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I personaly like petite,but its last update is 2011. 03:29:22 noon 03:29:43 -!- pnkfelix [~pnkfelix@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:24 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:20 zRecursive: It depends on what you want from your Scheme. 03:31:29 -!- stevey [~stevie@220.245.104.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:31:54 rudybot: make me a sandwich 03:31:56 offby1: /sandwich 03:32:02 that's what _I_ want from _my_ scheme. 03:32:08 now if only /sandwich did something. 03:32:47 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:49 stevey [~stevie@220.245.104.218] has joined #scheme 03:34:30 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 03:34:42 Well, /sandwich does something on my IRC client, all right. 03:34:59 Unfortunately it's not "make me a sandwich" 03:35:14 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 03:35:16 $ make me a sandwich 03:35:16 make: *** No rule to make target 'me'. Stop. 03:35:24 $ make love 03:35:28 Not war? 03:35:42 only old people know that one 03:35:45 *jcowan* remembers that from his PDP-8 days 03:36:26 csh: 03:36:32 % got a light? 03:36:36 got: no match 03:36:44 *offby1* slaps forehead 03:36:48 never saw that one. 03:36:51 never used csh much. 03:36:55 *jcowan* either. 03:37:21 I used it with Eunice, because the only alternative was plain Bourne shell then. 03:39:25 % How would you rate his incompetence? 03:39:28 Unmatched ". 03:39:33 arrgh 03:39:33 heh 03:39:40 no, it's "How ... 03:39:45 gotta have that unmatched " 03:40:49 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:41:45 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:43:39 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 03:43:48 jcowan: the one with csh is really funny, can i paste it somewhere else 03:46:03 Sure 03:46:12 I didn't invent it 03:47:57 There's a story that the old port of awk to MS-DOS had an error message "Not enough memory to do jack: terminating" 03:48:23 acarrico1 [~acarrico@hunt-sting-2-164.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:51 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@hunt-sting-2-164.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:49:04 -!- acarrico1 is now known as acarrico 03:51:07 -!- jcowan [~John@earth.ccil.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:49 jcowan_ [~John@earth.ccil.org] has joined #scheme 03:55:16 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 03:56:47 -!- chrisirc [~chrisirc@static.206.51.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:00:19 And then there is the immortal Multics boot error message: HODIE NATUS RADICI FRATER 04:00:39 i.e. "Today is born to the root a brother" 04:01:16 meaning that the root block of the (tree-structured) swap space had non-nil in the left and right pointers 04:07:43 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:11:45 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:11:47 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:12:34 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 04:14:20 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #scheme 04:14:58 hello 04:15:12 is there a function to determine if a string is a substring of another string? 04:15:33 rudybot: t8 en la let he who is without sin cast the first stone 04:15:33 offby1: Qui sine peccato est primus lapis proiectus narrat 04:15:53 noobboob2: if you don't mind getting all non-R5RS, you can use regexp matching 04:16:10 oh yeah i forgot about regexp 04:16:15 can i use it racket though? 04:17:17 sure 04:17:52 rudybot: (regexp-match "needle" "Some haystacks have a needle in them") 04:17:52 offby1: ; Value: '("needle") 04:18:00 rudybot: (regexp-match "frankfurter" "Some haystacks have a needle in them") 04:18:01 offby1: ; Value: #f 04:18:08 rudybot: botsnack 04:18:08 yow! 04:18:10 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 04:18:23 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 04:18:30 rudybot: botslack 04:18:31 ski: ,botslack 04:18:34 noobboob2: You can also use SRFI 13, which is available in many Schemes. 04:19:18 alright thanks 04:22:51 hmm 04:23:03 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:23:05 racket says something about unbound modifier when i try to use string-contains 04:23:15 i guess it's not included? 04:25:41 do (require srfi/13) first 04:26:08 Unfortunately, though there's a lot of portable Scheme code about, loading Scheme libraries is one of the least portable things. 04:26:34 ok 04:36:55 fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:43:25 rudybot: snotback 04:43:25 Yum! 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Did that change in R6RS? 08:26:22 7 introduced it. 08:26:54 I han't even heard of it before then, though I didn't use many Scheme implementations. CL seems to have had it. 08:27:02 hadn't* 08:30:05 I think almost all Scheme implementations I used have supported it since forever (unless I misremember). MIT/GNU Scheme does, I think Scheme48 did too... 08:31:33 Heh, then it's just my ignorance of Scheme implementations, Guile didn't support it until now (r7rs-small support). 08:32:51 taylanub: are we talking about '|foo bar| to enter symbols with spaces etc.? 08:33:40 yes 08:34:27 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 08:35:55 Needn't be quoted of course, (define |answer to everything| 42) is just fine. 08:38:06 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:52 MIT/GNU Scheme has had it forever, I don't have a Scheme48 here. Guile 1 (and 2.0.7) indeed don't seem to support this. I'd thought it was at least in R5RS 08:40:06 But it's very useful for getting case-sensitive symbols :) 08:42:32 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 08:45:16 -!