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16:54:57 thevishy [~thevishy@122.172.179.208] has joined #scheme 16:55:02 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 16:55:18 how extract "first elements" of all sublists in a list? 16:55:29 e.g. ( (a b) (c d) (e f) ) -> (a c e) 16:55:38 map car ? 16:55:45 ( (a b) (c d) ) -> (a c) 16:55:51 the problem is the number of sublists varies 16:55:56 apply map car 16:56:27 (map car the-list) 16:56:31 LeoNerd: heh....truth be told i'm IMPLEMENTING let and map in my baby scheme interpreter project :).....are there more primitive ways to do it? :) 16:57:03 LeoNerd: seems i have a chicken and egg problem. 16:57:10 oh wait...i could make it a primitive! 16:57:15 theseb: which primitives do you already have? 16:57:20 not all scheme funcs need to be implemented in scheme 16:57:38 DerGuteMoritz: not much,,, +, -, *, /, first, rest, eval 16:57:53 no lambda? 16:58:10 lambda, quote, if, begin, define, 16:58:16 set! 16:58:30 list, prepend, append 16:58:38 that's it 16:58:41 what's prepend? 16:58:44 and you want to implement map? 16:58:51 map and let 16:58:52 yes 16:58:59 for let you need define-syntax 16:59:12 -!- LinearInterpol [~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:59:13 yes..let is a macro 16:59:23 to implement the let macro i need map 16:59:29 so perhaps map must be a primitive in my world 16:59:32 not necessarily 16:59:41 you can implement let with syntax-rules 16:59:44 prepend adds an element to beginning of a list...(my name for it) 16:59:52 DerGuteMoritz: so a macro for map? 17:00:00 so prepend = cons? 17:00:02 yes 17:00:08 theseb: no, a macro for let 17:00:10 map is a function 17:00:28 yes macro for let...but can map be done with the aforementioned funcs? 17:00:43 no, not without define-syntax 17:00:47 (which you didn't list) 17:01:03 so you would have to implement that first 17:01:05 as a primitive 17:03:07 then you could add some low-level syntax transformer like ER as a starting point 17:03:18 that will keep you busy for a bit I guess though :-) 17:03:25 Transformers... Macros in disguise... 17:03:40 heh 17:03:43 decepticons 17:03:49 DerGuteMoritz: sorry...yes i have macro capability 17:03:54 even though i didn't mention 17:03:54 theseb: what kind? 17:04:04 DerGuteMoritz: a very primitive one called define_macro 17:04:21 no hygeine or fancy stuff like that....basically just swaps an expression for another one 17:04:27 no fancy checks 17:04:33 for not blow my toes off 17:04:34 welp 17:04:41 s/for/to 17:04:44 then you can't implement let properly 17:05:09 (also, be aware that names_with_underscores are most un-Schemeish) 17:05:26 indeed 17:07:35 -!- fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:47 fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has joined #scheme 17:10:51 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 17:17:35 theseb: the basic transformation you need is something like (let ((x 1) (y 2)) BODY ...) -> ((lambda (x) (let ((y 2)) BODY ...)) 1) 17:17:58 nah wait that's let* 17:18:33 yeah, let is a bit annoying to do without map 17:18:57 but map is easy to implement as a recursive function 17:19:25 i'm not worried about let....i can do that with a macro once i get map implemented 17:19:34 yep 17:19:35 DerGuteMoritz: how implement map? 17:19:46 that's the one i'm stuck on 17:19:56 theseb: do you know how to recursively process a list? 17:20:08 if not I suggest to read The Little Schemer 17:21:12 no i do not 17:21:15 i know what recursion is however 17:21:27 is there a web page somewhere w/ that? 17:21:33 i'd hate to buy that book just for this one thing 17:21:43 well 17:21:48 I think SICP also covers this 17:21:58 it's availbale for free online 17:22:13 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-186-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:03 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-152-188.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:23:10 i have SICP right here on my desk 17:23:15 what do i look up in index? 17:23:20 thanks btw 17:23:39 excercise 2.27 seems apropos 17:23:47 skim around that one 17:23:54 -!- tiksa 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