00:05:47 hi 00:06:03 I want to learn SICP 2nd with emacs. What would be a good choice? 00:06:11 MIT scheme? 00:06:18 Racket with SICP module? 00:07:33 either is fine 00:08:08 ijp : Does MIT scheme draw shapes like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drracket.png ? 00:08:59 I don't know 00:09:08 crocket: Emacs is no Scheme 00:09:24 Emacs as in Elisp 00:09:25 z0d, emacs is just an environment for running scheme processes. 00:09:36 ah, ok 00:09:51 z0d, emacs can run Racket, guile, and MIT scheme. 00:09:53 I know that there used to be support for the SICP picture language in MIT scheme, in which one could probably write a sierpinski triangle, but it has bitrotted for all I know 00:10:16 SICP doesn't dwell on it for too long though 00:10:19 ijp, What is the SICP picture language? 00:10:36 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:10:39 Do you mean picture API? 00:10:48 it's a library of functions they use in a particular section of chapter 2 00:10:55 only section 2 00:11:04 yes 00:11:08 *ASau* wonders what emacs _cannot_ run... 00:11:10 Am I fine with any scheme implementation outside section 2? 00:11:46 there may be a few incompatibilities here and there, I haven't really memorized them 00:12:35 ijp : Do you remember that there were incompatibilities? 00:12:56 pffffft 00:13:49 I can remember one, I think, in the "concurrency" part of chapter 3 00:14:11 if you run into trouble, just ask, it'll likely be a really short tweak 00:14:46 much less than dealing with a few modules covered in real world haskell ;-) 00:19:52 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:30:15 -!- fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:41:26 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:42:26 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 00:43:57 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:18 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #scheme 00:44:18 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 00:44:18 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 00:48:06 ijp : What about haskell modules? 00:48:35 It seems even MIT scheme won't be completely compatible with SICP 2nd since it's been about two decades. 00:48:38 there have been a number of changes to some of the ones mentioned in the book Real World Haskell 00:48:54 like, the regexp library, and the way exceptions are handled 00:49:12 ijp : So the book is outdated. 00:49:53 the point was, that's a regularly recommended book over on #haskell, and SICP has less incompatibilies than it 00:50:06 joneshf-laptop_ [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 00:50:48 ijp : Can I execute a Racket statement "#lang slideshow" in emacs? 00:50:59 Or should I just stick to DrRacket? 00:51:14 -!- joneshf-laptop_ [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:16 that is not a statement, it's a specification of which language the racket file in the module uses 00:51:32 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:51:44 ijp : racket is a language. 00:51:52 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 00:51:53 Why does it provide languages? 00:52:21 a number of reasons, but they aren't really relevant here 00:53:06 you can certainly use racket successfully from emacs, and I imagine using geiser with it is as pleasant as it is with guile 00:53:35 try it, try drracket, make up your own mind 00:58:22 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:01:11 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 01:02:15 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:43 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 01:13:39 ijp : thanks 01:14:30 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:30 hmm 01:19:47 ijp : Is "How to Design Program" a better material than SICP? 01:20:17 I can't say for sure, as I haven't read it 01:21:49 inferring from "how to design classes" which was intended as a followup to HTDP, the approach they take seems very suitable for teaching to new programmers 01:23:12 hmm??? 01:23:45 mostly I can just speculate 01:25:23 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-214-157.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:00 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:35:44 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:40 ijp : It seems HTDP would be superior to SICP since HTDP is built on top of SICP's mistakes. 01:41:35 which is very much a matter of opinion 01:42:22 crocket: if you want to use HTDP, go ahead. you have my blessing. if you want to use SICP, likewise. 01:52:11 ijp : I'm so disappointed that the management in my company thinks they can control employees' tendency to care only about their surroundings(localism). 01:52:27 That mindset is called "Theory Z teamism". 01:53:19 the management focuses on localism and some requirement specification process but ignores programming. 01:53:47 As an organization that sells programs, it's not acceptable. 01:54:21 My manager demands that I get along well with other workers. 01:54:29 He doesn't demand that I become a great programmer in time. 01:56:04 Theory Z teamism is a global phenomenon. 02:11:26 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:12:02 ASau` [~user@p54AFE89A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 02:15:40 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D5C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:21:14 -!- sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:21:49 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:23:20 -!- robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:05 man 02:25:10 I'm out!! 02:25:11 -!- crocket [~crocket@unaffiliated/crocket] has left #scheme 02:25:54 eli: That makes sense. I'll ijp implement the matching stuff, and I'll continue the conversion to syntax-rules/syntax-case in Guile core. (Obviously there's nothing I can do about third-party extensions.) 02:26:02 *I'll let ijp 02:26:15 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:29:23 sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #scheme 02:31:39 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:55 -!- dkordic [~danilo@178-221-113-73.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:55:43 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:55:43 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:55:43 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 02:57:25 sometimes I wish we had special syntax for the pattern ,@(if foo? (list bar) '()) 02:59:21 ijp: What's the use case for that? Optionals? 02:59:29 yes 02:59:57 I'd create an optional struct, then create a macro for just that. 03:01:17 rudybot: (define (test baz?) `(foo bar ,@(if baz? (list 'quux) '()) zot)) 03:01:17 ijp: Done. 03:01:29 rudybot: (test #t) 03:01:31 ijp: ; Value: '(foo bar quux zot) 03:01:31 rudybot: (test #f) 03:01:32 ijp: ; Value: '(foo bar zot) 03:02:32 Do you have a more concrete example? My spidey senses say XY problem. 