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(abs (- (caar positions) (car p))) 15:15:09 (abs (- (cdar positions) (cdr p))))))) (cdr positions))))) 15:15:13 ==> ";Syntactic keyword may not be used as an expression: #[keyword-value-item 15]" ? 15:16:03 See topic for a suitable paste site, makes code reading easier. 15:17:05 AND is not a procedure. You can use it only at the beginning of a form, as in (and x y z), not (accumulate and ...). 15:17:44 that sucks 15:18:23 Belaf1 [~campedel@net-2-40-6-81.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:18:33 Riastradh: why isn't `and' a procedure? 15:18:39 You could (let ((&& (lambda (a b) (and a b))) ... 15:18:49 Because 'and' does short-circuiting 15:18:59 (and #f "this is never evaluated") 15:19:25 (and (ok-to-do-launch-the-missiles?) 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17:37:15 in Python/C/Java the source was typically lots of single LINES so it was obvious how to indent 17:37:32 in Scheme typically you have long lists that span multiple lines 17:37:37 so i'm in a new world 17:38:20 There's various standard fairly-simple rules; most editors that understand indenting should cope automatically 17:38:22 I know vim does anyway 17:38:28 jcowan_ [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 17:38:49 -!- jcowan_ [~John@earth.ccil.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:58 theseb: take a look at http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt 17:39:07 LeoNerd: thanky, is Emacs's scheme mode pretty good.....Common Lisp folks rave about SLIME but i guess that isn't for scheme 17:39:07 jcowan [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 17:39:48 mario-goulart: very cool..thanks!!! and by #scheme's very own native! 17:39:52 Well I don't use emacs so I can't comment on how good it is, but given the thing is lisp-driven anyway I would imagine its support should be pretty good 17:40:20 yw! 17:41:34 theseb: I think some scheme implementations support slime too. 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(emacs in scheme)? would it be better to port GNU Emacs to Scheme? 18:24:46 well maybe both projects could merge somehow... 18:25:15 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 18:30:43 theseb: to a first approximation, nobody uses Edwin. 18:30:55 and it'll never be merged with GNU emacs 18:32:21 and probably emacs with all the packages is too huge to rewrite 18:32:30 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:32:35 theseb: Likely Guile and Emacs will be integrated in the next couple years, then you'll have Scheme natively in Emacs (being able to call Elisp functions and consume Elisp data types natively as if they were Scheme procedures and other data types) 18:32:43 but it looks like elisp changes and becomes nicer 18:33:26 rudybot: Heard of GuileEmacs ? 18:33:29 taylanub: I wonder if we should push the current GuileEmacs page to GuileEmacsHistory, and use GuileEmacs for guilemacs progress. 18:33:44 rudybot: use "incontrovertible" in a sentence 18:33:44 offby1: laws are just theories so incontrovertible that no one bothers to try to check any more. 18:33:48 *taylanub* was hoping for a link :P 18:33:50 rudybot: botsnack 18:33:50 this is going straight to my thighs 18:33:51 that guile thing would be nice, but i've heard that it's elisp implementation is not exactly the same as in emacs or smth 18:35:39 Hmm. It has been the case that `likely Guile and Emacs will be integrated in the next couple years' for the past twenty years or so. Anything especially different now? 18:35:44 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:35:46 defanor: BT Templeton (bipt) is getting closer every GSoC. :P Their upstream repo has an Emacs where Guile is embedded and it's possible to implement a `scheme-eval' that evals Scheme and returns the result as an Elisp datum, but the Elisp engine itself isn't replaced yet. I heard bipt has a local branch that's a bit farther ahead ... 18:35:58 theseb, I use Edwin, and it is essentially a port of GNU Emacs to Scheme. 18:36:36 http://git.hcoop.net/?p=bpt/emacs.git 18:39:10 what a coincidence, guileemacs page at emacswiki was vandalized just today 18:39:35 Who would vandalize the Emacs wiki ... 18:39:50 some emacs wiki vandals 18:39:54 Link spammers? 18:39:57 nope 18:40:02 just swearing in russian 18:44:35 juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #scheme 18:47:44 Riastradh: well, wingo is cranking hard on guile, for what it's worth. 18:49:04 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52:19 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:52:39 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 18:53:52 HG` [~HG@95.154.241.68] has joined #scheme 18:53:56 guile 2.2 is going to be awesome. 18:54:43 davexunit: why, what's going to be there? 