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03:49:44 in the repl? 03:50:01 -!- bytbox [~s@pool-96-255-93-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:09 both at the repl, and in a library 03:51:20 in the repl it will bind to whatever was loaded at that point of time, in a program/library it will error as required by the spec 03:52:22 also in the repl, libraries can be redefined, can't recall if that is default or not 03:52:37 leppie: does it error, even in the name isn't used? 03:53:36 ijp: yes, if it was imported and clashes 03:54:05 right, just this was for comparative purposes on #guile 03:54:17 it also depends where it was imported 03:54:27 local imports will shadow 03:54:53 ah, we don't allow that 03:55:00 wbooze [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-159-204.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:10 I think 03:55:25 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-153-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:56:21 -!- wbooze is now known as oleo 03:56:28 iirc it is the same rules as definition at the 'top level' where an imported binding counts as a definition 03:57:00 cool, thanks 03:57:08 np :) 03:57:34 ironscheme should work just like ikarus 03:57:54 bar the library redefine thing I spoke about 04:00:23 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-28.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:04:17 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 04:06:09 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:33 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 04:25:27 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:38:35 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD632EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 04:38:44 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:40:02 -!- leppie [~lolcow@105-236-244-198.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:25 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:40:36 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 04:42:00 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD6193E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44:13 leppie [~lolcow@105-236-92-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:51:38 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 04:53:41 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD632EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:54:33 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD632EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 04:55:27 weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:24 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 05:06:07 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:13:19 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD632EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:20:41 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 05:24:31 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:25:13 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:26:52 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 05:33:43 -!- tsuyoshi [~tsuyoshi@hikaru.yumegakanau.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:34:06 -!- aking [~aking@li455-73.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:34:31 aking [~aking@li455-73.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 05:34:51 -!- tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:38:01 tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 05:39:45 tsuyoshi [~tsuyoshi@hikaru.yumegakanau.org] has joined #scheme 06:14:02 -!- LinearInterpol [~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:23:47 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:27:43 -!- ubii [~ubii@198.45.198.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:18:15 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22:02 -!- ski_ [~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:25:20 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 07:32:42 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I think it's an array. Very important difference. 18:21:33 Its called a list in Python , its pretty much an array 18:21:44 Uh, let me look this up ... 18:22:01 you can do indexing like a[1] for example .... its however mutable i.e you can append it 18:22:29 OK, this is very confusing, apparently Python calls lists what are otherwise almost always called arrays. 18:22:31 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD632EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:22:36 AND in Lisp terminology a list is something different. 18:22:47 correct Python does that , oh rigth so thats the confusion ! 18:22:57 indeed its confusing 18:23:11 In Lisp, you have 1) lists, which are pretty much always implemented as *linked* lists (chain of "pair" objects), and 2) vectors, which are what others call arrays. 18:23:22 #(1 2 3 4) is what is [1,2,3,4] in Python. 18:23:26 oh 18:23:48 chain of par objects as in key and value ? 18:23:54 pair* 18:24:20 No, just a chain like (foo . (bar . (baz . ()))) for (foo bar baz) 18:24:24 ah 18:24:38 Need to look that up then 18:24:44 The (foo . bar) is "pair" syntax, the () is the "empty list" atomic value (not a pair!). 18:24:54 right 18:25:00 A difference being that a Scheme vector is fixed-size whereas a Python list arrayish thing is still resizable 18:25:03 So the fundamental data types in play are "pair" and "empty list", but there's not really a "list" data type. 18:25:28 yeah its resizable , it does allow addition 18:25:34 of elements using append 18:25:47 Ah, one of those common dynlang misfeatures ... /grumpy-troll 18:25:58 :) 18:26:14 Well maybe it can be added to the language with zero penalties, I don't know. 18:26:29 It necessitates a double-indirection of pointers at some stage or other 18:27:11 interesting 18:27:39 If this "some or other stage" is "only when you actually attempt to resize it" then that could be fine I imagine. 18:28:01 I doubt that would work 18:28:28 you mean pointer to a pointer LeoNerd 18:28:44 Well OK, I have no idea really. 18:28:57 ok perhaps 18:28:59 Maybe... 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