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2014-11-12T01:22:33Z Tbone139: I've got this function that gives correct values for low arguments but gives a wrong value when passed (expt 10 18). Is there a chance it would work if I avoiding fractional sub-loop arguments?
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2014-11-12T01:30:08Z jcowan: hoi
2014-11-12T01:36:20Z mark_weaver: Tbone139: which scheme implementation are you using?  it sounds like your scheme implementation doesn't support large integers.
2014-11-12T01:37:04Z Tbone139: getting the same erroneous value in mit-scheme and dr.racket 5.3.4
2014-11-12T01:38:02Z mark_weaver: well, it's probably a bug in your function then.
2014-11-12T01:38:32Z mark_weaver: you haven't given me enough information to say more.
2014-11-12T01:39:41Z mark_weaver: if your function uses inexact arithmetic, perhaps you're losing precision due to roundoff errors.
2014-11-12T01:41:07Z Tbone139: seems most likely, the problem asks for the last 9 digits of the sum, which expands past 10^53 without any modulos (project euler)
2014-11-12T01:42:06Z mark_weaver: which project euler problem is it?
2014-11-12T01:42:59Z Tbone139: 488 - my function gives expected values for 8 and 128, as well as 14 which I checked against manually
2014-11-12T01:45:10Z Tbone139: currently defining my own +, *, and - alternatives to truncate wherever I can
2014-11-12T01:45:59Z mark_weaver: if you show me the code, I can take a look.
2014-11-12T01:46:49Z Tbone139: https://bpaste.net/show/789c44b71d05
2014-11-12T01:48:47Z mark_weaver: Tbone139: I would try replacing the inexact numeric constants 1.5, 3.5, 5.5, and 0.5 with their exact counterparts: 3/2, 7/2, 11/2, and 1/2
2014-11-12T01:49:12Z Tbone139: ahh, changing now!
2014-11-12T01:49:22Z mark_weaver: I don't see any other sources of inexact arithmetic in there.
2014-11-12T01:49:58Z mark_weaver: alternatively, you can make them exact by simply putting "#e" in front, e.g. #e1.5
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2014-11-12T01:59:24Z mark_weaver: Tbone139: fwiw, when using exact arithmetic, you'll get better performance if you avoid non-integers.  I haven't looked carefully at this code, but since I see multiples of 1/2, it might be possible to redefine those variables to be double their current values.
2014-11-12T01:59:53Z Tbone139: Yep, already rewriting as such. Thanks again!
2014-11-12T01:59:56Z mark_weaver: np!
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2014-11-12T02:05:12Z jcowan: mark_weaver: Unfortunately, not all Schemes treat #e1.5 correctly: some of them treat it as equivalent to (inexact->exact 1.5).
2014-11-12T02:05:48Z mark_weaver: jcowan: ah, that's lame :-/
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2014-11-12T02:08:05Z jcowan: Alas.
2014-11-12T02:09:51Z mark_weaver: with small multiples of 1/2, it should be okay anyway, but I'd be curious to know which schemes say (eqv? 1/10 #e0.1) => #f
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2014-11-12T02:34:11Z Tbone139: a hot shower and switching over to integers did it!
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2014-11-12T02:35:45Z mark_weaver: Tbone139: that's good!
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2014-11-12T04:40:26Z vanila: Is anyone familiar with haskell progamming language? esp. implementation
2014-11-12T04:40:53Z vanila: They tell me it does tail call elimination, but i don't think it does
2014-11-12T04:41:12Z vanila: what do you think ?
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2014-11-12T04:48:07Z asumu: vanila: you may get more helpful answers in #haskell. Also the second Google result explains this in detail: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13042353/does-haskell-have-tail-recursive-optimization
2014-11-12T04:48:07Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/ppdhu33
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2014-11-12T18:16:38Z ecraven: Riastradh: did you sqlite interface ever make it into mit/gnu scheme proper? I'd love to use it, but would prefer not to do my own custom version of scheme
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2014-11-12T18:35:16Z Riastradh: ecraven: Nope, not yet.
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2014-11-12T18:46:13Z ecraven: Riastradh: any plans to do it soon?
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2014-11-12T18:46:32Z ecraven: right now I'm using my own ffi solution, but that's definitely inferior to yours :)
2014-11-12T18:47:52Z Riastradh: Been planning to make the microcode install header files necessary to build extensions out of tree.