- vicenteH [~user@143.79.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:54:53 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:56:14 Anyone know where R6RS got that numerical syntax from ? 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The only scheme available from my package manager is the 9.0.1 version of mit-scheme. Is this version R5RS compliant? 13:41:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 13:41:29 taylanub: http://lists.r6rs.org/pipermail/r6rs-discuss/2007-June/003049.html 13:41:41 przl_ [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 13:43:34 iron_houzi: mostly, yes 13:44:08 ecraven: mostly? Would it be better to upgrade to 9.1.1 ? 13:44:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:45:12 ecraven: Could you please elaborate on what you're implying when you write "mostly"? 13:45:30 I'm not sure it complies in every detail, however it will work for most (if not all) things 13:46:03 for example, some of the additional functions specified in common SRFIs (language library extensions) are named differently or take their parameters in a different order. 13:46:09 what is your package manager? 13:46:45 MIT/GNU Scheme is a great system, however you might also consider other implementations. Racket (still?) has an R5RS mode that implements only and exactly R5RS. Other Schemes probably do too. 13:47:03 -!- bars0 [~Name@d143-96.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:55:03 ecraven: I'm using slackbuilds. I can probably upgrade to the latest version of mit-scheme, but I didn't quite understand if the latest version is R5RS compliant. 13:56:23 Our course recommends the DrRacket IDE, but I cannot live without Vim. Yes I wish it had a better scripting language, but nothing comes even remotely close to the modal editing powers of Vim ..IMHO 13:57:32 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-74-105-21-221.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:57:35 Uh, it's really nasty that R5RS explains the syntax of numerical constants under chapter 6, "Standard procedures" 13:58:04 ..I'm confused because the course states that we'll be using scheme, but also the DrRacket IDE.. Isn't this implying that we're using Racket, or can DrRacket be set to use Scheme instead of Racket? 13:58:26 One would expect it to be under chapter 4, Expressions, no ? Specifically 4.1, Primitive expression types 13:58:46 iron_houzi: DrRacket can be set to use Scheme, so that may be what your class is doing. 14:00:21 asumu: OK, but in doing so DrRacket can also be set to use R5RS - in that case will it still be using Scheme? 14:00:35 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 14:00:44 Perhaps I need to find another implementation of Scheme that is R5RS compliant? 14:01:00 iron_houzi: if you set DrRacket to R5RS mode, it will accept R5RS Scheme programs, yes. 14:01:29 Also, I only now learn of e.g. 1# = 10.0 O_o 14:01:57 rudybot: 1##/3##+1#/5#i 14:02:01 asumu: your typed/racket sandbox is ready 14:02:01 asumu: ; Value: 0.3333333333333333+0.2i 14:02:02 asumu: ; stdout: "- : Float-Complex\n" 14:02:03 The numerical syntax of Scheme is just totally nuts, I know there's some parts of it I didn't bother to read into, but this one is totally neews to me. 14:02:10 Perhaps I should be asking what R5RS compliant implementation of Scheme I should install if mit-scheme is out of the picture. 14:03:07 ("just totally nuts" isn't necessarily a negative remark, the complexity is likely rooted in the inherent complexity of numeric representation within computers...) 14:03:56 taylanub: I don't think the # syntax is an inherent complexity in numeric representations. More like an obscure syntax that nobody uses. 14:03:57 Does anybody know what R5RS compliant version of Scheme Racket might be using? 14:04:12 iron_houzi: FWIW I gave up on modal editing after using Emacs for some time and realizing that modkey editing isn't worse than modal at all (IMO). 14:04:29 *asumu* uses emacs and still uses modal editing :) 14:04:44 asumu: I have no opinion, just disclaiming that .. 14:05:10 Have to properly look into numeric syntax in Scheme some time. 14:05:14 iron_houzi: Racket + vi should work fine (though I've never used either :) 14:05:49 Sorry. Bringing up Vim in a Lisp related chatroom might be inflamatory. I just need some version of Scheme that is R5RS compliant.. 14:06:00 Pardon me 14:08:46 Are you implying that editor wars ever get old ? :P 14:09:07 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:09:07 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:09:07 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 14:09:28 hehe 14:10:00 iron_houzi: Racket has an R5RS mode specifically, most other nontrivial Scheme implementations support a reasonable part of R5RS such that you should be able to use them for SICP. 14:10:04 Or HtdP. 14:11:15 Are you saying that even though mit-scheme might not be fully R5RS compliant, chances are that I might run into any problems? 14:12:08 You probably won't run into any problems. 14:12:17 Let me ask you all this: The first two weeks are going to be in pure functional programming. Is mit-scheme going to have any R5RS complications with regard to pure functional programming with mit-scheme? 