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2014-11-09T00:25:37Z funktionsRkewl: vanila: sorry, what's reading?
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2014-11-09T00:26:08Z vanila: lisp is so simple you don't have to parse it, just read it
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2014-11-09T00:29:27Z funktionsRkewl: right, going to hit google, I thought parsing was just the stuff before evaluating, like making sure all the tokens have meaning
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2014-11-09T02:08:56Z nerock398: Hello everyone
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2014-11-09T02:48:26Z nerock398: Hello anyone there
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2014-11-09T02:49:34Z offby1: nobody here but us zombie processes.
2014-11-09T02:52:39Z nerock398: are you a scheme programmer?
2014-11-09T02:52:40Z nerock398: lol
2014-11-09T02:59:10Z rudybot: nerock398: he claims to be a scheme programmer, but you can't trust anything he says
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2014-11-09T03:14:16Z nerock398: I really need help on somethign i cant quite figure out
2014-11-09T03:15:02Z nerock398: Does anyone in here know scheme?
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2014-11-09T03:23:34Z cojy: what do you need help with
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z offby1: rudybot knows scheme pretty well
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z offby1: rudybot: (+ 1 2 3 (* 8 9 10) (exp 2 20))
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z rudybot: *offby1: error: exp: arity mismatch; <NEWLINE>  the expected number of arguments does not match the given number <NEWLINE>   expected: 1 <NEWLINE>   given: 2 <NEWLINE>   arguments...: <NEWLINE>    2 <NEWLINE>    20
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z offby1: heh
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z offby1: rudybot: (+ 1 2 3 (* 8 9 10) (expt 2 20))
2014-11-09T03:25:59Z rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: 1049302
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2014-11-09T03:35:59Z nerock398: http://ideone.com/ZroAbu
2014-11-09T03:36:03Z nerock398: with that
2014-11-09T03:36:44Z nerock398: I made a function but i dont understand why when i do (test '(1 2 3 4))
2014-11-09T03:36:55Z nerock398: it gives me back (1 2 3 4)
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2014-11-09T03:38:22Z nerock398: cojy: do you know what my problem is?
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2014-11-09T03:41:07Z cojy: im not sure its a problem but i can tell you why it happens
2014-11-09T03:41:21Z cojy: (define (revhalf x L) L)
2014-11-09T03:41:33Z cojy: that wont do anything other than return L
2014-11-09T03:41:37Z nerock398: see, i thought thats what it was
2014-11-09T03:41:45Z nerock398: how can i get it to return me a number
2014-11-09T03:41:56Z nerock398: i mean list
2014-11-09T03:43:33Z cojy: it does return a list
2014-11-09T03:43:35Z cojy: the one you put in
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2014-11-09T03:43:51Z cojy: do you want it to do something to the list before returning it
2014-11-09T03:43:58Z cojy: like use the rest of the code thats there
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2014-11-09T03:45:32Z nerock398: yeah, i want it to basically reverse the lists in half For example: (reverseListHalves '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)) would return (4 3 2 1 5 9 8 7 6).
2014-11-09T03:45:58Z nerock398: if its odd it leaves the middle number alone
2014-11-09T03:47:33Z nerock398: I was thinking counting the list splitting it in half then reversing the right side then do the same to the left side
2014-11-09T03:47:43Z nerock398: and concatenate the whole thing together into one list
2014-11-09T03:49:51Z cojy: that sounds like a good plan to me
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2014-11-09T03:56:58Z cojy: nerock398: you can do it in a single function pretty easy, take the length with (length some-list)
2014-11-09T03:57:47Z cojy: then test if its even with (even? len), then you can (/ len 2) to get the spot you want to split at
2014-11-09T03:58:25Z cojy: traverse the list till that point collecting what you've passed and incrementing/decrementing a counter until you hit the middle
2014-11-09T03:58:33Z cojy: and return what you've collected with what's left
2014-11-09T03:58:38Z cojy: appended with*
2014-11-09T04:02:20Z cojy: https://www.refheap.com/92950
2014-11-09T04:09:51Z cojy: does that help nerock398
2014-11-09T04:13:34Z pjb: nerock398: http://paste.lisp.org/+33CR
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2014-11-09T04:24:36Z pjb: nerock398: actually, I meant the following, in a single pass: http://paste.lisp.org/+33CR/1
2014-11-09T04:25:05Z cojy: did you benchmark it against mine pjb
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2014-11-09T04:25:53Z pjb: cojy: no need. Mine doesn't conses three times the length of the list like yours.