18:55:03 defanor: a new VM 18:55:10 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:56:18 aranhoide [~aranhoide@173.Red-79-155-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:59:47 Register instead of stack VM, and CPS IL opening way to more optimization AFAIK. 19:05:25 -!- pnkfelix [~pnkfelix@89.202.203.51] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 19:07:27 huangho [~guest@191.220.227.249] has joined #scheme 19:09:57 -!- HG` [~HG@95.154.241.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:10:21 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 19:11:53 -!- huangho [~guest@191.220.227.249] has quit [Client Quit] 19:13:31 huangho [~guest@191.220.227.249] has joined #scheme 19:18:46 Riastradh: i'm reading your style docs :) 19:22:28 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:25:22 fountain-head [~user@c-1d2de555.026-3-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:26:16 -!- fountain-head is now known as fountainhead 19:26:26 -!- fountainhead is now known as fountain-head 19:28:41 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:32:51 -!- aranhoide [~aranhoide@173.Red-79-155-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34:09 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 19:35:01 add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 19:43:50 juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:30 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:33 flashka [~flashka@193.104.110.104] has joined #scheme 19:44:53 juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #scheme 19:45:31 -!- flashka [~flashka@193.104.110.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:16 bartlebem [~bartlebem@91.210.101.25] has joined #scheme 19:52:37 -!- bartlebem [~bartlebem@91.210.101.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:45 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:49 tsimokha [~tsimokha@193.28.144.180] has joined #scheme 19:58:04 -!- fountain-head [~user@c-1d2de555.026-3-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:06 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 20:00:07 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:52 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 20:04:55 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:14:14 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:01 -!- tsimokha [~tsimokha@193.28.144.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:15:08 bjz_ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 20:15:19 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:57 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Therefore, (string-trim-right "abc " char-whitespace? 4 4) => "" 21:41:24 Sure. 21:42:13 However, the sample implementation when patched to invoke substring/shared with 'start' rather than 0 as its left bound will fail on this. 21:42:40 Sorry, can you be more specific? 21:43:19 You wrote: 21:43:20 So, just to be clear: the right fix is to replace `0' by `start' 21:43:20 in the definition of STRING-TRIM-RIGHT. (Taking the minimum of 21:43:20 the start and (+ 1 i) is also correct but unnecessary, because 21:43:20 STRING-SKIP-RIGHT guarantees (<= start i).) 21:43:28 But where does the guarantee come in? 21:43:37 -!- gutander [~gutander@91.210.101.77] has quit [K-Lined] 21:43:50 Using (min start (+ i 1)) actually does guarantee the right result, whereas you claim it's not necessary. 21:44:03 The above is a counterexample. 21:44:09 Ehhhhh. The routines that return indices return (+ start (f (substring/shared string start end))), not just (f (substring/shared string start end)). 21:45:01 STRING-SKIP-RIGHT won't return an index outside the range you asked about. 21:48:25 That's not the problem. Here's the definition: 21:48:26 So, just to be clear: the right fix is to replace `0' by `start' 21:48:26 in the definition of STRING-TRIM-RIGHT. (Taking the minimum of 21:48:26 the start and (+ 1 i) is also correct but unnecessary, because 21:48:26 STRING-SKIP-RIGHT guarantees (<= start i).) 21:48:28 arrgh 21:48:36 (define (string-trim-right s . criterion+start+end) 21:48:36 (let-optionals* criterion+start+end ((criterion char-set:whitespace) rest) 21:48:36 (let-string-start+end (start end) string-trim-right s rest 21:48:36 (cond ((string-skip-right s criterion start end) => 21:48:38 (lambda (i) (%substring/shared s 0 (+ 1 i)))) 21:48:40 (else ""))))) 21:48:42 It 21:49:30 's that final call to %substring/shared that is broken. 21:49:59 Right. Replace 0 by start. What's the problem? 21:50:11 dropster [~Kim@0x3ec6eb26.inet.dsl.telianet.dk] has joined #scheme 21:51:29 Funny, I could swear I actually saw it fail, but I can't reconstruct the path. 21:52:22 -!- defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:52:29 defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has joined #scheme 21:58:06 Ah yes. I loaded the patched version into Chicken (with `start`) and then the above call crashes; it's invoking %substring/shared with arguments 4 and 3. 22:00:09 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:00:20 Which in turn is because (string-skip-right "abc " char-whitespace? 4 4) => 2 22:00:41 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 22:00:49 how eval all items in a list ? 22:00:58 i.e. multiple expressions instead of just 1? 22:01:37 (apply (lambda (x) (eval x (interaction-environment))) the-list) 22:02:10 theseb: I think you are looking for (begin X Y Z) 22:04:54 rudybot: eval (let ((x 0)) (begin (display x) (set! x 1) x)) 22:04:55 ski: your sandbox is ready 22:04:55 ski: ; Value: 1 22:04:56 ski: ; stdout: "0" 22:05:29 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:05:32 ski: huh? 22:05:58 what ? 22:06:00 bondar [~bondar@41.206.56.134] has joined #scheme 22:06:03 DerGuteMoritz: but begin wants multiple sexps rather than a list of all the sexps 22:06:08 -!- bondar [~bondar@41.206.56.134] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:06:19 theseb : where's this list coming from ? 22:06:31 theseb: so you are talking about EVAL the procedure? 22:06:42 and why are you constructing a list of expressions ? 22:06:59 theseb: maybe you want a macro instead? 22:07:28 rudybot: eval (eval 'eval) 22:07:28 ski: ; Value: # 22:07:59 ski, DerGuteMoritz: I'm trying to implement a for loop in Scheme...see this..http://pastebin.com/eCC2kpvm. 22:08:11 or perhaps you want to pass around a thunk (or possibly a list of thunks) ? 22:08:16 ski, DerGuteMoritz: I don't know what to replace the EVAL-ALL-IN-block stub with 22:08:54 theseb: can you show how you want to use it? 22:08:54 I want to be able to do something like in C/Python/Java...e.g. (for i (2 3 4 5) (set! x (+ x 1))) 22:08:59 theseb, you are trying to write a macro. Don't use EVAL until you understand why not to use it. 22:09:03 theseb: then you need a macro 22:09:12 DerGuteMoritz: ok..i thought so..just wanted to make sure 22:09:42 in most cases where you think you need EVAL you are better off using a macro instead 22:09:51 in my experience, at least ;-) 22:09:58 i guess that applies to the while loop i wanted to do next? 22:10:02 i know macros 22:10:33 macros are replaced BEFORE eval which is nice 22:10:36 -!- weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:11:49 -!- dropster [~Kim@0x3ec6eb26.inet.dsl.telianet.dk] has left #scheme 22:13:15 phipes [~phipes@unaffiliated/phipes] has joined #scheme 22:13:40 -!- phipes [~phipes@unaffiliated/phipes] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:30 theseb : do you want to see one way of defining a macro like that ? 22:16:40 ski: yes! 22:16:52 rudybot: eval (define-syntax for (syntax-rules () ((for ?var () . ?block) (cond)) ((for ?var (?value . ?values) . ?block) (begin (let ((?var ?value)) . ?block) (for ?var ?values . ?block))))) 22:16:53 ski: Done. 22:17:02 rudybot: eval (let ((sum 0)) (for i (2 3 4 5) (set! sum (+ sum i)) (display sum) (newline))) 22:17:02 ski: ; stdout: "2\n5\n9\n14\n" 22:17:20 ski: whoa...my little scheme implementation only knows define-macro....does this translate into that easily? 22:17:34 here each `?value' is an expression 22:17:35 i *love* define-macro because it is soo brainless 22:17:47 i don't have to be a scheme god to understand it 22:18:13 strictly speaking,. define-macro is not Scheme ;-) 22:18:31 rudybot: eval (for i ((+ 1 1) (begin (display "hi !") (newline) (* 2 2))) (display i) (newline)) 22:18:31 ski: ; stdout: "2\nhi !\n4\n" 22:18:35 DerGuteMoritz: not part of R5RS i agree..but it is cool :) 22:18:57 it's not in there (anymore) for a reason, though 22:19:34 it is soo beautiful because it just does a naked replacement of a symbol for a lambda list....yes there are dangers like var capture but the simplicity is compelling 22:19:56 and yes i know about gensym 22:20:24 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:39 theseb : the first rule for `for' is used when we reach the end of the "input list" of expressions. the second rule is used to scrape one expression off the list, handling it, at a time 22:20:43 hm 22:20:46 rudybot: eval (begin) 22:20:47 ski: Done. 22:20:53 actually, let's try 22:21:35 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22:19 Another fun fact....SICP says and and or expressions are special forms due to short circuiting....i preferred Norvig's elegant claim scheme can be implemented with only 6 special forms so i didn't make and/or special forms....i.e. i don't have short circuiting since it would make my eval more complicated fwiw 22:22:24 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #scheme 22:22:47 we'll see how far i get before something implodes 22:22:51 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD626C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:23:20 rudybot: eval (define-syntax-rule (for ?var (?value ...) . ?block) (begin (let ((?var ?value)) . ?block) ...)) 