03:03:16 the concrete example was a macro propagating docstrings 03:03:36 In Guile, a docstring of #f means no docstring. 03:03:43 So a simple "and" will do the trick. 03:03:57 it bailed when I had an internal define 03:04:35 Hmmm. 03:04:57 ,expand (lambda (x) #f (define baz quux) (frob baz) baz) 03:05:08 While executing meta-command: ERROR: Syntax error: blah blah blah 03:05:11 Got it. 03:05:53 guile makes heavy use of that pattern in the command line parsing code too FWIW 03:06:13 though I can't claim that code is anywhere near our best 03:06:15 :-( 03:07:35 the correct thing is to fix guile so that ^^ works, but the correct thing has to wait till I finish the macro I'm writing 03:08:14 -!- sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:09:41 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:10:07 DoctorDude [~Jake@unaffiliated/doctordude] has joined #scheme 03:16:29 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:19:14 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-183-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:21:55 -!- DoctorDude [~Jake@unaffiliated/doctordude] has left #scheme 03:25:04 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:31:17 -!- ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 03:31:33 crocket [~crocket@unaffiliated/crocket] has joined #scheme 03:31:34 hi guys 03:36:02 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-183-13.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:58:56 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:58 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:11:18 gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:12:38 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-zcznwzyyrpffiner] has joined #scheme 04:18:50 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 04:24:46 cky: What I'm saying is that you don't need to deal with 3rd party code -- but you get more of it to Just Work. 04:32:28 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-zcznwzyyrpffiner] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:51:22 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:52:37 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 05:04:13 fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:05:33 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 05:08:07 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:21:49 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 05:23:14 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:35:51 -!- crocket [~crocket@unaffiliated/crocket] has left #scheme 05:50:12 -!- gzg` [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:53:48 -!- kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 05:57:13 -!- robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:30 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:11:22 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:17:06 -!- robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:24:24 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.6.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25:25 chare [322f530e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.47.83.14] has joined #scheme 06:25:35 why does this give #f: (atom? 'a) 06:30:55 -!- Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:45:45 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #scheme 06:45:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 06:45:45 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 06:49:37 -!- chare [322f530e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.47.83.14] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:57:58 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:14:24 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 07:50:58 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-22-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 08:07:53 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:09:56 rudybot: (atom? 'a) 08:09:57 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 08:09:58 defanor: your sandbox is ready 08:09:58 defanor: error: atom?: undefined; cannot reference an identifier before its definition in module: 'program 08:10:05 ouch 08:10:12 gives #t for me 08:10:37 probably depends on imlementation, not sure 08:13:46 defanor_ [~defanor@ppp91-77-173-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:16:45 -!- defanor [~defanor@ppp91-77-178-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:31:54 xwl [~user@182.48.101.22] has joined #scheme 08:39:17 adiii [~adityavit@c-50-136-206-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:56:29 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:45 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:05:03 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-50-136-206-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:04 Oejet [~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet] has joined #scheme 10:37:30 add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 10:39:17 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 10:55:50 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 11:00:22 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:09:46 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-46-198.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 11:10:28 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 11:18:04 -!- AkashicLegend [~AkashicLe@CPE18593398c726-CM18593398c723.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: AkashicLegend] 11:20:04 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 11:25:14 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 11:26:26 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:26:52 -!- xwl [~user@182.48.101.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:17 defanor_: There's no `atom?' in standard Scheme. Those who support it usually just implement it as (not (pair? x)). Note that this means that e.g. even a vector is considered an "atom" even though it consists of other objects, hence it's not a very meaningful predicate. 11:45:13 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 11:47:07 pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has joined #scheme 11:47:20 hello? 11:47:46 hi 11:49:40 -!- pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:51 pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has joined #scheme 12:04:35 -!- _46bit is now known as _46dip 12:13:16 -!- crodjer [~crodjer@unaffiliated/crodjer] has left #scheme 12:14:52 pimgeek : do you have a question ? 12:15:27 hi, ski, do you come here for learning sth new? 12:16:16 mayhaps 12:16:44 i'm currently learning to use Emacs 12:17:24 ok 12:19:41 -!- pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has left #scheme 12:19:49 pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has joined #scheme 12:20:13 thanks for your suggestion! :) 12:20:55 pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:21:32 -!- pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has left #scheme 12:23:21 edw [~edw@cpe-67-250-41-96.