2014-11-09T04:27:13Z cojy: i wonder why it would go and do that
2014-11-09T04:28:04Z pjb: append and length are O(n) operations.
2014-11-09T04:28:26Z pjb: It's even worse that that, you're using append in a loop, so you have a O(n²) operation here.
2014-11-09T04:28:36Z cojy: did you read the code?
2014-11-09T04:28:54Z cojy: it doesn't append in a loop
2014-11-09T04:29:19Z pjb: Ok, but append copies l or (cdr l).
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2014-11-09T04:35:01Z cojy: i think it might have been intentional for readability
2014-11-09T04:35:11Z cojy: but who knows why code does the thing it does
2014-11-09T04:39:31Z pjb: I don't mind (define (revhalf lst) (let ((mid (truncate (length lst) 2))) (append (reverse (subseq lst 0 mid)) (reverse (subseq lst mid))))), but if you consider it as an exercise in list manipulation, perhaps we want to minimize memory accesses.  (also, notice I didn't left the middle element in the middle in the case of an odd length).
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2014-11-09T12:27:03Z Nerock: can someone help me reverse a list and truncate the end?
2014-11-09T12:27:30Z Nerock: i basically have the functions i just cant seem to implement them or see whats wrong
2014-11-09T12:27:45Z Nerock: http://ideone.com/GQRSQc
2014-11-09T12:28:48Z Nerock: when i do (revhalf '(1 2 3 4 5 6)) i just get back (6 5 4 3 2 1)
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2014-11-09T13:04:38Z fizzie: Nerock: "removelastHalf" seems to take the first x elements, and you give it (Length L) as x, so it won't really do anything, as that's all of the list. (The code in general is also somewhat messy.)
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2014-11-09T21:54:41Z micahjam97: hello every body!
2014-11-09T21:55:15Z micahjam97: I wanted to learn Lisp and wasn't wether to try learning Common Lisp or Scheme first
2014-11-09T21:55:42Z MichaelRaskin: Scheme is smaller and cleaner
2014-11-09T21:56:02Z MichaelRaskin: (And I use Common Lisp in my day job, so not just a Scheme fanatic)
2014-11-09T21:56:48Z MichaelRaskin: So if the question is about learning, grab any Scheme that looks nice (or Racket, which is Scheme descendant) and learn it
2014-11-09T21:57:12Z micahjam97: what does scheme have over CL
2014-11-09T21:57:23Z MichaelRaskin: The language specification is shorter
2014-11-09T21:57:47Z antoszka: micahjam97: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispSchemeDifferences
2014-11-09T21:58:49Z offby1: micahjam97: scheme is probably improving faster
2014-11-09T21:59:00Z offby1: not all that fast, but faster than CL
2014-11-09T21:59:32Z cojy: scheme has better learning materials
2014-11-09T21:59:37Z cojy: is the most important thing
2014-11-09T22:00:06Z MichaelRaskin: Especially if you want to learn it systematically…
2014-11-09T22:00:13Z MichaelRaskin: Even the standard is readable
2014-11-09T22:00:20Z antoszka: CL is improving in the form of libraries. There won't be an updated CL ANSI spec any time soon.
2014-11-09T22:00:47Z MichaelRaskin: Tutorials for Lisp teach you to hack your way through the problem to get to the level where you can read the specification
2014-11-09T22:00:51Z antoszka: (and implementations, some of which are excellent). They're just different languages with different goals in mind.
