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2014-09-19T05:51:50Z vanila: it comes from (let ((a (f)) (b (g)) (c (h))) (go a b c))
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2014-09-19T08:56:09Z CaptainRant: How do i shuffle a list properly ? Sort with a (random ...) lambda ?
2014-09-19T08:56:36Z CaptainRant: On some implementations thus can be time based, so i don't know how good it shuffles.
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2014-09-19T09:16:32Z C-Keen: CaptainRant: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.scheme/JCcNsB9oRDk
2014-09-19T09:17:08Z C-Keen: also http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/perfect-shuffle.txt
2014-09-19T09:17:25Z C-Keen: but I think that also gets mentioned in the c.l.s. thread
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2014-09-19T18:27:17Z Riastradh: theseb: Leave a note or send an email -- I'm not interactive right now.
2014-09-19T18:31:13Z theseb: Riastradh: sure! :)...no rush...just wondering if you were into the excitement about the Guile-Emacs progress...i know you use a another Scheme Emacs clone so didn't know
2014-09-19T18:31:34Z Riastradh: Nope, haven't heard anything about it.
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2014-09-19T18:32:02Z theseb: Riastradh: it is kinda/sorta working....not just vaporware anymore.... my hope is that means more hackers will join the fun
2014-09-19T18:33:53Z vanila: What I'd like to know is: what the heck is the point?
2014-09-19T18:33:56Z vanila: emacs already works
2014-09-19T18:34:08Z vanila: aren't they just going to break things?
2014-09-19T18:34:33Z theseb: vanila: well Guile is the standard extenion language so it makes sense to pull Emacs into the guile universe for one
2014-09-19T18:34:37Z theseb: vanila: but beyond that
2014-09-19T18:35:15Z theseb: vanila: it is FASTER....has better FFI support and other goodies...plus..ideally it will Just Work so you won't notice Emacs has changed in any way EXCEPT that it is FASTER all of a sudden :)
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2014-09-19T18:35:54Z theseb: vanila: the FFIs mean everyone and their brother can write extensions in their favorite language...Lua, Perl, Javascript..sky's the limit
2014-09-19T18:36:13Z vanila: why not rewrite emacs?
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2014-09-19T18:37:05Z theseb: vanila: why?
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2014-09-19T18:37:23Z vanila: to make it simpler
2014-09-19T18:37:25Z theseb: vanila: well....the desire to salvage 30 years of elisp code
2014-09-19T18:37:37Z theseb: vanila: the hard part was to implement elisp in scheme
2014-09-19T18:37:48Z vanila: that doesnt make sense, you don't need to salvage elisp - emacs already runs it fine
2014-09-19T18:37:52Z theseb: vanila: now there is a libguile that drops into emacs and allows Emacs to run on the guile runtime!
2014-09-19T18:38:20Z vanila: its hard for me to understand the positive aspect of this
2014-09-19T18:38:27Z theseb: vanila: to run the elisp code from guile ....guile needed to have elisp libraries
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2014-09-19T18:38:35Z theseb: vanila: i listed to bennies above
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2014-09-19T18:51:23Z vanila: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrKj4hYic5A
2014-09-19T18:51:28Z vanila: Nada Amin - Programming Should Eat Itself
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2014-09-19T19:05:56Z ecraven: just in case this is interesting, PilMCU, picoLisp in hardware: http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg04823.html
2014-09-19T19:08:52Z pjb: There was already scheme chips.
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2014-09-19T19:10:00Z ecraven: yes, but this might be obtainable, as far as I know, there is no way to buy any of the Scheme chips
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2014-09-19T19:10:46Z pjb: ecraven: you mean, today there could be a VC silly enough to give them money to make a commercial chip?  I'm not sure.
2014-09-19T19:10:59Z pjb: Not saying that I wouldn't consider making a CL compiler targetting this chip.
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2014-09-19T19:13:52Z ecraven: pjb: the point is, even if it is an fpga, with some sort of usb3 interface, it might be interesting, if it's fast enough
2014-09-19T19:14:08Z ecraven: like a teensy or arduino, but running a better language :)
2014-09-19T19:14:27Z pjb: definitely.
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2014-09-19T19:15:33Z vanila: wouldn't it be better to  use a linear lisp or something else resource constrained?
2014-09-19T19:17:07Z pjb: The universe is big, hardware resources are plentiful.
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