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jvm: yes 13:34:01 kuribas: mature and widely used in production. twitter is built with it. 13:35:24 Ok, I see. I'll check it out then! 13:35:52 there's also clojure though 13:36:09 I like programming in scheme, but when I program haskell, I feel more secure about my code, because of the type checker. 13:36:19 if you know haskell, you have a big head start on Scala 13:37:42 vraid: And kawa. 13:40:14 I think clojure is in many ways nicer than Scala -- first, the syntax is (at least superficially) much more familiar to a lisper, second -- I noticed that Scala leads to some ugly spaghetti of object oriented stuff even when you're trying to think string and functional. 13:40:19 strict* 13:40:30 -!- fightback [~nobody@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0059.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: blackbagged] 13:40:34 yes, but type checking can be a factor. :) 13:42:16 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:19 antoszka: What advantages would clojure have to kawa? 13:43:43 kuribas: Popularity and it might be perhaps more suited to someone's programming style. 13:44:15 I'm not experienced in either, so don't take me too seriously here :) 13:45:43 And if you want to do lispy stuff on Android you might also be interested in MOCL. 13:46:08 It's Common Lisp and targets the NDK, so it's taken a completely different route, but might also be interesting. 13:46:25 (plus, it's commercial) 13:48:18 AFAIK, some people have been using chicken on android. It is scheme, has a flow analysis tool which check types and targets the NDK, but has an extension to access java stuff via jni. Check https://github.com/chicken-mobile 13:49:01 checks* 13:50:32 fightback [~nobody@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0059.ethz.ch] has joined #scheme 13:50:40 -!- fightback [~nobody@public-docking-pat-hg-mapped-0059.ethz.ch] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:52:34 -!- ski [~md9slj@129.16.29.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:50 antoszka: I prefer scheme, because I find the language more consistent. But yes, popular languages have better support, and are usually more mature. 14:03:05 (The implementations) 14:04:05 Sure, if you prefer Scheme and, say, chicken compiled to NDK could be the way to then great :) 14:07:10 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 14:08:21 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 14:10:02 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 14:10:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11:02 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 14:11:03 b4283 [~b4283@118.150.134.51] has joined #scheme 14:16:10 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:25 -!- _5kg [~zifeitong@60.191.2.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:32 Isn't the jvm prefered to the NDK? 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So it could (theoretically at least) be much faster than dalvik classes, but then  obviously  less portable. 14:38:15 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 14:38:32 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 14:44:29 -!- vraid [d91bbc5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.27.188.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:46:33 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 14:51:19 defanor_ [~defanor@ppp91-77-187-236.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:51:36 -!- defanor [~defanor@ppp91-77-173-96.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:52:14 -!- defanor_ is now known as defanor 14:57:01 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 15:17:30 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-143-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18:44 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-199-186.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:25:38 20WAALIRB [~ismael@apache2-noxim.yoda.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 15:25:51 -!- 20WAALIRB 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like select by predicate and update by procedure, and do other similar stuff. from scheme. is there any databases or papers on such topic? 19:31:46 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32:17 -!- oxum [~oxum@122.164.44.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:41 oxum [~oxum@122.164.29.172] has joined #scheme 19:37:34 defanor: You may want to look at XML databases, which face similar problems. 19:37:50 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD62033.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:38:10 stamourv: thanks, sounds like a good idea 19:38:10 Haven't looked at that in several years, though, so I don't know what the state of the art is, or even whether it went anywhere. 19:38:55 I remember the available XML databases at the time were memory hogs, and not especially fast. 19:39:14 Reliability was also an issue. 19:40:56 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD62033.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:42:03 -!- oxum 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