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Anyone know if there a way to get the documentation for a function in MIT Scheme from the repl? 14:47:33 juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has joined #scheme 14:52:54 justinleitgeb: have you tried (help 'car) ? On some scheme that works. 14:53:37 pjb: that gives me, ;Unbound variable: help 14:54:55 -!- ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:59:59 Unfortunately, on recent linux distributions, mit-scheme doesn't work here. I've switched to bigloo. 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I'm using emacs with print statements but because lisp is so recursive it is hard to follow the code and see where bugs are 21:30:25 test cases? 21:37:48 yayutf_: i have a macro.....invocing it blows up...so i can't test anything 21:38:06 Sounds like you already know where the bug is ? :P 21:41:21 taylanub: yes but HOW do i track it down in a big lambda func blob that i can run? 21:41:46 Split it up into smaller pieces ? That's just general programming best-practice. 21:41:58 General engineering best-practice, even. 21:45:23 BTW I don't see what you mean with "lisp is so recursive", a simple tail-recursive procedure shouldn't be any more complicated than a GOTO-using looping construct (more complicated cases should actually be simpler with the tail-recursive method), (non-tail) recursive procedures are just as common in any other language, and otherwise I don't think there should be much of a difference from a more imperative language regarding the depth of 21:45:23 your call-stack. 21:45:34 -!- weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:47:53 tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has joined #scheme 21:57:14 taylanub: what i meant by recursive is the movement through your code is like a random walk as eval winds through all the lists 21:57:37 taylanub: as compared to say C or Python where the movement thru the source is usually straight down line by line 21:57:52 (with a few loops thrown in) 21:58:49 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59:23 tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has joined #scheme 22:01:18 theseb: you want a macro stepper? 22:02:08 theseb: that will show you how your code gets expanded 22:07:47 theseb: That just sounds like you structured your code badly or something. 22:18:09 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:18:36 dsevilla [~user@199.Red-83-54-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:52 theseb: Hrm, perhaps one uses more temporary variables in imperative code, such that it's simpler to log them. In Guile we have `peek' which you can wrap any expression in and it outputs the value and then returns it (making no difference in the program behavior other than having the value at that point logged), maybe you'd find that useful. 22:21:59 E.g. (foo (bar (peek (baz quux)))) is equivalent to (foo (bar (baz quux))) but logs the result of (baz quux) in between. 22:31:06 pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has joined #scheme 22:32:19 -!- pecg [~pecg@unaffiliated/pecg] has quit [Client Quit] 22:36:01 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD93CC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:36:27 taylanub [tub@p4FD9179E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:37:39 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD603E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:40:39 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD603E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:49:14 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:56:10 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:26 Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has joined #scheme 23:06:15 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:00 -!- dsevilla [~user@199.Red-83-54-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:32 -!- juxovec_ [~juxovec@155.Red-80-32-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:00 juxovec [~juxovec@155.Red-80-32-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:00 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-66-30-12-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:14:52 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@155.Red-80-32-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:53 juxovec_ [~juxovec@155.Red-80-32-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:16:05 I'm learning a bit of debugging from 'Scheme and the Art of Programming'. 23:16:40 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:58 juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has joined #scheme 23:17:15 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 23:17:59 I have one for enter and exit. so it prints the value of something while entering and while exiting something. 23:18:39 I would think you could define and wrap procedures around anything, for debugging.. 23:19:02 jao [~jao@163.122.14.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 23:19:06 -!- jao [~jao@163.122.14.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Changing host] 23:19:06 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:19:13 but I know nothing about stepping through a scheme program with an interactive debugger. 23:19:57 -!- juxovec_ [~juxovec@155.Red-80-32-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:21:09 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:21:15 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:21:40 tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has joined #scheme 23:26:21 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:29 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:10 juanfra [~juanfra@unaffiliated/juanfra] has joined #scheme 23:35:12 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 23:42:55 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-134-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43:24 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-161-165.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:44:23 juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has joined #scheme 23:49:16 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:50:12 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:37 juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has joined #scheme 23:56:10 ASau` [~user@p54AFE507.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:56:15 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@31.4.243.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]