22:23:20 ski: Done. 22:23:40 rudybot: eval (for i (2 3 4 5) (display i) (newline)) 22:23:40 ski: ; stdout: "2\n3\n4\n5\n" 22:23:49 theseb : that's a bit simpler 22:24:02 theseb: well that's not a Scheme then 22:24:07 ski: nice 22:24:15 DerGuteMoritz: it is a slightly incompatible version right 22:24:31 slightly :-) 22:24:41 `and' and `or' can be implemented as macros 22:25:29 theseb : the above rule for `for' translates an invocation of `for' to a sequence of `let's (wrapped inside a `begin') 22:26:05 ski: ooo i need to finish my let macro..i was having trouble with that...thanks...i'll save your good work for future ref 22:26:30 you could use plain `lambda's instead of `let' 22:26:57 ski: yea....let was more of an exercise to make sure i understand how to make tricky macros 22:27:04 (`let' is basically (or can be) a macro that expands to something involving `lambda') 22:28:19 ski: right 22:29:22 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:01 juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #scheme 22:30:21 jcowan: Hi, I seem to remember some Scheme reference implementation that conforms to R6RS and R7RS at once. I thought Chibi or Sagittarius, but doesn't seem so, am I misremembering ? 22:30:49 Sagittarius says so, but I have never been able to get it to build, so I can't evaluate it. 22:31:14 I assume the idea is that it has different libraries and supports both (library ...) and (define-library ...) 22:31:24 Chibi is R5RS/R7RS. 22:31:50 s/evaluate it/evaluate the truth of that 22:32:38 Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. I was specifically wondering about R6RS's usage of | in numeric constants, whereas it quotes symbols in R7RS and is a delimiter. 22:32:44 blah__ [~blargh@bas2-hamilton02-3096598295.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 22:33:36 I suppose the R6RS syntax didn't gain much adoption, so this backwards-incompatibility was ignored .. 22:34:14 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@77.209.224.65.red-acceso.airtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:34:30 R6RS was not a backwards compatibility goal for R7RS-small. 22:37:17 Indeed, R7RS went so far as to make all exponent markers except 'e' optional. There are only a few Schemes that support more than one float width, namely Racket, NexJ, and Kawa. 22:37:45 See http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/FloatPrecision for details, including details on Common Lisps. 22:38:07 -!- defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:38:47 OK 22:39:28 At one point Chibi was going to support immediate single-floats on 64-bit systems, but I think that idea has been abandoned. 22:40:12 (FWIW the | question originally arises from mark_weaver's efforts of implementing R7RS-small for Guile. Hopefully Guile 2.0.10 will support R7RS-small.) 22:40:50 Great! 22:41:18 It should be possible to do both, as an R7RS identifier cannot have a prefix that is a number. 22:45:57 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #scheme 22:50:02 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:52 defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has joined #scheme 22:55:07 I forget what we made |foo|:|bar| do, though. 22:58:40 -!- defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has quit [Quit: giving up on this server] 22:59:25 defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has joined #scheme 23:01:23 Wouldn't that just be `foo', `:', and `bar' ? 23:03:10 Probably. In Common Lisp, though, it's a single symbol 23:03:17 as is |abc|def|ghi| 23:03:34 Oh, interesting. 23:04:43 The reason is that |foo|:|bar| is symbol |bar| in the |foo| package, whereas |foo:bar| is a symbol in the current package. 23:08:21 visualshock [~visualsho@host-37-191-204-89.lynet.no] has joined #scheme 23:22:24 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:47 -!- blah__ [~blargh@bas2-hamilton02-3096598295.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:00 nisstyre [~y@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 23:43:55 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.174.21.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:44:03 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:44:06 oxum [~oxum@122.164.203.225] has joined #scheme 23:44:55 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFF2D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47:39 -!- stevey1 [~stevie@220.245.104.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:14 stevey [~stevie@220.245.104.218] has joined #scheme