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:24:32 *ski* suggested joining #emacs 12:27:49 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has left #scheme 12:27:53 pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:28:45 add^_` [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 12:28:56 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:07 -!- add^_` is now known as add^_ 12:54:59 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD635B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 13:02:39 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:09:40 HG` [~HG@79.142.73.48] has joined #scheme 13:17:32 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:32 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:44 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD635B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:30:16 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD635B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 13:34:09 -!- mneo [~user@109.175.89.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:52 regarding my eval woes yesterday, http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/11/02/scheme-quiz-time 13:50:21 -!- fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:33 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD635B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:00 ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 14:06:00 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:33 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 14:22:56 -!- shivani [uid11848@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fatcgqohwagqwtcc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:57 -!- stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubusyhsqedpftkyk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:57 -!- pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dkucvxioratqnzik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:08 tupi [~user@189.60.6.94] has joined #scheme 14:25:39 wingo, yeah, this is why using LETREC for non-lambda expressions is usually a bad idea. Also, yes: you can't implement application that way; you have to store the arguments on, e.g., the stack, and then transfer them into a heap environment after they're evaluated (if you want a heap environment, which may not be necessary). 14:26:00 (Also, here was my solution: (define (discriminate test) (let* ((c0 #f) (c1 #f) (v (test (lambda (n) (cond ((zero? n) (cwcc (lambda (c) (set! c0 c) 0))) (c1 (c1 0)) (else n)))))) (cwcc (lambda (c) (set! c1 c) (c0 'HACK))) (if (eqv? (vector-ref v 0) 'HACK) 1 2)))) 14:28:39 On the subject of heap environments: I would consider it a bug, actually, if you used argument vectors verbatim for heap closure environments. This is not required by any standard, but it is essential for space safety in practice. 14:29:00 E.g., if I do: (let ((v (make-vector (expt 2 40))) (r (make-vector 4))) (generate-a-lot-of-data v) (compress-it v r) (lambda (i) (vector-ref r i))), that closure had better not be hanging onto a teraword of memory! 14:29:25 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 14:29:44 (MIT Scheme's interpreter has this bug, but not the compiler.) 14:30:17 -!- Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:31:47 -!- bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:32 bitwize [~bitwize@c-98-216-250-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:43:27 Riastradh: right, same thing in guile -- the evaluator holds onto the whole env, but the compiler is more precise 14:43:41 could get more precise in various ways; working on it... 14:49:23 shivani [uid11848@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kiyizypubaurlmzc] has joined #scheme 14:49:48 pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tinxesjhmadtobdf] has joined #scheme 14:51:09 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:30 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 14:53:44 stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpdnnrxfbkltvith] has joined #scheme 14:55:27 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 15:04:15 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 15:13:14 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 15:14:50 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 15:22:52 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 15:23:45 -!- HG` [~HG@79.142.73.48] has quit [Quit: HG`] 15:24:50 b4283 [~b4283@118.150.141.110] has joined #scheme 15:29:46 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:37 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:34:38 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:34:38 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 15:36:26 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 15:39:48 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:40:36 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-183-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:11 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-133-50.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:53:30 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 15:59:02 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:06:43 -!- EmmyTheBee is now known as em 16:07:44 Fare [~fare@cpe-72-229-109-116.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:08:42 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:17:13 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20:34 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:29:28 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:25 is there any Scheme that has bindings to a 3d graphics engine (like Ogre 3D, irrlicht, lightfeather, or many others?) 16:32:13 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #scheme 16:33:15 ecraven: I suspect this isn't what you meant, but racket has some sorta 3d-rendering thing built in. I don't know if it will let you, for example, render the Utah Teapot; but it will make some nice graphs fairly easily 16:33:43 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 16:33:47 take a look at http://docs.racket-lang.org/plot/index.html 16:33:56 "On television, plot is everything" -- Alfred Hitchcock 16:36:05 Probably more relevant: http://docs.racket-lang.org/sgl/ 16:38:55 who'd'a thunk 16:40:17 pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has joined #scheme 16:42:14 HG` [~HG@31.205.59.111] has joined #scheme 16:44:27 thanks 17:09:43 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 17:18:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22:09 -!- pimgeek [~user@125.34.15.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:24 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-46-198.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:29:19 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-106-77.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 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