14:12:50 OK. 14:12:53 I'm not an expert on MIT/GNU-Scheme but I'd expect there not to be any problems. 14:13:00 Thanks. 14:13:02 Perhaps Riastradh can give a better answer. 14:13:38 I'll be idling while taking the course. I'll probably come back for more questions. Thanks for the help everybody. 14:13:54 *idling in this channel 14:17:55 No, there won't be any major complications. 14:24:10 bogdan- [~bogdan@89.110.236.83] has joined #scheme 14:24:22 aranhoide [~smuxi@129.Red-83-59-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:25:33 -!- przl_ [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:27 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 14:31:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:13 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #scheme 15:00:28 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD60197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 15:04:23 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD60197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:06:50 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:07:31 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:08:02 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 15:09:55 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 15:14:27 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:27 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:24:24 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-47.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:25:00 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@hunt-sting-2-164.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:45 -!- bogdan- [~bogdan@89.110.236.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:19 weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 15:32:30 -!- ouie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:08 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-47.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:08 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:14 -!- Rodya_ [~trav@c-69-242-48-55.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:09:27 ijp [~user@host217-44-40-115.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:12:24 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:13:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:13:57 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:16:09 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 16:16:50 -!- Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:17:59 tupi [~user@189.60.14.237] has joined #scheme 16:18:19 Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 16:29:43 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 16:30:07 i was looking at the R5RS spec and it was wonderfully tiny.....seems easy to implement a useful scheme 16:30:54 annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:30:54 -!- annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:30:54 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 16:32:55 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 16:37:45 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 16:40:42 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 16:41:40 bogdan_ [~bogdan@89.110.236.83] has joined #scheme 16:41:46 -!- b4283 [~b4283@125-230-252-221.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:44:23 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:54:10 theseb: that's why there are a lot of scheme implementations! :-) 16:55:35 and why so many of them are useful... 16:56:27 -!- bogdan_ [~bogdan@89.110.236.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:49 emphasis on "seems" 16:59:29 even vectors a "just lists" with hacks to access elements faster 16:59:45 so really they are just lists if you don't care about optimization 16:59:53 if i'm not mistaken 17:00:16 such as the list 1## :-) 17:00:25 or the list constructor call/cc 17:01:23 DerGuteMoritz: granted continuations are a different animal..i'm pretending those don't exist atm 17:01:34 DerGuteMoritz: not sure what 1## is 17:01:44 it's a number, honest 17:02:08 rudybot: 1## 17:02:08 ijp: your sandbox is ready 17:02:09 ijp: ; Value: 100.0 17:02:16 a number in base wtf 17:03:05 I don't even remember how the # is supposed to work, which is fine, because I've never seen anyone actually use it 17:03:16 heh, me neither 17:03:22 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 17:03:23 it was gotten rid of in R7RS FWIW 17:03:35 *ijp* doublechecks the r6rs 17:03:57 ijp: The # stand for unknown digits. 17:04:19 theseb: semantically yes. And indeed, you could make a toy implementation where vectors are implemented as lists. But that'd be a toy implementation. Real implementations have O(1) vector-ref/vector-set!. 17:04:27 E.g. 1## is some number between 100 and 199, with a single significant digit. 17:04:47 I don't think I've even seen an implementation treat # as anything but 0, though. 17:05:09 IMO, this is unnecessary complexity. 17:05:36 At least, it's only syntactic complexity, doesn't change the semantics at all. 17:06:52 I don't see it in the r6rs either, so good riddance 17:07:29 ah, interesting! 17:07:53 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has joined #scheme 17:08:56 rudybot: #i1e10@4/5# 17:08:56 ijp: ; Value: 9968017063.026194+799146939.6917269i 17:09:02 numbers! 17:09:41 ogamita: it is amazing what you can do when optimization for the real world is not a concern:) 17:09:44 between and the #, we have a lot of odd syntax 17:09:48 Scheme has such a simple and uniform syntax! 