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01:41:49 ski, hi sweetie. 01:42:35 Well 'identical' is a poor phrasing, let me rephrase to 'paramater objects are basically a form of impure functions' 01:42:36 They are functions that don't always return the same value given the same arguments and whose calling has a side effect 01:51:09 i agree about that (though the kind of side-effects is weaker than state side-effects, so not as bad for reasoning) 01:51:30 of course, your parameter implementation has similar side-effects 01:51:46 (maybe slightly weaker ones) 01:51:59 ski, well, they can be statically rewritten to explicit argument passing can't they? 01:52:37 so ? 01:52:46 I'm fine with set! abstracted in macros if it doesn't leak, like in say letrec 01:52:57 one can do that with mutable locations as well 01:53:28 Ahli[DE] : well, in the presence of continuations, it does leak :) 01:53:45 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:23 peterhil 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[~py@122.172.187.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:31 pjb: an explanation would have been worth more than an answer 12:23:08 visualshock: you know from the definition of pcons, that it returns a procedure of two arguments 12:23:21 yep 12:23:26 the first argument corresponds to the first argument to cons (the car), and the second to the second argument of cons 12:23:59 so to get the car, you supply a function that returns the first of its arguments 12:24:01 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.72.64.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:04 The explanation is that visualshock you're nothing thinking properly. You don't need the arguments from a random procedure. That doesn't mean anything. The functions returned by p-cons are closures onver x and y, the parameters passed to p-cons. Those functions take as argument a function of two parameters, to which it passes those x and y parameters. 12:24:27 So to use a p-cons, you need to pass to it a function that takes two parameters. Then you do whatever you want with them. 12:25:02 eg. to print a p-cons: ((p-cons 1 2) (lambda (a d) (display "(") (display a) (display " . ") (display d) (display ")"))) 12:26:34 przl [~przlrkt@62.72.64.50] has joined #scheme 12:27:15 or even ((p-cons 1 2) cons) to get an actual cons 12:27:50 ah okey, thanks for explaining it for me. 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(((((() . x) . x) . x) . x) . x) looks bad 17:43:29 sligooz [~sligooz@92.63.105.129] has joined #scheme 17:43:42 visualshock: reverse? 17:44:06 yeah, but then it gets world hello 17:45:47 visualshock: (reverse (cons 'world (cons 'hello '()))) --> (hello world) 17:46:06 (cons 'hello (cons 'world '())) --> (hello world) ; is pretty and direct. 17:48:38 thanks 17:48:48 rudybot: (define (snoc d a) (cons a d)) 17:48:49 stamourv: your sandbox is ready 17:48:50 stamourv: Done. 17:48:59 rudybot: (foldr snoc '() '(a b c)) 17:49:00 stamourv: ; Value: '(((() . c) . b) . a) 17:49:11 visualshock: ^ 17:49:35 visualshock: notice that structurally, there's no difference between car or cdr. So the above structure is a perfectly good representation for a list containing x x x x x. 17:49:51 visualshock: you can define a print function for this kind of car-list. 17:50:36 okey 17:51:08 -!- marsbot is now known as marsam 17:51:16 I have tried to make a tail recursion decode(huffman), but I am not sure if it really is tail recursion. http://pastebin.com/mR5jxkCX 17:51:19 visualshock: sometimes, I define a snoc function: (define (snoc d a) (cons a d)) 17:51:21 visualshock : is there a reason you have left-nested pairs in this way ? 17:51:32 useful when using with foldr or foldl. 17:53:34 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:53:43 ski, well, it gave me the correct result 17:53:57 but now I juse reverse it 17:54:02 -!- aftersha_ [~textual@h-243-81.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:54:06 are you sure it's correct ? 17:54:49 Of course, you could also define a more general (define (reverse-argument fun) (lambda arguments (apply fun (reverse arguments)))) so you may write (foldr (reverse-argument cons) '() '(1 2 3 4)) instead of (foldr snoc '() '(1 2 3 4)) :-) 17:56:46 karswell [~user@87.112.118.233] has joined #scheme 17:57:17 ski, yes I have used a sample tree to test it 17:58:58 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:22 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 18:01:52 -!- marsam is now known as marsbot 18:01:55 Okasu [~1@188.162.64.107] has joined #scheme 18:01:58 -!- Okasu [~1@188.162.64.107] has quit [Changing host] 18:01:58 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 18:02:16 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 18:02:56 ijp [~user@host86-148-149-78.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:03:03 langmartin [~langmarti@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 18:05:56 developernotes [~developer@173-29-199-75.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 18:07:37 jxv [~jxv@71-84-192-255.dhcp.wsco.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:08:19 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-137-24.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:08:46 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-154-28.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:12:30 -!- sligooz [~sligooz@92.63.105.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:23 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:36 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 18:27:59 -!- nisstyre_ [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 18:35:04 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:35 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 18:42:18 tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-118-148-98.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:44:03 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD62B60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:58:11 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:59 -!- visualshock [~visualsho@1x-193.157.225.214.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:06 troydm [~troydm@unaffiliated/troydm] has joined #scheme 19:23:23 why can't i access the final R7RS Draft pdf? 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