is up to you of course.
2014-11-13T10:22:42Z taylanub: just (define +endianness-big+ ...) and export it; it'll be practically a constant.
2014-11-13T10:22:59Z ecraven: taylanub: ah, yea, that'd work too :)
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2014-11-13T12:22:46Z ecraven: there's no way in syntax-rules to make a rule that depends on whether the first parameter is a string or a symbol (not specific but any), is there?
2014-11-13T12:23:32Z taylanub: ecraven: ISTR some really crazy way of detecting whether a syntax-rule input was a symbol, but within boundaries of sanity, no. :(
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2014-11-13T12:35:19Z taylanub: ecraven: apparently it's not *as* crazy as I thought: basically you output a macro where you use the input of the former, and the macro you outputted will either have a non-symbol object literal in it and thus only match that object, or it will have a symbol in it and thus match anything in that position; then you can pass that macro a symbol and if it matches you know that you created an
2014-11-13T12:35:19Z taylanub: anything-matching macro meaning the original input was a symbol
2014-11-13T12:35:50Z taylanub: ecraven: this only implements `symbol?' as a macro though, not `string?'
2014-11-13T12:35:54Z ecraven: too complicated, I'd just ditch syntax-rules before doing that :)
2014-11-13T12:36:03Z taylanub: heh, yeah
2014-11-13T12:36:22Z taylanub: BTW source is http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html#syntax-rule-dark-corner
2014-11-13T12:36:47Z taylanub: er, wrong hash link.  http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html#macro-symbol-p
2014-11-13T12:37:55Z ecraven: does (define-url-handler (get "/" (username string) (password string) (age number)) ...) seem intuitive?
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2014-11-13T12:48:34Z taylanub: ecraven: I suppose username, password, and age are either HTTP headers or query parameters?
2014-11-13T12:48:43Z ecraven: query parameters
2014-11-13T12:48:50Z ecraven: (or post parameters, whatever is given)
2014-11-13T12:48:53Z taylanub: makes sense
2014-11-13T12:49:32Z ecraven: just thinking about cramming as much as possible into that one form, there's so many things you *might* want to match :-/
2014-11-13T12:49:46Z taylanub: by the way while already using something more powerful than syntax-rules, you might want to match keywords such as 'get', 'string', 'number' etc. unhygienically; i.e. match them even if they're lexically bound to something
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2014-11-13T12:50:25Z ecraven: I'm using syntax-rules at the moment, I'm just forwarding the keywords in a quoted list, not really matching them
2014-11-13T12:50:44Z taylanub: ah, quotation is fine
2014-11-13T12:51:00Z taylanub: (just means they'll have to be processed at run-time)
2014-11-13T12:52:48Z ecraven: good enough, I'm around 3-6000 requests/second at the moment including parameter parsing according to apache ab :)
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2014-11-13T12:57:00Z ecraven: for testing, fast :)     (define-url-handler (any "/fast") (format #t "Fast"))
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2014-11-13T23:47:48Z Lingo: Working on a paper for a programming languages course, with my selected language being Scheme... one of the things that I need to cover is "summary of standard libraries (or classes) that extend your language's type system"   I take it libraries that 'extend the type system" would be a very small subset of the standard libraries listed here:
2014-11-13T23:47:48Z Lingo: http://www.r6rs.org/final/r6rs-lib.pdf ?
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