17:09:56 ogamita: remember the prophet D. Knuth said premature optimization was the root of all evil 17:10:32 theseb: definitely. And anyways, you can't insert quickly inside vectors, so they're mostly useless. 17:10:50 ogamita: that makes sense since they are not linked lists....cool..didn't know that 17:11:13 In the current application, Instead of vectors, I use layerd double-linked-lists with ranges. 17:11:13 ogamita: i would assume C has the same problem 17:11:24 Definitely. 17:11:39 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:16:30 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 17:18:43 -!- pnkfelix [~pnkfelix@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1] 17:19:34 mario-go` [~user@email.parenteses.org] has joined #scheme 17:20:53 -!- mario-goulart [~user@email.parenteses.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:21:31 -!- stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:23:05 stamourv [~user@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:23:05 -!- stamourv [~user@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 17:23:05 stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has joined #scheme 17:27:35 Judge_Dredd [~Judge_Dre@ip-95-221-15-13.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #scheme 17:27:58 -!- Judge_Dredd [~Judge_Dre@ip-95-221-15-13.bb.netbynet.ru] has left #scheme 17:30:07 -!- vraid [d91bbc5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.27.188.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:58 -!- mario-go` is now known as mario-goulart 17:39:37 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:41:06 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:41:57 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 17:42:39 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:54 jao [~jao@19.165.14.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 17:45:54 -!- jao [~jao@19.165.14.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Changing host] 17:45:54 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 17:53:12 -!- ogamita [~t@tru75-h02-31-38-72-69.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:56:41 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 17:58:26 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:55 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:49 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.116.186] has joined #scheme 18:05:04 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 18:14:13 I'm using mit-scheme and when I get an error in the REPL, I am asked about some RESTART options. How can I just abort everything and get the prompt back as if nothing had happened? 18:17:41 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD90E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:18:10 taylanub [tub@p4FD93636.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:22:03 -!- edw [~edw@ec2-54-205-172-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:01 edw [~edw@ec2-54-205-172-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 18:24:36 iron_houzi: try Control-g? 18:25:04 http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/ftpdir/scheme-7.4/doc-html/user_4.html 18:25:18 The normal way to get out of an error REPL and back to the top level REPL is to use the C-g interrupt. This is a single-keystroke command executed by holding down the CTRL key and pressing the G key. C-g always terminates whatever is running and returns you to the top level REPL immediately. 18:25:18 thanks! 18:25:30 np 18:31:28 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD60197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:31:50 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 18:36:53 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:47:50 rajeshsr [~rajeshsr@106.51.43.4] has joined #scheme 18:50:15 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:32 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 19:24:58 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #scheme 19:26:56 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 19:34:25 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 19:34:47 is there anything you MUST use macros for? 19:35:05 i.e. can every macro be replaced with a regular function if you life depended on it? 19:35:20 basically macros are syntactic sugar right? 19:35:20 macros are not essential for universal computation, so yes 19:35:37 i'm not saying syntactic sugar is not important...just checking 19:36:53 of course, you'll quickly get tired of writing (if (foo? bar) (lambda () baz) (lambda () quux)) 19:37:22 ijp: i knew a C++ programmer who'd write insanely long macros with the C preprocessor....i guess even in C and C++ you can basically make those languages appear to have new nonstandard functionality 19:37:57 Binding constructs. 19:38:27 Riastradh: what does that mean? 19:38:28 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:38:29 (match xyz (`(FOO (,bar BAZ . ,quux) ,zot) ...)) 19:39:25 Riastradh: yes but you could just as well do (define xyz whatever-you-wish-here) 19:39:39 Riastradh: presumably we already had lambda 19:39:50 Rewrite that with procedures and you might get something like: (match xyz (list (cons '(FOO (,bar BAZ . ,quux) ,zot) (lambda (dict) (let ((bar (cdr (assq 'BAR dict))) (quux (cdr (assq 'QUUX dict))) (zot (cdr (assq 'ZOT dict)))) ...] 