2014-11-09T22:01:03Z antoszka: Superficially similar.
2014-11-09T22:01:11Z antoszka: Learn both.
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2014-11-09T22:01:34Z MichaelRaskin: Also, Scheme thinks that functions are ordinary values and Lisp differentiates functions-stored-in-variables and globally-defined functions in more interesting ways
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2014-11-09T23:08:04Z taylanub: MichaelRaskin: functions are ordinary values in any lisp; in lisp-2 there's just an additional function namespace where symbols can refer to said functions.
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2014-11-09T23:08:37Z taylanub: or are 'defun'ed functions and those created with 'lambda' somehow fundamentally different in CL?
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2014-11-09T23:09:14Z MichaelRaskin: No, not fundamentally
2014-11-09T23:09:18Z MichaelRaskin: Only naming
2014-11-09T23:10:09Z MichaelRaskin: You can extract function-value out of defun'ed symbol, or change defun'ed symbol function to a function value you provide
2014-11-09T23:19:52Z sigjuice: Can someone help me understand a basic math thing from SICP?
2014-11-09T23:22:22Z vanila: yes
2014-11-09T23:24:15Z sigjuice: The section 'Streams and Delayed Evaluation' talks about solving the differential equation dy/dt = f(y)
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2014-11-09T23:25:06Z sigjuice: Is y supposed to be a function in t? If yes, then I am not sure what f(y) refers to.
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2014-11-09T23:25:58Z vanila: which section is that?
2014-11-09T23:26:02Z vanila: if they write dy/dt then y must be a function of t
2014-11-09T23:26:10Z vanila: f(y) could be short for f(y(t))
2014-11-09T23:26:31Z sigjuice: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-24.html#%_sec_3.5.4
2014-11-09T23:28:57Z vanila: the example they give is to solve  dy/dt = y
2014-11-09T23:29:04Z vanila: wth y(0) = 1
2014-11-09T23:29:05Z micahjam97: are you talking about calculus?
2014-11-09T23:29:11Z vanila: yes
2014-11-09T23:30:01Z vanila: so that's a function whose slope is equal to itself
2014-11-09T23:30:11Z vanila: remember that  d/dx exp(x) = exp(x)
2014-11-09T23:30:25Z vanila: so  y = exp(t)  solves this,
2014-11-09T23:30:38Z vanila: that's just one example
2014-11-09T23:31:05Z vanila: I guess this procedure can find almost any function whose slope is some given function
2014-11-09T23:33:33Z micahjam97: dy/dt is the same as y = (lim Dt -> 0)( (f(t + Dt) - f(t)) / Dt) in mathe mathmatical notation
2014-11-09T23:34:42Z micahjam97: Dt is the change in t
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2014-11-09T23:39:16Z sigjuice: I understand that the left side is the derivative of a function. i.e. the operator d/dt applied to a function y(t)
2014-11-09T23:40:31Z sigjuice: I am still not clear on what the right side f(y) means.  (or f(y(t)) as vanilla suggested)
2014-11-09T23:40:53Z vanila: so the LHS is a function of t
2014-11-09T23:41:00Z vanila: since it's the derivative of a function of t
2014-11-09T23:41:07Z vanila: an the RHS must be the same thing too, then
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2014-11-09T23:41:46Z vanila: although it defines a function implicitly
2014-11-09T23:41:56Z sigjuice: that makes sense. but then why not say the right side is f(t), in that case?
2014-11-09T23:42:06Z Nerock: is this the scheme progranming lang chatroom?
2014-11-09T23:42:11Z vanila: Nerock, yes
2014-11-09T23:42:27Z vanila: sigjuice, I think that's because it can't be any old function of t, must be a function of y of t
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2014-11-09T23:43:38Z Nerock: weuld anyone be willing to help me with this? I just want to reverse half of the list and trow the rest away http://ideone.com/GQRSQc
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2014-11-09T23:50:31Z cojy: Nerock: did you see my paste last night
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