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Probably for the best. 00:40:27 why not #lisp? 00:41:03 They will make your head explode 00:41:20 what do you mean? 00:41:21 The first rule of #Lisp Club is that you don't talk about #Scheme Club. 00:44:42 because? 00:45:18 chare: it may cause spontaneous frothing of the mouth, and other beserker-like tendencies 00:45:29 not a pretty sight 00:46:00 why you guys hate each other 00:46:57 it goes back to 1104AD, when olaf the square-parened accidentally snubbed the king of steel bank at a masquerade 00:47:52 there was a brief reconciliation in the 18th century, shortly before the invention of the hygienic macro system 00:49:34 lets you think all of this is fiction, there is no documented proof lispers and schemers were at war in the early 18th century 00:54:22 Some of us are actually the same people, but that's because we hate ourselves. 00:56:31 do you guys think that lisp is too complicated? 00:56:37 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has joined #scheme 00:57:56 I think Common Lisp is too unsystematic and messy, and I think that's a fairly widely held opinion. 01:01:46 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:01:55 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:03:35 jcowan: what makes lisp messy? 01:03:36 -!- xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:00 Scheme underwent a Great Renaming in R2RS, where most procedures were systematically renamed. Common Lisp never did. 01:05:05 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD61493.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:05:05 xenophon [~user@64.124.65.162] has joined #scheme 01:05:33 blockeduser [~blockedus@unaffiliated/blockeduser] has joined #scheme 01:05:34 jcowan examples... 01:07:06 so for example, almost all Scheme predicates now end in ? and destructive procedures end in !. 01:07:41 and thats the only reason for not using lisp? 01:07:57 No, but I can't explain all the issues to you while standing on one foot. 01:08:08 ? and ! are just conventions and they are good, useful ones 01:08:26 OTOH, Scheme has historically been quite small, so most implementations have extended it in inconsistent ways. 01:08:35 As a result, CL is a language, but Scheme is more of a family of languages. 01:09:10 jcowan: and "lisp" (lowercase) is a huge family, arguably including things based on typed lambda calculi (SML, Haskell, etc...) 01:09:49 Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Dylan, yes. Lua, maybe. SML or Haskell, no. 01:10:01 what do you guys think of "PAIP" (norvig's old book about lisp) 01:10:09 s/guys/people/ 01:10:52 jcowan: are you including syntax tree macros as a requirement? (Haskell fits that requirement) 01:11:07 arguably homoiconicity is irrelevant anyway 01:11:44 cosmez_ [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has joined #scheme 01:11:45 Pure has them too, but Pure is more of a Lisp than Haskell is. 01:12:09 lispness is not welldefined 01:12:24 nisstyre: haskellers wouldn't want to be lispers anyway 01:12:29 Well, I guess Haskell is less lispy in that it doesn't encourage runtime magic 01:12:37 "Game" is not a well-defined idea either 01:12:42 ijp: I'm a Haskeller who loves Scheme 01:12:52 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:13:02 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:13:04 you occasionally see someone amused by the line that calls haskell a member of the lisp family in "the haskell road to maths, logic, blah" (i forget the actual name) 01:13:29 I know Oleg does lots of stuff in both Scheme and Haskell too 01:13:52 haskell the dog is touring complete 01:14:07 blockeduser: It's a wonderful book. As Norvig says it's rather outdated on the AI bits, but still a great Lisp (common lisp) tutorial. 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