19:40:20 Now the bindings are non-local with the interesting part of the notation. 19:40:59 For another exercise, try re-expressing the pattern encapsulated by foof-loop with just procedures. 19:43:52 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:47 Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has joined #scheme 19:59:10 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:59:35 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.116.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:44 Riastradh: if your point is that a macro may have a huge functional equivalent i agree 100% 20:02:28 -!- ijp [~user@host217-44-40-115.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 20:02:48 If that doesn't answer your question, you should specify your definition of `must'. 20:04:08 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:53 -!- karswell [~user@87.113.62.57] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:06:47 karswell [~user@87.113.62.57] has joined #scheme 20:45:39 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:46:34 yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has joined #scheme 20:46:54 wbooze [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-137-22.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:46:59 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:56 -!- wbooze is now known as oleo 20:49:04 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-137-22.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:21 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-137-22.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:53:34 pierpa [~user@95.236.58.43] has joined #scheme 20:58:12 HG` [~HG@185.2.29.205] has joined #scheme 20:58:44 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #scheme 20:58:45 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:02:24 -!- defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:03:07 -!- xnil [~xnil@host-92-4-132-2.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:04:19 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 21:06:17 xnil [~xnil@host-92-4-158-102.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 21:07:59 juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 21:10:51 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 21:13:05 developernotes [~developer@173-29-199-75.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 21:13:50 francogrex [~user@109.128.82.138] has joined #scheme 21:14:11 defanor [~defanor@muffin.uberspace.net] has joined #scheme 21:14:27 guys a scheme implementation of this would be nice: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Machine_code 21:16:22 francogrex: get on it! 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I'd be surprised if that were possible in scheme 22:42:24 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 22:45:09 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@128.120.116.254] has joined #scheme 22:50:31 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:48 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:12 -!- developernotes [~developer@173-29-199-75.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 22:56:55 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:57:26 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 23:00:01 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:28 tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has joined #scheme 23:04:36 -!- xnil [~xnil@host-92-4-158-102.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:37 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 23:06:48 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:59 xnil [~xnil@host-92-4-158-102.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 23:09:59 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:10:23 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 23:11:54 -!- bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:58 bjz_ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 23:13:35 -!- juanfra [~juanfra@unaffiliated/juanfra] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:13:43 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:39 offby1: why not? 23:19:16 juanfra [~juanfra@unaffiliated/juanfra] has joined #scheme 23:19:33 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@129.Red-83-59-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:21:23 juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 23:22:41 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:23:11 juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 23:23:14 -!- HG` [~HG@185.2.29.205] has quit [Quit: HG`] 23:24:08 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 23:27:35 -!- bjz_ [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:51 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:27:58 bjz [~bjz@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 23:39:55 I just assume that many schemes don't have any way to do that. It's certainly not part of R5RS 23:41:07 frx [~a@93-138-50-164.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #scheme 23:44:10 -!- frxx [~a@78-1-133-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:39 juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 23:52:52 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:53:23 juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 23:57:54 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:57:57 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@69.219.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]