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2014-11-12T18:48:46Z ecraven: is there a reason not to include this in-tree/
2014-11-12T18:48:48Z ecraven: ?
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2014-11-12T18:52:18Z Riastradh: Silly to put everything into one tree.
2014-11-12T18:52:31Z Riastradh: Should be independently buildable.
2014-11-12T18:52:37Z ecraven: hehe, that is very true
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2014-11-12T18:55:35Z Riastradh: git.sv.gnu.org broken?
2014-11-12T18:56:39Z ecraven: it shows a simple page here
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2014-11-12T18:57:37Z ecraven: but doesn't do much  :(
2014-11-12T18:59:20Z taylanub: Emacs is transitioning to git; might be under huge load.
2014-11-12T19:00:11Z davexunit: Riastradh: FSF sysadmin is aware of the issue
2014-11-12T19:00:19Z Riastradh: OK.
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2014-11-12T21:30:52Z BW^-: which are the matureScheme implementations that can be run on the JVM (and preferably have call/cc)?
2014-11-12T21:31:06Z BW^-: so, we got SISC, Kawa and Bigloo.
2014-11-12T21:31:35Z BW^-: any more?
2014-11-12T21:31:58Z ijp: I don't think kawa has call/cc
2014-11-12T21:32:58Z taylanub: didn't know Bigloo runs on the JVM...  SISC seems unmaintained.  Kawa is under development; would be my go-to JVM Scheme
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2014-11-12T21:33:17Z taylanub: ijp: how much is call/cc actually used in the wild?  it's considered harmful anyway :P
2014-11-12T21:34:30Z ijp: taylanub: you should be asking the person who wants it
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2014-11-12T21:35:08Z taylanub: TIL Bigloo is by INRIA
2014-11-12T21:35:57Z taylanub: and didn't know they were legitimately aiming at C++ levels of performance either .. that's neat
2014-11-12T21:45:57Z BW^-: taylanub: call/cc is *ESSENTIAL*
2014-11-12T21:46:09Z BW^-: taylanub: it's used whenever you need return points, in particular nontrivial return points
2014-11-12T21:46:14Z BW^-: ijp: me.
2014-11-12T21:46:54Z BW^-: taylanub: Bigloo has issues though, it's unsymmetric internally in several respects, for instance it prepends its non-fixnum numbers with a "Z" in the serialized form - Duh
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2014-11-12T21:47:06Z BW^-: and it's hardwired to a weird module systme.
2014-11-12T21:47:50Z taylanub: BW^-: hm, R7RS has `guard' at least which a system with no call/cc could still implement with some throw/catch system
2014-11-12T21:48:54Z BW^-: taylanub: yeah sure, that kind of stuff is of use in limited, non-holistic systems, for which of course there are an infinity of usecases, just like pure call/cc has an infinity of usecases too
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2014-11-12T22:15:39Z BW^-: wait
2014-11-12T22:15:48Z BW^-: MzScheme seems to have JIT output?! hmm
2014-11-12T22:16:15Z taylanub: BW^-: MzScheme is what became Racket, no?
2014-11-12T22:18:02Z BW^-: taylanub: yes.
2014-11-12T22:18:08Z BW^-: ah, JIT was not in the Java sense of the word
2014-11-12T22:18:12Z BW^-: as I got it
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2014-11-12T22:21:21Z goglosh: I saw an underground scheme project at some MIT website
2014-11-12T22:21:34Z goglosh: had a broken link to a scheme shell project
2014-11-12T22:22:07Z goglosh: is that old-long-dead-forgotten-and-buried-in-a-dated-server project?
2014-11-12T22:22:50Z Riastradh: Called scsh, some folks are/were recently (past several years) working on bringing it up to date again, dunno details, might ask Olin Shivers at Northeastern.
2014-11-12T22:23:10Z taylanub: Guile has a port of it too AFAIK
2014-11-12T22:23:40Z goglosh: oh I see, I couldn't find a date on it so I didn't know
2014-11-12T22:23:44Z goglosh: was a cool idea though
2014-11-12T22:24:34Z BW^-: goglosh,Riastradh: and what did the project do?
2014-11-12T22:25:04Z Riastradh: http://scsh.net/
2014-11-12T22:25:20Z goglosh: something about taking over the world
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